Nolan Wells Alternate Scenarios, the Dangers of Online Games, and Catching Predators, with Chris Hansen | Ep. 1367

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30:18That's A-R-M-R-A dot com slash Megan. Chris, thank you so much for being here. Well, Megan, thank you for having me. This case is really disturbing. It is disturbing. It's outrageous. It's disturbing. And I tell you what, you know, I've interrogated or interviewed hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands of men over the years, including my own sons when they were the same age as Nolan Wells and Hudson. And you see that interview with Hudson, and the thing that's striking me most right now is that he doesn't appear to be deceptive. He doesn't seem to be lying about this or nervous. It's obvious that he cared about Nolan.

30:55But the reality is, Megan, somebody had to be the last one to see Nolan alive, right? So the question now is, who was that, and what did they see? it's frustrating to a lot of people and if it was my child i'd be frustrated too and i understand the concern about the phone and no videos but there's no evidence that the phone was scrubbed and having been a lifelong boater on and off from the time i was nolan well's age i understand why they would put the phone in the center console or in the front console of the boat because you're up to your waist in water so while nolan was a prolific snapchatter and like a videotape and post all day long, I can understand why he didn't in this particular case.

31:41But again, why does a young man stay behind, right? At that age, it's typically because of a young woman. Was it Katie who he was chatting with? Was it another young woman? And what happened in that time frame after Hudson and the fellows took off in their boat? Did he try to get out another boat? And these are things that are going to be difficult to find out. Hopefully, I know that the DA's office and the sheriff's office are investigating 60 witnesses. It would seem that four or five of those have the most significant information. I would also tell you that they're about to finish the forensic examination of Noah's phone, and I would want to do some sort of an examination of the phones of some of the other kids who are out there.

32:24And I think sometimes those examinations will create a timeline and create some idea of what exactly happened to this poor young man. They'll know. If anybody wiped that phone, they are going to know that. They already know that, right? They know whether it was wiped or not, right? And if it was wiped, it's very easy to pull it back. We find in our sting operations, the local law enforcement and feds go through these phones forensically all the time. And even if they delete the suggestive text messages, the illegal, illicit text messages that these guys send to these kids in our stings, they're all retrievable.

33:08There's nothing that's deleted forever. And I think you know that as well. Yeah, that's right. Right. So we'll know all of that. And you're right. They probably already know that. And their messaging has been no signs of foul play. Boys are all cooperating. I'm pretty sure we're going to get a diagnosis of accidental death by drowning. That's where my money is. Well, you know, the thing about investigations like this is that if you rule out any possibility or if you focus exclusively on one potential outcome to the exclusion of others, you're going to miss some leads. So they have to keep an open mind.

33:46I do respect the sanctity of the grand jury and the fact that they're not saying a whole lot about it, as opposed to some other recent investigations we saw, like in the Nancy Guthrie case, where the sheriff was having separate interviews with separate media at separate times in the day. It was so herky-jerky, you couldn't even keep up with what was going on. And it's a bad way to run an investigation. You know, you either have one. No, it's true. You have a briefing every day. It's 4 o 'clock. And if something develops, then we'll call you all. But that thing was just out of control down in Arizona, and my heart still breaks and will always break for that family.

34:19But in this case, at least there appears to be some investigative integrity in terms of not igniting this thing into a situation it may not be. Racism? I mean, if there was racism, then why does a kid who's black get invited to go hang out with all his white friends? I mean, you can tell by the way they got along. Lifelong friends. Lifelong friends, right? So I don't think, you know, who knows? Was there some horrible guy on the island who took issue with something that Nolan did? You know, something horrible happened? Is it a cover-up? You can't exclude any of that. But there's certainly no evidence that that did happen.

34:58And I don't think his immediate friends give off the vibe of being in collusion to cover up something evil. At least I don't see it at this point. I totally agree with you. We can't rule out that somebody on the island may have done something to Nolan. But this knee-jerk blame the friends, as you heard Congressman Jackson do, specifically citing the fact that they're white, is just outrageous. I hate when people jump off on things without knowing the facts, and they're just running their mouth for the sake of running their mouth. And that's what that is. You know, I understand the family hiring Ben Crump because they want answers.

35:35I get that, right? I totally do. And that's their right to do that. But, you know, the other question I have, Megan, is that, you know, this wasn't an island where you could duck over to the crab shack or, you know, grab a fish sandwich or hang out or, you know, there was a campground or anything. There's nothing there. So I don't think that he planned to spend the night. And there's no other missing human with whom he could have spent it, even if they had some cockabama plan to build a campfire and have a romantic evening and get picked up in the morning. There's no ferry in and out of there.

36:12So at some point, he had to want to get off that island. I think, you know, a toxicology report, which always takes weeks longer than the initial autopsy, will explain if, you know, he had a lot to drink or very little to drink. Nobody has, at least that I've seen, said that he was drunk or over-served or incapacitated. In the rush to get out of there on many boats, could he have slipped, fallen, hit his head? he wasn't going to try and swim back to the mainland. That's 10 miles. So that's, I think, what's fueling some of this stuff is that there's no logical explanation that I have seen as to why Nolan would stay on the island and miss the last boat out of there.

36:56Right. That's the second part that I agree with that changes it. Because we do know why he stayed behind, at least according to everyone who knew. What a shocking surprise. He was with a girl. An 18-year-old guy wants to chat with a girl. Oh, my God. You know, of course. There's no other motive for it. Every 18-year-old boy on the planet who's in that situation, surrounded by cute bikini-clad girls, is going to want to talk to one of them. That's their job. Absolutely. That's their job. Especially if you feel like you got one on the line. It sounds like you may have been connecting with this Katie.

37:27Look, think of the mood here. And I don't know whether it was Katie or anybody else. I'm certainly not suggesting anything untoward or questionable about this young lady. They're all out there having fun. You remember what it was like to finish up high school, get ready to go to college, go back to school. You're an athlete. You're a football player. You're a stud. You look great, feel great. You had a couple beers. You know, you're just enjoying your life. But something happened between the time that that boat left, the boat that he had arrived on, the boat that apparently had the bilge problem, and the rest of the boat's leaving.

