Lindsay Clancy Wants a PARDON, Plus Violent Leftists as Charlie Kirk Anniversary Approaches, and the Future of MAGA, with Victor Davis Hanson | Ep. 1393

29:36Even the worst example we can think, the horrific Goebbels, the monster of history, and his wife who killed their five children on his orders. but she at least took sleeping pills and did it in their sleep which was horrific but she didn't look them in the eye and you think what were they thinking in those last moments as this mother their source of comfort and nurture was strangling them and then this whole thing about suicide as you pointed out there there's a lot of discrepancies whether it was really intended as suicide. So this isn't a class all by itself. And it comes at a time in our society.

30:16I mean, if you were a male, I was thinking when you were talking, Megan, about Chris Kyle, the American sniper, he befriended this guy named, I think his name was Ruth or something. And he said he had post-traumatic stress dins. And then he turned the gun at the gun range and killed, killed this American iconic hero. But I didn't hear a lot of people rallying to his cause and say, poor man, he's not. I mean, he was obviously, and he was obviously more deranged than I think had prior evidence of more derangement than in this case. But there was absolute furor about that. And people said, that's no excuse to kill somebody like this, murder somebody that befriended you.

31:00And so the whole context was, this was not warranted. But it didn't apply in this case, that mothers have a particular role to be nurturing and protect children from people who would hurt them. And when they turn out to be the culprit for their demise, it's almost medieval. And then when you see these feminists, or whatever they call themselves, cheering this on and trying to make a movement out of it, the message, I think, if that were to take hold, would be to young males who are already confused in this weird era of ours. You better be very careful who you date because you may, if this catches on in the fashion of Luigi Mangione, you may, and I think there's a lot of parallels that we see, you may meet somebody who doesn't really believe that you're a partner or responsible or have a say in the raising of your children.

31:56And if she were to become depressed after birth, you better be careful because the society at large is going to give her an exemption if she were to do something to the children. I think that's the message from it, whether it's... Yeah. I think that is. Sadly, yes. And this won't be the last, I'm sorry to say it, but this woman in Illinois, she won't be the last. It's like this new idea of how to manage a challenging child has been introduced by this sick case of Lindsay Clancy. And mothers out there who are struggling, who before wouldn't have even considered this, have now added it to the menu of coping.

32:42It's just very, very dark, and we're going down a dark path. And so that Tim Cruz, the DA in Massachusetts handling the Lindsey Clancy case, really does need to be careful. He needs to be careful of not setting the wrong precedent here because he is not an activist on the street. He's an elected official who we, the Massachusetts residents, hired to do a job, which is to put criminals behind bars and keep the citizenry safe. And that includes the youngest and most vulnerable citizens in his jurisdiction. You know, the children who are absolutely helpless. It's not too far afield from this growing blessing of violence that we are seeing on the left.

33:31And as we, you know, it's today is September 8th. And in two days, it's going to be the one year mark of Charlie Kirk's assassination. it's so hard to believe that it's almost a year victor you know i was sitting right in the set when we got the news and so much has happened over the 12 months it's been extremely emotional i think for all of us who knew charlie and a lot of people who just felt that they knew him anyway as we head into this week you've got these vile ghouls i really hate to give them airtime but they should be publicly shamed. Vile ghouls already celebrating, forgive me, they're calling it the Kirk-a-versary.

34:18And I'll give you one example here. This woman's name is Heather, and she's got a song she's putting out here in celebration of this one-year mark. It's out 23.

34:37Conviction, I'm a man who doesn't know how to steal a contradiction. You come and go, you come and go. Come, come, come, come, come, come, chameleon. You come and go, you come and go. Okay, so this woman has 18 ,000 followers. That post has 1.2 million likes. And for the listening audience, what she posts on it is, she writes, getting my playlist of songs that remind me of Charlie, ready for the Kirkiversary party. And, you know, the words are, I'm a man without conviction, a man who doesn't know how to sell a contradiction. You come and go. And then in the middle of the video, she pretends to shoot to get shot in the neck, as we've seen some disgusting characters do.

35:42And we could be here for a while if I played all the ones, Victor. Well, Hasan Piker, you remember, he led his audience in a song celebrating Charlie Kirk's death. And then he's been mainstreamed, at least until recently, by Democratic candidates. And it comes, as you say, it's the Luigi Mangione phenomenon. on Donald Trump is the first president in U.S. history that the Secret Service had to return fire at a potential assassin on four different occasions. And I went back when I was writing the book and looked at the reaction to each one of those. And it was glee. It was glee that the attempt was made, but it was disappointment that it wasn't completed.

36:22And it wasn't just fringe people. There were a lot of people on the hard left that came forward, celebrities and everybody. and it's lowering the bar on the acceptable and what's so strange about it megan is when barack obama was president if you you remember this i know there was a clown in the missouri state fair and he put on an obama mask and that he had done that with other presidents nixon mask clinton mask but the left got so enraged and they said this threatens barack Obama's life. And they banned him, not just from that fare, but they banned him for life. They banned him for life. And there were editorials everywhere that America's a sick society because, but he didn't, he didn't even approach ever threatening violence to Obama.

37:11And it's, it's so one-sided and asymmetrical that I don't even know that the left is even aware of it. They've mainstreamed it so much. It's on college campuses. It's deeply embedded in the democratic socialists. And I don't really don't think the democratic socialists for that matter are absorbing the democratic party as much as being invited in and just adopting what was their prior agenda anyway. I don't think there's much difference. They keep saying there's a big difference, but most of the agenda of the democratic socialists was already enacted or tried to be enacted or was promoted by mainstream Democrats.

37:50So this is not necessarily a fringe anymore. It's getting more and more mainstream. And in Massachusetts with this other case, I think most of the people at the time believed Bill Clinton that he said that abortion should be legal but rare. And he had limits on it. But when Massachusetts just signed that abortion law it said in theory, but there will be actual cases, despite the Gosling experience, that you can abort a baby in the birth canal. People were cheering. You know, this wasn't, there's no restriction on the life of the mother. I mean, if a person decides at the last moment when the baby can see life out the birth canal and you're going to kill that baby, at least you would think.

38:37That's a very good point. You would think that there would be, it was cheering. It was this Mangione Clancy mentality that there's something. It's a death cut. Is there such a difference between killing, as you point out, basically in the birth canal versus killing when you have an eight month there like little Callan Clancy? I don't think so. Not really. I don't think, though. And then you think of the sick society where we spend billions of dollars to refine the science of saving babies at 23, 25 weeks now. And we put all that investment in it to save a little baby that can be saved at premature that nobody ever thought would be possible at five months.

