Kohberger Claims He's INNOCENT, and Harry and Meghan's Royal Thirst, with Howard Blum, Mark Geragos, Ashleigh Merchant, and Dan Wootton | Ep. 1369

27:48That's about as much detail as he provides. Ashley Merchant, you're shaking your head. No, why? He's lost his damn mind. Like, what is he thinking? I mean, they didn't promise him contact visits. No lawyer is going to promise an inmate contact visits when they're serving life without parole for multiple homicides. That's just nuts. That is him Monday morning quarterbacking his decision that he made when he was faced with the death penalty. And he had a really good deal. And his lawyers did a really good job getting rid of the death penalty. And he's just having sour grapes at this point. And I hope that they give him a hearing so that his lawyers can take the stand.

28:23Because this, this waives privilege. So once he claims this, the lawyers now can get up there and they can talk about that conversation. and they can say exactly what happened and what he was talking about. But I think this is just sour grapes. He is bored. He wants something that he never could get, which is a much better prison sentence, a much better gig. And he just wants to stay relevant. Okay, here's the problem. I mean, there's multiple problems here, Mark, but this is one of them. This is what he said to the judge last summer. Are you pleading guilty because you are guilty? Yes. That's tough to get over.

28:59So there is a doctrine. Ashley knows it well. I think it's I always forget if it's Alford versus North Carolina, North Carolina versus Alford, where you can enter a plea and there are state variations of that. California, we call it people versus West. You say it's in my best interest. In this case, I entered this. I'm still maintain my innocence, but I'm going to enter the plea because I don't want to be put to death. He is not articulating that. And what you just showed is a problem for that. He could have insisted as part of his plea deal that I wanted this. I want a so-called Alford plea, which he did not do.

29:41That's number one. Number two, be careful what you wish for, because I watched an interview with one of the victim's fathers last night, and he basically welcomed a trial. And you might remember Steve Gonsalves. And he also mentioned the fact that they were not really consulted when this plea agreement came, and they thought that the prosecution did a horrific job. In fact, a lot of the things he was saying last night, to some degree, bolster this request to set it aside. I mean, this case in taking and this filing, if you will, which looks like a really bad chat GPT filing, taken on its own, it would have zero traction.

30:28But if you have the victims coming in and under a Marcy's law or they make the the claim that they were never consulted and that they didn't have a voice here, I could see where they would. Some judge would give them the opportunity to be heard. And I don't think it's a high likelihood, but somebody might say, OK, I've got both sides agreeing that they want a trial. Let's give them a trial. You know, I want Steve Gonsalves has been objecting to that. plea from the beginning. There's been some question about whether at least one of the other four victims family has objected. And there was some, at least like the two that reportedly said they were okay with it.

31:11There's been some questions since the plea deal about whether they are still okay with it as facts have emerged here, Steve last night. Um, in, as you just referenced, Steve Gonsalves. In a way, do you feel if this goes to an actual trial and he has an opportunity to fight the evidence. Is that something that you'd say, you know what, I think it's necessary? I would love it. We're getting to the point where capital cases 9 % of the time are settled out of court. We do need case law. We do need state law. And Idaho could, I think it could benefit greatly from this. Unfortunately, we spent$8 million.

31:45And I feel for my community. I love, this guy wasn't even a member of our society. He wasn't even a member of our state. And we've really just been totally put through the ringer having to defend this loser. So I want to protect my community. And I feel like, you know, I can't keep asking for more. We got our chance. We had a weak prosecutor, but I don't want to put our community through another few million dollars. It's unfortunate, but somebody's going to have to put their foot down and make this case law. Hmm. But the poor family members. But Mark, my question to you is, he seems as far as Kohlberger's actual motion, he seems to be citing again the hair.

32:32He said this was unknown, unknown hair in a he said failure to disclose or to review to review exculpatory evidence, i.e. unknown hair in Chapin's hand during plea discussions. Let's just start there. As I read with Howard, the defense filed an exhibit right before the settlement, the plea deal, disclosing that. So he must be saying his lawyer didn't tell him about it. Is that a ground for undoing a plea? No, but if he's going to then amplify that, it is not. But the way you read it, it was described as debris. If he then kind of fleshes that out and starts to talk about, look, they didn't tell me there was a hair.

33:19They didn't tell me it was an unknown origin. They didn't tell me, and nobody tested that hair to see whether or not it was for, you know, on something that is basically mitochondrial DNA, which is what the hair is. If they had tested that and they had excluded him to the point that that suggested somebody else, he's got some things to talk about. But as right now, as drafted and right now in this kind of rambling nature, no judge is going to grant anything he needs. And I suspect and I was also speculated last night, I think, by Steve, that he has money on the books and that maybe he's attempting to get some lawyer to parachute in to potentially kind of flesh this out.

34:12But it is he is asking for he's asking for a court appointed lawyer. He's saying that they ask, are you requesting the appointment of counsel? He says, yes. Are you seeking to proceed in former pauper? In other words, are you too poor to afford a lawyer? Yes. And since he seems to be suggesting Ann Taylor was ineffective, right? He hasn't used the words ineffective assistance of counsel. That's clearly where he's going. What will happen now, Ashley? Will the judge, before he denies this out of hand, say, OK, here's a new lawyer to properly raise these claims for you before I deny them? Most likely, the judge will give him a new lawyer.

34:52He's not constitutionally entitled to a new lawyer. This is a collateral plea. This is a collateral post-conviction matter. You're only entitled to counsel on the actual direct appeal. And he waived that. So he didn't have an appeal. He's not entitled to a lawyer. but oftentimes judges in cases like this that are complex, they will appoint a lawyer, quite frankly, to make their job easier because it is difficult to communicate with someone who's in custody. You know, you see these pro se filings, it's just much easier to deal with a lawyer. So we could probably see that. I also think what we'll see is we'll see a petition to have this hair tested because right now, you know, he's saying, oh, well, it's exculpatory evidence.

35:27No, it's not. It's potentially exculpatory evidence if, if it even is. And so he's got the burden in this post-conviction. Brian Koberger has the burden. So he's got to get this evidence tested to see if it actually is exculpatory. And, you know, I don't even see how, if it was someone else's DNA, how that would even be exculpatory. But the first thing I would do if, God forbid, I was appointed to represent him at this point, is get that hair tested. Well, it does say it was tested. It says in the defense motion, like that his lawyer filed on June 6, 2025, as they stipulate to the admission of this exhibit, which includes debris from right hand of Ethan Chapin.

36:08They write items submitted from Ethan Chapin, and they list a few items from Kaylee, from all the victims. And then they write that these exhibits were examined for hairs microscopically consistent with hairs in the head hair sample from Brian Kohlberger. However, However, none were found. So they're saying in this motion, his lawyer, that that hair was examined, that it did not match Brian Kohlberger's hair. So like, yeah, this was already done. The best he could be alleging here, Ashley, is that Ann Taylor, his lawyer, didn't tell him that one of the victims had a clump of hair in his hand and it didn't match you, which is potentially exculpatory.

