Kash Patel SUES The Atlantic, D4vd Arrested, and Katy Perry Allegations, with MK True Crime Hosts, Plus Terrible CA Dems | Ep. 1302

26:43Frank, I would say that the governor has made efforts. We've seen him come down to Los Angeles, actually go out and try to clean some of the streets. On effort, I would give him an A. Oh, my God. Everyone gets a trophy. On effort. I mean, what is that might be even worse? At least if he hadn't tried, you could be like, well, he has different priorities. And if we could get him focused on the right priorities, he would know what he's doing. That's not what he said. He's like, he tried super hard. He's just totally incompetent. He's completely ineffectual and doesn't know how to do things, get things done.

27:19I mean, it's almost worse. But I mean, what, you know, as you know, I'm not afraid to swear, but I really don't like the P word. But if I were to use it, I'd be using it about Javier Becerra right there. What a P word. Just say it. He sucks. He stunk up the joint. California's a mess, especially on this issue. Own some piece of it. So you've got just a modicum of respectability with the voters listening to you. All right, but we've got to end this back on Team Sanity again with Steve Hilton explaining what's really going on. Watch. Mr. Hilton, you've given the governor an F on his overall performance.

27:58When it comes to homelessness, has he done anything right? You have 60 seconds. My goodness, of course it's an F. It shames our state, the situation with homelessness. We have about 10 percent of the U.S. population, around 50 percent of the country's homeless population. And as for Javier praising Gavin Newsom for the photo op where he tried to pretend he was cleaning up a homeless encampment. Literally, Gavin Newsom did that three times in a row. Nothing changed and nothing will change if you have one of these Democrats in power. It will be more of the same. Steve, you're doing great. Keep going.

28:35Keep going. And Hilton even had a great answer on why Californians should like that he was endorsed by President Trump. The moderator knew exactly where to go to. Why is that a good thing? California, everybody hates him. And watch how he handled it. Mr. Hilton, you said you were deeply honored to recently receive President Trump's endorsement. That's despite the fact that 62 percent of Californians disapprove of the job he is doing. Are those Californians wrong? You have 60 seconds. One of the proudest days of my life was the day I became an American citizen. It happened in a ceremony right here in San Francisco.

29:16So it is a deep honor for me to be endorsed by the President of the United States. And here's the thing that's going to help every Californian when I'm governor, is that we will have a constructive relationship and partnership with the federal government, which would be the case, I would hope, for any party in that situation, so that we can make things better in California, work with the president and his administration. It will benefit every Californian to have a governor who is a partner on these issues with the president and his team. So good, right? So good. The president's endorsement will help Steve, with the 40%, 39, of Californians who are Republicans, long-suffering Republicans.

30:10And with the others, which still make up the majority, you know, the 60-plus percent, he's telegraphing, the reason I was proud of it is because I'm proud to be an American, and it's a wonderful thing to have a president endorse you. That was a very clever way of explaining why he's so happy to have the endorsement. It's no wonder he still leads in the RCP average of all polls in this race. The June 2nd primary, you know, is now not far away, but the early voting is like a week away. So this thing's heating up. So just so we're clear, Steve Hilton still leading, thrilled it would be a miracle and so great for California if they would just elect him.

30:49Please, please, my friends in California. And by the way, our show has a ton of viewers in California. We can see where our viewers are. And I know you're out there and I know you're listening and you do have to make sure you vote. It's like not the national election, but this one actually does matter. You have a shot. He's leading. If you can keep him, and God love you, if you could keep Chad Bianco also in the top two, then you're guaranteed Republican rule, which would be great for you guys. Great. In any event, pay attention. Please vote. And if we can't have both Republicans in the final runoff, please consider get out of the fucking shot because she, she may be angry, but she's entertaining.

31:35And if any one of these Democrats is going to ruin California even more, let's be honest, we might as well go with the entertaining one. All right. Up next, Kelly's court is resuming. It's back in session and we've got some great cases. My gosh, there's a lot going on. Here's a question for you. How many brokers does it take to insure your business? If you're like most business owners, the answer is too many. Multiple policies, multiple applications, and no clear view of how it all fits together. And when questions come up, it's not easy to get the clarity you need at all. No one's there for you.

32:10But SuperSure changes that. A one-stop shop for all of your business insurance, backed by a team that works with you year-round, not just at renewal. You are not a burden to them. They will take care of you. They want you to be happy. And if you've ever stared at a policy wondering what it actually covers, SuperSure has a fine print fax tool that translates the legal jargon into plain English so you know what's covered and what's not. It's not some shell game that they seem to be enjoying playing at your expense. Right now, you can go to supersure.com and get a full report on your current policies with no obligation.

32:49Find out if you're overinsured, underinsured, or somewhere in between. Go to supersure.com. One super agency, one powerful platform, all your policies in one place. Imagine it. Go to supersure.com slash Megan today. That's supersure.com slash Megan paid for by Supersure Insurance Agency, LLC, a licensed insurance agency. What's up sports fans? I'm Rachel Demita here to tell you about my show Courtside Club. If you love hoops and hot takes, then you're in the right place. Want to hear about Caitlin Clark's unstoppable rise in the WNBA? How stars like Wemby and Luka Doncic are dominating the NBA?

33:26Or maybe you just want the tea on this week's most viral sports moments. Don't worry, we'll keep you updated on all of it. So grab your popcorn and come hang with us. Courtside. You can listen to Courtside Club wherever you get your podcasts. Uwe and ah.

34:06We were made for this.

34:15Now it's time for Kelly's Court with our favorites from the MK True Crime channel. That's a podcast that you should go subscribe to called MK True Crime. And we've got some other options coming up your way because everybody loves true crime. On the docket today, Kash Patel versus The Atlantic, the sexual assault allegations against pop star Katy Perry, and whether we should be suspicious of one sailor's quick return to the U.S. while the search continues for his wife in the Bahamas. First in the lineup today, Mark Eiglarsh and Janice Bilboer, hosts of Positively Legal, which is one of our new shows that we are officially launching on MK True Crime.

34:53You will see it in your podcast feed. Well, you should Google it. Guys, welcome. Great to be here, Megan. Thank you for having us. Congrats on Positively Legal. I love the name. and it describes you perfectly. We're going to have a lot of fun. We're going to have a lot of fun. It's going to be unique. I promise her. I ain't doing it. Yeah, you definitely know Mark picked that name, Megan. That wasn't my name, but we are going to have a lot of fun. Mark is like the only lawyer we know who's like, choose happiness. The rest of us are like, what? When misery is okay for the New Yorkers. Yeah, go ahead.

35:29Enjoy your life. It's true. He's exposed to all that Florida sunshine, which made him happy. All right. So we've been, I mentioned this to the audience the other day when we announced the new shows on MK True Crime, that you guys are Kelly's court, Kendall's court, OGs, back when my name was Megan Kendall at Fox. And so every iteration of whatever show I've had, you guys have been coming on. We've been doing crime analysis and legal analysis. And that takes me back to 2018 when I was on NBC. And Mark, you came to me and said, I've got this unbelievable story involving my client who went over to Spain as a student and something terrible happened to her and not just her.

36:13But we need to get the word out because this is happening over and over and they can't really get the story out. So I'm going to play the trailer for what has now become a Netflix special involving your client. We did have her on. We'll show a little of that. But do you want to just set up like the story and like how it first came here's what people don't know the only reason why i met gabby vega the victim in this case is because her mother was my kid's teacher at a school here in fort lauderdale so she came to me and i'm like well i defend people who do this stuff i don't really represent victims but you know what i'm gonna see what i can do for you.