38:01And I know those situations where those raft-ups occur are chaotic, but I can't think of a way, and it frustrates me, and I did some reporting on this before coming on, knowing you're going to want to talk about it. I can't figure out why this young man either stayed behind or was left behind. Say he passed out. Let's just say for the sake of discussion he had a few too many pops and he passed out. Kids do that. And he wakes up, and he's cold and he's shivering. He doesn't have a cell phone. That's horrible. But, you know, what makes him get in the water and try to swim 10 miles? I don't think he does that.

38:37I think he does the best he can to stay warm on the island and hope that somebody figures out he's missing, which they did. And they sent rescue crews out there. Well, the other possibility is they're strong undertoes, but he was said to be a strong swimmer. Now, no one's a strong swimmer when they're drunk. We don't know whether he was. Yeah, and I'm not saying he was. But the other possibility, Chris, is that I'm at the beach for the summer every summer. I'm not a beach person, but I am surrounded by beach people and beach news now for 20 years. And one of the things that happens, in addition to people dying from the undertow every year, unfortunately, is they get hit by boats.

39:17They get hit by boats. Well, that's what sticks out to me. Last summer, there was a guy who got thrown from his own boat. It was a freak accident. It was like the wake of another boat came. It jostled him into his throttle of his own boat, which it pushed his boat forward unexpectedly. And he and another got thrown off of their boat. One of the two was able to to swim out of the concentric circles that that that their own boat started to make because now it's not there's no one at the helm. Yep, exactly. And he did not have the little connection between the key and his waistband that they urge you to have.

39:59And the second man was hit by the boat and killed. And you see that all the time. If you take your kids tubing or water skiing, you have to put the flag on your boat to tell everybody, I've got a person out of my boat nearby. Be careful. Not everybody does, especially in a place like this where it's a bunch of kids. and I can easily see something happening where one of the other boats leaving, if he were in the water, possibly hit him and he went down that way. There's just so many possibilities. Well, you can slip off a boat too. I mean, even as an experienced boater, a skipper, you know, I took all the Coast Guard classes and did a lot of boating on the East Coast in Michigan.

40:39And you can slip on the swim platform of a boat. And I've caught myself a couple times over the years right on the edge of something, and it can be slippery, and you're not paying attention for one split second, and down you go. And I can recite case after case of celebrities who have had issues on boats. The ballplayer Norm Cash was coming out of a restaurant in Beaver Island, Michigan, walking on the dock, slipped between his boat and the dock. They didn't find him until the next morning. You know, it happens fast. But I still think that somebody had to see something. I mean, if he's jumping on the back of a boat and they're all taken off at the same time, somebody sees him.

41:19Somebody has to be the last human being to see Nolan Wells alive. And I'd like to know who that is. I mean, especially if it is as they tell us, which is he was one of the only black boys there. So, I mean, he would be memorable from that standpoint. It wouldn't just be one in a sea of others. He was so obviously beloved by those other kids that I would be shocked if that played into it. Now, again, I wasn't there. I don't know what happened in the waning hours of that party. I don't know what time the very last boat took off, the very last group of boats. I presume it was before dark, but you never know with kids.

41:54So, you know, I'm sure they're focusing in on that time frame and those boats. And if I were investigating the case, I would have the phones of every kid who was in that vicinity or every kid whose phone I could get. And I would do some pinpointing and gather the forensic evidence. And I'd be looking carefully at that. We'll find out. I'm confident that if there is foul play, I think they'll figure it out. And the sheriff's office there and the DA there, I don't think they have any motive to cover this up. I mean, I think some of the families there, you know, they come from money. They come from influence.

42:35You know, I heard somebody say, you know, I was middle class growing up, and my dad had a boat, but we weren't rich enough for him to let me drive that boat. And I understand that concept. And these people are obviously well enough off that they could afford to have their kids drive their boats. And I get that. And my kids drove boats. And thankfully, we never had an incident like this. But if there was foul play, somebody's going to talk. The evidence is going to exist on one of those phones. Somebody's going to say something, and we will find out. If it's an accident, either way, my heart breaks for this family because this is just something that shouldn't happen, and you can't keep your kids in the basement, and you've got to allow them to go out and have fun and do adventurous stuff.

43:18That's how kids develop into good adults. and to have this happen as a result of something that was supposed to be so fun and such a rite of passage, it's terrible. It's horrifying. It's awful. It is. I can hear it in your accent that you're from the Midwest. And you mentioned that you're from Michigan. I would be remiss, Chris, if I didn't ask you about this Haley Stevens accent. Please, you tell me. No, I'm putting you through it. Let's play it and then you tell me whether this is how Michigan is. michiganders speak here we go i am going to be working on our behalf i am going to be telling the stories on our behalf and you better believe i'm going to be doing it with a little bit of joy a little bit of enthusiasm a little bit of energy and a little bit of stick it to them because that's the michigan way is that chris farley the next thing i thought she'd say was I live in a van down by the river.

44:18Yes. She's one off. That is not, I have a friend from Detroit and she doesn't sound like this at all. Yeah. Born in Chicago, grew up in the Detroit suburbs. Our primary family home is in Michigan. We have a place here in New York City, too. And that is not how my people talk in Michigan. And it just, I was, and I was talking to my wife yesterday. And I said, have you seen this Haley Stevens thing? I said, what coaching is she getting? You know, we're registered voters in Michigan. We have to go vote, you know, at some point in all this. And, you know, there are a lot of consequential races this year in Michigan.

45:00But that is not indicative of anybody I know, either in politics or in the civil service. Yesterday we played the before clip. If you go back to 2019, she sounded like you now, like a normal person from the Midwest. What is this? Not at all like this affected person. I didn't know who it was. I thought it was somebody pretending to be her when I first saw it. I thought it was a joke. Yes. Yes. It does sound like a joke, but sadly, it's no joke. It's not Chris Farley. It's just a Chris Farley wannabe. All right. Let's turn the conversation to you, my friend. So how many years total at NBC? I was 21 years at NBC.

45:41I came in 1993 from Detroit, where I was a reporter at the NBC station. And I was a correspondent for a year on a show called Now with Tom Brokaw and Katie Couric. And after a year of that, they merged that show in with Dateline, and then I became a Dateline correspondent. Okay. Okay. And looking back, it's amazing that To Catch a Predator, that was only a three-year series. Yeah, just about four years. And it went from like 2004 to just before 2008. So right around four years. But then, you know, they were so tight about the way that they produced that, you know, they wanted, like we would do an investigation, for instance, and say if we're in Riverside, California, where we had a big investigation where 51 guys showed up, they would, we would edit that into two hours, two one-hour dateline segments, right?

