Nolan Wells Grand Jury CLEARS His Friends and Finds No Crime Happened, Plus Presley Gerber Red Flags Before His Death | Ep. 1403

25:42There's got to be something more to the story. I would just say this, though. Like, the notion of the medical examiner that was the independent medical examiner having come up with things that are supportive of the conspiracy is just absolutely false. I mean, the way that that report got framed, it's very telling that Dr. Robert Mitchell was never allowed to speak for himself. Normally, if you'd have a press conference like that, you'd get the pathologist up who actually understands the words that he wrote and allow him to speak for himself. He was never allowed to do that. But if you look at the except in front of the grand jury.

26:15Yeah. Yeah. And we see how that we believe they blacked out his name, but they said that the forensic pathologist hired by the Wells family testified for sure. And we see how that went. But even if you just read the report, like there was this, they kept talking about the missing throat structure or the missing lungs. The report said it was completely common practice for the state ME to retain the. And that's admitted That's also admitted. The grand jury heard testimony about that and said that in front of them, that forensic pathologist admitted that that is standard practice for the original ME to withhold.

26:46But if you looked at coverage of it, it was like, oh, the missing neck, the missing neck, the missing neck. It wasn't missing. It was retained for evidentiary purposes the way it would always be retained by the organization or the official agency responsible for the investigation. Right. Or, you know, they made a big deal about lungs being missing and the lungs weren't missing. they had been removed and dissected. And Robert Mitchell in his own report said they were rightfully removed and dissected by the state medical examiner. And so we created this. Yes, painted as nefarious by Ben Frum. We created this perception of something nefarious, to your point, when in fact it was all very easily explainable if somebody would just bother to read with their own independent examiner had said.

27:25And apparently that was too much to ask a lot of people. I've got to ask you about Sonny Hostin, who went out there and mouthed off about this case without knowing anything, including this. This is just one of the misdirections she fed her audience. I think what's very important is that Ben Crump has been retained by the family and is conducting an independent investigation so much so because this happened in Mississippi. There are some racial undertones to this. He was the only black kid on an island full of kids that were white. And his family is saying that he would have never, on the boat rather, and his family is saying that he would have just never stayed on the island and been left behind by his friends.

28:09It's just so confusing because they seemed, there were three boys with him that were good friends with him. Well, what are they saying? And they've been, they turned off their social media accounts. They'd say that they have cooperated with the police, but they kept his phone and didn't give it to his parents. Russ, can you tell the audience what you did in response to that? Yeah, I mean, you know, first of all, I think you may be talking about another set of clients or lawyers. We have not engaged Sonny yet. I would say just from observing that, though, she's she's just repeating falsehoods that Mr.

28:45Crump pushed right without without critical thinking, without question, without challenge. The fact is that, again, it wasn't four went out, three came back. That's false. He wasn't the only African-American. They did not keep his phone. It wasn't like they absconded with his phone. There was no tampering. And the truth of the matter is they are the ones that contacted Nolan's mom that night. His friends contacted Nolan's mom that night when he didn't rendezvous where they were supposed to all be gathering at a party. They were the ones that contacted the Coast Guard first, right? There was never any effort to hide Nolan's cell phone.

29:18In fact, they acknowledged they had a cell phone. And they, you know, a friend came and picked it up from their house. And so all of that that she said is false or dramatically lacking in context. But it all is just repetition of things that Mr. Crump had been putting out that were were false from the get go. And candidly, that I think he knew there was false. I think I confused because you threatened a different so-called influencer named Kimbra Lee, who had the nerve to call Bart a suspect, implied that he helped cause Nolan's death and concealed information or covered up for what happened to Nolan, correct?

29:54Like what happened with her? Because I know you've tried to get these people, you're trying to set the record straight, like withdraw your defamatory claims and clear up the record. And other lawyers representing other of the young boys went to Sonny and said, you've got until September 26th, which is coming up this Saturday to, to withdraw that claim and issue an apology. Like the lawyers, thank God are representing of these boys trying to clean up the record. But it's one thing to be Ben Crump and Al Sharpton out there spewing nonsense. But these other individuals are actually going to have to answer for their defamatory claims.

30:26100%. So, I mean, we've sent out five pre-litigation notices already. We anticipate two to three more going out this week. It's not just Kimberly that has received one of those. I would tell you that the way that we look at it is there are multiple layers to this. I mean, the first layer of people that are directly defaming my client and for the other set of lawyers that are defaming their clients. And those people are going to be pursued. It's not saber rattling, right? Those letters are indication of a plan to launch litigation. And we think there's going to be - Are Ben Crump and Al Sharpton on the list of people who are going to have to answer for their defamatory claims?

31:05We've not removed anybody from our board. I'll put it that way. Good. Yeah, we've not removed anybody from our board. And that's that second level of people that I think sent signals or poured gasoline on a fire or in some cases lit the match and then watched it burn instead of being honest. So like Mr. Crump, as an example of this, as of August 13th, I'd acknowledge the district attorney that they had no evidence of any criminal conduct. He didn't come out and tell anybody else that, you know, he allowed. What happens now? So what happens now? because the grand jury has spoken. There's not going to be criminal charges against these young men.

31:43They've said that Nolan Wells drowned to the best of all the witnesses' knowledge who came before them and the facts as we've been able to unearth them. They looked at the toxicology report around Nolan Wells. They did not find cocaine or other drugs in his system. They acknowledged perhaps there might've been something in his system that they couldn't tell from a body that had been in the water for some number of hours, more than 24. So we're not going to know exactly what he had consumed and how much, but that they no one could give evidence that led them to believe that there had been foul play around Nolan's death, that they thought it was an accidental drowning.

32:18So that's what the official conclusion is now. So so now what what what exactly can somebody like a Ben Crump or an Al Sharpton who won't accept this do? Yeah, I mean, it seems like their modus operandi really is a PR campaign that they they they want to make Mississippi look as bad as possible. They want to make investigators look as bad as possible. They want to allow people the leeway or the breath to continue, you know, promoting conspiracy theory in the absence of evidence. And the best way to do that is to call quite, you know, call into question the investigation itself or say that it's insufficient in terms of what they can do legally.

32:57I don't know. At one point, they had considered filing litigation against people. I think that they would have a really hard time doing that at this stage, given the nature of the investigation, their own admissions. And candidly, I think if they were to file litigation, it opens them up in a big way. And so more than likely, what you hear is a lot of saber rattling from them, followed by them trying to figure out a way to extricate themselves from this situation. And it wouldn't be the first time. I would go back to the Trey Reed situation, where the same comparisons were made, the same criticisms were made.