36:52Right. Who did it match? Like the description of those hairs, as I read from that guy, Christopher Wickholm, who was speaking with a defense lawyer or sorry, an offense, a defense witness who was going to take the stand, describes short, like reddish blonde hairs, six inches in length, which don't match anyone involved in this case. So I can see how they would be potentially exculpatory. But Ann Taylor told him to take the plea. That seems to be his beef. Like she didn't tell me. And I would have liked to have had the chance to argue this. Right. And that's what he's saying. And that's what he's hoping to hang his hat on.

37:25But at best, let's say that this hair is someone else's. Let's say it's not one of the victims, which is what I would test for immediately. I would test it against the victims because most likely it's from one of them. Maybe, you know, maybe they Brian Koberger had it on his body from another victim. And so this this victim got it on his body. There are a lot of different ways that it could happen. It's not necessarily exculpatory if it's someone else's hair. All it means is he had an accomplice, which doesn't mean that he didn't do it. It just means that maybe there's more to the story. So I would be arguing.

37:54It certainly gets our attention, though. Oh, 100%. If that's where we're going. And we want to know that. Yeah, the rest of the world is interested. Well, and that's why we should have had him allocute, because we all think that there's a chance that there was someone else. So why in the world the prosecution allowed him to take a plea to the death penalty off the table without having him allocute? That's insane. Okay, wait. We know the reason now. This is like, we all bitched about this at the time, a year ago, when they took this plea without an allocution, because we all wanted to hear him say he did it.

38:20We wanted to hear where the murder weapon was. We wanted to hear what, if any, connection he had with these four victims, all of which still remain mysteries. But Bill Thompson, the prosecutor in this case, actually sat down with Anjanette Levy of Law and Crime shortly after the plea and actually did say why they did it the way they did it. Here it is in SOT25. And he could have led you to the murder weapon. I hear what you're saying, Anjanette, and he could have. We don't know if he would have or not. I don't think it would have changed the ultimate outcome. Early on, when the FBI first came on board with this case, they sent agents from their behavioral analysis unit, their profilers, to work with this.

39:01And they told us that based on what they were seeing about the nature of the crime scene, the crimes themselves, that even if we were to get the person who committed these crimes to try to explain why it happened, that it wouldn't make sense to normal people like us. and that they really can't be trusted to tell the truth because people like this live in their own different world, which is completely foreign to what we as normal people understand and can process. So that was a factor as well in our thoughts. It's a cop out. So what do you guys make of that? I think that's a cop out. I think that they couldn't get him to allocute and they were worried he was going to talk crazy, which he probably was, but then they would at least have him under oath saying what happened.

39:50So when he files a motion like this, that's a lot more powerful evidence than him just saying yes to the judge's questions. You know, it's what if you represent Cole Berger and and the prosecution says, we'll give you a deal. We'll take the death penalty off the table. He pleads and he goes life without parole. And you go to him and say, OK, they're going to offer you this. But they but they're demanding that you allocate. They're demanding that you explain the crime and so on. And he says, I'm not doing that. Is that unusual to have the defendant say, like, I'll plead guilty, but I'm not giving any details?

40:22Yeah, I mean, what's so perplexing to me is every single case, maybe save two in 40 some odd years in federal court, you have to do a plea agreement that has a factual basis. And you have to negotiate the factual basis. You go back and forth between the prosecutor, between the client. You have an extended back and forth. I remember one case in the Southern District of New York. We went three straight times because we couldn't get the client to agree to the factual basis. Now, that's federal court. But in state court, you've got very similar abilities, especially in a capital case. you. So I assume that somebody had a negotiation.

41:12And if they had a negotiation, you say, that's fine. Here's our facts. Tell us, you know, allocution for those who don't know, basically means you have to say on the record what happened. And you could negotiate that beforehand. You can say, you can read, you can write it out. You can have them read it into the record. This happens all the time. That's what's so frustrating sometimes about these so-called high-profile cases is that they really don't bear any resemblance to what actually happens in a courtroom every day for decades. So what does that mean now? Do you think Bill Thompson actually is regretting not having him allocute because now he's asserting actual innocence?

42:00And while he does have that moment I played of the judge saying, are you pleading guilty because you are guilty? And he says, yes, it certainly would be a lot better if he's if we had Kohlberger on camera explaining exactly what he did and why. I definitely think he's regretting that, but I don't think he I don't think he actually had the opportunity to do that. My guess is that Kohlberger said, I'm not playing if I have to allocate. And that was never even a chance. They could not negotiate that because he probably said, nope, not happening. And then after the fact, the prosecutor's coming up with this great reason.

42:29Oh, this explains why I didn't have him allocate. But most likely it was a deal breaker for him. is there any okay let's just like entertain for a second the notion that kohlberger did not commit these crimes i know we all see the evidence it's plain as the nose on our faces but let's just go to the place of maybe he didn't do it is there any way for him to get a new trial at this point mark like if he's sitting in jail innocent and actually ann taylor while you know she gave it her best, was overwhelmed by the amount of exhibits being piled on her and did drop the ball. She didn't tell her client that there was exonerating potentially evidence that had just come in, the hairs, et cetera, evidence of a possible cleanup job that he couldn't possibly have done.

43:14I don't know, whatever it was. And also on top of that, made blatant misrepresentations to him about what his life was going to be like because she really wanted him to take this plea. and he was very much on the fence, but she talked him into it with her misrepresentations about what life without parole would look like and how horrific the death penalty cell would have been. And it was so much worse and whatever, whatever she said or whatever he's claiming. Could any of that be grounds to undo the guilty plea? So maybe Ashley can correct me, but I think that the idea that my lawyer described my prison life in rosier terms than actually has zero chance of getting any kind of traction.

44:01I can't even imagine that. In fact, I've often counseled clients that I don't understand why you're fighting so hard for life without your better death row. So but the the to answer your question, if there's ever going to be any traction and actual innocence, unfortunately, the state of the law in a lot of jurisprudences isn't good enough. I mean, there are the SCOTUS Supreme Court of the United States cases. Actual innocence doesn't get you there standing alone. However, when you have this unique situation where you have the victims saying, we didn't agree with this, we weren't part of this, I was going to mention before, it's reminiscent of how the Epstein scandal started.

44:54because there were a couple of guys, ironically, victims' rights lawyers, who invoked the victims' rights that they were not consulted that started to unwind the whole process. That's where we got to the Epstein situation that we're in now. So is this something that could happen, or is there a template for it? Sure, but I think this more resembles the Unabomber and Ted Kaczynski, where I knew that just like here, and I'm sure I think Ashley and I talked about this a while ago, that Ted Kaczynski, I knew was going to blame the lawyers for saving his life. And I knew was going to spend the rest of his days complaining about the plea deal.

