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24:24But this is I do think that and I want to go back to a second when Donald Trump named Tulsi Gabbard, DNI. It was amazing to watch the Democratic Party freak out because the Democrats were voting for a lot of Trump nominees unanimously, like Marco Rubio and others like that. They were totally fine with them, even though they were a long term Republican Party conservative, you know, on the conservative wing. They had no problem with them. The person they had the biggest problem with, one of the people was Tulsi Gabbard. even though she spent eight years as a Democratic member of Congress. She had supported Bernie Sanders.

24:53She endorsed Joe Biden in 2020. Why? Because they knew that she was an outsider and that her intention was to go into the CIA and go into the national intelligence state and expose the corruption that was oozing all through it. Whereas, you know, even more reliable career people who come from there aren't willing to walk rock the boat that way. Even if they're more loyal to Trump, they're still institutionalists. That's why they her doing this is why they were petrified. Remember, Hillary Clinton called Hillary Tulsi Gabbard a Russian agent. They were calling everybody a Russian agent. They still are calling her a Russian agent.

25:30And what she did was bring a absolutely. Why should any of this have ever been hidden? She brought absolutely critical transparency. And now what we're seeing are new pieces of information. Specifically, you know, a lot of people in 2003 thought that Dick Cheney and the neocons were manipulating the intelligence about Iraqi MWMD because they wanted to go to war in Iraq. And they ignored the ones who were saying they didn't have MWMD and elevated the ones that said they did. We all know that happened. I heard Matt talking about it on your show. This is exactly what happened. The thing is, you need the documents and the transparency and the facts to really make the historical case in a totally definitive way.

26:09And that's what's new. That's what we're now getting. These kind of details showing exactly which actors in these agencies deliberately disregarded the intelligence that undermined their case and highlighted the intelligence that they wanted to promote as a political narrative. Often, as you just got done saying from the Michael Schellenberg article, in the same intelligence report, like, yeah, this helps. Let's use this. But let's consider this unreliable because this undercuts it. This is, Megan, the kind of extreme abuse of power that is as threatening to American democracy as anything they've accused Donald Trump of doing.

26:45This is deliberate interference in our elections, using the secret parts of our agency, disseminating lies. And here's the problem. This happens all the time is when these intelligence agencies do bad things and people at the time stand up and say it, most of the evidence is hidden. So you get called a conspiracy theorist or there's no evidence. The evidence only comes out years later. And by which point it comes out like now. And you want to say, hey, here's the proof. Let's look at that. People are like, why are you talking about 2016? That was eight years ago. We have so many other things. This is irrelevant.

27:20But the media will not cover this, I promise you. And you know why? Because I consider, although the FBI and the CIA took leading roles in the Obama administration, the media to be the primary culprits without them abdicating their role of oversight of these intelligence agencies, of being journalistically skeptical of what they were being told. They were more eager than anybody to close ranks with Hillary's campaign in the intelligence agencies. They gave themselves Pulitzers for this totally fraudulent reporting. To this day, they're proud of the role they played, even though other than I'm sure Russia did do some interference.

27:54We all big countries interfere in each other's politics all the time. That was never the scandal. The scandal was the collusion between Trump and Russia. And even the extent of the Russian involvement was completely exaggerated to the point where we now question whether they really did do the hacking. The problem is it's going to be confined to shows like this, to people like you and me. Fortunately, we have a lot more influence than we did eight years ago. Independent media doesn't so we can break through. Don't expect The New York Times and NBC News and the rest of them to take any of this seriously.

28:23They're going to run cover for it, which is why The New York Times published that Brennan Clapper op-ed, because they are as guilty as anybody.

28:31Glenn Greenwald:Well, that's true. I agree with everything you just said. However, if somebody gets indicted, the media is going to have to cover it and they'll run cover for it. But at least they'll have to cover it. They will have to put this in the pages of The New York Times if somebody gets indicted. And somebody really might. And it might happen soon because today's July 31st. And when we heard Ratcliffe, head of CIA, talk about how, oh, no, no, no, we're not out of time on all of the criminal claims we could bring here. And he started citing the Durham investigation and putting various people's testimony, including Comey's.

28:59Glenn Greenwald:I think it was August of 2020. And there's a five year statute of limitations on perjury under the federal. And Brennan, who denied that. And Brennan, too. Yeah. And Brennan. Yeah. So that would be that we could see an indictment within the next 30 days if that's what they're actually looking at. I just want to make one other point. I'll give it back to you. The Media Research Center has been looking at the media coverage of the new scandal. And in a post put out by Nick Kyle, who is, I think, referencing it, he writes as follows. He summarizes it as follows. CBS, ABC and NBC News spent 2300 minutes, 2300 minutes.

29:35Glenn Greenwald:Think about that, because like in the Kelly file, we were on the air for an hour. We only really had, depending on the night, 38 to 42 minutes of content. That's all you have. So if a story gets, you know, five or six minutes on the show, that's good. If it has like nine or 10 minutes, then it's probably the lead. And we really leaned in. But we're talking about twenty three hundred minutes by the three major nets on Trump and Russia in 1617. Fast forward to 2025. the same three nets have spent under three minutes discussing this latest update under three. And of course, it would only be because he puts it as discussing Obama slash Russia.

30:15Glenn Greenwald:I'm sure it was. Obama has denied the latest crazy allegations coming out of Russian agent Tulsi Gabbard's office. Exactly. Well, not only that, I mean, of course, like I said, how can you, you know, It would be like if you were to say, hey, Jim Comey, we think that there was a lot of FBI wrongdoing under your leadership. We would like you to go and investigate whether that really happened. Everybody would be like, why would you ask Jim Comey? He's the accused perpetrator. To me, this is the same thing when it comes to expectations of whether the media is going to report this. And, of course, they're not.

30:50And you are right that if there are indictments, which there ought to be, the media will be forced to cover that. But I promise you, I promise you the way they're going to cover it is by blaming Trump again, by claiming that this is exactly the fear that people had, that he was going to abuse the legal system and the power of the intelligence community to persecute and imprison his political opponents when that is exactly what they are so guilty of. Trump really hasn't done that. The ones who have done that are these people who spend eight years abusing the power of these agencies for no reason other than to undermine Trump because they viewed him as a threat to their power.

31:32And this is how the mainstream media is going to depict this. But this is, you know, in so many ways, of course, they have made they've done their own grave. That's the reason why you have a gigantic audience, even though you have no major media corporation behind you. It's the reason why so many people in independent media are more trusted precisely because of this behavior. So they can do that. They will do that. They have to do that. It's not just protecting their political allies like Hillary and Jim Comey and John Brennan. It's protecting themselves. But their ability to do that is significantly weakened, which is why I've been such a loud and persistent defender of independent media.

32:10Yeah, that's right.

32:12Glenn Greenwald:No, exactly right. It's a very different ballgame today than it was even four years ago. Never mind eight or ten years ago when she was doing all this. And back to Hillary, you know, the whole she she has a hat she's tweeted herself out wearing. But her emails, she's tried to turn it into this ridiculous joke like, oh, but the moon landing like you net cases who are still railing about this made up scandal. this thing that, you know, you've used to try to unfairly tar me. And you go on and you read about some of the, like you point out, like the backstory and the evidence on what she was doing and the motivation to, because she didn't think Trump was going to win.

32:54Glenn Greenwald:And the intel agencies didn't think Trump was going to win. No one thought Trump was going to win, including in the fall of 16. But she did need to distract from that email scandal, which was around her neck like an albatross. Trust me, we were covering it every night on the Kelly file at Fox News and it was getting heated and heated. And the FBI was looking into her behavior and we didn't know how it was going to come down. It was bad. She had clearly violated the law with that homebrew server that had been accessed by foreign agents. She compromised national intelligence information. She did think she would never have allowed anybody at the State Department to do under her.

