Platner's "Sexting" Scandal Lies, Jill Biden's Book Tour Panic, and CBS Host Attacks Boss Bari, with Emily Jashinsky | Ep. 1329

25:43Emily Jashinsky:And how many times was E. Jean Carroll on Rachel Maddow, right? Like, it's not true that everybody on the left has been obsessed with Ken Paxton and Trump scandals and Kristi Noem and all of that. But a lot of people have been and a lot of prominent pundits in media who may now be very excited about Graham Plattner and who may now be defending Graham Plattner are actually getting a look in the mirror a little bit or finding out what it's like when the shoe was on the other foot because Republican voters, many of them, since the primaries in 2016, were telling people, we no longer care about this character bullshit, no matter how much others might disagree with it, no matter how much I might disagree with it.

26:19Emily Jashinsky:They've been saying we don't care about it anymore because we don't believe that Jeb Bush is that much better of a man as Donald Trump if he's going to, at the time, send people back into the Middle East or if he is going to make my life that much harder. We don't necessarily believe that because he has led this perfect personal life, he's going to be a more moral president. That goes back 10 years for Republicans. You can go back to the Clinton administration and Lewinsky scandal and hear Gloria Steinem and other feminists making that case. But it was thrown out the window in the Trump era for a lot of prominent Democrats.

26:50Emily Jashinsky:And now they're finding out that Republican voters, the sentiments of Republican voters who said, we don't care about this stuff anymore because we are desperate after the Great Recession, after all of these failed wars in the Middle East. Now with the AI boom threatening to displace half of white collar jobs. We just want somebody who is going to metaphorically blow up the political establishment. And it's a lesser of two evils voting process for a lot of voters out there now. And now the left is with Graham Plattner experiencing a little bit of the Paxton case that Texas voters just reckoned with last week.

27:24Yes. Yes. Republicans gave up on this with Trump. Back in 16, this was a huge debate. You had all these Republicans running as like true conservatives against Trump saying like, my God, look at his marital history. You know, like he's had multiple affairs, which he's bragged about in the New York tabloids. It's like not a secret. And they didn't care. And people tried to shame the evangelicals into like, how could you support him? Why wouldn't you be for Ted Cruz? And they loved Trump. They loved what he stood for. And it was a big deal to have Republicans who were always like the, you know, the party of virtue say, we no longer care.

28:00We got to be honest. We don't actually care about that anymore. And that was the end of that. So it's like, it's going to be tough for Republicans to make this sale too, right? That like Graham Plattner's marital issues are, you know, make him beyond the pale. Like Republicans cannot make that point. This is going to have to be a Democrat issue. But I do find lying interesting. And here is a whole bunch of it. Listen, in my view, listen to Graham Plattner trying to respond to this and speaking to the local ABC outlet in Portland.

28:33Emily Jashinsky:It's no surprise to me that the establishment media outlets are just going to run gossip. Amy and I have a very loving and very happy marriage. But of course, the powers that be do not want us to talk about that. And so they're going to just do gossip instead. But the stories are true, right? About the texts? No. No. This is the amazing part. The Wall Street Journal and the New York Times ran stories without any evidence besides the gossip from a former staffer. I'm sorry. That's frankly journalistic malpractice. We pushed back on it. They did it anyways. So are you confirming that the messages did not exist?

29:13Emily Jashinsky:What's that? The messages, they did not... I'm confirming that what Genevieve McDonald said in the New York Times is not true. So you never met with her about uncomfortable, for lack of a better word, sexting messages as the campaign was going? We talked about things in Amy and I's marriage that we've gone through over the years. We talked about that because that's our marriage. And we discussed it with the campaign. What Genevieve McDonald claims isn't true. Okay. Everything he said is a lie. It's an obvious lie. It's a dodge. Graham, not it. That was a fail, an utter fail. We're not dumb. We're not stupid.

29:52I'm starting to think you might be, though, sir. OK, tries to blame the establishment media as reporting gossip. They got it indirectly from your wife. Your wife is your outer. Sorry. She's the one who outed you. That's why we believe it. And the person who repeated what your wife told them was at the time she received the information, your campaign manager, someone who at that time at least was loyal to you. By the way, that's another thing that's on you. You apparently chose somebody who's not loyal. And that also is on you as a leader. OK, then he says then they say, so it's not true what what they reported is not true.

30:34No, the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times ran stories without evidence besides what they heard from someone, whoever he said. So they ran without evidence. Evidence is a first person testimonial or a second person testimonial if received from a reliable source. And that's what they ran. That is evidence. And he knows damn well that's true. And they both know that Amy's the source. The wife is the source. Then he says, a reporter, good for her, says, are you saying the messages do not exist? And now our audience knows. We don't hear yes. We don't hear no. We hear a dodge. What I'm saying is that what Genevieve McDonald said is not true.

31:24Well, I mean, any amateur lie detector can drive a truck through the loopholes in that non-denial denial. Well, Genevieve used the word 12 when in fact there were only six. Or I wouldn't describe baby you're hot and I want you as a sext. I think a sext has to have explicit language in it about your unit or hers, right? Like whatever. That's such a joke of a day. He's got to get better at lying if he's going to be a politician. Then you never met with her regarding sexting. And once again, we talked about the state of Amy and I's marriage, which is, I mean, the English needs some work. We talked about it.

32:12Yeah, so that's eventually he gets to what's effectively an admission. I mean, again, here are the two options. You should either just say, I'm not going to answer questions about this. Amy and I did go through something at the beginning of my marriage. We worked it out and we continue to work it out. We're both happily married. And beyond that, it's none of your business. I think most people would accept that. They'd be like, you're right. It actually isn't any of my business. But this this bullshit is just going to keep the story alive because Republicans who may not be feeling all that judgy things to Trump.

32:45to have no problem amplifying a scandal on the left when it comes to one of the main Senate seats the GOP needs to defend. And he just gave them so much fodder. He gave them so much fertilizer on those seeds, Emily, which was a massive neophyte error on his part.

33:04Emily Jashinsky:And I wouldn't doubt that there's more to come. It's very early in this race. I mean, it's not even past this technical primary, but I would bet there'll be more to come for Plattner. And that's where I've been fascinated by this campaign since he launched, because it seems to me like he was trying to do a sort of post-Trump campaign where he understood, or his consultants also understood, the value of authenticity, even if sometimes it's like performative authenticity, but the value of just like getting out there and owning your Reddit posts and being like, hey, I just got there. I'd seen a lot of stuff.

33:36Emily Jashinsky:I was struggling. I wasn't doing well. Yes, I called myself a communist and a socialist, but I'm not now. And that's where this would have been an opportunity for him to just go in front of the cameras and instead of denying anything or doing these artful dodges that weren't so artful as in last night, he could have just said, people don't care about the mistakes I made in my marriage. They care that I am going to make their healthcare affordable. They care that I'm going to take on the establishment on X, Y, and Z. I'm going to stop these wars. I mean, like, that's what he could have done. He's tried to do a little bit of both, as has his wife, who said, I'm very upset that we're talking about this and not the issues.

34:14Emily Jashinsky:But he could have just leaned into it and been like, I'm not even going to talk about it, like you said, Megan. And that would have been probably a way better. Like, we saw this with Tallarico last week. Tallarico tried to do his cleanup tour, and you covered it, where he came out and said, of course I believe that there are only two sexes. He's on tape saying there are six sexes, at least six sexes. You can't do that if you're running these new campaigns, because the one thing people want to know is that you believe what you're saying that you believe. Like, that's the biggest problem for Plattner right now.

34:43Emily Jashinsky:He needs to come across as at least being honest, because once you lose that, they might not trust that you actually are going to make health care cheaper, that you actually are going to vote against wars. Like, that's how low institutional trust is. You have to meet the moment. I mean, there's a difference, too, in my mind between, for example, what that disgusting Republican in Texas did, Congressman, where he was cheating with a staffer who worked for him demanding nudes from her. And this woman's life blew up as a result of this affair to the point where she wound up setting herself on fire, taking her own life.

35:21And this congressman took no responsibility. That's a filthy pig. and he was basically forced to say he's going to resign. Only after Swalwell fell apart, however, you know, and Swalwell's behavior, that's different than just being like, whatever this is, you're sexting behind the back of your wife. Again, for the record, not an endorsement. Don't want it to happen. Just saying, you know, each of these things has to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, but the way not to handle it is to just lie to the public and pretend it's the media's fault. That's not what this is. Sorry, you're going to have to deal with it.

35:56Now, potentially more despicable than any of those items we just listed is child exploitation. Don't know whether Graham Plattner's ever done that at all needs to be investigated. That actually we do need to know about. I don't know how you get on Kik and figure out exactly what interactions Graham Plattner had, but why is a 32-year-old man on there, a website that is known for sexually exploiting minors? Here's the Daily Wire's reporting on it. It's called The Predator's Paradise. It was created in June of 2016, his particular Kik profile. Here's his picture. Look at this. It's disgusting. It's his weirdly stout kind of fat body wearing a white towel covering just below the navel.

