New Details About PAST Pretti Encounter with ICE, and Michelle Obama's New Barack Complaints, with Ruthless | Ep. 1239

28:19Right. Right. Like that's not their job. And so it at some level, if you have governors and you have citizens who are opposed to the rule of law, how do you have a country with these people? And so here's the thing is, I think specifically what we've seen unfold in Minneapolis and in Minnesota is under the command of that corrupt governor, Waltz. He's essentially told the police step back and let the mayhem happen because what the left, we just discussed how these people are vapid and they aren't concerned about, well, you've had billions of dollars of fraud. You've had murders committed by illegal aliens.

28:59You've had all this crime that's committed by illegal What the left is fundamentally now operating on is feelings and images. So they want to put out an image of a child standing next to an ICE officer. They don't want to talk about how the father abandoned him and they contacted the mother and the mother has refused to pick up the child. Yeah, but there's a lot of people. That's right. There's a lot of people who just see that headline or they're on Instagram and they see the child. It's implanted into their dumb brains. And there's 20 percent of the population that is that only goes to that surface level of the thing.

29:33And the ultimate goal there is just drive down the polls on supporting, you know, strong borders. It's working. And it works. And so Walls allowed the mayhem specifically. And he ordered people get out there with the cameras. I want you to film because he thinks this is all a joke. He knows the left loves this like money train that they have going from all this corruption where Keith Ellison's gotten money from from people who have now been convicted of. of being part of that Minnesota fraud. So they see this as a money train. He said, get out there, get me some good looking footage. I want to see something that we can put on Instagram that we can have Hollywood people put out.

30:07And now you're starting to see that, okay, we got the footage that we needed. If you muddy the water enough, your own culpability doesn't come to the fore. Yeah. And now we have, I don't know if we call it detente, but President Trump talked to Tim Walz yesterday. They agreed to take down the temperature that President Trump seems to be suggesting if they would just give us the criminals in the jails, we'll leave. That's not right. I'm sorry, but that's incomplete. That's actually not all that we want. If you ask me, the American people favored the removal of, yes, criminal illegals, meaning illegals who have committed additional crimes.

30:50But what about the ones who are not sitting in the jail? What about the ones who are still at large? I want them caught. I want them deported. I'm not OK with just getting rid of the ones who are in the jails. And secondly, the vast majority of Americans before this operation started wanted all illegals deported, whether they'd committed a crime or not. And I'm still amongst those people. I want them gone. I don't want this. If we stop at just the ones who are in the jail, then this whole operation has worked. Then we have shamed the administration out of doing what it was elected to do. and it will be repeated in other blue cities to keep it limited to just the criminals who have been arrested so far, if that's the actual understanding, and as with anything, it's less than clear, as it's like a true social post from which we're supposed to glean policy, then it's not good enough.

31:35I mean, I'm all for taking the temperature down, but not by bending the knee. This is an operation that is just and has majority support, or at least it did, prior to these leftist tactics. And I understand we need to take the temperature down in terms of the polls and the midterms, and all that. But we cannot stop it. Just the ones who are happen to be sitting right now in the county jails in Minneapolis. Did you see that video, Megan, from a couple of nights ago from that hotel, which had been ransacked by these left wing lunatics. And there was only one federal officer there bleeding from his head because he'd been hit by a brick or a rock or something.

32:10And he was left alone. And people got footage of when the police had been called. they saw the scene and they pulled a u-turn and got out of there these men and women who've been out there are basically besieged beyond left for dead they're oh the governor of the state the mayors are all encouraging individuals to do everything you can to hurt these people dox them they're parts of these signal groups which have been coordinating and and i've seen multiple veterans who served in afghanistan and iraq being like looking at this this is exactly how we found The insurgency was operating when we're overseas and to see it at home is horrific.

32:50And so that's what they're the conditions that these people are under trying to protect us from these criminals. Yeah. As a general rule, the left, very dumb, very dumb. But they figured out a couple of different things. One is this pervasive, profound intolerance for unpleasantness. And if they can create unpleasantness, they can muddy the water on the ultimate objective, no matter if it is – if it's rooting out fraud. Remember Elon Musk with Doge? Unpleasantness. You can make that controversial just because it's unpleasant. People are losing their jobs. So we don't actually root out the billions and perhaps trillions in fraud.

33:34Immigration. Everybody says that they want all these folks deported, particularly the criminal illegals, unpleasantness. And all of a sudden then you get some people who are like, I don't know, I'm not sure. And all of a sudden your governing coalition starts to fade because of that critical demographic that we're working with who doesn't like unpleasantness. This is what they seize upon. I mean, I understand it's a little in the weeds, but that is the playbook of the left. Totally. I mean, you guys, you stole the name Ruthless out of the ether from these terrible leftists who actually are. You're actually sweet guys.

34:15You're political strategists and you know what you're doing, but you're actually good men. These leftists are truly ruthless. They will cut a bitch, man. I mean, they will like, they don't care. Yeah, they'll bite a finger off. They'll kill Charlie Kirk. they'll celebrate the death while his family's still grieving no problem, they'll do the finger with the neck Lucy, what's her name, Garcia you go on X and you find these leftists who get like 5 ,000, 10 ,000 retweets of being like boy, ICE has no humanity, the cruelty that they're displaying and the lack of compassion and you do a search on them for Charlie Kirk, I mean without fail, they're spiking the football and enjoying the murder of an innocent man who tried to just have a dog.

35:01Like, why can't we just bring down the temperature and have a discussion about this? Because you guys killed the guy who wanted that. Or smug, you'll see them barge into a Sunday service with children crying and terrified, a woman running out, breaking her arm, according to the federal affidavit in support of the arrest warrants. And you'll have someone like Don Lemon saying that trauma is all part of it. That's part of the First Amendment. The The system's working as it should. I mean, there's like a, just a, I don't, like a - I saw the affidavit. They were telling children to their face that, do you know your parents are Nazis and will burn in hell?

35:40They were telling children, children in church this. I'm sorry, but this is not a tactic of the right. Like the true ruthlessness is over there on the left. Like, I'm sorry, but I don't, where is the right version, the right wing version of this fucking nutcase named Melinda Cook, who works at VCU, which is a university, a hospital facility down at in Virginia, in Richmond. Listen to this. This is via libs of TikTok. It's not 32. Sabotage tactic or at least scare tactic. All the medical providers grab some syringes with needles on the end. Have them full of saline or succinylcholine, you know, whatever, whatever that will probably be a deterrent for today's resistance tip i vote um anybody got any uh poison ivy poison oak in their yard get some of that up with gloves obviously get it in some water get some get the poison ivy oak water and i'm gonna put it into a water gun aim for aim for faces, hands.