46:37Ultimately, what they realized and what we do today is we take these case by case and we expand them into episodes involving, you know, one guy because it's so compelling, so interesting, and, you know, you see justice being handed out right there. So for years after that, they would do what they called Predator Raw, where I would go in the studio and recut the intros to everything, and those would air. Those aired for several years on MSNBC, the cable channel. Here is a little sampling of, you see Chris is sitting in front of the moniker, have a seat, which is the name of his new show, but, and it's your tagline that, that you unleashed on these guys when they were caught by you.

47:17But here's a little highlight reel along those lines. That seven. He tries to follow the decoy. Have a seat right in that chair. Instead, he runs into me. Please sir, I really drove this far for no reason. Why don't you have a seat real quick? Yeah, I know what this is. No, please, I need you. Yeah, I know what this was. I just went to test it. Why don't you have a seat there and get comfortable from that? I had a feeling this was going to happen. You had a feeling what was going to happen. Go ahead, sit down please. No, alright, alright. Well, no, I need to talk to you about a couple things, and I think you're going to want to talk about it.

47:50It's going to take a few minutes, so why don't you have a seat? How you doing? Pretty good. Why don't you have a seat right over there? Did you find the place okay? Did you find the place okay? No, I didn't. It took you a while. Huh? Did you get lost? I don't know what you're talking about. How you doing? Why don't you have a seat right over there? So you've got a big afternoon planned, huh? Why don't you have a seat right there, please? What's going on? And they did it. They sat. They still do. So many sat. Megan, last month we did a sting in Marion County, Florida near Ocala. Fifty-eight guys showed up in six days, including a second-grade school teacher who was here on a work permit from Jamaica, who was also a children's author.

48:40You can buy his books on Amazon or you could. and the cases are more dramatic and more compelling and more disturbing than ever before. We had a guy show up in this latest thing who thought he was talking to the father of a 7 and a 14-year-old boy. And he drove on a Saturday afternoon to the parking lot of a Target store thinking that he was going to meet the dad and they were going to go in and ogle these two little children up and down the aisles. He's going to live out his fantasy, the initial phase of this sex party he wanted. And then they were going to go back to the dad's house and both of them were going to engage in sex acts with a 7 - and 14-year-old boy.

49:31And so he's arrested. They take him down. And this all rolls back to the sheriff's office. And I get a chance to interview this guy. And he basically gives it up. But here's a guy who was married, a workaday guy, installed lighting outdoors at people's homes and businesses. And this guy could have been in your front yard thinking God knows what. That's terrifying. In the beginning, Megan, I thought, all right, this is very compelling. We've obviously hit on something here. We did the first investigation in Bethpage Long Island. We did a second one in Herndon, Virginia, outside of D.C. Then we did the big one where we finally worked with law enforcement in Riverside County, California.

50:15And I thought, okay, well, at some point, guys are not going to show up, right? Right, they're going to know. They're going to know. NBC's lurking. They're going to know that it's us. They're going to know it's Chris Hansen. And then I started hearing, oh, I've seen the show. And that blew me away. And I thought, well, okay, now for real, we're going to do one where nobody shows up. and here we are 22 years after the very first investigation 22 years and we took some breaks along the way but it's been pretty steady that we've been doing these and now on my streaming network true blue we call the show's takedown we've got 250 episodes we've done the last four years and sadly still showing up sadly yeah and they're still taking a seat wait stand by chris because it was quick break yeah but we spend the rest of the show with chris hansen on his investigations.

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52:57I'm Chris Hansen and I work for Dateline NBC and we're doing a story on adults who try to meet kids online. I would want to be, oh boy. You ever see the Catch a Predator show? Yes, I'm not a predator, sir. I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC and we're doing a story. I need to tell you that I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC and we're doing a story on adults who meet teens online and then try to meet them in person for sex. If there's anything else you want to tell us about the situation... I can understand how y 'all legally have been able to do this. Oh, we can. Okay. Have you ever seen the program Dateline NBC?

53:35Yes, I probably have. Oh, my God. Have you ever seen the stories where... Yes, yes, yes. Men come to the house trying to meet you? Yes, but I wasn't trying to do that, I promise. Well, I've got to tell you something. I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC, and we're doing a story... Mm-hmm. on guys, men, trying to meet teens on the internet. They were stupid. I'm a stupid man. It's just, it's a thing of beauty to watch him take these guys down. Back with me now, Chris Hansen. He is the host of Take Down with Chris Hansen and a longtime investigative journalist. Chris, I want to make sure the audience knows how to find you because we've got Take Down.

54:13We've got Have a Seat. We had To Catch a Predator. So tell us exactly how people can see what you're doing right now. So we have a streaming network, Megan, called True Blue, T-R-U-B-L-U, and people can subscribe or check out our YouTube channel as well, WatchTrueBlue.com. And the takedown episodes are where we investigate the predators, we bust the predators. Then we have two podcasts. One is Predators I've Caught, which goes back over the old cases, and we show people where these guys are today. I love that one. Yeah. And so for me, it also lets me dig in and relive the experience and say, look, this is what this guy did afterwards, right?

54:54He either got his act together, if that's possible in these cases, and he hasn't been in trouble, or you won't believe what he did next. And then we have the Have a Seat podcast that drops every Wednesday, and that's more of an interview program. We do a lot of different things, whether it's the Epstein case or other investigative stories, crime-related stories, and sometimes just some things that I'm interested in. So those you can watch on the Have a Seat with Chris Hansen YouTube channel, and they're also available anywhere you get your podcasts. I'm thrilled to see you thriving independently, free of NBC.

55:31Well, you know what it's like, man. I recommend it myself. You know what it's like. It's not easy when you start it, but I've got to tell you, for a guy who's been doing this as long as I have, this is the absolute perfect combination and such freedom to have your own network, to have ownership of the content and ownership of the distribution of that content. I honestly cannot think of a better way to do this. And again, I'm not ingrateful to NBC. You know, I was there 21 years and built a brand and a name and was able to have the freedom to, you know, explore these areas, to travel the world.

56:19But it was time. It was time for me to do this. And you know that all too well. And I applaud you for everything you've done. It's amazing what you've accomplished. I was there less than 21 months. Right. I think it was less than 16 months if we're counting, but still met a lot of wonderful people, a couple of whom are still with me, working for me now. So I feel like we rescued each other and got out of there. And look, you know, there is such a robust opportunity in the independent lane for you to have a direct relationship with the audience. And it's so authentic and real because they don't have to click on your face.

