Remembering Charlie Kirk, with Tucker Carlson, Donald Trump Jr., and Benny Johnson, and What We Know About the Assassin | Ep 1146

28:14I was doing TV. He wasn't he wasn't really even yet a presence, you know, in sort of that that digital media. He obviously had a social following, but was just starting. I remember, you know, screaming at some of your colleagues on Fox News back in that year, be like, put this kid on. I'm telling you, he's really good. I had that conversation with Sean. I think the first time I was like, he's like, what? I can't, I'm not putting on a kid. Like, what do you, I'm like, just trust me, please, for the love of God, put him on. And he did. And, and, and that was it. He just, you know, went like a rocket ship from there.

28:43And I have this picture. He was just, he was literally sitting on my desktop with access to my Twitter account, just putting out just the tweets, you know, mobilizing people here, whatever message was going to work in whatever place was coming, literally as the time zones were shutting down, because, you know, the polls closed on the East Coast at whatever it was, seven o 'clock. Well, now we're switching to central time zone and I'm getting on radio and I think I did 100 something radio interviews that day. So he was manning the social feed and it was just, you could see just the willingness to just step into any role, any position, anywhere that he could move a needle.

29:13He just jumped in wholeheartedly. it. He was doing it this election, too, saying, I don't like what I'm seeing in Michigan. Or he would pick the state and send out tweets and we would all amplify them, letting people know, you need to get out. This one's tight. Don't take anything for granted. He fought to the last minute and obviously had great results in 24. Don, it was 14 months ago that we were talking about the attempted assassination of your father by a shooter who got on a rooftop in a place he never should have been allowed to take a shot that was fatal for one man in the audience and was almost fatal for your dad.

29:51What do you make of the fact that Charlie, who was as cognizant as any of us of the dangers of that day and how close your dad came to being killed in that way, wound up dying in the exact same way by a different assassin's bullet? it's it's just sick i mean you know and charlie knew the threat i mean i i know you i'm sure deal with it i know i've dealt with it and i've uh had you know i think it was you know in the first term i was number two most threatened person you know by according to the secret service in government you know we deal with these things every day charlie was well aware but that was never going to stop him uh and i think his faith i mean he was a true believer he you know he believed he was being you know handled by god to do what was right for our country and there was nothing that was going to stop him i mean you know he had a security detail but there's there's only so much you can do i guess they they almost you know they almost killed uh the presumptive nominee of the republican party during a presidential uh you know election uh and allowed that to happen so you you can take a lot of precaution but you you can't you can't do everything and i think this this shows us You know, no one's there to protect you.

31:03No one's no one's going to save you. You a big part of the whole conservative ethos. And certainly, Charlie, that individualism, you have to learn how to take care of yourself. You have to be able to do that. And I think his faith got him through that each and every day because he understood the threat. He knew it. One of the last events I did with Charlie before the election, you know, we were we were in Arizona, which again I think him and his team at Turning Point single-handedly won for us. We were doing events all over the place and we got a deranged letter about a threat to me at some event that we were doing.

31:40It was going to be basically a BYOB. It was bring your own ballot, not booze, although I imagine there was probably some drinking because it was a college campus event. And I was like, we're going anyway. And it turns out at the last minute, I guess they They caught the guy before the event, but these things were a regular occurrence. These kinds of threats where they're literally threatening our lives or anyone that's effective. They've shown that. This isn't the bullshit that I see. Oh, well, it's violence from both sides. No, it's not. It's not violence from both sides, Megan. It's violence coming from the left, created by the left.

32:15When you call someone a Nazi, when you call them a fascist, when you call them a dictator, And you say they're the greatest threat to democracy. You know, every one of us has been the greatest threat to democracy, depending on, you know, if they're leading the news cycle that day. You know, each and every day they enabled this. They created it. It's not both ways. It's one way. And if it's not them calling us those things, it's their silence. Like we saw from that just young Ukrainian woman just stabbed for no reason on the bus in the Carolinas two weeks ago. absolute silence about it because it didn't go for the narrative.

32:53You know, rather than talking about a 14-time repeat offender who literally slit someone's throat on a bus, sitting there on her phone, minding her business, you know, guys like Charlie, you, you know, myself, you know, we talk about these things. We bring it up. And that puts us in their crosshairs, quite literally. You know, I love your opening monologue about, you know, sort of the transgender bullshit. You know, I've been talking about it for a long time, And that's where those threats are coming from. And you're 100 percent right, Megan. Think about per capita. I can't name, including probably like Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, a group that is more violent per capita than the radical trans movement.

33:35I mean, when you think of mass killings, when you think of this, each and every one. And I'm sure there's plenty that we don't even know about because they wouldn't release the manifesto like they didn't in Wisconsin or Nashville. Because you're not allowed to talk about the truth, you know, because I mean, I'm sure it's totally normal. I'm sure people are totally sane after jacking themselves up on hormones given to them by some rainbow haired freak doctor because, you know, they think men can somehow magically become women. You know, I'm sure it has nothing to do with that, Megan. It can't possibly write that that wouldn't be convenient.

34:06It wouldn't be nice. But the reality is, you know, we've shown we've seen they're not willing to be nice. Again, the violence is only going one way. You know, Charlie, again, probably the kindest soul I know in politics, the least radicalized. He was just, again, effective because he was able to use his words so well. But to the left, words are violence, as we've heard so many times, because it doesn't suit their agenda, which I don't know what it is, actually. I mean, the irony of this is, you know, you hear the stuff that they're saying and it's like people are they're actually insane. It's not like there's moderate Democrats anymore.

34:46I'm sure there are in middle America, some moderate Democrats, but they certainly have no representation in Congress or the Senate because, you know, you need the crazy California or New York money to fund those things. And therefore, they never actually get there. So I believe there's moderate Democrat voters. I don't believe there's any moderate Democrats anymore. And, you know, frankly, that's evidenced by some of the craziness and the insanity that we saw coming out of MSDNC yesterday and CNN and blaming Charlie. He's to blame for this. He has to blame for this. It is it is truly sick. And it's everywhere.

35:18It's it's still going. I have no tolerance for what's happening on Blue Sky with these lunatics. I am going to play one thought for you. It's of Jen Psaki having a conversation with Senator Mark Kelly. Here's just a bit. But he put out a four minute video and I'm not going to play the video. I don't want to play the video. But there was a line at the end that that I think is I just wanted to raise and read at the end of this four minute video. He says, for years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's most worst mass murders and criminals.