45:40I knew that this had the same kind of resonate resonated with me the same way. And so I think it's more akin to that. And I don't think he gets anywhere. there's also the you know he's going to claim ineffective assistance of counsel i mean he is not you know sub whatever the official word is retardation iq this guy was getting a phd in criminology he knew what he was doing which will be held against him i think in this proceeding but he has first of all we we only know of a couple statements he's made actually first of all When he got arrested, the police said the first thing he asked was, was anyone else arrested?

46:20Which is very interesting for us in the court of public opinion on could there have been an accomplice? Secondly, when he was first arraigned, remember, he didn't even enter his own not guilty plea. The judge did it for him, so he wouldn't speak. But now he's super chatty to The New York Times. and in his little petition, now that he's sitting on death row, complaining about the fact that he doesn't have contact visits and he doesn't have the freedom of movement and employment he thought he'd have, the elaborate lies of death row that she told him. Who knows? And here is what his first lawyer, before he got Ann Taylor, he got a public defender named Jason Labar, and he did go and meet with Kohlberger back in December of 2022, right after he was arrested.

47:05He went on the Today Show the lawyer did after and said this in Sop 15. Has he reacted to the charges at all? One can imagine being accused of something like this and saying, wait, where did this come from? Why are they coming after me? Have you seen any kind of that behavior from him? It is a little out of character. He said, I mean, this is not him. He believes he's going to be exonerated. That's what he believes. Those were his words. So he's really been very easy to talk to, actually. And he's in a calm demeanor, like I stated. OK, putting aside the sin of that shirt with that tie, the lawyer is making a point there, Ashley, of actual innocence consistent with what Kohlberger just said.

47:54Right. And I mean, that's what he's he's going for, saying he's got actual innocence. But can he actually prove that? Because at this point, he's got the burden. And, you know, there's really two ways that he could win this. And one of them is proving manifest injustice, which is essentially actual innocence because we think it's unjust, you know, to have someone who's innocent serving a life sentence. But the other one is that his lawyers somehow were ineffective because he says they lied to him about the conditions. I think that is a bunch of crap, quite frankly. Nobody thinks they're going to go to prison and have contact visits and employment and freedom of movement.

48:27That is exactly what you give up when you go to prison, freedom of movement. Freedom of movement. You're in prison. Literally, that's what you're giving up. Freedom of movement, literally in contact with the outside world, like in employment. Also, well, also, I don't know if you have that side where Steve was interviewed last night. One of the things that made me smile is he said ineffective assistance and Taylor. He says, I wish we had and Taylor is the prosecutor in this case. So, yeah, I mean, yeah, I know. Good luck. She is. Look, my biggest takeaway on all this, I think you're right. It's not going to be granted, but I will say my biggest takeaway is I'm thrilled to learn how unhappy he is.

49:04It's it's wonderful news. He's really suffering in there. And I really think having covered this for the past year and have we covered all of his complaints. He didn't like the food. He didn't like the threats he was getting. He didn't like the noise other prisoners were making. This is about he doesn't like prison. Prison sucks. And he's a relatively young man. So he's going to be in there probably for 60 years and he's doing anything to get out too late. You had your shot. You muffed it. Guys, thank you. Great to see you both. Good to see you. Coming up next, Dan Wooten is here. Don't miss that.

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51:04Meghan Markle shares photos from the family's visit to Princess Diana's childhood home. And she finally gets her big moment in the spotlight for a brief moment on MasterChef Australia. And there's more on how Meghan and Harry are getting welcomed back into the good graces of Harry's father, King Charles. But before we get to all of that, we are looking at some serious incidents of Islamic terror in and around Europe. And our next guest is raising the alarm about it. He is Dan Wooten. He is the host of the show, Dan Wooten Outspoken. Dan, welcome back. How are you? Great to be here, Megan. I'm okay.

51:41Things aren't great here, though. Great to see you. No, they're not great, because we've seen now a terror attack in Berlin that happened earlier this week, right outside of the Pride Festival. Then we saw this attack in Paris yesterday with this guy running around, stabbing people with a knife, random women, three, one of whom was pregnant. And in case after case, we see officials, Dan, who refuse to say anything about Islamic terror. Meghan, they will not even use the word. Our foreign secretary would not use the word. London's Islamist mayor, Sadiq Khan, who spends all day, every day, posting on X about Donald Trump and posting about far-right terror, which, can I just say, if you look at the statistics, Meghan, is pretty much invisible in Europe.

52:33Yet they would not mention the word. They would not say Islam. And what we've seen over the past 48 hours is an extraordinary example of what Gadsad refers to as suicidal empathy. Because these LGBTQAA plus lesbian spirit animals, you know the type, the alphabet soup mob, who I actually can't stand despite being a gay man myself, have decided to blame everyone other than the Islamist. Megan, so they've made videos blaming Donald Trump. They've made videos blaming white men. We even saw a Labour MP, that's the ruling party here in the UK, Blame Nigel Farage and GB News, my former employer, for an Islamist literally ramming into the trans people who they hate, pulling out a machete and starting to stab them wildly.

53:24This man was known to security services in Germany. He was a well-known Islamist. He was free on the streets. And guess what? Megan, the German police were not even able to post his picture on X because of ludicrous data security laws in Europe. So we are killing ourselves and people are not prepared to talk about it. And the shocking thing is, is this Islamo-left coalition, as I put them, you've got the hardcore Islamists and the green nutters would rather see us die, would rather see gay people die than actually admit that there is a massive problem in terms of an Islamist invasion of Europe.

54:04and it's terrifying. I have an imam on my show this week, Megan, predicting that the UK will become a fully Muslim country and the centre of the Muslim world within two decades. And he also admits to me, Megan, that he has had private conversation with King Charles. Well, I'm sorry, I'm a monarchist, I'm a royalist, but King Charles is the head of the Church of England. Why does he keep defending a multi-faith nation? No, we're a Christian country. And again, I think it's relevant that I'm a gay man, but let me tell you, I've spoken to some ex-Muslims who were radicalised in the mosques of East London, Megan.

54:38They want to push gay men off the top of buildings. So I'm done. I'm sick of it. I'm calling it out. So too is Tommy Robinson. So too is Rupert Lowe, who's the leader of a new party here called Restore Britain to the right of Nigel Farage and Reform UK. And guess what, Megan? In the recent polls, they're surging to 7 % of the vote. I believe a political revolution is coming. If not, as Elon Musk warned, Last week, civil war is probably inevitable in the UK because we're heading towards a race and a religious war. We saw hints of that in Ireland earlier this summer, of course, when we saw the horrific attacks there on that poor man who almost got beheaded.

55:18And there's been it's been brewing in the UK now and in the in the wake of the rape scandal with, you know, the young girls who were raped by these immigrants and foreign born UKers. So this like keeps happening, Dan, this particular attack, the latest two were not in the United Kingdom, but they were in Paris and they were in Berlin. And we see the same pattern time after time where they refuse to say it's like they don't understand that if you condemn radical Islam, if you condemn this sort of Islamic violence, that you're not condemning every Muslim on Earth. You're not condemning peaceful, peaceful Muslims who, you know, may or may not be your neighbors, But they, too, need to speak out against this to distance themselves from this ideology.

