Presley Gerber Dead at 27, Plus Nikole Hannah-Jones Admits She Harmed Her Daughter's Education, with Stu Burguiere | Ep. 1402

33:46Ketamine can also be used in these, like a psychedelic would be used, although like Sean Ryan was saying, it's not the best. Like there are other psychedelics that they've shown more success for in treating depression. Benzodiazepines, including Valium and Xanax that he was on that he really didn't want to be on. I mean, it was, his whole life was spent drugged, drugged, drugged, and more drugged.

34:14He would eventually after, So that was the thing about talking about how his life changed dramatically. That was in 2023 when he talked about the rush that he got from being in the water. I think that was the July. It was July a year ago. Then he did the November post that we began the show with. Now, by the time we got to March of 2026, he was struggling again. because he posted something online about Ibogaine. And this is the drug that Joe Rogan worked with Trump to make more accessible, in particular to veterans, because they've had a lot of success turning around depression with our military veterans on it.

35:02And what he posted online was, hold on a second. Yeah, quiet moment before everything changed. I was absolutely terrified, and I knew I would be again if I ever had to face something like this. helps to not go into situations you do that get you there, but that's life sometimes. Not totally understanding either. He writes, my mantras were love yourself and it's gotta be the last time for this reason. Letting go of control didn't come easy, but I trusted there was something bigger than me guiding it. I knew why I was there. I faced what I had been running from and somewhere in all of it, I started finding my way back to myself.

35:39We shall see, praying it's the last time I have to come back. next time I'd like to choose. And absolutely can't forget the incredible caring kind and on their shit team. Helps a lot. Ha ha. And I made some dope ass friends there. And then hashtag Ibogaine rewiring our brains, love yourself, hashtag mental health. So it appears that he went to a Mexican treatment clinic and received a single high dose administration of the naturally occurring psychoactive substance, ibogaine. This is derived from an African shrub and is reported that it helps withdrawal symptoms. The high dose is designed to induce a profound reset.

36:20Again, it's used for depression. He posted a video online of him getting treatment at this facility. Here's what that looked like. There's no sound, but it's a small woman standing in front of him. First, they seem to be praying or meditating, and then she's lighting a bunch of very smoky incense right around his face, ears, head, and so on. And he's kind of standing there receiving her blessings, karma, I don't know. After this happened, every member of his family weighed in online. His dad, Randy Gerber, I'm so proud of you and your courage. facing what's hard takes real strength and watching you find your way back to yourself is everything.

37:06I love you so much. Thank you, pops, and learned it from you. Kaya, that's my brother and I am so damn proud. Presley, love you so much. Cindy Crawford, you are a warrior. Walked through the fire to find yourself. So proud. Presley, love you, mama. Obviously, it didn't work. Kaya Gerber, as I mentioned at the top, was apparently also using some sort of therapeutic modalities is what Vogue reported. Kaya, they write, who has pursued multiple therapeutic modalities and is a champion of psychedelic therapy in particular, is deeply proud of her brother. My parents for most of our lives were very, very private and did not share anything.

37:53And now we have this absolute teacher, my brother, who says, I'm going to be very human for everyone. There's only so much you can hide from the world, she says, and trying to put a lid on something just makes the person feel like you're ashamed of them. So she seems to be revealing something about Presley's feelings about the parents' preference for privacy. She also said that, quote, her older brother Presley Gerber's decade-long struggle with drug addiction appears to have provided a sort of foil as Kaya was discovering who she was. When something like that happens in a family, she said, it kind of levels everyone.

38:26I think that's also why I started to self-identify as the easy one and never wanted to ask for help because it felt like too much to have two children who were needing. And yet what they seem to have is a girl who's two years younger than Presley, now 25, who's been modeling for 12 years, who herself was thrust into the same environments at an even more tender age than her older brother and already has had to result to multiple therapies, not to mention many very public, if you ask me, precocious relationships with men who are older and much more sophisticated than Kyle was at the time she was dating them in a way that I think would make most mothers raise an eyebrow.

39:15It all comes back to the same thing. your child doesn't need to become model of the year she doesn't need to become a singer like northwest on stage at age 13 with multiple piercings and hoping for another one in between the eyes your child doesn't actually need to pay the bills when they're 15 years old and they don't have to actually choose a profession that they can choose once they become an adult. At 18, or God forbid, 21, when heaven forbid they may have lost a few years of income or building a name for themselves. What they actually do need is time with you. That's it. More than anything else, they need time with a loving parent.

40:09And you can be as loving as you want, but if you are flying all over the world, working on your own career, your next billion-dollar deal, it's really tough to put in the time that is needed to raise a well child. It just is. And too many parents forget this. You know, and then on top of it, you create busyness in your adolescence schedule like that, like that level. Dr. Leonard Sachs has come on here. So have other parenting experts talking about it's no excuse to say, oh, he's got, you know, whatever practice. That's why we can't have dinners anymore during the weeknights. Bullshit. Then you eat late.

40:55You eat late. You eat it at eight o 'clock at night. That's what you do. and you make sure that you sit around the family dinner table, if at all possible. You know, there are some families that literally cannot do it because they're working two jobs and the parents are not home. Even those families have to try to find a way, have the meal in between the jobs, do something because you're setting your kids up for failure. They need time with a loving parent, even if you are sitting there on the couch next to each other. You're both reading a book. You're both watching a television program. you're watching a movie, doesn't always have to be interactive, but they do need time with you.

41:32And, you know, the push, and I've seen it too, like the push to make sure your kid is the most popular, you know, doing the most provocative things is not a wise one. Let them be young and relatively sheltered as long as humanly possible. Before you know it, they will be off on their own. They actually will be 18. They'll either go to college or they're onto the work world or they'll just go. Gap year, what have you, and they won't be with you anymore. And then your chance to make that imprint, and more than that, it's not about you imprinting yourself or your values on your child, though it's in part about that, but just the wellness that comes from immersing yourself as much as you possibly can in a loving, supportive environment with people you trust and who trust and love you.