39:17And then that same society allows you to kill a fully formed, viable baby at the last moment. And nobody objects in this state. They're all cheering. And it's a sickness that I think we're missing. And it's infected the left, and it's getting worse and worse and worse. And it's a death call. So they really do. We saw it first. And when I wrote the book about Trump, most of it's about the fall of him, what they did. And I could not believe I went over. I went through all the people in the military who just said things that were horrific, that he was the same as people in Auschwitz. and that he was Mussolini, that he was Hitler.

40:07And then all of this, how to shoot him. Robert De Niro, let's beat him up. Snoop Dogg, let's shoot him. Kathy Griffin, let's behead him. Let's light millennia on fire. Peter Fon, it was so, Madonna, let's blow up the White House. There was no replica, and everybody thought it was neat. And now that is orthodoxy, that you really want to kill somebody you disagree with. especially if they're effective and they want to undo the progressive project like Charlie Kirk. And they're very smart. The problem they had with Charlie was that he was a real visionary, and he understood that youth are naturally rebellious.

40:49And he said to them, I want to channel that rebelliousness into reminding you who is the orthodox establishment. It's the left. They control the universities, the media, the corporate boardroom, popular culture. they are the ones that are making things hard for us. So you can be a revolutionary or you can be a dissident and you can be conservative because they are the establishment. And that was something the left had never really experienced, that they were old fuddy-duddy reactionaries, which they are in some sense. And that's why I think all of these have a political motive and we kind of forget that.

41:29We think they're crazy or Luigi Mangione, But you take a deep breath and you think, well, Charlie Kirk's gone. And in those two or three states in the 2024 election, you can make the argument that his get out of the vote and registering young people made the difference in places like Michigan. He was a very heroic figure. And he's gone now and he's not going to be replaced. I don't see anybody on the horizon that has that talent, at least not yet. And so nobody talks about that that killing really made a difference in for, I think, for years in the political landscape. If he was there right now in the midterms that are coming up, he would be the one person that would be saying, let's not be pessimistic.

42:20I know these are socialists, but let's talk about what we're doing right. And he would go out and blanket these key races. and he's not there and there's nobody that can take up that slack and that's it's true it's one of the reasons why people who are more conspiratorial don't think tyler robinson killed him because charlie was just so valuable to the republican party to maga to trump that it would be natural to think who else benefits you know who else would benefit from silencing that voice because he was so powerful but but he also i think we also we don't we're afraid or we don't want to talk about this whole trans phenomenon, which historically, if you look at sexologists of the 19th century, they coined the word gender dysphoria.

43:08There's common examples in antiquity, in Catullus, for example, of Petronius the Satyricon, of people who cross-dress and think they belong to the other sex. But it's always considered very, very rare. And this idea that It's 10 % of the population. And then when you inject drugs and all of these things that we talk about, hormones, these dangerous drugs that usually the left says are too dangerous and physicians are overreaching, now they have the opposite view. And then you look at the percentage of trans shooters in mass shootings. It's way overrepresented. Disturbingly high. And then you can't talk about that.

43:48By the way, I want to say. You can't talk about it. You can't say it. I'm done using the term trans. Done. I will say someone is gender confused. Sometimes they genuinely are. Sometimes they're faking it. But there's no such thing as trans. That's not a thing. You can't transition your gender. We've been engaging in this fiction for too long. We've been playing their game by using that word. That's a made-up word to describe something that is a mental illness for which people deserve compassion and empathy. and support, not to transition themselves, but to get comfortable with their own natural God-given body and biological sex.

44:29But I think the proper term is just that person's gender confused. It's a man who's gender confused. That's it. There's no more trance. I'm not using that word anymore. It's made up. But I agree with every word you said. And that too, the anger in that community, the violence in that community has been unleashed on too many unsuspecting americans already children and adults and national treasures like charlie and um easily explains the violence that we saw nearly one year ago today yeah i i just don't think we know we appreciate that we've been in a cultural a real revolution and when you look at some of these democratic so what they've been saying about, I just got you to your country, and the only thing that's going to save you, we're going to have to have mandatory reparations, or we have to fundamentally change the United States, or you don't know what you're doing, we're going to get rid of your electoral college.

45:26We've never seen anything like that, of first and second generation immigrants from failed societies coming over here and reciprocating our magnanimity with contempt for the structure. Like Ilhan Omar? Yes, absolutely. And then we say to her, they're completely asymmetrical. So we don't. Go home. Yeah. Stop. Like, you love Somalia so much. Go back there. No one here wants to make the United States more like Somalia. But you say things, and I've done a lot of criticism. I said to him about Mondami, he used the word settler colonialist. I said, OK, if you want to make that argument. But what are you?

46:05You're from the 1 % in India that controls 65 % of the GDP. and you were a child of privilege within a state as a non-indigenous person on Lake Victoria and the child of two PhDs. And then you went to South Africa. Your parents did to find opportunity. But you don't have roots in a particular. And if you used your own vocabulary, you would condemn yourself as disproportionately expropriating wealth in Uganda. Or what's Hassan Piker, a multimillionaire? Or what's, you mentioned Ilya Omar. We're not even allowed to say that Saeed Barry murdered 200 ,000 of his own people in that civil war between Somalia and Somaliland.

46:51And her father was a colonel in that army. And the reason that we have so many Somalis in Minnesota and elsewhere is that when that genocidal, and that was a genocidal dictatorship, fell, most of its adherents got out. And they got out either to Europe, but a lot of them in the United States. And we're not even allowed to talk about it. When she starts accusing our country of all these sins, nobody says to her, well, we accepted you because your father and your family were tied into a government that killed over 200 ,000 people, butchered them. So you should be very careful. I mean, we used to let memigrants in, and then in the 1950s and 60s, we found some of them were prison guards or had Nazi associations or went death squads, and we stripped their citizenship and deported them.

47:45We did that dozens of times. So that's what's... I mean, that's like all these foreign foreigners who are here at our universities after 10-7, celebrating the mass murder we saw in Israel, celebrating the murder of babies and the elderly. And Marco Rubio said, you need to go home now. That's you celebrating murder is not consistent with our foreign policy or our views here in America in a way that's going to keep fellow Americans safe. And that to me still makes sense. Like, why would we allow foreigners, whether they're in Congress or elsewhere, people who have come here from other countries but have serious roots in a foreign country, to try to change America to be more like these other countries and their values?