56:54If they're there, they're there by choice. It's not like, oh, well, he was on Dateline and I watched Dateline. Or, you know, even on Fox, I used to say you never knew if it was like they were tuning in for you or it's because you followed O 'Reilly or because it's a Fox fan who just has Fox on all day long. So I love that about this lane. It's very real. Whatever relationship is there, it's real. And you have impact. And, you know, we do a lot of different investigations at True Blue. It's not just, you know, the Predator takedown investigations. We did a major documentary called Dangerous Games about Roblox.

57:30We've got five or six other documentaries. We've got to talk about that. Yeah, and we will because it's important because anybody who's got a child on Roblox has got to be very careful. This happened to a friend of mine. Yeah, I bet it did. A friend of mine had her son on Roblox. I mean, she didn't have him on it. He was on it like a lot of kids are. And someone started inappropriately messaging him. And she had no idea. She was like, wait, what do you mean? On Roblox? and you've taken a deep dive into this game and it's not the only one that your kids may be playing innocently online, innocently on their part, where they have a disgusting pervert reach out to them and try to connect.

58:06It is a playground for predators and, you know, parents trust this game because it's marketed to children. Its characters are often resembling Lego characters. So parents, grandparents, they think it's safe, but it's addictive. It creates the potential for predators to be able to approach your kids. We recently presented the results of our investigation at CrimeCon, Megan. And there's an advocate whose name is Schlepp. He was victimized by somebody he looked up to on Roblox. He's a whiz kid on Roblox. He was like a young guy who was a creator. and he's just an amazing sharp kid. And he went through this horrible deal where he was exploded by this grown man on Roblox.

59:00And then he went to try to expose other people who are exploiting children on Roblox. And what did Roblox do? It banned Schlepp. They had an opportunity to say, look, this is going to be one of our young ambassadors would teach kids how not to get exploited here. And they banned him. They don't want to hear the bad news about this. We had a case while we were investigating this. We worked with a law firm in Chicago. And they represented, at the time we started our investigation, they had 500 cases, Megan. And now it's approaching 5 ,000 because people are coming out of the work. Oh, my God. In the course of this.

59:41Well, right, because most people, like my friend, she just said, get off of there. You know, you're banned from there. And that's, I think, what most parents would do. Yeah, that's it. leave it there because people are busy. But the truth is, if all the parents who have had this experience with their kids filed a lawsuit or called the authorities, the numbers would probably be a lot bigger even than the ones you cited. By the way, I can only imagine Chris Hansen walking through CrimeCon. Was it like, did you feel like Tom Cruise? I do it every year. It's quite something. It's very flattering. But it's a great way to meet people who are very devoted, followers of our content.

1:00:21You know, I tell my two oldest boys are in the business. One behind the camera, one in front of the camera. And I explained it this way. I said, we work for those people, right? We may get our checks from advertising companies and networks and everything else, but we work for the folks who watch our shows. We serve those people. And so if you don't want to be in the public eye, if you don't want to be gracious or act accordingly, then you're in the wrong business. Everybody is due their private time. We all hide out. We're all blessed to do well in this business because we work so hard at it. So we can go hide in northern Michigan or wherever you go to hide.

1:01:01It's great fun. You need to recharge your batteries. But we have a responsibility. And so going to CrimeCon, to me, is part of that. But you talk about this world we now inhabit, Megan, that I've got to be the oldest guy in America with 1.1 million TikTok followers. I mean, it's crazy. But it's a very valuable tool for journalism. And in the course of the Roblox investigation, you know, it got out there that Schlepp, who's got a big social media following, was working with me. And a woman reached out and just made a video saying, I'm trying to reach Chris Hansen and his team because I've got a story about Roblox.

1:01:41And my wife happened to see it and said, you should talk to this woman. And, in fact, we tracked her down. And the story is incredible. She caught her husband. Now, she's got kids of her own with her husband. Is this a Texas story? Yes, Harlingen, Texas. Wait, I have a little sound bite. I'll have a sound bite. I'll play it, and then you tell us the story. Stop 20. What's being shared is that you were on Roblox. You had a sexually charged conversation with a 15-year-old girl. Right, something to that effect. And I can share this with you. you say you're fire my tongue on that area will have you screaming all right i'm i'm not i'm not joking girl taste you really nice your lips be hugging me really tight y 'all have a good night all right anything else you want to say jesus no sir no comment okay well thank you for stopping i appreciate it well you heard what jesus had to say clearly he knew exactly what we were talking about, indicating that even people here at work have been approaching him about all this.

1:02:46But as for now, he's done talking. On January 30th, 2026, Jesus Zaringa was arrested and charged with child grooming, a third degree felony.

1:03:02Go ahead, Chris. So this woman reaches out and I said, well, look, I'd like to include you in the documentary. We fly down to Harlingen. We interview her. She pours out her heart to me. I mean, she caught her husband grooming a teenage girl in California, and she reported it to local authorities, but she had to do the hard work here. And I always say, if you want something done online, find a woman of a certain age or a college-age girl and put them to work on her because they're going to get to the bottom of it. And, in fact, she did. Yeah, especially if they think they've been cheated on or betrayed in any way.

1:03:39She got on social media, found out who the girl was, found out who the mother of the girl was, you know, didn't want to reach out to the girl because she was underage. You don't want to startle her or, you know, traumatize her. She finds the mom and says, look, this is what happened. And here's the evidence. And so the mom coordinates with Hollingen police to get the girl to give a statement, all done by this one woman. And they make the case. The wife of Jesus. The wife of Jesus. And so she's great. I mean, she's and then so all this develops organically within the documentary that we're already doing.

1:04:23Right. We interview other victims who had gone to this law firm and we had interviewed Schlepp, obviously, the lawyers, attorneys general, both in Florida and Louisiana. You know, both tigers when it comes to protecting children. And now we have this, and she calls me and says, hey, they're going to arrest him this afternoon. I said, look, I can't get a crew down there. Can you make sure you get it on your cell phone? And she gets it on her cell phone. Text it to me. She's great. And we put it in the documentary. And what more could you ask for from somebody in that situation? And it was one of the most, I mean, it was horrible that it happened.