36:55And she wanted to get the word out. I said, are you sure? Absolutely. And Megan, we made a list. You were the top of the list at the time. And I figured, what are the odds that Megan's going to have us on? When you said yes, I got goosebumps. I was so excited because I knew things would change for her. At a minimum, the word would get out. This guy would be exposed. But something far greater happened. And that's where the Netflix documentary explains what happened. So Gabby comes on, I'm going to show that in a minute, but she comes on my show and she talked about how she was an exchange student or she, she, she went over to Spain, Spain to study.

37:37And she finds herself in the clutches of this tour guide. And this tour guide wanted to be much, much more than her guide around Spain. She talks in this, in the following clip, This is from, not from our show, but from the Netflix show called Predator of Seville, describing herself waking up and finding Manuel. Well, I'll let her tell it here. This is SOT 27. I just remember, like, I woke up at some point and no one was in the room and I felt like shit. I had never felt that way in my life. I have not felt that way in my life since.

38:24Like, it was almost like there was, like, a disconnect between my mind and my body, where it was, like, my brain was working on such a slow level. Here and I just remember, like, leaning up against the wall and, like, dragging my feet one in front of the other to, like, get to the bathroom. I went to go open the bathroom door, and when I opened it... Nicole and Ashley and Manuel were all in the shower, the three of them. they were in their shirts and underwear and he was in his underwear i remember i closed the door they all came out like scurried out it almost looks like they were like all embarrassed kind of and so i just went in and i sat on the toilet and i was facing the door and all i remember

39:14it's like the thing that's haunted me for years it's like that memory of just like the door swinging open and seeing his crotch come towards me and then him putting himself in my mouth and then me getting hit in the like head and then i just like blacked out oh my gosh it's so disturbing so she she had gone over there mark as to study abroad like so many of us do in college. And she did the thing. I've done this as a tourist, not as a student, but where you're in Spain and then you just pop down to Morocco. And this is her tour guide. Who's like now suddenly in her room at night, wanting to play games with her and other girls.

39:53And the next thing she knows, there's a serious possibility. She was given a drug and she was sexually assaulted by this man whose name is Manuel. Um, I'll get the last name. You probably have it. Bella Vega. Yeah, he's got... Vela, yeah. Bella Vega or something. Manuel Vela. So here's the trailer for the Netflix special, The Predator of Seville, which without Mark Eiglarsch would never have happened. Watch this. When I moved to Spain to study, I was an 18-year-old kid. I studied abroad in Sevilla. Sevilla. Sevilla. I really loved it. It was like an adventure. I was really excited by the whole thing and thinking about all the trips.

40:38Discover Excursions was recommended and they emphasized safety. The main tour guide seemed like a nice guy. He was handsome. He knew everyone. A playful personality. The last night of the trip, he was like, oh, well, I can get champagne and we can all hang out in the room. I started getting really tired. I woke up the next morning. That's when I realized what had happened. The embassy said you shouldn't talk to anyone about this. Second he told me no, I was like, that's exactly what I'm going to do. I started building an investigation. The story just kept getting bigger. I went on the Today Show.

41:14I had no idea what I was involved in. You feel like you were in the room with the devil. So, Mark, what were the legal challenges for her in getting this thing to a criminal trial? I was speaking to her today, actually. She told me that they were not very interested in Spain. They were not going to do anything. And contrary to what you said before you played the clip, it wasn't me, Megan. It was you. Had you not given her that format to show the world that, she said, unlocked the government folks over there because they care way too much about tourism and they didn't like the way that this looked.

41:53That's what did it. You did it, Megan. And also, there's a beautiful part where she gives you credit where she was freaking out. And I remember those moments and I tried to calm her down. But you going over to her and saying, you're going to be fine. You got this meant the world to her. And she delivered her version of what occurred with courage and dignity and intelligence and passion. And that really opened the floodgates. well thank you for saying that but i'm thrilled these women found the courage to come forward because it wasn't just gabby as it turns out there were others jonna as we've seen in so many of these cases when one brave woman finds the courage to speak out all these other young girls who you know they he was a tour guide they weren't expecting to get molested by this man sexually assaulted by this man but one after the other they started to come out so you tell me like whether you think the Spanish government did the right thing here or whether they had to be dragged kicking and screaming just based on the fear of tourism losses.

42:55Yeah, I think it is the latter because we have all seen this movie, for lack of a better word, time and time again. Seasoned predators always have a plan, right? This guy did not just wake up one day and decide that Gabby was going to be his first victim. So first of all, kudos to her because God only knows how many other women she saved by having the wherewithal to come out, come on your previous show and save so many other people from this particular fate. And when you watch, like I watched the first episode of the documentary and of course we see some signs the way they depicted it. Like for example, he should not, no tour guide should ever go to some young girl's hotel room to wanna play games in his underwear.

43:42Number one, red flag. Number two, apparently they show him pouring some champagne. He came with champagne. She doesn't, Gabby doesn't have much of a memory of what happened. It's very, very foggy. So, of course, there's a possibility that he drugged her, part of being the predator. So I applaud her very much. I don't know with Spain, how Spain takes sexual predators or sexual offenders or what they intend to do. But then I did hear, even after he was convicted, he's out for now, at least while the case is on appeal. So they're not taking it as seriously as we do here in the United States. And that's shameful.

44:17Yeah, let me add something. He did get convicted. Yeah, I mean, that's that's the other happy ending here is that he they did ultimately bring charges. She testified and he was found guilty. And so that's happened. But as you point out, not yet in prison. So a couple of things. One, Gabby has agreed to come on to our first episode for an in-depth interview, not only about the documentary, what didn't make it into the documentary, but importantly, what happened after the documentary? Because I was getting a bunch of emails from new victims that I was forwarding to Gabby. There's now more than 10 victims who have come forward.

44:56Some people who weren't necessarily victims, but people were like, wait, now I recognize him. He's my landlord over in Spain. He's still having contact with young women. So us doing the show and us doing it on our show, Positively Legal, which airs on Wednesday for our first inaugural show, we're going to get into the weeds with her. And she's going to tell you, amongst other things, that it was the prosecutors who said it was OK for him to remain out on bond while he goes through his appeals. The prosecutors agreed to that, Megan. Unbelievable. Well, some of the women came on that same show that we did on NBC because, you know, she started to realize something had happened to her.

45:39The word went out a bit on this, not a good tour company. This is not a good guy. So these young women, and this was just, just like as the, the Me Too movement was, you know, has, had just come underway. So I think women were starting to realize there was power and safety in numbers. But two other girls came on, Haley McAleese and Carly Van Austinbridge. And here's a bit of that from our interview on NBC in April of 2018. Watch this. It's out 36. We went to his room and realized we were the only people there. And he was like, we're just going to wait for everyone else to show up. And very quickly, he started being very sexual and asking really personal questions and wanted us to dance for him.

46:21And she did like this you know like a dumb dance like to cut the sexual tension yeah this isn't like we've all been there yeah um and then he was like no you need to do like a sexy dance on top of me and that's when i was like all right no we're leaving and at that point he took us and like pushed us against the counter and tried to like hold us and make us dance the way he wanted us to dance um and we obviously didn't want to so we weren't making that easy for him and then he ended up he was like you guys can't leave and I was like no we're leaving and he held me against the wall and started kissing me and then grabbed her hand and made her touch him um and eventually I like pushed through and got out of like his out of where he was um and I was like no like we're leaving but he wouldn't let go of her and she went and opened the door and she told Manuel the door is open everyone can hear what you're doing and only then did he let me go and then I ran out after her hmm manuel blanco vela but here's the question mark is there any liability so this is criminal charges we're talking about is there any liability for the tour company or anybody beyond that the school anybody who failed to protect these girls well i know that there was an investigation into the schools for example my client went to if you press me i'll say it but a very well-known well respected florida state school and that's how she picked this company that's how most of the girls did the discover excursions marketed these specific universities and targeted them and the university seemed to recommend them as vendors and there's there's some argument that they knew that funny stuff was going on and continued to recommend them as vendors and so unfortunately it's very difficult to prevail in the civil arena and i don't think anyone's had to pay a nickel So what's going to happen to this guy now that he's why is he out?