33:29And then when it became apparent that he was wrong and that Trey Reed had in fact killed himself, he just went quiet. He quit talking to his own clients. He didn't have the decency or the integrity to come out and say, you know, all that stuff I said before, I was wrong about. The evidence suggests that I was wrong. No, he's still pushing the lie about Michael Brown allegedly being gunned down as an innocent by a terrible cop in Ferguson, Missouri. I mean, he's an established liar, Benjamin Crump, not to mention Al Sharpton. Same. I know you've got to go. I just want to ask you very quickly because he just said, Crump did, he's making a big deal out of the fact that alternate causes of death were not explored and that drowning is a diagnosis of exclusion.

34:13That means all the causes must be ruled out prior to certifying a death as drowning. He's not, you know, he's going to try to say there wasn't proof positive of the drowning. Do you feel that there's been proof positive of the drowning or as much proof as we're ever going to get? I think there's as much proof as you're ever going to get. I think the autopsy showed that there was physical signs of drowning. I think the location of the body shows that there are physical signs of drowning. I think the absence of defensive wounds suggests that it's accidental drowning. There were no lacerations. There were no bruising on the body, nothing like that.

34:42I know people are talking about bruising on the back of his head, the musculature on the occipital bone, but that's not what the ME said. The ME said that it was red discoloration, and candidly, other pathologists have explained that that is a byproduct of lividity, right? The way the body was transported, the way the body was kept. And so there's zero evidence to suggest anything other than accidental drowning, but understanding that scientists work on situations where they have to have absolute proof or they leave things open. And so that's why you see people say things like undetermined but consistent with drowning, right?

35:15I think that you've got as much evidence as you're ever going to have that the young man drowned and that it was accidental. I understand that people still have questions. And candidly, what I would say, Megan, is people should be allowed to ask those questions. People should be allowed to have opinions on these things. What people should not be allowed to do is invent evidence out of thin air, lie about people, and put them in physical danger. And that's the part that we've got problems with. Okay, there are things that I hear people say in the political sphere that I don't agree with. and I can look at it and shake my head no, or maybe get a little upset about it.

35:47That's very different than saying Bart Edmonston, Russ's client, did this horrible thing with no evidence. And he certainly has been accused very directly of killing his friend with no evidence. He's had motive invented against him. He's had people say that he denied being there based on some BS that he never denied. He cooperated with the authorities from the get-go. He was there. He knew he was there. And so you just had this series of things unfold, including, candidly, this deal with the CETO call where you've got unqualified people who are activists trying to discern words by messing with the EQ and all of this different stuff that they did, creating written transcripts on top of it.

36:35and all of it flew in the face of 24 eyewitnesses that said Nolan Wells was never on either one of those boats when they left. It flew in the face of the witnesses that said, we heard him say that he was staying on the island. It flew in the face of the witnesses that said, we saw him after the boats had departed. And then there's photographic and video evidence that he wasn't on these boats. The evidence was always overwhelming. You started this by saying, you know, it was vindication or it was due process and all that is true. But at some level, it really, for the people who knew the facts, it really wasn't vindication because there was no result other than the result that just happened that was going to happen, right?

37:12The facts were that overwhelming. It's just in the absence of a DA being able to say all of that publicly because of her own process, there was this vacuum and people filled the vacuum with nonsense. Yes, and we've seen that. And, you know, it was a scary thing to go through, not just because of the death threats and all that, but because, you know, they were trying to convince this DA to arrest these kids to do to actually ruin their lives. This wasn't a situation where like we all kind of knew it was this one person who hurt Nolan and like these nuts who were saying, oh, no, it's like this boogeyman over here who did it.

37:50No, they were actually trying to drive an arrest of innocent young boys who are friends with Nolan. I mean, it was the highest stakes you could possibly get around disinformation, which made it especially despicable. Look, I really hope. Bart goes to the NFL. I hope he has a wonderful college career as a kicker, and I hope I get to meet him in person one of these days and hear what this has been like for him. Thank you for being such a good representative of him and fighting for his rights. Thanks for having me on, Megan. You bet, Russ. I want to say one other thing to the audience. Russ had to go.

38:26He's got a busy day, as you can imagine. But one other point before we move on from what was in the grand jury report. the grand jury also found out that, or found, I should say, that all the bullshit around that call was bullshit. They actually explicitly took a look at the ridiculous interpretations of, for example, the SeaTow call. Because before Bart got there to help the guys on the distressed boat as they were heading back to the mainland, they called this SeaTow company to try to tow their boat. And this woman named Janetta Brantley enhanced, using air quotes, the publicly released recording and claimed she heard the following.

39:11You killed him. He's already dead. Nolan, wake up. No, no, he's really dead now. And this is what the jury wrote. The grand jury received the original sea tow call made by occupants of the Triton. That's the name of the boat. On July 4th, the grand jury finds that the various sea tow calls and interpretations of the call circulating on the internet and social media are not true and accurate. The grand jury recognizes it is common for individuals visiting Horn Island to socialize on boats in the water. The grand jury finds it is not unusual or suspicious for individuals to return from the island on boats they did not travel to the island on, nor for them to place their phones and personal items on other boats they visit or socialize on.

39:52The grand jury finds Mr. Wells' phone was not the only phone to travel back to the mainland without its owner. The grand jury finds Mr. Wells attended a pool party. This is getting to that lie that he was allegedly seen on the night of July 4th back on the mainland, suggesting these young men somehow killed him after that. They find Wells attended a pool party on July 3rd and a week prior to July 3rd. The grand jury finds the pool party images widely circulating on social media and other Internet platforms were not taken the night of July 4th, 2026 and have no evidentiary value to the death investigation.

40:28The grand jury finds Mr. Wells did purchase alcohol with his fake ID. They find that no individuals over the age of 21 provided alcohol to him. They also find that he was not the only African American on Horn Island, as other people say. They said everyone fully cooperated. They find that Mr. Wells was not in any physical altercation or argument on July 4th, that the individuals who traveled on those boats cooperated fully, including offering marine GPS devices, surveillance footage, cell phones, and statements to law enforcement officers. The grand jury finds the position of, condition of, time of discovery, and location of Mr.

41:05Wells' body is consistent with drowning. The grand jury finds Mr. Wells chose to remain on Horn Island after the boat he arrived on departed, which is common for visitors to Horn Island. They conducted a comprehensive inquiry into the death of Mr. Wells, And the grand jury is confident in the extensive investigation done by both the federal and state law enforcement agencies. So there you have it. The CTO call was absolutely misrepresented by that woman, which we're not surprised about. I will say this, too, because we've covered this a bit. Hold on a second. There's standby. There's so much. God bless this grand jury because they had their work cut out for them here.

