Kimmel's "Widow" Double Standard, Left Celebrates Political Violence, and Newsom's Hypocrisy, with Stu Burguiere | Ep. 1305

28:43She was a contestant on The Bachelorette, and they said, oh, that's racially insensitive. Everybody knows the Deep South liked slavery, so you must like slavery. You went to a party where you wore the big fluffy dress. Okay, it was just absurd stuff. And Chris Harrison did something very brave. He felt bad for this gal. And he gave an interview, an on-camera interview, trying to like help her out. Her name was Rachel Lindsay when he sat on another very lighthearted TV program called Extra. And here the comments were to Rachel Lindsay. And here's what he said, Sat 12. I saw a picture of her at a sorority party five years ago.

29:26And that's it. Like, boom, like, OK, well, this this girl is in this book now and she's now in this group. And I'm like, really? OK, well, there goes. The picture was from 2018 at an old South antebellum party. So I think, you know, when you when you. It's when you hold that under the lens. It's not a good look. It's not a good. Well, Rachel, is it a good look in 2018 or is it not a good look in 2021? It's not a good look ever because she's celebrating the old South. She said if I went to that party, what would I represent at that party? I don't I don't disagree with you. you're you're 100 right in 2021 that was not the case in 2018 again i'm not defending rachel i just know that i don't know 50 million people did that in 2018 between you know it's like there were that was a type of party that a lot of people went to and again i'm not defending it i didn't go to it we are not looking under the same lens these girls got dressed up and went to a party and had a great time they were 18 years old now does that make it okay i don't know rachel you tell me but where is this lens we're holding up and was that lens available and were we all looking through it in 2018 i don't know i don't have these answers yeah i think that's the problem is we weren't you're right we weren't looking through those lens and we should have been okay so he was making a perfectly valid point the anchor there um was rachel lindsey the the woman they were talking about is named Rachel Kirkconnell.

30:59And she was a contestant on The Bachelor. She was a contestant on The Bachelor. And she wound up like, I don't know, then then she went on to become the bachelorette. Is that what happened? I'm trying to get my bachelor history right? My team's updating me. Whatever. She wound up. She wound up with The Bachelor. I guess she won this girl who went to the antebellum party. She's white. He's black, but she's a racist. Okay, great. And Chris Harrison, I guess, is a racist because he said, you know, we hadn't yet totally lost our minds in 2018. So what standards are we holding this girl to? After that, Stu, he was forced to self-flagellate in the most humiliating display by ABC Entertainment.

31:47Okay, so this, I'd like to forget this. We aired this when we first launched this show. It was horrifying. And here we are six years later, and it's still relevant because this network, oh, their standards have changed very much, Stu, very much. Here's what they made him do. A lot of people, and I'm wondering, why would you defend Rachel Kirkenell? I am an imperfect man. I made a mistake, and I own that. I believe that mistake doesn't reflect who I am or what I stand for. I am committed to the progress, not just for myself, also for the franchise. You said, quote, is it not a good look in 2018 or is it not a good look in 2021?

32:36Because they're the big difference. So what is the, to you, what is the difference? Or is there one? There is not. Antebellum parties are not okay. Past, present, future. Knowing what that represents is unacceptable. I am saddened and shocked at how insensitive I was in that interview with Rachel Lindsay. And I didn't speak from my heart. And that is to say, I stand against all forms of racism. And I am deeply sorry. I'm sorry to Rachel Lindsay. And I'm sorry to the black community. Harrison says he's been working closely with a quote, race educator and strategist, along with faith leaders and scholars like Dr.

33:26Michael Eric Dyson. Dr. Dyson often talks to me about counsel, not cancel. And that is full accountability. His apology is his apology, but it felt like I got nothing more than a surface response on any of this. And obviously, he's the man who wants to clearly stay on the show, but only time will tell if there is any meaning behind his word. Oh, my God. That's that's the same network that is now apparently fine with she's got the glow of an expectant widow. That's fine. That's no problem. But are we judging her by 2021 standards or by 2028 struggle sessions, counseling on air, lengthy apologies?

34:18didn't get it done. Chris Harrison was fired from his job of two decades. His career has never recovered because those assholes so besmirched him as some sort of a racist. But you get a total pass if you are a comedian making jokes, and that's in quotes, at the president's expense or that of the first lady. That's a yuckety yuck, hit the knee, holler out loud kind of moment for ABC. Stu, and so while neither you nor I are fans of cancel culture, I believe we must make them play by their own rules. Those rules don't get bent when the party who's been targeted and offended is a Republican victim as opposed to one of the Democrats' favorite people or causes.

35:11yeah i mean it's i just watching that clip brings me back to a completely different era i i it's i if you want a commercial as to how donald trump became president again in the first place you can watch that clip and realize you know people were just what the heck is this this poor guy i mean i feel bad for him you kind of hope that if you were in that position you'd have you know a different approach i i would hope i would just say to my bosses screw you i'm not saying that stuff it's easy to say uh you know when you're but wait let me let me just jump in and say because i was in this position i mean i was in this position shortly before chris was and um when they're telling you like your entire contract which is probably pretty hefty is going away and you're thinking am i going to be able to pay my bills am i going to have to move and my kids are going to have to come out of these schools am i going can i avoid this national humiliation just by saying okay, I'm sorry.

36:07I like, I'm sorry. Fine. You know, some people may actually have been offended. It seems at the time, this is before I'm sorry's were canceled, right? Like this is back in the era where apologies were still a thing. It seems like a low price to pay to save your whole career, to save your contract, to save the possibility of not having everybody call you a racist, which is not a fun thing to be called, right? It's like, you have to look at it through the 2021 mindset as opposed to like present day when we know the apology gets you nothing. Chris Harrison learned the hard way. It gets you nothing.

36:41You still get fired. I learned the hard way. It gets you nothing. You still get booted. So it's like he didn't know at that point. I think 2026 Chris Harrison would not apologize. Yeah, it's easy to say. It really is. I mean, it's the same reason why people settle lawsuits all the time that they don't think that they're wrong on, right? I mean, you have to make calculations in your life and for business. It's an understandable part of who we are and i think i think it's i think we've improved that a considerable amount because we saw you know what what the outcome of some of those apologies were and and the worst part about that is he look he was the good guy in that situation it was easy to pile on some poor 18 year old girl who you know quote unquote made a mistake and went to a party that a million other people went to uh at that time he was doing he was doing the hard thing he was standing up for someone who was being beaten down by the internet and the media and he actually was the good guy in that situation full stop and then you see the these people who uh you know like strahan who come on and and and pile on top of him afterward it's even more despicable because you they all know why he's there they all know that they're they all know that there's nothing wrong with what he did uh we've seen examples of this honestly stew that happened to me too yeah al roker got on the air at nbc and was like she needs to do a better apology she's basically she did has to racialize her apology and apologize specifically to black people.