48:40That'd be the same as telling me or my daughter we can't wear a tank top when we walk down the street because it's going to offend some radical Muslim man. Go home. If you don't want to see that, you should move back to Saudi Arabia or UAE, wherever. Go back to where that actually is a standard. UAE is a bit more modern, but whatever. I think a lot of our problems we're having with Europe and Canada are not, we're chauvinistic or we defend them, we subsidize their defense, we run up huge trade surpluses, we're trying to help them, but they are not as competitive or they're not the countries we used to know.

49:18And one of the reasons is in Canada, 45 % of the Canadian population was either not born in the United States or their parents were not born. And they have their centennial initiative they brag about that they want to get 100 million people in the next 15 years, so that they are 20 years through immigration so they can challenge the United States and be a big power. And the same thing with Europe. They're open borders, 16%. And the problem is that they are bringing in people from Latin America, Africa, and Asia with enormous needs for health care, food, shelter, education, legal. And there are socialist economies that are completely unarmed, and they won't honor their defense promises for the most part until recently.

50:08Canada may or may not have done it for the first time last year. they can't do it because they have a socialist green new green deal energy policy a socialist closed economy and they want us they want us to subsidize it by running up huge deficits with them on trade with that's right spending in the last 15 years if you look at the aggregate budget of defense spending in europe versus the united states it's a seven trillion dollar difference that we invested. And a lot of that went to protecting the West. So, you know... And by the way, when, you know, the Prime Minister of Canada tries to play tough with us now because of this tariff war, there's no gratitude.

50:49There's no like, you know what, thanks for... It's like, there's just bitterness and anger that we've now decided it needs to be more fair. Victor, I gotta put a pause there. I do want to talk about this, but I have to go to break. We'll have more with VDH. Before we go, let me mention his new book, The Counter-Revolution, the fall and rise of Donald Trump and the MAGA movement. Get it now. When it comes to supplements, there are two things that matter, that it works and that you can trust it. Rather than just tell you about Relief Factor, we often bring you what their real customers have to say.

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54:31We have an update from a story in our first hour. Lindsey Clancy's attorney, Kevin Reddington, sat down for another interview after his ABC interview with Stephanopoulos. This time was with CBS Boston's Christina Rex. And she did ask the question that Stephanopoulos failed to ask about the fact that a U.S. president, even this one, cannot issue a pardon for a state crime. So why is her lawyer asking President Trump for a pardon. Watch. Here's the exchange. As you noted, the president took note of your case. And on Good Morning America this morning, you asked him for a pardon. But Lindsey's facing state charges.

55:13So a presidential pardon isn't an option here. So what's the goal there? The goal is pretty simple. It's to seek help from Trump. I mean, if President Trump feels that this is a case that warrants that type of intervention from, you know, the executive branch, if you will, even though legally it's not a federal case, he certainly has an awful lot of clout. And I'm sure that, you know, were he hypothetically to reach out to Tim Cruz, you know, they're both Republicans, you know, and I don't know, maybe, maybe that will be something that Tim would listen to and consider. I think any type of help that we can get is helpful.

55:56Okay. So he's been informed between the Stephanopoulos interview and this one that Trump can't issue a pardon for a state crime. I don't think he knew. I'm going to be honest. I don't think he knew. I think he genuinely just learned that today. I think he was today years old when he learned that. I don't know because now it's changed to I just want his clout. Why wouldn't you have just asked for that? Why wouldn't you have just said, President Trump, I see you've weighed in on this. Sure would be grateful if you'd reached out to Tim Cruz. and suggest to him that we should go easy on Lindsay or that we should put her in a mental facility as opposed to behind bars.

56:31Why wouldn't you say that? Why would you ask for a legal remedy that is completely inapt and unavailable to you? It's very strange. I think he had some sort of a mental freeze. I don't know what it was, but that answer there does not clear anything up. It's basically an admission that he understood he was wrong in what he was asking for. That's not available to him, but very strange. I'm not exactly sure what's going on there. We are back now with Victor Davis Hanson. He is the author of the new book called The Counter-Revolution, The Fall and Rise of Donald Trump and the MAGA Movement. I love that.

57:10It's not the rise and fall. It's the fall and rise because, of course, that's what we have seen with Trump. I just want to say, like, in reading part of the book. This is so good, Victor, because you're exactly the person to write this book. You do not have Trump derangement syndrome. You're fair. You understand the Republican Party, like the factions of it. And you write the following in this book. He's the only ex-president to have been the target of some 91 local, state, and federal criminal charges. The only ex-president to have his home raided by the FBI. The only ex-president to have been targeted for ballot removal by some 25 states, the only ex-president to have been impeached twice, and the only ex-president to have been tried in the Senate as a private citizen.

58:00Yet only Trump could have avoided the vast majority of convictions and escaped all jail time, overcome four years of daily political obituaries, and as an elderly septuagenarian, out-campaigned and outworked presidents and candidates 30 years younger. No Republican has ever been so caught up in melodramas and so successfully survived them and turned them to his political advantage. That is the enigma of Trump. And yet you wrestle in this book with even conceding all that. What's the future of MAGA without Trump in office? And this is something both his detractors and his most ardent supporters would love to see answered.

58:45Yeah, well, I think you could start, and I say that. I don't see us going back to the old Republican Party, and I supported it, you did too probably, of the Bushes and John McCain and Mitt Romney, because they were more political, but their idea was we have to slow down the progressive project. The universities are lost, so we'll try to deal with them. We know that media is biased. But if you had said to any of those people, no, these people want to destroy the United States as you know it, and NPR is a joke, and PBS, I'm going to try to defund it. Or I'm going to try to say these universities are ripping off for 50%, 40 % sure charges on federal grants.

59:35They're going to go down to 15%. I'm going to tax their endowment. I'm going to make sure that people have First Amendment, Fourth Amendment, Fifth Amendment, Sixth Amendment rights on campuses. And I'm going to go after these people who defund the police. We're going to have police in Washington. I'm even going to try to fix the monuments and fix the White House veneer. I'm going to try to do all. I'm going to close the border. I'm not just going to close the border. I'm going to try to deport three million people. If anybody had said that, they thought he was crazy. So I think he saw that the Republican Party, either through bad policies or just emphasis on tax and regulations and not the middle class that was the victims of globalization, that muscular classes, especially of all races, that wasn't their constituency.