36:47Obviously, he thinks this looks hot and enticing. I can see the damn toilet. So apparently he thinks he should show off the shitter. That's going to entice some lady. You can see all of his tats, so you know it's him. And he cut off his head. So he wants you to see his not hot chest. Sorry, Graham. And his toilet. it. Like, this is all so gross. It's just gross. So he posts this on there. He joined in June of 2016. Again, he was almost 32 when he joined. 70 % of users on Kik reports the Daily Wire are between the ages of 13 and 24. That's a lot younger. You are walking into a potentially much younger dynamic there.

37:34A Forbes investigation found that Kik had a, quote, huge child exploitation problem. The BBC found that the app was at the center of over 1 ,100 child sexual abuse cases in the UK between 2013 and 2018, just around the time he was joining. It has been described as having, quote, the app, it is being, quote, the app with the most severe sexual content. It offers sexually explicit live chats with women. And it's often found at the center of sexploitation cases where the predators coax someone into sending nude photos and then use the images for blackmail, reported the New York Times in 2016. In 2025, a main man was sentenced to 30 to 60 years in prison for producing videos, forgive me, this is disturbing, of children being raped and distributing the videos in a kick chat room.

38:37On top of this, among his past Reddit posts that have become controversial, there was one in 2017 in which he said he had to jerk off every time I sit in a, quote, porta shitter. That whole thing is a quote. Nice. I mean, first of all, who does that? And second of all, who posts that? It's just, and I don't want to hear PTSD, frankly. I really don't. I know a lot of vets. I know so many vets and I've interviewed countless vets and they're not, you know, it doesn't make you perverted. That's not a thing where you become just a pervert. You're jerking off every time you're in a port-a-potty and you're on inappropriate websites where children like to go.

39:11What the F is that? Don't shame your fellow veterans by trying to chalk that up to PTSD. And here's another one where he described graffiti of a penis as, quote, beautiful and then, quote, engorged and veiny and moving, quote, towards its penetrative glory. I'm sorry. There's something off with this guy. This is the stuff that would stop me if I were a Democrat who really want to control the Senate. I'd say no. It's a no. I do have some standards. He's disgusting. I'm deeply disturbed. And I know I need to know exactly how far he's gone online, when and with whom.

39:48Emily Jashinsky:The kick stuff is where I have no idea what kick is by that description. It seems like a place that has a reputation for being just overtly not even just with children, but like very, very sexual. So was there overlap between his relationship with his now wife and his time on kick? My understanding is that the campaign has said that this was his Kik profile. And he also just hasn't, he deleted the app from his phone long ago. It hasn't been active in a really long time. So there's, of course, a question about that timeline and why he seems to have been spending so much time on the internet, even just like talking about sexual stuff.

40:28Emily Jashinsky:I mean, he talked about everything. He talked about politics, talked about drugs. He talked about all kinds of weird stuff on Reddit over the years. So I just, he was clearly spending a lot of time online. And I think one of the questions, Megan, is, did in 2017, when he says he started getting help from the VA, did that really, like, is he, like, let's just say, like, I think a lot of people have enormous amount of grace for people who served for combat tours. But is he better? Honestly, is he well enough to be in the Senate? Is this, would he still be, if he weren't running for Senate, would he be spending time posting now, cheating on his wife now?

41:05Emily Jashinsky:Like, I don't know. It's a bad pattern and it's not that far in the past. I do think a lot of voters are just going to say, screw it because they want to get Susan Collins out of there. But at the same time, probably other people, you can just not vote also. Like for some people, they may just say, all right, I'm out. I don't have a clear dog in this fight because I don't know that he's great. And I also don't want to vote for that. So you can see that going different ways, especially if there's more to come between now and November. Well, if you're a Democrat in Maine or nationwide, especially if you're in leadership, don't you want to get to the bottom of this before next Tuesday?

41:41I mean, what if there really is something on there that's absolutely devastating that would make everyone run away from him? Don't forget, on the other side of him is not Ken Paxton. On the other side of him is going to be Susan Collins, who's totally palatable for most Mainers. That's why they've reelected her term after term after term. like she's not so far right that she's totally alienating to people who are liberal in Maine, obviously. So like if there is another shoe to drop here, I would imagine if you're on Team Blue, you want it to drop right now when you could potentially get that Maine governor back in this race.

42:17And she's going to be on the ballot because she dropped out so late anyway, and maybe try to drive the vote to her.

42:22Emily Jashinsky:I wonder if that's actually why this went into the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times when it did, Megan, because the Janet Mills people and Janet Mills, by the way, had the sport of Chuck Schumer, had lots of money coming in and endorsements from prominent national Democrats, which after she dropped out, I mean, they thought for sure the Nazi stuff would would cook Plattner, but he got the tattoo covered up and he said, didn't know. They never get tired of that trick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they thought it was going to work. They thought it was going to be smooth sailing for Janet Mills, who is a terrible candidate, by the way.

42:49Emily Jashinsky:Yes, she's the sitting governor, but she is just a terrible candidate for the position. He's Susan Collins is no good either. She keeps winning. But Susan Collins is a great retail politician. Like, that woman is at every opening. Like, she is all over the state. She's brought a lot of money back to the state by being in the Senate over the years, and she can talk to—she knows everybody in the state from the sort of main political folks that I know. She's just excellent. That's why she's been able to last so long, because she travels the whole state, talks to everyone. So that could be a real problem for Plattner, too.

43:22Emily Jashinsky:There's just a lot of built-in goodwill for Susan Collins around the state of Maine. That's why they thought they had Sarah Gideon. Last time they tried to get rid of Susan Collins, they thought they had it. They put so much money in this race. They thought they had a great candidate. Fell flat. Didn't work. Polls were wrong, too. So it's a tough race. You're right. It's not like Ken Paxton on the other side of it. And I think that does kind of change the dynamic a bit. But maybe that's why this was dropping to the Times and the Wall Street Journal is that the source, I think Genevieve McDonald, the former campaign manager, was getting pressure, maybe pressure from herself, too, to try and spoil the primary at the last minute and get Mills back into the race.

43:59Emily Jashinsky:I don't think Mills gives them a better chance of beating Susan Collins no matter what is to come on Graham Plattner, assuming it's not like horrible child abuse. But other than that, I think he's still probably a better candidate. We'll see what happens, though, because that she I guess she could. She's on the bat. Not horrible child abuse. Obviously, that would do anybody in. But if he had any sort of meaningful interaction with somebody who was underage, he's toast. Yeah, I agree. He's toast. And I do wonder whether there's something that somebody knows that's being withheld. I don't know. But a lot of this stuff is traceable on these social media websites.

44:37We'll find out. He said he was asked, he got the Lulu Garcia Navarro treatment at the New York Times. Well, I'll just play it. This is two weeks ago. Sot three. But the GOP is going to dig up everything and more that they can.

44:53Emily Jashinsky:Yeah. And probably lie at some point. Is there something new you want to get ahead of? No. I mean, like, we've, I've been, I've lived my life. Like, I've been there for the whole thing. And it's, and because of that, like, I, I, I mean, I know what I've, what I've been through. I know what I've, I know what my behavior has been. I know all of it. And the, I mean, there's a reason that even after however many months that was, October, when they dropped the opposition research stuff on us. And the whole time there was always just like, oh, there's more coming. And I was like, I don't know like what this more is going to be.

45:32So those are more lies because when he said that, he knew that he had been sexting with six, 12, a baker's dozen, I don't know, number of women, not his wife, with sexually explicit messages. He knew, so he was lying there. And for what it's worth, though, he's saying nothing is coming. That turned out not to be true because we have this scandal. Let's see whether there's something more. Like to think that if he were communicating in any way with somebody underage, again, zero evidence of that, just his presence on Kik, which could have been just about women and explicit chats. I don't know that he wouldn't have said something so explicit.

46:14I do want to point out, though, that his campaign threatened this Genevieve McDonald in a pretty offensive way. This guy, Morris Katz, who was with Momdani, who's now a Platner campaign strategist. First, he's tweeted out, it's no one's fucking business what happened in Graham and Amy's marriage before he was ever a candidate for office. Again, before he was a candidate for office. This is the new Democrat standard. Oh, what? Like, does it have to be during the candidacy? Is that now what limits the scandal? They have to be doing it while they're actually running? I don't think so. But this guy is the one who allegedly threatened Genevieve, the former campaign manager.

46:59And she said that he wrote a message to her as follows. Just want to be clear before these stories broke on where we are right now. If the story goes in its current iteration, This is for the Wall Street Journal piece, which was first. We'll communicate directly on the record and by name that Genevieve violated the personal trust of Amy and Graham and shared explicit falsehoods to sabotage the campaign. She said in her post, that's when I called the New York Times and offered to go on the record. So that backfired mightily. mightily. And now we're reduced to these two calling it gossip and her saying, I don't want a perfect marriage.