38:03Here's your apology, Al. Go fuck yourself, fat man. Fuck off. That's what I mean, for so many years, I've wanted to say that. So I did. But anyway, that's the insane time we were in. People were made to flagellate, self-flagellate, take the flagellation from everybody else. And now, but now go for it. As long as you're offending Melania Trump and of course, Donald Trump, You're golden. This is the same company. Roseanne ruined from the number one show for a joke. Chris Harrison, not even a joke. A mild milquetoast defense of somebody who was really hurting and was not a bad person. And ruined.

38:42Two decades of a career. That's the loyalty they showed to their two-decade employee. We can keep going. Gina Carano. Now that's Disney. Same company, though. She was starring in The Mandolin, and she posted—I'll put it up on the board—she posted a picture of the Holocaust of Jews being rounded up and tortured by people in their neighborhood. And she was making the point that some civilians helped round up Jews. It wasn't all the Nazis. Like they terrorized communities so much that some civilians helped round up Jewish people when they were being shipped off to camps. And she was making the point that the way people talk about conservatives trying to turn their neighbors against them has shades of that.

39:33And she wasn't in a way was she saying conservatives are like not Nazi victims, you know, Holocaust victims. She was not suggesting that she was basically saying, like, you don't turn neighbor on neighbor. That's fraught. And it's got a bad history. Fired. Lost her whole movie career at Disney. This same company we're talking about. Same company. So why don't these standards apply to Jimmy Kimmel? yeah i mean they took the one good thing uh disney did with star wars and got rid of her over that and it was despicable and when it comes to jimmy kimmel i i am like you uh megan i'm glad you said this earlier it's like i have a really high standard for this like i don't i do a show as you mentioned with dave landau who is a comedian who uh would admit he says some of the worst things imaginable during his stand-up comedy comedy there is there should be a wide breadth, a really wide breadth for comedians to say kind of whatever they want.

40:30I completely agree with that. You know, what he is doing here is trying to take advantage of his political liens to avoid the same consequences that are hitting other people. And, you know, he was never there stepping out for any of those people that I'm aware of. I don't remember him ever making a pro Gina Carano point. I don't remember him ever making a point on Harrison, any of these people, or for you, certainly. He wouldn't do that because it all comes down to politics for him. That's exactly right. No, I said this recently. I was like, so I got in trouble at NBC because I said blackface Halloween costumes used to be considered okay.

41:08They weren't like a big cancellation cause. Like you could get away with it in the 70s. When I said, when I was growing up, it wasn't a big thing. I never wore blackface. You'll never see a photo of me wearing a blackface Halloween costume. It has never happened. I was just pointing out, people used to do it and it wasn't a thing. Did Jimmy Kimmel, when I was twisting on the vine, because I was twisting for a few days there before my show got canceled, did he come out and say, you know what? She's right. Like, I did it. I, Jimmy Kimmel, I did it. I put on blackface repeatedly on my old show. I put on a fat suit and I went as black Oprah.

41:44I was a black fat Oprah. I went as Karl Malone, where I spoke in Ebonics. I mean, it was like the most racist portrayal. I did it. She's right. Did he say she's right? I'm not excusing my wearing of it, but Megyn Kelly is right. No, he didn't. He kept his mouth shut because his post in front of those clique lights is too important to him still. And ABC is going to play along like he's not sacrificeable, right? Like we we stand up for humor and the First Amendment and commentary. That's those are our values. This same organization that did all those things. I mean, I could keep going. There's a long list of people they've hurt, but they're going to get away with it here because they like what he said.

42:34I bet you they laughed. They have no problem suggesting Melania wants Trump dead. it's really despicable um and when you look back at first of all what happened with you which was a complete disgrace said that at the time uh and it was a horrible horrible uh thing i will say in retrospect they probably wish they didn't do it because they i think they much would have much rather had uh you know you and in a different situation not speaking your mind in that same way every single day uh that you're doing now i think i think they regret that uh you know all the way to the moon so first of all there's that secondly with with Kimmel you're right I mean the Karl Malone thing is a great example of of really just racist humor right like that you know he was in blackface and the only criticism the only point he was making in that particular series of sketches was that Karl Malone talked funny that that was the bit that was the bit that he talked in a way that Jimmy Kimmel found hilarious and so he put on blackface and impersonated him as a white person doing a black person.

43:39Again, standards change over time. You know, I find it, I don't like canceling people for anything, but certainly you can't be the person who is coming out here with the standards today that he's trying to advocate for and looking for these protections now after he has never been there for anyone who's been dealing with this over this time. He's complete hypocrite on these points. And, you know, I really do have a real concern over, you know, where we're going with rhetoric and there's bigger issues than that. Even just the, you know, what you say as a political criticism, people saying that Trump is Hitler and all these things, I think that can lead to terrible things.

44:16But as a guy who's been doing commentary for multiple decades, those types of things worry me. I mean, people criticized us, you know, Glenn, I was on Glenn Beck program back in the day and people criticized us constantly and blamed us for things that crazy people did. You can't do that. And it's an unfair standard in this country. We have a free speech for a reason. You know, what is building on top of that, however, particularly on the left, is the lionization of the people who actually commit the violence. Now, that is a different scenario than saying even Trump is a fascist, which I am critical of, and I think you should be more responsible than as a journalist.

44:53What Jimmy Kimmel said the other day, you should think as a person who's on national television, after you've watched this man get shot literally on stage, you'd think your standards would be a little bit more appropriate. However, when you're talking about what they're doing with the guy, and I don't even want to say his name, who killed the healthcare executive, that type of activity, we've seen study after study after study that lionizing people who do things like that does bring copycats, does bring more of this crime. This is what's happened in the Columbine, post-Columbine community, when people like that become these sort of heroes.