1:05:03But in terms of television production, you can't make that up, Megan. Yes, yes. She was a mama bear. And it developed organically within the larger story. But it was so impactful and so important. And we just started about four weeks ago. We're going to do another hour. We did two hours on Roblox called Dangerous Games. And now one of the things that we're seeing, we've seen it all along, but one of the things we're going to focus on is this 764 exploitation that's going on in Roblox. And you talk about, I mean, predators are evil, but these 764 predators take evil to another level. 764 is a group of nihilist anarchist terrorists, and their whole mission in life is to exploit children, get them to harm themselves.

1:06:00They want followers. It's the darkest, most confounding thing, Megan, that I've ever come across. And a couple years ago at CrimeCon, I presented and did a panel. And even after doing the panel, I didn't realize how deep this goes. But it was invented by a guy in I think in the UK ten years ago and he's gone in jail. There's a woman who's very interesting, Becca Spinks, and she is a bit of a modern day warrior when it comes to like a demon hunter going after these 764 guys. She's in Texas. I had her on my podcast and she's, if people want to check it out, it's on one of the Have a Seat episodes.

1:06:41But she goes on and finds these people and exposes them. And I just finished two interviews with mothers of kids who were exploited by these 764 guys. And they actually, and I've had a father on this show whose daughter committed suicide. And what they preach is if you have a suicide attempt that you live stream, you get so much attention. And if you go to a mental ward of a hospital, you can actually get out from under your parents' authority. You can blame them for things they didn't do, and you can be free, and you can be a part of this group. And it's the most twisted, dark thing that I have ever come across in 44 years of reporting.

1:07:24I mean, it's just crazy. And they run rampant. And so, you know, we wanted to talk to Roblox about all this. And I had multiple calls with the press people and a Zoom with their chief of safety. and they just wouldn't sit down to talk about any of this. And they claim that we're doing a hit job, which is bullshit. They're afraid. They're afraid and they're arrogant, Megan. They believe that they've created this world and they know what's best for it. They have implemented safety measures, facial recognition, age verification, but kids know how to get around it. The predators know how to get around it.

1:08:03And during CrimeCon, this most recent one, Schlepp was with me. And actually, he's banned from Roblox, but some people he knew created an account, and I went on and just existed as a kid. And within seconds, I started to get approached by predators. And this continued to happen. No, this is live. You can check it out. It's live next week's episode and have a seat. We're going to show you what happened at CrimeCon. But someone at Roblox got tipped off that we were either doing it or someone was in the crowd, and they cut the account. live. The whole thing is amazing to watch. Oh, wow. That's disturbing.

1:08:44I mean, there are a bunch of different games online that you've got. Do not just hand over the phone to the kid and let him do hours and hours on these games because you don't know. Some of them do have messaging. Messaging features. And there's currency. I heard you mention Minecraft, too. Minecraft you have to be careful of. I'm not as aware of the Minecraft issues as I am of the Roblox because we've investigated and discord because a lot of times the Roblox conversations can move to discord and that's the wild wild west but Minecraft you have to be careful with to any game where your kids can interact you have to be careful of who they're talking to and all of this comes down to a discussion that you have to have with your kids and from the very moment they have access to the internet you've got to tell them look there are grown-ups on the internet who try to trick kids kids don't like to be tricked and then you have to ratchet up that conversation as they get older you know engagement is profit for a company like like roblox right so anything that limits engagement and it's a publicly traded multi-billion dollar company, hits profits.

1:10:05So they want engagement. They don't want regulation. Every year we see all the CEOs of the platforms get hauled in front of Congress and questioned about what happened to my child and what happened to children in my district. And they all swear up and down, they're going to fix it, they're going to do more. And they do. But six months into it, all the lawmakers lobbyists get involved and they start you know diluting the legislation and so it's take two steps forward and one step back so at the end of the day well i know i've i've heard you say you've got to sit the kid down and we've done this with our children too and explain especially as they get older how the scam works they will pose as a young girl they will or you know if they're dealing with boys or as a young man if they're dealing with girls they will try to get you to send them a nude.

1:10:57You'll send them a nude. You shouldn't do that. But if you do that, then they'll come back. They'll threaten to send it to every single one of your friends, unless you send them$3 ,000 or whatever it is. And at that point, you must come to me and dad. You must trust us to come to us. This sextortion documentary they've been working on for, you know, on and off for a couple of years, it's going to drop very soon. And I sat across from four sets of parents, Megan, whose children committed suicide. One of them is a state lawmaker in South Carolina who's been very active in this space. And you talk about just gut-wrenching conversations, all because the kid sent a picture of his private parts, and he was worried that grandma was going to see it or his friends were going to see it.

1:11:45You know how kids are with their social media presence. It's their whole world. And if they just had... Or they get a video of them masturbating, something that would be genuinely humiliating. Yes, but it's over in 15 minutes. It's done. Right, the news story, or the story. These are good parents, right? These parents are among the best parents you could ever find. But the kid gets caught up in this shame. And the next thing, they're going to get dad's gun, and they're going to the bathroom and shooting themselves. Or they're hanging themselves. And had they just gotten through that 30 minutes of crisis, those kids would be alive today and and that's why we we were so you know compelled to to do this documentary and it'll be out soon on true blue and i'll make sure you know all about it because it's really compelling but again the message is look i get you're going to make a mistake but the mistakes today are way different than the mistakes when i was 15 16 years old you know there were there were very little consequences then and there was no internet so they're you know there just wasn't the trouble you could get into.

1:12:51But today, you know, these kids are so tied into this, that it crushes them if they think it's going to be destroyed. And they worry about getting into college. And they worry about, you know, their buddies on the football team. And you just got to tell them, like, look, we can go to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. We can, they have a program that'll wash this stuff off the internet. You know, we'll take care of it. Right, right. It's a moment that will pass. It's a crisis. Victim. Yes, exactly. Yeah. We've talked with all three of our kids about this. And you have to. Because, you know, you like to think that your kid will never make that mistake.

1:13:26No. But kids do make this mistake. Good, sweet kids make this mistake. All these kids were good kids. You know, they'll send them a video of some random girl behaving inappropriately to lure them in, to lure the boy in. Like, oh, I'm talking to a real girl, and she sent me this, and I would like to see more of that. And if I just send her this, I will see more of that, and then they've got him. They've got him. And then he's in a downward spiral panic that you're going to find out he did this. You're going to be humiliated by him. He's going to be humiliated in front of his classmates and so on.