35:51This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today. And it must stop right now. And obviously, there's a lot of rhetoric that is problematic. A lot of it is coming from one particular side and from one particular building. But what can be done? I fear when this is an escalation already in less than 24 hours of this shooting. Yeah, I think historically, presidents have looked for opportunities to bring people together. You know, right now we need a president that will bring the country together and not try to further divide us. It's unbelievable, Don.

36:30I mean, it's mind blowing. I mean, that they can say that with a straight face after vilifying everyone, after Jen Psaki, who I believe was press secretary still, when Joe Biden got before that demonic red platform and vilified over 50 percent of the country. you know these same people spewing the idea that you know white men are the greatest domestic terror threat it's like I don't know guys like I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you know it's the radical trans that have killed it feels like they've done practically every mass shooting in America for the last few years but we're not allowed to talk about it you know the it's those responses that are so tone deaf that are so sick that you realized the debate with the left is over.

37:17They've lost the debate. They're not even trying to debate anymore. So they have to basically resort to violence. That's all they have left to get what they want. And they've historically shown that. I mean, I've always said, I've been saying it forever, you know, we need, you know, and this is not an encouragement of violence, but we've been playing two different games. They have been playing hardball forever while we sit back and we play t-ball, you know, And even so many of the Republicans on the right, you saw sort of Rand Pauls, who I like and agree with a lot of what he says. But when he was talking about, well, maybe we should have let those drug dealers on the high speed cigarette boat come into America and forgive them.

37:58I was like, no, no, no. These people, fentanyl kills 100 ,000 Americans a year. They're coming to kill our young people. They're coming from the government regime that does this. We have the intelligence. You know, maybe if they come to America and we let them sell a little bit of their goods, maybe, Megan, they'll come around and see it our way. You know, was it was a Jen Psaki or the other press secretary? You know, no, no, no. Trendelaragua only took over a few buildings in Aurora, Colorado and Austin. It's only a few buildings. Just let them have the buildings. These people are nuts, Megan.

38:29They're imbecile. They're not serious people. What is it? What is that leads me to this question? What's next? because there's a lot of talk about is now a moment to reach out, have a kumbaya moment with the other side, lower the temperature, is now a moment to step over the other side and forge forward without them. You say we're winning. Just complete the victory without them. I'd love to do the former. But who is better at that or kinder in doing that than Charlie Kirk? And they killed him. I don't think it's possible. Again, you know, you see it, you know, the amount of normal people who aren't even political, who have they've hit a breaking point.

39:24You know, they're not having these conversations on Twitter, I'm sure. They are sick of this crap. You know, when my 12-year-old calls me, they killed Charlie. He's 12 years old. He found out before I could even call them and give them a heads up because they're seeing these things. My 16-year-old, my 18-year-old, all reaching out. And they're like, hey, we are so sick of this stuff. Now, maybe it's a little bit more personal to them because they know him. They knew Charlie. And they went through it twice with my father. I mean, I've had to, like I said earlier, I've had to deliver, you know, sort of hard, hard news to kids and try to explain stuff you should not have to explain to any kid three times now over the last, you know, 14 months.

40:09That's not acceptable. And again, you see what they're saying. And I'm not just talking about blue sky. And, you know, I mean, that's truly deranged. But these are the people who were in the Biden White House on TV saying these things. You saw the guy that got fired. Luckily, he got fired. I'm actually shocked. Matthew Dowd. Yeah, Matthew Dowd. They'll bring him back in three weeks, probably. But, you know, they have to do the obligatory thing because even even the sickos there were like, OK, that's probably a little step too far. I mean, they're saying these things on regular television. So I would love for there to go back.

40:42But I think what we have to do is we have to plow forward with our ideas, reaching out to those who are not indoctrinated, who haven't been infected with the woke mind virus. Get those people. Let them watch it. I saw people saying, take down the video of what happened to Charlie. Trust me, someone who spoke to him every day for a decade. It was brutal to watch, but I think we have to watch it. I think we have to understand what they're capable of doing and what they will gladly do. It's not just Charlie. They'd go after anyone. They just don't know your name maybe. They don't know you, so they don't know where to attack.

41:24But you think that if they'll try to take out a sitting president of the United States, if they'll try to successfully take out Charlie Kirk, if they'll stab people on buses for no reason, you think they're not coming for you eventually? It's a truly scary thought, and we have to start thinking that way. Don, he said the following about why he goes out there and why he approaches the Turning Point events the way he did. Here it is in Sat 9. My name is Charlie Kirk and I love America. Because I love talking with people I disagree with. Started an organization that's now on a thousand plus campuses to save the greatest culture and country ever to exist.

42:11Well, considering I've been assaulted, followed, stalked and had things thrown at me, the greatest protection I have is cameras. We record all of it so that we put on the Internet so people can see these ideas collide. when people stop talking that's when you get violence that's when civil war hangs because you start to think the other side is so evil and they lose their humanity marriages break apart when you stop talking churches fall apart and i think what makes this country on the verge of going to a place we don't want it to go right now is we're afraid to go to places like this and have these conversations i'm not the cameras are what protect us where people can see ideas collide and it it did have me wondering would charlie want that video out there would charlie want to see what they resorted to to stop his ideas?

42:58I don't know. I don't know. But I think so, because I think he'd want people to understand. The problem is you'd love to be able to shield it from his incredible young kids and his wife. But some guys clipped it, and I'm sure they're playing it with glee over on Blue Sky over and over again. I don't even want to see those machinations. But again, I think we have to understand where we are, that you could take a 31-year-old who is, again, one of the kindest people I've ever met that just has conversations with people, a father of two young, incredible children who's out there every day trying to have a conversation and they would assassinate him in cold blood in front of thousands while he's simply trying to have a conversation tells you everything you need to know about the left.

43:53And so, you know, it's brutal. I certainly don't want my kids seeing it, but I do think adults may have to just understand the level of where we are at and really where the left is at. They have to understand that so that they can react accordingly, so they can take care of themselves, so that they can stay engaged. So they don't just show up to vote because Trump happens to be at the top of the ballot. And, you know, he's our guy. Now, we have to have representation from top to bottom, from the president down to the dog catcher. I truly hope that this instance, and I think Charlie would as well, that this just red pills even further the entire youth demographic of people who'd otherwise, you know, perhaps be indifferent or apathetic to our election process and just understand where we are.