45:28And then we watch journalists. We watch people who are getting interviews, Hassan Piker, Taylor Lorenz, praising this guy and acting like he's a hero. Thank God somebody did this. Thank God someone was standing up. That is the type of stuff that actually does, scientifically studied, does produce copycats and more of this type of violence. And I know I'm really concerned about how the left is doing that over and over and over again with these types of people. I really think like stay away from Trump assassination jokes. Yeah, yeah. Because it's not a joke. It's happened now almost four times. So it's not funny.

46:08Trust me, Jimmy, to those of us who are on the right or in the center, we don't find it funny at all. We actually find it very disturbing. It actually brings up something that was extremely jarring for at least half the nation. Really extremely jarring and upsetting. So, like, we don't want to joke about it the same way we don't want to joke about Charlie's assassination. You fucking cretin, which he also thought was funny and fair game. He's disgusting. He's a pig. He should have been fired for that a long time ago. They kept him on the air. And once again, he doubles down on assassination jokes and now doesn't have the balls, Stu, to admit that's what it is.

46:44trying to, same as Nora O'Donnell in that clip with Trump on 60 Minutes, like, oh, you, oh, did you think that was about you? The killer, the would-be killer's reference to a pedophile, rapist, whatever the third word was. Did you think that was you? Same here with Jimmy Kimmel going, oh, oh, did you think that was an assassination joke? No, that was just because he's so much older than she is. Oh, sure, sure, Jan. Yeah, yeah, sure. The third word, by the way, was traitor, uh megan and you'd think after watching uh a manifesto like this and hearing this come out in the days after a yet another assassination attempt on the president it might be a good day for you to admit that he's not a pedophile and he's not a rapist and he's not a traitor how about that how about starting there just just just knocking those claims down for a second saying by the way there's no evidence of this whatsoever there's been some allegations uh those allegations have never been proven.

47:46And maybe addressing those things and taking them off the table a little bit from a trusted source would be helpful in a moment like this. As they always criticize us, they want us to lower the temperature. They want Donald Trump to do that all the time. And at times there's some legitimate arguments to that, I think, with him. But when it comes to their own reputation, their own responsibility in a moment like this, they never find it. They can never locate their own will to be able to lower the temperature whatsoever. It's only criticizing us for hiring it. I totally agree with that. And the other thing is, I don't excuse any of the, I mean, Trump celebrated the death of Robert Mueller.

48:27That was bad. Rob Reiner. He celebrated the death of Rob Reiner. We and virtually every conservative called him out on that. You know, that's bad shit. He shouldn't be doing it. But the truth is the political assassinations are happening of right wing figures. That's what we're seeing. So the left does have to think about the way it's talking about right wing figures, whether it's Charlie, congressional Republicans at the time of Steve Scalise's near assassination and President Trump more than anyone. CNN, the K-file, Andrew Kaczynski, he runs that. He's a great reporter. He unearthed a bunch of social media of this attempted killer from the correspondence dinner.

49:08And it shows, of course, he regularly referred to Trump as Hitler. All the leftist stuff that we heard prior to the Butler assassination attempt, you hear in this guy's social media. The pedophile thing, the rapist thing. Like, that is your standard fare these days on MSNBC, some CNN shows, and certainly in the left-wing pot of sphere. And here's just an example of some Democrats sounding, I mean, you want to talk about rhetoric. Here's some Democrats in Sot 15. Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic. And he must be stopped.

49:55He cannot be president. They're still going to have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump. The MAGA movement is a threat. The extremists that we're dealing with every single day, we've got to kill and confront that movement. Clearly, you know, this is a literally call to arms. Literally what conservative white folks do when they don't get their way. They turn violent. You know who I got to vote for to keep Hitler out the White House. Yeah, Hitler, White House. We keeping them out, keeping Project 2025 out. That's all I care about. Up and down the ballot from the Rooter to the Tudor. And if you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd.

50:37And you push back on them. And you tell them they're not welcome anymore. And with this kind of inspiration, I will go and take Trump out tonight. I tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell you, Kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. It is just unquestionable at this point that that man cannot see public office and he has to be he has to be eliminated. It's just like crazy. That's just one little stop montage, Stu. I mean, we could we could be here all day. I just think like. If their side were being assassinated like this, they'd be marching in the streets to muzzle us all.

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53:46Back with me now, Stu Bergeer. He is the host of Predictable with Stu. Find out more at predictableshow.com and the relaunched Stu and Dave do America on Blaze TV. So speaking of Hassan Piker, who is this left-wing podcaster who is really incendiary in his rhetoric, like beyond. He gave an interview to the New York Times, I think it was, who was it to? Yeah, to the New York Times, yeah, on April 22nd. And they discussed the murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, which you just referenced a moment ago. And here is the exchange that the two of them had. I think this begins with the New York Times reporter asking a question.

54:35The second voice is Piker. 40 % of Gen Zers felt that that murder was morally justified. But it's scary to be in a society where people feel that murder is morally justified. And I'm curious how we thread that line. Yeah, Engels wrote about the concept of social murder. and brian thompson as the united healthcare ceo was engaging in a tremendous amount of social murder the systematized forms of violence uh the the structural violence of poverty uh the the for-profit uh paywalled uh system of of healthcare in this country because of the pervasive pain that the private health care system had created for the average American, I saw so many people immediately understand why this death had taken place.

55:37That is lunacy, Stu. That is like truly dangerous lunacy, the way he talked about social murder. That's what health insurance companies do, as if they have a moral obligation to say yes to every procedure, every medication, every surgery that a person wants done, or they're murderers. That's not how insurance works. It's a business. I don't love insurance companies. Nobody does. But it's an imperfect business, but it's a business. It is not actually just a support network for people who are ill. He misunderstands the fundamental nature and then accuses them of being murderers, which truly is dangerous rhetoric.

56:19And did, in fact, that kind of thinking get Brian Thompson killed. Yes, that is 100 percent what what happened there. And if you happen to be listening on Sirius or listening on podcasts, you don't get to see the wonderful visual of the New York Times person nodding along as he's explaining the concept of how he was guilty of social murder, which, by the way, is not a thing. Angles is not a good source for truth, just in case anyone was wondering about that. But like, yeah, I mean, you know, it's also just completely insane. But, you know, I also have my issues. I think everyone's had a run in with a health care company where they're annoyed at the way something has been handled.