41:50Oh, there have been several other boys who have been accused in this whole matter. And we actually, we got a statement from two of the lawyers for three of the boys who have been at the center of all of this. They write, on behalf of Warren Jackson Morgan, this is for our show. We are truly thankful for MK and her honest coverage since the very beginning. I appreciate that. Then they say to you guys, our audience, we want to thank her audience for being fair and reasonable, even if some had doubts about the boys' innocence. Our boys are beyond grateful for their support. The death of their best friend, Nolan, was a tragedy.

42:30His death was a devastating event, not only for his family, our clients, but the entirety of the Mississippi Gulf Coast. As the grand jury has concluded, like many other tragedies, what happened here was beyond anyone's control. Unfortunately for Warren, Jackson, Morgan, our community and even the nation, this tragedy has turned into a travesty. They write, the grand jury has now spoken and confirmed what we already knew. This tragedy was transformed deliberately into a travesty by people who knew better. This transformation was a deliberate act that increased great pain and devastation exponentially.

43:05Tragedies are often beyond our control. Travesties are often very much under someone's control. The inferno of lies speculation, baseless accusations, finger pointing, and straight up death threats that happened about and to our boys after Nolan's tragic death could have all been avoided if the malignant operators who knew better had acted with even one shred of integrity, but they did not. And now consequences are coming. We are coming. And hell is coming with us. That is the mindset in the lawyers representing these innocent boys. Thanks to race hustlers, Ben Crump and Al Sharpton and Sonny Hostin is right there with them.

43:55And that's just the start. I hope they all get sued. I hope some jury holds them accountable for doing this to these boys who had nothing to do with this at a time when they had not solved the case. That's what's so crazy. No one was under arrest. They clearly wanted these boys to be criminally harassed. It is absolutely the most cynical, disgusting behavior. And I'll tell you something else that's really sad about it. And I'm sorry, but I don't exonerate Nolan Willis' parents. They were grieving legitimately. I get that. But you get in a bed with these guys, Al Sharpton and Ben Crump. You know what you're getting.

44:39And they've been standing behind these two race hustlers at all these press conferences, notwithstanding where the evidence has gone. So let's see what they do now. Debbie, are they with them now? She's watching the press conference. Yeah, the parents are still behind them at the presser that they're holding right now. Still. And here's what's really, really tragic about it. OK, a diversion, but a related diversion. You guys might remember that in the fall of 2022, we did a tribute on this show to a young man named Blake Barkledge who died in October of 2021 of myocarditis. He had had COVID, but he'd also had the vaccine, two shots.

45:26And at age 17, he died of, again, a heart infection called myocarditis. and his parents, we didn't know them very well when Blake died. We knew them a bit, but we got to be very good friends, and now they are amongst our best friends on earth, Tom and Allison Barklage. Well, the way they handled Blake's death, I was floored by it. They were an example to us all in how to deal with grief. They were incredibly devastated, along with their daughter, Alexis, who was Blake's younger sister. But they talked about it. They found opportunities to smile, even in those early days where they could. And they leaned into Blake's friend group, eight young men, all 17 years old, all seniors in high school, at the prime of their youth, about to head off to college and find out where they were getting in and so on, who did everything together.

46:30And with Blake added in, they called themselves the Divine Nine. And Tom and Allison called them the Divine Nine. Well, we did a tribute to Blake Barklage, who, you know, now we're coming up on the fifth year mark since we lost him. His friends are now graduating from college, having just graduated. It's just, it's a tough time, as anybody who suffered loss knows. But what Tom and Allison have said to me all along these five years is that the Divine Nine has gotten them through it, that those eight friends of Blake's are more responsible than anyone for helping the mother and father deal with their grief.

47:16And they pointed out to me that that's what these young men in Mississippi would probably love to do for Nolan's parents, if only they would let them. Here's a bit from our piece that we ran about Blake and the Divine Nine. This picture was taken of the guys last October. Within a month, eight of them would be pallbearers at Blake's funeral. They remain a constant presence in the Barklage's lives. I kept spending time with them. Like, guys, this is where we need to lean on each other. Like, I need you as much as you need me because I want to hear about the stories. I want to hear about the funny stories.

47:56Maybe not in front of Allison, but you can tell me those stories. I want to hear about Blake when I didn't see what he hid for me. After what happened, we're literally like family now. Yeah, especially with Alexis. Like she said to us early on that she gained eight new brothers. Even I remember one day putting up Christmas ornaments, the lights outside. Blake and I would always do that. I started putting the lights up, broke down in tears, walked away, couldn't do it. Next day, seven, eight of the boys are over at the house helping me put the lights on. They're such good kids. Why? Why wouldn't Nolan Wells' parents lean into their relationship with all the boys who love Nolan?

48:39Who are grieving themselves? They could be such a source of support, an ongoing connection to their deceased child. Instead, they fell into the clutches of disgusting, dishonest race hustlers, Sharpton and Crump. And at this point, the parents should know better. And at this point, they have been so misled by these two that they should know better. My prayer is that they will see the light, that they will begin reaching out to these young men. And I believe those young men actually would be open-minded and open-hearted to Nolan's parents because they love Nolan. And they could help each other get through what is obviously a tragic, accidental death that they're all going to have to deal with.

49:36And, you know, I mean, Blake's friends were changed forever as a result of his sudden death. And I think it's given them all a perspective on how short life is, how to make the most of your time here on Earth, how they would choose to behave in college, the lives and the careers that they would choose for themselves. themselves, you know, they're all the ones that I know are men are true of true substance, trying to make something of themselves. And there's not a day that goes by that they don't think about Blake. And they're still connected to Tom and Allison. I still hear from Allison all the time about how this one's connected with her.

50:14This one sent all the graduation pictures. And Tom and Allison celebrated their graduation from college the same as they would have celebrated Blake's. They have birthdays, you know, still birthday. They acknowledge Blake's birthday and so on. And all the guys call like this. My point is simply, this could be an ongoing source of support. Ben Crump, Al Sharpton need to be removed from the presence of the grieving parents so that they can see clearly again and ultimately come to terms with the loss of their son. And hopefully in doing so, lean on the others who loved their boy as well. Okay. Up next, we've got stunning update in the death of Presley Gerber and the facility that he was in when he suffered his overdose that killed him.