1:00:26They were voting for Obama, and 8 million or 9 million middle class conservatives did not vote in 2008 and 2012. So that was his message, and I think that's now orthodox, that if anybody comes along and says, well, we're going to go back to George H.W. Bush, free trade, no worries about it. It's going to make us more competitive. Our trade surpluses on their behalf are not sustainable. So let's, I don't think that's going to be viable. I don't think it's going to be viable to any of that stuff. So the question then is, you know, Trump trolls people, but he knows he's not going to run for a third.

1:01:07He can't constitutionally. He knows that. So it's going to be Vance is the head runner. He's a brilliant rhetorician. I think people said when he was appointed vice president, what are you doing? He's a white male like Trump. He's from an Ohio red state that's Trump's anyway. What's the bargain? And everybody in the Trump camp said, wait till he deals with the media. You won't believe what he does. And he did that. Well, the other thing about Vance was he makes Trump assassination proof because he's just like Trump on virtually all the issues. So it's like you can't give Trump's assassins hope that if they get rid of the top dog, they're going to get something dramatically different in the number two position.

1:01:53And I tried to point that out in the book, and I said, this is one of the few vice presidencies that is a force multiplier of the president. So when Reagan ran, people thought he was too radical, so we're going to get a kinder, gentler George H.W. Bush. And the only thing that was comparable was Dick Cheney and George W. Bush. They were kind of alike. But usually— That was way scarier. Yeah, yeah. And so usually you try to balance the people a little bit, but not with Vance is going. He is a mega person. So and Rubio has magnanimous. And Trump chose him within a couple of days of getting shot in the ear.

1:02:33He did. It was like at that point, I really I know that Trump, one of the main arguments was you can't pick somebody who to your to your detractors would make them feel like. if we can just assassinate Trump, we'll do better with this other guy. It has to be somebody who they believe will enact your agenda with or without you. And then Rubio has said that if Vance runs, he will not run. I think that's still operative. But both of them had fiercely opposed. I'd had a talk with J.D. Vance right in 2016 when he wrote that op-ed comparing Trump to Hitler. and I remember Marco Rubio in the debate with Trump.

1:03:17You remember a little Marco exchange and all of that. So they both, they both. I was there. Yeah, you were there. So you can't say either one of them is a Johnny come lady or, you know, that's there. And I think that Ron DeSantis is a great candidate and all that. But right now, I think there'll be a rivalry and we'll see what happens. The only thing, and this will be controversial, there is a growing split. It's not like the Democratic split. And there's nothing like the anti-Semitism of the left. But there is a growing split in the Republican ranks. And J.D. is trying to finesse that. And Rubio is quiet about it because I think he disagrees with it.

1:04:01And I don't know to what degree that is going to blossom. But at some point, he's going to have to. Well, Rubio is more popular with the neocons, but he doesn't want to lose the support of the more non-interventionalist win. And JD is more popular with the non-interventionalists, but he doesn't want to lose the support of the neocons. I mean, no Republican, whatever, you can get the nomination by just having one or the other, but you can't get the presidency with a divided Republican Party. You have to have all the Republican Party and then some in order to win. And the problem is that for J.D., as I see it, who has made, you know, he said, I don't want to be told to whom I can talk to.

1:04:50Fine. But some of the people like Marjorie Taylor Greene or Thomas Massey or sometimes Tucker, they say things when you say you want to impeach Trump or he's satanic or Marjorie Taylor Greene has said she prefer or you prefer El Saeed. They say things that are almost as if I'm not saying they are, but they're almost designed to put J.D. into a dilemma. In other words, they keep. Well, I think that faction that faction that you just mentioned sees J.D. as in a dilemma. Yes. They're not trying to put him in one. But they genuinely think some faction of them that that he should have resigned after the war in Iran, like that he he shouldn't have stayed.

1:05:32And that and that's going to come back to haunt him when we get into Republican primaries. Well, it depends. It depends on the denouement. So if you had I mean, I don't know what's going to happen. The problem with Iran is nobody knows what's going on inside because the first war, we've had no international media on the ground. We've had no ground troops. We've had no embedded reporters. All we know about is cell phone people who are calling out. And when they call out, they're rounded up. And there's been thousands killed after the 45 ,000 every day. So we don't know. But if there were to be a popular dissent and they go out on the street again and this new strategy, which I don't know why it wasn't implemented on day one.

1:06:17I know. I know. The economic pressure seems to be a great tactic versus what we were doing. The anaconda strategy is – I mean we've never done this with secondary boycotts before. So we're telling nations – Just I think the audience knows this, but just in case you don't know this, we've you know, the Iranians continue to try to tempt Trump back into fighting. They really would like the war to escalate. They realize how bad that is for the world, for America, for Trump's political chances. And Trump has gotten smart on this and has realized this isn't a good idea. And there's no winning a war against Iran unless we go full boots on the ground for which there is zero appetite in America, maybe two percent of the public.

1:06:57That's never going to happen. So he's ratcheting up the economic sanctions on them now. And by all reports, even amongst the far left haters, it's working. It's working a lot better. And the Iranians are feeling the pain that the, you know, the mullahs, the IRGC crowd. And they're going to try an October surprise probably a week before the election and have a whole volley of missiles that are carrier. They'll do that, obviously, because they want a reaction, as you point out. But if they can squeeze them and there is widespread support, and there is, I think people realize the people are on our side.

1:07:29And if there should be another demonstration, but this time successful. And I remember when the Berlin Wall fell, two years it took the Soviet Union and six months for most of Eastern Europe. That could change everything. Because for all the talk about forever wars, that he will be criticized, and endless wars, and all the misadventures in Afghanistan, 20 years, and the combined dead in Iraq and Afghanistan of 7 ,400 dead and over 50 ,000 wounded. We've had about 300 people wounded and 17 dead. And we spent about 75 billion. 18. 18. 18. Yeah. 18 said the president yesterday. Well, yeah, I didn't see that yesterday.

1:08:16But so in terms of if you can, that country with 93 million people and its size and its scientific traditions, it was the main problem with the Middle East. It doesn't, forget Israel or anything. Terrorism in Europe, its missiles could hit all, they were going to blackmail Europe and us. and if that stopped and flipped to a pro-western government like we're seeing in latin america that would really change things and you can see it in latin america people did not like the maduro thing i think that's why trump that's what trump believed for some time over the past year i don't think he believes that anymore i think he understands he's dealing with some tough mfers who want nothing more than just to make us suffer.