57:01However, when you look at when you step back and look at the entire picture, it's impossible to even make an argument that they're a negative for society. They're paying for millions of surgeries all the time. Yes, they do occasionally make bad calls. Yes, they do occasionally have improper motivations for these things to happen. And there are cases where, you know, they've been, you know, they've been charged with criminal activity for some of this. That being said, overwhelmingly, most of the stuff does get covered. Most of the stuff is paid for. Most of the stuff is assisting people actually get better to actually get better.

57:36I reject the idea that there's some wonderful, grandiose other health care system out there that is better than the one that we have, as imperfect as it is. You know, and so while you see. Go move to Canada. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. In fact, what you see constantly are people coming on trips here to get the surgery done by people who know what they're doing. Go wait in the lines. You know, I talk to people who I know in Canada who are like, look, our health care system isn't bad when you can get into the office, when you can get an appointment, when you're not waiting six or eight months before the surgery that you need.

58:09There are problems. Two years for a breast cancer screening for a woman who finds a lump in her breast just to figure out whether it in fact is a tumor. You can wait years. Okay, go see how you like that, but it's free. Every procedure is covered. See how you like that, Hassan. Yeah, one of the last shows I did on the Glenn Beck radio program before I left was we talked about a woman in that exact same situation who was going through a serious medical issue. She was trying to get treatment in Canada. She was rejected over and over and over again by the system. Again, this wonderful socialist system kept rejecting her.

58:46And she then wound up signing up for MAID, which is their suicide program, their euthanasia program. She signed up for it and was, by the way, thankfully on a waiting list for that, too. And luckily, it was caught before she got there that we were made aware of that story. We brought on some of the best doctors in America to help her with her situation. situation that's the sort of stuff that has to happen in these in these uh you know left-wing communist uh you know dreams of a health care system so i reject the concept but even if we were terrible even if we did have a horrible health care system the the answer can never be to justify the murder of a ceo a ceo by the way who is well known within the company to try to be trying to fix the problems that hassan piker supposedly has with united health care all of this is idiocy and it can never justify violence.

59:42I see his comment as in the same bucket as the Jimmy Kimmel joke, because clearly he is joking about assassination. I don't accept for one second. He's talking about May, December ages on Trump and Melania. No, I don't believe that. He's suggesting she'd love to see him bumped off. And I and what it effectively does is help desensitize us to the possibility that that happens. It's like, we've laughed about it. Like, isn't it a little funny? Isn't he kind of annoying? Wouldn't it be better if he weren't here? Like, that's what he's doing. He's chipping away at a foundational sense of morality we all used to have about, no, it's not okay.

1:00:28You don't joke about murdering someone's husband, someone's dad, someone's granddad, someone's president. It's actually not funny at all. And you don't talk about social murder by an insurance agent that would justify his execution in the street as his teenage sons are suffering. And you don't come out explicitly as Taylor Lorenz, who's written for the New York Times and the Washington Post, did and openly celebrate the assassination. Here she is, CNN, April of 2025. It's hilarious to see these millionaire media pundits on TV clutching their pearls about someone standing a murderer when this is the United States of America.

1:01:12As if we don't lionize criminals. As if we don't have, you know, we don't stand murderers of all sorts. We give them Netflix shows. There's a huge disconnect between the narratives and angles that sort of mainstream media pushes and what the American public feels. And you see that in moments like this. The women who gather outside court in New York. So you're going to see women especially that feel like, oh my God, right? Like here's this man who's a revolutionary, who's famous, who's handsome, who's young, who's smart. He's a person that seems like this morally good man, which is hard to find.

1:01:51Oh my God. I just realized women will literally date an assassin before they swipe right on me. That's where we are. A morally good man. I mean, that's amazing. I've interviewed lots of murderers still, lots of them. You could do it as a probe into the mind of a killer. What makes somebody murder? That's all very interesting to me from a journalistic perspective. I wouldn't then call them a morally good man and justify the murders. That's really what she did. I'm going to give you one more. This was her earlier, closer in time to the actual offense. This is December 2024 on with our pal Piers Morgan.

1:02:35I do believe in the sanctity of life. And I think that's why I felt, along with so many other Americans, joy, unfortunately, you know, because it feels like. Serious? I mean. Joy in a man's execution? Maybe not joy, but certainly not empathy. He's a father. And he's being young down in the middle of Manhattan. Why is that making joy for him? Americans that be murdered. So are tens. So are the tens of thousands of Americans, innocent Americans who died because greedy health insurance executives like this one push a policies of denying care to the most vulnerable people. Should they all be killed?

1:03:13Should they all be killed? These health care executives? Would that make you even more joyful? No.

1:03:22It's crazy, but she's not an outlier. No, no. I mean, it's very, very common. I mean, you know, it's terrifying to think about that because, you know, you played earlier on the show, Megan, a clip of Johnny Carson after the Ronald Reagan assassination attempt. And, you know, you saw the crowd universally, you know, clap and applaud for, you know, for Ronald Reagan surviving the exact way you'd want a crowd to respond to someone almost being murdered. and what's scariest to me about all of this is we all know in that crowd of hollywood celebrities there were plenty of people who despised ronald reagan and probably a decent amount of them that were kind of happy that something like this happened they probably were secretly uh cheering this on but that's the word that i think is really important here secretly they were they They would be embarrassed by it.

1:04:21They wouldn't want to tell anyone that they were happy that Ronald Reagan had been shot. They wouldn't want to celebrate it openly. They would never do that. What has changed? There was a standard of decency. There was a standard of decency and other people would hold you to account. If you came out and said, gosh, I'm really excited that that happened to Ronald Reagan, your liberal friends would call you insane and never want to be around you again. What's going on now, and this happens with Trump, and it happens certainly in this health care situation is there there is a at the very least a quiet um uh in group celebration of of what might happen to donald trump and honestly we're seeing constantly on social media and with people like taylor lorenz who is you know just bat crap crazy people who will publicly tell you they had joy to watch a father get murdered in the streets not even because of a specific critique of him, but because of people, of executives like him, it was her quote.

1:05:21Not even that he did anything wrong. And they're doing it right now about the attempt on Trump's life from Saturday night. We pulled just a couple. The irony here, excuse me, this woman, Ali King, I'm about to show you, works for United Health Care. She's commenting on the Trump assassination attempt from Saturday. But of all people, you would think somebody who works for UnitedHealthcare, a group that saw its own president and CEO get murdered in the street, she'd have a sensitivity to how awful that is, irrespective of somebody's politics or job responsibilities. No, listen to her. It's not 31.