36:50Are the single ladies where these ICE guys are going? Get on Tinder, get on Hinge, find these guys. They're around. They're an ICE agent, bring some X-Lax and put it in their drinks. Get them sick. Nobody's going to die. Just enough to incapacitate them, get them off the street for the next day. Let's make their lives fucking miserable. Okay, this is a working nurse filming herself in her scrubs and her surgical mask, who clearly has ongoing access to patients, including Republican patients. For all I know, she could be in the ER when some ICE officer who's performing his duties in Virginia has to go into the ER and he runs into this woman and she's going to stick him with succinylcholine, which is, as I understand it, partially paralyzes you just to incapacitate him she's gonna what slip a little um what'd she say like visine or lactate whatever something to incapacitate you with ex-lax uh with diarrhea when she's supposed to be your caregiver this is like there's something seriously wrong with these nurses and like let's not forget that alex preddy was also a nurse out there with his gun having had another at the previous confrontation with law enforcement they didn't say anything about whether he was armed but he came back the second time armed and loaded and i don't know what he had planned christy noam's taking a beating for saying he planned to kill ICE officers or however she put it, we'll play it.

38:16But listen, she may have overstated it. She may not have. What do we know? Why don't we watch the investigation play out? But these nurses are absolutely fucking lunatics. And VCU has now made a statement saying we prioritize the health and safety of anybody who comes here. We're aware of a series of videos that appear to have been posted by an individual who is confirmed to be an employee of our health system. The content of the videos is highly inappropriate, does not reflect the integrity or values of our health system. VCU police are assisting with this investigation per policy while the investigation is underway.

38:46The individual is on administrative leave and will not be in our facilities or interacting with patients. I mean, you know, if it's a he said, she said, if it's like, did the doctor give the patient the wrong meds? Maybe you put the person on leave while you conduct an investigation. It's right there on video. I don't know what they have to investigate. She should be fired within the next hour. And also, I mean, you're an attorney. I don't need to tell you the liability that a hospital would open themselves up to if a conservative were to die there, say, well, I have reason to believe that this health care system, VCU, seems to have a bias against conservatives and encourages killing them because that drug that she recommended using, if it's not administered by an anesthesiologist, it quite often can be fatal.

39:28So she's just saying, you know, Well, let me ask you this, Smug. Let me ask you this. So this woman goes into VCU and she does it. let's say she does what she's telling everybody else to do and illegally administers an anesthetic to a perfectly fine patient to incapacitate them physically and or mentally. And that patient dies because she's not an anesthesiologist and she does it wrong. And then who has responsibility for prosecuting her? Why don't we look up the chain in the Commonwealth of Virginia? Who's the top law enforcement officer there? Well, that'd be Jay Jones who encourages the murder of not just Republicans, but their children.

40:03Right. And this is what our poor friends in Virginia, who are right leaning, and there still are millions of them, are dealing with in this state that has been made blue, thanks to the influx of residents from Washington, D.C. who vote blue and a bunch of illegals. There's just a report out this morning about the two heavily Hispanic districts in Virginia that put Abigail Spanberger over the top, which has got a bunch of immigrants who are living there from places in Central and South America who didn't want cooperation with ICE, which is one of the first things she did. You guys were talking about this on the Variety program the other day, about how one of the very, like the, not one of, the first thing she did was to end cooperation with ICE.

40:49Yeah. Listen, I think you got to get back to the basics at some level because I do think that the vast majority of Americans at some level understand that a functioning judicial system is pretty imperative to our way of life. But you've seen in blue places – I mean we're talking about Minnesota. That's a great example. We saw it in D.C. too with a bunch of different arrests after the Trump National Guard deal and everything else where somebody would commit some kind of an assault and a jury would just find them not guilty. We got to get back to the basics on this stuff. If you do not have a functioning court system or if a system or a jury of your peers is basically just a red lot, blue lot lineup.

41:36And like if I get the vast majority of blue versus red, we have a mistrial or something else and we can send people on their way. It's problematic. I mean, you're seeing this time after time after time. It became a problem with the whole Alex Soros judge Purchase, but now it's it's beating into a point where you have elected officials who basically I mean It's almost a litmus test of whether or not if you find a Democrat Guilty of crimes. Well, you're a sellout Well, I worry though about getting back to basics while in the midst of retreating on the issue That's what I worry about with the Trump administration right now because it's entirely asymmetrical to I think the point we've all made here It's like conservatives we want to protect our fellow American these liberals they want to kill us exactly You know, yeah And so if if we have some sort of detente that then turns into a retreat on enforcing the rule of law They're gonna learn the lesson that they can win yeah that they can win that they can't enough money mud up on the tires They complain they burn down cities and they get their way That's what they learned after George Floyd and if they learn it again, we're never gonna get back to it I don't think that's remotely close to the response the Trump administration is having in Minneapolis.

42:50They were like, oh, you don't like the guy in charge of the situation in Minneapolis yesterday. Well, we're bringing John Wayne in tomorrow. Tom Homan is showing up and he is going to clean these streets like you've never seen before. And he doesn't care what you about your whining. He is brought there with the. OK, but Ashbrook, let me ask you something. I love Tom Homan. He's literally my favorite administration official. But he's not going to do anything that President Trump doesn't want him to do. So that's the question, because he kind of goes in there right now, slightly hobbled, given the mess that's there.

43:30And it's no accident that he pulled Kristi Noem and he pulled Bovino, head of the Border Patrol. And then there was initially a report, a couple of reports suggesting they were about to be turfed out, that Bovino's now retiring, that Kristi Noem could not be potentially not long for her role, that she had a several hour meeting with Trump at her request on Monday. She was not happy. She was being pulled. She realized what it would look like. And I don't know whether that's true. I believe it's not true that Kristi Noem's job is in danger. I don't know about Bovino. Now there are some reports that it was more this guy right above him in between him and Kristi Noem named Rodney Scott, who may have like kind of put out bad information on him because there's some sort of a turf war going on.

44:14I don't know. But the point is, it doesn't look great. It certainly doesn't look like Trump is endorsing what Noem and Bovino were doing in Minneapolis. So now Homan goes in, what is he actually going to be empowered to do? That's the question. No more than President Trump wants. Well, he doesn't to the whiz bang, right? He just makes it happen. There's no photo ops, there's no, you know, sort of show of force. It's just a matter of doing your job, which I do think is appropriate in this thing. The other thing that I would just say is like, look, there are 49 other states. And more importantly, there are a lot of other blue states.

44:46Minnesota is not like the epicenter of illegal immigration far from it. Well, I bet it is. Who would have guessed the guy from Minnesota is like, let up the gas. It's from the billions and billions of dollars have been stolen. I don't think sending Tom Homan is enough. I think we should be sending the military. This is a state where the governor has said, I have ordered law enforcement not to cooperate with the government officials and has essentially legalized crime, has said that earlier that he feels he's at war with Trump. I am so pleased that Trump has been able to get Walls to let the police prevent rioters from killing ICE agents.