1:09:07I think he realizes now. And we've engaged with them in a way that has allowed that to happen, unfortunately, with these oil prices and their control over the Strait of Hormuz. And look, Trump, every president has to learn things for himself. It's kind of like just being a human. Sometimes there are things you have to learn for yourself. And even if somebody else tells you, can't trust these guys, they're not gonna negotiate in good faith. These are not good people who will respond to the normal, you know, stimuli the way other world actors will, even like a Kim Jong-un has. You know, I think Trump believes in himself so much that he thinks he can overcome any obstacle or any douchebag on the opposite side, which is both his superpower and in this particular instance, a negative.

1:09:56No, you can't. A negative. You can't talk with these people. These people are. You can't talk with them. they're incapable of telling the different kettle of fish yes they're a theocratic zealotry and you can't talk but you can squeeze them into poverty and and that's what that's what we're doing we should have done it on day one but i think they were afraid you know to have a secondary boycott and all that or they thought it would be quicker but you know when you look at latin america there were 32 nations in the caribbean central america latin america and when trump came into office or the last year about i think 75 percent of more anti-american and non-democratic and now there's only six there's just six countries you know it's colombia venezuela el salvador argentina chile bolivia peru they've all flipped and the only real are Nicaragua and Cuba are the only real ones that are problem and Paraguay maybe and Mexico Mexico it's not going not not going so well down in Cuba no and I mean that's a radical revolution and it means that we don't we're not the bad Yankee imperialist that that these are grassroots consensual because they saw the United States was was not going to let Canada take over the Panama canal and they were not going to let maduro keep sending drugs and two million illegal aliens in the united states which he did many of them yeah yeah and he they were acting on china's behalf so if that that could flip the middle east it's a very i mean he took an enormous risk before the midterms but we don't know about that but getting back to jd at some point though he's going to have to have a strategy that can reconcile these two groups because the Republicans have a very thin...

1:11:49I got to be honest, I'm not looking forward to this. I'm looking forward to what's going to happen on Team Dem to watch their infighting and see who's going to emerge because it's a true mystery over on that side who's going to be the next nominee. I really hope that Trump just hands it to J.D. or Marco, either one of those, whatever, but that he makes it clear he doesn't really want a bruising primary. I hope so. And that he passes the baton. And because the Republican Party is not in good shape right now, it is divided. Even Trump's own coalition is less supportive of him than it was a year ago.

1:12:24We just pulled the numbers that he's down 14 % amongst Republicans versus last August of 2025. He's way down with independents. And we just, like, Team Red cannot afford a bruising extended primary fight. It would be much better, even though it's an open election year, if they could somehow find a way around that by having the current big dog endorse the next person. And I think he will do that. Not too soon, because this is the apprentice host, but I think he'll do it eventually. I think the short term is maybe bleak in the sense that 39 out of the last 41 midterms, the end party loses seats.

1:13:02And when they have less than, I think it's 20 or 15 seats, they'd lose the House, or less than four margin, they'd lose the Senate. So the statistics are, and maybe redistricting or maybe, but they're going to be in a tough fight for the midterms. But they were given a great gift by the overt Democratic Socialists of America, all of these people coming out of the woodwork and really telling people what they're for. Let me ask you a question. I agree with you. These people are radical. And but but my I just want to talk about whether you you are right. I don't know the answer that they've been that the Republicans have gotten a big gift by them becoming the nominees like El Syed in Michigan and so on, because they're pulling up like El Syed is up over Mike Rogers.

1:13:52That guy, Tony Jackson in Maine, he's up over Susan Collins right now. He's he I think he doesn't officially associate with DSA, but he's there's an affiliation. But my point is simply they seem to motivate a faction of voters that might not otherwise get to the polls. You know, there's been like a general disgust with the establishment Democrat Party. And I'm not defending any one of their radical policies. Don't get me wrong. I'm just talking about sheer politics now. You know, whether that's a net plus for Democrats or a net negative. But you have to put in context. context i i did an interview and a person got very angry because i said el saeed was going to have a close race in the primary and he was up i was quoted nine ten eleven point lead and the same thing if you look at the last two elections of susan colin she's down from four to six points on election eve and so what i'm getting at is we know now that the democratic party does the following their pollsters and their most of them are all liberal except for one or two exceptions.

1:14:59Harvard-Harris had Donald Trump beyond the margin of error losing by four points on election night, and he won by a point and a half. The Des Moines Register, the gold standard, had him down three points, and he won by 12. So Saeed was up by 10, and he won by one. And so I'm not sure that the Democratic parties look at polling different than we do. They look at it is to create momentum and donor contributions up until about the last two weeks. And then they get panicky and they say, we can't lie anymore because we're going to be totally disgraced. So we're going to make it close. We'll say it's three or four points.

1:15:41So I don't put much, but I do, I don't think this, I think they'll keep the Senate. I'm not sure about the House, but they were given it. Did you see that news today? There's just news today about the Senate, which is not great. We don't, I mean, this, whatever. It's only September 8th, but I will say just today, Decision Desk HQ, which is an aggregator of polls, posted this on X. The Decision Desk HQ forecast now has the U.S. Senate as a pure toss-up for the first time since early June. The average seat outcome across one million simulations remains a 50-50 tie, which would be a narrow win for Republicans because J.D.

1:16:20Vance would cast the tie-breaking vote. But the modal outcomes for the Senate are now about equivalently 50-50 tie and 51-49 Dem. Cook Political Report has these same six states as toss-ups. And then they go through. In Maine, they've got—these are all toss-ups under Cook, but the Dems win, according to these projections. Maine, 52%. The Dem, Troy Jackson, wins over Collins. Texas, 53%. Tallarica over Paxton. I just threw up in my mouth. Ohio, 54 percent. The Dem, Sherrod Brown over incumbent John Husted for Vance's old seat. Alaska, 58 percent. Dem, this Mary Peltola over incumbent Dan Sullivan, who, among other things, is dealing with two other Republicans on the ballot against him, one of whom is also named Dan Sullivan.