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54:03update for you now on the death of presley gerber the 27 year old son of cindy crawford and businessman randy gerber his little sister is kaya gerber also now a model and actress in her own right um we are learning more about what happened yesterday we talked a bit about the fact that he OD'd at a rehab facility. And I made the point that I had a loved one in a rehab facility and that you could not get anywhere close to said rehab facility with anything resembling alcohol or a controlled substance or anything that could be used potentially for a so-called high. and it turns out Presley Gerber was not at such a facility at all.

54:52And I don't mind telling you, my loved one was at the Karen Rehab Facility, C-A-R-O-N, here in the Northeast. And they were wonderful. They were wonderful. Absolutely loved them and really recommend the program there. but you there there would I just I can't imagine how you would go about ODing in this facility well he was at a very different facility and I saw TMZ issue this report later in the day and I was like well that's definitely not consistent with my own experience with Karen but this is what they said, and I think they're basing it on what we see out in L.A. and Malibu when it comes to so-called rehab.

55:41Watch. You know, the thing that has been shocking to a lot of people in hearing this is that he was actually at a rehab center. And I think people have the wrong idea that when you're at a rehab center, that means there are no drugs around. It's not that it's never that clear cut. And it is possible for people to have substances at these rehab centers. And, you know, Presley was in a unique situation. I think everyone thinks of rehab that you're in one building, everyone's together, and there are staff that are always watching you. And that's just not the way it works, especially at sort of luxury rehab centers.

56:21And the place where he was has been described as that. Totally. And it was like an all-men. And so he was with all these guys. And when you look at photos of the house that we've seen, it doesn't look like a rehab facility. It looks like a house that you would go and maybe party in. Or, I mean, it's got a ping pong table and all this stuff that you'd look like to have a good time at. It's got a lot of recreational things. And really, you know, rehab centers, especially in the L.A. area, kind of market themselves this way. They want you to come to get the treatment, but they want it to feel like a great— You're not locked down either.

56:58Right. Well, there's a reason why the serious rehab facilities are more locked down. You're not a prisoner. You can leave, but no one's going to be getting drugs into you at the serious rehabs. Here is also from TMZ what they report about the rehab. in Santa Monica, a quote, structured recovery residence rather than a traditional hospital or detox center. According to the company's website, the program is designed for people transitioning out of more intensive treatment and trying to rebuild their lives in a supervised sober environment. Residents can participate in shared meals, social activities, and outings, all with the goal of developing healthy relationships and accountability while living in a sober setting tucked away on a quiet street in Santa Monica.

57:48The residence comes with some plush amenities, 24-7 on-site staff, chef-approved, chef-prepared meals, a stocked pantry, a gym, a movie theater, and outdoor and common areas. They also report, this is actually via the New York Post, what happened when Presley died. He went into cardiac arrest. There is a 911 call, but it's a very poor quality. The Post has listened to it, as have my producers. An automated voice says cardiac arrest and overdose on the call. A source on the scene told Page Six of the New York Post that cops, ambulance, and firefighters all responded to the incident, were told authorities were on scene for three hours.

58:36excuse me, three hours. A source exclusively told Page Six that Gerber had checked himself into a Santa Monica rehab this past weekend because he knew he needed help. Quote, he had not been doing well, said the insider. He's always suffered from a huge lack of self-esteem and had trouble accepting his real self and feeling fully confident in who he was as a person. They go on to say that he felt like he was lacking purpose in life. He hadn't really found his place. Despite struggling with a lot of things, he wanted so badly to be free of his addiction. And you can't help but think, okay, obviously somebody in his condition needed a much more secure facility.

59:23But secondly, that line about he suffered from a huge lack of self-esteem. Are you thinking what I'm thinking? Like, oh, maybe a career in, let's say, modeling where they only judge you based on your exterior looks. And even if you look like Cindy Crawford, which he did, you will get rejected time and time again. you will get told over and over and over that you are less than, that you can't sell, that you're not what they're looking for. Does anyone think that's a good career for someone lacking in self-esteem? Modeling? No wonder this did not help him in any way. We talked yesterday about the fact that he said he loved being in the water.

1:00:11He loved surfing and he loved water polo and he He was in the water for up to 10 hours a day. Kaya Gerber and that Vogue profile from August talked about how he would go directly from the surf into their high school, Malibu High. Like he was addicted to the water. And then it all went away when he began modeling. All he could do was work, work, work, and more work. And the timeline is just absolutely brutal. Okay, so in 2014, by the time he was 15 years old, he signed with IMG Models, one of the biggest modeling companies in the world. By the next year, when he was 16, he was all over runways, including for Moschino, Dolce & Gabbana, eventually Calvin Klein, Burberry, modeling.

1:01:02The New York Post had a great piece on this today on page six, and they were right, that it looked charmed, looked like a charmed existence unless you actually have a child and then you realize he's only 15 and 16 and he's walking runways in Europe for these major brands. And this is not a nurturing, kind, supportive environment for anyone of any age, nevermind a boy of the tender age of 15 when they have all sorts of coming of age problems that you need to be there for, that parents need to be there to help solve. Um, 2018, when he was 19, he appeared in an ad with his very famous mother. It was for Pepsi and it was a throwback to one of the ads that made her famous in the 1990s.

1:01:54Here it is. This is the Pepsi for this model and his mom. Hi, Cindy. Show them how it's done. Okay, so mom and son are now together and it's a laugh, but the truth is that Presley Gerber did not much appear to like being a model because, how do I know this? Well, he became an alcoholic and a drug addict after having been enjoying his life on the surf as a 14-year-old boy. By 18 years old, according to his own admission, he went in his first rehab stint. So that was 18. He'd gone from being a healthy boy at age 14, enjoying the surf of Malibu, to within four years in rehab. What changed? I have a guess.

1:02:54I think it was being thrust into a toxic industry and being sent all over the world before he was ready for it and being schooled on the, what to say, what not to say, and being judged nonstop based on his appearance, which is no better for a young boy than it is for a young girl, and being told essentially by this agency with which he connected, get to work. Being judged based on how many bookings he would get. I'm sure his parents were thrilled. Cindy, having been at the top of the heap, probably thought this would be wonderful for him too, except Presley was his own kid. And what is good for the mother or even possibly the daughter is not necessarily good for the son.

1:03:30All of them are individuals. Sure, she knows this. And I have another clue that Presley wasn't really enjoying his newfound life. It's the face tattoo that he got in 2019. February of 2019, he appeared with the word misunderstood under his right eye socket on his cheekbone. Misunderstood of all words to have tattooed on your face. I mean, do you think he might have been trying to send a message? Me too. And that's actually written up in this post piece as well, saying that he commented on it. Quote, you don't know how I feel. You're not in my head. I don't feel very understood, I guess, he said in an Instagram live video addressing the backlash to that tattoo.