47:41I want my marriage. Well, pardon the rest of us if we don't, we want nothing to do with your marriage. That's the last thing I want for my marriage. And I don't think it's exactly an example, you know, barely married and sexting six to 12 others. And then everyone's in therapy for God knows how long. It's not great. Okay. Moving on the other big races. So that race is going to be, well, the Democrat primary comes up a week from tomorrow in Maine. But tomorrow is the big California vote at the gubernatorial level and at the mayoral level. And that's also got a lot of interesting stuff going on.

48:20Steve Hilton, who's been in the lead oftentimes by a lot, Then it started to narrow, and now he's lost the lead. Becerra is ahead by a couple of points. It's not a huge advance, but he's ahead now by a couple of points. and in two is the vile, loathsome Tom Steyer, only one point ahead of Steve Hilton. But Steve Hilton, now we reported this on AM Update, is now begging Republicans in California to not split the GOP vote because Chad Bianco is now in, I think, fifth or sixth. He's like, please, with no offense to Chad, you've got to vote for me because we can't, we could now be looking at those two Democrats in the runoff with no Republican choice.

49:07Your thoughts?

49:08Emily Jashinsky:I mean, they're on the cusp of something very exciting in California, and it will be disillusioning if he doesn't cross into the runoff tomorrow, because, again, there's so many people in California, Democrats, independents, who just want something that is not from the left right now in California. because even the anti-establishment left has run cities like Los Angeles into the ground. Karen Bass, not considered to be the most establishment Hillary Clinton type politician. They've seen this over and over again throughout their state. Gavin Newsom tries to act like he's Mr. Progressive. Well, look at the record in California for Gavin Newsom.

49:49Emily Jashinsky:And so there's just so many people who are tired of it. They want something new. It's kind of like what we've been talking about the whole show. They're desperate. They might be Democrats who don't like that Spencer Pratt maybe is, you know, whatever he thinks about abortion, right? They might think it's MAGA or with Steve Hilton, they might think he's MAGA, although I think he's handled those questions pretty well. But at this point, they're willing to try something different. And it is going to be disillusioning if Steyer, of all people, billionaire Tom Steyer is the one who snatches it away from Steve Hilton at the last moment.

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53:05Happy Monday again. I can't believe it's finally here, but June is too, and that's the good news. Emily Jashinsky is back with me now. She is the host of After Party with Emily Jashinsky. It streams live every Monday and Wednesday night at 9 p.m. Eastern on YouTube. You can watch it with her live, have a beer, relax, see what's on her mind. She always gets some great guests and they have good interviews. Or you can just consume it as a podcast by subscribing to After Party with Emily Jashinsky. Or just go to AfterPartyEmily.com and that'll give you all the subscription options. So, E.J., the California race involves now separating here.

53:45We were on gubernatorial. So we'll stay there for a minute before we just talk about how Karen Bass burned their city down and they're still going to reelect her at the gubernatorial level. Tom Steyer is now making a run. And unfortunately, he's got momentum. You know, he's kind of like peaking right when you want to peak like days before this primary. And what is he doing? What is it that's capturing the hearts and minds of Californians? It's his nonsense, I think, reach out on the trans people in sports issue. Amazingly, this is where the 15 percent of Americans who support that nonsense live.

54:22You know, it truly is between an 80 and 90 percent support issue to keep boys out of girls sports in America. But it is at least an 82 percent who don't want it. At least 82 % have said that they don't want in poll after poll. So where are those, what, call it 18 % of the Americans? They must be in California. I mean, quite clearly they are because it seems to be helping him, which must be why he's doing it. So he takes time out. In the story all last week, in the news all last week was this A.B. Hernandez, who we've been following for quite some time here on the MK Show, who's a boy pretending to be a girl in track and field who has stolen medal after medal of the girls he's competing against, who has broken record after record.

55:03It's easy when you're a boy in the girls sports. And now it's been the state championship where he, again, broke records and stole girls medals. And these girls are forced to subject themselves to the indignity of sharing the top riser with him. This one girl next to him. I mean, honestly, it's like you'd think this would do it because the girl who seems to have actually won in most of these meets is a beautiful young black girl who is forced to share her award with this white male. Hello, Democrats. We're supposed to hate them. This is a white male stealing the bragging and other rights belonging to a black female American.

55:42Where are you? Where are you? They don't give a shit because he's pretending to be a girl, which ranks him higher than actual girls, even actual girls of color. I don't understand the leftist philosophy. I'm just repeating what it is. So enter Tom Steyer to try to make a hero out of this boy, A.B. Hernandez, and his mother. Here's the soundbite.

56:05Emily Jashinsky:You guys were talking about me and the support that I had, despite all the social media drama. So I thought I found it pretty interesting that you're set on just basically a set choice on where you stand with trans athletes. I am. It was nice to just have a straight decision on who you support. Most people support you 90 % of the time, just not the 10 % you need them for. If we're going to be on side, then we're on side 100 % of the time. I've been outed like so many times over and over. You know, docs, where I go to school. So I feel like more safety aspect and not just supporting, but... Protecting.

56:43Emily Jashinsky:Yeah, protection. I totally agree. I was saying in this town hall, it's the job of the governor to stand between danger and Californians. And I mean it. And to make sure that people are safe and to protect them from all the malign influences in this world. And I take that super, super, super seriously for you. Just so you know. And I'm so proud of you for what you're doing. Thank you. So proud of you for succeeding. So proud of you for competing. That's really the point. And I'm going to hope like heck that you don't just make state, but you do really well there. OK, so it's it's his job to put himself between danger and Californians.

57:24What about the what about the little girls? What about the danger? Why isn't he standing between that danger and the little girls of California? Don't they count? Don't they matter, Tom Steyer? Do you give two shits about the girls who are actually being hurt? Honestly, again, track and field is not one of those sports because they don't actually have to be touching one another. They run, they jump, they jump high, they jump long. But girls in field hockey, in soccer, in volleyball, in basketball are being hurt on the regular and he doesn't care. He's not willing to put himself through between that danger and those experiencing it.

58:06In fact, he's willing to help cause it. Shame on this guy. And then Emily, he says the job of the governor is to protect against all of the malign influences in the world. No, it isn't. What are you saying? I don't want my elected official to think that's his job. There are certain identifiable dangers that an elected politician, depending on the office, is responsible for, i.e. the border. If you are president, that's real. OK, and President Trump actually did issue some executive orders to protect young girls from this danger caused by athletes like A.B. Hernandez. That's appropriate. But what who wants to elect a politician who thinks it's his it's his remit to protect all Californians against all of the malign influences in the world?

59:00That is such a Democrat way of thinking. Everything is government's problem. Everything is in government's hands. And that's why you have to be taxed up to your eyeballs and give it all to the Tom Styers of the world, including the billionaires who have not given enough, even though they've spent more on taxes than the rest of us combined. They need to spend more. They have to give it to Tom Steyer because he's busy protecting us from the most malign influences in the world all the time. All of this is just to tell that we are dealing with a radically left man.

59:33Emily Jashinsky:Yeah, he wants to be your daddy as governor of California. But this is the tragedy of California. It's the state that used to be the frontier, the American frontier, where people could self-actualize and go and have an amazing middle class life. The beginning of LA Confidential makes me so sad. Like, this is a very weird reference, but if you're watching the beginning of the film, there's all of these, like, reels of how California used to be depicted in the mid-century period. And it makes me so sad to look at what California was, what it symbolized to the country. And now it actually is full of a lot of people, I think, Megan, your point is correct, who are attracted to what Tom Steyer is saying, because we saw what happened during COVID in California.

1:00:11Emily Jashinsky:There were people who wanted the governor to be their daddy, who wanted their local mayors to be their daddy. Like, they wanted security over freedom. And that is so the opposite of what California used to symbolize in the United States, what it meant culturally to us, how it was politically. It is the exact opposite. But I think that's probably why, to some extent, this is working. Because, Megan, I don't know about you. I think Tom Starr is one of the few Americans who believes what he's saying. Like, I think he genuinely believes that these athletes should be able to compete with girls. And I think he is of the minority.

1:00:43Emily Jashinsky:He's so far left and progressive on this question. He genuinely believes what he's saying. And there's something when you're in a tight race that's being pulled in multiple different directions with failed politicians like Javier Becerra, who lost so many migrant children under the Biden administration, under his purview when he was serving in the Biden administration. people look at the failed politicians in the race and they say, well, this Tom Steyer guy, he shares my cultural beliefs. He's going to protect us, protect California from the mean Republicans who want to do us harm. And I want somebody to come in and make me feel safer in all of these different ways as governor that aren't typically seen as like government duty, right?