33:30Glenn Greenwald:and that leaves me back to Schellenberger here. This is page four of his report. He says, he writes as follows. The Russian reports, again, that the Dutch spied on, that we got our hands on, also claimed, and listen to this. I mean, you probably already know this stuff, Glenn, but claimed that Attorney General Loretta Lynch, okay, this is back in 16, people remember Obama's president, Loretta Lynch is his attorney general and her DOJ slash FBI are investigating the Hillary Clinton email scandal. And also now we learn simultaneously working with a Hillary Clinton campaign to bury that scandal in favor of calling Trump a Russian agent agent.

34:11Glenn Greenwald:Okay. So the Russian reports also claim that attorney general Loretta Lynch had privately told a Clinton campaign official, and they name her Amanda Renteria, R-E-N-T-E-R-I-A, that she, Lynch, would make sure the FBI's server investigation did not, quote, go too far. So this is the sitting attorney general reassuring the group that's representing one of her targets, an FBI target of an investigation. Don't worry, I got this. We got to do something because it looks bad, but it's not going to go too far. Wink, wink. This is so fucked up. Goes on as follows. After receiving the Russian reports, the FBI, which is under DOJ, so technically Loretta Lynch is their boss, they went to Loretta Lynch and gave her what's described here as a defensive briefing, Like, yo, boss, the Russians have documents proving you had a meeting with the Clinton campaign and you told them you're not going to let our investigation into her go too far.

35:16Glenn Greenwald:And Andrew McCabe told investigators that Loretta Lynch's reaction was, quote, odd. And James Baker, the general counsel, noted Loretta Lynch's reaction upon learning of these allegations, quote, smelled bad. Baker stated, quote, how bothered he personally was when Lynch simply responded. Thank you. After the briefing. And let me go on because there's a little bit more. The same report. OK, quotes McCabe at length. This is actually jumping ahead to the 2018 Office of Inspector General report into the FBI's investigation of Hillary and the email. That report quoted McCabe at length about Loretta Lynch's reaction when she was told, hey, hey, we know what you've been doing and the Russians know it too, alleging that she pressured Comey.

36:06Glenn Greenwald:This is another piece that she also then pressured Comey to drop the Clinton email server investigation. And he said, Andrew McCabe, she read the allegations and I will probably never forget. She just finished reading them and said, okay. I mean, like I expected more of a reaction than that. Like I expected like, this is crazy. I never talked to that person, But she was absolutely stone faced and said nothing about the content of the memos, which I don't know how to interpret that. So that's her being accused in the latter instance of actually telling Comey, you will drop this investigation now.

36:41Glenn Greenwald:And in the former of telling the Clinton campaign, don't worry, I got this. It will not go, quote, too far. And in both instances, the FBI recoiling at her reaction, which when told we've got you, we know you did this shit with simply thank you or OK.

37:04It's so infuriating. It's so infuriating because part of me knows that there's not really going to be accountability for most of the people who deserve it. Maybe there'll be like a sort of sacrificial lamb that they give up and plead guilty. But the magnitude of this scandal, and I just want to underscore one more time, they did the same thing in 2020, the exact same people, when there was very incriminating reporting about Joe Biden weeks before the election that could have jeopardized his chances to beat Donald Trump. and the same exact people, the John Brennans, the James Clappers, all of these scumbags who have proven over and over that they're willing to lie, put out that letter saying, oh, this Hunter Biden laptop information should be ignored because it looks like Russian disinformation.

37:49And then Natasha Bertrand of Politico took that and said it is Russian disinformation. And from there, the whole, all those stories got discredited and ignored. They have been, it's not like it's a single scandal they have in their minds. And this is, I think, has been the biggest story of the Trump era from my perspective. I have a lot of criticism of Donald Trump's policies, as you know. But my biggest criticism of and my biggest concern, I think the story of the last eight years, has been that they view Donald Trump as such a grave threat to all the things that they thought were sacred. You know, way worse than, say, like a Jeb Bush or Mitt Romney, who they could live with.

38:24He wasn't just an ordinary conservative. He was coming in to, like, shake up the entire system that they decided. And when I mean they, I mean the attorney general, the FBI, the CIA and the mainstream media, especially that there can't be any limits. There can't be any rules. There can't be any other considerations other than the single minded goal of defeating Donald Trump and whatever they have to do to make sure that happens. and when he won to destroy his presidency, whether it be lying, whether it be abusing these agencies, whether it be disseminating falsehoods, whether it be inventing scandals, whether it be ignoring the orders that he gave to people who are supposed to be his underlings carrying out his democratic will, they would celebrate when his orders got ignored or subverted.

39:06This was a profound attack on democracy by almost every major leading American institution that abdicated what was supposed to be their principal role in every case for the single minded partisan goal of destroying the Trump movement, even though he had massive popular support. This is the threat to democracy over the last decade. And it comes from the very people who have paraded around and gotten very rich depicting themselves as the sole guardians of democracy. And that's why I have such indignation over this. I'm glad this is being there's more evidence now in the public domain, but it's been clear for a long time.

39:42Very clear. I'm glad Tulsi Gabbard gave more fuel to the fire, for historians to understand it, for people like you and me to talk about and tell the public how bad it was. But so much accountability is due because it corrupted all of our major institutions and still is corrupting these institutions.

39:58Glenn Greenwald:And on the Hillary point, she got away with murder. Lock her up was right and righteous. and Trump actually should have gone after her when he took office back in 17, January of 17. The only reason it appears that the FBI didn't go after her is because the fix was in and Loretta Lynch was really clear she wasn't going to do that to Hillary and was telling the Hillary campaign, look, you know, we kind of have to do this for window dressing, but don't worry, I've got you. That's what's alleged in these documents. And Hillary has been acting like she's the one who's been wronged. This is all a made up scandal.

40:42Glenn Greenwald:And the evil Trump who said she ought to be behind bars is so out of line. Meanwhile, Trump didn't do it. Everybody knows Trump didn't go after her criminally with his DOJ when he took office. And yet, as soon as he was out of office, they did it to him. So now he's back. And look, the statute of limitations on the Hillary stuff on that stuff has run, though she too testified in the Durham investigation, Glenn. And Ratcliffe mentioned her and the date of her testimony with Maria Bartiromo this past Sunday. We actually could see Hillary Clinton back in the criminal hot seat, which she totally deserves.

41:26deserves. And not me at the time she was out of government. Technically, she was a candidate. The people who really were the ones who broke the law most are the head of these agencies, the Loretta Lynch's, the Jim Comey's, the James Clappers, all of those people, the John Brennan's at CIA, the people in the Obama White House. But and this is what I think is also crucial to note is it wasn't just during the campaign. But, you know, there are times in the second Trump term when I do feel like the Trump White House goes a little too far in trying to like expunge anybody with the slightest dissent or this most like minimal suspicion of disloyalty to Trump's agenda because you kind of want some dissent in the executive branch.

42:07But I totally understand it because the whole first term was driven by the fact that although Trump won and his mandate democratically was overwhelmingly clear, they had all sorts of people in every part of the government who were there for no reason other than to undermine and prevent his agenda from being implemented, that they were working against him even to destroy his presidency hand in hand with the media and these same agencies. And so this is that's why that's why I mean this is not just like one of these isolated scandals where maybe the attorney general covered up criminal wrongdoing because it was a political ally.

42:42This has been an ongoing attack on American democracy and the will of the voters, using the most powerful institutions in our government, working hand in hand with the corporate media to undermine the will of the people. They never accepted that Donald Trump won the presidency because most Americans who voted, voted for him. They never accepted the democratic outcome. They believed their judgment was superior and they were determined to destroy his presidency and make sure he lost, notwithstanding what people wanted. And they abused and lied and contrived and fabricated, again, in a way that I thought was extremely clear at the time.