42:22will be gone. You can't get it back once it's gone. Remember when Leonard Sachs came on and he took calls? This is early on in our tenure on the show. He took calls and there was a very sad parent who called in about her daughter who was saying that she was trans. And the daughter, I think, was 19 or 21, right around there. And he said, I'm sorry to tell you that it's too late. I can't help you. It's too late. It was crushing. We were all very sad about the exchange. He wasn't trying to be mean. He was trying to be honest. There's no do-overs. Now's the time. And if you haven't been doing it, it's not too late for you either.

43:06If your kid's still in your home, do it. The modeling career can wait. The music career, all of it can wait. And you know what? Your family dinner can wait if your kid has obligations that keep him or her out of the house during the traditional dinner hour. Hell, the Europeans eat at nine o 'clock every night. We can try that. We can try that system for a time. But do what you have to to get time in with your child. You do not want to get a call like the one the Gerber family got yesterday.

43:41my prayers are with them. I'm very sorry for their loss. And speaking of loss, Patrick Clancy went on 60 Minutes last night with his new wife and had quite a few big reveals about his experience. First of all, we knew that his baby Callan, his eight-month-old, who Lindsay did kill. There was Callan, there was Dawson, who was three, and there was his oldest child, who was five, his daughter. And Callan lived for four days after she strangled him. And he spoke to what happened during that time in the moment Callan actually died, sat seven. So I didn't have all the details of Callan's condition. I just knew that they got a heartbeat back.

44:37So I remember that night, I really thought there was a chance that Callan would live. And I remember just thinking, just give me one. Just give me one kid. And I would raise him as best I could. And I would give him the best life I possibly could. And I'd tell him about his brother and sister. and I was holding out hope for that. And then when I got to the hospital, I saw the doctor, I saw the look on her face and I knew that it wasn't going to be a good prognosis. Callan's heart kept beating for four days. I'm so grateful for those four days that I had with him. And I'm so grateful he hung on.

45:24Did you talk to him? In those four days? Yeah. Can you tell me anything you said? I said, I'm so sorry.

45:36And I got to hold him. I got to lay down next to him.

45:45And he died in my arms. It's so awful. I can't have feeling that it's, I shouldn't be hearing it. I can't help feeling that it is definitely not my business, the last words between a man and his son. I'm not exactly sure what the purpose of going on 60 Minutes was, but it was absolutely heart-wrenching. The people who think Patrick Clancy did it, it's like, again, you guys know how I feel about conspiracy theories. I just don't spend time on them. I wish somebody had told him he didn't need to either. He didn't need to go out there and say he didn't kill his children or show people that he's normal and that he, you know, it's like, I'm not sure.

46:27I'm not sure what this is about. But obviously he had something he wanted to say. And, you know, it's that's that's for him to decide. He was asked about whether he whether Lindsay has asked for his forgiveness. This was very telling. Watch that eight. I saw headlines that said, you know, killer mom and baby murderer monster. and none of them were accurate. I believed that it was her mental illness that caused that. So I shared those words. And I think when it comes to forgiveness, I also felt that if I didn't get there, I would be eaten up inside forever. Did you ask Lindsay why she did it?

47:17I asked her if she remembered it. And what did she say? She said it was like a dream, and she remembered it much in the way you would remember a dream after waking up. Do you feel like you failed in some way in this period, or do you feel like you did the best you could? I think I did the best I could with what I had at the time. And I live with the outcome. I live with it every day. Has she ever asked for your forgiveness?

47:52No, but I gave it to her.

47:56So she's never asked him for forgiveness. How about that? That is stunning to me. I mean, aren't we told that she's like doing better now because she's on the meds? The voices are gone. Why would she not ask for forgiveness? To me, that's evidence of cold-hearted indifference, which is the case that we were making, those of us who supported the murder charges.

48:26That's stunning to me. He's correct, though, that forgiveness is a poison you give to yourself. Sorry. Resentment is a poison you give to yourself and not forgiving hurts you more than it hurts the person who hurt you. So good for him for finding the strength to do that. He did talk about the panic attack he had before they played that terrible 911 call in court. This is moments before he was going to go on the stand and they were going to play it and he knew it would be horrific. Watch. Testifying is very difficult. On the second day, a lot of that was focused on the night of January 24th. We did take a break right before they played the 911 call, which I knew was going to be just horrific.

49:13and I went to a back room and I started having this massive traumatic panic attack. My heart was pounding and they put me in an ambulance. They offered me some medication, but I said, I don't want it because I want to go back and I want to finish this so I can be done with this. I went back and I finished the testimony. I'm sure that took Herculean strength, honestly, but they had to play it. They had to. they had to show the jury how horrific the scene was. It was an element of the first-degree murder charge. Like, they had to do it. I would have done it as a prosecutor, too. The difficulty that that put on him is a possible reason why Tim Cruz, the DA, could yet come out and say, I'm dropping this down to a charge that we can both agree on.

50:10You know, a voluntary manslaughter, A second-degree murder would allow her to go in front of a judge instead of a jury. But that to spare the family, the pain of testifying is often, you know, you see it in child abuse cases all the time, a reason why DAs will lessen the charges. And Patrick Clancy's been through a lot. He's been through a lot, not as much as his children were put through. So he may have to do it again. But, oh, it's just the whole story is so dark. You know, gosh, the first hour has been dark, but hopefully probative of making different choices. Like if your spouse is in a depressive state and says anything about having thoughts of hurting your children, it is a hard no before that spouse can spend any alone time with them.

51:00Any, any. That's what this case shows us. He was asked about that. I'm going to play you that sound bite after the break. And also we met the wife and found out something about their family. When we come back, Stu Bergeer is here. We'll finish up that discussion and talk about the new harassment by Kevin Reddington of the holdout juror, which is just stunning. The ferocity with which he is going after this holdout juror, who again, whose sin was he didn't vote along with the others. This is he's starting a dangerous new precedent. We'll talk about that and we'll do the Nicole Hannah-Jones update.