1:04:23It says misunderstood because that's how I've felt my entire life. That's how I felt my entire life. One family source described his increasingly erratic public behavior at the time as a possible cry for attention or help. You think? Yeah, me too. All I can tell you is that if my, okay, 2019, he was born July of 1999. So he would have been, I hate doing the math, 19 plus one. He would have been 19 or 20, depending on the month of the year. 19 or 20. My kid who's already been in rehab by his own admission the year before then gets that face tattoo. Um, oh, and I forgot in December of 2019, he got a DUI.

1:05:16So there's problems with the police and breaking the law with a DUI. There's already a stint in rehab. There's a face tattoo. And I don't know when this other thing I'm going to tell you about happened, but it's the most alarming of all. But if any one of those events happened, never mind the series of them, I think that I'd be grabbing my child and I think he and I would be going and living probably in Montana, maybe Wyoming, a state with big sky and horses and water and fly fishing and mountain biking and skiing. And we would be leaning into, and in his case, I guess we'd need to be near an ocean so he could surf, maybe a Costa Rica thing.

1:06:00But I think we'd be leaning hard into connection with family, loved ones, and the great outdoors and God. I think that's where we'd be. I don't think, well, I can guarantee you, you would not be seeing me anchoring the Megyn Kelly show. Work would come lower on the list of priorities if it were even still on there at all. and this family had a billion dollars plus plus that's his fortune never mind what Cindy Crawford has in the bank from all of her multiple years I mean she's still out there pushing products and she has her own makeup line I think or products like they didn't need money so that's what I think I would do if these things had happened with my child I realize he was over 18 by this point But let's face it, especially a newly minted young adult, you know, in a loving family, he appeared to love his parents, might be persuaded to go spend some quality time with him somewhere.

1:06:59And you could at least try, if not to convert him out of the problems that were caused while he was supposed to be under your roof, but instead was in Europe and on runways across the world. maybe you could take a shot at at least serving as a soothing balm, at being a soft place to fall for him during a tumultuous time. And by the way, there would also be a 24-7 sobriety coach. Now that guy on the TMZ hip, the little sidekick guy who was sitting at the desk piping in, said he had heard, it was unconfirmed, but that he had heard that Presley Gerber did for a time have one of those, a sobriety coach.

1:07:39And that was offered to my loved one too, when they left Karen, that you can get a 24-7 sober coach. And what would be the reason not to do this for somebody who is this addicted to this many substances? You know, yes, alcohol. It sounds like in Presley Gerber's case, it was all prescription meds and alcohol. You know, he wasn't snorting heroin. We went through the list yesterday and it was very troubling. tons for anti-anxiety medications and night terrors that he had and depression. And he said he wasn't currently on an SSRI, but an opioid, he said he had a massive addiction to opioids, massive, that he couldn't control.

1:08:20So he's on Suboxone, which helps wean you off of such a thing. But here it is. Watch. I'm on one milligram of buprenorphine, which is what's in Suboxone. Suboxone has naloxone in it, which is what Narcan is, but that does, I don't know, there's something weird about that where we can get into that another time. Long story short, I'm on one milligram of buprenorphine twice a day, morning and night, sometimes a little more if I need it. The benzos have been fluctuating up and down depending on what's been going on in my life. so it's that which is a partial agonist opiate then buprenorphine then the benzos xanax a little bit at night or when the panic attacks are really really bad i try to take as little of that as possible um the valium i take a little bit in the morning or not i don't know if it's little or a lot who knows anymore.

1:09:26He talked in another post about his use of Adderall. And honestly, a friend of mine who knows a lot about ADHD looked at those drugs and said, to me, it sounds like he may have started on something like Adderall, meant to control some of those symptoms and then spiraled. And that can happen if you're not really careful with those drugs. It's not to say, you know, Adderall hasn't helped anybody, et cetera, but you have to be really careful with those drugs. And it sounds like he wasn't. One thing led to another thing, led to another thing. And what my friend also said was things can go wrong with ADHD medication.

1:10:13So if you're going to go that route and something happens to your kid, like suddenly now he's depressed or can't sleep or has a night terror, it may mean you've chosen the wrong med for him. If he should be on meds at all, obviously we've talked about that many times, but I'm saying, okay, let's determine this is a kid who actually does, we think need to be medicated. It may be you've chosen the wrong dose. Maybe you've chosen the wrong drug, but the answer is very rarely to double and triple down on new meds. Let's solve this issue with another med. And we heard Leonard Sachs say the same thing, you know, that like your kid's suffering a side effect from a medication he may or may not need.

1:10:54The answer is not to give him a second drug to then deal with that side effect. And it does sound like that's possibly how his drug cycle got started. But I just can't get over the, you know, huge lack of self-esteem. Let's throw him into modeling. You know, I've joked before, like my daughter Yardley, she's very tall. She's five and a half, five, nine and a half, almost five, 10. And lovely, if I say so myself. And people will say, oh, she should model. She should model. I've joked with you guys. Or I can just like roll up her sleeve and give her heroin right now. You know, like why, why skip the, why shouldn't I just skip the step of modeling before I get her addicted to something terrible and ruin her self-esteem?

1:11:37Like, I would never, never support a child of mine going into modeling, ever. It's known worldwide for its toxicity. And all I can think is either Cindy Crawford had a different experience because she was atop the industry almost from the second she started. Maybe it wasn't as bad in the 1990s, though that seems unlikely. or maybe she thought, you know, with his last name and her beauty mark, it could be different for him. You know, maybe she thought it would help the self-esteem in some way. He was named model of the year, possibly. I mean, I'm sure she's second guessing all of this right now as the family is suffering.

1:12:26He then, as a lot of addicts do, got, oh, so I forgot the apex of the problems before I get to his newfound focus on mental health. He revealed, and I don't know where it was, but I'm sure it was in there like sometime between 18 and 24, that he had suffered a severe fentanyl overdose that left him in a coma, a fentanyl overdose that left him in a coma. I mean, this is a lot for a family to have to deal with. He was born in Brentwood. Then they moved to Malibu. His parents put him in public school. It was in Malibu. But by all accounts, he did well. He was reportedly on the honor roll at Malibu High School and loving his time in the water until he had to become a professional at age 14.

1:13:25um after all of this as we played yesterday he got very into mental health messaging and so on he did speak to in a post um this was from july of 2025 what what happened like why did his quality of life, which was, well, from the outside ideal, deteriorate so precipitously. And listen to what he said here in, again, July of 25, SOT 17D. The less activity that was in my life, especially for me, the ocean, like the more medication I found having to be integrated into my life. And the more. I just, the quality of life rapidly decreased with a decrease in natural endorphins and dopamine and that kind of stuff.