1:06:02We're cooked as a country when my first reaction to hearing the news about Trump's attempt was it was probably fake. like immediately i was like oh that wasn't real probably fake and the second was oh they missed so happy they missed oh yeah that's that's that's sad that's when you know we're cooked okay thankfully united healthcare fired her ass good for them you cannot allow that that you just can't allow that sort of cavalier nature to human life especially at a healthcare company, an insurance company, which deals in healthcare. Here's another one. This is a woman on TikTok, SOT32. You need to tell me that a pedophile was almost eliminated from this earth, and I'm supposed to feel anything other than disappointed.

1:06:53Right. It's her blue hair, her long blue wig. I mean, they're all deranged like this, too. It's like, they're straight out of central casting. And it's not just them. You know, we saw after Charlie was assassinated person after person after person. We have some of it. They're still out there. I guarantee you these same people are cheering for the shooter, the would-be shooter who's now in custody for attempting on President Trump on Saturday. Here's thought 15B.

1:07:30Charlie Kirk just got shot in the neck. Charlie Kirk got shot and he's dead. Finally, finally. Thank you. Can we keep this up? Charlie Kirk was a fucking Nazi. He was a fucking Nazi. And you know what kind of Nazi is the best Nazi? A dead one. Thank God that shit stain of a person is no longer in this world. Bad people should not be in this world. Shot right in the voice box. I might be 1 % less atheist today. I don't care that he was a person. He wasn't to me. He was a not to me. I think he's better off gone so fucking be. I think the only thing that went wrong that day was that Trump wasn't standing behind him getting a secondhand bullet.

1:08:18This is poetic. My thoughts go out to that pew pew having to look this motherfucker in the face. He was such a good person. Why did he get shot? What do you think we're going to do? Honestly, yeah, he had to come. Charlie Kirk was a big advocate for the Second Amendment. It worked out well for him. That actually makes me feel sick to my stomach. It's genuinely revolting. These people are out there. They're having those thoughts. And to your point, not keeping them secret. hosting them all over the internet, whether it was Charlie or Trump. And then what we get from the left after the latest assassination attempt is to both sides it.

1:09:00Oh, it's both sides. You know, they point to things like Paul Pelosi. You know, Paul Pelosi was attacked by a lunatic homeless dude who had BLM and pride flags all over the limited materials he had in his homeless encampment. Like they point to just these random situations where maybe a leftist got attacked, but nine times out of 10 by another leftist, right? Without acknowledging any of the rhetoric that they've been spewing that we hear time and time again from their killers or on their killers ammo. It's so true. The both side stuff is just irritating. I mean, everyone can quote the the the incidents that you speak of because they're just constantly brought up there would be like 27 new situations where some left-wing person commits violence and they're like well remember the guy who did an abortion clinic bombing in 1994 right like it's like yeah the fact that you need to go back to these things over and over again it kind of a sign but once again i remember back i think his name was eric rudolph back in the day one of the um uh abortion clinic bombers back in the 90s yeah and you know there were very limited rumors and stories about certain people i guess you'd call them on the right had that had um bumper stickers because that last name was rudolph and he had they were run rudolph run bumper stickers back in the day it was kind of a big story because people were like oh my gosh there's a few people who actually would justify this violence and every mainstream conservative in the universe came out and said no we don't Like, that's horrible, a horrible, horrible thing.

1:10:42And what you're seeing on the left with this lionization of the people doing this is a totally different culture than what you see on the right. Are there examples of people on the right committing violence? Of course there are. And those are really bad things. And we denounce them every single time they occur. I have no problem doing that. It's not a borderline issue to me. I don't care how much. I don't like taxes. I don't care how much. I don't know. I'm very, very, very pro-life. I don't have any interest and any patience whatsoever for anyone who would even consider doing a thing like that.

1:11:17You are the bad guy if that's what you're thinking about doing. You are evil. You are far more evil than anybody else that I can think of. Because you're taking a cause that I believe in that's good, protecting human life, and turning it into this evil. So I have no patience for you whatsoever. However, when we talk about Islamic extremists, one of the criticisms from conservatives is typically to say, hey, you need to be standing up against the people in your community who are committing violent acts. If you happen to be a normal, you know, God-fearing, law-abiding Muslim, right? That needs to be part.

1:11:53It's part of your of your responsibility to do that. It is central to you if someone is taking on one of your viewpoints to say, hey, I don't agree with that at all. you see almost none of this with the left what the left is doing is bringing hassan piker on writing columns in the new york times saying he's not he's not the enemy he's one of the good guys and then bringing him on podcasts and joking around about him with him about social murder and how it pretty much justifies a dad being murdered on a sidewalk in the middle of manhattan that does and again i bring it back there are tons of studies on this megan that show through trying to study mass shootings and to solve a really difficult problem, the only thing that seems to make any difference is taking away the notoriety and the fame from that small in-group.

1:12:39If they have that cult following, it is going to increase more people. And I guarantee you, this guy, we don't know it yet, but I bet you anything that this guy had the same sort of glowing, the glow in his eyes that Taylor Lorenz had for the guy who murdered the healthcare executive. Oh, he went all the way across the country and he did all this and he planned it and he plotted it. It's a very similar story and I would not be surprised at all to find that there was a lot of thought that went into that that echoed this. To be seen as a hero. Once I get this done, I will be seen as taking out this evil problem and everyone will look at me with the same wonderful batting of the eyes that Taylor Lorenz had for this other murderer.

1:13:18It's despicable and I really think we're creating new problems here. You're so right, Stu. Yeah, you go from zero to hero in one spare bullet. The data that has come out on who supports political violence is also very eye-opening. This is from Emerson, a poll that was done in December of 2024. And it found that 41 % of 18 to 29-year-olds found the killing of the UnitedHealthcare CEO at least somewhat justified. 41 % of 18 to 29-year-olds found it at least somewhat justified. I mean, that is just shocking. And then, I talked about this a little yesterday, but there was data just released that shows Americans with graduate degrees are far more likely to support political violence than those who have a high school diploma or less, a bachelor's degree, or just some college.

1:14:19The numbers are off the chart on who thinks violence is okay, support for political violence based on education levels. It's double. It's basically double if you have an advanced degree versus if you just have a high school diploma or less. The more time you spend in the education system, the more likely you are to believe political violence is okay. And this feeder, you know, we talked yesterday about all these teachers who are out there justifying the assassination attempt and cheering it on. It's no accident this guy was also a teacher. He was a tutor. The education system is full of rot, rot, and they're rubbing it all over our children.