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53:27Back now with Stu Bergeer. He is the host of Predictable with Stu, which you can find at predictableshow.com, as well as the co-host of Stu and Dave Do America on Blaze TV. Stu, good to see you. Great to see you as well, Megan. Thanks so much for having me. The pleasure is all mine. So we left off in the middle of looking at the 60 Minutes interview with Patrick Clancy, and I didn't get to this soundbite of Patrick and his new wife, Dr. Rachel Dannis, with some news. Saw 10 here. And you guys are starting a family. Yeah. What are you going to tell your child about their brothers and sister? I think every parent can agree you have different relationships with your kids, but they're all your kids.

54:20And I can't wait to tell them about their brothers and sister. Oh, man. That's dark, too. I mean, I know it's supposed to not be dark, but that's dark. So she's expecting a baby right now, which is one of the reveals there. I don't know, Stu. I just feel like, why? Why are they on camera telling this story? I just feel like this is the worst tragedy that could possibly happen to a parent. Who would blame them for staying private, eschewing the national spotlight, going about their business. You know, conspiracy theorists can think whatever the hell they want about them. I mean, they think that I'm Nicole Brown Simpson reincarnated.

55:05There's no talking people out of these beliefs or maybe not reincarnated that I'm on the original her and she was never killed. I don't know what happened to the baby Megan Kelly, who was born in 1970. Whatever. The point is, you just what's the point? I just can't imagine going on 60 Minutes and talking about this with a bunch of strangers or putting the new wife up for examination by a bunch of strangers, which makes her fair game, frankly. You know, what do you make of it? Well, first of all, I know what I'm doing for the rest of the day. I'm going to be Googling Megyn Kelly and Nicole Brown Simpson.

55:40I'm going to... Didn't predict that one, did you? No, I didn't. I didn't. You know, I watched the interview. I found him largely sympathetic, and I guess maybe that's the reason why you do it, but I'm with you, Megan. I don't understand it. I think, you know, I come from a producer background. That's when I started on the Glenn Beck program as a producer for many, many years. And like, there was a lot of times I had conversations with Glenn before we would go on some particular topic and he'd have some take on some controversial thing. And oftentimes it would go to this place where he'd say, well, we have to talk about this.

56:15And I would say, you're going to be surprised to hear this. No, you don't. You actually don't have to talk about it. You don't have to insert yourself into every little battle online. You don't have to have a comment about every little story. You can actually live your life in a different way where every little bit of it is not exposed. Now, look, this is a massive story. Everybody's talking about it. And the part where I did see a little bit of the understanding of him going on and doing a show like this was when they were talking about all the conspiracy theories and craziness that's been spread about this guy in particular.

56:49That's the part I find the least necessary. How many people did he disabuse of their conspiratorial beliefs about him? None. Absolutely none. Not one? No, it never works, right? We used to talk about this all the time when Barack Obama was talking about the birther conspiracy theories. He would come out and say these things all the time. There would never be a birther who would be like, you know what actually he was born in hawaii never and there's never been going to be a person who comes out you know what megan kelly isn't nicole brown simpson those people don't get convinced out of whatever conspiracy theories they have use the phrase i was wrong no never it's not it doesn't matter how much proof is right in front of them it's just not the way conspiracies work it's all about like and it's through no fault of their own there's like it's Just to kind of, and let's face it, a lot of the conspiracies have come true in the COVID years.

57:43So I'm not disparaging them. I'm talking about like the deeply conspiratorial people who just genuinely, like that, you know, immediately they're going to say Patrick Clancy did it. There's something about the mind that says like, I question everything and I know better. I know better. I'm being lied to. And so when like the truth comes and like it's so obvious to the rest of the world, you're like, you don't get it. I'm one of the few who gets it. That's how their mind. a 60 minutes interview is never going to do it. It's not going to do it. I can understand the mode. I can understand why he thought, you know, you think you're going to one of these theories.

58:17It's a big audience. Maybe you can move some people, but it's never, it never, it never ever works. You know, I, I did an interview years ago with a Penn Jillette, a famous magician and famous for many, many things. Very smart guy. And I was talking to him and I said, you know, you're, you're kind of a contrarian on everything. Like, why, why are you like that? He goes, hold on, let me stop you for a second. It's not a contrarian. It's a skeptic. And I thought that was such an important way to think about it. Contrarians constantly take the opposite side of everything. When you're talking to someone who's really involved into deep conspiracy theory, one of the most common phrases they say is something to the effect of, well, that just proves, and then they go back into their conspiracy theory.

58:58It doesn't matter what the evidence is. So if you're one of these people, especially a guy like this, who, yes, he's known because he's been around the trial, and people who are obsessed with the story do know what he looks like and everything else. But one of the things he talked about was wanting to be anonymous, right? Moving to New York City where you can blend in and everybody's, everybody, every other person is on the sidewalk, sobbing brutally about God knows what. It's hard to stand out when you're going through a tough time in New York City. People don't know who you are. You can be swallowed up by that city.

59:30To make that decision, to try to be swallowed up by the city and disappear after the worst thing that's ever going to happen to you, and then come out and do 60 Minutes. I don't think those things work very well together. So I generally watched the interview and felt a little sympathy for him, and it's got to be the most impossible thing in the world to deal with. But at the same time, you know, just going away and living your life and maybe not describing your future family plans to millions of people might be the better way to go. I know. And you're going to talk all about the first three kids to the kids you're going to have with this woman who also wanted her moment in the spotlight.

1:00:10That was weird too. Like, why is she there? Why, why are now we're supposed to be celebrating the new who I got to be honest. She struck me as kind of odd. She was a bit of an odd duck and like her candle lines. It was like, I just don't think he helped himself with like normies. And I don't think he helped himself with people who think he did it. I think he should just look, I, I realize he's a victim too. Definitely. He's a victim, but there are people like me who have, I don't have scorn for him, but I do have real questions about how the hell he left his wife alone with his children after she said she was having thoughts of harming them.

1:00:42So it's like, I don't blame him exactly, but I don't totally exonerate him either. I do feel like... You needed to be more careful. You needed to believe your wife when she was telling you that. You needed to be your children's protector. He knows all of that. He knows he doesn't need Megyn Kelly to tell him. But it's the thing that kind of stops me from being anything other than just fully empathetic toward him. I confess, I have some feelings of like, where were you? Yeah, totally. And, you know, I think the vibe on him after the trial was like, oh, gosh, he's so stoic. And he didn't even show any emotion.