45:20I mean, that's just like the bare minimum. Thank God that is happening. That was big progress. That's another headline from last night. Trump and Walls spoke and Walls has now finally agreed to let the police intervene when ICE officers are under attack or when it's an obvious breaking of the law. And it happened last night where the once again they surrounded a hotel that they thought ICE officers, they thought Bovino was at and behaved lawlessly. And the local cops finally came. You know, we went from the night before with that one federal officer saying, where are the local cops? Bleeding out of his nose and his mouth.

45:54and they weren't there. To the next night, thanks to the Trump-Waltz phone call, the local cops showed up. They said, disperse or you're going to be arrested. The ones who dispersed weren't arrested and the ones who refused were. So that is progress. Here's video of the protests outside of that hotel, which got very rowdy and thankfully the cops did what they should have been doing. So yes, you're right, Smug. That was a good result out of that phone call. Keep going. Yeah, I know. I made the mistake of trying to make an intellectual point here, which was that But in Minnesota, you have a relatively small group of problems here, both from a protester side and from an illegal immigration side.

46:37What happens when you go to California? What happens? Do you think that a governor who's running for president against this administration in particular is going to have any different reaction than Tim Walz does? No, of course not. because there's all of the mayhem and all of it is political incentive on his front. And there is, I don't know, roughly 75x, maybe 150x the problem on each segment of that state than there is in Minnesota. What happens when you go to the upper northeast, Boston? What happens when you go, you know, like literally any blue state, you're going to have this problem. And the point is, if you're interested in trying to solve it, you have to figure out how to scale it.

47:23You can't spend six weeks in trench warfare here. And I think the administration has done everything that they should be doing. You've encountered the lengths of which the far left is willing to go to try to stop it. I think it's strategically important that Tom Homan and everybody else think about this in terms of how you can actually fulfill the campaign promises of 2024 versus just making like a national debate for six weeks over and over and over again. Or the alternative is to stop, which I think is your problem, Duncan. Yeah. And I agree with that entirely. Like there's a mandate here. You got to figure out how to do it.

48:01It doesn't mean that you're just going to roll tanks. Like you've got to figure out how to do it. I will say one thing about Minnesota that hopefully is unique to Minnesota is it feels like a lot of the elected Democrats have a vested interest in allowing the crime to continue. We learned from The New York Times, of all places, that it was Biden's Department of Justice which opened an investigation into Ilhan Omar and how she got all this money all of a sudden. So the kind of pushback that we're seeing from people like Keith Ellison, we've noted on the program, why is it that both of the last two chairmen of the DNC are from Minnesota?

48:39Seems like that state's really punching above its weight class unless they've got access to money somehow that the Democrats love. There's a lot that makes Minnesota unique in this situation, but it feels like they're getting so much pushback. The federal officials are at least getting so much pushback from the local Dems because it seems like there's a lot of money there for the Democrats that they count on. You know, the other Democrats around this country who are as unscrupulous as Tim Walz are watching Tim Walz on the main stage acting for these foreign billionaires who fund Democrat politics.

49:11And they want the exact same access to the exact same money so that they can be competitive heading into 2028. Whether or not they're going to be the main candidate or whether they're going to be some sort of cabinet official or something, these Democrats are going to compete to be the worst of the worst. in the eyes of your average normal person. Yeah, to me it's just so disheartening because these are the latest numbers. This is from the Department of Homeland Security on January 20th. They say nearly 3 million illegals are out of the country. DHS has removed more than 675 ,000 and they estimate 2.2 million have self-deported.

49:50Okay, they're obviously going to go with the most generous numbers. Let's assume that's true. We have, what, 17 million to go? Let's use the lowest numbers. Say it's 11. Okay, we have 8 million to go. We're just never going to get there at this rate. Stand by on that thought. Quick break. We're right back. Let's talk about All Family Pharmacy. They do what pharmacies are supposed to do, just better. They get people the medications they need fast and at a fair price. When you do not want to wait in line or deal with insurance headaches and you want your medications delivered straight to your home, All Family Pharmacy makes it simple.

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51:12Josh Holmes, comfortably smug. Michael Duncan and John Ashbrook are with me. They are the fellas from the Ruthless Variety program. And they're back with me now. Guys, Trump just spoke to this. Got a couple of sound bites for you. First, he speaks to the investigation he would like to see happen. He said Alex Cuddy's death was justified. Well, you know, we're doing a big investigation.

51:36I want an honorable and honest investigation. I have to see it myself.

51:45Then he speaks to the status of Kristi Noem in his view. I think he's doing a very good job. I think he's doing a very good job. The border is totally secure. You know, you forget we had a border that I inherited where millions of people were coming through. Now we have a border where no one is coming through. They come into our country only legally. And last but not least, he speaks to the death specifically of Alex Petty. Well, I'm looking at that whole situation. I love everybody. I love all of our people. I love his family. And it's a very sad situation. Okay, so he's doing what he needs to do as president, that we can be a lot more straightforward in podcasting.

52:29He's got a different role, which it's great. He's understanding it. Sometimes Trump gets out on a limb. Barack Obama constantly went out on that limb and offered his opinion on things that were extremely divisive, like the race of people involved in a particular altercation. Trump there is being more measured because Minneapolis is a powder keg right now. So that's a good message to come from him. But we'll see. So Tom Homan is now on the ground, and you will see whether that changes the rhetoric. We did hear Tim Walsh rein it in a little in his rhetoric, you know, in speaking to reporters after his chat with Trump.

53:06I'm not sure whether any of these leftists are actually going to try to rein it in. But I also don't have a lot of trust in the media. What we saw yesterday with the media was, Well, I'll just give you one example. Here's a guest on with Jake Tapper on CNN and SOT 5. We can't do business as usual right now anyway, because our city has been invaded by masked gunmen, kidnapping family members and friends and neighbors of ours to send them to concentration camps. Just one note, I'm not here to defend ICE, but I'm not a big fan of people using the term concentration camp to describe detention camps.

53:47That has a very specific meaning. Well, they take people to Fort Snelling here, which literally was built as a concentration camp, and Alligator Alcatraz, which I think we can all agree is a concentration camp. I'm not saying they're Dachau. I'm not saying they're putting people in ovens yet. but these are concentration camps. What? What was that? It's not going well on CNN. Imagine being that producer before they go live with the shot and you look at what that cat's wearing. I mean, you think this segment's going to go well? Hey, boss, I got a great booking. I got a great booking. This guy seems measured.

54:30Not a huge fan of comparing things to the concentration camps. This is kind of a it's like a hard no for most of us making comparisons to Nazi Germany. And the guy's like, no, I get it. I get it. Except, you know, well, they're not putting people in ovens yet. You're right. I'll be more measured at the same time. I haven't actually seen ovens yet. You had the governor of that state be like, you know, there's going to be a book like the Diary of Anne Frank written about this occupation we're under. So, like, it's not like it's coming from nowhere. Part of what the left does is we have to gin them up.