48:13He's just out pending sentence. Correct. It's all the way up to the highest court in the land in Spain. In fact, Gabby said, wow, from a Megyn Kelly appearance to now this case being in the highest court in Spain. She was very impressed and also grateful to the other two women who came forward on your show, who technically were also my clients. But when I called on my clients was me just being a mentor and a sounding board to help them get through this whole thing. That's really what I did. But, yeah, there's possibly more charges going to be brought against him in Spain. Gabby, you'll learn in our interview, is working actively to make sure that that happens.

48:54Wow. It's crazy, John, when you think about this guy who had access to a bunch of 20, 21-year-olds, you know, college students. They're young, 19, studying abroad, one of the most exciting experiences in their young lives. Your tour guide might slip you a mickey and sexually not just harass, but assault you. When I interviewed Gabby, I remember this moment, we pulled it. She didn't know that she'd been in the bathroom with Vela for a half an hour because she believed she was drugged. This is the moment. Here, watch this, Thought 33. Gabrielle spoke with her friends in the morning and asked if they remembered anything from the night before.

49:38One told her Gabrielle had been in the bathroom with Vela for half an hour. It's difficult talking about it just because I've talked to a lot of girls now who have dealt with this at his hands, and I could have done something, and I couldn't. Oh, so now it's like, that's an important thing to see because you see her feeling like really great about the result, you know, and she's feeling more cocky as that happens to a lot of women when they find their voices. But that is all born out of like a deep, deep, unsettling pain that being sexually assaulted against your will, especially while under a drug, possibly, can do to a young woman.

50:22Oh, absolutely. And a lot of these women, probably for a period of time, if not forever, feel, I believe, that somehow, someway, they're the ones who screwed up, that somehow they're to blame. And we have to let women in their position know that, no, you're not to blame, right? The world is supposed to be a nice place. You're not supposed to get molested by your tour guide. You're not supposed to get molested by anybody, especially somebody who tries to eliminate resistance by secretly drugging you. And this guy, you know, you have to think about it. He didn't just meet these women by becoming their tour guide.

50:59I'm sure you have to fill out your name, rank and serial number when you apply to be on this tour. He could have targeted them before they ever, ever met him in real life like this. This type of predator plans this out, executed it perfectly. And if Spain doesn't do better and put this guy behind bars so that other people do not also get hurt by anybody who's got the same idea, then shame on them. Yeah. Then they're going to get some more Megyn Kelly show treatment. The whole situation reminds me of the, forgive me, but like the perverted Boy Scout leader who goes and works at the Boy Scouts because he wants to molest boys.

51:37Like they insert themselves into certain circles where they know there'll be, the victim pool will be plentiful. And it's no accident this guy was offering tours to college co-eds, which was obviously the exact target group he wanted to get. Guys, thank you both so much. Positively Legal is available on the MK True Crime YouTube channel and podcast feed. Go subscribe and you won't miss Gabby's interview on their debut show next week. If your dog is scratching more than usual, licking their paws or shaking their head, it might seem like normal dog behavior, but it turns out those can actually be signs that your dog has allergies.

52:15And a lot of those issues start in the gut. When a dog's gut health is off, it shows up in their skin, digestion, even their energy levels. But here's an option for you. Better Wild Allergy Relief Soft Chews. They're designed to help balance your dog's gut health to support their immune system. This is the first and only chew with ancestral advantage wolf probiotics in it with natural ingredients. Okay. Better Wild says this is proven to help reduce itching and support gut, immune, and skin health. Plus, Better Wild uses clinically studied, veterinarian-approved ingredients. Consider giving it a try.

52:51Right now, Better Wild is offering you up to 40 % off your order at betterwild.com slash mk. That's betterwild.com slash mk for up to 40 % off your order, betterwild.com slash mk.

53:08Katie Perry, now under investigation by police in Australia after claims by Ruby Rose, who's an actress, that the singer sexually assaulted her in an Australian nightclub nearly 20 years ago. According to TMZ, Perry would not be shielded by any statute of limitations in Australia if police do indeed find evidence of a crime. A spokesperson for the Office of Public Prosecution in Victoria telling TMZ, quote, there is no statute of limitations on prosecuting indictable serious crimes in Victoria. The law at the time of the alleged offense was committed applies to criminal proceedings and sentencing for historical offenses.

53:47Here to weigh in is Dave Ehrenberg, Phil Holloway, and Ashley Merchant. They're all lawyers and hosts of the MK True Crime show. Go and subscribe at mktruecrime.com. So just to be clear for our listening audience, you got Mark and Jonna, they've got a show. You got my three friends here, they've got a show. And then you're going to have Matt Murphy and Mark Garagos, who also have a show, as part of the MK True Crime podcast feed and YouTube channel. So you don't have to subscribe to three different shows. Just go to your podcast, you know, search button, type in MK True Crime and hit subscribe.

54:21And then you can listen to all or any of their programs, whichever one you're in the mood for, whatever time of day it is, will determine which one's available. So it's all going to be on the same feed, just in case you didn't understand, because it's the way I said it before, I think was unclear. Okay, guys, welcome. Great to see you all. And congrats on the launch of the new show. Thanks. We're excited. Great to be here. Thank you. Yeah, me too. Okay, let's kick it off with Katy Perry. So this is kind of a wacky story where I didn't know this Ruby Rose. She's stunning. She, I guess, was in Orange is the New Black.

54:55And she's claiming 20 years ago that she was at this nightclub in Australia, and she's Australian, with Katy Perry. And that, I mean, it's graphic, but I talked about it with Katy Perry's ex-husband yesterday, that Katy Perry went over to Ruby Rose, whose head was on the lap of a friend. Sounds like she was not feeling well, she'd been over-served. And that Katy Perry allegedly pulled her own underwear aside and rubbed her vag on Ruby Rose's face. It wasn't even just like an exposure. It was a touching, which in any world would be sexual assault, assuming it's unwanted, right? And Ruby Rose is saying it was 100 % unwanted.

55:36And then adds another detail, which I have to say, I don't know. She then claims that she then threw up on Katy Perry. So disgusted was she. Now it's starting to sound a little unbelievable to me. I don't know, but she was drunk. So it's possible she threw up because she said she was over served. So now she's telling the story. I don't know why now. Katy Perry posted a comment under a Justin Bieber meme or post about his appearance at Coachella. And Katy Perry posted something online. And this Ruby Rose saw it and didn't, she just had a negative reaction to it. And the next thing you know, she's telling this story and has dredged up this whole thing saying, you basically, you assaulted me.

56:24I'm not going to file a police report, but you know, you did it. And Katy Perry's team came out and said, no, no, she didn't. She didn't do it. You're a liar. You accuse people all the time and they always deny it. And she was like, girl, it's on. And now she did file a criminal complaint and Katy Perry's being investigated. And Ruby Rose in the original statement, Ashley had said she has some sort of proof. I don't know what the proof exactly is. So what do you make of where we are and how we got here? I feel like they're going to get into a mud wrestling pit and like fight it out. Like that's what we have here.