1:15:04You know, it's they they they're playing with fire, Stu. I mean, they want to create good little revolutionaries for their side. And you really have to be so hands on as a parent now in order to prevent this from being done to your child. You know, it's just very, very dark. Okay, but I want to show you a couple more things. The New York Times participates this morning in the both sides-ism of this. Now, I'm going to show you two examples. Actually, before I get to the Times, I'm going to start with Essie Kopp of CNN. She does the explicit both sides by mentioning, for example, the Paul Pelosi thing.

1:15:49So listen to what she said. This is Sat 28. I think it's patently absurd to be told by Trump and Fox and MAGA wagging a righteous finger that we should not have conversations now about gun control, about Trump's own divisive rhetoric, about MAGA's own divisive rhetoric, about MAGA's dangerous lies and conspiracy theories that have led to actual violence. We're only supposed to apparently have a conversation about the supposedly violent left and Trump derangement syndrome. That's the only reason, apparently, there's been this uptick in political violence. And that's insane. That doesn't make any sense.

1:16:30No one should want political violence. But I also said that after Butler, but I also said that after Paul Pelosi. I said that after the insurrection and the murder of two Minnesota Democrats and the plot against Gretchen Whitmer and the attack on Josh Shapiro. It has not just been from the left. Okay, just a couple of things. Like the Paul Pelosi guy was a lunatic BLM or, you know, LGBTQ pride flag guy who is an insane person. The guy who committed those two murders in Minneapolis and Minnesota was an obvious nutcase who had worked for Tim Walls, whose politics closer to the murders appear to have turned right.

1:17:10Then you've got Gretchen Whitmer. That was like an FBI sting that was perpetrated where you had more FBI agents than you did actual people who wanted to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer. She mentioned Josh Shapiro. That was a free, free Palestine leftist who firebombed the governor's mansion. Again, these are all examples of left wingers attacking left wingers. That that is not about right wing rhetoric. Now, as for conspiracy theories leading to violence, I think she's talking about January 6th. I've got my own thoughts on that. I've never defended it. There are many people on the right who do have strong thoughts on that and whether those January 6th folks were railroaded into, you know, a profile of them that is unfair.

1:17:50But OK, fine. So that's your one thing. January 6th. That was bad. It wasn't great. Actually, contrary to the left lies, the only person who died that day was Ashley Babbitt, who was a Trump supporter, who was shot by a cop who had a trigger finger. It wasn't that they were five deaths and the cops. That's not true. in the days after some cops took their lives, one guy died of natural causes. They want to claim he was murdered. It's like the left can't participate in this without lying, right? Because they need to point to something still. So they just kitchen sink it, kitchen sink it. And that brings me to the New York Times and I'll get you to weigh in.

1:18:23The Daily does this this morning and they don't do the Paul Pelosi, Minnesota lawmakers thing. They do something else. They know that there are no political assassinations of their side in recent history that they can point to. Thank God. Thank God. Let's keep it that way. But they decide to widen the field of like tit for tat and listen to how they did it. Sat 26. We have seen, in addition to this, attacks on politicians in Minneapolis and Israeli embassy staffers in D.C. Just to name a couple examples of why I think it feels to a lot of people like we're living in this age of heightened political violence.

1:19:05One thing is definitely increased, and that is the number of threats just floating around the Internet, the number of threats that go after not just politicians, but, for example, judges and schools and hospitals. And to the question of is there more political violence in America? I think it depends on how you measure it. I'm wondering whether you would count somebody who goes into a school having written a thousand words about a political grievance and commits a mass act of violence. Would that be considered political violence, even if the targets are not themselves politicians, for example, or elected officials?

1:19:44And so in that scenario, the victim isn't, you know, a quote unquote political victim, but the act is carried out in the name of a political issue. I think most people would consider that to be political violence. So now all the school shootings, it's like those are all counted as political violence. So we're really not in a heightened time. This is a way of diminishing what's been happening to President Trump and right wing figures. Like, it's not 1968. We've been dealing with this for quite some time. All the school shootings are political. Some of the school shootings actually are political, Stu.

1:20:19the ones that they bury, the ones whose motivation they bury as too incendiary to even look at for a year like the one in Nashville, right? Like just they are unwilling to confront the reality that their side engages in incendiary rhetoric that has a real effect on way too many people, some of whom are nuts, some of whom are just radicalized, like this latest guy, who are actually murdering or making real-world attempts to murder prominent right-wingers. Yeah, and we've seen, unfortunately, too many examples of that. And I'm glad you brought up the manifesto of the Nashville shooter. How many times have we seen this when it happens to be trans people who have a political agenda, an overt political agenda, going and, you know, murdering children at Christian schools.

1:21:15That's absolutely political violence. And I don't think there's any question about that. It's not, you know, what you'd think of as a standard assassination, but it is something that I think is absolutely in that bucket of political violence. And like what I think, you know, winds up bringing people to, one of the reasons why I think we see people, and I'm sure I've done this at some point in my life, where people would bring this up and they'd say, well, what about the shooter that, you know, some right wing piece of violence from the past? And like, I'm pretty, I'm pretty okay just saying, yeah, that's terrible.

1:21:51Like I, my immediate response to that is of course that's terrible and I don't support it at all. It's very easy for me and you and others saying rational people to do such things. And sometimes that comes off as if there's some sort of, oh, both sides thing going on here. Look, the problem is quite clearly focused on one side right now. This is a massive problem where you have the rhetoric on the left is certainly, at the very least, not helpful to this because you're talking about often people discussing this, you know, Donald Trump as a person who is a unique threat to the country that is going to is doing things that are absolutely horrible everything from being a pedophile or a rapist or a traitor or hitler or fascist or someone that's just you know damaging and potentially like just picking up people off the street and murdering them without even telling their relatives and deporting them to foreign countries and all of these things when you have that sort of build-up there are some people who will take that and go to the next step again we have to be really really careful with that particular thing because it you know we should be able to express our political opinions even we should even be able to go over the line at times and say things that are you know maybe a little bit excessive expressing your point our founders also agreed with that they were really clear that political speech should be protected and and that is you know it's a it's a it's an offshoot in a way of the first amendment to say hey even your crazy nutty political speech should be protected and i i really think that's important i know you do too megan but when you get to this point where you are looking, we should all be able to look internally and be able to judge ourselves and hold ourselves to some standard.