55:00Stand by. Here's top 20. We have got children in Minnesota hiding in their houses, afraid to go outside. Many of us grew up reading that story of Anne Frank. Somebody's going to write that children's story about Minnesota. And there's one person who can end this now. I mean, first of all, children's story is like Goodnight Moon, you know, the very hungry caterpillar. it's not it's not really diary of frank it's not the diary of minnesota illegals either i mean secondly he got rebuked by the the holocaust museum i always like the national holocaust memorial like when they're rebuking you it's not it's not ideal uh like when you're just trying to make a point about your kids by the way that's a great place to start for ice Apparently, Tim Walz knows where all the illegal children are hiding, and he's ready for ICE to deliver the epilogue to their story in Minneapolis.

56:04I'm sorry. It's just so ridiculous. But it's necessary for them to condition their supporters. If he's going to have people out in freezing conditions with their phones out harassing ICE on his behest, he has to make them think you're fighting Nazis. your brave heroes who are part of the underground to save us from Nazis by using that kind of language I'm really glad Megan you played those clips back to back because I think it you know what we were talking about in the first segment Right. It's the permission structure that the governor Tim Walls and Jacob Fry and the leadership there in Minnesota has provided For people like that lunatic.

56:41I mean that guy looks like, you know, a Portlandia character straight out of central casting where with the pink knit beanie wearing it inside these people are cartoon characters okay so now there's more because we're going to get into media spin we have got to talk about what msnbc did yeah with the image of alex preddy um apparently they did not think that their hero was hot enough and so they or someone from whom they got the picture clearly manipulated the photo that is out there of Alex Preddy in his nurse's scrubs to make him look better in the image that Nicole Wallace showed on the air.

57:28Now, I just I'm showing. Yeah, let's put this up. It's the original Tanner and then the after. Or now I actually looked very close. I put on my reading glasses on and I zoomed in and you can see actually what they've done. They've darkened his hair. Again, I don't know who did it, but MSNBC used it. They darkened his hair. They filled in his hair a little to make him look slightly less bald. They tanned him up. They whitened his teeth and they may have straightened one tooth over there on the top left. There was like a snaggle and it appears to have been gone in the AI version on the right. His nose, which I'm sorry, but you take the like a man's rather prominent nose and start manipulating it to make it look what less like long and out there and now you're really now you're really messing with things like that is just so beyond by a journalist like a filter that makes the guy look tanner all right maybe that could happen accidentally the shortening of a nose that does not happen accidentally and his jaw may have been shortened uh in the picture i mean there have been multiple manipulations by on this picture they they like juiced him Look at his right bicep.

58:39I saw this image. Like, they really went to town on it. Oh, my God, you're right. Isn't that insane? Think about that. I didn't even notice that one. I mean, it's less insane than being horny for Luigi Mangione. Yeah, no, you're right. So this is technically an improvement. That's true. That's actually right. Yeah. Well, listen, can you listen to the messaging that Nicole Wallace was giving her audience when she used the manipulated image? Listen. This time it was 37-year-old Alex Preddy, an ICU nurse who cared for veterans. Donald Trump and his cabinet, his administration, are demanding once again that you not believe your eyes and ears.

59:21Kind of thinking that would be a good instinct in this particular instance. But like, what kind of a cynical mofo is like, he's not hot enough. We have to make him look hotter if we really want him to be our poster boy. I mean, like, that is effed up. It just shows you how this is all acting. There's I genuinely believe that Natalie Portman tears are fake. The Glenn Close outrage is fake. It's performative. These people on the streets are there. You mentioned the billionaire. There have been several reports now. The biggest and best was out of Fox News. I think it's Azra Nomani who did it, who reported that it's this guy, an American born billionaire named Neville Roy Singham, a self-declared Marxist-Leninist living in Shanghai, who's created one of these communist groups, the People's Forum, that is out there.

1:00:19It's a nonprofit that supports these entities like Breakthrough News, which is a left-wing propaganda outfit that's been heavily creating content centered on Minneapolis. They're doing things like sharing videos, publishing graphics, demanding things like abolishing ICE, and on it goes. So like, we are being actively manipulated from MSNBC down to these shadowy groups that are openly communist. So some guy sitting in Shanghai, it's like that weirdo who's all over X, Ian Miles Chong, who's attacking people like yours truly for my commentary on politics from Malaysia. Fuck you. Get out of fucking Malaysia.

1:00:56Why don't you come here if you want to criticize me? But it's like these shadowy figures who want to control the American dialogue from like their huts. God knows where. Right. And I mean, there are 25 ,000 square foot huts, Megan. These are billionaires who want to ruin our country, ruin our country. They're paying like this guy that after Nomani's great reporter, she's obviously been following this left wing money chain for a very long time. And she's written extensively about this guy that you mentioned. And, you know, he said that the one tool he has in his tool chest where he can use to beat everybody else is treachery.

1:01:35They want to ruin our country. They're the ones who are tearing us apart at the seams. They're the ones who are like, oh, no, America, you don't have enough problems as it is. We need to import millions of people from third world countries who grew up under different circumstances and who want to take your peaceful neighborhood away from you. military age men from the other hemisphere who want to cause violence in your streets. And if you try to say anything about it, you're the bad guy. This is an actual operation against us. It's a left wing funded insurgency from foreign governments. And I mean, I'll let Smug speak to the guys on X who are doing this for money, too, because he knows who they are and where they come from.

1:02:19But the reality is we have to open Malaysia. Well, the thing is, is that it's all over. One of the things that Elon did that was incredible is now you can click on a person's profile and see where they register, what country they register their encounter in and which country that they're accessing the app from. It's incredible because very quickly you saw a lot of people who are trying to tell Americans how America should be run aren't in America. It's incredible. But like to Ashbrook's point, the amount of money coming from overseas billionaires who recognize that the left is a useful tool of useful idiots.

1:02:51We saw in New York City protests pop up where the signs were already printed. The hats are already made and ready to go. It's because this is not an organic grassroots thing that you're seeing across the country. The Democrats have realized if they want to be funded, Kamala Harris took a ton of money. Her campaign, her super PACs took a ton of money from these people. Hans-Jörg Wies, a Swiss national. George Soros. Billionaires are essentially funding the left to try and destroy this country. And we're seeing the effects of it in Minnesota and across the country. If your goal is to ruin America, you really only have one plot of people to deal with, right?

1:03:30They don't particularly like America to begin with. And it's a lot easier. That was the great irony of the whole Russiagate investigation, by the way, is that somehow the conservative right was going to be the angle to have other countries pull one over on us. Like what we've seen over the last 10 years is basically a whole bunch of foreign influence going in on the left to try to do relatively little manipulation in order for them to just get on board for the big win. And if you take a step back, I think you look at your average Republican or average conservative voter, the vast majority of people, they want to take their kids to soccer practice and softball.