56:59It's like, you were a hoe, you did this 20 years ago, but you did this. I mean, it's just crazy to me that this is happening. But so what we've got really is 20 years ago, she was apparently at this nightclub. This is one thing I want to pay attention to. She says, Ruby Rose says she was in her best friend's lap when this happened. So I'm really curious what this best friend says, because if her best friend saw her being sexually assaulted, she's vulnerable, she's on her lap, and she sees this happen, she's going to say something. I mean, that doesn't make any sense why she wouldn't say anything.

57:25So I'm really curious what her story is. And also the nightclub, I think it was the manager or the owner, they talked to him, and I know it's been 20 years, but he didn't see anything. I mean, if you see Katy Perry literally take her vagina out in a public place and rub it on a drunk lady's face, someone's going to see that. Like, someone's going to see that, right? And someone - Take it out. Like, it's not normal. Like a set of keys. And just rub it around. Like, this is not normal activity. Someone's going to say something. So I don't know. 20 years later, I'm just not thinking that it's going to get very far.

57:55But it's definitely hurting Katy Perry. I mean, now we've got other people, you know, talking about, hey, she molested me. She did this stuff to me. But Ruby Rose has a history of saying that other people have sexually assaulted her and just throwing it out. You know, hey, I was raped by a ton of men on the set. She said of her last program, you know, when she left it, she said, I was sick of being raped by all these men on my show, but she didn't make any allegations. So I don't know, something's really fishy here, Megan. Here's the manager, the club manager statement. It was a place called Spice Market.

58:27He's spoken out about the wild night, saying as follows, quote, they were drunk. They were not paralytic or anything, just like any other person drinking at a nightclub, he told the Herald Sun. He claimed he did not see any alleged sexual assault take place or any vomiting, referring to Rose's allegations that she threw up when this happened to her. Ruby Rose is now saying that she's finalized all her police reports. She also does seem to say, though, that she's got proof, Phil, that she's got she's got I think she suggested she might have photos and maybe even contemporaneous notes and a witness.

59:08Hold on. She says. So after it, I threw up on her. I told the story publicly, but changed it to be a funny little drunk story because I didn't know how else to handle it. So I kept it a secret. But she says she's more than welcome to sue me if this is not true, but she won't because it happened. I have photos and it was literally in public and witnessed by multiple people. Plus, there's so much more that happened in the years leading up to her silly song that she won't want me discussing. The psychological manipulation was strong with that one. Okay, so your thoughts on her alleged proof and how she can make this case?

59:47Well, Megan, maybe she's got a hotline. 1-800-IF-Y-P-A-D-Y-P-A-R-Y's Lady Parks call this number. You know, I tell you, this whole thing on its face, it doesn't have the ring of believability to me. I'm sorry, it just doesn't. I understand that sexual assault is a terrible thing, and nobody's denying that, but another thing is terrible. It's also terrible to falsely accuse somebody of it, and this person has a history of it. Look, we've got to start with the fact that she's drunk, admittedly drunk. And when you're drunk, you're unable to perceive things accurately when they occur, and you're unable to oftentimes recall them accurately later when you're called upon to recall them.

1:00:31and she's admitted that she was so and she threw up which suggests to me maybe that's more about the amount and quantity of the alcohol because even the manager there says that they were under the influence so maybe that has something to do with the fact that she threw up if she did in fact do so and then you have prior inconsistent statements now the things where she's claimed misconduct against other third parties you know it's going to be very hard to prove or disprove those because like this one, it's going to come down to being a swearing match. But setting aside the fact that she's probably made false claims against other people and is a drama queen, you have a situation here where this woman has made false or prior inconsistent statements.

1:01:14And in the law, that is something that cuts directly to a witness's credibility. And you add to that, guys, the fact that a witness, this manager, remembers it and cannot corroborate any other details other than that they were there and they were drinking. You put all that together, and what you've got is a big ball of nothing. You got probably a false claim, certainly one that's not able to be substantiated to the point of making any kind of claim in court, even a civil claim, in my view. I mean, you definitely, the girl whose lap was holding Ruby Rose is critical. you know you're right Ashley that that girl's gonna remember you don't forget if Katy Perry you know take takes out her badge as you put it and rubs it on your friend's face right in front of you which I don't even know how you do as a woman like what do you do you still gotta get straddled you gotta like hold on let me whip my leg right it's so weird to me like it's just so odd and then she's throwing up like it's just the whole thing seems bizarre and now someone has a camera during all of this I mean they're taking photos of it like it makes no sense right right It seems like those photos would have leaked by now.

1:02:25Think about how much those are worth. Dave raises an interesting, or Phil raises an interesting point, Dave, on prior inconsistent statements, because even Ruby Rose is saying, after I threw up on her, I told the story publicly, but changed it to be a, quote, funny little drunk story because I didn't know how else to handle it. Later, she agreed to help me get my U.S. visa, so I kept it a secret. but I did tell y 'all she wasn't a good person. I was in my early twenties. I'm now 40. It's taken almost two decades to say this publicly. And she's talking about how she's grateful she's found her voice and so on.

1:03:03But she appears to be stealing herself for on-camera statements in which she's already told this story, Dave, in a way that, yeah, it certainly sounds like it's not gonna be. I was sexually assaulted and I threw up in disgust at her. Right. And Megan, it's good to be back on with you and my co-hosts, Phil and Ashley. And this one is a tough one because both sides here have a rap sheet because both of them have made accusations or have been accused of things that will harm their credibility. The accuser here has alleged that others have raped her, and it doesn't look like there was any corroboration there.

1:03:42And here, Katy Perry also has been accused of sexual assault in 2019 from this actor, Josh Kloss, who starred in her video and said that she bullied him and pulled his pants down and exposed his genitals to others. I mean, what's going on in Hollywood, right? I mean, this is like these accusations of her to go up to people. Also, there's a female TV host in Georgia who reportedly accused Katy Perry of harassing her that same year. And then there's video of Katy Perry grabbing Justin Bieber's butt and looking into the camera and saying, sorry, Selena. We have that. Right? So you have... Wait, we have that.

1:04:18Yeah, okay. Yeah. Hold on. Let me show that video with Bieber, and then I'll let you finish your point. That's Sot 39.

1:04:34She's hugging Bieber. She reaches down. She definitely grabs his ass and her hand stays there for a long time. She's a lot older than he is. Poor Bieber. He's been, like, poor Bieber. He's been through a lot. Keep going, Dave. Wow. He did well for himself, though. I mean, he married well. I know, but he's, like, clearly so damaged now from, obviously, his time with Usher and Diddy. This is my own supposition. I don't have proof, but it seems pretty clear. It's just, like, everybody abused Justin Bieber, like, on camera, on late night shows. And you can see he's, like, walking around laboring under this.

1:05:10That's my belief. But anyway, keep going, Dave. Well, this all feeds into a narrative that Katy Perry just thinks that she has the privilege to grab people's butts and pull people's pants down and perhaps put her vag in someone's face at a party. I can't believe I said that. I went to law school. I went to seven years of schooling. Come on and talk about that. That's really unbelievable. I mean, we've talked about some crazy stuff on our show, but this is crazy. I mean, it was coming at you like a freight train, Ehrenberg. Right. We can see it. Is he going to do it? Is he going to say it? So true.

1:05:47I wonder what Justin Trudeau is thinking about all this right now. But the thing is, is that to prove a case, to prove a case in the United States, it would be a non-starter. I mean, this is a she said, she said, and the witnesses are not favorable for the plaintiff here, for the accuser. But you can maybe do something more in Australia, which has no statute of limitations. And maybe they have looser rules of evidence and a lower burden than we have here. But in this in this country, this case would go nowhere. Well, look at this one, too. Here's Anna Kendrick in 2014, sitting down with Conan O 'Brien with her own Katy Perry story.