1:01:22And like, I felt like maybe he I could see that. Right. It's really it's tough. I don't know. How do you deal with a situation like this? I don't I don't think I think I'd be heavily medicated. Yeah. Yeah. And probably dealing with it. You know what? How I would deal with a situation like this really poorly, like God only knows what I would do. I don't know. I mean, I hate to say things like this, but like, I don't even know, like myself, if I had to deal with a situation like this, I don't even know if I'd make it to the 60 Minutes interview. I would be catastrophically destroyed. And I'm sure he is.

1:01:54I certainly wouldn't be thinking about like my image in the public eye and how to rehabilitate it. I would never want to have another conversation with anyone who knew who I was again in my life. And that's probably the best side of how I would react to a situation like that. You know, but I think like one of the things, it's been interesting And I'd love to, you know, your journey through this, I'm sure, has been really fascinating as well. But, like, I would talk to a lot of people about this particular case who had more sympathy and understanding for Lindsay Clancy than I would have necessarily thought.

1:02:27And it's because, you know, because I think, you know, particularly women connect to the idea of postpartum depression and the idea of these mental health struggles that were real. She did seem to really try to get help and all of this. And I get that. Of course, they all didn't kill their children. So there's a massive difference between these two stories. But at the end of the day, if your wife comes to you and is admitting that and is seeking help for that type of thing, I can't even imagine my wife saying something like that to me, just saying it once, let alone checking herself into treatment for it.

1:03:05if that happens, there's absolutely not a second that goes by that she's with those kids. You can't, at least for years and years and years and years to the point that maybe to the point that where they could defend themselves, right? Maybe they're adults before that even happens. You can't take a chance like that, right, Megan? Now you're speaking sense. Yes, you are speaking sense. This is how I think most people would see it. And he was asked in this, it wasn't in last night's interview. It was in a 2024 interview he gave to the New Yorker. And he talked about how this is, you know, one of her best days.

1:03:41He talked about on the stand a bit too. This is one of her best days. And that's why he felt comfortable leaving her alone with them. And, you know, he, he, he asked her like, did you plan, did you send me out of the house on purpose? And she said, no, it wasn't that I just snapped, you know, I snapped. And there's a whole show about women and snapping. Usually they kill their husbands, but still she had warned him, you know, on the long list of people who failed Lindsay Clancy, Patrick Clancy appears. There's just that he's on there. He, she said to him, I'm thinking about hurting the kids. And he is the other human being on the face of this earth who shared totally co-equal responsibility for making sure that they were protected as every parent out there knows.

1:04:22And, uh, it, when the danger is the other parent, it's, it is your obligation to step in and protect them. And he just didn't. So I don't, I just, I guess I, I don't know. Sorry, maybe I sound heartless. I just, I'm kind of not interested in listening to Patrick Clancy and the new wife go on about their wonderful next chapter. Like, okay, whatever. Okay, but I am interested in what Kevin Reddington is doing on behalf of Lindsay Clancy. The harassment of the holdout juror, Michael, continues. And not only does it continue, it's amping up. So he filed a document this morning and a reporter for LA Magazine, Lauren Conlon, got it.

1:05:04And it seeks the confidential jurors, sorry, the holdout jurors confidential questionnaire. This is with the court. They're saying, please, we move the court for orders regarding this jury. We want the clerk to preserve the original confidential juror questionnaires. We want the jurors, this particular jurors summons, badge and service records. We want every jury note and the court's written responses. We want courthouse video of the jury room corridor for the following dates, August 27th through September 4th. This is the deliberation period. The impounded juror list and all juror information that the Commonwealth obtained before or during trial.

1:05:46We want the clerk to produce to the court and counsel this jurors, confidential juror questionnaire and any supplement. Also, the that the commissioner of probation produced to the court under seal juror Doe. They're calling him John Doe. Juror Doe's record from the statewide domestic violence registry. This goes back to that alleged domestic violence incident between this holdout juror and his wife six years ago. that the Commonwealth state under seal within seven days what juror information it obtained under its motion for access to prospective juror information before this trial began. So they obviously before while they were picking the jury or thereabouts, the state sought some information on some of the jurors.

1:06:30I don't know what was in there, but the defense is asking to find out. That seems fine. what background checks it ran and produced the results, whether the Plymouth County District Attorney's Office has, or since January 1st, 2021, has had any matter in which juror Doe is a defendant, complainant, or subject. So any of his dealings with the county district attorney's office. And that summons his issue returnable to the court for review in chambers to the carrier serving juror Doe's mobile telephone for call and text detail records sent during the dates of the deliberation between the hours of 8.30 a.m.

1:07:12and 4.30 p.m. on deliberation day and directing juror Doe to deliver the mobile telephone carried into the jury room during that period to a neutral examiner designated by the court and returned within 48 hours. Also, they want the court to examine juror Doe on the record, orally, with counsel present on three subjects. The truthfulness of his questionnaire and voir dire answers. The sworn assurance of September 3rd, in which he said, I can be fair and follow the law. And the use of a mobile telephone or receipt of outside information during jury deliberations. I'm just going to go ahead and say it.

1:07:47This is the hen jurors selling this guy up the river. And not just the hens, that male juror. Because they mention him in particular. as having said something about this guy allegedly using his phone at some point during the deliberations or during while he was in the jury deliberation room. And they're trying to gin up trouble for him, suggesting that he was coordinating with somebody outside of the jury room, etc. Well, who else would use their phone? Are we going to do this for everybody or just the one holdout juror? He's the only one getting a legal colonoscopy, Stu, and it's meant to harass him and to make sure the next jury, should there be one, understands.

1:08:24You vote not guilty by reason of mental defect or you'll get the same as the holdout juror. Yeah, that's exactly what they're trying to do. And Megan, I come from maybe an old school line of thought that if you are a lawyer and you have a client who's admitted to murdering their three children, you pray for a mistrial. Like, that's the thing you're hoping to get to. The fact that there was only one guy here who is actually holding the line on you can't kill your three kids and get off for it is like a massive change, I think, in our entire civilization. I mean, look, I get that there are complications here.