1:04:10They want to make sure that they've got, you know, streets that are navigable, that they don't have crime in their neighborhood. They want to take care of their neighbor. They want to go to church. You want to just like basic American things. And then you look at the left and it's much more instant. It's much more absurd. And there is no 50 ,000 foot look. It's much right now. We hate Trump right now and whatever you can do. And so you get like images, which you started this conversation about where you just manipulate it just a little bit to get somebody just a little bit more right now angry about a whole bunch of different things.

1:04:44And you can send them off in a million different directions. And I think that that is happening in real time in the far left in a way that is so corrosive to our democracy, our republic. I mean, they are becoming, to your point earlier, you got to start asking questions about whether a national divorce is for real because they don't seem like they're capable of actually getting to the point where we all want the same things. They're inflaming the national divorce. They're actually inflaming it. They want it to happen. If there was genuine desire for Americans to come together, they would operate very differently.

1:05:25They would reduce the outside inputs and complications, the cultural problems that they're just importing year after year after year until Trump comes into office. They would want us to reconcile the problems that existed before they brought that stuff in here. They don't want reconciliation among Americans who are living in this country today. They want the country to fall. I think there's no other way to look at it. The left, the global left wants our country to fall apart. Remember they were so upset, supposedly, about Russian interference back in 2016? And they made up all these lies, of course, about Trump and Alpha Bank and the server and the basement of the Trump organization.

1:06:04I mean, Don Jr. always makes me laugh when he's like, we couldn't figure out how to order a hamburger, never mind how to communicate secretly with Russia. Like, in our dreams, we would have figured that one out. But in any event, one thing that Russia did do to some extent back in 2016 was what they always do, which is try to sow some chaos between Americans, like put up incendiary articles that may or may not be true about something terrible that Hillary did or whatever. They love to see us fight with each other. That's been a longtime Russian thing. We were supposed to be outraged about that.

1:06:36I thought we hated that. I thought the left really hated that Russian interference or outside interference from another country making Americans fight. What the hell is this? What's happening here? Why are we allowing this? I guess it's different when it's on the left, you see, when it's pushing us to become a communist nation. I guess we're all in favor. And that picture of the guy, of Alex Preddy, like the hot, the hotter Alex Preddy went everywhere. We found it, among other places, at a hockey game. This isn't the NHL. It's like the league just below with the New York Sirens versus Minnesota Frost.

1:07:11Watch this on the Jumbotron.

1:07:16Go home ice! It sounds like it didn't go. Go home ice.

1:07:24These are men's hope that they're such a crime. Okay, and then here's the really outrageous one. We checked back in with Nicole Wallace. Deb, you made this picture for me earlier. And just to see if she learned her lesson. And would you take a look at what she showed for Alex Preddy the day after the one I just showed you? Look at this. Stand by. Debbie Murphy, where's that picture I sent you? It's coming. It's being procured. It's not loading. Well, there's something we said about technical stuff, right? Come on, guys. Okay. You know, Debbie's up into Canada, so things go slower sometimes. They're busy waiting in line for health care.

1:08:01They can't do all these things at once. I guess we don't have it. Do we not have it? We'll come back to it. Okay. In any event, it's egregious. They've gone too far. They've really lost themselves. They're really getting egregious with their manipulations. And I'll come back to that, put a pin in that for right now. Just for a moment, I want to go back to the late night hosts because there's a lot. I showed you Jimmy Kimmel, but it's not just him. Here's Stephen Colbert in Sotten. Today, more than half of Americans are digging out from massive winter storm, freezing temperatures from Texas all the way up to Maine.

1:08:33It's frigid here in New York City. I want to thank everyone here who stood outside in the cold today before you came in.

1:08:44I think we can all agree, f*** dice.

1:08:54So brave. So courageous, guys. A real inspiration, don't you think? It is. It's amazing how they've just perverted late-night comedy to be just a left-wing whatever. I mean, that kind of joke, if it wasn't Stephen Colbert, you would look at, you'd kind of laugh just because it would be an inverted sort of irony and making fun of the left at some ways. But with coming from him, it's genuine. Like he really believes that kind of thing. I also saw over the weekend, the FCC chairman sort of begin to reinstitute rules that we've long had in this country about if you have candidates on for political office that you're going to have to even out the score.

1:09:35It's long known as like a fairness doctrine type thing, which we operated underneath for for decades. And there was some late night carve outs, essentially for newsmaking or public figures or whatever. Jay Leno had this in the early 2000s. But he reinstituted it. And I think this is actually more significant than the Jimmy Kimmel thing that we saw, or, you know, anything they've had to do with with late night television up to this point, because they have no way of doing it. If you have to adhere to that kind of rule, you basically need to abandon politics at some way. No, you know what you get?

1:10:15You get a show full of Adam Kinzinger, Nicole Wallace. That's their idea of a Republican. Oh, by the way, we have it now. Look what she did the next time she came back to Alex Preddy. She went too far. I'm sorry, but this is it's on the nose. For the listening audience, we showed a picture of Patrick Dempsey. McDreamy. McDreamy from Grey's Anatomy. She didn't really, but I saw it online and made me laugh. We need a laugh where we can get it. So good. Yeah, wait, I want to give you one more Colbert. I mean, this is just like, this is so crazy, you guys. Remember when we used to have Johnny Carson who would make fun of both sides and make us laugh in our worst moments among each other?

1:11:01We've gone an entirely different way here in SOT 11. Got to point out, your anti-immigrant thugs are the one killing taxpaying, law-abiding citizens. And Americans won't stand for it because we have read our country's user agreement.

1:11:24We have read our country's user agreement, the Declaration of Independence. Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it. Go. Do it. Go. Secede. Those right there. Those might be the most important words of our founding documents. All right. Here's my question. How are we going to do it? Because, you know, you look at the map. If it were just clear, like all the blue was up in the Northeast and all the red was down in the South and maybe the Midwest, you know, maybe we could work something out.

1:12:05But it's very interspersed. Like, I don't know how we could actually make a make a realistic go of it if we actually wanted to let him go. Stephen Colbert. Like, I don't know. Maybe we give up like I think we might have to give up California. Why don't they all go there? There's a lot of land. Like, it's pretty. They should they should like it. They can have Hollywood. I think I'm not sure what do we give maybe they need to learn their lesson again I think these are a bunch of chicken hawks who have no idea what they're talking about first off the user agreement for the United States is the Constitution it's not the Declaration of Independence But he doesn't know that he's just an idiot who reads jokes that are written for him and they're poor jokes Like I remember like you said earlier Jay Leno used to I had no I have no clue what his political affiliation is No clue you tune into his show you get some funny times and that's what you signed up for He might have a star who's got a movie coming out and that's what you get but this this is pathetic There's a reason that like the big discussion on late night is, is there a place for it anymore?