56:02And what we're seeing in places like Paris is they've moved in, they've taken over, and rather than assimilating, they want the locals to assimilate to them. And when they don't, they wind up getting stabbed by some lunatic on the street. We've got the video of this man running around Paris with a knife attempting to stab women. Let's look at it, video one, right here. you see this man dressed in all white or tan. He's got a butcher knife in his right hand. He has another knife in his left hand and he's just casually running across the street. He appears to be running after a young woman looking for her.

56:39And then there is an interaction with a young woman where you can't tell whether he actually gets her or not, but it's deeply disturbing. And here you can, you can hear a witness in SOT1 account. I step out of my house. I hear a commotion screaming everywhere. I turn around and see someone with two large knives by the Clichy gate. They had already stabbed a woman, a young woman who was 19 years old. Then he walks along the tramway toward Avenue de Clichy. He goes up Avenue de Clichy a bit, still with his large knives. He crosses up the crosswalk and behind the kiosk, he attacks another victim.

57:16He was only targeting women and stabbed her in the back. And that's when me and two friends of mine stepped in. Basically, a friend of mine threw his suitcase at him to subdue him, really. So he dropped the knives. That's when my buddy came up from behind, swept his legs. He fell to the ground. And I moved in to hold down his legs and feet. And we put a chair on top of him so he couldn't move while waiting for the police. Okay, and here you've got that man who had the knives, Dan, saying, it is Allah who commanded me. And then per UK Times, a police source said the alleged attacker also told officers, Allah sent me to kill women.

57:55Then there is Fox News quotes. Let's see another translation of the exchange quotes. One man is responding to him. There is no there is no Allah, bro. So clearly they were discussing Allah. And yet notwithstanding all this, the police say they could not verify the identity of the attacker whose declarations were incoherent. and therefore they want us to be very careful before we actually declare any sort of a motive here. They have to be super cautious because he's a nutcase. Just as mental health, Megan. Aren't all of them - Always as mental health, you know? All the people who run around stabbing random people on the streets have a bit of the nutcase in them.

58:33That doesn't mean we can't determine motive, Dan. Honestly, Megan, I'm sick of this. We had an example last week in the UK of CCTV. from a mosque showing a man called Muhammad Bashir discussing with Jihad al-Shamid. Yeah, his name's Jihad. Maybe that was a good reason not to let him into the country. Okay, but we did. And guess what, Megan? He went and committed a terror attack outside a synagogue in Manchester. Two people died. But what we learned is that within this mosque, this other Islamist, this other jihadist who is alive and now in jail called Muhammad Bashir were discussing and plotting the terror attack of a massive military center just out of Swindon, a town in the United Kingdom within the prayer room of the mosque, Megan.

59:24And they were talking about finding the green birds. Now, all Islamic scholars will tell you that reference to the green birds is in relation to this concept of martyrdom. So I'm going to be honest with you, Megan. And this is coming from the perspective of someone who is in the UK, who has seen this takeover happen. I still broadcast from London for now, Megan, we are becoming a minority fast in the capital city of the disunited kingdom, as I now call it. And let me tell you, Megan, I'm a little bit sick of these Imams coming out and saying our mosques are peaceful places when we now literally have CCTV showing a terror attack being planned within the prayer room of a mosque.

1:00:04Unfortunately, Megan, a lot of taqiyah is being practiced by Islamists in Europe. This is the concept that you can lie. You can lie if it is for the good of advancing Islamism. So I'm not really in the camp anymore of like, oh, some of these mosques are fine because we don't know. And they're popping up everywhere. And in the UK, they're replacing churches. And let me tell you, there's no plotting of terror attacks going on in the back room of Church of England facilities. So for me, this is no longer with a religious piece. I know on your show, Outspoken, yesterday, you were railing about this and you put together a great soundbite of some of the insane reaction to what we're seeing.

1:00:50And one of them, one of the, we're going to play the butted soundbite that you put together. But one of them is taking aim at Christians for this. Like, wait, how are the Christians to blame? The guy's literally saying, Allah sent me. In both instances, you've got these obvious ties in one in Germany. This guy wanted to be ISIS. And now in Paris, this guy saying Allah sent me. But it's the Christians fault. Here it is. A panaply of muddiness here. He had links with the Islamic State militant group and was known to domestic intelligence. But the motivation for this attack remains unclear. We do not want this deed to be instrumentalized for political ends.

1:01:29We don't want any groups to be placed under suspicion for this. Trump is showing us how easy it is to stampede on our rights. And this is something that we have to avoid. We have to avoid it. What I can say is the people who were celebrating about this were all white men, young white men with crosses in their profiles. My immediate thought when I saw the news was that it was a right wing white supremacist extremist. To queer people, there's no real difference whether you're Muslim or you're Christian. There's no difference between Muslims and Christians when it comes to gays, Dan. I mean, yes, it's true.

1:02:11You can't get married in the Catholic Church. It's really not the same thing as running through Paris, stabbing everyone to death in the name of Allah. No, I'm Christian and I'm actually Catholic, Megan. So, yeah, I can't get married in the Catholic Church. Guess what? I'm OK about that. What I'm not okay about, Megan, is these Islamists who now surround me every time I leave the house, being taught within a mosque that it is okay to push me off the top of the building. I'm okay with that. But I look at those people and I just think, oh my God, they're straight from central casting, aren't they?

1:02:46You know, the mustache, the pink hair. They probably have a set to piercing. That Freddie Mercury wannabe at the end. Yeah. And it's like, I'm sorry, are you okay with your sisters being raped? by Pakistani Muslim men and then that being covered up. Are you okay with your mum being at risk of being killed at the local supermarket? I cannot understand it. I cannot understand it. And for me, this has just become such a fundamental issue because as I say, the Islamists are not trying to hide the desire to take over the United Kingdom. I mean, do you really think Americans would be okay if for the fourth year running the number one baby name in every state of America was Muhammad.

1:03:30Well, that is the situation we are in, in the United Kingdom. And it's like this willful blindness to not understand what's happening. And because of demographic change and just the reality of the Muslim people in this country, Megan, they are breeding like rabbits and white Christian people are not. So this takeover is not a fantasy. It's not a conspiracy. It is a demographic reality. and you're not allowed to fight for your own culture it's like if you say look i actually think it's good to have great britain be a christian country or america be a christian country you're a bigot if you say i don't really want to be taken over by muslims who view the world very differently than we do you're a bigot it's like you know what who cares you have to get to the point where you clearly are and i am too which is i i don't care if you're offended i have nothing against regular muslim people i have muslim friends they're darling absolutely darling They're not political.

1:04:27They're not that observant. I'm going to be honest. And there is a very clear distinction between your run-of-the-mill Muslim citizen and capital I Islam. Because it does come in with an agenda. And it includes some of the things that you said. And the more radical and the more political and active that they are, the more danger certain people are. Whether it's Christians or gays, what have you. Yeah, but this is, and this is not a, I mean, I completely agree with you, but this is not a fantasy anymore that we are at threat for talking about this. I mean, I saw your episode with my friend Alex Phillips talking about the assassination of Anne Whittakam, but I was also good friends with Anne Whittakam.