1:01:25Emily Jashinsky:Like physically safer in certain cases, like the baseline in California, you should be physically safe walking down the streets of Los Angeles, right? Like you should be safe from like some of these fundamental duties of the government, which is to keep mentally ill people off the streets, help them get treatment, help them get treatment. This is what Steve Hilton and Spencer Pratt talk about. Protect them, protect them from themselves, protect other people from where that is going to go. But he wants to run the country or he wants to run the state in the opposite direction. And it's all just, and it's oddly in the name of like personal freedom.

1:01:58Emily Jashinsky:It's this bastardization on the left, right? Like they don't want people to have the sort of basic freedoms like Second Amendment rights and the like. But then when it comes to the personal freedom to be on the street and camping in unsafe conditions for yourself, let alone others, that personal freedom they're good with. And it's the tragedy of California. I think you see it in one candidate here. I mean, in much of the candidates, but he's really crystallizing it. You are so right. I remember talking to Charlie Sheen and reading his book about the California he grew up in when he was a kid in the 70s.

1:02:32Martin Sheen was his dad and, of course, famous. But he used to talk about exactly what you're describing and how it wasn't this hard leftist weird place. It was just a beautiful, gorgeous, big desert with relatively mild temperatures that you could raise your family on and not be bothered. And it also reminds me of California and Governor Reagan. Governor Reagan, before he became President Reagan in his famous, the scariest nine words in the English language. I'm from the government and I'm here to help, right? That nobody ever wants to hear. And this is exactly the opposite of that. Now this guy wants Ronald Reagan's job and God help us, it's possible he could get it.

1:03:12At the mayoral level, they actually might elect the woman who let their city burn. It's amazing. She fell down on the job so many ways. I mean, they're seriously thinking about letting Gavin Newsom, like, get the Democratic nomination. I'm sure there are a lot of Californians who would like it. Bill Maher's one of them. And letting Karen Bass stay in this office after she burned down half their city. No, she didn't light the match, but she helped create the conditions that created a tinderbox in the Pacific Palisades and beyond. And they're, She's leading. She's leading right now in the reelection battle, Emily.

1:03:51Emily Jashinsky:And I mean, granted, the vote is split between her and Nithya Rahman, but Nithya Rahman's purview on city council has been dealing with homelessness in Los Angeles, which is one of the reasons that Spencer Pratt is surging. And so when you're faced with these options, this is what happens in deep blue and deep red states. The party is so entrenched because there's so little competition that you end up with like the worst possible candidates. no great offense to Ken Paxton and John Cornyn, but I think you said something similar in Texas. Like it happens when you have one party that is really firmly in control of states.

1:04:22Emily Jashinsky:It's so hard to veer away from this pattern of failure because all of the candidates are part of the pattern of failure. And I think that might be working to Tom Steyer's advantage because even though he is a part of the left-wing establishment, just because he comes to the business community, I mean, that man has been intertwined with the NGO world and the Democratic Party now for many years, but I think that's partially why he probably is surging. He doesn't represent like the Biden administration, like Javier Becerra, who you covered him coming into that local news interview with such a sense of entitlement.

1:04:51Emily Jashinsky:Oh, this is going to be a nice profile, right? That's how it is when you have these states that are so deeply in one party or the other. It's so hard to get out of the vicious cycle. And that's why it's going to be very disillusioning if I think two of the best chances for not Republicans, but independents to just try and break the cycle, even if you don't agree with Pratt and Hilton on 100 percent of things. This is what scares California Democrats into being better, is having a little bit of competition. And it's not going to work if you have Karen Bass and then like Tom Steyer, Javier Becerra stepping into these roles.

1:05:22Emily Jashinsky:It's not going to work. Can you imagine if it's those two who advance, if Steve Hilton doesn't even make the runoff for governor and you've got those two other losers vying for the top job? And what if, you know, what if at the at the mayoral level, it's not Spencer Pratt? What if these other what if Karen Bass gets over 50 percent? I don't think so unless Nithya Raman drops out. But you've got 60 plus percent of the vote ready to side with the Democrats. As much as we'd like to believe that Spencer Pratt has momentum, you know, he's in a three way tie right now. Like that sounds exciting for a Republican.

1:05:57That means two thirds are with the Democrats there. Not to be a buzzkill, I'm just looking at the numbers. It's like, it's Lucy with the football. You know, it's like, are these people in LA actually going to vote for Spencer Pratt? I mean, I hope so. I'd love for him to just pull a rabbit out of a hat, but there's a reason California got into the mess it's in. And it's because of very, very bad voting choices. Okay, keeping going. Dr. Jill, she's out there. I love this woman. I'm like, you go, girl. You should have your say. Blow it up. Blow it. Take the grenade and throw the shit right in the middle of that.

1:06:38Why should we over on Team Sanity have all the problems? We got enough issues of our own. By the way, the Iran deal has completely fallen apart. The ceasefire may be off. That's been blown to smithereens. Israel continued to bomb Lebanon. Qatar is involved. It's a fucking mess. And I don't think it's got any chance of ending soon, unfortunately. And also Exxon just said gas prices are looking like they're going to go up to$150 to$160 per barrel in the coming weeks. They're now in the 90s. So that's terrible. This is a nightmare politically and otherwise. We have our own problems over here on the right, center right and independent right as I am.

1:07:21So I'm fine with Dr. Jill throwing a little hornet's nest over into our leftist friend's camp. She has decided that now would be a great time to revive the debate over whether Joe Biden's mental health was perfect while he was running for president. And I am here for it. She's also not happy. She's not being shown the respect she thinks she deserves on this book rollout, which it's supposed to be about her, her, and not just Joe Biden. Let me start with that one just because it's fun. And this is angry Jill Biden, who's giving Gayle King vibes of I'm inspirational, Craig Melvin, whether you know it or not, I'm an inspiration.

1:08:02Watch.

1:08:03Emily Jashinsky:And I think we have to point out, Craig, like that's one chapter of my book. My book is not about politics. It's about me, my reflections, my life, my life as a teacher, My life as the first working lady, you know, first lady. I mean, I went to work. I taught at a community college. I took a paycheck. I wanted to say to American women, look at me. I am like you are. Look at me. I too can have a private car and drive me to the suburbs and teach.

1:08:44Can you believe she said? I mean, that shows her panic because I'll show you the earlier questions, which are all about the nonsense in the chapter about Joe Biden and, you know, his mental deterioration, the debate and all that. But like, that's her in a panic, like supposed to be about me. She's basically saying my booker and your booker agreed you were going to talk about me and what an inspiration I am. Where's that, Craig? And he kept calling her Dr. Jill, this fake obsequiousness. It wasn't even real obsequiousness. It was like he knew he had to do it, just like the price of admission and having her sit there.

1:09:17It's so painful. And then here is some more on how it went when it came to her covers for Joe Biden on how well he allegedly did at the debate. Remember, after the debate, she told us all like, oh, he was impressive. He knew all the answers. But now she's saying she thought he was having to stroke. He answered every question, Megan. How dare you? Such a good boy. It's like my Strudwick. When I say sit, he sits. When I say shake, he shakes. He's a good boy. OK, here's a 14 to start with. How do you square thinking that he may have had a stroke with what you were saying in the days and weeks after?

1:09:56Emily Jashinsky:How do you square? Well, look, Craig, look at it from my point of view. So I'm watching just like everybody else was scared to death. Like what is going on? He gets off the stage. I see he appears to be OK. He says to me, Jill, I really, in other words, messed up, didn't I? And I said, yes, you did. And so we get off and I know we're going into another event or we have two more to do. And my mind is racing. What do I say to him? What do I say to him? I'm his wife. I've got to lift him up. So we go to the next event and I'm thinking, what do I say that will lift him up? That is true. I want to say the things that are true.

1:10:36Emily Jashinsky:And so I said, you know, you answered every question. My mind's racing. You know, that's a pretty low bar. Well, and so, you know, I had to sort of lift him up. I mean, I'm his wife. I'm not going to get out on the stage there and say, Joe, you really screwed that up. I had to support him. I couldn't come out. And I mean, really publicly say, Joe, you did a terrible job in that debate. That is so horrific. She bullied every member of the Democrat Party who was even mildly critical of him on the mental health question both before and after the debate. Look, all the news from then that day to this has been about how bitter Jill and Joe are that he was forced out of the campaign after that.

1:11:32how the indignity of it, how unfair they thought it was. And now she admits the whole reason she said you answered every question was because it was the only true statement she could think of to say to him after what she recognized was a disaster. The nerve of her to bully everyone and now admit she totally shared their viewpoint. And the reason we saw her speaking to him like he was a toddler is because it was the only thing she could think of to say that was factually true.