43:16But the more evidence, the better. And maybe there's so much evidence that's going to come out again, Tulsi Gabbard and people like that, that the issue has to be forced. And even though the corporate media will cover it up, they don't have anywhere near the stranglehold on the discourse as they previously did. And Americans will start to fully understand just how deep this rot went and continues to go.

43:41Glenn Greenwald:Let's talk for a minute about the Clapper Brennan op-ed in the New York Times, because this is the most pathetic fig leaf of a cover. And they did it because they knew everyone would take it and run with it, that all they have to do is throw out just a few kibbles of the dog food and all the media lap dogs will eat it, willingly run with it and repeat it, regurgitate it more accurately on every single newspaper and television show. they've decided to like kind of the way Obama did, like just kind of brush it off. She's obviously a stool pigeon. And, you know, we're not going to pay much attention to this Russian tool.

44:17Glenn Greenwald:This is what they say. Tulsi Gabbard and John Ratcliffe have over the past month claimed senior officials in the Obama administration manufactured politicized intelligence, that they silenced intel professionals and engaged in a broad treasonous conspiracy to undermine the presidency of Trump. That is patently false. In making those allegations, they seek to rewrite history. We want to set the record straight and in doing so sound a warning. By the way, they never sounded a warning. We don't know what the warning is, having read the piece thoroughly. They just wanted to say scary things at the top, like be afraid, be very afraid.

44:51They then cite the multiple reports that did conclude Russia interfered in the election,

44:56Glenn Greenwald:including, of course, emphasizing the 2020 Senate Intel report, which we've talked about quite a bit on this show over the past two weeks with Matt Taibbi and Aaron Maté. And really, that Senate Intel committee that investigated all of this appears to have just rubber stamped what had been given to them by the Intel services, that they didn't have subpoena power or their own really investigative, real investigative tools, and that not surprisingly, they rubber stamped what had been handed to them, the main thing they seem to want to prove was that there was no collusion. So they said that there was no collusion.

45:29Glenn Greenwald:But on the generic allegations that came after that, they seem to have just said, OK, yeah, they interfered. Fine, fine. But honestly, that's all falling apart. Whether the Senate found that or not, I don't really care. I can see that the intelligence, the underlying intelligence was based on nothing. It was based on a feather of intelligence that really wasn't worth anything. So they write the most noteworthy was the Senate Intel Committee report, whose Republican members at the time included Marco Rubio, now Secretary of State and Senator Tom Cotton, now the committee chairman. Then they go on to say that no.

46:02Glenn Greenwald:And then they make no comment in here, Glenn, on all of the new revelations that that we've seen over the past couple of weeks. Like they make no mention of the December 9th, 2016, new Russia interference assessment per the president's request. The thing that we found out Obama insisted on after he found out that the intel agencies were about to write, you know, the Russian interference, it wasn't that dramatic. Like they definitely did not hack our voting machines. And that's what you need to know. And he put a hold on it and said, hold on, hold on, hold on. Then they had an intel meeting with his chief of staff and all the heads of the agencies, the three letter spy agencies.

46:44Glenn Greenwald:And the next thing we knew, the report that was getting filed with Obama was, oh, they interfered. They interfered all day long up and down the river. They interfered. And then we get the intelligence community assessment in January of 17, which doubles down on all of that based on absolutely nothing based on the Steele dossier. And then we find out this week based on three other pieces of so-called evidence, which aren't worth the paper that they are printed on. So they made up, it appears at the president's request, the data they needed in order to say Russians interfered. But they don't address any of that.

47:15Glenn Greenwald:The reversal by President Obama, the new intelligence assessment. They don't address the September 2016 FBI and NSA assessment of low confidence that it was that Russia who did the DNC hack. None of that. They just gloss all over it and want us to believe that this is yet another Tulsi Gabbard hit piece on them. I don't know what jumped out at you when you read this. To me, it was more the omissions than it was the affirmative statements of fact. Well, first of all, I just want to say a word about the Senate Intelligence Committee, the House Intelligence Committee. These grew out of the only real investigation that Congress ever did about the abuses of the CIA, which was part of the 19 mid 1970s Church Commission report.

48:00And one of the reforms was, OK, we're going to have a Senate select intelligence committee that oversees the CIA. And in reality, they've completely co-opted it. They only put people on there who are loyal to the intelligence communities. For years, Dianne Feinstein was the ranking Democrat of the chair, and she was a huge admirer of the CIA, did all their bidding. The Senate Intelligence Committee is basically an arm of the intelligence community. So the fact that they endorsed it, even if it's Marco Rubio, Tom Cotton, whomever, is completely unsurprising. But here's the thing that I think is most important, Megan, is what Brennan and Clapper are trying to do is emphasize the claim that Russia interfered in our elections.

48:42And as I said, I don't doubt that to some extent Russia did because every single major government, including I hope it doesn't shock people, the United States interferes to a far greater extent in the eternal affairs of every country, including in Russian elections. We do that all the time. So had it just been that what they're now trying to say, oh, the evidence is clear. Russia had some interference, like a few Facebook pages or Twitter bots. No one. This would have never been anything. The only reason why it turned into anything was, number one, because they severely exaggerated the extent to which Russia was doing it and claimed that it came directly from Vladimir Putin, who had a strong preference to elect Donald Trump, for which there's basically no evidence.

49:24And that's where a lot of the manipulation happened. But also, number two, this the thing that enraged me about the Brennan Clapper thing was when they said, oh, we collusion wasn't really part of anything we did. If it hadn't been for this collusion claim, there never would have been a Mueller investigation. There never would have been a political scandal. It would have had nothing. They needed this fake collusion claim because that was the only way to rope in Trump. If Russia is interfering, how does that reflect poorly on Trump? And it's also, is Russia interfering because they know Hillary will win and they want to weaken her and sow confusion?

49:58Nobody thought Trump would win, including Putin. So this whole thing is an effort to rewrite history and to pretend all we ever said was Russia interfered. And there is some evidence that Russia interfered and everything else that's being said about it is a lie. when the entire thing was a political operation to smear Donald Trump, both as collaborating with the Russians to turn the election in his favor and Vladimir Putin, but also to claim that the Russians wanted Trump in office because they knew they could control him through blackmail leverages as set forth in the Steele dossier that never existed.

50:30So you're exactly right. The only reason New York Times printed this was for liberals and media people who wanted to demean and disparage what we're talking about to say, oh, look, and just grab some stuff from Brennan and Clapper, some phrases that they're allowed to use, say they denied it and rely on their reliability. But the whole thing is a complete revision of history about what the claims actually were. And they're pretending that all they ever claimed was that Russia did some interference. This is an absolute lie. And I think everybody remembers this.

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55:27Glenn Greenwald:So joining us now with his take on what we're seeing is Aaron Maté. He was just here the other day. He's an independent journalist. He covers the Trump Russia story for real clear investigations and sometimes subs for Glenn on system update over on Rumble. So these guys are friends and colleagues as well. Aaron, welcome back to the show. Glenn, thank you for sticking around. So, Aaron, one of the pieces that Glenn and I were getting close to in the discussion was the Hillary piece of this and the evidence, because that is they do name a couple of names in this appendix on who came up with this scam.

56:04Glenn Greenwald:And the name that we keep seeing over and over as one of them, at least, was Julianne Smith. Schellenberger writes, Julianne, it's J-U-L-I-A-N-N-E. He writes, the alleged creator of the plan was Julianne Smith, a Clinton policy advisor that the unclassified Durham report refers to as foreign policy advisor one. And this woman, look how happy she is. She's like, I got away with everything. I nailed it. And then Obama made me the liaison to NATO. I mean, not Obama, Biden. Like I continue to get employed by these people because I all I do is sit around and do the illicit bidding of my Democrat power boss.