1:05:08You remember when I launched my GB News show, Megan, and I was very, very determined to bring a small pool of people who were going to be on the show every week. You were one of them and you very kindly agreed to do that from the launch of the show. But the other Megan was Anne Whittakin. And so we became very close over the course of my three years on GB News. She appeared on the show once or twice a week. You know, a bit of a grandmother figure, really, to me. She was one of the only people alongside you who actually stood up for me when I was sacked by GB News. And she is stabbed. I mean, I still find it difficult to talk about when I think of the reality of what she faced in those final two minutes.

1:05:48But she was stabbed 21 times. sorry sorry struck 21 times on the head uh with a hammer and megan do you know what if i was to tell you what i knew and i'm being very serious about this this is a fact if i were to tell you what i knew about the leftist who is alleged i mean we have crazy laws megan is alleged to have committed this crime i could be sent to jail in the uk for contempt of court we are unable even though you're not a party to the proceedings? Correct. Correct. They can gag regular citizens from speaking about the case and the way they want? Correct. Correct. That is shocking. And Nigel Farage is unable.

1:06:33Can you please email me the details? Because I'm not gagged. I can say whatever the hell I want. I'll say it on my program. Good. And we need this, actually, because there is a lot, and Nigel Farage, the leader of Reform UK, will tell you this too. There is a lot that we know about this man that we are unable to report in the UK. And you know what happens, Megan? This is all about information control. This is all about stopping the plebs or as Elon Musk described to us, the ordinary people of Britain who are now derided as far right. It's about stopping us getting angry, about stopping us taking to the streets.

1:07:11And you know, I am absolutely not a proponent for anything violent but there are aides close to nigel farage who have said this week that they believe the uk is one violent incident away from the country erupting so that is why they actually don't want us to know who is alleged to have that's why you hear that like some of the absurdities that you were playing from those people it's the fault of these christians it's white men who are celebrating this, really. And then the blaming the most absurd on Trump. There's here's a bit of that from this is an LGBTQ activist. I don't know. Is it Trump's fault?

1:07:54But here we go. Watch. If you know that there is a demonstration out there, if there is a pride celebration out there, yes, put on a colorful costume, but also maybe write a placard and hold it up and demand your politicians in your constituency to respect everyone's life. This is where we have to go to, because if I look at what's going on around us in Germany, in Berlin, in any other place in Europe, and especially also if we look across the ocean to the US, Trump is showing us how easy it is to stampede on our rights. And this is something that we have to avoid. We have to avoid it and we can if we stand together.

1:08:37okay dan i'm not sure how we get there i mean it is complete diversion the fact is though megan even when they are presented with the exact details i mean this guy that this islamist who drove into the pride parade had literally been associated with isis groups for years and the authorities didn't lock him up. They didn't stop him. And then you have Sly News. And every turn they gave him a pass. Yeah, every time, every time. And you have Sly News, which is just so people in America know, Sly News is our version of MS Now. It's owned by Comcast. So it's attempting to pretend to be a mainstream organization, but we know like with MS Now, they are political activists.

1:09:27And so you literally get into the situation where a reporter is saying, oh, well, you know, he had ties to ISIS. He had been arrested to this. He was a well-known Islamist. But we don't know the motive. I mean, it's astonishing. I mean, Allah sent me. Seems pretty on the nose. I'm not officially a detective, but I can get there. So what happens now? Because I know that there is a push by some to say all those immigrants who came when Angela Merkel opened the doors of Germany to anyone and everyone who then migrated everywhere throughout Europe. And it wasn't just Germany in her defense, but they were the worst.

1:10:08We're going to strip them of their, if they have dual citizenship as a result of coming here and trying to like, you know, get into the UK and get a UK passport, we're going to take it away. Like actually go back to Syria, actually get out. Like we don't want you in this country anymore. You didn't assimilate. You didn't join us. You tried to take us over and it's a no. So how is that likely to go? Because the UK is more woke than America and that wouldn't fly over here. And I just wonder how it's going to fly over there. Well, this is behind the surge in this party, Megan, called Restore Britain, which has Elon Musk's support.

1:10:45So he withdrew response from Nigel Farage. He described Farage as being weak source. Which is reform. That's reform. So it's reform and restore. It's a little bit complicated. But Rupert Lowe is pushing this concept of re-migration and this is being done in certain European countries to a smaller extent like Denmark for example you can see your citizenship stripped if you are for example going against the traditions of the nation and in the case of the United Kingdom you think of Axel Rudigabana the Islamist terrorist although the mainstream media who won't call him Islamist who you might remember, Megan, in a small town called Southport, stabbed three beautiful young girls to death at a Taylor Swift dance class.

1:11:33Now, he is currently, Megan, in a psychiatric hospital, very nice psychiatric hospital where he gets access to, you know, a gym and lovely facilities because he played the system and he got transferred from the high security prison. Now, there is a huge view amongst Restore Britain supporters that Axel Rudakabana should either be subjected to the death penalty. We don't have it in this country at the moment, but Restore has pledged a referendum on it, or be sent back to Rwanda. He was born here, Megan, but his parents are Rwandan. His parents are still in the country and being given full protection with a new identity.

1:12:12A lot of us believe they should be sent back to Rwanda too. For example, the terrorist I spoke about earlier, Mohammed Bashir, who is now in jail after being caught in a mosque, he has a Pakistani passport? Or why is he here? Why in 17 years is he going to be free on the streets of the United Kingdom? Likewise, the head of the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs in Rotherham, which you referred to, I mean, this is a shocking cover-up, probably the worst cover-up in British history, over 250 ,000 white girls raped by gangs of Pakistani men over decades, but the authorities never did anything about it for fear of being racist.

1:12:49He's free, Meghan. He is now on the streets and guess what pakistan doesn't want to take him back but there are things that could be done this country sends huge amounts of aid money to pakistan every single year well we're immediately cutting that off unless you take your violent criminals and terrorists back so whether it will actually happen is dependent on whether there is allowed to be this big political revolution that a lot of people see coming. And that's why Elon Musk has this week said, you're not a patriot if you fight against re-migration. So I guess it's this idea, Megan, of making re-migration mainstream.

1:13:30In the past, this is a concept which has very much been derided as being racist or being white supremacist in some way. But I think there is an attempt to rewrite the concept of re-migration because otherwise we are screwed. Otherwise we are going to be a minority white is this country within two decades. I would call it the Dorothy principle, Dorothy from Wizard of Oz. There's no place like home. That's how we feel in our country. We're about our home, how you feel about your home and how they should feel about their home. Sorry that you were born in Syria. Shouldn't have to be my problem or my kids problems or my LGB friends on this on the pride spectrum problem.