1:12:05Emily Jashinsky:This woman is in such an incredible bubble. And I think part of this is that you have people like Joe Scarborough meeting with Biden before the debate, long before the debate, actually, coming back and saying, this is the best Joe Biden that I've ever seen. You had the media being successfully bullied by the White House into basically dropping the story about whether or not Joe Biden was ailing and having serious cognitive decline in front of everyone's face. And Joe Biden got used to that from the media. And I think she is a little bit taken aback by the questions that she's getting on this, what was supposed to be clearly a very soft and warm PR tour for her book.

1:12:40Emily Jashinsky:But of course, her book does deal with her role, though it's not, you know, a mission of any guilt, but it deals with her role in what has to be considered one of the biggest scandals in presidential history here in the United States, which is that you had a president who was declining in front of everybody's eyes. you had the media barely willing to touch the story and everyone around him denying it. And to me, when I look at Joe Biden, I just see such an example of the people that Joe Biden has surrounded himself with over the course of his life, his family, his son, Hunter, obviously, Jill, they were living, for most of Joe Biden's career, pretty normal lives.

1:13:18Emily Jashinsky:Joe Biden didn't cash out and go into lobbying or anything like that. And I think it made them deeply resentful of the way that they lived. Like they want to be rich. They want to be comfortable. And they've always had to have like Frank and Valerie and James off stage, you know, coming up with money and lobbying, peddling the influence, Hunter, and then putting it all back into the family in one way or the other, instead of just like being able to live comfortably and sort of bask in the glow of Joe Biden's career and be wealthy. And I think that's how desperate they are to be rich is that she is now selling a book without any, I mean, I think she has some knowledge that people have turned on the Biden family, have turned on her, but I don't think she understood how deep it was.

1:14:01Emily Jashinsky:And she was still willing to go out there and sell this book because she thought maybe it would be okay. Her husband is literally, I mean, I'm sorry, but he's probably in the process of dying right now because he has stage four bone cancer. That's what they tell us. And Hunter has said, Hunter went on Soft White Underbelly last week and talked about the fact that it is very hard for his dad right now. He has trouble sleeping and everything like that, which we would expect. And his wife's up in New York trying to sell this book by saying that he like spilling inside details about when he had probably the most embarrassing moment of his entire life.

1:14:34Emily Jashinsky:And he's willing to let it happen, apparently, because he wants them to be okay when he's gone. He wants them to have money. And I think that's what this is about at the end of the day. Exactly. So she wouldn't pile on him the night of the debate, but she's fine piling on him now that we know he has stage four bone cancer. For profit. Now would be a much better time to hurt the husband. And here is, speaking of hurting the husband, listen to this. I listened to the Today Show interview, and this was the part that struck me as the most galling, more galling than I'm a role model. People should respect me.

1:15:06This interview should be about me because I'm a role model. Again, giving Gayle King, have you been vibes? More than that, listen to Sot 14B. If you could go back in a time machine and do it all over again, would you have encouraged

1:15:21Emily Jashinsky:him maybe to not run again? You know, as I look back, would I want to put Joe through the hurt and the pain that we felt during that time? Never, never. I mean, it was so hurtful. And so it sounds like you're saying if you could do it all over again, you probably would have encouraged him to to be a one term president. But it had to be his decision, Craig. The pain he went through. Honestly, like I'm not a Democrat. I was never voting for Joe Biden. But if I were, I think I'd be feeling rage throughout my entire body. The pain he went through as a result of him choosing to run again and then getting embarrassing himself on the national stage and getting forced out.

1:16:08The Democrat Party is apoplectic right now over the fact that Donald Trump is president and they hate everything he's doing. And it's because of Joe Biden. I mean, like, there's no question those two things are intimately linked, not only his implosion on the debate stage and the way he was, but of course, the lawfare, all the shit that Joe Biden unleashed against Trump to make him a more sympathetic figure, to make people a backlash against Joe Biden, to teach the Democrats a lesson about unfair lawfare. And then on top of it, putting an infirm man out there and the media establishment, the Democrat establishment, trying to tell me not to, all of us, not to believe our lying eyes, right?

1:16:46And now to say she feels sorry for Joe about what that did to him. And by the way, she's the one who made him do it. Remember, she was infamously at that dinner where she announced that he's running again to the shock of his campaign aides who were there like, what? Like she's, I don't, she's as bad as he is. She's as bad as Hunter, as much of a grifter. She's all the things we suspected she was when we saw her weekend at Bernie's him into the second run. And here she's inadvertently confirming it all.

1:17:19Emily Jashinsky:I think she actually is significantly worse than her husband, because I think we all now at this point understand that Joe Biden probably was not lucid enough to be consciously making all of these decisions. I'm like that's a really upsetting thing to say just as an American that your president probably wasn't capable of making these decisions independently It was probably very reliant on what he was hearing from other people because he was losing his grasp His complete grasp on reality, which is something that we saw every day in front of our own eyes Or at least the days that he was willing to go in front of cameras So if I were just there was a really interesting conversation on pod save america the obama guys who now podcast They were talking about how it was so interesting.

1:18:02Emily Jashinsky:They were like, people don't understand how the Biden cognitive decline scandal is affecting people's perceptions of Democrats around the country. They were like, narrowly, are people going to go to the polls and vote on whether or not somebody was covering up the Biden decline? No. But every single Democratic candidate and many pundits who are supporting Democratic candidates now have to climb themselves out of this deep hole just in terms of like people's general vibe about whether or not they're trustworthy. And National Democrats have no seem to have no idea how much of that goes directly back to them going on camera over and over again over the course of honestly five years because they did the same thing during the primary with Joe Biden saying he is fine, which got worse and worse with every single year.

1:18:47Emily Jashinsky:And so they are infuriated. But you know who should be mad is people like Janet Mills, who had to drop out of the main race because nobody trusts the Democratic establishment anymore. It goes directly back to the trust deficit that a lot of Democrats come just naturally to every single race right now. It's not always just Joe Biden. It's also voting for terrible things, inflation and all of that. Yes. The border. Yes. But this is such a big part of it, too. And they can't escape it right now in a midterm cycle when Jill Biden decided to sell a damn book in the middle of a midterm cycle. Like, it's unbelievable.

1:19:22Emily Jashinsky:It's amazing. The selfishness. Remember Dean Phillips who ran and tried to say he was like this moderate, nice Democrat who was like, respectfully, Thankfully, I think Joe Biden's like not in any condition to do a second term. They killed him. They absolutely crushed that guy. Adam Smith, not to be confused with Adam Schiff. He's a Republican or a Democrat congressman from from Washington state. He came on our show and he said the truth about Joe Biden's mental infirmity. And he was never heard from again. Like I just saw him actually out there giving an interview in response to this book. But like he's certainly not a Democrat favorite.

1:19:59it. Those Bidens ruined people, ruined people, and certainly at least tried, who had the temerity to say anything about him. And now she wants us to feel sorry for Joe Biden for running again. We don't. Fuck off. Wait, I want to show you one other thing. Yeah, you go.

1:20:16Emily Jashinsky:Well, I was going to say, I'm glad that the PodSafe guys are saying what they're saying now, because it's just better for all of us to be honest about this. But at the same time, part of the reason people are now willing to turn on Biden, including the media and the Bidens, is because the Bidens are now have no hope of getting back into any position of power. The family is powerless. They can't peddle their influence because it means nothing. And so the media has no reason to be nice to them, has no reason to be like going in with kid gloves. And that's what this all is about. I don't know what she thought was going to happen.

1:20:46I really don't. She didn't think it through. All that education, become an actual doctor. She didn't study what she needed to learn. here's one more. So there's the person who interviewed Jill Biden for CBS Sunday mornings is named Rita Braver. And Rita Braver is the one who was responsible for the original clip where she was like, I thought he was having a stroke that made the rounds last Friday and did not ask any follow-ups. Like, how can you say that? You ran around shaming people for criticizing him. After the debate, you tried to make him stay in the race. He had to be forced out by George Clooney and The New York Times and Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.

1:21:37What do you mean you thought he was having a stroke? That's not at all how you behave that. Not one follow up by Rita Braver in a massive journalistic fail. And yet another example of why CBS is doing very poorly right now in the ratings across the board. Well, we went back and looked at the whole interview because it didn't air until this Sunday. And I just want to give you a feel for the very, very tough interview that Rita Braver gave Dr. Jill Biden. Look at these questions.

1:22:08Emily Jashinsky:So is it a big change? You know, you're in the White House and you're living kind of a quiet life in Delaware. Was there any foreign trip that you just loved? You traveled the country trying to make sure that people got vaccinated, for example, right? You're a little bit tense when it comes to his health, huh? When he was considering not running, you said, I don't want you to have my opinion. Why did you say that? Did you ever think of changing the title after the East Wing was destroyed? Your family was all around you in the White House, right? In the book, you don't mention President Trump's name except for one time.