1:14:21It makes perfect sense. And haven't we been talking about that? It's like, I feel like advice that comes on conservative or right-leaning broadcasts gets completely dismissed by the so-called mainstream. But he's saying something that will not be of any surprise at all to any single person listening to this discussion right now. We all know that. Getting outside, getting sunlight, yes, walking in the sand, swimming in the ocean, reconnecting with nature, and staying busy in this way, right? Like quality of life, that's what he's talking about. That is extremely helpful to mental health, Very helpful to mental health.

1:15:08And he was doing all of that in an age-appropriate way. His busyness of, like, high school and the water and all that got turned into social media classes and, you know, how best to make your eyebrows look and how do you walk for Calvin versus Dolce & Gabbana. You know, it's like not problems. And that's to say nothing, nothing of what was likely happening in the nightclubs in Europe and in New York and in Hollywood. And he's he talked about how, with all due respect to his family of origin, how the holidays stressed him out. He talked about how he really loved some people in his life, but he just did not want to be around them around them, that they were not good for him when he made that black and white video from the sauna in November of 2025.

1:15:56You know, there were clearly some issues there. And I know that Randy Gerber and Cindy Crawford are two of the most successful people on earth. I mean, this was an area that really needed their many gifts focused solely on it, the problems around their son. You know, all the other campaigns, the new business launches, the trips with George Clooney, Randy Gerber's best friend and business partner, could wait. Fentanyl overdose into a coma, DWI, multiple stints in rehab, face tattoo that reads misunderstood. Talk about red flags everywhere, everywhere. And I'm just going to say, and like Kaya Gerber in that same Vogue interview talked about how she too is into a bunch of therapeutics and was a big proponent of the use of psychedelics.

1:16:55I'm just going to say this girl too seems like she may be struggling. And she speaks, if she writes, whatever, she told the interviewer about how she felt enormous pressure to be the good girl because Presley was so troubled. That doesn't mean she is feeling 100 % well. It means she's learned to mask it so that she doesn't add to the family's problems. But I think there should be an immediate serious probe into how their remaining child is doing. Because she's still now in double toxic industries, modeling and Hollywood acting. Again, this looks glamorous from the outside, you guys, but on the inside, if you've known any models or been next to that industry, it's usually a life of bulimia and or anorexia.

1:17:46That's the number one thing about that industry. You have to fucking starve yourself to death. And by the way, a GLP-1 drug can only do so much. I'm sure it makes it easier, but you still have to starve yourself to death. I mean, there's a lot of speculation in the press right now around Kaya Gerber allegedly having gotten butt implants. She is so skinny that she reportedly, allegedly reportedly, has decided that she needed implants in her butt in order to have any sort of female curves whatsoever. whatsoever. It's just, I realize this is all the rage thanks to Kim Kardashian, but I mean, for a woman like Kaia Gerber to be looking in the mirror thinking, I need any surgery whatsoever is insane.

1:18:39It's just a very troubled family. And I think it's a good reminder for people out there that you can have a billion dollars. You can have a supermodel mom, a captain of industry dad. You can be BFFs with the George Clooney family. You can have a sister who's now rocketing to the top as a model and actress. You can win model of the year. You can be walking runways for the biggest and best known brands in America. You can have the face of an angel with amazing cheekbones and your mother's beauty mark and the whole bit. And you You can still be so depressed and low self-esteem and riddled with unhappiness that you can want to die.

1:19:24And what you need in those moments is a loving family willing to support you, not the model, not the earner, not the brand, you. I know the family tried. I think it was too late. By the time they were posting online, celebrating his trip to Mexico to get Ibogaine therapy, you're a warrior, so proud of you, it's too late. And the therapy didn't work on him. He had been very focused on mental health by the time he went there. This is Presley Gerber in February of 2023. And he was talking about his depression back then. I mean, this would be a steady downward spiral from 18 to the day he died on Sunday.

1:20:23Watch 17B. Obviously, mental health is a huge thing right now in the world. it's at an all-time high low i don't really know what to and you could either you could say that either way yeah it kind of goes both ways sadly um so for me and having struggled with you know mental health depression and some other things that come along with that uh i think that you know whether i help one person or a hundred people get out of that place that i was in at one point in my life that's all i need to do and that's what i want to do is you know create whether it's a platform, whether I use one of my current platforms, if I, you know, come up with a company I've thought of, you know, um, like literal clothing brands, just revolving just around mental health because there's, it's, it's an issue.

1:21:13And for me, because it is so much, such a big part of my life, it's, you know, it's, it's a 24 seven job and there's just, there's so much to it that, uh, that I think that, you know, that's really what I want to, uh, to do is help people. I've just seen a lot of, I've seen a lot of stuff and I've learned a lot of things. And what I hope I can do is have made the mistakes for some other people so they don't have to make the same mistakes that I made. That's so sweet. That poor kid. look again i'm sure randy gerber and cindy crawford were very loving parents i'm sure they genuinely were she's she seems lovely i don't know much about him at all but in the spirit of what their son said there too let's talk about the mistakes so that we can spare someone else i mean when they feel more recovered the best thing they could do would be to come out and be really honest about that.

1:22:16To save other parents this grief, they couldn't save Presley, but they can save another kid. They can. Those two in particular, if they got really honest about how things went south, could actually save lives. I really hope they do it. They're welcome to come here and do it. But anywhere, once they are capable. I mean, any parent out there dealing with such a tragedy would know you couldn't function. There's not going to be any real functioning for quite some time. And as I said yesterday, our prayers are with all of them. We're going to take a quick break and then we're going to come back and we're going to talk about the latest in the Lindsay Clancy case because Kevin Reddington has dropped a bomb of emotion.

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1:27:28The quote-unquote holdout juror has come out and issued statements and talked a little bit about his, you know, experience in the jury room and why he voted the way he did. Have you seen any of that? What sort of your reaction? I don't have a reaction to that. We take care of that in the courtroom. How has it been for her and for you and for the team, so to speak, since the trial and moving into this next phase? We're anticipating the 29th. I'm hoping that Judge Sullivan allows the termination of the case. I mean, it's just a case that needs to be done. It needs to be done. Have you heard from the DA at all?

1:28:10You and Tim Cruz are very tight, I'm sure. We're good friends. Tim and I go way back. I knew him when he was a defense attorney. I know him, obviously, as a prosecutor, and I'm sure I'll hear from Tim. Okay, so he's hoping Judge Sullivan will terminate this case. He has now filed two motions. The first asked the judge to make public the jury deliberations notes and transcripts of the sidebar discussion during the deliberations. That seems fine. The second is a 34-page motion to dismiss based on double jeopardy grounds. You know, under our Constitution, once you've been acquitted of a crime, you cannot be retried for the same crime.