56:47Glenn Greenwald:In any event, they appear to have gotten emails about her plan from Leonard Bernardo. OK, and just to set it up again, I mentioned this in the first hour, but it's confusing. So we're just going to do baby steps here because I know everybody's holding on by their fingertips here. Leonard Bernardo worked for the Open Society Foundation, which is the George Soros organization. Very, very, very linked to, you know, the Democrat elite, which would include Hillary. And Leonard wasn't very careful with his emails. So the Russians were able to hack Leonard. And that's where they saw the plan. And we now have in the Durham annex, like full screen grabs of the Russian memos that the Dutch got their hands on and leaked to us, where the Russians are recounting exactly what they saw Leonard discussing about this Hillary Clinton fan and emissary Julianne Smith and how they were going to stop Trump, undermine Trump, but most importantly, distract from Hillary's email scandal.

57:56Glenn Greenwald:Do I have it right so far? Yes, you do. Okay, you take it from there. Well, you know, the first thing I have to say here, just to be careful, is that Durham, when he weighed in on whether or not these emails from this fellow with Open Society, Leonard Bernardo, he says that he believes they are likely authentic. But he also said that he thinks some of this was a composite. So basically, the Russians, who presumably stole these emails, put different emails together. And it's possible in the process that Russia may have fabricated something. We just have to be open to that possibility, that in the process of putting this together, there was some Russian fabrication.

58:33But at the same time, everything that is laid out in these emails from Leonard Bernardo is exactly what happened afterwards. There was a Clinton campaign plot to frame Trump as a Russian agent, and not just through Christopher Steele, but also through the Alphabank scam, which someone like Jake Sullivan, who was then a top aide to Hillary Clinton, was pushing to the FBI. And that was this conspiracy theory that Trump and Russia were secretly communicating through the servers of Alpha Bank. And there was all this unusual computer traffic, which by all accounts was fabricated. And then you have also these emails talking about CrowdStrike, which is the private cyber firm that we talked about in my last appearance with you that launched Russiagate by publicly accusing Russia of hacking the DNC.

59:17And then they came up in June 2016. And who was CrowdStrike working for? The Hillary Clinton campaign. And who did the FBI rely on just as They relied on Christopher Steele. CrowdStrike. CrowdStrike submitted redacted reports to the FBI. CrowdStrike never let the FBI conduct its own examination of the DNC servers. And CrowdStrike repeatedly stonewalled the FBI's request to access the DNC servers. And that actually came out.

59:41Glenn Greenwald:Let me just interject because I like to keep it really simple for people. So where we are now is the FBI has been told via these leaks. Our Dutch friends came to our intel services and said, yo, Hillary's got a plan. It was all laid out by Leonard Bernardo. He's talked to Hillary's people. And look, this is what they're going to do. They're going to try to smear Trump as a Russian agent. So the FBI knows all this. And then we start to get the smearing. Then it starts. Like they say, here's the Steele dossier. Trump got peed on or watched Russian prostitutes pee on each other and all this stuff.

1:00:15Glenn Greenwald:And and CrowdStrike. Look at this CrowdStrike document that says the Russians hacked the DNC. And rather than saying, this is part of the plan, like this is we just got a warning this is going to happen. They swallowed it, hook, line and sinker, that piece of it they ran with. Meanwhile, they were looking at these same reports being like, Hillary's not really behind this. Exactly right. And it's really important that you stress the role of the FBI here and the fact that they received this warning before the FBI officially launched the Trump-Russia investigation. Because another line from one of these emails is that they're relying on the FBI to, quote, put more oil into the fire that they've started by linking falsely Trump to Russia.

1:00:58So there was an awareness, according to these emails, that the FBI was going to do exactly what the FBI did, which is launch a baseless investigation based on a ridiculous predicated by George Papadopoulos, which makes no sense. And we all know wasn't the actual basis for this and use the Steele dossier funded directly by the Clinton campaign, a collection of conspiracy theories for investigative leads and for surveillance warrant applications on Carter Page. So I don't know for sure if every single word in these emails is authentic. I want to be careful here because it just seems so perfect. And also the fact, and those of you on the right will love this, this comes from someone working for George Soros.

1:01:34I mean, it feels so on the nose to me. But if it truly is authentic, which Durham says it likely is, it's just more evidence of what a complete fraud this was.

1:01:44Glenn Greenwald:So here's a quote from the Russian memo, one of them, that we're now seeing. This is in the annex to the Durham report. And this is I'm quoting here from the Russian intel document that the Dutch stole. Hopefully everybody's with us. OK, it reads, according to data from the election campaign headquarters of Hillary Clinton, obtained via the U.S. Soros Foundation on 26 July 2016, Clinton approved a plan of her policy advisor. They call her Juliana Smith to smear Donald Trump by magnifying the scandal tied to the intrusion by the Russian special services in the pre-election process to benefit the Republican candidate.

1:02:27Glenn Greenwald:as envisioned by Smith, raising the theme of Putin's support for Trump to the level of the Olympics scandal, which appears to be a reference to Hillary Hillary's email scandal, would divert the constituents attention from the investigation of Clinton's compromised electronic correspondence. And they go on from there. There's another one they write. This is a July 25th, 2016 email from Leonard Bernardo. It doesn't say to whom, but that's where they say the thing about the FBI will put more oil into the fire of the plan to tie Trump to Putin. Bernardo later said something like, I don't know if that sounds like me, but didn't deny it explicitly.

1:03:10Glenn Greenwald:And it seems pretty clear he was hacked by the Russians. Well, he definitely was hacked by the Russians because Durham confirmed some of the emails as being authentic. He just left open the possibility that, you know, he couldn't confirm everything, but he did find identical language. Let me guess the most damaging ones to Hillary. Like he's not sure those might not be real. It's like Joy Reid and her blog bashing the gays like the most incendiary. Those don't look like me. That's where the hacker got in. The rest is fine. Keep going. Fair enough. And Julianne Smith, the aforementioned foreign policy advisor who said to be the originator of this idea of the smear campaign, she also said that she couldn't rule out that maybe somebody else had proposed it, that someone else had discussed something along those lines.

1:03:51And again, it's exactly what they did. I mean, Michael Sussman, who was Hillary Clinton's attorney for Perkins Coy, he hired CrowdStrike. He encouraged CrowdStrike to go. He connected basically CrowdStrike with Ellen Nakashima of The Washington Post, got that story published. He then went to the FBI with the fake data about Trump and Russia communicating through a bank server. So this is like these memos detail exactly what happened afterwards. So that's another reason to believe that they are that they are authentic. And but the fact that it was put in writing, if this is indeed the case, is just extraordinary.

1:04:26It speaks to, I think, Leonard. It speaks to the confidence that they had that they could get away with this. I think everyone assumed that Hillary Clinton was going to win. And so this was just, you know, part of the job. I mean, James Clapper had a line where he talked about we were working under the conditions of presuming that Hillary Clinton would be our next president. Why they all went along with this and why some were willing to put in writing is beyond me. But it speaks to the entitlement that they had. But it makes sense that they felt that way because look at the levels at which the FBI went to advance their fraud by launching the Trump-Russian investigation to begin with and keeping it going even after Trump took office.

1:05:00And in fact, Andrew McCabe, who was well aware of all this because he was briefed on it, according to the Durham annex. What did he do in May of 2017 when Trump was in office as the president? He opened up a brand new counterintelligence investigation of Trump specifically as being an agent of Russia because Trump had recently fired James Comey. That was basically Andrew McCabe's predicate.