1:22:50Emily Jashinsky:I have to think that was done on purpose. Tell us about that. I mean, why was it hard to be first lady? Well, you went all out to get Vice President Harris elected. When you think about the country now, what do you think of the direction this country is going in now? She had to check her notes for that. That last one she had to check her notes for. When you think about the country now, look down. What do you think about the direction it's going in? Rita, it's time to hang it up. Sorry. Sorry, girl. It's time to hang it up. It's not an age thing. Leslie Stala is 86, I think. She's still crushing it.

1:23:23She's like doing fine. She can still she's not my cup of tea. I'm just saying like she's out there. She's doing journalism and she's still doing big interviews. Rita, not it. It's time. I don't know if Rita was ever good. I've got to be honest. And I've never heard of Rita before. I'm not I'm not a big Sunday mornings watcher. But that was such a fail on every level. Can you that's why she didn't ask any follow up questions because clearly there was a deal to give her a softball massage interview. And she's so programmed to do that, that even when Jill Biden is making massive news saying she thought Joe Biden was having a stroke at the debate she's been telling us all he crushed, she couldn't follow up.

1:24:06She couldn't deviate off of her list of softball questions. What an embarrassment.

1:24:11Emily Jashinsky:I mean, when Craig Melvin is doing better journalistic interviews than somebody who gets the first sit down, it's a sad statement. I don't know, Megan, I'm watching this and I'm thinking, you may know more about this than I do, but at these big networks, women of a certain age see themselves as, because they're all center-left feminists, see themselves in solidarity with other women who have been through hardships who are also from the center-left. And so she may be one of the few people in America that has any real empathy remaining for Jill Biden. It may have been a deal with the publisher. They want to keep getting access to the publisher.

1:24:49Emily Jashinsky:I don't know. But to me, I read that as her genuinely feeling deep empathy and almost like sistership with Jill Biden, which is hilarious and pathetic. And it's why these networks are dinosaurs, because they still have some of these people in top interviewing positions who suck because they're so used to doing the back padding interviews that maybe flew 30 years ago. But nobody institutional trust is so low in the country right now that nobody has any appetite for this bullshit anymore. It's so crazy. And by the way, she would have done Jill Biden a favor if she had asked a couple of follow ups to get her to explain, like, how can you say that when you are on record?

1:25:27as having defended him after that debate. You're doing her a favor when you're asking her the question that everyone wants answered as opposed to just being stuck in your kiss-ass questions because that's what you agreed to be at CBS Sunday mornings. I'm so embarrassed for her. Leslie Stahl is 84, not 86, but the point stands. She's well into her 80s, and she's still asking tough questions. Unfortunately for the rest of us, they're all of Republicans. My point is simply she knows how to do a challenging interview. Unlike Rita, Rita's sister. I'm sorry, but it didn't work out. Speaking of CBS, there is breaking news about CBS right now.

1:26:08And it is from Dylan Byers, who writes now for Puck News. And he has just gotten a scoop about the new executive producer of 60 Minutes, who's a guy named Nick Bilton. who's done kind of nothing, not kind of nothing in TV. I don't think he's done anything in TV, much like his boss, Barry Weiss, who has zero television experience, zero, nothing when it comes to TV news. And because they like Barry's stance on, I guess, I don't know, Israel and woke issues because the Ellisons align with her on that, they hired her and put her in charge of CBS News.

1:26:52Emily Jashinsky:And unfortunately, don't forget low taxes, as obviously. Yeah, low taxes. Right. So obviously what they're learning the hard way is that when it comes to broadcast journalism, the broadcast piece of it actually does mean something. And having some experience would be highly relevant and helpful. But they're learning the hard way that having zero experience, whether you are the editor in chief over there or the new head of 60 Minutes does matter. It will set you up to fail. And if you don't have it, guess what else you won't be? Respected by the rank and file, who actually do take pride in understanding how to do not just journalism, but broadcast journalism, which involves a lot of other elements, which they continue to get wrong under this new leadership.

1:27:37So she brings in somebody who's obviously some sort of a friend, this Nick Bilton, and he just held his first all hands meeting at 60 minutes this morning, and it did not go well. Scott Pelley, who's I guess the chief anchor over there, told this Nick Bilton that he has scant qualifications for the job and pressed him to account for all the firings we saw from 60 Minutes last week of anyone who got under Barry Weiss's skin. Nick suggested the conversation would be better held in private. Scott Pelley countered that he would prefer to have the conversation in front of his 60 Minutes colleagues for whom he clearly believed he was speaking to.

1:28:18Nick Bilton told Scott, they're my colleagues too, to which Scott Pelley replied, again, this is Dylan Byers reporting, to which Scott Pelley replied, that remains to be seen. Whoa. He says he'll have more tonight. And then there was another report from The Guardian moments ago that said, hold on, do I have it here? Yes. from the Guardian's Jeremy Barr, who reports that Scott Pelley then called out Barry Weiss in the meeting saying, and this is in quotes, she's murdering 60 Minutes. She does not love this place. She was brought in to kill it and is doing exactly that. Now, Emily, I want to take you back to right after Barry was given this job and she and I were friendly.

1:29:10and I said some nice things about her because I cared about Barry. And to be honest, I still care about Barry. She's been coming for me over the Israel thing, much like Ben Shapiro, not the courtesy of a text, even though I texted her. Nope, I'm otherized. I guess I'm not on her list of friends now. That's fine. So I'm now just gonna be really honest about what's happening at her in 60 Minutes. It's her fault. What she's doing at CBS, which is failing, is her fault. And even when Barry and I were friendly and she got this role, though I wished her well and so on, I did say the truth to my audience, as I always do.

1:29:49And this was my reaction when I heard she got this job with zero broadcast news experience. Why would you go into mainstream media right now? Like, it's dead. It's dying. It absolutely is on track for the iceberg. I just don't understand the allure. And I really don't understand the allure to go to a television network, which is not Barry's background at all. And it's for me, and I really love Barry and Nellie too. I worry they're going to eat her alive because CBS is among the worst when it comes to being insular. Like you have to be raised at CBS to be respected by the CBS people. It's happening.

1:30:39It's happening right now. She's being eaten alive from within. She will not succeed in this position. It will not be held long term. And you can see it. They can fire Sharon Alfonsi or this one or that one. The entire organization is against her. She's got like three friends over there, most of whom are extremely pro-Israel, who will speak up for her on that front. There's nothing wrong with being pro-Israel, but I'm telling you they're not inside CBS, and you've got to have more to you than that. You have to have something they respect. And pro tip to the Ellisons, you also at CBS have to have been raised in television.

1:31:16You have to understand what's in the mind of a television correspondent, what makes a good television story, what works and what doesn't in a 60 minutes piece, which, by the way, Mr. Ellison, is a visual art. It's a visual presentation. She has no fucking background in this. They don't respect her and they never will. So she will be eaten alive. It's happening right now. It has absolutely no hope of succeeding. And, you know, I'm not sorry to be right, but I was in what I said.

1:31:45Emily Jashinsky:What your point about the culture at CBS is such an important one that if you've worked at these big networks before, you know that it's exactly as you described it with CBS in particular, There's this like preciousness about the brand that makes this kind of difficult because Barry has the worst critics in so many cases. Like if it is, there's good gatekeeping and there's bad gatekeeping. And what Scott Pelley is doing is honestly bad gatekeeping. Like if her critics are Scott Pelley and Rita and the people who have run CBS into the ground, although it's now going further into the ground, if you're looking at ratings for evening news and such, that is not helpful, right?

1:32:22Emily Jashinsky:I don't have a lot of sympathy for Scott Pelley, who just doesn't want any of this precious, precious product, which the American people are increasingly rejecting, to have a little bit of fresh air. And the Bilton hire is very interesting because my understanding is he comes from New York Times documentaries. That is kind of what the sweet spot for 60 Minutes should be in that what you air on broadcast should be able to double on YouTube and be a really good ad generator for people in or for these networks. Now, they're always going to have to cut overhead. You're never going to be able to have Stephen Colbert with 200 staffers for a primetime late night comedy show.

1:32:58Emily Jashinsky:And that's going to apply across the board. Nor should you. Nor should Stephen Colbert. It's crazy. It's crazy. And you can't support that, but you can probably be profitable. Like, Fallon does pretty well on socials. You should be working to find a new way to use all pieces of the news buffalo and all the different platforms that people are now on. So maybe it's an interesting hire. But yes, like you have to be able to do both. And I understand why people like Scott Pelley feel like they can't do both. I also feel like the gatekeeping from Scott Pelley and Alfonsi and Rita and Leslie Stahl or whomever else is mad about some of this stuff.

1:33:33Emily Jashinsky:It's like you are the last people to have any credibility about what should be happening at this network. So it's that part of it is infuriating. I mean, Scott Pelley is a prig and he's so annoying and he's so elitist. However, it doesn't matter what you and I think about Scott Pelley and his editorial judgment. What matters is inside of CBS. And unless they are prepared to get rid of everyone, except for those three or four people who support Barry, everyone, and I mean on air and off, you know, behind the scenes, tech staff, producing staff for sure, they're going to have to deal with this problem, which is she's not respected.