1:09:08And like, I, you know, like you can make an argument, I think that like maybe, you know, there's there's some I lean on your legal analysis here, Megan, far more than I am. I'm no expert on this stuff. But just talking from a regular person perspective, like if someone really did go through this, they really did look for help. They may have had some terrible reaction to some medication. All these arguments that have been brought up. That's OK. Put that to the side. That is different than whether we should separate this person from our society. Like, I have relatives with young children. The person that is capable of strangling their three kids with exercise bans can't be in the same free society as them.

1:09:46That's just not a thing that can happen. It's a no. It's a no. It's a no. Now, should she be in prison for the rest of her life? Should she have the death penalty thrown at her? Should she be a person who is in a high-security mental institution for the rest of her life? There are all sorts of different ways that could go, I suppose. And those details do matter, certainly for her and certainly for our legal system. We should follow the law as it has been designed. But like, what are we talking about here? We're talking about harassing the one guy who said, absolutely not. You can't kill your three kids.

1:10:16That's the guy who gets the harassment. We're upside down as a society. If this guy, who at the very least is making a very understandable argument that this is an unacceptable activity to engage in, that's the guy who's getting all the crap for this? Not not the parents, not not the one woman who did it, not the dad who left in a questionable circumstance. But the guy who said, no, I'm holding the line of murder of children. That's the one we're going to pick apart. It's completely upside down. They will rue the day they allowed this kind of harassment of a holdout juror, because nine times out of 10, as you point out, the holdout juror is the one saying not guilty.

1:11:00And it's the rest of the jury that wants to send somebody to prison potentially for the rest of their lives. And it often involves a black defendant whose life hangs in the balance. And one one juror will say, no, I'm not doing that. And if we're going to give the legal colonoscopy to every holdout juror. Well, he was seen with his cell phone, Your Honor. I saw him in the deliberation room with his cell phone. Maybe he was checking the weather. Maybe he was making sure his new baby, which he has, hadn't been born or was well because she hadn't been that morning. I don't know. But the nerve to jump right to, oh, the black man did something wrong.

1:11:38Honestly, like they are setting a dangerous precedent. Yeah, no, you're totally true. I mean, and the left look, they have. I don't even understand what they're doing. I mean, we saw this in the Me Too era as well, where, you know, all we saw case after case after case after case, where there would be a white college girl who would accuse a random black student of, you know, some sort of activity that was not appreciated or not approved of when it came to their relationship. And we'd see the colleges be like, OK, yeah, they're guilty. We're not even going to give them a chance to defend themselves.

1:12:11Like, how can that possibly be the right thing? That happened over and over and over and over again. Something, by the way, we should appreciate the Trump administration the first time for helping to correct at least a little bit. But still, I mean, this is the type of situation where it's like, it's whatever's in front of them, right? Like this case right now is the black guy's supposed to be the bad guy. And, you know, next time it might be the opposite, but like, this is why you don't, you know, you shouldn't be judging people based on their skin color in the first place. I mean, that revealing clip of Gayle King, who's like, oh my gosh, I have to sit with this for a moment.

1:12:46Like how, what a revealing thing. about the way she thinks about people, right? Like the fact that she couldn't even consider that this person would do this because number one, it was a bad thing to her, convicting a woman of killing her three children. And then number two, that it was a black person who would do it was just a riveting, just, you know, wormhole into her brain to see how she actually thinks about these things that someone with her skin color couldn't possibly have done something wrong. I mean, that's awful. You're supposed to be judging people. The word you're looking for is racist.

1:13:25Yes. Thank you. She's a racist. I mean, that's what that is. Yeah. I can't conceive of the person doing something I find abhorrent having black skin. In my mind, of course, it was a white. That's what she's saying. It's so clearly racist when you say it explicitly, just because she had the pregnant pause of silence around, oh, I need to sit with that for a minute. Doesn't excuse it. It's blatantly racist. She gets away with it. It's because you're allowed to be anti-white. That doesn't cost you anything in today's day and age. But she should feel humiliated. She should actually apologize because it's offensive what she did.

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1:18:13The thing with Nicole Hannah-Jones is it's got everything still. It's got everything. So she comes out with a piece like the mea culpa, right? It's the new New York Times piece in which she takes responsibility. that it's titled, In Fighting for Every Black Child, Did I Betray My Own? Subtitle. A decade ago, I made a decision about my daughter's education that I hoped would challenge New York City's separate and unequal school system. Now 16, she thinks I made the wrong choice. So she talks about how throughout her, she decided to send her to a very shitty public school in Brooklyn. It was entirely black, which is why she did it.

1:18:57She wanted to feel like a good person and not go with one of the better public schools, which God forbid had some whites in it. Um, she goes through how it was bad at every turn. Okay. It was like, she was told, uh, when she went into pre-K, uh, she, she knew it wasn't going to, like, she was told over and over that there were problems. Uh, okay. Like, okay. First of all, she says we felt an obligation based on the collective good and not just our own individual advantage to send their daughter to a poor black school. that we thought sending Naya to a mostly low-income and black school, we could help improve it for all the children there.

1:19:36I knew that PTAs at poor schools often can raise only a few thousand dollars, but my husband Faraji and I could write checks that exceeded the annual PTA budget. Good for you, Nicole. I witnessed how dismissive school officials could be to lower-income parents who lodged complaints or made demands for resources and how deferential they were to wealthy ones. I believe Faraji and I could bring some of that power with us. So they go to PS307. We enrolled her in pre-K at a segregated, high-poverty school across from the Farragut Housing Projects in Brooklyn. Per U.S. News & World Report at this school, 27 % of the students scored at or above the proficient level for math, 17 % at or above the level for reading.

1:20:18Okay, so it's a piss-poor school getting piss-poor results. She couldn't have cared less. The kid's going in there because Nicole Hannah-Jones needs to feel better about herself. She doesn't give a shit even about her own kid. Then it starts already. Okay, she says, even if her schools were not academically the strongest, I explained to her that her father and I knew we could provide for her tutoring and any other assistance to make up for what her school may lack. Oh, okay. So like she's really committed to giving the kid the experience that the black kids have going to the poor, disadvantaged school, except if she happens to stumble and doesn't learn like the other black kids, in which case she'll use her money and privilege to get her the tutoring that no other black kid can get.