1:06:22Watch. It was a crazy night. I've never been around so many. Katy Perry finger banged my cleavage. It was a weird night. She's very mature. She just does that. She just does that. I mean, I was kind of asking for it. If I if nobody does, I would have been a little. Paint the scene. So you're standing still and Katy Perry walks by and... I have met her before and, yeah, she's like... That's her thing. Yeah, you know, she's aggressive. I like it. Okay. Okay, so that is creepy. I mean, like, so they don't know each other. She's saying, Ashley, that she just walked by her and stuck her fingers down her dress, feeling her boobs up.

1:07:03We see her grabbing Justin Bieber's bottom and like lingering for a long time. She did write and become famous singing a song, I Kissed a Girl and I Liked It. Oh yeah. So there's, it's obvious, you know, she's got some sort of a penchant that way. And now you got this gal coming forward saying, you know, I didn't talk about it for a long time because I was young and I'm going to be honest, she helped me out. I needed a visa. So I kept my mouth shut, but F her, I'm older now. Like I actually, I'm not sure she is lying. I'm not sure she is either, but this is really going to be a credibility issue because even though we're not sure she's lying, we're also not sure she's telling the truth.

1:07:41And, you know, I'm interested to see what this other evidence is, maybe some pictures, something like that. But what we really have is we have - Or the friend. Yeah. Well, I mean, the friend would be really key, but why'd the friend keep quiet all these years? It's what doesn't make any sense. And all these people - I mean, if you're not famous and your girlfriend is Ruby Rose and she's got this allegation against Katy Perry and Ruby Rose is like, don't tell anybody, she helped me get my visa. You would keep your mouth shut. Can I ask a question real quick of all the three of you? Who among us here can tell the world sort of with any specificity who we might have been hanging out with at a bar or a nightclub 20 years ago?

1:08:18Who might remember a damn thing that happened? I mean, I feel like if I were there with Katy Perry, I'd probably remember that. I'd remember that. I went to a bar with Kid Rock one time. I remember that pretty vividly. I don't remember all the other bar times. The drinking, definitely. The drinking. Who could vouch for you and could be witnesses. That's the thing. It's like you may remember being there with a celebrity or a star, but as far as everything else, those details, I can't remember sometimes what I had for breakfast the same day because things get so busy. Go back 20 years and, I mean, who knows?

1:08:51But that's why reputation matters. Perry's badge was not at your breakfast table. You'd remember that. As far as I know, that's true. You would remember that. I'm thinking. I mean, I shouldn't presume. I don't like Phil's led a big life. I Mardi Gras. I don't know. I can't I'm blushing. Can't leave this segment behind without letting you hear Russell Brand's reaction. He was on the show yesterday to this allegation against his ex-wife. They were married for two years. And listen, listen to this. 38. I must say, I feel a good deal of sympathy with the recent allegations around Katie. she's been accused of 2000 sexually assaulting ruby rose by allegedly like exposing her vag to this gal's face uh which she's denied but there's a criminal inquiry underway in australia as a read about that allegations to me that doesn't i mean this is probably the old school man in me i don't i don't even hear the crime there what happened i don't even i can't even hear where it is like someone have to poke me with a stick there that's the bit there's a crime no no 20 year old girl wants another woman rubbing her badge on her face uninvited.

1:09:57That's the crime. There it is, Russell. I got it. I got you. Are you available for the trial? The puck is coming. Yes, I will come. Well, if the jurors feel as Russell feels, that could work out very well for Katy Perry. Again, she denies all of this. All right, let's keep going. Cash Patel has filed a defamation lawsuit now in response against the Atlantic because he's very angry about this hit piece they dropped on him on Friday. It was authored by Sarah Fitzpatrick, who's formerly of NBC, who's the one who brought us the Julie Swetnick allegations against Brett Kavanaugh, the most bullshit allegations of the bullshit allegations, the most bullshitty of all.

1:10:46So not great when it comes to the track record. But now here she writes for The Atlantic. And it's a deep dive on Cash basically allegedly being a drunk. Like he's drunk here. He's drunk there. He's drunk at the office place. He gets drunk at the clubs. One time he was so drunk and passed out and nonresponsive, they talked about breaching his door with the FBI ramming thing. And Cash, and like they've had to move meetings that were supposed to be in the morning back to the afternoon because he's hungover. And he says, literally all of that is bullshit. It is all made up. These are all lies. You were told by me that these were lies before you publish this.

1:11:27You gave me two hours to respond to this in-depth piece, right? It's multiple pages just as you print it out, which wasn't sufficient time because, you know, in his defense, maybe if you really want to deal with the Atlantic, you find a witness who's like, that's not true. You can find somebody to vouch for you. You put him in touch with The Atlantic, even on background, to say, like, these are lies. No. And now he's actually filed a lawsuit in federal court in D.C. saying, screw these guys, Dave. This is defamation, and I'm going to fight back. So what do you make of it? Does he have a case? Well, it's a very Trumpian move to do that.

1:12:01Trump did that against The Wall Street Journal when they wrote about the birthday card to Jeffrey Epstein. And the problem for Cass Patel is that as a public figure— He got thrown out. Right. That's correct. He got thrown out. And I think that in this case, it's not going to even go that far, because I do think that Kash Patel, regardless of what the underlying facts here, probably does not want to go through the discovery process. Because if you sue someone for defamation, you open yourself up to a deposition and discovery about your drinking. And one thing we saw, the chugging of the beers at the U.S.

1:12:35Olympic ceremony when they were backstage, when they were getting the gold medal for the hockey team. And so when he was asked at a press conference, they asked him, is this true? And he said he sort of evaded the question about whether he drinks too much. And I just wonder if he really wants to undergo this type of scrutiny. And if you continue with this lawsuit, not only do you open yourself up to discovery, but you have to show that the other side acted with what's called actual malice. And that's because Kash Patel is a public figure. It's not just a typical defamation lawsuit. You've got to prove defamation plus, which is that they intended to just destroy you, that they knew what the facts were, and they went ahead anyways because they had actual malice.

1:13:16It's a high standard, and I just don't think this lawsuit is going to have much in the term of legs. Yeah. So they either you have to prove they knew it was false or they recklessly disregarded the matter of whether it was true or false. They didn't give a shit, basically. It was like, I want to publish this and I'm going to publish it. Here's Kash Patel denying the allegations on Tuesday, SOT 20. I do want to give you an opportunity to respond directly to the allegations in the Atlantic article that your unexplained absences created a national security risk. And beyond that, can you say definitively that you have not been intoxicated or absent during your tenure as FBI director?

1:13:59I can say unequivocally that I never listen to the fake news mafia. And as when they get louder, it just means I'm doing my job. This FBI director has been on the job twice as many days as every director before me. What that means is I've taken half as many days off as those before me. What that means is I've taken a third less vacation than those before me. I'm like an everyday American who loves his country, loves the sport of hockey, and champions my friends when they raise a gold medal and invite me in to celebrate. I've never been intoxicated on the job, and that is why we filed a$250 million defamation lawsuit.

1:14:36and any one of you that wants to participate, bring it on. I'll see you in court. Okay, Phil. So I like cash. I know cash, not incredibly well, but somewhat. My own personal take is this is definitely going to be dismissed. I don't see it going anywhere because when you zero in on what she alleges in the piece, even though I don't have any respect for this author, it's things like this. His drinking has become a source of concern among government officials. She cites sources who worry his behavior has become a threat to public safety. I'm sure there are plenty of people within the FBI who can't stand him, who did speak to the Atlantic to say, he sucks, he's drunk, he's a threat to public safety.