1:17:12so there could be a splitting. And then toss-ups, but GOP win. They've got Iowa going that way. And lean down, they've got Michigan. El Sayed over Mike Rogers for now. So that's unsettling, but it's still kind of, it's just got a couple more months. Yeah, I mean, if you look at where Trump's popularity is now, it's not that different than Obama, Clinton, and George Bush at this time. So historically, he's got a... Or Biden, Biden wasn't popular. Biden was more unpopular at this time. And Clinton had a disastrous midterm, and Obama had the second worst after Roosevelt's check in 1938. So historically, all the odds are against the Republicans.

1:17:56They have a little bit of edge with redistricting, not as much as they thought, and maybe the Supreme Court might give them racial gerrymandering, one seat. So it's going to be very close. And the tragedy of it is that if you look at the long term with the foreign investment, and I wasn't looking at the short term, but I mean, even this 160 ,000 jobs were created. Most of them were not government jobs. They were in the private sector. But I think the deregulation and Scott Bessant is right. And when the war is over, there's going to be a surplus of oil coming out of Russia and Venezuela and us.

1:18:36and the price will go down and the foreign investment is there, maybe not what Trump says,$15 trillion, but maybe$10 trillion. And more importantly, I was looking the other day, Megan, at software companies, digital media companies, satellite launches, space investment, and military defense companies and software worldwide. worldwide 10 top based on either market capitalization or downloads or usage depending on and bioengineering in every single category the america's american was either american companies with their nine of the top 10 or eight of the top 10 and then when you look at gdp i went back and looked at what people said 15 years ago that by 2020 to 25 china would have a larger gdp than we did.

1:19:33China has four times the population. It's$10 trillion smaller still. We're$31 trillion, they're$21. The EU has 100 million more people than we do. They're$21 trillion. And so this country is really on the right track. It's just, I think, partly they neglected the midterms. They're not talking about that crime is at a historical low, or they closed the border, or they've deported 3 million people or any of that. But even inflation, Biden averaged 5.2 % over inflation. And then I was listening, I thought, wow, this is really bad. Trump is going to get almost 3 % inflation. Then I looked at 1.9 % the first year, probably 3 % this year.

1:20:24They say lower, but it'll probably be at least three. But that's a lot lower than 5.1 and almost 21 over the aggregate. You know what it is, Victor? I think they're worried about talking about that because they don't want to sound out of touch. Like, you're fine. Things are great when they know people don't feel that. And part of the problem is, and I didn't realize this myself until I sat down with a couple of very smart financial people who were explaining that inflation that jacked up those prices is here to stay yeah i think that was the most once biden jacked it up 21 those prices went up it's it's like it's impossible then to turn it you can turn down the rate of inflation which trump has done but that inflation that was baked into the prices under joe biden is baked in and there that was handled badly though that was in part that was handled yeah well it's in part the republicans own fault because they promised that they would fix it i And they did promise that they did.

1:21:21And they should have defined what. So that's what people wanted. Yes, they should have defined what fixing meant. It said we're going to lower the rate radically, but there's no way we can undo 20%. And when you looked at housing, rent, insurance, staple foods, cars, it was 30 % and power. So they said we're going to come in and we're going to fix the inflation. What they should have said, we're going to half inflation. And that would have been a notable. unnotable. It's the same thing with Joe. Yes, and to say, look, it's kind of like what Javier Malay did in Argentina, where he said, I'm going to have to do the following 10 things.

1:21:58It's going to cause this amount of pain. Please bear with me. And he did. But Trump could have said that. There are some things I can control and some things I can't. I mean, this doesn't sound like Trump. He's a salesman. He likes puffery. He likes big problems. He doesn't like the measured, like, well, that I can't do. But I think that they could have and they still have time so i i got an argument with the other person so we can't buy a house under trump so i thought well okay i'm going to look at this so i flipped up my phone and i said what is the percentage of home ownership under trump versus biden and obama 62 is the historical average it's 63 so it hasn't changed much it's still as good or bad as it was under Biden or under Trump.

1:22:46It just stays there at 62, 63 percent. So, and the same thing with inflation. And then I asked myself, well, if crime is at a historical low and house, labor participation is a little up, actually, it's about 65 percent, 64 percent. So that's good. And we have this jobs report. And when you look at our GDP compared to Europe's per capita GDP, or Canada. It's not even close. Why aren't they talking about this? I don't mean rah-rah talking about it. Just say, take a close look at these are what we've done, and this is what these people want to do. They want to bring back the whole Biden agenda, but on steroids.

1:23:30But they're not - That caused this problem to begin with. And they're not getting that out. And they don't even say, instead of Pete Hexeth getting in these fights with the chief of staff of the army or whatever, and it's always misinterpreted or deliberately confused in the media, he should say, we came in and our military was defunct. We were short 46 ,000 soldiers. We have completely in one year got 50 ,000 people out of the woodwork that are now enrolled. We have no recruitment problem. We have a problem that we have excess soldiers. This was the biggest revolution in military recruitment in our history.

1:24:07But nobody says that. In other words, they just keep, I understand it's a counter-revolution. They keep hammering, but they need to take a deep pause and consolidate and say, this is what our agenda has achieved. And yes, they need to talk about the socials, but they need to talk about what they have done. And not in a raw law, everything is great and there's no inflation. just say, this is what we were confronted with, and this is what we did, and this is what's going to, we think, happen. The only person that sort of does that in an analytical, confident way is the Secretary of the Treasury, the sound.

1:24:43He's pretty good. Scott Besson. Yeah. He's very good. He's very good, and they need to do that. And part of the, I think, part of the problem when I wrote about the first half of the book about the fall. I didn't realize the extent to what the left was doing. And one of the things that Trump will be remembered for is radically changing the Democratic Party. This is not, and I grew up in a family of Democrats. My siblings are all Democrats, but this is not Bill Clinton's Democrats, much less Harry Truman. This is something new that we haven't experienced in a long, long time, maybe in the Roosevelt 32.

1:25:26These people, they were socialists. And when you look at the Democratic agenda, it's so crazy to say that the socialists are trying to take over. If you look at the socialist agenda, what they said, almost everything except defunding the Pentagon and getting rid of the Senate has been already enacted by who gave him the idea of destroying the border mass amnesties packing the court getting rid of the electoral college bringing in two new states getting rid of the filibuster defunding the police endorsing the black lives matter in 2015 it was keith ellison that held up the antifa handbook when he was deputy of the democratic party uh hikam jeffries uh he already he didn't even endorse andrew cuomo he endorsed mondami so the democratic party had gone socialist and they'd act biden's agenda was pretty much the same as what the dsa want with some minor differences so this is a very hard left democratic party it's not you really can't deal with it and they want to do things with immigration and crime and criminal justice and the universities that will make this country unrecognizable it is almost now i'm speaking from being in the university the university that i work at is has bears no resemblance whatsoever with the universe that i went there to get a phd it's just a foreign climate.