1:21:06Nicole, we've lost the thread. We've lost the thread of our virtue signaling. That's not allowed on the virtue signaling rule. She's got to be just like the other black kids. Okay. Um, like this is unfair advantage that you're trying to avoid. Now, uh, she says at first everything was fine. She adored the school, seemed to be reading and doing math on grade level, but this did not, I suppose, could not last. They had a dynamic exceptional principal who retired. The new principal was not up to the task. Nicole Hannah-Jones went to the school. What she saw shocked her. I decided to visit during lunch period.

1:21:38I was shocked by what I saw. Her class and another were sitting at their tables in the cafeteria with no lunch and no adult supervision. Children were running wild, chasing, hitting, pushing each other while the teacher's aides and the cafeteria workers stood by looking bored. Several times I had to instruct children to stop striking each other and to sit down at one point physically pulling two boys apart when i asked one of the aides why the children weren't being supervised she told me the lunch period was short-staffed naya later told me it's always like this that's why i don't want to go here okay so she knew right away stew afterward i sent a lengthy email it took several days before i got a response um my husband and i were frustrated and worried but remained committed By then, all but one of the white children and nearly all the middle class children who had started pre-K with Naya had left.

1:22:26We felt we could not abandon the school. We had to stay and fight for the students who did not have options. Except we weren't going to be buying the tutors for everybody, just for our daughter. Her teachers never looked at her work. By fourth grade, this was the worst year. At the first parent-teacher conference, her teachers told us she was not performing on grade level in any of her academic subjects. That she was not a proficient reader. we were perplexed because she was always a good student and her past reading assessments were always at or above grade level. What followed was a series of emails and phone calls and meetings trying to get basic items like copies of her graded work, her reading assessment, her test results.

1:23:00We received nothing. Then one day in December, she came home and excitedly informed me she had suddenly jumped three grade levels in reading in one month. What became clear to me was that Naya's teacher had most likely never performed the school's mandatory reading assessments for Naya at all, but instead had assumed the flagging competency of these mostly low-income black children. So when she got the word that she was not performing on grade level in any of her subjects, the woman had no idea where her child was. She was just assuming that she was an underperforming black. So she had a racist teacher who looked at her black child in this shitty school and said, you're dumb just like the others.

1:23:39And still she did not pull her. Apparently, Jones also didn't look at her child's work She reports, I started checking Naya's work and discovered most of her answers were wrong. Naya believed herself to be good at math. It was her favorite subject. But now I understood. Basically, she didn't know shit is what she's saying. She could not. She only thought she was correcting all of her problems because her teacher was not checking her work. Similarly, her writing assignments were rife with uncorrected punctuation, capitalization, and grammatical errors. They sobbed about their daughter at this point, Stu sobbed.

1:24:14but they still worried about the others night after that but that night after i tucked her into bed i sat across from faraji in our living room and broke down in sobs should we consider leaving the school yes you fucker leave the school your kid cannot do math and the teacher's not even looking at her tests and they're fighting and there's no food at lunch fucking get her out of there you idiot this is so infuriating okay we felt utterly stuck our child was suffering but they all were they were languishing in classrooms with educators who did not take their academic potential seriously and largely refused to teach whatever should i do what would happen to these children if we abandoned them as everyone else with power had here we were upper middle class, educated, highly involved family with a house brimming with books.

1:25:08Naya's principal and her teachers knew that I worked for the New York Times reporting on school inequality and that Farage served on the PTA and the school leadership team. And yet with all the power and resources at our disposal, we left her elementary school at the end of fifth grade feeling wholly defeated by a system of inequality, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Long story short, we set out to find a different middle school. they chose the same thing. The Urban Assembly Unison School, which 22 % of the students scored at or above the proficient level for math, 27 for reading. Once again, fights in the hallway, less experienced teachers can't manage their classrooms.

1:25:48Nadia Naya had similar complaints. The teacher didn't assign any homework. She wasn't happy. She told her mom, this makes no sense. Putting me in this school did not change a thing. I was not trying to be in this kind of environment. She said, you can pick your own high school. Guess what? She chose one that was heavily white and that screened their students with tests. The very type of public schools, writes Jones, I had spent my career arguing against in a wealthy, gentrified neighborhood, allowing my child to attend a school that was a beneficiary of the very inequality that defined the city's educational landscape across the country.

1:26:25I had lectured about how educational inequality is systemic, but that this fact did not absolve us of our individual choices. And in the end, I could not even sustain the cause within my own family. Then we go on to point out how everybody was racist in the new school because there were so many whites. Allegedly, they made comments that demeaned her child or other black kids. Bullshit. I call bullshit. And now Jones feels overcome with regret. Naya deserved better. They all did. I had not chosen her. The daughter's mad. The daughter feels she still doesn't get how grandly she fucked up. And this was all, Stu, all to make Nicole Hannah-Jones feel like she was a better person than the teachers or than the parents who chose to put their kids in schools that actually teach.

1:27:20Well, all I can say about all of that is how brave of her to write about it. Wow, what a miracle that she had the bravery. That's what she's banking on. Because that's what this is. This is how it's being treated, is that this is a great, wonderful story of her bravery for admitting how terrible she was as a parent trying to put her own sort of ideology and, And honestly, like credibility at, you know, various cocktail parties ahead of her children's, her own child's welfare. Right. Like, that's really what happened here. And like, yeah, look, I'm glad she admitted it. That's a good thing. I'm glad we're talking about that and people can see how bad the situation is.

1:28:04And, you know, at some level, I guess you could say, unlike most of the liberals who say these types of things, I guess you could say she at least believed it for a time. I mean, at least she was authentic at some level and said, OK, I'm going to send my kids to these schools that I'm defending. Unlike most of these people that we hear from politicians constantly who will come out and be against school choice publicly while sending their own kids to private school over and over and over again. So I guess there's I mean, you know, if you're going to be a failure, maybe this is an F plus story rather than an F.