1:28:47And he is treating the hung jury as the mistrial as an acquittal and saying she can't be tried again. How does he do that? He says, well, the mistrial was improperly declared and that there was no manifest necessity for the declaration of a mistrial. because what should have happened is the judge should have pulled that holdout juror into chambers or asked him from the bench questions that got to the revelation that the juror wasn't applying the law to his doubt, to his alleged doubt that the juror foreperson, the jury foreperson alleged that he had. and that had the judge uncovered through questioning of this holdout juror the fact that he wasn't abiding by his promise made under oath.

1:29:34Remember, he was accused of being a felon by Reddington for lying under oath, allegedly, when he said he could follow the law. So once the judge had, in this fantasy world, unearthed the juror's commitment not to follow the law, he would have been bounced off the jury. And in Kevin Reddington's world, he would have just gotten an acquittal. We would have gone with 11 jurors. Well, that's not what would have happened. Really, what would have happened unless the prosecution agreed to an 11 person verdict, which they absolutely would not have because they understood what he understood, which was the 11 jurors were going against them.

1:30:07You had to start all over. You would have had to elevate another jury, another juror to the jury, and they would have had to start at square one. This court cannot go through this imaginatory gymnastic exercise by like, okay, we should have taken, I'm talking about the appellate court. We should have taken, he should have taken the jury, the juror into chambers and asked him questions that would have allegedly shown that the juror was not applying the law to whatever doubt he allegedly had that the foreperson said he had. But by the way, he's now issued a statement in writing after the fact saying he had no doubt.

1:30:40Actually, there wasn't any doubt. But we're supposed to disregard that. We're supposed to just take the word of the foreperson and say he was lying. And this would have been unearthed by the trial judge who would have been cross-examining him. Then he would have bounced him off the jury. And then we would have elevated an alternate. And that alternate absolutely would have felt as the other 11 did, as opposed to how the holdout did. Like, what the fuck are we talking? This is ridiculous. There's not going to be a denial of a new trial based on double jeopardy grounds, Kevin, not unless the Massachusetts courts are as crazy as you are.

1:31:21This is not going to happen. This is, you know, a pipe dream. But in the meantime, he is doing his level best to harass that holdout juror to the point where we're now really in what could be a potential constitutional crisis. And the lawyer for the juror, the lawyer's name is Edro Andrew, Andrew Paltzik. And we're just going to say that you hold our juror's name now because he's come out publicly with it. So there's no reason not to. His name is Michael Desronville, D-E-S-R-O-N-V-I-L. And this lawyer has issued a barn burner of an ex post at 1.15 this morning. I'm not going to read you the whole thing, but here's some highlights.

1:32:01He says the Looney Tunes motion filed by Reddington to investigate Michael is not. This is the one that we told you about yesterday that wants Michael's cell phone records. It wants surveillance video of Michael when he was standing with the jury in the corridors outside of the deliberation room. It wants all of Michael's dealings with the DA's office back when he was, you know, just a mere civilian. Oh, wait, that's what a juror is, too. in the six years prior because he allegedly had a domestic violence incident with the wife, soon to be ex, six years early. He wants everything. Again, like I said yesterday, a legal colonoscopy.

1:32:37And he says this motion is a full frontal attack on the U.S. Constitution because if the new normal is that jurors are gonna face brutal reprisals for disagreeing with a defense attorney, you can kiss the Sixth Amendment goodbye. That's what gives you the right to a fair and impartial jury. And you're not, good luck getting one. If this is what we do to jurors, if they don't go along with the majority. Lots of in here. And then he says, pretty soon we're going to end up with a retrograde justice system that will look a lot like the Hatfield-McCoy feud, a cycle of carnage so malignant that its origins will fade in importance, replaced by the hopeless death spiral of the cycle itself.

1:33:13Right on. Kevin Reddington's disgusting motion to investigate Michael is worthy of nothing but universal condemnation. It is all going to backfire spectacularly on sore loser Reddington. Jonathan Turley of Fox News and also JonathanTurley.org, a great website. He teaches at George Washington Law, has a new column blasting Reddington for this. He appears to be moving, Turley writes, from zealous advocacy to virtual stalking in this case. He's seeking phone records, surveillance, and criminal records of Michael Desronville. This demand follows his unprofessional attack on the juror on the courthouse steps after the trial, not to mention, Charlie must have missed it, inside the courtroom where he called him basically a felon by saying he had lied to the judge under oath when he said he could follow the law.

1:34:02In his filing, Reddington seeks to question Desronville after reviewing his records to see whether he lied on his juror questionnaire, violated court rules by using a cell phone in the jury room, and failed to pay attention during deliberations. This demand is highly unusual. He goes on to say this man has had to go into hiding with his wife. Reddington is seeking the assistance of the court to continue to pummel and punish a juror who had the temerity to reject his arguments in court. This is a slippery slope. He says, will Judge William Sullivan allow both sides to look at all the phone records of all the jurors as well as delve into their backgrounds?

1:34:39If the court were to open up these deliberations, it could result in a cascading disaster. Some jurors suggested they viewed the case as a vehicle for sending a message as part of a movement supporting mothers like Clancy. That is also a concerning element in the jury deliberation that could lead to demands for questioning from the prosecution. It truly goes on. The combination of Reddington's attacks in front of the courthouse and these new measures would send a chilling message to jurors in the next trial. It asks the court to join the mobbing of his holdout juror. And it sends a disturbing message to future jurors in high-profile cases that anonymity means nothing when you stand against the will of the majority.

1:35:24This has gotten so out of hand that even Joy Reid is on the same side as yours truly and all minds of reason when it comes to the harassment of this holdout juror who happens to be black. Listen to her. There was a white man who also said the same thing, accused the man of refusing to engage and refusing to deliberate, which actually is a bit defamatory, isn't it? They were trying to say he was just not doing his job. That's why he has a defamation lawyer. He's like, keep my name out your mouth because this is getting pretty you know outrageous and what is unwilling to engage me but if you've been attacked and you've already stated your opinion we can all imagine how that's looking in that room i've told you how i thought you don't want to hear it so no i don't have anything else to say i've said it i mean we can all just kind of role play that right there was there was a moment where the there was the one white male juror who came out and he said at one point the juror took I think a bottle or something and took a ligature and and sort of demonstrated the way the strangulation happened and he said the room were all horrified and I'm like more horrified than the woman strangling her kids you know right on joy read she's right we've been saying that too she sees it obviously she's like feeling defensive of this guy because everything for her is about skin color, but her point is right.