44:48right, that, you know, and no pun intended, but I mean, I think we really are at a turning point. I think we can harness that and we can make sure that Charlie's legacy lives on by, again, continuing this dialogue. There's no one that can replace Charlie, I don't think. We have to do that collectively. We have to all be willing to be unafraid, outspoken. We cannot let them silence us. That's why they do this. If they don't like what you're saying, whether it was my father, whether it was Charlie, whether it was threats to the Supreme Court justices, if they don't like what they're getting, that's where they resort.

45:24We have to band together. We have to be so unified that that radical faction can't possibly continue to win elections. And I think if we do that, that would be an incredible thing for Charlie's legacy. And I think he'd be very proud of it. Yeah, I completely agree. I wonder what is going to happen at Turning Point. You're right. you can't replace Charlie Kirk. It was a big it is a big and important organization. Like what what's what should happen? What like is there anyone who could step in? It will be a collective save by the rest of us. Like what what do you see happening there? Listen, there is some great talent.

46:03Again, I think Charlie is a unique individual. But, you know, if you would have asked in, you know, in 16, if you know, after Trump, who was there? There was no bench. It took it took the hardship of the Biden administration. It took those four years for America to realize how fragile our democracy is, how fragile our economy is, how the incompetence of the left, it can really affect your life. It took that for people to actually truly understand and appreciate Trump. So, you know, I hope from this tragedy we understand all that is at stake, that we all step up. But I think you're right. I think it's I think it's a collective for now until someone steps up.

46:41I know, you know, I probably spoken at every major turning a point event for the last decade. I will continue to do so. I hope people like yourself. I've seen you there. I hope we all stay engaged. And, you know, maybe there comes another light like Charlie that can that can take the helm and do all of that. But in the meantime, I think for the first time ever, we as a party, we do have a great bench of talent who aren't just mainstream folks. There are guys that will do this, that have followings, that are, again, unafraid, who are willing to do that, who can articulate those things. And I think if we all band together, you know, none of the infighting.

47:19I guess we'll probably always have some infighting with sort of the Washington establishment who wants to go back to the good old ways because there's no consequence to them. But if the whole entirety of the America First MAGA movement bands together, you know, and does this, I think we have an incredible future. And I think Charlie was one of the great people who truly created and paved that path for us. Yeah, he led by example. It's quarter to one Thursday afternoon. And as of this hour, we still haven't caught his killer. You saw the update at the top of the show. The FBI put out a picture.

47:52What do you believe, Don? Do you think we're going to get this guy? I sure hope so. You know, if you've gone through sort of what I've gone through, Megan, over the last, you know, again, eight, nine years between, you know, Russia, Russia, Russia, the assassination attempts on my father, the this. I just I wish I had more faith in our institutions. And it's why, again, we have to be so involved so that we can actually decide the people who put this in. You can't just elect the president and walk away. You need all of those other steps because there's a whole bureaucracy that needs to be replaced.

48:24And there's a lot of other people that have to go into those things. So, you know, I certainly I certainly hope so. I do believe so many of the people in American law enforcement, they're they're on our side. The door kickers, those guys, they're doing it. You know, they're going to do whatever it takes. But unfortunately for me right now, it is difficult to not be a cynic, given everything I've seen and experienced. I sort of always use the example of Russia, Russia with me when they started. that I was like, I was the number two target of this whole hoax. And even me at the time as a target that they want to jail for life or the death penalty, as Adam Schiff had said, it's like, well, there has to be something here, guys.

49:02You know, the FBI said it, like I took a thousand selfies yesterday. You know, maybe someone was in the room that was from Russia. Like, I don't even, like I wanted to legitimately believe. And so, you know, I come at this as a cynic from experience, But I do think the team, as led by Cash and Dan Bongino, I mean, these people do – they are believers. I know there's incredible people on the ground. So I truly hope they do. I really want to believe. But until it happens, I'm just going to pray. It's the anniversary of 9-11. After 9-11 happened – I know you guys are New Yorkers. we, one of the things we did was we bought stock to send a message to the terrorists that they weren't going to change anything about America for the worse, that they hadn't shut us down, that we were still going to do all the things they hated about us.

49:52And here we are again, right on, on 9-11. And I wonder if there's anything you think we can or should do right now to send a similar message to the people who are taking out our people, to the, to the assassins who are trying to take out our people in what your dad accurately called last night, terrorism. Yeah, again, I think it's band together, be unafraid, speak your mind, and don't ever stop. I mean, that's what Charlie, he opened the door for us to do that. He showed so many people the way to actually do that. And I think we can do that. And with that, I think we can win. After 9-11, obviously as a New Yorker and with friends there, You know, obviously, Howard Lutnick lost his entire office, our commerce secretary, the dear friend for decades.

50:41You know, we were there when it happened. This this tragedy is just so terrible. This the greatest terror attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor, probably by numbers ever. And yet in New York, this rough and tumble city, you know, the months, even the even the years following. I mean, there was a different mindset. People were kinder to each other. They were friendly. It was like I got back to New York, you know, basically right out of college. I was like, what's going on here? I mean, it was a different vibe. Now, again, some of that got more radicalized. It's a little scary to think of what's going on in New York with this coming election.

51:17But I but I think you can turn that tragedy and try to get something positive for our country. I think that's what Charlie would have wanted. I know that's what he was fighting for each and every day. And again, I think if we do that, we can preserve that legacy and make sure that it never dies. Donald Trump Jr., God bless you, your dad, your entire family. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much, Megan. I really appreciate it. Wow. We're very lucky to have him. Very lucky to have the Trump family willing to serve, notwithstanding the enormous risks to all of them, too, and to those who support them and have stood side by side with them, like Charlie.

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54:17A couple of headlines for you now before we get to our next guest. The FBI just announcing that it is offering a reward of up to$100 ,000 now for information leading to the identification and arrest of the individual parentheses S. They don't know how many are responsible. Responsible for the murder of Charlie Kirk on September 10th, 2025. Quoting here at Utah Valley University in Orem, Utah. contact the FBI at 1-800-CALL-FBI, 1-800-CALL-FBI. And they're asking for people to submit photos and video if they have, like that's for you Utah students who are out there at fbi.gov forward slash Utah Valley.