1:12:59Are Americans just going to watch Netflix instead? No, Americans still like having a good time and having some laughs, but they don't like getting lectured. You cut your ratings in half when you attack half the audience about politics. No one wants to deal with politics. They got home from work. They had dinner with their family. Now they're trying to have a couple of laughs before they started again the next day. For him to try to be like, you're a comedian, dude. Why are you out here preaching about, well, Americans didn't sign. And it says this in the declaration of it. Dude, if I want to listen to Ken Burns, I'd do it on Ken Burns documentary.

1:13:30I'm not going to listen to some idiot attempted comedian lecture me when I'm trying to go to sleep. It's pathetic. Yeah. Yes. I think it's something. I mean, is he even an attempted comedian anymore? I don't like, he's not. He's headed to retirement because he couldn't get any ratings. How long did you think it took the writer's room to come up with fuck ice? Oh, man. Really? Whoa. Yeah. High five. Brilliant. Good work, Shane Gillis. Yeah, put it right here. OK, wait, I want to go. I want to go to the politics of it, because, of course, that is why Trump and Walsh spoke yesterday. It's why Trump just didn't declare the Insurrection Act and send in the military and take Minnesota in hand.

1:14:08It's not going well. I read the audience, the poll numbers yesterday from a couple of different outlets. And the independents have completely abandoned Trump on the issue of ICE. Of course, the Democrats are not there at all. He's got Republican support, but not not entirely. It's about 80 percent support him. And here is Harry Enten talking a little bit more about the polling on ICE operations on CNN Monday, SOT 17. Yeah, I'm not really surprised that President Trump is sending Tom Homan in because ICE, DHS, Kristi Noem have been a political disaster because just take a look here. I mean, ICE is not approval rating during Trump's terms.

1:14:43You go back to term number one. Look, it was pretty even at zero points. You go to June 2025, right? That was when all that stuff was going on in Los Angeles. They dropped down. Look at this. Minus 17 points way in the basement. But then after Minneapolis, it's even lower. Minus 27 points on the net approval rating of ICE. Of course, this all being done under Kristi Noem. So, no, what's going on in Minneapolis is not popular at all. One more. Here he is talking about Kristi Noem, SOT 18. I mean, just look at her net approval rating. In July of 2025, it was minus 11 points. It's actually gotten more unpopular now at minus 16 points.

1:15:26I looked at every single poll that has been conducted on Kristi Noem's popularity. Every single one, the net approval rating has been negative. ICE is negative. DHS is negative. As I said at the top, Kate, this has been an absolute political disaster for the president of the United States. It's not much of a surprise to me if he wants to push Noam to the side.

1:15:50So what does that mean? Because everyone's thinking about the midterms. I mean, this is just depressing because what they're doing is working, that those loons are driving down the numbers with their media enablers. All Kristi Noam's trying to do is enforce the law. Yes, she got over her skis on the messaging after Alex Preddy and she went too far. I mean, honestly, she did it, I'm sure, out of an effort to help the Border Patrol agents. She was almost certainly told by one or more of them that something like that happened. I doubt she just made it up out of thin air. I don't know. But OK, she's going to be the sacrificial lamb in some way.

1:16:27She got pulled. Bovino, he got pulled. Pulled but not fired, which is good. In any event, OK, great. So where does this take us politically? Because I just don't know. I don't think Trump, I don't think those people, those independents are like, OK, I will vote for Trump now or I will vote Republican in the midterms. I mean, this is what we talked about, right? I mean, the easiest thing you can do as a president of the United States is nothing. Absolutely nothing. If you feel like there is a necessity for profound change, don't do it at all because the uncomfortability caucus doesn't appreciate that.

1:17:03But it turns out when you want to deport 15 million people who got here illegally under Joe Biden, it's tough. It's difficult. And the left puts up a resistance that makes things incredibly uncomfortable. And you just need to be prepared for it. And like, I don't give a shit what the cabinet secretary's approval rating is. Like nobody really, that is what it is. It does have downstream effects on Republican candidates, undoubtedly. And you're seeing some of that play out with people asking questions and wanting some oversight and all of that being said. But the Republican Party needs to just wrap its mind around, if you say you're going to do something it's not going to be easy and on the back end of it everybody's not going to be like oh congratulations you did it there's a cottage industry that is entirely built foreign funding everything else to try to destroy any progress that you make and that's just what you know when you get into politics like that is just the reality that we've dealt with because you know for those moderate or independent voters in the mushy middle of our electorate they're generally conservative, but they're specifically liberal.

1:18:08And what I mean by that is like, they all agree with Donald Trump's policy and that, and they voted for him in 2024, that we need a secure border reading to deport criminal illegal aliens, but specifically liberal is like, oh, well, I saw this poor, this picture on Instagram of this girl by this car and ice, you know, stole her away to a concentration camp. I read that. And that's the only thing I know about ice, right? Like that's the issue. And we're always going to have that issue. But to Holmes's point, like you can't give up you got to push through that and do your best i mean like here here's a good uh uh hypothetical you know what's the name of this illegal immigrant that they were trying to arrest that this guy came in with the gun and started insulting do we know because that's where i would start if i was the trump administration i'd be like all right well let's reframe this narrative instead of you know discussing this video of this guy who had the gun and the gun goes off and the guy tragically loses his life what was he stopping what were they doing what were they doing?

1:19:04Yeah. And, you know, we need to reframe a lot of these arguments. So we put the onus on the left to justify why they're out there in the streets stopping law enforcement. You're so like, look at the number of things they've done this on. They're hysterical freak outs that then drive the news that's too, you know, quick to go along with them and drive the poll numbers down. Elon and Doge just trying to find government waste, fraud and abuse. That's it. just trying to find organizations that are a grift. And how many months did we spend on the Democrat freakouts over USAID shutting down and the cuts at the Department of Education, these government bureaucrats who were no longer able to cash their checks.

1:19:44And then the debate over the Obamacare subsidies that were necessary in order to fool people into believing that Obamacare was affordable, wasn't as expensive as it was always intended to be. And whether Republicans had an obligation to keep those going, you know, as opposed to letting people feel the pain that Obama inflicted on them, dominated the news for weeks. Now we're actually enforcing the law when it comes to immigration. And we've had meltdowns in L.A. over trying to do it, in Chicago over trying to do it. And now the ultimate meltdown in Minneapolis, where it had to be the biggest freak out at all because they're trying to distract from a fraud scandal perpetrated by the Somali community there.

1:20:28Ilhan Omar, unbeknownst to us, already under investigation thanks to the Biden DOJ because if you would marry your brother to get him into the United States, you would do anything, including possibly illegally line your own pockets. It's just, I'm sick of it. You know, it's like, I feel like the independent lane helped get Trump elected because we were the antidote to the lies the mainstream media was telling. But now that he's actually governing, it's it's we we we don't actually serve as the antidote. People are too primed to to listen to all the terrible things about Trump. I don't know if they like buyer's remorse, if like they just want to go back on their original instincts about Trump.