1:28:36It's not an A. It's not an A plus like she's being treated in the media today. I mean, she's being she'd be it's like she won a freaking Oscar for writing, writing this thing. And it's terrible. And also an Oscar for the first writing. Yes. I mean, that's that's what's so galling. The first the first piece that she did all these years ago, you know, taking this position in 2016. That one was titled Choosing a School for My Daughter in a Segregated City. And she got all these plaudits for writing it and doing it. That's why she had no choice but to come out and announce that the daughter had chosen a different route and was pissed.

1:29:14Because back then, Tablet Magazine described it as a deeply personal account and reported she won a$625 ,000 genius grant from the MacArthur Foundation for it. She also won the 2017 Hillman Prize for magazine journalism. Her cover story shows us all that all of us politicians, educators and parents play a role in perpetuating a deeply unjust system. An op ed in Kappen Online, which features articles connecting educational research, practice and policy, called her the Beyonce of education journalism, saying in focusing on her own child's education, she took segregation out of the political arena and brought it into readers homes.

1:29:55then when she writes about this, she tells her daughter, like when the daughter's like, why am I going to this shitty elementary school? She knew even when she was in the single digits, this is a bad school, mom. I shouldn't be here. She said, I was aware, I said I was aware of her school's academic rankings, but that test scores alone do not define a school. Glancing between her and the road, I told her everything that I had said a hundred times on stages, in interviews, in discussions, since I had made her a symbol of how the choices we make can help sustain or dismantle educational inequality.

1:30:31I talked about the deep inequality in New York schools and how like those black families who came before us, we had an obligation to be part of the struggle of our larger community. Now, Naya was asking what I had accomplished by not choosing the best school for her. And the honest answer is, I don't know. I don't know. So my point is simply, she's been dining out on that 2016 article. And all the plaudits she got and awards she got. Beyonce, please, ever since until the daughter rose up and said, F this. I'm getting out of here. And really, it sounds like left her with no choice. And still, she didn't go to some Tony private school.

1:31:17She went to a nicer public school. and Nicole Hannah-Jones was outed as a fraud. I'm sure she was worried she was about to get outed as a fraud. That's, I guarantee you, why she wrote this. This isn't her actually coming to Jesus. This is her daughter browbeating her into submission and her trying to turn it into a triumphant moment for herself. That's a great point. You're the first person I've heard make it because she's trapped, right? She publicly took a massive stance, and now all that has changed. At some point in the pretty near future, there would have been a piece by probably a conservative source outing that this was going on.

1:32:01Someone would have figured it out, and someone would have leaked it, and it would have been a big story. She's getting ahead of the news is what she seems to be doing here. And that's something to necessarily praise. It's it's it's she was she trapped herself with her big mouth is what happened years and years ago. And she had no other choice to reverse herself. And you point out, too, like the the school system in New York is different than everywhere else in the country. Right. Like there is a very like I have friends who live in New York who, you know, especially kids with particular educational needs to get them in the quote unquote right high school is really difficult.

1:32:37It's like it's a lot of work. It's hard. and unless you're going, you're going to spend a fortune on private school, getting them into the right public school is very similar to the type of thing that you, you know, in Texas or Florida or Iowa might go through to get them into the perfect, you know, private school where it's very difficult. There's all sorts of questions. I would wonder almost how she was able to get into it because it's very, very difficult, but someone with that sort of persona probably pulls a lot of weight in those particular arenas, I'd imagine. um you know i read that article and you hit on i think the part that made me like the most depressed about it because you have a mom who's making a decision based on her own her own sort of life right like what what kind of benefits her how does she get a six hundred thousand dollar grant um how does she you know continue this public persona how does she do this and there's that moment where she talks about how her uh her daughter um was failing at math and you know she it was math was her favorite subject and the reason it was her favorite subject is because she believed she was good at it and she was getting good grades because the teachers couldn't care less whether she was doing the math program a problem right or not they were lying to this poor kid like almost like a a parent of a bad singer on american idol telling them hey no you're actually really really good at this and then they got on stage and embarrass themselves.

1:34:05I was like, that's crushing. This poor girl just wanted to be good at math and thought she was. And because of the decision her mom made, put her in this like, you know, spiral really, where now I'm sure these conversations as she's presenting them happened, but God only knows, I'm sure they weren't very pleasant. You know, so now she's hurt her own family. She's hurt her daughter's development, all to stick to this thing that I think most people who say it know is a lie. She apparently didn't, that these schools are good and you could actually get through them. And there's all these inequality problems.

1:34:36Look, there's all sorts of inequality all over the world. I, you know, one of the reasons I show up to work every day, Megan, is to pay for school tuition for my children who go to what I think is a really good school that I think is better than what is around me, which is our very good public schools. And I do that because faith is involved in it. And I think that's a really good thing. And I'm glad we're able to do that. Not everybody can. I'm glad there's school choice programs that are making it accessible for many more people today. Thank God. One of the good things that came out of COVID is that.

1:35:05But one of the reasons I show up to work every day is to make my kids' life better. Not to try to prove my points by ruining their lives. And so this is not someone who should get an award for this. This is something to be seen as a real moment of self-reflection. Hopefully it is for her. I don't know that she's capable of it, frankly, with the other work that she's done. All right, I've got to say this. I don't believe in any of the self-reflective bullshit that she's putting in this piece. I'll tell you what Nicole Hannah-Jones is actually thinking about. This is my opinion. The kid's 16 now.

1:35:41The daughter's 16, and I believe a junior. And when you are a 16-year-old junior, you are starting to think about college. And I will venture a guess, she's not at the top of her class at this new school. and I'll bet she's probably not doing so well on the practice SATs, given the fact that she wasn't learning math for her entire education, thanks to her mother. And I guarantee you, Nicole Hannah-Jones is trying to very publicly grease the path into whatever vaunted university she wants her daughter to go to, because all bets are off when we get there, and just telegraph to everybody these terrible scores and these terrible grades are her mother's fault, not hers.