1:14:12We should we don't. I'm sorry, but we there aren't shared values. You didn't assimilate. We gave you a shot. You blew it or too many of your countrymen blew it. Either way, I don't really care. Don't want it to be my problem or my friends or my family's problem. Let's keep going because I know I only have you for a short time. Switch the page something lighter. And that's Harry and Megan. You say there's breaking news today out of the UK because a top aide or the top aide to King Charles is leaving. And there's a very interesting reason why. This is your reporting. Tell us. This is a huge story, Megan, and it is being completely covered up by the mainstream media in the United Kingdom.

1:14:51But I'm not part of the mainstream media. I'm not part of the royal rota. So I can tell you what is really going on. This is a man called Sir Clive Alderton, maybe not a household name, but someone who Prince Harry derided in his autobiography, spare as the wasp. He described him as the wasp. That was sort of the character he gave to him. Now, he has been King Charles's closest aide for two decades. He has quit. He is out. He will be leaving the royal household next year. They're trying to paint this in the mainstream media, oh, he's 59. He's turning 60 next year. It's time to move on. Absolute rubbish.

1:15:30You're young at 60 these days clive alderton it's ridiculous it's ludicrous clive alderton do you want to know the real reason he's out because he was trying to stop prince harry and megan markle from returning to the british royal family and when the king who unfortunately and you know megan i have huge sympathy of king charles he is battling terminal cancer as i have reported that is a terrible thing so i understand on a human level he wants to have a relationship with his youngest son he wants to have a relationship with his grandchildren. But it's not about that. This is about protecting the British monarchy from two individuals and Prince Harry and Meghan Markle who want to tear it down.

1:16:09And Clive Alderton was doing his damnedest to try and save King Charles from himself. And he is now gone. He's likely to be replaced by a guy called Theo Rycroft, who has made it his mission in life to bring Prince Harry back. It's something called Operation Thor. And it's been going on for the past year the british public keep on getting these missives oh harry's not really a bad guy he's doing this he didn't really mean the british royal family was racist he didn't really make the late queen elizabeth's uh last two years on earth while she was battling with terminal cancer and absolute misery and i'm sickened by it but megan it's happening it's on two developments on this over the past 24 hours we learned that king charles has now offered to hand Buckingham Palace to Prince Harry and Meghan Markle any time they want it when they're in the UK.

1:16:59First visit could be as early as September. They would be the only members of the royal family at all. I mean, I don't consider Meghan a member of the royal family. I guess Harry is by blood, but they would be the only members of the royal family at all staying in Buckingham Palace, the symbolic heart of the royal family in the United Kingdom. I'm disgusted by that. and King Charles has also invited Harry and the family to spend time with him at Balmoral over summer. The one big, I guess, block, roadblock in all of this remains Prince William and Catherine, the Princess of Wales, who at this point are holding firm, refuse to meet with Prince Harry and Meghan Markle on the most recent visit to the country, are disgusted by the fact that they shared these private images, including at the grave of Princess Diana.

1:17:45but unfortunately Meghan Markle is worming her way back. And you know, because we've covered this story for a long time, Meghan, she is only doing this because the money has run out. She has no love of this country. She hates us. She said she told Omid Scobie that weird little propaganda. She was never going to come back to this country. And it's only because the Netflix money has run out. The Spotify money has run out. They're hated by Hollywood. They don't get invites to the Met Gala or to the Emmy Awards or the Oscars that they want to worm their way back. And, you know, I struggle with this as a monarchist and a royalist.

1:18:24But unfortunately, Meghan, I think King Charles is making a huge mistake. And this departure of Sir Clive Alderton, I repeat, he's not a household name, but this is all about the mechanics of finding a way for Prince Harry to return to the royal fold. And he wants it. Harry wants it. The marriage is miserable. He wants to spend as much time away from that woman as humanly possible. I mean, who could blame him in all honesty? But this doesn't surprise me at all because you're right. Okay. Like, we do not want him. How do we get stuck with them? This is, he's a prince of England. You guys are, you should have him.

1:19:05If anyone has to be stuck with him, it should be you. But he, you're right about the Netflix deal. that she tried to spin that second season of her stupid show as like it was a renewal and it wasn't. And now, oh, there's not a third season. She tried through, I'm sure, either her agents or Netflix to get herself an Emmy nomination, a daytime Emmy nomination, which she did. Dan, let me tell you something. When I was at NBC, I was hosting that third hour of the Today Show. It did not go well. I got an Emmy nomination for that show. Now, my show actually was good. It just wasn't popular. It's ridiculous.

1:19:37It is a nothing burger. It is meaningless. She, I'm sure, is convinced this is somehow her way back. It isn't. No one cares. But Megan, this wasn't a daytime show. They run out of money, right? It wasn't a daytime show. What daytime shows have an$80 million budget and 100 staff members producing it? This was not a daytime show. It was a primetime, huge investment by Netflix, which they have now tried to repurpose as a daytime show in order to secure an Emmy nomination. Yeah, and it's failed. They got no viewership and Netflix. That's the reason they didn't renew any sort of a deal with them. And then, as you point out, yeah, Spotify, obviously, there's that famous quote with their top executive, one of them, Bill Simmons, wasn't it, calling them grifters.

1:20:22So, yeah, she hasn't been able to land any sort of a paying job. Her company, as ever, is reportedly doing poorly. So, yes, they go back to the one source of fame and money that they know will work. But I think there's something else going on at the same time, Dan, you tell me, because not only are all those things not going well, everything they turn, they touch turns to crap over here in America, but they're watching the air. They're watching Prince William and Princess Catherine. Everything they touch turns to gold. their star turn at Wimbledon. You see them on, they're like, I mean, I don't want to be too over the top, but there's something like, I don't know, ethereal about Princess Kate and their beloved.

1:21:10She nails everything. Her fashion is perfect, her class, and they're universally praised for their behavior, their choices, the way they interact with people. And I think these two over in Montecito can't stand it. And they're like, we want another chance. We can do it. Like we can fold in. We can be like them. We can have the same sort of accolades that those two do. You're completely right. But there is one other big factor I want to throw into the mix, which a lot of people miss out on. You know who Prince Harry is more jealous of than anyone in the world. And this is twisted, but he's a twisted individual.

1:21:49It's not Prince William. It's not Catherine, the Princess of Wales. It's his nephew. It's Prince George, because he is the second in line to the throne. He replaced Harry in the line of succession. And Harry knows there is a window because, you know, George just turned 13. He's about to start at Eton in September. His birthday is the day before my 13-year-olds. Oh, wow. Wow. Exact same age. You can see them grow up at the same time. That's quite sweet, isn't it? Totally. Whenever I see Prince George, I'm like, and he actually has a pretty good resemblance to Thatcher, my third. So it's actually super fun to watch them age because it's just a benchmark in time.

1:22:26Anyway, that was because I was pretty much identical age as Prince William. and he has five years harry knows that in five years time it is over for him because at that point prince george steps out of school becomes the most eligible bachelor in the world the most famous member of the british royal family and harry knows there is a small and closing window in order for him to be able to capitalize on the remaining fame and popularity he has now this is not a sort of theory. This is something that Harry has voiced to a number of allies and friends and biographers. So he knows that this window is closing.