1:21:12It feels good to be like, no, no, I hated Kamala, but this guy's a douche. You know, what is it? Why are all these people who actually did vote for Trump now suddenly believing the CNNs and the Nicole Wallases with their fucking lies about ICE? I think that's part of the thing is that hit dogs holler. So anytime you've seen Trump go after, whether it was with Doge or whether it's here in Minnesota, when he's going after the grift, which so clearly is funding the Democrats, they flip out. Why would someone freak out about Elon hunting down waste, fraud, and abuse in the government because you're funded by the waste, fraud, and abuse?

1:21:47Why would someone freak out about these clear cut cases of fraud in Minnesota? For God's sake, it was called the Leering Center. the leering center of course that's a fraud that's happening so they freak out because they get their money from that in la they activated the same troops that they have that get foreign funding if they scream and make enough of a mess and throw enough of a tenter tantrum parents know if you give in to a toddler freaking out it's going to do it again and again and again and that's now the playbook of the left the thing is that voters knew what they were doing in 2024 they were fed up with an open border they were fed up with criminals walking the streets of America, killing Americans, robbing from Americans, committing fraud.

1:22:26And you have to see the work through. Republicans cannot step back and let any state, Minnesota, California, anyone know that if you make enough of a scene, you know what, we're just going to stop because they've gotten away with that. We saw the summer of 2020. What should Holman do? What should Holman do in Minnesota? While the police are cooperating and providing protection to ICE, he should double down triple down as fast as possible flood the zone with as many federal agents as possible catch these criminals and get to the bottom of it yeah accomplish the mandate when you've got cover get the job done as quickly as possible as many boots on the ground as possible yeah accomplish the mandate i mean i i think it's pretty clear what everybody wants to have happen get criminal illegals out of your communities and you can do that you can also do that without doing a ticker tape parade down Nicollet Avenue.

1:23:16You know what I mean? Like, I think that's the beauty of what it is that Tom Homan brings here is he's been doing it for 25 years. He's got medals ringed around his neck from the guy, ironically, who did the best Barack Obama in terms of deportation. But it's somebody who's just law and order. And I think they... But can we talk about that, Holmes? Can we talk about that? What exactly you're saying? Because there have been many reports in right wing media, that there is a division between Kristi Noem and Bovino on the one side and Tom Holman on the other about how these operations ought to be done.

1:23:49It's really Kristi Noem and Corey Lewandowski. That's what the right wing media is saying. Those two are tight, shall we say? And that they have a disagreement with the Tom Holmans of the world about how these operations ought to be conducted. And reportedly, the Noem Lewandowski section doesn't mind the parade down Main Street and also wants to focus on all the illegals. and Homan is more focused on pinpoint strikes, getting rid of just the criminal illegals. But I don't know. Like, I haven't seen the ticker tape parade by Noam and Lewandowski. I've seen them kind of going about trying to arrest as many as they can.

1:24:28They say it's over 70 % criminal illegals. And it's the left doing a ticker tape. Like, the left is creating this chaos around wherever they go. So you think they're going to be any different when Tom Homan's people show up there to make their arrests? Well, you already have to assume that the left is going to do what it is. I mean, part of politics is already understanding what it is that the opposite side is going to do before you get engaged in the first place. I mean, so I'm not I'm not faulting Kristi Noem or the DHS at all. Hell, they secured our border. We were all told that that couldn't happen without federal legislation.

1:25:02And they got it done really, really quickly. I think the whole point of what Tom Holman is trying to accomplish here and what he has accomplished throughout the course of his career is it's just law and order. When you have cabinet secretaries involved at a very high level or even just below that, you're dealing with ultimately a political incentive as well. They not only want to get the job done, but they want to take credit for a job being well done. And that introduces an element. They may want to run for president. It introduces an element of public opinion into the discussion. Tom Holman does not have that.

1:25:33He doesn't give a shit what you think about him. He's done that his entire career. And he doesn't even care, doesn't listen to it. Like if you told me that Tom Homan consumed a single sentence of critique about what it is that he did, I would be shocked by that. The man has never Googled him. Right. Ever. Right. Exactly. And that's my point. Okay. Well, I hope you're right. I do feel like someone who knows what he's doing is 100 % now in charge there, and that's a good thing for the United States and all of us. All right, stand by. When we come back, I've got some questions for the guys about Michelle Obama and what the hell she's doing.

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1:29:18Back with me now, the fellas from the Ruthless podcast. So, guys, DOJ has withdrawn its request for an arrest warrant for Don Lemon, along with other protesters who disrupted the church services in St. Paul. That's after a federal judge refused, a magistrate, refused to sign off on the warrant. and then they tried to go to his boss, the district judge, who said, I'm not getting involved in this. Just go about it the old-fashioned way. Improve your affidavit trying to establish probable cause and go back to the magistrate judge or go to a grand jury. Those are the two ways you can do it. And then they tried to appeal that judge to the 8th Circuit and they said, you're not allowed to come up for this kind of appellate relief unless it's an emergency.

1:30:03Get out. So they kicked him out of the 8th Circuit. So then I think they went back down to the district judge who, again, is like, I told you the two ways you should you should get this arrest warrant. And now we believe that their withdrawing of that request for an arrest warrant means that they will almost certainly be seeking grand jury felony indictments under the FACE Act and the Klan Act so that they don't get sabotaged again. Then our understanding is that that grand jury is there is one convening this week that it could happen any day now. We we have a feeling without knowing for sure that maybe we're looking towards Thursday for a possible request from the grand jury to the grand jury to indict.

1:30:45But there are questions you guys on who exactly will make the request. Do they have U.S. attorneys who are cooperating because we have a bench that's not? and will we have grand jurors who will cooperate in acknowledging that there is probable cause that a crime was committed by Don Lemon and these other protesters. It's not just him. There's other protesters as well. And leave the guilty or innocent decision to the what we call the petite jury, the jury of 12 that would ultimately hear the case. What's your bet? Um, look, I guess I'm happy that this whole thing is moving forward, albeit not as smoothly as we would like.

1:31:26It goes back to our previous discussion, right, where you've got both jury impanelment courts and whatever that have been corrupted by the left to the point where you can't actually see right from wrong any longer. It's all through a political prism. This is so clearly right and wrong. It is should be a model. And honestly, if you were left of center, you should believe it's a model, too. The idea that you can just storm into a church during a Sunday service and disrupt and try to antagonize people, it's like, look, it's really kind of in the basic founding documents of this country. And if you have any serious consideration for the future of the United States of America, it's one of the things you should keep a close eye on.

1:32:09think about it this way if you four and i stormed an abortion clinic with our mics and a bunch of pro-life protesters who were getting in the face of women seeking abortions and we were just there with our microphones and we were making arguments like trauma's part of it trauma's part of this process that you have to go through it that's that's the way it is under our first amendment and the head of the abortion clinic and a woman next to her said we want you out. We don't want to talk to you. And we stood there with our mics trying to interview the abortion seeking women on their on their, you know, route into the OR as they were in tears.