55:02I'm just trying to get the exact, I'm just clicking on the link here so and get you the exact full. I don't see it. I'll get you. I don't know. We'll put it. We'll put it. But in any event, they want you to call them at 1-800-CALL-FBI. That's the FBI with a$100 ,000 reward now for information leading to the identification and arrest of the individuals responsible for Charlie's murder. They're also revealing a picture now of the actual murder weapon recovered from the woods on the trail that they believe the killer took when leaving the campus. It is a bolt-action rifle that was recovered near the scene.

55:44The picture was obtained here by the New York Post. A bolt-action rifle, we're told, fires off one bullet at a time. You can pull back the bolt to load the bullet into the chamber. They are used very often by hunters. And that seems indeed appropriate, because it's exactly what was done to our friend Charlie yesterday. He was hunted. by an assassin with his four bullets in the chamber, and it only took one to take out one of the most important voices in America. The videos of Charlie's murder are so disturbing and incredibly jarring. I mean, I told you yesterday when we did our live coverage, I really do wish I hadn't seen the one of the up-close, the up-close video.

56:27I am, I just, it was the first thing I thought about when I woke up this morning. It was the last thing I thought about last night when I went to sleep. Unfortunately, my son saw it because he's a teenage boy and they all look up to Charlie and it was big news that he had been shot and killed and teenagers sometimes forward those things around. And my son, who's normally very stoic, you could see he was jarred by it. Everyone's jarred by it, by his death, by the violence of it, the destruction of a human body in such a violent way and it belonging to such an important human soul in this case. There are reports that Charlie was wearing a bulletproof vest underneath the shirt.

57:10It appeared that way to me as well. And some have speculated that the bullet hit the vest and ricocheted into Charlie's neck. But however, the specifics of it went down, and I'm sure we'll have a full forensic accounting. It was an effective shot. Obviously, the assassin had been training for this moment to take this one shot and have it work from 200 yards away. Right now, one other piece of news, the State Department just putting out, oh, before I get to that, here's the site. If you have pictures of YouTube, it's fbi.gov forward slash Utah Valley shooting, fbi.gov forward slash Utah Valley shooting, or just call the FBI, 1-800-CALL-FBI.

57:53The State Department putting out the following moments ago. This is from the Deputy Secretary of State. In light of yesterday's horrific assassination of a leading political figure, I want to underscore that foreigners who glorify violence and hatred are not welcome visitors to our country. I've been disgusted to see some on social media praising, rationalizing, or making light of the event and have directed our consular officials to undertake appropriate action. Good for him. Please feel free to bring such comments by foreigners to my attention so that the State Department can protect the American people.

58:27That's great. That's beautiful. They're guests in our home. Get the fuck out if you're going to celebrate the murder of one of our most beloved citizens. You're not allowed to stay here. You have no right to be here. We just now finally have a State Department that recognizes that and will do what it can to protect us. I've done so many turning point events with Charlie, you know, both with him and for him and, you know, on his campus and otherwise. And one of the people you always see when you go to a turning point event is Benny Johnson. He was on the show recently. We were talking about his expose, you may recall, on Jasmine Crockett, you know, woman of the people and, you know, real soul sister of the working class, all a bunch of bullshit exposed by Benny and his trip to her hometown, just like he did for AOC.

59:17He's an intrepid reporter. He was a dear friend of Charlie's. Benny had gotten in some sort of social media trouble, some ridiculous thing. And I asked Charlie about it on the show last time he was on. And he started by saying, Benny's a dear friend and I will never say anything bad about Benny. So obviously, he not only cared about him, he cared about protecting him and not jumping in on any storms that would lead people to dislike him, that would besmirch him because Charlie had been the victim of it himself so many times. Benny's my guest now. Benny, thank you so much for being here. I know it's a hard day for you.

59:55Let me just get your reaction now, less than 24 hours after the news.

1:00:02Well, Megan, I have not slept and I stayed up into the small hours of the morning pondering Charlie and what he would want next. And I have two thoughts on that. They begin like this. One, Charlie died as he lived, sharing salt and light in the darkest corners of our country and in our culture. And it is a culture that has been overcome by darkness and Charlie was a beacon of light. Charlie would want us to carry that beacon forward. Charlie was cut down in the moments his last words were decrying violence and radicalization of the political left.

1:01:06What do we do next?

1:01:12One, we make Charlie a martyr. Charlie is a martyr for America. He's a martyr for free speech. He is a martyr for peaceful disagreement. He is a martyr for Christendom. And then two, we remember his life. I got to witness up close, Megan, Charlie's miraculous life, and there's no other way to describe it other than prophetic. Charlie Kirk had a calling on him from a very young age. and as I watched him grow and as I watched him mature and as I watched him gain exponential influence on our culture and on our land and be able to call up President Trump who viewed Charlie Kirk as a son, as a child, as someone so close to him, I knew that he would become a target.

1:02:13And I believe Charlie knew this as well.

1:02:19And Charlie got struck down by an assassin's bullet because of his power and because of his influence and because of something that we all well knew, those who were close to him, which is that Charlie Kirk would become the president of the United States one day in his life. Yeah. They sought to cut that life short. And so what must we do now? We must rise up with full hearts and remember who Charlie was and what he stood for. Light in the darkness, truth in the face of evil, fearlessness, and most importantly, and as Charlie has said again and again and again, a desire to evangelize his faith in Christ Jesus, our Lord, to a lost world that so desperately needs it.

1:03:26And with the last note of his life, stating that he wants peace and salvation for this country. Charlie Kirk is an American martyr, a Christian soldier dying with honor and grace and delivered up to his Lord and Savior, Megan. And his legacy then passes on to the rest of us in our own poor and inefficient and insufficient ways to carry it forward. God help us. This is America's turning point.

1:04:04Benny you you know the turning point people better than most and Charlie's friends and family what kind of contact have you had with them how how is the inner circle doing very poorly I mean how do you fill a life like Charlie's he was a prophet and I'll just say it I just don't care anymore. I was able to witness Megan, Charlie, from a very early age. I met Charlie when he was a teenager. I was able to watch him work and I was able to see not only God's hand on what he was building, but also the providence of his actions. And I experienced it. And everybody who was near Charlie knew that there was a specific energy that only he had.