1:23:11He knows he has five years. He also knows, Meghan, that if Prince William were to come to the throne tomorrow as King William, none of this opportunity for return would be there. So he's aware that there is a tight window, and it's a tight window for two reasons, that the health of King Charles, but also the rise of Prince George, because William and Catherine are very clear. They want Prince George to have a sheltered childhood. So even though we're going to see a little bit more of him in the next five years, Megan, one of the reasons that they chose to send him to Eton is because it's the poshest school in the country.

1:23:48It's where William attended, and it's protected. right? So it's in Windsor. They have massive police protection. I mean, one of my friends, actually, her son is there at the moment. So I know a little bit how it works at Eton. It is a very, very controlled place where even the parents, Megan, don't get the opportunity to just go and visit their kids. Everything is organized and structured. So basically for the next five years, we're only going to see Prince George in very small moments. Like William and Catherine are slowly introducing him. You might remember they took him and Charlotte to the final day of Wimbledon, but it's going to be gradual.

1:24:24They stole the show. And they did, didn't they? But we're not going to see a lot of him. I noticed, Dan, they left little Louie at home. Oh, yeah. He can't sit through a tennis match yet. Yet. He would have known more than J-Lo did. We wouldn't be celebrating America 250 if it weren't for a strong foundation set by the framers. Hamilton built America's financial foundation on the principle of sound, stable money, a principle later embodied by the gold standard. But we abandoned that discipline in 1971, infamously, and have since seen inflation erode the dollar's value. So what's the foundation of your savings?

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1:28:37Let's talk about the fact that Meghan Markle finally, her long awaited, oh sure, appearance on MasterChef Australia has now been released. When she taped it, it was so poorly done that it made news because there was an issue about how they announced her. Here's the sound bite, Sat 9. We've had MasterChef royalty in the kitchen before, but no one liked this. All the way from sunny California, please welcome to MasterChef Australia, the Duchess of Sussex, Meghan Markle!

1:29:28Oh, don't you know I'm Sussex now, Dan? She was so mad. She hated that woman who introduced her, Poe. And Poe is actually a big name in Australia. She's beloved. She came through MasterChef. So she started off as a contestant. She's now a judge, really beloved in Australia. So obviously Megan decided to hate her and decide that she's a real bitch. and she totally castigated Poe behind the scenes for having introduced her as royalty. But this is nuts, Megan, because, you know, the whole concept of Megan's guest appearance was framed around the idea of a dish fit for a duchess. So it's like, what?

1:30:10That's okay. But describing you as royalty is not. And by the way, again, no one's really pointed this out. Maybe no one cares anymore. But this appearance, Meghan, goes directly against the agreement that Queen Elizabeth II made with Meghan Markle, because you'll remember the Sandringham Summit was absolutely adamant in the fact that Meghan was not able to commercialise aspects of the British royal family. Yet my understanding, Megan, is she's been paid for this MasterChef Australia experience. She wasn't doing this for altruistic reasons. She's not donating her fee to a charity. This is straight money in her pocket.

1:30:47And yet she used her duchess title within it. So that is immediately a contravention of the Sandringham Summit. Okay, there was another weird moment that we've just gotten a look at that has some people talking online. And I actually share the view. Sot 5, listen, watch this. can I ask you please Megan what is your favorite dish to cook for the family that's a tough one it's a tough one because I have a lot of palates to appease my husband being from the UK loves a lot of meat potatoes cream sauce California girl I like grilled fish grilled meats lots of citrus I just like using really pure natural herbs and spices You know, again, if you can pull fresh herbs, like do you say herbs or herbs here?

1:31:38She don't cook. I'm sorry. She don't cook. It's weird. Even like I don't cook, but I've got like my five go to's as a as a mother of three children that, you know, I will cook. If you ask me that, I my answer would be lasagna. Everybody loves it. I've learned how to cook it. It's a crowd pleaser. Why? Why can't she name the favorite meal? I've got a lot of palates to appease. So does every mother on earth. What are you saying? Of course, obviously, you have more than one child. You do. But somehow we managed to find an option. And most mothers or fathers, if they're the family cook, would have it at the ready, Dan.

1:32:16100 percent. But she don't cook, OK? Because later in the show, she's asked to make something. Guess what she does? Pesto. So, you know, Megan, from your hilarious sort of version of With Love, Megan, with Maureen Callaghan, You know, all she does. Yeah, your parody. That's the word I'm looking for. All she does is crudités and dips and fruit. So she actually, she's a woman who has a cooking and lifestyle show, who sells cooking and lifestyle products, is appearing on a cooking reality show, but she doesn't cook. She makes dips with crudités. Because I'm sorry, that is the easiest question to answer.

1:32:53And she doesn't cook for Harry. Poor Harry. He's not getting home cooking from Meghan Markle, okay? I totally agree. And it was obvious when you watch her stupid show that her biggest recipe was the Martha Stewart recipe for one pot pasta, which she stole. It was very clear. If you line up the two recipes next to each other, they are virtually identical, which tells you a lot. OK, here she is and talking about the description on her website to read the original and the best. And so I think Martha Stewart knows that Meghan Markle stole it, too. Oh, she completely knows. Okay, here's her talking about what desserts she'll allow her children, Archie and Lilibet, in SOT 6.

1:33:56Nice, as my husband would say, pud after dinner. Oh, those poor children. If you can't pick it off a tree, you can't have it as dessert. Okay, great. Sounds like a lot of fun, Dan. She's that mom, isn't she? In fairness though, Megan, my mom is the most amazing woman in the world and I adore her, but she was a bit like that. My mom was the mom that when we had trick-or-treating, mom would say, we'll have a bowl of carrots. So I think Megan Markle is that mom. because here's the thing, Megan, and this is again a wider point. Markle doesn't like food. And I'm someone who loves my food. You know, Megan, I battle with my weight.

1:34:35I love my food. It's like my passion in life. And I can really pick out that Megan Markle doesn't like food. She loves to drink, right? She's a big drinker. She always has a cocktail in hand, always has a wine in hand. Again, not attacking that, you know, I like a drink too. But I genuinely believe she is not a woman who likes food, who enjoys food. food for her is some type of weird social status thing. And so, yes, those poor kids, no one wants to go out and forage for their dessert. I know every time your mom's sending you out into Europe, make sure we get it on camera too. God forbid we do anything that's not on camera, including, you made a reference to it.

1:35:14We had a report that, you know, when the Buckingham Palace day didn't work out for them on their last visit to meet with the king, They, you know, we were supposed to shed a tear for them, Dan, but they actually wound up staying at the estate of Diana's brother, Charles. He's also Charles, Charles Spencer, which almost puts Buckingham Palace to shame. So we're supposed to feel super sorry for them. But this guy's estate looks like Downton Abbey. And there was a question about whether while there, because that's where Diana is buried, whether while there she would dare try to get a photo op somewhere near Diana's grave.