1:13:56You have to front it with them. This could happen. Don't worry. We'll help you fix it. This is like a scam. Even if you fall for it, we've got you. It's worth having that conversation now before it happens. I want to keep going. But first, I do want to say Roblox, they say on their website, They aim to provide a safe and positive environment for all users, especially children. They take the safety of their youngest users seriously. Appreciating how top of mind internet safety is for parents and policymakers. Their platform is designed with safety in mind, yada, yada. You can read the whole thing.

1:14:30We'll post it in our show notes. All right, I want to keep going because the interactions with the predators, that's how this whole segment and you became a household name. Because they are, yes, extremely compelling, but also so curious. it's they're so like you don't totally understand why they don't run why they interact with you why they do as instructed with the have a seat not all but so many so we've pulled some of them some of the more um shocking ones and we'll we'll talk about a couple of them i know you know joshua ryan simpson i heard your episode on him among others here is here is in thought 14 chris confronting a naked Joshua Ryan Simpson, and you will see how that happened.

1:15:18It's not 14. You got to make good on your deal first. The deal, as discussed online, was for him to get naked as soon as he arrived. Still clothed here. You want to take something off? I'm going to let you go first.

1:15:36Here he goes. We're wondering in the back room Of the Stinghouse Watching all this on Monitors If he's going to go all the way I mean who walks into a stranger's house And does this The jeans are off At least we know he wasn't carrying a gun

1:16:05There goes the shirt

1:16:11There go the underwear.

1:16:17Now naked and holding his privates. It was a little chilly, I suppose. The onside decoy says she's going to go use the restroom. So, he's out there waiting. Josh is. Waiting. and we're watching. It's time to start the show. But you know how to make yourself right at home, don't you? Have a seat on that stool right over there. Nope. You can put your clothes on. Josh asks if he can put his clothes on. I was pretty insistent that he did. Chris.

1:16:59You can't make it up, Megan. That one had a shot to even you. It does shot. It had a shot to even you. Just for the record, that's the third guy in the history of the predatory investigations who's walked in naked. Number three. Did he have a seat? He did. Well, he got dressed first. I'll tell you a funny backstory. The very first guy who walked in naked, John Kennelly, special guy 29, who was neither 29 nor special as it turned out. But he walked in naked. I give him a blanket. But he's sitting on this stool naked, which nobody wanted to obviously sit on after the predator was there. But the house we were in at the time, we rented from a retired FBI agent friend of mine who I'd known for many, many years.

1:17:43And it just was a good fit. So this stool has been in existence for all these years. So it gets sent around to various friends of mine. This box will arrive. And it's the stool where Don Cannelly sat naked. Ew. I think a lawyer friend of mine has it in Michigan right now. But I guess we should. You're going to get a video back one day of just flames. Yeah. Flames. It's done. We got to give that a good scrubbing and maybe we'll sell it at an auction for charity or something. There was another guy, Marvin Lackam. Yeah. He did it too. We have that. We actually have that. Let's watch Sot 9 and then I'll give it back to you.

1:18:21Why'd you take a seat? Have a cookie. I made that because I'm going to cool it. It was kind of a little surprise. You want to explain yourself? Grab that towel right there, please. Wrap it around yourself and please sit in that stool. What are you doing? Making a mistake. Making a mistake. I mean, I can only imagine what would have been going on in this house had I not been here. Am I wrong to think that? No, you're not. So what's going to be happening if I'm not here? You're naked, there's a 14-year-old girl, you're chasing a cat around, you've got Cool Whip, and you want this girl to do some sex act with the cat and then you'll have sex with her.

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1:23:34It is a good reminder, though. We have enough of our own predators. We don't need the ones from Trinidad or anywhere else. We had one, you know, as I mentioned, the teacher who was here on a work permit from Jamaica to teach at this special school in Ocala. And, you know, we find a fair amount of illegal immigrants in these sting operations. I see fewer in the last six or eight months for, I think, obvious reasons. There's been a crackdown. But, you know, we see it. And we've got enough problems in this country without, you know, guys being here illegally from whatever country. trying to harm our children.

1:24:12We do indeed. There's a guy named Jeff Sokol. You have him on camera. This is from November of 2016. Interacting with the decoy girl. We have a bit. It's Sot 10. Let's watch. How are you? Good. How are you? Good. Do you find the house okay? No, because it's really dark out. You showed up with a pizza. That's a long drive. Yeah. All right. Sorry, I'm really nervous. Oh, you want to give me a hug? No, I'm sorry. I've just never done this before. I know. Have you? No. Not really. I mean... Are you telling me the truth? I mean, I've met girls online, but... I... I don't, like, come, like, this far to, like, meet someone.

1:24:59I don't know why I, you know, whatever. It's kind of crazy, huh? It is crazy. Yeah, why did you let me come? I don't know. If you're so nervous. It seems like a good idea and you seem nice. Why do you think I came? I think I know. Okay, and then enter Chris Hansen and the guy starts eating the pizza. Let's watch Sot 11. Is somebody here? No.

1:25:31What kind of pizza we have tonight? Who's this? I'll get to that in a minute. Who are you? Who are you? You tell me first. You're Jeff, right? Yeah. And what are you doing here tonight, Jeff? Hanging out. Hanging out with whom? With her. Who's her?

1:25:52I want to know who you are. I want to know a little bit more about you first.

1:25:59Can I eat first? Sure, go ahead. Tell me who you are, because, you know,

1:26:07I didn't know the other people there. Well, what did you expect to happen tonight, Jeff? Didn't have any expectations. No expectations whatsoever? No. So you drove... Two and a half hours? Sure did. From Boston. Who are you? To come here... Are you a dad? To meet a young girl. Are you a dad? I will get to that in a minute. Oh, it's worse than that, Jeff. Go ahead. Have a good one. Now, you know that the scroll is 13, right? Wasn't sure. Unbelievable. You're stone cold, by the way. You are unflappable. Like, you always have a sense of humor. You control a situation. You never get rattled. Like, I don't know how you do that, but your coolness is a critical ingredient to the exchange working on television.

1:27:01Well, you know, look, I'd be lying if I said I was that way from the very first investigation we did, because that first one in Bethpage Long Island, I was just trying to keep my throat, my heart out of my throat and in my chest because, you know, we're doing this for the first time. And I'd done a lot of edgy stuff over the years and all over the world. But, you know, you've got a guy and you're face to face and you've got security, but, you know, you don't know how this thing is going to roll. But by the time, you know, we got four or five of them down, you know, you just got to dig deep and you have to be incredibly focused.