1:23:34ABC should be doing that. They should be holding themselves to a standard. We should all be doing that ourselves. We should all be able to say, wait a minute. Sure, we are constitutionally protected to say all sorts of terrible things about our leaders, but when you see bullets graze their ears all the time, maybe this is the time to look inward a little bit and say, you know, maybe I shouldn't be putting out that type of statement right now. Maybe I don't want to be tied to the people who are going to celebrate a statement. You know, I think it was Katie Porter, the candidate for governor. Love her.

1:24:11Love her. She's a joy. All of her employees loved her, too. She's McVeigh. Yeah, she's quite entertaining. But, like, what was it, a day or two after she went out, and after president trump was another attempt on his life that we all witnessed she put out this long fundraising email for her stupid campaign in california that basically said f trump all over it like i'm gonna just come out and say it f trump and we need to stop this man and he's horrible and all these like ridiculously over the top you know uh bad twitter follow type of of nonsensical statements to try to get people all fired up to donate to her stupid campaign that is almost definitely going to end in a giant fat loss despite the fact that her main competition was molesting people all over the place this is the type of type of nonsense that like should you should just catch yourself right like should i be fundraising off of attacking this guy and calling him all these names a day after he was almost murdered in front of our eyes like probably not.

1:25:18Do you have any self-control at all? And a giant part of this country has none, has decided that because Trump does do this, and by the way, we're critical of him when he does, when he does this, they've decided, hey, what we need to do to be successes in politics right now is to out Trump Trump and to be 10 times worse than he's ever imagined being. And to me, like, there is such an opening for Democrats here. When Trump does do things like the Rob Reiner thing that everybody's critical of, there would be an easy way to show contrast with that by just being sane and calm and measured and sober.

1:25:51And instead, they decided to go the completely opposite way. I guess in some ways it's a political gift, but man, it's terrible for the country. Yeah, the Katie Porter fundraising email flyer came out Monday, which is, you know, 36 hours after the assassination attempt. And she writes as follows. I'm Katie Porter. or some of you know me as the whiteboard lady who held CEOs and billionaires accountable in Congress. Literally nobody knows you as that. So today I want to start with one simple, powerful message that we all agree on. Say it with me. Ready? One, two, three. Fuck Trump. Yeah, that's right.

1:26:26Fuck Trump. Together, we're going to kick Trump's ass in November and stop him in his tracks. I'll stand up to Trump and his cronies again and again, just as I did in Congress with or without my whiteboard. But this election for governor is about far more than defeating Trump. Now, we know what Trump is willing to do and how far he's willing to go. He's willing to kill people in the streets to rip health care away, to ruthlessly attack our democracy. But the governor's race asked us, what are we willing to do? Oh, wow. What are you willing to do? I mean, that is just so inappropriate on the heels of an assassination attempt.

1:27:04From her state. From the state. It's literally someone came from her state with those same ideals, went across the country and tried to kill the guy 48 hours before she's sending out that fundraising email. There is literally no shame. There's no shame whatsoever. Yeah. Yeah. And Jimmy Kimmel's from her state, too. I have to take a break. But before we do, I've got to get to Joy Reid. Let me just play what she's saying about this. It's not 29. Oh, they're just odd things that keep happening around Trump. And we know that Viktor Orban allegedly, allegedly, according to Washington Post reporting, there was a plot by the Russians to stage an assassination, fake assassination for Orban.

1:27:44So all of this throws it together. You're like, when something seems to perfect people, they don't they don't believe in it. And Donald Trump now again gets victimized by an alleged would be assassin in front of the perfect witnesses, the press. okay believe it or not she's not wrong about the russians and victor orban that actually is in the washington post and they're saying they report that the russians um offered this strategy as a quote game changer in an internal report obtained and authenticated by a european intelligence service and reviewed by the washington post the russian operatives proposed a way to fundamentally alter the entire paradigm of the election campaign as Viktor Orban was losing in Hungary, the staging of an assassination attempt on Viktor Orban.

1:28:32So that did happen, that they discussed it as a possibility. The Russians offered it. But from there, she goes to what these are odd things happening around Trump and suggesting that this was staged, that something seems to be too perfect, she says, around what happened to Trump and people don't believe in it. Donald Trump now again gets victimized by an alleged would-be assassin in front of the perfect witnesses, the press. And by the way, Don Lemon was out there interviewing people doing man on the street interviews, suggesting exactly the same. Trump's haters can't handle when anything happens to him that makes him look empathetic in any way.

1:29:17Yeah, you played that. I think the tick tock of the woman earlier who has this like real problem, which is a she thinks it's fake, but be also she hopes that it was successful, which, you know, you can't it's fake. Then it couldn't have been successful. Pick a lane. Yeah, pick a lane, please. But again, they never pick a lane. Right. And remember, Joy Reid was the featured speaker at a rally outside the Capitol when Democrats were stepping out of the State of the Union. Remember this? When they were coming out of the State of the Union and they were like, oh gosh, who are we going to pick as our featured speaker?

1:29:47They picked her, this crazy person who has been crazy for every moment we've been aware of her existence. And it just is, it really is bizarre that they keep going back to her. Because in a way it feels almost like unfair to pick a Joy Reid who's obviously a dunce to represent their point of view. But they literally picked her to represent her. their point of view. She's central to their cause. And what she is, Megan, is their quiet voice. These are the things that they say to each other all the time that they don't necessarily want to admit. But increasingly so, we see with the examples we've used in this hour with Taylor Lorenz and Hassan Piker and all these others, they are admitting now.

1:30:27More and more are admitting. And it is real. That conspiracy theory has caught on on the left. I would not be surprised if you pulled it right now with at least the online left that over 50 % of people believe that was a false flag, a fake operation when it came to that. I'd love to see it through. How did they get this guy, Alan Cole, to do it and to ruin the rest of his life where he agrees he's going to go to prison forever to just be part of a stunt to make Trump look empathetic, sympathetic to the rest of us? I don't get it. I really would like to see the conspiracy theory played out. Now, if this guy is Russian and doesn't speak English, okay, now I'm paying attention.