1:05:21Glenn Greenwald:Sure. Sure. Andy, can I interject one thing? Yeah, please. Please. OK, I'm so glad you have Aaron here because I don't think there's anybody with a greater mastery of the like every detailed fact of this case that amazingly he retains all these years later. And there was a book, a bestselling book, number one in The New York Times bestsellers by a Guardian journalist named Luke Harding claiming to have had smoking gun evidence of Trump and Russia collusion. Aaron interviewed him. It's please go watch it on YouTube. The entire thing falls apart among the most minimal scrutiny. me, but I just want to add one thing about this motive.

1:05:55Why would they be so eager to blame Russia even if they thought Hillary was going to win? I think one of the most important things to realize is that the whole Hillary faction had a extremely hawkish obsession with Russia going back years. They wanted to convince the American people that Russia was our grave enemy to justify wars of the kind we're seeing now. And so it wasn't all just about undermining Trump. It was also demonizing Russia, convincing liberals in particular, that the evil to our country is Putin in Russia, and he's the reason you got Donald Trump in the first place. And I really think there's a through line between those lies that they told, those intelligence fabrications they disseminated, and a lot of the foreign policy disasters that we're seeing now with our endless involvement in this war in Ukraine and broader antagonism to a nuclear arm Russia.

1:06:45on.

1:06:46Glenn Greenwald:It's a twofer. It's a twofer for Hillary. She accomplishes a lot of goals. There's really no downside to her, especially if the intel community will go along with it. Never mind. Help her. So this is, again, back to today's news in this annex. Aaron, let me get your take on it, because this seems to strongly suggest that the FBI, notwithstanding the warnings that she was going to do this, not only didn't dismiss it when it started happening and say, oh, this is Hillary Clinton propaganda bullshit, but joined in and we're like, cool, great idea. There's a bunch in here that I don't totally have deciphered.

1:07:19Glenn Greenwald:I don't know if you have thoughts on this, but this is the Schellenberger report, which is helping us make sense of it. He writes, a verified email, so something we know is a legit email, dated July 5th, 2016, sent by an unnamed Clinton foreign policy advisor. I mean, it could definitely be this Julianne, but we don't know, to campaign advisors asked for help from the intelligence community to smear Trump. Quote, we're looking for ways to build on Franklin Ford's great and scary piece on Trump and Russia. And goes on from there about what she'd really like cooperation from them. In the sentence that follows, the Clinton foreign policy advisor appears to recognize that what she's proposing, getting people in the U.S.

1:08:03Glenn Greenwald:government's intelligence community to help the Clinton campaign is illegal. She wrote, I imagine the U.S. State Department's Bureau of Intelligence Research or intelligence community types might also have some insight. Obviously need to be a bit careful here, but eager to get specifics of details. Schellenberger, the outreach from the Clinton campaign to the intelligence community appears to have continued through July. Let's see. There's and then he goes on from there about the communications between them. But the Clinton campaign seemed to have so much hubris, Aaron, that they were openly saying we need to reach out to the IC to make sure they work with us on this.

1:08:42Well, that makes sense. And that tracks with what we know. It was previously confirmed that in early July, Victoria Nuland, who was a senior State Department official under Obama and then under Biden, that she approved the visit of an FBI agent to go to Rome, which required her approval because of her position in the State Department, to go meet with Christopher Steele. And it's at that meeting, this is July 5th, that Christopher Steele hands over the Steele dossier. So at that point, you have a State Department, a senior State Department official. This is July 5th now. communicating with Christopher Steele and receiving his conspiracy theories, which were then disseminated into the FBI.

1:09:20So that makes sense that at that early stage, you have people talking about, you know, communicating and collaborating with their friends in the State Department because it was already happening at the behest of Victoria Nuland.

1:09:31Glenn Greenwald:Now, I have another question for you before I let you go, and that's about Obama, because there are some references in here that I didn't totally understand to what he was doing. Okay, they write, let's see. The Russian memos, this is Schellenberger describing the annex. The Russian memos describe meetings between the chairwoman of the DNC, Debra Wasserman Schultz, and two executives with the George Soros Foundation for Eurasia. So back to Soros and his role in all this. Wasserman Schultz reportedly said in a January 12, 2016 meeting, so this is kind of predating all the stuff we discussed, that, quote, Obama has no intention to darken the final part of his presidency and legacy by the scandal surrounding Clinton.

1:10:14Glenn Greenwald:And, quote, the president put pressure puts pressure on FBI Director James Comey through Attorney General Loretta Lynch. Then in a March 16 meeting, Wasserman Schultz reportedly said that, quote, Obama sanctioned the use of all administrative levers to remove possibly negative effects from the FBI investigation of cases related to the Clinton Foundation and the email correspondence in the State Department. Is this what is this telling us that he wanted the email scandal whitewashed, that he was the one who gave the order that we heard Loretta Lynch espousing in our earlier this hour saying, don't worry, Hillary, we won't let it go, quote, too far.

1:10:58Well, listen, I have to I have not followed this aspect of the story very closely. I focus on the Russia aspect, but certainly the fact that Hillary Clinton received a tap on the wrist, this would track with all of that, which speaks to the broader impunity that our elites face. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if this is true. It just I can't speak to it at that level. Fair enough. I appreciate your honesty. Yeah.

1:11:21Glenn Greenwald:It is kind of fascinating, though, to see, you know, Obama early on saying we're not going to let the administration because this is this is his administration. She was his secretary of state. We're not going to let the administration get tarred with these decisions. So, like, to me, it sounds like a we can investigate a little, but we're not going to take it too far, which would dovetail perfectly with what else is in this annex showing Loretta Lynch allegedly going right to the FBI and saying, or to Hillary's campaign and saying, don't worry, it's not going to go, quote, too far. And indeed, it didn't go too far.

1:11:55Glenn Greenwald:James Comey announced that it wasn't going to. Now, interestingly, he did that. He made that announcement like right after he heard this. There was something, basically, he tried to make it look like he was totally independent of Loretta Lynch when he decided not to pursue the Hillary case. And I don't know whether he was or he wasn't, but it certainly seems like his boss had made clear previous to that to Hillary's people. Don't worry. The fix is in. Okay. Aaron, thank you. Appreciate seeing you. Keep us up to date. Will do. Thanks for having me. All right, Glenn. So before we move this, I've got to play this soundbite for you because I know you'll love it.

1:12:30Glenn Greenwald:Today, it's not Michelle Obama diddies. Today, it is little ditties from senators like Michigan's newest senator, Alyssa Slotkin, who was on with the newly canceled Colbert. And this is where she thinks the story needs focus. This is what she thinks it's all about. Sot six. Spiritually minded people out there like to think that some of the trouble the United States has is because of the what they call the deep state. Right. OK. And as a former spy, is there is there a deep state? First of all, a lot of them are former military. So, you know, if you can't be like pro-military and then anti-intelligence community.

1:13:09Glenn Greenwald:A lot of the guys are also like wearing mom jeans and white sneakers on the weekends. Like these are good corn fed people. This idea that there's some network of people that are running the world. It's just it doesn't really match reality. And for me, you know, the way that Trump is going after them is just it's particularly. First of all, it's nasty. Second of all, it's completely counter to our interests to be demoralizing the people that are protecting us. OK, she's she's the one who's going to stand up for the CIA, Glenn, against the evil right wing that is unfairly trying to smear them. I can't help but note, first of all, she is part of this crop of lifelong CIA operatives that the Democratic Party specifically recruited, you know, like Abigail Spanberger, who's running for governor in Virginia is another.

1:14:00because the CIA, Megan, for decades was anathema to Democratic Party politics. It was a staple of American liberalism that the CIA was a sinister force in our politics. And what changed in 2016 was they began to see the CIA as their allies precisely because of everything that we're talking about with James Brennan, with John Brennan in control of it, who politicized it to help Donald Trump be defeated and try and help Hillary Clinton be elected. And so here you see what is obviously a very liberal audience at Colbert screaming and cheering while a CIA operative defends the honor of the CIA. This shows how much these agencies have become politicized.