1:36:55Substantively, it is correct. And Kevin Reddington is behaving in a despicable manner, and he ought to be ashamed of himself. More on that case as it comes in. Yesterday, we talked to you about Nicole Hannah-Jones, the writer of the 1619 Project that said America was founded on all about slavery. Its founding was all about slavery. That was our original sin, and it can never be erased, and yada yada. You know, the narrative. While she still writes for the New York Times, she did the most disgusting, dishonest piece about Charlie Kirk I've read since his death. And that's saying a lot. Let me tell you this.

1:37:34Nicole Hannah-Jones was 100 percent, in my opinion, applauding the people who were doing the fake neck shots because she loathed Charlie Kirk with that much of a passion. And what we learned from her own writing over the weekend was that she enrolled her daughter, who's black, she's black and she's married to a black man, in a terrible, awful New York City public school that she knew was terrible and awful. And she did it because she thought that somehow she would be an evil person if she, because she has some money and works for the New York Times, chose a better school for her child. That like somehow this would be abandoning the black kids who are in that terrible school by not choosing to add her child to the list of black students who are being underserved.

1:38:23Okay, that didn't work out. Now, she reveals that the daughter was at a school that was riddled with fighting, lazy teachers who wouldn't watch the children, who wouldn't grade the papers, who wouldn't even look at an individual child's work and testing and results before having a parent-teacher conference with Nicole Hannah-Jones and her husband. I mean, the level of dereliction was just sky high, and she still didn't pull the kid, still did not pull her. By the time we got to middle school, she moved to another school that was equally as bad. So even then, she didn't improve the child's lot in life at all.

1:39:00And finally, the kid managed to convince her to let the child pick the school for high school. And heavens to Betsy, she chose one that was predominantly white and a better school. And Nicole Hannah-Jones felt the need to come out and tell everybody that that had happened because she'd been making herself a mini-celebrity off of her principal decision not to send her child to a white school all these years. And my own belief is it was time to apply to college and she realized she needed to do something to justify her child's struggles and bad grades and presumably not great SAT. And now this can be part of her essay about what her mother did to her.

1:39:36And I'm sure the word was getting out that Nicole Hannah-Jones' child was at a mostly white school, notwithstanding the fact she'd been feted as a civil rights leader for not sending her to one. Well, now enter the husband. The husband comes out and gives an interview on this decision by the family and actually says she belongs, Nicole Hannah-Jones, next to MLK as a civil rights icon for this decision. He compared her to MLK. He says, when history looks back on this, she's going to be one of our civil rights leaders. He says,

1:40:44grade. According to your wife, how is this, yeah, spike the ball moment? My God. There are wins and losses. So when you look at the perspective of that, there were no mistakes made. It's necessary work. It's never at the present, the most populous time, he said of great leaders being recognized. No one said, you know, Muhammad Ali, he's a great man now. But back then he was an enemy of the state. Martin Luther King is a great man now, But he was an enemy of the state. But he said the blame is not on him and Nicole for their daughter's struggles, saying irresponsibility is not on the parents. It is on the institutions that never integrated their schools to begin with.

1:41:26Okay. He says, Nicole covered schools for two decades, meaning for the Times. We knew exactly what we were getting into when we did this. We knew exactly. You did? That's not what she said. She wrote about how stunned she was when she went to the school, went into the lunchroom. No lunch was being served. Kids were beating each other up. She had to separate boys who were pounding on each other repeatedly. And that she was shocked. She didn't expect any of that. She absolutely did not expect the teacher never to get back to her when she wrote asking about her child's progress. She didn't expect to be told that your daughter couldn't read or do math at grade level without the teacher having looked at any of your daughter's work.

1:42:08What do you mean? She didn't expect any of that, you bullshit liar. He says, by the way, he works in IT for the ACLU. He also said his wife did not regret the decision. Despite Nicole Hannah-Jones admitting in her piece, quote, I feel that I failed both my values and my child. Cut back to her husband, Faraji. We don't regret the choice. I think as she gets older, think, meaning their daughter, will appreciate it. We knew that my daughter would be fine because she has parents who know how to advocate and intervene on her behalf. No, no. Your wife's whole point is that even though she was Nicole Hannah-Jones writing for the Times and making this her issue du jour, she was called the Beyonce of school reform for doing this.

1:42:53She couldn't make change. That's why she didn't want to leave. She felt she had failed. What do you mean? No. We knew she'd be fine because her parents know how to advocate and intervene on her behalf? No, that failed, sir. And now it turns out, by the way, that he's like on the school board that like reviews New York City schools and he couldn't do it. But meantime, he wants you to know his wife is, quote, a badass. What can I say? One of the greatest writers of our time. This poor child. Good luck. But still, it's all about them. It's all about them. He wanted her to be a civil rights icon. So they kept their child in this class and let her suffer.

1:43:32Not to be outdone, Sunny Hostin weighs in and wants you to know that her Harvard-educated son, the one she's helping, and his sister, they went to a white school and that they were subjected to racism. Watch. This is a decision broadly that all parents make when it comes to educating their kids. But black parents make a very, this is a very difficult decision for black parents in particular because I made a very different decision. I sent my children to private schools, a predominantly white private school. And so while they didn't suffer academically, they excelled. It was a well-funded school, a private school, well-resourced school.

1:44:14They suffered a different type of pain. There was psychological trauma. There was racism that they experienced. They were bullied. There was trauma around their identity. My daughter wears a big afro. Kids were trying to stick pencils in her hair. Boys were calling her butterface, meaning she looked good but her face. And she's a beautiful girl. So my kids struggled in a predominantly white environment. That's not racism. That's kids being assholes. It happens to white people too. Newsflash! All kids go through minor, we can call it bullying, You can just call it kids being assholes. It happens.

1:44:57They're kids. So they put something in her hair. Trust me, I had an entire seventh grade year where they threw spitballs in my hair. And I don't have an afro. Fucking Sunny. Like, you're ridiculous. Her kids wound up at Harvard and Cornell. They did just fine. And by the way, in the city, they went to ethical culture, which is the most woke race-based school in the country. You couldn't find a more woke leftist school. I call complete bullshit that her black kids were subjected to racism there. Bullshit. And even the first example she gives is not a racist example. These people need to grow up and think more about bringing us together than dividing us.

1:45:39Hopefully, Nicole Hannah-Jones took a step in the right direction. See you tomorrow. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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