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1:34:51We're back now with Stu Bergeer and Jennifer Siebel Newsom, who is married to Gavin Newsom, is back in the news. She's very upset, Stu, about the interview between President Trump and Nora O'Donnell on 60 Minutes on Sunday night. In particular, the clip where Trump took issue with Nora reading to him the rantings of his would-be assassin. This clip here. The so-called manifesto is a stunning thing to read, Mr. President. He appears to reference a motive in it. He writes this quote, administration officials, they are targets. And he also wrote this, I'm no longer willing to permit a pedophile rapist and traitor to coat my hands with his crimes.

1:35:40What's your reaction? Well, I was waiting for you to read that because I knew you would because you're horrible people, horrible people. Yeah, he did write that. I'm not a rapist. I didn't rape anybody. I'm not a pedophile. Do you think he was referring to you? Excuse me. I'm not a pedophile. I'm not a pedophile. You read that crap from some sick person. I got associated with stuff that has nothing to do with me. I was totally exonerated. Your friends on the other side of the plate are the ones that were involved with, let's say Epstein or other things. But I said to myself, you know, I'll do this interview and they'll probably I read the manifesto.

1:36:23It's a sick person. But you should be ashamed of yourself reading that because I'm not any of those things. Mr. President, I was never excuse me. Excuse me. You shouldn't be reading that on 60 Minutes. You're a disgrace. But go ahead. Let's finish the interview. The other thing that he wrote in the. You're disgraceful. OK, so Jennifer Newsome weighs in. She doesn't like the way he spoke to Nora O'Donnell and says the following. This is on X. My family and I watched the 60 Minutes interview with Donald Trump and Nora O'Donnell last night, And we were shocked seeing a president speak to a woman journalist with that level of contempt and a clear allergy to facts is disturbing, though at this point, not unexpected, given his pattern of behavior.

1:37:08But that is the problem, because when that level of disrespect from the highest office in the country repeats itself, it starts to trickle down into our culture and define what power looks like, shaping how boys and plenty of men see women and girls and what they come to accept as normal behavior. Add in rhetoric rooted in political division, amplified by a digital ecosystem that rewards outrage and misinformation. And this cultural norm of hate, othering and misogyny becomes pervasive, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. She says it normalizes dominance and aggression toward women and girls. That's what he was doing, normalizing aggression and dominance toward women and girls, which not only silences them, but leads to internalized misogyny.

1:38:03Thank you to Nora and all the female journalists, and frankly to all of you who continue to be brave and speak truth to power. This culture of misogyny is on all of us. It has to end. So she wants women to have special privileges when they interview the president of the United States. he's not allowed to call them a disgrace or to take issue with their questions he has to just sit on that and not speak to it he's only allowed to do that in jennifer newsom's view if he's being interviewed by a man which jennifer i have news to you makes you the sexist not donald trump the nerve of this lady it's absolutely incredible again it comes from a lady who doesn't even know what a woman is.

1:38:53I mean, she's been advocating for people to change genders with a series of magic words and come into locker rooms of girls who actually do deserve the special privilege of having their own room to change in. That's not one that anyone in the Newsom family apparently agrees with. It's a fascinating take, I will say. You know, the pathetic nature of the interview, I mean, I'm with you, Megan. I heard you say this yesterday and that like, you know, I have no problem with her bringing up what was said in the manifesto. Honestly, it's almost like a bit of a softball, right? Like he should be. It's really easy for him to say he's not a pedophile and a rapist.

1:39:35It's an easy way for him to kind of push back on that. What really rubbed me the wrong way was that fake. Oh, do you think? Could it be? Could it be that he's referring? He was referring to you, Mr. Breastner. It's so fake. And it's the exact reverse. It's honestly why your show has been really successful. I hope anyone who listens to my show feels the same way. Like, you've taken what has been in the mainstream media for a very, very long time, this inauthentic blather, and we've successfully come up with a system to remove that and have people come out and actually say what they think. And because people are authentic in venues like this, they are growing by leaps and bounds while the networks are shrinking constantly because there's no authenticity in that.

1:40:25Every single person who views that, whether you like Trump or you don't, you know that she, of course, knew he was the one being referred to inaccurately in that particular manifesto. That, by the way, he somehow is coming out to be the bad guy on when he was the one having the gun pointed at him. This is an amazing situation. Truly, like if you trust me, if you want to go after Trump on the woman thing, you do your homework. There are some quotes out there. Yeah, that's not one of them. You're a disgrace. That's disgusting what you did. That's that's that's a day ending. And why for Trump in the press, male or female?

1:40:58What what did he say that she finds so misogynistic? Truly, like he didn't like her question. He didn't engage in a gendered attack. You know, like you're a you're a bitch or a ho or a C word. then I'd be paying attention to what she's saying. But no, it was you're a disgrace. And he didn't like the question. Got it. Her husband, who's been engaging in like these Twitter like attempts to sound like Trump, but in the process is actually being really offensive, has been tweeting out suggesting Benny Johnson and Jesse Waters are gay and on Grindr. Does that diminished the culture. He called Dana Perino, Dana ding dong Perino.

1:41:39He called our president, our president clinically ill, a felon. He made reference to JD's couch, JD's futon. He called Caroline Levitt secretary brain worm. He called Mike Johnson. Oh, Mike always on his knees, Johnson. He said, Stephen Miller's a snake. He slithers. He said, Laura Trump's show is a total disaster. This is her husband. No personality, no talent, very low energy. She desperately needs coaching. So is that contributing to the misogyny that Jennifer Newsome has such trouble accepting, Stu? Again, totally inauthentic. It's the exact same thing that they were criticizing Donald Trump of.

1:42:20Oh, but Melania, when we go back to the Jimmy Kimmel thing, Melania, why don't you talk to your husband? I don't know, Jennifer, maybe yours. If you can catch him when he's not sleeping with his best friend's wife, maybe you could, of course, address that with him directly. It's a pathetic thing that goes on here. And again, it's funny to watch Newsom have to deal with his wife, who's saying lots of things that are disagreeing with his public case for office right now. It's been an interesting thing to watch. But what she's saying there has absolutely no value. No, and unless she's going to apply it to her own hubby, too.

1:42:56We're not listening, Jennifer. Goodbye. And goodbye to you, my friend Stubergeer. It's wonderful spending the time with you. Thanks for coming on as always. Yeah, thank you so much for having me, Megan. All right, and happy to tell you that we are back tomorrow with VDH making his return to the MK Show. Cannot wait to talk to him. We'll do that tomorrow. Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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