1:05:00And sometimes as it goes with martyrs, you don't even appreciate it when it's right there in front of you. But now looking back, you say, my goodness, God has his hand on this man. And I will never understand why God took him from us. I will never understand why he is gone today, but I do understand what he wanted. And so your question is, how are people holding up? Well, they're holding up exactly the way that Charlie would want us to hold up because Charlie is right now smiling with that iconic and And irreplaceable smile down from heaven on us. And he is saying, buck up. Don't cry. Continue the work.

1:05:59I've built this incredible organization in Turning Point USA. I've begun this movement that has started the process of saving a generation of Americans who followed him by the tens of millions who listened to his every word and continue that work. And that is what Charlie has said to me so many times. I'm sure he said it to you in private text messages. He said it to so many hundreds of activists and people of influence, politicians and so on, that Charlie Kirk was there constantly stiffening the spine. It's not our time to cry. It's not our time to be sad. He did this to me after the 2020 election.

1:06:44And his entire team, OK, now we get to work. Good, good. So something terrible happened to us. Good. Now we get to work. and that was the man who Charlie was. Megan, I'll tell you, I have wept bitterly on my knees and I've done that in my own private space. And what it will require of us moving forward is to remember that that is not who Charlie was. He was not somebody who ever felt sorry for himself ever. He was someone who only ever served those around him and built up. And it's not easy to kill a martyr, Megan. Martyrs get more powerful after their martyrdom. And what you're seeing now today is that the world is gathering around Charlie, praying for him and his family and his beautiful wife, Erica.

1:07:44He is survived by Erica and their two children. They're gathering around Charlie and people are now looking with more intensity than ever at what was Charlie saying that got him killed. What was Charlie doing, Megan, that got him killed? You cut out a man's tongue. You just you just prove that you're scared of what he's saying. You don't silence him. You actually make him louder. And now today, now today we get the news that it was about his speech, that it was about his opinions, or so say the bullets that remained chambered. The reporting out of the Wall Street Journal, originally broken by Steven Crowder, is that the three rounds not yet fired had pro-trans, anti-fascist messages written on them.

1:08:35No pictures yet released of that, though I'm sure it's coming. and yet another piece of evidence in that, that Charlie's haters didn't know him at all. We pulled just this one. We could be here all day playing similar exchanges between Charlie and a trans advocate or activist or someone who said they just were trans at these events. This is the real Charlie Kirk. This is the actual Charlie Kirk and how he handled that issue. Watch. I just want to say I'm a transgender male. What age should kids be able to get things like hormone therapy? Because I don't know what's true, what's not. Tell me, are you comfortable telling me your story?

1:09:19I've known that since like third grade and I'm currently 19, almost 20. I've known basically since then I didn't start going by like a different name until seventh and eighth grade. I just don't know, like, with the whole medical stuff, like, what's true, what's not, what's helpful, because I've heard so many different opinions. First of all, thank you so much for that. Yeah, of course. So I'm going to have an opinion that very few people will ever tell you, which is I want you to be very cautious putting drugs into your system in the pursuit of changing your body. I instead encourage you to work on what's going on in your brain first.

1:09:59I think what you need first and foremost is just a diagnosis, just someone that is going to listen to what you've gone through. Listen to what else is going on. My prayer for you, and again, very few people will say this. I actually want to see you be comfortable in how you were born. Yeah. I know that you might not feel that way, but I think that is something that you can achieve. I think that with the right team and the right people, you don't have to wage war on your body. You can learn to love your body. It's absolutely beautiful. and respectful in its honesty and its frankness. That's who he was.

1:10:34And it appears to have gotten him killed. What of the news, Benny, that this may have been somebody motivated by Charlie's messaging on the trans issue and on, quote, fascism, which is code for Donald Trump on the left? Well, I want to take a moment here, Megan, and give your audience a little window into what demonic activity the left has been engaging in from a corporate media level through a dark money level, through an activist and terrorist level. And the playbook is quite simple. You demonize at a corporate media level. You call everyone Hitler. and fascist and irredeemable and deplorable.

1:11:34Then you fund groups to organize against those people who you've demonized. Then you arm them. You ensure that they have a malicious style mindset. This is done through TikTok and mass formation psychosis. and the allowance of left-wing violence and the promotion of Luigi-style left-wing murderous terrorism. You lionize and venerate like the transgender shooter that just massacred children in Minneapolis. You hop people up on pharmaceuticals and drugs to make them out of their mind. And then you say you'd be a hero if you went and shot Hitler. And that's the playbook. And that, I believe, is what needs to be destroyed in this nation.

1:12:40That is a playbook that is going to end in civil war, Megan. It's something that is going to end horribly in secretarian violence in this country. And the left is running that playbook. We are not. I hear that Joe Biden has terminal cancer. I say prayers and blessings to his family. I think Joe Biden wrecked the country. I think there hasn't been a worse president in my lifetime, but I'm not going to sit there and wish ill on him. Never have I ever wished ill or harm on a fellow American ever, nor will I. That is the difference between us and the animals, Megan, because they are celebrating right now.

1:13:17They want more of this. They're all targeting you. They're targeting me. Yes. They're saying, who's next? Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly. That's what's happening. That's what needs to be targeted. that is, and I will say it to its face, that is evil, demonic activity from the pit of hell. You have lost your humanity, but it is the end stage of the dehumanization of the other, of your political enemy. And this has been an op that has been run on this country. And Charlie Kirk is in part a victim and a martyr because of that op. and shame and a pox on the house and a forever curse on every media organization, including and up to just a few hours ago, Van Jones on CNN, calling Charlie Kirk a demagogue and an irredeemable racist.

1:14:17And that is what Van Jones did on CNN's airwaves. Shame upon all of them. In fact, in just the hours after Charlie Kirk's announcement that he was shot. We didn't even know what was happening. There were guests on MSNBC that were saying he deserved it. These filthy demons. That is the problem, Megan. We mentioned this in the Don Jr. interview. I'm going to play it now. Matthew Dowd, who's now been fired from even MSNBC because they had to, sat there across from Katie Turin and said the following in Suck 23 when Charlie was clinging to life. I emphasize what you just emphasized. We don't know any full details of this.