1:15:22And that's all she really needs to prove. So I tell you what, I think that Dave did an excellent job in setting out for a lot of the legal reasons why you're correct, Megan, this was not really going to go anywhere. his lawsuit. And look, for defamation, he's got to prove that it's a false statement of fact. And as the judge who threw this case out pointed out, a lot of this might be rhetorical hyperbole. And, you know, that - Wait, he didn't throw this case out. There was a different judge who threw out Trump's lawsuit against the Wall Street Journal. And Cash had a separate defamation lawsuit against a different guy who raised the issue of his drinking, which also just got thrown out on the paper.

1:16:01So the administration is not doing that great on getting defamation. Yeah. So rhetorical hyperbole and statements of opinion, things like that do not rise to the level of defamation. But what what he might have, and this is, you know, I guess we have a longer discussion on this. He might have other claims like false light and things of that nature that that might survive. But in in in general, he's going to have a very tough time. But I tell you what we can do. Those of us here, the MK True Crime Show, the three of us here, Ashley, Dave, and I, along with our colleagues from the other two new shows that are dropping next week, we're going to be in Las Vegas at the end of May at CrimeCon.

1:16:40So what we will do is I volunteer that we're going to go to the Poodle Room out in Las Vegas because Director Patel says that it's false where he was claimed to, he said it's also known that he's known to drink excess at the Poodle Room in Las Vegas where he spends parts of his weekend. So we're going to go out there, Megan, and just for you, we're going to personally investigate, and we're going to see if he's there, and we'll report back. And also I expect drinking to excess, just so you can see what that's like and whether you remember it. You can't judge something unless you're familiar with it.

1:17:12Exactly, exactly. It's method. You guys are method. You know how they're method actors. You're method lawyers in doing your legal analysis. Here's one thing I will say is in his favor. He's not going to enjoy this process at all. He probably is hoping that it gets thrown out on a 12B6 motion, which is a motion to dismiss before you've had to exchange any discovery, any papers with each other. And it probably will get thrown out on a 12B6. But he's probably hoping it will because if it doesn't get thrown out on a motion to dismiss, they're going to be able to say, give us all your receipts for every bottle of wine you've had over the past year and a half since you took this office.

1:17:47Give us every single receipt or credit card statement. when you charge drinks at the poodle room, this place Ned's in D.C. that they allege he goes to. We're going to depose witnesses who have seen you there. We're going to talk to your girlfriend about the level that you've drunk. We're going to actually start subpoenaing bartenders and figuring out just how drunk you were. Like, it's not going to go well for him because he's a drinker. There's nothing wrong with being a drinker. They're trying to paint something else, but just the whole process will be a humiliation, Ashley. It is. But I do want to say one other thing.

1:18:21one thing that's good for him is that they only give him two hours to respond. Because generally, when it comes to that, like giving somebody time to respond, unless you need to get the story on the air, you know, like they need to hit print on this, you know, like we've got a scoop that they're about to launch an attack on Turkey and it's going to happen tonight. It's sundown, you know, and it's noon. Then you would say you've got two hours to respond. Like I'm not holding my story, you know, because they can't hijack your story, by saying, I need 24 hours. No. But like, there was no rush to get, he drinks too much.

1:18:57And they had to use a ramming, you know, mechanism one time or thought about doing that. There was no rush. And what that is potentially evidence of is actual malice against him. Right. That's the best fact, Megan. I mean, the fact that they did that, that they only give him two hours, that is probably his best fact. But honestly, I think both of these people, they've gotten what they wanted out. You know, the purpose is already served with both of them. She got her story out. People now are thinking, oh, well, he's a drunk, you know, we already kind of knew that, but there's some extra sources.

1:19:24So they're just, you know, that's validity for what people may have already thought because of the other stories. But Cash also served his purpose. He's filed a lawsuit. It's probably going to get dismissed on the 12b-6, probably, but it serves his purpose. He said it in that press interview, you know, if you come after me, I'm going to come after you. And you can't make that statement and then not follow through. So he sort of had to file a lawsuit. And I think it also serves a purpose of warning other people, hey, you know, watch out, be careful, do your job, be a little more careful, especially smaller groups.

1:19:53You know, maybe don't do this because you can't defend against a defamation suit. So I think the lawsuit has probably already served its purpose. He probably knows it's going to be dismissed. I'm not sure that he's really worried about the money that he's seeking. I think he's trying to curb this from happening again. And that's probably, you know, the end result of all of this. This is a manipulation of the narrative that he's trying for here. I don't think it was necessary. Like, we all know, Cash, that they're going to do a hit piece after hit piece. said, like, no one listens to The Atlantic.

1:20:22I've had so many hit pieces done on me over the past year. Who gives a shit? They've done absolutely nothing to me. Our people, the reasonable people, and I include you in that Dave Ehrenberg, even though you're a lefty. Centrist. They don't listen to this. Like, yeah, centrist. Centrist. Sorry. I was just saying, like, no one cares. Like, stop. Who cares? Don't waste your time and energy. One other fact in Kash's defense is the original title of this piece was Kash Patel's erratic behavior could cost him his job. But at some point, the Atlantic stealthily edited it to the FBI director is MIA.

1:21:01They didn't note the change. They didn't apologize for what they clearly believed, I think, was an erroneous headline, right? That he's been erratic and that his job is in danger. Just that clearly they they're no longer standing behind at least parts of that. So that's not good for them, that piece of it. And I will say the other lawsuit that got dismissed was by a Houston federal judge. He had sued for defamation and MS Now contributor, Frank Figluzzi, over his claim that cash was in nightclubs far more than he has been at the FBI headquarters. And that judge, to your point, Phil, said that statement is, quote, rhetorical hyperbole that cannot constitute defamation.

1:21:45So he's failed to state a claim. So we'll see whether this, too, is rhetorical hyperbole or just not defamation, because she does have sources who say the terrible things about cash and, you know, who've seen him drinking here or there. We'll see. We'll find out. And in the meantime, you can get much, much more of our pals hosting the MK True True Crime Show on the MK True Crime Podcast by going and subscribing. Great to see you all. Good to see you. Thanks for having us. Great to be here. It's super fun because they sit around, they talk about the legal news of the day. And there's always so much of it.

1:22:18I mean, we don't always get to cover it, but there's so many juicy cases and you hear three actual trial lawyers, criminal lawyers, talking about why did they do this? What was the highlight when we get all the news feeds? So if there's video, you see it. It's a super fun channel to watch. And you're talking to the best of the best right there. Okay. Speaking of that, we have two more of them coming up next. Mark Garagos, Matt Murphy. Don't miss them. Let's be honest. America can still be a dangerous place and you cannot afford to wait for help. Sure. You could use a firearm, but in today's America, defending yourself with deadly force could have legal consequences.

1:22:54According to FBI data, 99.99 % of all altercations do not require lethal force. And that's exactly why so many turn to Burna. Burna is proudly American, hand-assembled in Fort Wayne, Indiana. These less lethal self-defense launchers are trusted by hundreds of government agencies, law enforcement departments, and private security companies, not to mention our family. Over 600 ,000 Burna pistols have been sold, most to private citizens who refuse to be victims. Wouldn't you like more options in your arsenal, depending on the danger that comes your way? Burna launchers fire rock-hard kinetic rounds and powerful tear gas and pepper projectiles capable of stopping a threat from up to 60 feet away.