1:36:27And you should know that part of her story is she too is full of virtue. She went to these schools because we were trying to improve them. So those Ds she's getting at the tougher school are really ethical A's. And that's how you should be looking at knowledge transcript. I'm telling you, Nicole Hannah-Jones is a bad person. She's a total liar. Read her piece about Charlie Kirk. It's a disgusting, filthy, defamatory smear. She smeared him in his grave. She didn't give a shit what that would do to his legacy, his children, his wife. She enjoys heaping pain on white people who are conservative. She's a bad person.

1:37:13So I don't believe this. For one second, she's had a come to Jesus moment. She's greasing the wheels for her now uneducated daughter to sail right into whatever university of choice she and the husband went to. That's what she's doing. And you know what? The sad part about all this, Megan, is you know who's going to buy that argument? 98 % of universities around the country. She will get into any school that she wants. I mean, she will get into any school that she wants. It will work like an absolute charm. You know why? It's similar to what you were saying about the juror earlier. they're all going to be terrified to reject this kid they if it god forbid you do you say you know what your 18 score on the psats isn't high enough to get into our university uh you know like what's going to happen they're going to be in the new york times they're all going to be they're going to their university is going to get trashed if they say no to her every single university in america with the very few exceptions i could probably name off the top of my head are going to say, of course, come in.

1:38:17Absolutely. And you know what? Whether she's smart or not, she'll get good grades in the school too. It's a terrible, I mean, like it's everything that they complained about with that actress who said, I can't remember her name. You probably know it, but the actress that sent her kid to the school and, you know, was Lori Loughlin. She got bashed for that. What's the difference? What's the difference? At least she cared about her daughter's education. At least she cared about her going to a good school instead of a bad one. I mean, gosh, we get so fired up about this stuff. I can't believe we all know how this plays out.

1:38:47And I think you're totally right. She knows how it plays out, too. And she's playing the right side of it, at least right now for her. The only justice that could possibly emerge from this is if the daughter registers Republican, declares herself a conservative and says she wants to go to Liberty University. I mean, if there's any justice in the world, that's what will happen next, that the daughter having been firsthand as an obviously bright kid stuffed into a shitty school and pushed to accomplish nothing by a woke virtue signaling mother who we all know is a nightmare revolts against this whole system of identity politics.

1:39:29And no one gives a shit about individualism. And it's all about allegedly the collective good, even though they can't change the collective good group at a time. It has to be done on an individual basis by demanding excellence. And she's not at a place that demanded that of anybody. And the irony is neither did Nicole Hannah-Jones. You know, you actually could be. If you want to go Tiger Mom and be that person who's like all over your kids' stuff, you can do it. But I got newsflash. The very groups that aren't getting into these universities now, the Asians, those are the ones who actually will go Tiger.

1:40:02They will make sure those kids are getting A's. Like my friend Amy Chua says, if an Asian kid ever came home with a B in math, well, that would never happen. That's what she says. But I was just saying, so she threw her to the wolves and then said, go ahead and devour her. She didn't check the homework. She didn't make sure she could read. She didn't take a look at the assignments. And at every turn, when the child complained, she went in, she saw more problems, and then left her there. Yeah, you know, it's so funny. I thought of that too as I was reading it. Like, I don't think that could happen to my kids.

1:40:38I don't think it could happen. And I'm not saying this is a point of inequality. I'm saying the points that, like, I see their homework. Like, I would realize they weren't good at math before the school had to tell me or the tests had to tell me later on in their years. Like, you'd look at it. You'd see. Wait a minute. No, wait a minute. How did you get an A on this? These are all wrong. Like, I would have noticed through this period. And look, I'm sure she's really busy, you know, doing her$50 ,000 an hour speeches, right? And I get it, you know, because capitalism's evil, you know, of course.

1:41:12You know, you got to show up for those$50 ,000 speeches. But like any normal, I think, parent, right? Any normal parent would notice when their kid thought that they were proficient and it was their best topic. And in reality, all of the questions were wrong. Now, she did say she asked for these graded papers and they weren't giving them to them. But like, I don't know my experience with my children and every other school. Right. Yeah. And then she stayed anyway. She stayed. Stayed anyway to prove her little point. Right. To prove her little point. You know, it's like it's like some parent being like, you know what?

1:41:41I believe smoking does not does not cause lung cancer. So I'm having my kids smoke over and over and over again. And no matter how much evidence you get that smoking causes lung cancer, you just keep popping the Marlboros in her mouth. Like, this is ridiculous. And you're doing it for your own benefit, which makes it worse. And then the nerve to play the racism card. She finally transfers to a good school. And in the pages of The New York Times, Nicole Hannah-Jones has to dump on the school by calling them a bunch of racists who allegedly referred to something about her daughter as ghetto. Which, by the way, can be said about anybody.

1:42:21You know what I mean? Like, I've got certain earrings that people call ghetto. Whatever. Um, it, of course, she's got to go the racist thing, right? Like when it didn't work out perfectly, uh, and, and all white schools that are public in New York, the presumption is that they're racist. It's the same thing we saw with Sunny Hostin last week when we were making fun of her because she's written these absolutely terrible romance novels still. And she was on the view complaining that not one has gotten made into a movie. And she said, it's because the publishing or because of the Hollywood industry is racist, that they are bigoted against black and brown stories.

1:43:02Sure, sure. She's got to play that card, right? Her son went to Harvard, but like the whole system, right? Education, in her case is Hollywood, racist. It's like whenever these privileged black women don't get exactly their way, they've got to play the card. Just so, I guess, people know there's still a card-carrying member of the woke left who doesn't like whites. It's just so cynical. Yeah, I think what you're trying to say is Nicole Hannah-Jones' bravery is really on display for writing this piece, and you're giving her all sorts of plaudits for that. I see what you're saying, Megan. I see what you're saying.

1:43:40Unbelievable. Sure, she'll be on the MK show soon, soon to do a first-person account. But hats off to the daughter. I will say that. Stu, thank you. A great time. Great to see you. Thanks so much. Tomorrow we are back. We will give you the full rundown that the Earl has been up to over in the UK, along with our pals from Ruthless. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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