1:14:42You will never hear a Democratic Party elected official, not even on the left with like Rashida Tlaib or AOC or Bernie Sanders, ever criticize the CIA because that is the problem. They now recognize that these agencies have become domestic political allies of the of American liberalism and the left. And so you call on a 20 year CIA operative to say, oh, there's no such thing as a deep state. And these are just corn fed people. And, you know, a lot of people who work for the CIA are perfectly fine. But that doesn't mean the leadership isn't sinister, just like you criticize, you know, wars in the military.

1:15:17You're not impugning the integrity of the soldiers who go and fight. You're saying the institution has been corrupted.

1:15:24Glenn Greenwald:this woman is one of the most annoying women in politics people in politics i the audience may be familiar when she was at that pete hegseth confirmation hearing i wanted to punch her in the face she was so condescending to him well you know she she was saying to the next secretary of defense a guy who's done three tours of duty who left princeton to go fight for the country post 9-11 nobody leaves princeton to go put on the uniform and fight for the country okay most of those people are on the fast track to elitism. But Pete Hexeth did and fought valiantly for us in all over the world, in actual theaters of war.

1:16:00Glenn Greenwald:So she's got him there for the confirmation hearing. And if you really do care about the people in the military, and I believe that you do. I believe that you do. I do. But if you really do care, every comment was like, I will accept that you might actually care about the men and women in uniform. F you. He doesn't need your pat on the head. All right. He's done. He's been there and done that. He's got buddies. He lost. He doesn't need you, at least Alessa Slotkin to verify his courage, his patriotism, love of country and so on. It's just so infuriating. If you watch that whole thing, it's still, it's a very popular video that is on our feed right now.

1:16:40Glenn Greenwald:Okay. Anyway, I got to move on. So that's enough of her. There's a lot to go over. I want to touch on the Cincinnati fight. I'm glad you cut me off because I have a lot to say on her. So in the interest of moving on, I will give you a minute on Alyssa Slotkin because she's so fucking annoying. Yeah, it actually reminds me, it's one of the reasons why to this very day, I'm so indignant about them trying to turn Tulsi Gabbard into a traitor and a Assad loyalist and a Putin operative when Tulsi Gabbard as a young woman went and volunteered and fought in combat for the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan, not like in a lawyer's office, but in real combat.

1:17:18She does that. She's still in the U.S. military 20 years later in the Army Reserves as a lieutenant colonel. And then Hillary Clinton, who loves wars, sends people to wars, but never herself or her family goes and fights them, has the audacity to try and impugn Tulsi Gabbard's patriotism and imply she's a traitor. They do this all the time. Like, I have a lot of disagreements with Pete Hexeth, have disagreements with Tulsi Gabbard, but these are people who put the life on their line for the country. Like that deserves a minimal level of respect where you don't imply that their allegiance to the country or their fellow service members are in doubt.

1:17:51But this is Democratic Party politics. They don't care about that.

1:17:55Glenn Greenwald:No, not at all. And yet she's like she's clever because she's not she's not a dummy. You can hear her. She kind of talks the talk. She knows like the corn huskers. She knows how to sort of make a reference to right wing politics. And she keeps saying the same voters who put me in office voted for Donald Trump. You know, she's basically just the same as Donald Trump with just just like a different policy edge. Totally untrue. She's a wolf in sheep's clothing. And people should know that about her. OK, over to Cincinnati where we had this gang violence. It wasn't an actual gang, but it was a gang of people ganging up on.

1:18:29Glenn Greenwald:We counted three victims, a man, a woman and then another man in the write ups. They keep talking about just a man and a woman. I do not think it's the same man. I could be proven wrong. That's how like haphazard the information has been, though, coming out because we have an idiot running the Cincinnati PD. She came out and her only comment on this decided to chastise the journalists who are covering this beat down, which I'm sure she's very upset about because it's mostly black people. It's all black people beating up on a couple of white people. So she's you're not allowed to have that in modern day America.

1:19:02Glenn Greenwald:That can't be commented on. You can't say it's disgusting. These people should be arrested. It's bad. You can't say that's a hate crime. You can't say any of that. If it were the reverse, it'd be leading every newscast in America. So that's all we've had from her so far. We've had Vivek Ramaswamy, who's running for governor of Ohio and is from Ohio, saying this is outrageous. And I've spoken to one of the female victim and she's extremely hurt and he's going to hold a town hall out there, which ought to be kind of interesting. And then we had the vice president of the United States way in on what kind of a man would punch a woman in the face.

1:19:32Glenn Greenwald:Now we're getting the pictures of the woman who did get attacked. Her name is Holly. I don't know the full name. I don't think she's giving the full name, but she did give Bernie Moreno. Look at this. I'm sorry to the audience. This is jarring. Look what happened to this woman for the listening audience. Her right eye is entirely black. It's not purple. It's black. Like, like something you'd see out of like the little rascals. You know, like that's how overdone it looks, but it's real. This is right after she got out of the hospital and her lips look enormous with the same like black color bruising.

1:20:06Glenn Greenwald:You know, they say black and blue. Boy, oh boy, is she ever thanks to the beat down in it. And the entire right side of her face is yellow. And you can see the bruising there too. After she got slammed, can we show them a video of what happened to this woman? Um, which is how this happened to her and on her chest too more bruising severe bruising and neck here's the attack

1:20:28Glenn Greenwald:somebody's getting up a man in a white shirt we don't do not believe they're together she seemed to try to intervene she gets shoved to the ground and before that happened one of the assailants punched her in the face and then we think kicked her in the face and she looks she on the ground. She looks dead. Thank God she was not dead. She was severely hurt. So now you get, um, a council woman, a council woman, Glenn, actually, before I leave the council woman, or before I, before I go to the council woman, the police chief chastises it all. This is because of you. You don't know what happened on the videos.

1:21:07Glenn Greenwald:You're misrepresenting. You don't know what came before the videos in response to which literally every journalist alive covering this said, great. Show us what happened before. Totally open-minded to that. We got the narrative wrong. Like most journalists would like to know if they've been completely misled. And if there's something that would make the white people look bad times that by 10. Right. Like, great. Give us a way we can blame it on the two white people. We're in. Did she? No, she didn't mention anything. And now we have the Cincinnati detective Barney Blank, who does offer more information.

1:21:39Glenn Greenwald:And what he's saying is this was a coordinated attack by two of the black men who are now under arrest. So the more information does not seem to exonerate the two white people who got attacked. It seems to further indict two of the assailants who happen to be black. Here's that Cincinnati detective. So this is more kind of an ambush as to. Mr. Merriweather's involvement in this, he we believe that he coordinated this with Mr. Matthew. So those two, those are two black defendants who have been arrested. He said they the video shows Meriwether again arrested, walking up to Matthews, also arrested now, whispering something to him and approaching one of the victims from behind before striking him in the face.

1:22:24Glenn Greenwald:Meriwether and Matthews then chase the victim who is trying to retreat to the ground before punching and kicking him. According to, again, this Cincinnati police detective, Barney Blank, the detective added that Meriwether then went after another man. That must be our second man, Banks. We believe he coordinated this with Mr. Matthews, now a co-defendant. We have Mr. Merriweather coming up behind the victim, striking him in the side of the face from behind. But then he said police are looking into whether the victim struck Matthews or first struck Matthews, because we did see, and I pointed this out to the audience, the white man in the one snippet of video was the first to lay hands on someone when he slapped one of the, you know, about to be gang members.