1:34:12She's loathed. And it's not because of any one thing. It's because she's not of them and she hasn't proven herself. She's not of television. She's been in journalism for about two minutes and not even in broadcast television. So it's just not going to work out. I'm sorry, but that's like, I'm telling you, you cannot stay in a position in any position. I mean, the only reason she's like, they're like golden child. They've decided she's something. That's why they gave her a hundred million dollars for her organization, which was worth one 10th that the free press. Um, but like, like literally it's just their affinity for her as a person that's allowing her to stay in this role because CBS news has reached record low numbers in its morning show and its evening show.

1:34:53And now we're going after 60 minutes, which is the only thing they have left. Okay. So she's not succeeding by any measure. And on top of that, she's loathed. She does not have the support of the troops internally. So good luck with that, Ellis and crew. Okay. In the time we have left, I guess we have to talk about James Tallarico because he is now running for Senate in the state of Texas and he will take on Ken Paxton. And there is a question. There are a lot of questions, a lot of questions about James Tallarico. Does he eat meat or doesn't he? He's tweeted out the picture of him eating like a side of ribs, but he already is on camera saying that he's vegan and that his campaign is vegan.

1:35:35And by the way, he was holding those ribs, like trying to tear on them like a real meat eater, and he was holding them with a napkin. Like he had a little napkin because he didn't want to get his girly little fingers dirty with the sauce on the barbecue. That is not how a real Texas man does it. Okay. So there's that. Now, I think in an effort to like show us that he really is a man, because there's a question, I mean, let's face it. We don't understand what we're dealing with there. He's really focused on the six sexes. And I, one has to wonder whether that that's because he's one of the other four that we don't know about.

1:36:04Emily Jashinsky:Did you see Trump called him transgender over the weekend? Yes. Yes.

1:36:12I'm just going to say the president, he, he, he's not always politically correct, but he does zero in on things. We're all kind of thinking. He just, he's the only one who has the nerve to say it. Um, so it turns out on cue, James Tallarico reveals he has a girlfriend. Okay. He has a girlfriend. Her name is George Glass. No, her name is, what's her name? Hold on. Where is she? She's pretty. She's pretty. Yes. Brianna Menard. And Brianna Menard has, apparently, she met him in 2022. This picture. No, Mangabot. Mangabat. Wait, no, no, no. Menard. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm confusing my two scandals here.

1:36:55So they met in 2022 and she was working on his campaign at the time, Emily. And then I guess she left the campaign and they made it official in 2023, allegedly between them. And it was in 2023 that she dropped, by the way, she's a committed vegan, yoga buff, and cat mom who likes dancing the night away at a local gay bar called Cheer Up Charlie's in Austin. The plot thickens, okay? Cat friendly? Cat friendly gay bar? What's happening? So she in 2023 released the following. Is it a poem? Oh, no. Oh, sorry. It was 2022. So as while she's working for his campaign and maybe the relationship had started.

1:37:48So it's unclear whether it's directly about him. Let's just watch it together because we need to see it.

1:37:53Emily Jashinsky:Let me kiss you endlessly Like the breeze dancing around us In our timeless palace Our sanctuary of you and me Tapping along and I don't want to slow down One, two, one, two, three, four Count me in because I can't stay away I'm fighting tears watching you put the sunset to shame I'm stoned on your smile A butterfly lost in a galaxy of freckles eternally lifted by your chemicals. Is this okay? The wine tastes better on your lips. Hold my hand and tell me your secret. How do you glow in the dark? Let's go play under the moon. She'll keep it to herself while we come alive in her light. It's as if I bottled you up and drank you the way you warm me from the inside.

1:38:44Oh. Oh. Oh. I'm horrified. I don't like it. Oh my gosh, Emily. That's the girlfriend. Let me kiss you endlessly like the breeze dancing around us in our timeless palace. Tapping along. I don't want to slow down. Count me in because I can't stay away. I'm stoned on your smile. a butterfly lost in a galaxy of freckles.

1:39:19Emily Jashinsky:I mean, nobody should be writing that about Brad Pitt, let alone James Tallarico. It's disgusting. We need Joseph Massey for this, but I will say, Megan, I do, after-party listeners know I unfortunately have a minor in creative writing with a concentration in poetry. And I will tell you, as an 18-year-old, I had to sit through a whole lot of classes where people brought poems like this, but actually somehow better than this, and had to read them aloud to the class. And I could tell you, that is like a C in freshman poetry, where I come from. That's not a day. And she published that. She released it.

1:40:00A butterfly lost in a galaxy of freckles. That's how we think of Glenn Greenwald. That is externally lifted by your chemicals. What does that even mean? I don't even understand what that is. Pheromones. Externally lifted by your chemicals. What? How do you glow in the dark? What is she telling us about him? He glows? I'm really curious. I've never seen him at night. So that's, does that convince you that he's more of a manly man?

1:40:26Emily Jashinsky:I mean, come on. The best Paxton nickname for him so far, Paxton needs to work on his delivery, but six gender Jimmy, that's pretty good because he's out right now lying about when he said he believes that there are more than, at least there are six genders, at least. And now he's saying, Of course, there are only two. So we'll see if he can really convince the public that he's not off on weirdo island. If these two wind up together, I'm telling you right now, they're off on the path toward marriage is hard. Being newly married is hard. Being newly married while running for office is really hard.

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1:45:16He's decided that Jon Hamm would be a great person to voice over his, one of the last ads in this campaign as the vote comes down until the final hours. And a simple Google search would have served Tom Steyer very well because Jon Hamm is no one to be associated with your political campaign. I remember seeing him once at the Democratic National Convention. I was there as a reporter and he was there. He's obviously a diehard Democrat. And he is troubled, shall we say, Emily. I'm not going to lie. I loved Mad Men. I liked Jon Hamm in a couple of movies. I have to be honest, it's before I knew what he had done when he was a college fraternity brother.

1:46:05And it's despicable and unforgettable. And I learned it from our pal Maureen Callahan, who, when she launched the nerve, opened with this incredible takedown of Jon Hamm. And I was like, oh, my God, is this true? I mean, for a number of reasons, I wanted to make sure it was true. And it is true, as alleged by the man who says he was victimized by Ham. This is all from official police documents and other documents. I'll actually give you the exact sourcing as we come out of it. Um, but hold on a second. It's PolitiFact actually reported. We identified Travis County records relating to a civil lawsuit brought by this man who says he was victimized by John Hamm.

1:46:48His name is Mark Allen Sanders against the fraternity and several members, including Hamm. There is a transcript of a February 28, 1991 interview of Sanders by Stanley Anderson, an investigator for Travis County. And that's the source for all of this information. And we'll tell you what John Ham says about it as well. But here's a summary by Maureen on what John Ham did at this fraternity where he was a brother and Mark Allen Sanders was pledging. And I mean, I pledged a sorority. I was in Tridel when I was in college and we had minor, minor, I don't even call it hazing, but, you know, pledge-like behavior that we had to do.

1:47:31It was fun. It was in good humor. We all laughed. There was absolutely nothing that came anywhere close to hurting us. And by that point on the campus of Syracuse University, they'd had a couple of scandals involving a couple of fraternity houses. So the fraternities as well were pretty clean in the so-called hazing or the, you know, initiation rituals. But certainly we had moved beyond hurting people, understanding that that's not brotherhood and it's not what a man would do, which is what these guys are at the college level, young men trying to set the example in behavior for others. So shame on you, Jon Hamm.

1:48:11Here's Maureen's recitation of some of the basics. Because this kid, Mark, could not come up with the proper nicknames, he gets mad, meaning Jon Hamm. He marches these two little pledges upstairs where they meet two other frat boys who have a paddle. They begin to beat Mark Sanders. And the victim describes Jon Hamm rearing back and he hits me right over my right kidney. I mean square over it, good solid hit, and that stood me up. So then Jon Hamm and the group lead me downstairs to the quote unquote pit. And Mark is ordered to get in the dirt and begin forcibly doing push-ups. Jon Hamm, according to this transcript, and another frat boy, quote, they were actually pushing my face to get in the dirt.

1:49:04Jon Hamm pulls out a lighter, and I was wearing designer jeans, and I have this loop on the front, and he took the lighter and caught that on fire. I tried to put out the fire immediately. John Hamm knocked my hand away, and I was kind of panicking because I was wearing a cotton t-shirt. He made me blow it out with my mouth. John Hamm takes that hammer claw, hooks it under Mark Sanders' genitals, and drags him around the room for about a solid minute. I mean, absolutely despicable behavior. She also got into this, that Mark Allen Sanders told investigators when he sat down with him weeks later that he had been to the doctor.