1:23:38No background checks, no waiting periods, and Burna can ship straight to your door. Take responsibility and protect your future. Visit Burna.com right now or your local sportsman's warehouse. That's B-Y-R-N-A.com or your local sportsman's warehouse. Visit now and be prepared to defend. Sirius XM is home to the best in podcasts, including Jeff Lewis and all his moods. I'm sorry if I'm coming off as an asshole. I just want people to do their jobs. Listen to my podcast. Jeff Lewis has issues to find out exactly what's going wrong in my life. Spoiler. There's a lot. I don't need therapy. I don't need a prayer service.

1:24:15I need the fucking facts. Yes, I'm a pain in the ass, which is why I tip really fucking well. Pour a drink and listen up. It's me, Jeff Lewis. I have issues. Listen to Jeff Lewis has issues wherever you get your podcasts. I am not going to apologize. To realize the future America needs, we understand what's needed from us. To face each threat head on. We've earned our place in the fight for our nation's future. We are Marines. We were made for this. Hey everyone, it's me, Megan Kelly. I've got some exciting news. I now have my very own channel on Sirius XM. It's called the Megyn Kelly Channel, and it is where you will hear the truth unfiltered, with no agenda, and no apologies.

1:24:57Along with the Megyn Kelly Show, you're going to hear from people like Mark Halperin, Link Lauren, Maureen Callahan, Emily Jashinsky, Jesse Kelly, Real Clear Politics, and many more. It's bold, no BS news, only on the Megyn Kelly Channel, Sirius XM 111, and on the Sirius XM app.

1:25:18David Burke, better known as the singer David, it's spelled D4, the numeral 4, VD, has pleaded not guilty to a first-degree murder charge in the death of a 14-year-old girl who authorities say was found dismembered in the trunk of his Tesla. Additional charges against David include continuous sexual acts, lewd and lascivious sexual acts with an individual under 14 years old and mutilating the human remains of a body, according to the DA. David will remain in custody without bail. And in a disturbing new development, he appeared in court for a status hearing today where the prosecutors revealed they searched his phone and allegedly found a quote, quote, significant amount of child sexual abuse material, according to TMZ.

1:26:08Joining me now to discuss this and other cases are the hosts of In the Well. That's the third of our new MK True Crime shows. Mark Garagos and Matt Murphy, In the Well, launches next week, and it's very easy to find. It is right there on the MK True Crime YouTube channel and MK True Crime podcast feed. type in MK True Crime in YouTube or in your search bar of your podcast feed, and you will find these guys. Their show is called In the Well, your one-stop shop for the best true crime content anywhere. Mark, Matt, welcome back. So this is big. They finally arrested this guy. We've been waiting for it since her body was in the trunk of his car.

1:26:50But Matt, up until now, they hadn't been able to link him to the crime, at least not in a way that they felt was sufficient for charges to be brought. Do we know what changed? Well, what they did is they conducted an investigative grand jury, Megan, which is really interesting. Mark and I were talking a little bit about this yesterday. Essentially, there's two functions for a grand jury. One, you can seek an indictment. The other is you can actually use grand jury subpoenas to bring in reluctant witnesses that don't want to speak to the police and essentially force immunity on them and make them talk.

1:27:22And Mark knows the DA involved in this. I don't know her, but apparently she's a heavy hitter, according to Mark. And they've been working this case up for a long time. This is advanced prosecutorial work. And yeah, and they apparently have put together this case. The complaint itself tells quite a story with lying in wait and the stabbing and killing a witness and it makes it appear as if they've got the they got the goods here to show um that he killed her because he was engaged in a sexual relationship with her they knew each other or began seeing each other when she was only 13 years old um which is 288 under the california penal code and it all kind of fits i know mark has some different theories on it um mark mark probably has a better inside track on the case than i do but this is very very interesting and he's in um kind of an understatement.

1:28:15He's in a lot of trouble. He's 21 currently. So by any measure, you know, having sexual relations with a 13 year old would be illegal. So yeah, that's the alleged motive. But what we, what we last heard, Mark, was it was April 23rd, 2025, that he invited her to his home in the Hollywood Hills. Celeste was her name, Celeste Rivas. And she arrived there. She was never seen again. But then on September of 2025, that's when her remains were found in the trunk of a car that was registered to him. And so we kind of knew that they were having an affair. That's that there wasn't like proof positive of it.

1:28:54But it seemed very clear from their little videos together. They were definitely friends. They were with a lot with each other a lot. But, you know, getting from that to he's the one who put her in the trunk of that car is that's that's where cases are made or fall apart. Well, Matt's right as usual about a lot of things. And in this case, he's right about the fact that the DA involved Beth Silverman is a, to say she's tenacious is an understatement. I think, though, that there is a lot more going on here. And let me kind of set the stage for it, because I don't know that I've ever seen this all before.

1:29:33Not only did they have a medical examiner, we know today or yesterday when the published reports were that the exam was released and there was information as of December of last year that the medical examiner had come to the conclusion that the cause of death was use of a sharp instrument, that there were fingers that were severed and they had a toxicology that at least showed the presence of drugs. You combine that with the fact that what's being reported today also, if true, is that there was child porn, meaning images of females who were under 18 on David's phone. All of that would have been known to the DA last year, which leads you to why did the LAPD go in months ago, get rebuffed first, and then successfully later muzzle the medical examiner to the point where the medical examiner, something I've never seen before, came out publicly and pushed back against that.

1:30:48put on his website a statement saying, you know, that this is not transparent, that this shouldn't happen. Not once, but twice did he do that. And then yesterday, after the DA asked that the medical report be released, he thanked his partner agencies. I'm going to wildly speculate here that what happened was they arrested him on Thursday so that I think the LAPD did that so that they could force the DA to file this case. They did not have a criminal complaint. They did not have an indictment when they arrested him. There's this weird violation, I think constitutional violation, where you can arrest somebody on a Thursday and not put them before a magistrate until a Monday, which is beyond what the Supreme Court says for 48 hours.

1:31:38That forced the DA to come in heavy and file this case on Monday. The defense did something, I think very astute. They said, that's fine. You can dump terabytes of information on us. We're ready for trial, which was in contrast to what happened in the Reiner case where they dumped terabytes of information and the public defender said, hey, I need two or three months. I don't have enough time. I think that this the ball's back in the D.A.'s court and the D.A. may go get an indictment at this point. Matt, what do you make of that, that she was dragged to a kicking and screaming by cops who were like, it's time.

1:32:13You know, I had a conversation with Harvey Levin on TMZ about this. And of course, that's Mark's Mark's partner on another podcast, which is sort of funny. He called me. Mark is always right. You're always right. And Harvey's always wrong. By the way, Harvey even called me a slut to his words for doing Megan Kelly true crime with Matt. I told him, yeah, slut. I told him in the market, I'm cheating on him. Sheriff Harvey is one to talk. I have another ransom note. How many 50 ,000 podcasts can I tease it on? Please. I was slut shamed, so I'll leave it at that. Yeah. Well, yeah. I'm honored that you're sledding it up with me.

1:32:54I will be doing all I can to lure you away from that man, just so we can set the record straight. So yes, man. So we yeah, we Harvey and I went back and forth a little bit on that. And he was actually very pleasant. Megan, I'd never been on the show before. But I took sort of like, I took a counter position and he agrees with Mark on this. You know, I think I had some dealings with Nathan Hockman and it's all of mine have been very positive. This is, it is unusual. I've never seen it done quite that way, but I think you can. And they've got, you know, they've been working on this thing for months and months.

1:33:30And I think that one move certainly is refusing to wait time. But on the other hand, there's a thing in California called Prop 115. where you can just throw on, you can put on hearsay statement to establish probable cause. All the DA needs to do here is basically call the lead and maybe one or two other witnesses regarding what happened in front of the grand jury, and they get the ball over the net on that. And then they're just in the discovery phase. That's what I would do if I was them. You want to know what I would do back, Matt? And you and I discuss this. There's this little known provision in the penal code called 866.