1:15:00We don't know if this was the supporter shooting their gun off in celebration, so we have no idea about this. But following up with what was just said, he's been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. And I think that's the environment we're in, that people just, you can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place.

1:15:39And that's the unfortunate environment we're in. That's crazy. He counts himself as a Christian man. He's constantly pushing that online. And as Charlie was lying there dying, that's where he went, Benny. I'll give you the last word. They just ran this off on my family and they've no I know they've done the same thing to you, Megan. The New York Times just ran a piece that said that when my family was in a life threatening situation that included fire and bullets raining down on our home in Washington, D.C., that they weren't in enough danger for the father of this newborn child to be concerned.

1:16:18That's that was the premise of a New York Times article on my family just a few weeks ago. This is the mindset of these people that we are not worthy of sympathy. This is how they think, and it is worth internalizing that. And whether you want to share a – can you sing Kumbaya and join arms with that? Or is that something that must be defeated? Is that a worldview that is so despicable and so dark that you must actually ensure that it does not continue? Meaning in a peaceful way, we must set about the business of defeating the evil that stole Charlie from us. And that evil is an inhumane spiritual darkness that has overcome and washed over the left, Megan.

1:17:13And you see it in so many examples, but I'll give you just one final one in conclusion. The final one in conclusion is these are the same people that told us that when President Trump took a bullet to the head that it was a Republican who did it, that it was a Trump supporter who did it. It's the same playbook. These people. Or that it didn't happen at all. That was their other. It didn't happen at all. That's right. And so that's what we must fight and defeat. Benny, thank you. Thank you, Megan. You know, he and I are talking about the disgusting media and how they gin up these lies about people.

1:17:47They have no qualms whatsoever about what it will do to your life or your safety. I mean, in the realm of Charlie Kirk, you know, when you look at the public media figures who have been subjected to that kind of targeting, you can't think of one more well-known than Tucker Carlson. The New York Times has literally run front page article after article on him trying to convince the world that he's a racist, which is a pernicious lie. He was dear friends with Charlie and he's here next. Don't go away.

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1:23:04Joining me now, Tucker Carlson of The Tucker Carlson Show and TuckerCarlson.com. Tucker, it's so awful. I've been really wanting to hear your reaction to the news. I know you were traveling yesterday. Where are you at right now, less than 24 hours later? Well, I mean, of course, bewildered. You know, I got back last night and stayed up until probably like everybody until one in the morning, talking to people and texting people. And then, you know, on X, looking at the reaction. And I woke up this morning and I thought to myself, you know, that's really not the way at all to sit and marinate in the hate, which I did.

1:23:44I couldn't help it. It's like pornography or snuff videos or something. You like you're just like mesmerized by it. It's like watching, you know, a tragedy over and over. Not the violence, but just the hate. I mean, I must have watched 15 videos of young women celebrating Charlie's death. And my first thought was, well, you know, this is obviously some kind of, you know, manufactured attempt to divide the country against itself. And it's probably all fake. And then you look and it's actually not fake. You know, here's a teacher from an elementary school in Idaho. And here's a yoga instructor from West Hollywood.

1:24:15And these are like real people with real names. and then you realize boy I mean the depth of evil out there is is really overwhelming like what country what do I know the country do I know who lives here like what is this um and I was just I couldn't turn away and I then I realized when I woke up this morning um that's really hurting me um and I woke up to a group text from my wife uh to our family text of course everyone knew Charlie was just at our house um and you know very upset very upset for a bunch of different reasons and And she sent Luke 6, which is like the most radical thing that anyone's ever said.

1:24:53And it's like, no, no, no. Love your enemies. Pray for your persecutors. When someone assaults you, don't fight back, which is impossible, of course. I mean, no one can do that. And it literally takes supernatural intervention for anyone to live that way, much less to feel that way. And that's what's called for, is supernatural intervention. I mean, you can take all kinds of steps. We do need to restore order in the country, and no one's kind of done that for the last 50 years, and this is the end result of true disorder. And by order, by the way, that doesn't mean authoritarian behavior or eliminating people's constitutional rights or races.

1:25:28There's nothing like that. I mean order is the key to happiness and peace. Order is what God creates out of chaos at the beginning of Genesis. Like order is a prerequisite for joy. So we need order. We don't have it. I hope it's restored. but much more deeply people need to be transformed and see each other as god sees them them you know including their enemies as human beings who are doing bad things but are still created by god like without that worldview then you descend into into hell in fact you already live there which is where in some sense we live now and um boy that just became clear because it happened to me i mean i and they're fuming and despair and like, by the way, what was this?

1:26:09You know, there's always a lot going on in the backdrop, a lot. And I don't know, of course, the answer, but everyone's got an opinion on that. And it really took me away from Charlie, Erica, and their children and the things that you should be meditating on and praying about. It totally took me out of that into this place of hate. and I don't want to go there. So let me just say quickly about Charlie. I've known him since he was a teenager and just an amazing person. But the two things that stick out, he's a Christian man. And we talked about that a lot, including just the other day. There's a lot of pressure on public people, people who run huge, $100 million a year nonprofits.

1:26:53And there are a lot of pitfalls and traps. That's why so many of them are destroyed. And Charlie really did without betraying details. He walked the line for real. It was the topic of many conversations between us because I've seen so many people destroyed. Most people are destroyed by power, and he wasn't. And I just really admire that. I mean, to his last moments, in order, he cared about God, his wife, and his children, and then his country. And that was totally real, completely real. I can affirm that because I just talked to him about it so much. And I admire that, and he's a model, really.

1:27:30I mean, he didn't have hate in his heart. And it was funny. And again, it's one of the reasons I couldn't stop looking at these videos last night, people were describing the opposite of what he was, he was filled with hate. No. And if you talk to him about people who had attacked him, or who were truly his enemies, up to and I think, including the people who assassinated him yesterday, he would never, ever express hate ever, he would always turn to know this person has been led astray. This person is clearly possessed by dark forces. This person is a perpetrator, but also a victim of evil. I mean, that really was his worldview.