1:23:11Glenn Greenwald:So he's looking into that. But he does say that this was a coordinated attack by at least these two. And a lot of people started this. There's a lot of people that started this. Matthews attorney says what actually happened, according to him, he's defending one of the people who have been arrested, is that Matthews was allegedly standing on a street corner for his business. When a fight broke out, the attorney added that Matthews tried to break up the fight. And when he returned, a man was kicking his business vehicle. When Matthews went to confront the man, he was slapped in the face. So he might have been on the receiving end of that.

1:23:41Glenn Greenwald:But the detective is saying, no, no, no, no, no. Matthews was coordinating with Merriweather and they had a plan and they chased the victim who was trying to retreat. My point is, Glenn, there is no big video, contrary to what this police chief told us, that shows the media got it wrong or that the white man is to blame or that he uttered a racial slur, which was what was all over the internet two days ago. And the media has moved on. So your thoughts.

1:24:10In a way, I feel like between this and the whole Sydney Sweeney and then the like Dunkin Donuts ad, I feel like we've been catapulted in this time machine back to the worst excesses of 2020, which we, I thought, had all left behind. I do want to say that one of the things the police chief said, just to be fair, like that I think is valid, like in the abstract, just like as worth considering is that one should be cautious about assuming everything based on video circulating on social media. Like as a lawyer, you know, there's a reason we have an evidentiary process, an investigation. Sometimes things can be misleading.

1:24:48You don't see the beginning of it. You don't see parts of it. I think that's a fair warning. But the issue here is that there are certain things that cannot be justified no matter the context. What we saw here is somebody laying on the ground after he's been hit, struck down on the ground, completely emotionless. And then you have people coming over and kicking him in the face, punching him. And then you have this white woman who also was punched in the face. And once she's down, like, you know, was repeatedly punched in the face and you saw the damage. Unless they have a gun or are like able to menace somebody, This has nothing to do with self-defense.

1:25:26This is savage, barbaric behavior to just try and kill somebody or crush their skull while they're on the ground. This is inexcusable. The reality is that the only reason this has even become a controversy is exactly what you said, which is the racial aspect that should not be part of this equation at all. if, as you said, this was, you know, two black victims, a man and a woman who had gotten pummeled and beaten in the way that we saw by a white crowd, this would be leading every newscast. We would have all sorts of protests around the country. We would have all kinds of meaning driven from this and pink pieces and the like.

1:25:59But because the race is reversed, there's like this discomfort about saying, no, this is actual savagery. This is barbarism. And the people who did it ought to be severely punished, even if there's something that we didn't see beforehand. Like, as you said, that white guy, it was kind of like a slap that didn't look very aggressive or violent. But, you know, it was still a slap. People have the right to defend themselves. But this wasn't self-defense. This was, you know, an incredible amount of savantry and violence. And there's this discomfort whenever that racial dynamic is where the black people are the villain and the white people are the victims.

1:26:32It just doesn't comport with the narrative that a lot of people want to have. And as a result, you know, you get these kind of excuses. Yep.

1:26:42Glenn Greenwald:And it's not leading the newscasts all over the country. All right. Now let me spend a minute on the city councilwoman. Then we'll take a break. Her name is Victoria Parks. She decided to post on Facebook after seeing these same videos. They begged for that beatdown, expressing that she was grateful for the whole story. This is a city councilwoman. They begged for that beatdown. Now some Ohio state representatives are calling for her resignation. She hasn't responded to the blowback. She has a record of progressive active activism, including declaring racism as a public health crisis and making Juneteenth a paid county holiday.

1:27:18Glenn Greenwald:She previously announced she would not seek reelection and would retire at the end of her current term. The Fraternal Order of Police President Ken Kober called her comment unconscionable, saying it reflects a toxic political climate and urging voters to demand change. It's really unbelievable. They beg for that beatdown. This person has been elected to a public post in Cincinnati. and honestly, it's the same thing with me, like with the police chief, she gets out there, she should be saying, I'm sorry, I didn't have more officers on patrol in what was obviously a fraught area. I am sorry we didn't have this area better covered.

1:27:49Glenn Greenwald:Instead, she was like, no one called 911 until too late in the process. You know, poor us. Now, great. It would have been nicer if somebody had done that instead of videotaping. True. But then she had a lecture for journalists. It's like, you know what? Maybe you were covering the wrong area of town. Perhaps you had this particular corner understaffed because there appears to have been scores of people there who were irate and your people completely missed it. And that's why Holly looks the way she does. And we haven't seen a picture of the other guy. But in any event, it's amazing to me to see this celebrated by a city council woman.

1:28:22Glenn Greenwald:What does she know? She doesn't know anything we don't know. If there were a videotape of these people saying you're an N-word or beating mob like these other, you know, would be assailants, it would be released by now. It would be released by the Defense Council. That's why I say I feel like we've been catapulted back to this weird time warp that I thought we had all agreed to depart from. And that seems very distant, but apparently it isn't. The city councilwoman here is black. She has a history of activism on behalf of the black community and also using the kind of racist discourse against white people that in 2020 was considered noble, but has now sort of been widely recognized as not the kind of racial division against anybody that we want to be promoting.

1:29:05So again, all you have to do is reverse this as if there's been a crowd of white people bashing the crap out of a black woman and a black man who are on the ground and they're kicking their heads and trying to kill them. And a white member of the city council had come out and said, yeah, they had it coming. I'm celebrating this. They asked for this beatdown. That person would be ripped limb to limb, figuratively, if not literally. And but, you know, there's still this sense that like, oh, when the races are reversed, there's some kind of like legitimate sentiment that allows a member of a city council to justify and condone savagery of this type because the victims are white.

1:29:40And so some in some way they had it coming. This is this to me is the kind of toxicity that 2020 and the whole woke movement produced. that I think most East and Americans ended up really recoiling from and backlashing against. And apparently in some sectors, it's still acceptable because she said it publicly. It's not like she got on tape saying it to a friend. She posted it on Facebook, I think it was.

1:30:05Glenn Greenwald:Yes, yes. And this is the kind of thing that we all have a responsibility to come together and condemn. Yeah, she anticipated no social penalty. And she's not being forced to resign. She's just, you know, some council person is asking for it. that's not good enough. She right now remains in power. It's a shame. Back in the day, we didn't have Bitcoin or AI. We worked hard, we saved what we could, and we planned for the future. That's still smart advice today. With everything going on in the world, job uncertainty, rising costs, unpredictable markets, there's never been a better time to protect your family's future.

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1:32:27Glenn Greenwald:Welcome back to the Megyn Kelly show. Kamala Harris back in the news and who better to discuss Harris with than Pulitzer Prize winning journalist and host of Rumble's System Update, Glenn Greenwald. All right, Glenn, she's writing a book. It's called 107 Days. She's releasing it now, just as the news comes that she has decided not not to run for governor of California and increasing speculation that what she really is going to do is run for the Democratic nomination in 2028. So she has longer than 107 Days, the title, because that's all she had to actually run and try to seize the presidency. Here is her little promo online for her book.

1:33:10Just over a year ago, I launched my campaign for president of the United States. 107 days, traveling the country, fighting for our future. The shortest presidential campaign in modern history. It was intense, high stakes, and deeply personal for me and for so many of you. Since leaving office, I've spent a lot of time reflecting on those days, talking with my team, my family, my friends, and pulling my thoughts together. In essence, writing a journal that is this book, 107 Days. With candor and reflection, I've written a behind-the-scenes account of that journey. I believe there's value in sharing what I saw, what I learned, and what I know it will take to move forward.

1:34:02In writing this book, one truth kept coming back to me. Sometimes the fight takes a while. And I cannot wait for you to read this. And I'll see you out there. Take care.