1:35:53And it appears she did it. She posted pictures online of her two children on the estate. We don't know exactly. I think Diana's buried near a pond or a lake there. But we know very well what she's telegraphing with this shot of her children on that particular estate, Dan. And there's been a lot of reaction to this suggesting she can't go anywhere. She's a disaster tourist. She can't go anywhere where that doesn't bring up a tragedy where she doesn't insert herself or in this case, her family right smack dab in the middle. Oh, I think this is just the start, too. I mean, there's number one. There's absolutely no doubt that was taken at all thought because she has propagandists in the U.S.

1:36:36media, largely People magazine. and they confirmed that that picture was taken at all thought. And they are briefed directly, by the way. I mean, People Magazine has admitted that Harry sometimes emails them direct. So that definitely is confirmed. That picture was taken at all thought. But what I think is particularly awful about it is that, you know, Archie and Lily, the two children, I don't call her Lilybette, Megan, and I don't use their princely titles because Lilybette was the late Queen's nickname. She never wanted Megan and Harry to use it. and I don't actually think they are genuine prince and princesses.

1:37:09So just explaining, that's why I call them Archie and Lily rather than using their full titles like I would for other members of the royal family. Yeah, so this is the first time that I've ever been there. And the fact that Meghan not only decided to get it on camera but post it says a lot about her. But my belief is that this is just the beginning. They need money and they still have a first look deal with Netflix and Netflix has been very interested, Megan, for a long time in a documentary. And you can't blame them. It would do massive numbers. A documentary on Princess Diana. Oh yeah, if it's about the royals.

1:37:44Yeah, and it's, well, it's the 30th anniversary of Diana's death next year. Now, I don't know about you, Megan. That was a huge moment in my life. You know, we all remember. We all remember where we were. We're a certain age, we all remember it. And Harry, and you know, I don't agree with Harry on virtually anything, but this is, but I'm always going to be honest if I do, and this is one area where I do agree with him, Harry doesn't believe the full story has been told about Princess Diana's death. So if he is prepared to make a documentary for Netflix where he goes through some of that, obviously it would be a massive blockbuster.

1:38:18And the deal that they have with Netflix and Ted Sarandos, Megan, means that they have to offer it to Netflix first. It's like what the Obamas have. It's like a first look deal. So effectively Netflix has the right of refusal. But what I believe the executives want in order to push up the price is imagery of the family at Althorpe, at Diana's grave. I don't believe that they had like a professional camera crew in tow, although there had been some reports from Alison Boshoff in the Daily Mail and Tom Sykes of the Daily Beast that they were actually going to take a professional crew. But my understanding is that actually what they did is use their mobile phones.

1:38:58And this was something that was very successful for the first Netflix documentary. Do you remember when Prince Harry was on the freedom flight? You know, they're coming out of horrible Canada, you know, awful Canada to come to the US, the freedom flight. And they're sitting on the private jet and like Harry's panning around, you can see Doria there. But that was just on the mobile phone. So I don't believe they needed to have a professional camera crew, but that's why they were so desperate for this visit to take place. It wasn't to see the king. This is the thing. People keep forgiving these guys.

1:39:30They don't care about the king. They don't care about his mental health. They don't care about the British royal family. They don't care about the British people. They care about money. And so they need proximity to royalty, but they also need this imagery of the children at Allthorpe. So my educated guess is what I would say, Megan, is that we're going to see a lot more of those kids at Diana's grave. That was the starter. I mean, do you actually think that Harry is so cynical that to get his next Netflix deal, he'll do a tell-all about his dead mother? i think it's likely yeah uh because he feels that he was i mean i'm using the oprah term right silence he feels he was silenced by the british royal family and by the establishment over the death of princess diana he admitted that in spare his autobiography so the thing is megan he's failed on a lot now so he's lost his court case against the british government you know for the extra security he's been thrashed in his court case against the daily mail that costs hearing is coming this week i mean the cost megan could go to something like 67 us dollars and sure there's insurance but insurance sorry 67 million dollars yeah uh insurance ain't going to cover all of that so i think he needs a new battle because he describes himself as a dragon slayer you know he wants to see himself as someone who's taken on the establishment obviously this is all an an irony given he is the establishment like harry you are the most privileged guy on earth shut up about white privilege because if there's one person who does actually have it it's you you're a member of the royal family yes you're the walking embodiment of it you are the exactly you're the embodiment of white privilege but do i believe he's cynical enough to do it yes because he does feel like the true story of princess diana's death has not been fully told well i I mean, if he's going to go blame it on the paparazzi, we've heard that line before.

1:41:38I look forward to him discussing the drunk driver. Wait, I've got to ask you about the Oprah comment you just made because she recently spoke to that moment. Were you her overacting? Were you silent or silenced? Were you silent or were you silenced? The latter. OK, very nice. I don't think I've done it since. I don't know where the hell that came from. Whoop. Okay. I thought, Dan, that that was actually a very telling exchange because I think Meghan Markle's on the outs with Oprah. Oprah didn't say anything nice about Meghan when given the opportunity. She didn't tout that interview, which was much promoted.

1:42:26She just kind of made fun of herself for that gesture and moved on. And of course, it was a massive fail for Oprah. She let Meghan Markle get away with lying about the royal family. We now know there was no follow-up. It was actually quite pathetic. It was two actresses acting for the camera. But what did you make of that Oprah moment? Oprah Winfrey is embarrassed. She's mortified. But it's too late. Your legacy, Oprah, is that interview. And what was so interesting, this was a Vanity Fair thing, right, where she watched back highlights of her career, like the, you got a car, you got a car, you got a car but actually what do we remember oprah winfrey for the fact that when she had an opportunity to question megan markle about shocking and we now know untrue allegations i knew they were untrue at the time so did piers morgan so did a lot of people but untrue allegations she did nothing and in this interview megan her defense is that that was a follow-up question well you're one of the top journalists in the world i'm sorry if megan markle says you i've been silenced what do you say you say oh wow who buy who buy that's terrible exactly right silence you was it sir clive or they wanted you to kill yourself they allowed you to be suicidal without getting you help who specifically she refused to do it because she wanted to pander she just wanted her big exclusive and she may oprah made a fool out of herself and gave the one of the biggest liars in public life a complete unfettered forum to tell to spew her nonsense so yeah you're right They both were humiliated.

1:43:56This is not a follow-up question. Thankfully we're onto them. It's not a follow-up question, Oprah. That, it's not. No. Maybe we didn't learn that on the set of the Oprah Winfrey show. Dan Wooden, always a pleasure. Everybody check out Dan. He's an independent journalist now. I knew it would work out. His show is unspoken. Thank you so much, Megan. Thank you for all of your support right from the start. Thank you, Dan. Dan Wooden, everybody. Tomorrow we are going to have an NR Day National Review right here at the MK Show. and we will be diving deep as Anthony Fauci returns to Capitol Hill over his own objection.

1:44:29He tried to avoid this. It's been two years. I can't wait to see Rand Paul this go around. Stay tuned. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.