1:32:48Do you think these same leftists and these judges would be saying you can't charge those five because they were just doing journalism? No, we know they wouldn't, Megan, because there were old women in this country who were jailed under the Biden administration literally for praying a rosary on a sidewalk somewhere near an abortion clinic the left will stop at nothing to remove people who they consider inconvenient with their stupid ideas they will jail every single conservative that they can and we know it because we've seen it with our own eyes plus they probably get a netflix special out of that whole deal about the courage and truth that they all experience sounds it's it's insane i mean hypocrisy is a feature you're not allowed to do this like you We cannot—I mean, part of why we do this show is because it's—there's no point trying to debate the lunacy of the left.

1:33:36You have to make fun of them because they are—they don't care about hypocrisy in the least. And I think what you did was make a great comparison. A sacred place for a conservative is a place of worship. A sacred place for the left is an abortion clinic. And I think it's important, especially for elected Republican officials, recognize the fact that you can't make any decision on, oh, if we do this, boy, the left is going to use it against us. The left wants us dead. They killed Charlie Kirk. They tried to throw President Trump in jail while he was running for president. There is no step that the left will not take to have total control of power.

1:34:12So when you are in control, you should use whatever means you have to stop the left, to arrest these criminals and to make an example out of them. What I am really scared of is we've seen from these signal groups in Minneapolis, documents have already been given out of here's how, if you're summoned to a jury, to make sure that you can not only yourself, but convince others to let criminals out. They already have their game plan in place. That's, I believe every word of that. On the subject of making fun of the other side, though, that brings me to Michelle Obama. This is a fun one. Save this for the fellas, Because she went on the Call Her Daddy sex podcast.

1:34:53Oh, that's good. And yeah, she had some thoughts on why she will not, will not, I'm sorry, Ashbrook, be running for president. Here she is in Sop 22. Whether people really feel yet that they can follow a woman as president. Like, we would just be silly to think that there aren't just some gut kind of, I don't know. Like we're not even analyzing what those feelings are about because we're trying to pretend like it's all better. And I just think, well, how could it be all better? You know, there are men out there that were not going to vote for a woman. So look at the fact that we've had two really qualified female candidates.

1:35:37One who was first lady, secretary of state, well-educated. What happened with her again? My husband beat her. Right. People were more comfortable with him as a newcomer. And now we just had the former vice president. You know, we've had we've had qualified women and they just, you know, they're not perfect and they don't cross every T and dot every I. There's a falling shortness that is happening that I, you know, I'd say, look, well, why can't we talk about that? Why are we pretending that that didn't just happen? OMG. You guys. It's amazing. Misogyny got my husband elected president. It's a wild take.

1:36:28I didn't see that coming. That's fantastic. What a loaded take. Can you believe she raised Hillary? Oh. Over her husband, I do. Remember, she had an episode of her podcast where she was like, here's why I'm happy I never had a son. I would never want a Barack Obama Jr. in this world. Like, I can't believe these lunatics elected him. She did, of course, because this is a Michelle Obama interview. Of course, she had yet another negative comment about her marriage. Sot 25. Here it is. And even in my marriage now, you know, you go through the period of I want him to be different. I want him to do this differently.

1:37:04I've grown to know I don't have control over him, just like he doesn't have control over me. So let me do my work. and let him do our work. And together, we come together as whole people. I go to therapy. We've been in couples therapy. I believe in the practice of having those conversations with objective people who help you piece through that stuff. And it's a constant, it's constant work.

1:37:36I've got so many things that are going to get me in trouble. I feel like, do you guys have anything here? Let me, I'll get us all in trouble. I'm going to get us all in trouble. Go for it. The floor is yours, Duncan. You will see the feminism leave a woman's body when you get eight inches of ice outside of your home over the course of 48 hours. 100%. Talking about my work and our work. You know what my work was? Shoveling our asses out of this hellhole over the last 72 hours. My work, our work. It's 100 % true. Here we've got in that answer, everyone goes through the period of like, I want to change my spouse.

1:38:18No, they don't. Actually, they don't all go through that. And then I'm in therapy, and we've also done couples therapy, and marriage is constant work. Okay? I can't relate to one word of that. I have to be honest. Marriage, if you marry the right person, is not constant work. It's actually fun and supportive and enriches your life. And you don't need couples therapy as a matter of course. you're not sitting around thinking how can i change him how can i change him that's a you thing michelle you know what's so sad is that you know former presidents in their families used to have dignity oh yeah in this country and like look i i think we're all well aware there are a lot of people that have a lot of trouble with marriages and families and it is a constant struggle for a whole bunch of different people but it's never a topic of conversation publicly until you become I'm the former kind of president who understands that your opinion, your injection of opinion, you're trying to take down anything that ideologically you don't agree with is a place for you to weigh in and try to screw everything up for everybody else.

1:39:21It's constant. All she ever does is talk about how unhappy she is. So it's fair game, right? I mean, ordinarily, I'd look at that and be like, I don't know. It seems like it's a couple. They're struggling with some things, and that's fine. But you can't look at it like that when they show up on a Sunday and they're like, all good people, the attack of democracy is happening in Minnesota and you need to rebel against it. And they're creating this entire problem for the rest of the country. Well, what does your therapist say? Walk us through it, Barack. Maybe it's just a question of being more open and honest.

1:39:56I want to give you one more if I can squeeze it in. Here she is. She's upset about, well, you'll hear it. It's not 23. But as my popularity rose, I was being covered more. That's an incredible way to start. And so the press enters the scene and there are now reports, right? And the first thing after all this great conversation and connection, the top of the article would be she was wearing, you know, not my education, not my, you know, not my professional career. but it started with appearance it wasn't actually that and it got worse as we got better but it was always interesting and people would be like well how do you know what to do in this role and to me it was clear that oh my god you you don't you don't know anything about what i did before i came here oh you guys i all of that just disappeared in the course of this whole election and you now see me as just Barack Obama's wife.

1:41:00So that made me say, we don't give a shit about you. My shoes become the most important thing about me, right? You're not the president. No one cares. She's never been elected to any. She kept going and posing on the cover of Vogue and then she's upset people talk about her outfits. This woman, she'll complain about anything, anything, you guys. She can get a house in Nantucket and a Netflix deal and she still says, I'm the victim here, is incredible. Does Barack Obama not have any guy friends? Like, you know, your wife was on Call Her Daddy saying you go to couples therapy and you suck. Any thoughts on this, bro?

1:41:38Yeah. Seriously. I can't with this woman. She's mad that they asked about her fashion. She's out there promoting a fashion book now. If you're so upset about that, where's your book about your time as a lawyer? Why don't you tell us more about all the cases you litigated? Oh, wait, you didn't accomplish shit, which is why nobody's talking about it. Okay. I got to leave it at that. I love you guys. It's great to see you. Thank you so much. You are. You are. See you soon. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.