1:34:16Glenn Greenwald:Oh, my God. Okay. It really says something. They went to her gland and they were like, literally the only thing that's interesting. about you is those 107 days. You were vice president for eight years, four years. Sorry. No one cares. Look, literally nobody gives a shit about what you did. Nothing. We know that. Can you just tell us about what happened when you got drafted and came by? So what do you make of her 107 days book and her announcement on California? First of all, I do think there's something kind of unscrupulous and tawdry about how failed politicians who spend their life in politics are immediately able to go and get mega rich.

1:34:53by writing some self-serving book. We just learned Joe Biden got a$10 million contract for his book, which obviously he's incapable of writing. And it's like a chronicle of failure. I don't know what she got, but I'm sure it's many millions of dollars. The second thing is what's so grating about this, among other things, is that the title itself is nothing but an excuse. It's basically a way of saying, yes, I lost, but it's not my fault. I only had 107 days. That's the whole point of the framing is to say, I had the shortest campaign in the history. When in reality, had she run a good campaign, had she been an interesting person, a substantive person, that could have helped her because a lot of times too much exposure is what reveals your flaws.

1:35:35She could have ridden that excitement, the whole brat summer thing. It's just that she ruined her campaign by who she is. The third thing is, remember the last three months of our campaign, Megan, were based on the explicit appeal to the American voter that Donald Trump is a fascist and a Nazi-like figure. And if he wins, American democracy is going to be imperiled. He then wins. She's the standard bearer of the Democratic Party. Joe Biden is gone. She's clearly the person who's supposed to do this. And she completely disappears. Not a word of anything over eight months. OK, take a month vacation.

1:36:10That's understandable. The campaign is intense. Like, how do you call somebody a fascist and Hitler and say American democracy is ending? And then when they win, you just disappeared except to show up at some like real estate function where you got paid a couple hundred thousand dollars in Australia to give a speech. Everything about her is a fraud. And I think even in this announcement, you know, it's so free of substance. This is supposed to be a person who wants to be president. There's not an idea. She doesn't have a thing to say. And the whole book is going to be just a self-serving. Yeah, I was fighting for our future.

1:36:46Glenn Greenwald:And this book will be about the intense, high stakes and deeply personal journey with candor and reflection. You've said nothing. You've once again failed to inspire us or even titillate us, which is a tease you're supposed to be doing at all. Or even like say what is in this book that like we should be interested in or like how about an idea? You know, she's like, I'm going to stay in this fight. Like what fight? You've disappeared for the last eight months and have been doing nothing but like enriching your time in public office. Momdani is more is closer to the leader of the Democrat Party than Kamala Harris is.

1:37:24Glenn Greenwald:I mean, that's very clear. Wait, I want to show you one more. He has real views. He has real views. At least he has real views. You know, yeah. And that's what people want. I want to show you her TikTok cringy video teasing the book. Let's watch this one. Okay. Yeah. Everyone thinks you've been kicking back, drinking margaritas on the beach, but really you've been hard at work writing a book, meeting with leaders, thinking about the future of our country. Who said that? What was that? She's doing it for listening audience, like with her hand over her mouth, like she's telling a secret. I don't even know what we just saw.

1:38:03Glenn Greenwald:If you had to work to get it, it's a fail. You know what? The thing that makes me feel the most embarrassment for Democratic Party leaders is you can tell they've been told by consultants about how they should reconnect to the younger people. Like Chuck Schumer, they always tell him, like, go on and pretend that you're about to curse because you're so angry and out of control. And he's like, those bastards. I mean, those those Republicans, you know, like this whole fake attempt to like be like Trump and speak regularly. So she's trying to be like a talker. And then also this excuse, like, I know you think I've disappeared, but what I've been really doing is writing my book.

1:38:42It's like, who does that help? You're being paid many millions of dollars. You supposedly think there's all these rights in danger to democracy imperiled. And you're trying to pretend like we don't think you've been doing anything, but actually you've been meeting with world leaders and pondering and then writing your book that you're getting paid millions of dollars for that will do nothing but justify why you lost and blame everybody else for your defeat. I mean, and also the TikTok, you know, vibe that she's trying to create that. So she's a 60 year old woman. It's fine. We're not 20. Like, I don't pretend to go on TikTok and be 20.

1:39:15Right. They should stop doing that. You know, it's just it's all horrible. It's like a very quick reminder of everything that makes her awful.

1:39:24Glenn Greenwald:I know. I welcome her back into the spotlight. Come on in, sister. The water's fine. It's great to see you again. OK, before we go, I got to show you this. Martha Stewart, the goddess of home decor and events, has weighed in on Meghan Markle and also Gwyneth Paltrow, for whom she had nice words. But when she took a turn to Ms. Markle, it sounded a little different. Take a listen. What is it like to watch other celebrities, you know, Gwyneth Paltrow, Meghan Markle, going in your footsteps and following something that you really started? I don't mind. I don't mind. Good luck. And Gwyneth's been very successful, by the way.

1:40:10I think she's she's created quite a quite an interesting body of businesses. She's admired. She's a fantastic. She won an Oscar, for heaven's sake, as an actress. I mean, she's pretty powerful. Megan, I don't really know very well. And I hope she knows what she's talking about. Authenticity to me is everything. And to be authentic and knowledgeable about your subject matter is extremely important.

1:40:39Glenn Greenwald:That is such a classic and effective Martha Stewart burn. She's like the other is a know nothing faker who's just glomming on to me and my brand, which, by the way, Maureen Callahan and I discovered firsthand, Glenn, when we did our parody of Megan's stupid Netflix show trying to make herself into the next Martha Stewart. We realized her one pot pasta is just a blatant ripoff of Martha Stewart's one pot pasta, which turned out to be like one of her most famous recipes. And it's honestly just like an unabashed ripoff. I'm sure Martha's heard about it and is probably like, who is this fool trying to imitate that she's me as she out of the other side of her mouth complains about how her castle is too small?

1:41:25It's funny. I was going to do my pitch for Maureen Callahan, because as you know, I don't want to say she's my favorite program on YouTube because I have one. You have one. And it's not really political, but she is my favorite program on YouTube because she's the best cultural commentator I've ever seen. soul areas so cutting about the people who deserve it but i also want to say just tying into our other conversation there's a documentary on martha stewart uh about her prosecution on netflix came out a couple months ago that i really encourage people to watch because it was a completely unjust prosecution driven by one james comey who decided he was hell-bent on putting her in prison for no reason simply to aggrandize his own career and his own image to rise in in politics and it's really worth watching for the Jim Comey angle.

1:42:10But yeah, Martha Stewart sees exactly what Megan Markle is. And one of the things I love about Martha Stewart is she's very blunt and has never hidden what she thinks, but it's very subtle. She's very good at that. And you walk away understanding exactly what she thinks.

1:42:25Glenn Greenwald:I think I'm in love with her because she also trolled the Blue Origin crew after they went up there and literally wanted us to call them astronauts. That was my inspo for my trolling that I did with Maureen and my stylist and friend, Sarah, where we went up on our own space flight, quote unquote, and also became, quote, astronauts because Martha trolled them by posting her own zero gravity flight. And she's like, hey, you know, let's not forget about this. She's like she's pretty savage, Martha Stewart. And she knows a loser when she sees one. I want to tell you this. with Love, Megan, that stupid program on Netflix, failed to rank among Netflix's top 300 most watched titles between January and June.

1:43:07Glenn Greenwald:The Post, New York Post confirmed Markle's eight part series ranked 383rd with just 5.3 million views since it debuted on March 4th. 5.3 million. I've got clips of you, Glenn Greenwald, that that have more than that on our on our feed. It's crazy how low that was Harry's show Polo, also on Netflix, was watched by only half a million people. It's at number 3 ,436. Losers enjoy Montecito. Glenn, I got to run. A pleasure. Thanks for being here. Always great to be with Megan. Thanks. What a lift today. Gosh, we covered a lot. Thanks to all of you for listening. Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

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