1:28:02That's the Christian worldview. And he expressed that in public and especially in private. And I think that faith, which was completely real, not the fake faith that you see on display so often, but a real one, that was the root of his courage. And he had real courage. He loved being with people who disagreed with him, not theoretically with them, but physically with them, you know, like close enough to smell. He would wade right in the middle of everything. I mean, I could tell you a million stories that I saw, but that was absolutely real. Like he loved people, even people who hated him and people he loved.

1:28:40He was the rare person who was willing to tell them what he thought was true. I mean, he really believed as a political matter, by the way, that, you know, I don't think he had animus toward anybody in no other country, but he really believed in his own country and the obligation of his his government to stand behind his country he was truly America first in the nicest most decent non-ideological but sincere way he was one of the only people I mean truly one of the only people to go to the president whom he loved he loved Donald Trump like personally as well and I and I think the president really loved him in a real way but he's one of the only people to go to the Oval Office and say sir I totally understand and think Iran's really bad but a war with Iran is not, you know, is something that could really hurt our country.

1:29:24I mean, boy, that was an unpopular position. He didn't need to express it. Oh, of course. And he did it again. He didn't have some weird agenda. He wasn't mad at anybody. He was for his country and he was for doing the right and wise and difficult thing. And he said that he went to the Oval Office to say that he took massive, massive abuse from his own donors, which is also something that you don't see people. And he loved his donors. It wasn't a hostile thing, but they had a different view. A lot of them, not all, but a lot. And they expressed it to him in a very intense way. I know because he showed me.

1:29:58And he said, look, I understand your perspective. This is my perspective and we're going to do what we think is the right thing, the wise thing. In that way too, he was the voice of young people. I mean, there are no young people in the country anymore supporting this war and wanting Israel to continue its bombing campaign. That's just the truth. Look at the polls. And he was in touch with them. And even where his own opinion may have differed from their opinion, he felt like he owed it to them to bring their message to the sitting president of the United States. I mean, it was, that's what's been snuffed out.

1:30:31Well, as he has been, unfortunately, but he was one of the very few people, very few people I have met who combined a, like a love for everyone involved with strong views. So again, he was not animated by anything creepy or weird. I mean, you knew him intimately, so you know this is true. If you talked to him off camera, he would say, you know, I really, like I love whoever I'm talking about, but I think this is wrong. It's immoral. It's bad for everybody involved, both sides. And he would say that, and he could say that because it was sincere. It was completely sincere. But I cannot overstate the amount of attacks he took privately over this.

1:31:14like absolutely for real. And having lived in Washington most of my life and seen people run nonprofits, I've never met one who was willing, stand up is too strong. He wasn't confrontational, but he would just say, no, I'm sorry that you feel that way. But I think this is the right thing. The people we represent, which is mostly young people, they believe this. And I believe it also. It was brave, but loving at the same time. And I'm not sure he made a lot of headway, by the way. I mean, I think he made real enemies in doing that, but his view didn't change. Anyway, he was just a wonderfully decent, loving man.

1:31:50That is true. What do you think about the actual assassination? Who was potentially behind it? Do we believe this business about the New York Times is trying to cast doubt on what was on those cartridges and whether those messages were really there? Not saying it didn't happen, but suggesting like be careful because it may not be true. And even if it is true, it could be a situation where there's much more to it than, than that, than what was on those bullets. Do you have any thoughts? Not knowing what the truth is. Well, of course I have so, I have so many thoughts. But I got a call about an hour ago from one of the very few people I trust in Washington and really love.

1:32:33And like a true, a true friend who said, I bet like everybody you're tempted to go to dark places or focus on you know the violence here or what was clearly a well-planned assassination and um and you should just take a break from that and this is someone who I agree with on everything it's not you know this wasn't trying to control me but just like out of concern for you know me as a person like you should focus on Charlie and who he was and you know proceed with wisdom and restraint and so that's all I'm gonna say I mean of course you can imagine all kinds of things and I don't think anything is necessarily implausible.

1:33:09I do think that we all, we should always, and I try to live by this, be skeptical of, of everything that we're presented as a pat explanation for anything. I mean, of course, you know, there's been, there's an awful lot of deception in this world, but we shouldn't allow, you know, the potential that what we're hearing is fake to convince us that it is fake before we know that it's fake. In other words, wait, you know, wait for the facts. But I mean, of course, It goes without saying that I would never after, you know, 35 years of doing this ever accept the first explanation from anyone. And I mean literally from anyone.

1:33:44So but I, you know, so we'll we'll find out. But clearly the way that it was done with maximum violence with the 30-06, not a 223, by the way. I don't know guns. What does that mean? Okay, so the.223, the.556, the AR-15 round, the little.22 caliber high-pressure round that is, you know, thought to be the most dangerous gun in the world and weapon of war and all this stuff, you're constantly hearing about it, is in fact designed basically to wound under most circumstances. The gun that murdered Charlie was what is often referred to by Chuck Schumer as a deer rifle. But of course, it's a much larger.

1:34:24It is, in fact, an old fashioned military round. It's 30 at six, 30 caliber, big, big round. And that, you know, people who understand guns. I mean, I guess all I'm saying without getting sidetracked is, you know, whoever contemplated this and pulled it off and committed the murder, you know, had had thought about it and was clearly. you know i'm not saying it was i mean i don't know who it was but it wasn't clearly not some random guy who got mad yesterday morning and decided to do it i mean yeah i agree with that there was there was great forethought uh in this so that's that's all we know of again i think you know my life over certainly over the last 10 years proves that i'm not an acceptor of the official story just because it's the official story by the way the official story can be right you know just because it's the official story doesn't mean it's a lie but it you know i think there can also be more to the official story well that's that's true and um part of the problem with living to 56 is you've seen so much and i grew up around a lot of the stuff already that you can just get lost in it completely lost in it you know because you know a lot of things over time that are you know the truth about some things you don't know the truth i don't know the truth about everything that's for sure there's i'm there are many more things i'm ignorant on that I'm knowledgeable about.