1:27:34You got to be a quick study with the transcripts and you have to be incredibly patient. You can't just read 10 questions off of a notepad. You got to get inside this guy's head and you got to live there is, you know, as challenging as that sounds and as grotesque as that may be. but that's how we get the information. I mean, a good interviewer, as you know, is a good listener. And so you live in that moment and, you know, you're thinking about a lot of things, your safety, his physical actions, how he's looking, you know, could he be carrying a gun? Some parts of the country, it's easier to carry a gun than others.

1:28:11And you've got security. I mean, look, we make this absolutely as safe as it can be, Megan. You know, I've never taken a punch. I've never gotten a scratch. I've never, you know, nothing has ever happened, but we don't take it for granted. You You know, each one is a new protocol, and we go through it very strictly. But, you know, you need to keep control of the situation. And over the years, you know, I've kind of figured out a way to do that and kind of read people. And this particular guy I sensed was not a threat physically. He certainly was a threat to a 13-, 14-year-old girl. I mean, he had a marriage contract in the front seat of his car that he thought would protect him from legal prosecution if he could get this girl to sign it before they had sex.

1:28:57What? I swear to God. He had this in his car. And he had thought this thing through. So finally, we bust him. And he's still eating the pizza. They take him away. And he does, I think, two years was his sentence. and this was in Fairfield, Connecticut. And after he served his sentence, he became so notorious. Everybody knew who Jeff Sokol was. They still do. He actually went to court, Megan, to try to legally change his name. The judge denied his request and then denied the lawyer's request to seal the hearing because he wanted people to know that this guy tried to change his name and that he's still Jeff Sokol and this is what he did and this is what he got caught doing.

1:29:44Wow. God bless that judge. What about that? We played the one clip where somebody said, I don't know if this is legal for you to be there and showing the guy on camera. He didn't want to be on camera. And you were like, it is. We're good. I have always wondered, how do you get away with that? Well, there's no reasonable expectation for privacy in this situation. What we're watching here, and I think one of the reasons why these investigations are so compelling to people is you watch the commission of a felony in real time. You watch me confront the felon with evidence in real time. And then you watch justice being served in its initial phase in real time.

1:30:30Now, along the way, there's obviously a dark, darkly humorous part of this. And I tip my hat to it. I play into it because I think that's reality. That's what it is. And people who watch this sort of expect that. I don't take it lightly. I don't make fun of it. These are serious charges. Every time we arrest one of these guys, we prevent a sexual assault of a child and maybe many others, depending on who this guy is and what he would have done. So I play into all of that. And I don't think there's another place where you see this, and especially in the new takedown episodes where we take, you know, our time because it's streaming.

1:31:17If an episode justifies 35 minutes or 40 minutes, it goes 40 minutes. If it justifies 18 minutes, it's 20 minutes. Do any of them ever sue you? Not successfully. And I'm not being a smart aleck. I'm thinking, you know, who's ever filed a lawsuit? Nobody, I mean, the evidence is so squarely against them. I mean, the crime is committed. Why do they want to expose themselves to more discovery or more scrutiny? The crime is committed in most states in the chat. It's the solicitation of a minor. And so when the law enforcement authorities and the prosecutors get this, the evidence is in the chat. They can get a conviction just with the chat logs.

1:32:02And because we employ law enforcement chatters, you know, in the early days we had an advocacy group do the chatting because not every law enforcement agency had the capability. But today, all the law enforcement agencies with which we work have their own chatters. And so there's no chain of custody disputes for the evidence. I can see them. I get a copy. I get a brief. I have to say, the decoys, the women are gutsy. Oh, they're phenomenal. I mean, I see a pattern in the videos where the women, they don't let the guys touch them. No. You know, they get away. They don't give an opening hug. They don't allow any, you know, physical.

1:32:45And that's, I'm sure, for their own protection because you never know. But that takes a lot of guts for these women to be alone with these guys they know are predators. Right. And in the takedown episodes, the women are always affiliated with the law enforcement. Now, it might be a youngish deputy who works in the jail, but it's structured. Each, you know, whether it's a public takedown or whether it's in a sting house, it's structured for safety. And if I see something going sideways, I mean, I step out and let law enforcement handle it, I'm going to get a great interview either way. Whether I get the guy at the kitchen counter standing there in some various state of undress or whatever he's doing, eating or drinking a beer.

1:33:28it's going to be just as good then as it is if he's got handcuffs on. So I just have to remain flexible in terms of my technique. But they're going to talk. And once in a while you get a guy who just goes silent Sam on you. And we had that happen just a couple months ago. We were in Maryland, Harford County, Maryland, great sheriff's office there. And we had a guy show up in that sting who was a lieutenant with the Metro D.C. Police Department in our nation's capital. He had been on the force for 20-plus years. He was in charge of dignitary motorcade processions, including that of the president of the United States and other visiting heads of state.

1:34:16He had been chatting. Yeah, so this kind of behavior could compromise him. Absolutely. So his chat went on for 30-plus days with somebody he thought was a 15-year-old boy. And he shows up, I mean, graphic, pictures sent from his police office, from his police car. Yeah, and imagine, and this guy is in charge of dignitary protection and motorcades. So he shows up, you know, obviously not in his police car. But because he was a law enforcement officer, because he likely could carry a gun, And the Harford County Sheriff's Office took him off in the driveway of the Stinghouse for everybody's safety.

1:34:55Now, this guy gets brought in, and he knows the game, right? And I'm guessing he knew exactly who I was. And so I go at him. He's got his sunglasses on. And I start questioning him. He goes, I'm not going to say anything without a lawyer president. I said, well, that may be, but you're going to sit here for 20 or 30 minutes and listen to my questions because you're not getting off that easy. you and that's one of the questions become just as important as he answers yeah that's exactly right the the i i don't i i'm always looking at these trying to find the common thread like what does a predator look like what's the age range how do they dress what do they have facial hair do they tend to be overweight loser you know unattractive like and there isn't one no my takeaway is there isn't one.