1:27:03The people are... Sad. Yeah. My faculty were all... The faculty that I had, they were mostly European philologists, but they were all left-wing, and you never knew it. They were all professional, disinterested, wonderful scholars. And the students were liberal, but they didn't bring in politics, and they were tolerant. And that's completely gone, and the scholarship is completely mediocre. And can I just say something? One of the things you hear from any academic about Charlie Kirk is they hate, hated Turning Point's Professor Watch. They had a Professor Watch section on their website for this purpose.

1:27:43Charlie wasn't doing that when it was, you know, just normal liberal professor teaching a normal class, but happens to have a different worldview than Charlie Kirk. That's not why that was born. It was born because these radical professors who mean to take your child and turn him into a Marxist who hates you. Bill Ackman was on this show and he told us about his daughter having that happen to her at Harvard. I'm not making this up. This is actually happened to another set of parents I know who we ski with. That's why Professor Watch was born. It's not like, oh, you're a lefty who pushes leftist dogma.

1:28:26It's actual indoctrination, radicalization of kids who are there just to get an education. They've gone so far that he had to respond. I talked to him 10 days before he was killed. I did his show and he called me back. We talked for about an hour and his whole point was that he was being attacked because he never went to college and yet he was at a college. And he made the argument to me, I wouldn't be able to do very well at the Oxford debate, which he did wonderfully. He did. And I wouldn't be able to go on campus and debate these PhDs if they had been from the old school. And I said, you're absolutely right.

1:29:02You've got to remember that Stanford, Yale now give 80 % A's, Charlie, and they have remedial math. So you go and get a brand on your body that says BA, it means nothing. And you're an idyllic, so you take the Hillsdale courses, Prager stuff. He was really a self-discipline. He read, he would call me and say, what do you think about Spengler's decline in the West and all. He was reading, and I said, you are better educated than I see most undergraduates with BAs from good schools. So you can go out and you can debate and you're better educated than some of the professors. And that's what he understood.

1:29:42And so I got to the point now that if you think, where does all this stuff start? It starts in the university for half the population. We're not having a problem with the working muscular class. I live in an area that's 95 % Hispanic. There's no socialist here. Maybe their kids might have to go to the university, but they're all working independent contractors. They're hardworking. They're all legal that I know. They're assimilating. And they don't have those neurosis of this 85 % of the DSA or white, urban, upper middle class, but downwardly mobile people with non-marketable sociology, psychology, public policy degrees.

1:30:22With advanced degrees. Yes, and they rub shoulders with very wealthy people in Boulder and the Upper West Side, and they think, I'm as glib as that guy. I know as much as that investor, that doctor, that lawyer. I should have the same compensation, and they're angry. but the university has been a total you know i think 1.7 trillion dollars in debt so they could raise the rate of tuition twice the annual they could raise the tuition twice the twice the rate of inflation that that that what i'm getting at i guess megan is that there were all these problems and i thought that romney or george w bush or mccain would address them and they kept getting worse and worse and worse and nobody talked about them the university reform maybe reagan was the last person that did but the you got to give trump credit that he came in and he said the border was ruined it wasn't open it was ruined and we're going to deport people we're not going to just give them amnesty we're going to try to we're not going to we're going to go after the criminal justice system we're going to go after the universities we're going to go after the media we're going to go after uh traditional architecture we're going to try to we're going to go after the smithsonian which was an atrocity for every time i went there it was disgusting so it was a multi the kennedy center did you say that that's another one absolutely and everybody said he's crazy it's in perfect condition the ceiling started to fall the other day so i'm and it was so it was an institution for leftists now they they're like oh trump and rick grunnell tried to make it you know You know what?

1:32:04Trump was trying to tell the right half of the country, you are welcome here too. Yeah, I was walking across the last time I was on campus, a person who's very learned from the left said to me, I can't stand Trump because he's changing the name of the Gulf of Mexico. I said, well, we have the same amount of coastline as Mexico does. But I said, I walked to work at the Hoover Institution Tower, the iconic tower. I have an office at the top. I was gone one week and I came back and I thought it was weird. I didn't see the street signs. And it was always Junipio Serra Plaza. And all of a sudden it said Stanford Plaza.

1:32:45And I thought, what happened? And one of my assistants said, well, Junipio Serra in the 18th century whipped Native Americans. So the students got very angry and the faculty. And we changed the name. I said, we changed the name. there's no more Earl Warren Legal Center at UC Boat Hall. And he said, what do you mean, Boat Hall? It hasn't been Boat Hall in years. He was a racist. And so they were the ones that, what I'm getting at is they did all of these things. They used lawfare. They tore down statues. They changed names. And in that process, they destroyed all the norms and protocols. And then Trump came in and said, I'm going to wage a counterrevolution and thank you for destroying the protocols because now I can do that in reverse.

1:33:31And then they said, only we can do that. You can't do that. That's right. That's what happened. And I think what he's doing is he's winning the counterrevolution, but he really needs a better media team. I really do, to accentuate what he's trying to do and what the agenda is and what the logic is behind it in kind of a tragic sense rather than just to combat it and just say, I didn't want to do this. I don't want to play this role. But if I don't do it, nobody else will. And we won't have a country. We have 50 - That's a very good point because Trump himself is not, he's not out quite as much as he used to be.

1:34:10When he was on the campaign trail, by necessity, he was everywhere. Now that he's president, he's busy. He's got other things he's doing. And we don't see as much of him. And we don't see another proxy of his. They need a proxy. To the extent we used to see Trump. By the way, did you see Trump has brown hair now? It's actually, I was amazed. Trump's hair is brown. He, I don't know what that. Well, whatever you say, but if you notice that Trump never, he never, all these socialists are wiping through their social media accounts, wiping them out, El Saeed, Hassan, I didn't say that. And what Trump, all of his embarrassing things he's said, he doesn't ever say, I didn't say that.