1:34:05California Supreme Court said, If you're going to go and try and just put on a bare bones prelim, the only way we're going to say that that gives you due process is if the defense can make an offer to the court and say we're going to call witnesses because we don't think you're telling the whole truth. And that's what I would do if they try to bare bones what we call 115 prelim, which, by the way, Murphy pioneered down in Orange County. I can't tell you how many times he hoisted me on a 115 petard of a prelim. But 866 is if you can convince the judge, then your witness, you can put the witness on.

1:34:44I don't think the DA is ready to put these witnesses on and subject them to the cross-examination. We'll see soon enough. Yeah, I mean, and maybe it's just me, but it doesn't seem like that confusing or complicated a case. If she's got child sexual abuse materials on his phone, Matt, he's not getting out. He's going to have additional charges filed against him. And I don't know if they can prove murder, but it's very, very bad that he was having sex with a 13 year old girl who is now dead and dismembered in the back of his car. That alone would be pretty circumstantial. But I'll bet you there's more.

1:35:21So, yeah, well, I read the coroner's reports yesterday. And one of the interesting things about this is that she was essentially the decomp was very advanced. And so she was basically a skeleton in inside the car. but they left her tube top on and there were cuts in the tube top indicating and i'll bet you anything that there's going to be when we get the full report there's going to be nicks on the ribs underneath that so i think they're going to be able to prove a murder i don't know if they're going to prove that he was the killer or not but he certainly under the theory that they're advancing was the one that stood to gain but and mark has had this experience and i i have too juries if you get in child pornography that case you are you're basically on third base um and and all you need is a base hit prosecution wise because the jury will hate him so much for just such as child pornography and it fits look that's corroborative to this idea that they were having a sexual relationship and also if that's true and of course we haven't seen it yet um i think that the vast majority of public sympathy for this guy is going to evaporate overnight if if that's true hopefully we'll never see those images if anybody has it yeah but and hey can i just do a side thing here mark as mark was in the green room um mark is a very busy man he's very important i was sitting there listening mark you missed it and i'm not sure what we're getting into because all i heard was megan kelly and ashley merchant our friend talking about katie perry's vagina that was with the first segment.

1:36:51Which she took out and rubbed on someone. Hey, Mark's the one who brought up penal. Yeah. And by the way, Dave Ehrenberg and Phil Holloway were sitting there, Mark, saying absolutely nothing. They did not. They were trying to be so careful. Ehrenberg started stuttering. It was amazing. I've never seen him like that before. He was coming right at him. Yeah, and then they start, they go to Cash Patel, Mark, and then you arrive. So it was like the most serious Cash Patel stuff. By the way, why don't we talk about Cash Patel in the poodle room? I want you to know right now, Megan, in the last 45 days, I have been, I'm not going to reveal names, in the poodle room where alcohol was served with DOJ, members of the DOJ.

1:37:43So I'm just going to leave it at that. Oh, were they hammered? Did they get extremely drunk? I'm not a drug recognition expert. I'll leave that to mercy. That's a good defense lawyer right there. This is like off topic, but isn't it? It's so weird. You know, there's that story in the news right now about the Patriots coach and the ESPN reporter. And there was a picture online of them like holding hands at some resort. It seemed pretty clear they were getting it on. I guess technically they're denying it. But in any event, she got fired from ESPN. They're both married. Okay, that makes sense to me because she's supposed to be covering him.

1:38:18And it's, you know, you've sacrificed your objectivity. You can't be sleeping with your source or the subject of your coverage. But now he's stepped away from the Patriots coaching job for a couple of days. He's going to like some counseling over the weekend. He's going to miss the draft. He's technically going to oversee it from afar. But I'm like, has the morality police gone a little far? We have lost. Why am I reading about this? Why do I need to know about like lost our mind? You know, one of the examples I give with great frequency is Casey Wasserman, who's head of the Olympic L.A. 28 Olympic Committee.

1:38:56He's mentioned in the Epstein files as specifically he made a comment about Jelaine looking good in leather pants. OK, I mean, let's there. He's now had to sell his business for a billion dollars. I guess there's worse things that could happen. But now they're trying to drum him out of the Olympic Committee, all because he made a comment, I don't know, over a decade ago that now has surfaced. I realize that everything Epstein is radioactive. But can we just take a step back and take a breath before we just cancel people for everything under the sun? It's unbelievable. To your point, it's morality police on steroids.

1:39:39It's like nothing I've ever seen. Yeah. Isn't it? Is this his business with his wife? Like, why is he having to take days away from the Patriots? Because he may or may not have gotten it on with this reporter. By the way, my executive producer corrects me. She worked for The Athletic, which is owned by The New York Times. She and she was resigned. If they were to tell me that he took days off to recover from the black eye from his wife slugging him, I would. OK, I get that. Got it. I'm there. Totally. No, but like there's like a big interview of him, Matt, online where he's like, you know, I had to talk to my team about not becoming a distraction and, you know, not I'm sorry I let them down.

1:40:23Like, could you, like, whatever. Those guys would high five them in a heartbeat if they could. That's, I mean, we're still talking about a group of American football players in a locker room. Give me a break. Yeah, it's like this pearl clutching thing. I totally agree. It's completely out of hand. It really is. Then there was another article. I just think I see this one as long as we're going down this lane. Why not? There's a DHS employee. She's a DHS, Department of Homeland Security. and there's some guy who's complaining because she was asking him for a bunch of money she was like i want you to pay for my dinner and i want you to pay for my wardrobe and i want a few thousand bucks for this and um was basically treating him like a sugar daddy right and like again what what i don't i don't understand everywhere it's like it's up to you whether you want to do it or not do it we all know how that works like if you give it up she's probably gonna give it up too or you You can just say she's terrible.

1:41:19Why am I reading about it in the paper, Mark Garagos? You explain that to me. You can also explain the other administration official who's in a yellow bikini who was drummed out of the administration because the media claimed that she was taking a junket or having fun in Vegas. I don't understand it. The cancel culture actually is too nice of a name for it. It's ridiculous. The way we have come to a point where people have lost their minds on these kinds of things. Truly, it's like these sort of I don't know, it's it's it's its own court in a way, Matt, you know, like the court of public opinion.

1:42:01The media tries you. There will never be due process. You will just lose your reputation right quick. And it lives forever. Anybody who Googles it. And I mean, these are these are high profile people. But imagine the guy who has one one thing on social media and that comes up over and over again. And it's not just the super famous. There's other people that, you know, are in the lower ranks of notoriety and it can destroy their entire life. Yeah, where do you go to get your reputation back? Look, I don't condone the cheating, obviously. It's just like, I don't know why it's my business. It's the spouse's business, the kid's business, but it's definitely not my business.

1:42:38All right, listen, this is just a sampling of the kind of conversation you can get if you tune into In the Well, which is at the MK True Crime YouTube channel and podcast feeds. Again, just subscribe to MK True Crime and you will get all of these amazing lawyers that you have heard today. Guys, thanks for being here. We're back tomorrow with Jesse Kelly. We will see you all then. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

1:43:08Finding the music you love shouldn't be hard. That's why Pandora makes it easy to explore all your favorites and discover new artists and genres you'll love. Enjoy a personalized listening experience simply by selecting any song or album, and we'll make a station crafted just for you. Best of all, you can listen for free. Download Pandora on the Apple App Store or Google Play and start hearing the soundtrack to your life. the wrongs we must right the fights we must win the future we must secure together for our nation this is what's in front of us this determines what's next for all of us we are marines we were made for this

1:43:59Thank you.