1:49:47He had a broken back. His spine was fractured. His doctor told him he may lose his right kidney. He had extreme trauma. He said, quote, my kidney spasms and it bruises itself. and the doctor told him it was from being hit right over it, the kidney. I can remember feeling being hit hard right over this, his kidney. He was also beaten with a broomstick right over my rib cage, he said. Whenever I breathe, my lung actually can't go all the way because it's pinned between my rib cage from, I assume it was beaten down some, beaten into me. He had ligament damage, cartilage damage, artery vein and nerve damage.

1:50:29His rib cage was bruised severely. The other pledge who survived that night said he was afraid to return to Austin. This happened at the University of Texas at Austin at the Sigma Nu fraternity house. And Jon Hamm, when asked about this incident by Esquire in 2018, said, quote, I wouldn't say that it's accurate. Everything about that is sensationalized. I was accused of these things. I don't. It's so hard to get into. I don't want to give it any more breath. It was a bummer of a thing that happened. I was essentially acquitted. I wasn't convicted of anything. I was caught up in a big situation, a stupid kid in a stupid situation, a fucking bummer.

1:51:19I moved on from it. Okay. A fucking bummer is not how you describe breaking someone's back, fracturing their spine, bruising their right kidney to the point where they might have lost it, hurting their lungs, their ligaments, their veins, causing nerve damage. as you did all the things Maureen said, allegedly. And on top of that, one we didn't include in the clip was they allegedly pulled his underwear up from inside of Mark's pants. The more they pulled, the more it would like, they just kept pulling on both sides. They were pulling and then they sawed the underwear like back and forth between his legs, trying to hurt him and it did hurt like over and over.

1:52:08So they hurt his genitals. Jon Hamm tried to light him on fire. Jon Hamm beat him in the kidney with a paddle and allegedly broke his back. And somehow this man has become a Hollywood darling to the point where Tom Steyer, now number two in the race for California governor, thought he would be a great choice to voice over his final ad. it's despicable and says a lot about Tom Steyer, not to mention Jon Hamm. Your thoughts?

1:52:40Emily Jashinsky:I mean, it says a lot about Hollywood, actually, because these are really, really serious allegations. And to get a question about it in Esquire and then be able to coast, I mean, Hamm's not just out there like a Joaquin Phoenix type guy, just trying to be an actor. He's just in it for the art. He's a big brand. He has a lot of business deals that come along with Jon Hamm, Inc. And so, for that to never have affected his career, I mean, there are a lot of crazy fraternity hazing stories. There's a small minority of stories. I mean, people have died in these awful rituals, but there are a small, small minority of stories.

1:53:16Emily Jashinsky:It sounds like this story falls into that small, small minority of stories where you have fraternity brothers who are so drunk, they're big football players, and they become sadistic. And to drag someone around with a hammer claw by their testicles is just, it's not normal behavior. It's not even like, I got caught up in the moment during frat hazing and was so drunk I was blacked out type of behavior. It doesn't even fall into that category. So the fact that he's kind of gotten away with - Somebody on fire. Yeah, right, right. And the fact that he's kind of gotten away with just giving fucking bummer answers to these questions, I actually think that tells us something about, especially by the way, as a kind of far, like, let's just say Tom Steyer is going in the leftist plane.

1:53:58Emily Jashinsky:Like, He wants to be seen as a leftist. And then for leftists who are supposedly caring about women, vulnerable people, and toxic masculinity, to just bring John Hammond to the fold as a surrogate without really ever grappling with that seems a little interesting from my perspective. Because that's a very, I mean, that's not just like, oh, it was in my past. I had one drunk and crazy night. That's pretty serious stuff. That is deadly serious. Here's the ad. Sweet California.

1:54:32Emily Jashinsky:Built by the go-getters, the pioneers, the brave, to make this big, beautiful, crazy place we call home. A home that's become unaffordable for the people who live here and make it run. This election is about change versus more of the same. If you want a governor who can't be bought, who can take on the powerful interests crushing us, if you're ready for change, Tom Steyer for Governor. Let's not forget, Emily, what he said to A.B. Hernandez. It's the governor's job to protect you against all of the malign influences in this world, that I will be your protection between the danger and Californians.

1:55:16You just had one voice your ad. What are you? Tell it to Mark. Right. Tell it to this poor kid, Mark Allen Sanders, now a grown man, who will never get over the scars caused by an incident like that. Absolutely never. I mean, can you imagine? This is so damaging and just destructive to a young man's psyche to have to go through that just to join a fraternity. And then he has to watch as Jon Hamm becomes a big star, a huge celebrity. But at least he's thinking they didn't know. At least he's thinking, OK, all he's doing is acting a role. He's not actually Jon Hamm who's being celebrated until now, where Tom Steyer has taken the actual Jon Hamm to be, in essence, a campaign spokesperson because he's just fine.

1:56:03The big protector of California is just fine with having an abuser, alleged voiceover his last campaign ad to leave that lasting impression with Californians about what a protector Tom Steyer is going to be.

1:56:16Emily Jashinsky:Well, I'm contrasting this in my mind with Mark Wahlberg, who a lot more people are familiar with Mark Wahlberg's. I mean, these are people of similar caliber celebrity. A lot more people are familiar with Mark Wahlberg's past, and he's had to explain it. He's had to deal with it. And you rarely ever, ever hear this Jon Hamm story. Like, despite how serious the allegations are, you rarely ever, ever hear about this. Like, that's the beauty of what Maureen does. She tells these stories because as a market, people know they're not getting what they want to hear from Hollywood, like, industry press.

1:56:44Emily Jashinsky:But that's insane. I mean, just thinking about examples, like, Wahlberg tends to be, I think, seen as somebody who's a little more right. But if, I think if Jon Hamm were somebody who was coming out in support of Steve Hilton or Spencer Pratt, he would be getting destroyed over these allegations, to be honest. Yes, I totally agree with you. It's like Matt Damon almost had his career destroyed because he was accused. Was it forgive me? I forget whether it was Matt or Ben Affleck. One of them like allegedly grabbed a woman's rear end during the Me Too era and it came out and the other one like defended him.

1:57:21But he definitely almost got it was Ben who did it. OK. And Matt just made comments about it, like calm down. And then Matt admitted that he had used the term faggot. He had like discussed at the table with his daughter how the term that term didn't used to be, you know, verboten. And she couldn't believe that he didn't know that, like that there was a time when that term was used. And he almost got canceled over saying that, you know, at one point that term wasn't considered anathema, like you were allowed to say it. So like they're ready to cancel Matt Damon over that word and over defending like a bottom tap.

1:58:02But Jon Hamm can not only be a huge star in all these series and movies and actually do voiceovers for gubernatorial campaigns after breaking a man's back, allegedly, and allegedly trying to set him on fire. Again, he's sort of trying to deny it. It's not the most convincing denial to Esquire. That's just fine. Hollywood doesn't have its values intact and neither do Democrats in California. If they don't start calling Tom Steyer's office and asking him why he chose this alleged abuser to be his campaign voiceover man. That's the lasting impression he wants Californians to be left with. I think it's disgusting, Emily.

1:58:46I'm sorry. I just think of all the people, I'm sure there's other rich California actors who would have been willing to voice a Tom Steyer ad. You didn't have to go to this guy.

1:58:59Emily Jashinsky:I wonder if the Steyer campaign even knows about this, honestly. That's like, it's how little this has been talked about, even right now as he's cutting this ad for Steyer at the last minute. This show is probably one of the only places where this is getting discussed. And again, if he were coming out for Steve Hilton or Spencer Pratt, we know that this story would be huge. It would be weaponized. And I don't think all of our standards are great, but all people are asking for is for us to have the same standards. For Hollywood, if they're going to lecture us and send endorsements to candidates.

1:59:32Emily Jashinsky:All we're asking is that they hold themselves to the same standards if they're going to be so sanctimonious about politics. If they insist on doing that, then they should hold themselves to their own standards. And that's obviously not happening here. Oh, yeah. I mean, like every Trump surrogate when he was running was subjected to media scrutiny where we had to go back through their scandals and ask ourselves whether they really should have been speaking at the Republican National Convention and so on. Like, they all got that treatment. This, I look forward to watching the Hollywood reporters write up of it.

2:00:05The very judgmental Hollywood reporter, unless it's a star they want access to, in which case it's kid gloves. They will get the Rita treatment of Jill Biden on CBS Sunday mornings. So we'll see. We will certainly call the Tom Steyer campaign as we have been trying to get him to come the show to defend his stance on males playing in female sports, but he's too much of a you-know-what to come on here and actually answer tough questions. He is. He's too scared to actually answer, and I would be respectful of Tom Steyer. I would. I wouldn't be an ass. I would ask him tough questions and see if he could defend them, but he is too afraid to do it.

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