1:35:45And you're right, because I get asked this all the time. And yeah, we see our fair share of ranging characters who might as well have the word predator tattooed across their forehead. We see that. I mean, creepy, nasty humans. But we also see, you know, clean shaven, clean cut professional people. We had a guy who showed up. We had a couple of doctors over the years, three or four doctors over the years. I mean, medical guys. We had guys who were chatting with an underage decoy as they saw 18 patients in a day sending pictures, obscene pictures of themselves in between patients. And the guy walks in and - That's why what you're doing is so invaluable.

1:36:26It's like - I think so. You'd like to think that you know if you have a child molester in your life. You know, if he's your whatever, postal worker or your doctor or your lawyer, you don't know. You're a coach. Right. A lot of times they do go like you're, I know you had the guy who was a Santa. Yeah. You found a Santa in one of these things. So a lot of times they do go where children are, but not all the time. No. And let me tell you something about the Santa. That was in Polk County, Florida, where Grady Judd is a sheriff. The Santa shows up. And first of all, I see his picture on the screen.

1:37:02He's been chatting with who he thinks is the father of a 13-year-old girl, and he's negotiated to have sex with a girl. This guy's 68 years old. And I see the picture of him when they do the background check on the guy. And I say out loud, he goes, hey, it looks like Santa Claus. You know, joking. A detective from across the room looks over and says, that's the local Santa. He's been in my home with my children on his lap. Oh, my Lord. So we go out and get this guy. And, of course, in these interviews, I never, you know, I always know more than I let on in the beginning. And so I'm back and forth with this guy.

1:37:35And, you know, I ask him if he had met other girls online. He said he had met other people online, but not at her age. And he said, well, I have trouble at home. I said, you know, yeah, like that's a good excuse for this. So I get to the point where I'm going to get into the Santa part. And I said, you know, I can't help but wonder and notice that you look a lot like Santa Claus. And he looks dead across at me, Megan, and says, I am Santa Claus. And not only was he this main Santa Claus, he, his wife, was Mrs. Claus. They had a whole business going. And then, just two weeks ago, Santa's brother gets popped in the same county in a Walmart, exposing himself and masturbating in front of a young mother and her child.

1:38:23OMG. Yeah. Wait, we have a little bit of it. Yeah, look at Santa's right here. Yeah, play it. Yeah, that's how... Here, let's play 17. Tom, how did you end up in this situation today? Well, I was telling them there was just something that intrigued me and I just wanted to kind of see. I don't know. It was a bad mistake. What intrigued you? I was intrigued by the photos they posted. I was attracted and then just began the contact and the conversation. Many times I thought, no, this is not right. Did you see anything wrong with performing oral sex on a 13-year-old girl for money? You were going to pay the father$200?

1:39:11Is that the story? That's the story, but I don't know what was going to happen, to be honest with you. But you talked about performing oral sex on this child. And you have the dubious distinction of being the first Santa Claus we've ever busted in 22 years of investigating men trying to exploit children. So what do you say? I'm ashamed.

1:39:41And you understand how people feel about you having all these kids on your lap over these years. I do. I do understand that. You make one dumb mistake in your life and it changes everything. Oh, please. Now, you know, Sheriff Grady Judd doesn't play down there. None of the sheriffs, none of the chiefs we work with play. But the penalties there tend to be among the most severe. We had a case in Florida, Polk County as well. A guy got busted, and a lot of times they find child pornography, CSAM, on the phones and the other devices, and that enhances the charges. And we had one guy whose phone they found porn on, and they said, we'll give you a 10-year plea deal.

1:40:35You know, it's a pretty good sentence. And he said, no, I want to go to trial. he got convicted on all counts and the judge sentenced him to mandatory minimum life natural life in prison great yeah that's what they all deserve if you ask me there's no curing that no I mean but they should people you see once is enough yeah people used to ask me about the death penalty in these cases in some states including Florida have in severe cases of actual child sexual exploitation there is the death penalty and it may sound severe and you may want these guys to suffer in prison, and you know how sex offenders are treated in prison, especially those who prey on children.

1:41:14But I've come to the conclusion intellectually that the death penalty is an important tool in these cases for prosecutors, not just as a deterrent or a threat, but in the negotiations of a potential plea deal. It allows them to hang this over the defendant's head in a way to enhance the sentence that's agreed to in a plea agreement. And I think, if for no other reason, I think it's worthy. It's what we all want. You've been so prolific that they have now made a film about you. I heard something about that. And it stars Robert Pattinson, which is pretty cool. We've got some of the trailer. Let's watch it.

1:41:58It's top 23. Come on in. What would have happened if I wasn't here?

1:42:08You see how this looks, right?

1:42:15At the end of the day, the man must be held accountable for the decisions that he makes. Do you agree?

1:42:28Do you watch television?

1:42:32Well, there's something you should know. I'm Chris Hansen. Let's get this predator! With Dayline NBC. And you're about to be a part of television history.

1:42:51We're going to be the number one show on TV.

1:42:56I mean, that's pretty cool. It's coming out in theaters in September. Did you cooperate with that? You know, we had heard that they were working on it, and they did reach out. They've asked me not to say a whole lot about it. The Studio A24 has. But I'm going to see a version of it very soon, and I'm excited to see it. I think they're going to premiere it, I was told, in Venice, I believe, on the 25th, because I think Robert Pattinson is working out there. So I'm excited. I hope you get a free trip to Venice. I hope so. You could do worse than to have Robert Pattinson play you, Chris. Look, it's very flattering to have that studio, that actor, and that director all involved.

1:43:37It really is. Listen, it's the least you deserve. I just feel like we're all so grateful to you. Well, I appreciate that. If you hadn't been doing this, God knows the number of predators that would have been out there hurting children. It's, I know, sadly, teaspoons in the ocean, but God bless you for making them. Chris Hansen, thank you. Thank you, Megan. It's a pleasure to finally meet you. I appreciate it. Nice to see you. To be continued. Absolutely. Take care. Wow. Wow. I want to tell all of you that tonight on the subject of true crime, the final episode of our JonBenet Ramsey MK Confidential series will air.

1:44:11We've had such amazing feedback from all of you on the series. Thank you so much for watching it or listening to it. You can do either. It's released as both a podcast and a YouTube show. And we are doing a special eight-week series. So this was the first one, but we have another one that we're already taping for next week and the week after and so on. And I think you're really going to find the next one compelling as well. Don't forget to watch the final JonBenet tonight, or if you missed it, you can watch or listen to all five episodes over the weekend. Thank you for watching. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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