1:34:54I didn't mean that. I don't think there is anything embarrassing. No. I don't think the president gets embarrassed. No, he's authentic. Whatever you say about him. But wait, what do you think of the brown hair? I must know. I got to say, I kind of like it. I do too. He commented on it, didn't he? He was making fun of his own hair the other day. He said it blew off. And he said, you got... I don't know. I saw that. And I was like, is that actually Trump? And then the next I saw him, he was wearing a baseball cap. So I was like, uh-oh, maybe he doesn't like it. But I like it. Yeah, he mentioned it.

1:35:18He said, everybody thinks I'm bald, but the wind blew. and there was still hair here. I am here to tell you, I put my fingers into Trump's hair. It was 2010 or 11, I want to say. I was interviewing him and I asked him if it was a comb over. And he said, it's not really a comb over, but it is real. And he invited me to stick my hands right in there. And I did. And I kind of pulled it a little. It's definitely Trump's hair. It's in his scalp for sure. It's not a toupee. I just think we don't realize that of the extent of this counter-revolution that he is trying to undo 50 years of political, economic, social, cultural, military progressivism.

1:36:13and he's in the middle and 360 degrees are calling him, you know, Nazi everything. They're trying to kill him, some people. But he's actually making progress. You can't see it right now, but he is making progress. Oh, no, I see it. I can see it at Stanford University. I can see the new president is completely different than the last president. And that's happening around. And the students, they only, Megan, they only let 8 % white males in the last four years when they junk these. That is so absurd. That is so offensive. And what's even worse about it. It's the United States of America. I know.

1:36:49And the worst thing about it was if you were a white male kid, let's say from East Palestine, Ohio, and you worked really hard and you had a perfect SAT, you were not going to get in because there was only enough slots at 8 % to let in wealthy people and athletes. And so when you walked across campus, you didn't see any males really from the working classes. They were very wealthy minorities or wealthy, entitled white kids that had pool. And now they reintroduced the SAT. They promised that they would not use race as a criteria. And we'll see this next year. But they only did that because Trump threatened them.

1:37:34And the same thing with the researchers. I talked to people off the record. Did you really need 45 % overhead? No, we didn't. We said we did. But could you get by with 15 % or 20 %? Yes, we could get by, but don't talk about it. So it's a, I don't know, it's kind of like the reaction against the Jacobins. It's a counter-revolution that we've never seen. I can't think, except Reagan. Reagan tried to do the same, but even in a more limited fashion. I hope you're right, and I hope it stays that way as I have three kids who are going to go off to college in the next, you know, depends on the child, but let's say two to ten years.

1:38:13Remember what you have to tell them, Megan. I think they've been adequately inoculated against this. I don't think my kids are going to come back Marxist to me, but I don't want them to have to deal with it. I'd love for them to just let their minds flourish and not be on guard against professors. Send them to Hillsdale College. Yeah, or I'll just send them to you. They can sit at the Hoover Institution, and you and Ayan and Neil Ferguson, you guys can help them. I tutored a lot of kids, their parents that did that. Wonderful people. Just remember to tell your children, I said to mine when they went to college, if you come home in Thanksgiving and you're unrecognizable, please don't come home because I've seen it.

1:38:53You won't be going back. You're going to pay for it. You're going to pay for your own torture. So you go, yeah, it's indoctrination. It's scary, too. Yeah. One of my friends said when their kid came home, you may think that you're now a limousine liberal, but you're not going to be a limousine. You can just be a liberal. That's it. Because we're not paying and supporting that. One thing is that 34 % of the people now have confidence in higher education. It used to be 65. So what they don't understand is that I think this is really valuable. Going to Harvard or Yale or Princeton or Stanford doesn't mean anything anymore.

1:39:32I don't think it does. Or teaching there or being affiliated, not in the way they used to be so snobby, because they have deliberately. Wait, can I tell you a stat I just saw? The average Harvard graduate 10 years out is earning$85 ,000 a year. The average plumber in America is making between$63 ,000 and$70 ,000 a year. So if you're in a nicer community, let's call it$70 ,000. So that's a$15 ,000 difference. You don't become a Marxist. You don't have to spend a million dollars on a degree that probably won't do much for you. You don't have to wait those four years to start a family or start putting down roots.

1:40:18It's like when it's that close, when the numbers are that close, college has rendered itself irrelevant. And that's a Harvard grad. I'm sure the numbers are a lot closer when you go down to, you know, regular schools that don't have the ivy crawling. I don't think people realize that revolution that you taught. I have had I have lived in a hundred and seventy year old house, one hundred and sixty. So I had a guy come over to do gutters, Mexican-American guy. He had a company, but he was the only employee. And he had a machine that he actually made his own gutters. And he was self-taught. He's been in the business for 20 years.

1:40:56He's probably 40-something. So I was watching him. He was like a surgeon the way he did it. So I just said to him afterwards, we had lunch. And I said, could I ask you a question? How much do you make a year gross? You know what he told me? He said, I had a bad year. I only made$240 ,000 net. That was after his materials. And then I know all of these former students I've had at various colleges that will call me, and they have very impressive degrees. And they're making$50 ,000,$60 ,000 in high-cost states like California. Those are Al-Sayed voters. Yeah, especially with student loans. So the university is really the core of it.

1:41:39And I didn't... Well, like you said, I think... Let's hope it's getting back to the way it used to be, because truly, I hope we can get back to the point where we respect Harvard and Princeton. I do, too. They're very essential, especially in the STEM. Just get back to teaching. Don't indoctrinate. Yes, I think so. One last footnote, Megan, when you mentioned Carney, how ingratitude. Carney's too chill. He says all this anti-American, elbows out, blue of the national anthem, We're going to gin up pan-Canadianism, so the Quebec people and all that in Alberta. 95 % of his investments are in America, and two of his four children were Harvard and Yale graduates and live in the United States.

1:42:25This is a guy that had three passports until he would become Irish, British, and Canadian. And he lived in the United States for a while. So he's trying to gin up this hatred of the United States when he himself is a total hypocrite. And the people are going to really suffer when this gets going. Because we haven't known, you and I, everybody doesn't know Canada, but so what. But once they gin up that hatred and it gets into the American media, people are starting to get angry about it. And when they read that he won't disclose the details and he's closing up to this murderous Maoist government in China, You know, it's going to be bad, bad, bad, economically.

1:43:06It was a bad decision by him. It's terrible. Listen, all of you can and should read more about all of this. This is basically the theme that what we've been discussing here today in Victor's The Counter Revolution, the fall and rise of Donald Trump and the MAGA movement. Get it now and support VDH. Great to see you, my friend. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having me again. And we will see you all tomorrow. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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