1:35:41However, I've seen enough and been into enough dinners where people like, well, da, da, da, da, da. And you're thinking to yourself, you have no idea what actually happened, you know, and you can get into a kind of mindset. Not for nothing, but on that front, Tucker's got a documentary out today on, on Tucker Carlson.com on nine 11 and some hard truths we weren't told. And of course you're going to be called a conspiracy theorist as people love to say, but I will say just this week, Catherine Herridge, who nobody's ever accused of being a conspiracy theorist has got has matched some of your reporting and she's reporting it on x so people should check it out obviously yeah i mean that was i mean it doesn't mean that we know well look i don't know there are a million things i don't know including what was really going on in 9-11 all we proved was that the official story was like completely ridiculously false it doesn't mean that i have a pat explanation for it and and probably never will and for a million other things but i guess what i'm saying is i think that's super important We need to get to the bottom of it and to a lot of other things, including the shooting at Butler, which for some reason we still know nothing about.

1:36:44And you can't have a country where someone can try to assassinate the president and then we never get to the bottom of it. Like it can't continue like that. So we need radical transparency, just what I've been saying for years. But I do think we also need to be mindful that we are in a form of civil war right now. That's obvious. Violence is a huge component of it. You don't want it to become a bigger component of it. And what's the answer to that? And I've just been around a couple wars and like, I don't want that. And I certainly don't want it here. There are really no winners and its effects last for generations, centuries, really.

1:37:18And so what is the answer? And the answer is to see one another as God sees us. It doesn't mean to excuse inexcusable behavior. It doesn't mean moral relatives, but it means exactly the opposite of moral relatives. It means recognizing that we are created by a creator, all of us, no matter what our views or our appearance, all of us, and proceed with that in mind always. It doesn't mean excusing, you know, murder or anything else or pretending that transgenderism is like not evil. It's evil, but it means remembering always that these are human beings, okay? And that's, I just know from my experience online, I don't go online all that much, but oh my gosh, I'm like, how did this young sort of pretty yoga instructor from West Hollywood had become genocidal and become totally indifferent to the murder of my friend.

1:38:04Like, how could this even be? And of course, that's downstream from, but it's a lot, a lot of people have become that way, you know, and don't become that way. It's a dark couple of hours. Do you, do you worry, Tucker, people have asked me this in the last 24 hours, and I'll ask you the question. And there's not another more prominent news person than you. And there's not one that's been attacked with the same terms they used against Charlie that have been used against me, too, than you. So do you worry now? Because the shooters at large and even once they catch this guy, and I think they will catch this guy, he's not the only deranged person out there or agenda driven.

1:38:53I mean, I kind of don't want to answer the question, but if I'm being – okay, I will. Yeah, I mean I've had some things happen in the last few years that I'm never going to talk about because my family doesn't want me to. But like I've had cause to think about this a lot, and I really feel like it's up to God. I really sincerely feel that. Now, I have a very big family. I'm at the head of the family, so I have concerns that extend far beyond me, and that is a subject of – of prayer every single day, including this morning. But I don't think that we can choose the time. I don't. I don't think we can extend our lives.

1:39:29I really believe, and I really mean it when I say this, I'm not just posing, that all of this is in God's hands. So I do believe that doesn't make me not take precautions or whatever. Actually, it has maybe not take precautions, but I've been encouraged to take precautions anyway. So I'm not actually worried. I mean, I've had a couple, or several things that I consider very, very close calls. And so over the last 20 years or so, I've thought about it a lot. And I feel, you know, I just feel sad for Charlie's family. I feel sorry for Erica in a way that's really kind of hard to express. And it's definitely not about me.

1:40:09And we set up a fund for Erica and the children. I think it's going to go online in a minute. We put, we seeded it with a bunch of money and I hope others will follow because I think, yeah, I mean, what can you do? I mean, I don't have it. I mean, I talk for a living. I've written a bunch of books. I feel like I'm more eloquent than average. I have nothing wise or edifying to say. You stare in the face of a 31-year-old man assassinated, obviously to send a message to the rest of us. And it's like, what do you say? I have nothing to say. I know. That's how I felt yesterday when it was unfolding.

1:40:44It was like, I wish I had some profundity to offer. It's hard to know even where to categorize this. It does feel like a before and after moment. It feels like a before and after moment that we haven't seen open season on political commentators before. It does feel like it's evil incarnate that we have to accept there's evil amongst us. You see a bunch of Christian children shot down in their school church. That's evil. There's not a lot of other words for it. But as with all these situations, in order to go forward, you have to look for the helpers, Mr. Rogers style, You're one of them here. J.D.

1:41:19Vance, an amazing post online last night talking about how much Charlie meant to him. And this just came in as we were talking, Tucker. The New York Times reporting that Vice President J.D. Vance and his wife Usha, we knew that they were planning on going and meeting with Charlie's family. But now it comes out that they are meeting with them, okay, in Salt Lake City. That's where Charlie's body was brought there. and that Kirk's family and friends, as well as his casket, will then be flown on Air Force Two to Phoenix, Arizona. This is where Charlie lived in Arizona. According to an official familiar with the matter, Vance is retrieving Kirk's casket while paying his respects.

1:41:59That's extraordinary. It is extraordinary. And I would say J.D. Vance is an extraordinary man. It's not like any other politician I've ever met in a lifetime of knowing him. So I will say that. So he talked about how he, but it's true. No, he talked about in his post last night about how he'd been on your show a couple of times and, and Charlie helped him and gave him some advice. And Charlie brought him through some rooms when he hadn't even yet declared for Senate and kind of gave him feedback. I'm like, you know, maybe this is something you could do. That's great. It was always there that even when he became a public figure and was thrust into the national spotlight as VP nominee, his kids were thrown like this is a lot of attention.

1:42:37Charlie was one of the first to call and repeatedly check on how they were doing. I mean, it's just such a I know you knew him well. You know, Mark Halpern, I asked you this one time you were on, had said that you and Don Jr. and Charlie Kirk described you as the board of directors, you know, to Trump. You humbly said no, but you knew him well. You talk to him all the time. It's just trying to understand the void that's been left by this senseless murder is it feels impossible. I agree with that, but I do think it makes a kind of sense. I mean, above all, Charlie represented belief in God, and that is the divide.

1:43:13I'm sorry to say that, and I'm certainly not trying to inspire religious-based conflict. I mean, it's a contradiction in terms. Read Luke 6. I mean, you know, Jesus does not endorse violence, honestly, even in self-defense, he says. So, you know, people can grapple with that as they will, but that's what it says. and so I am totally opposed to violence but that is the dividing line that's not left or right republican democrat trans straight or whatever there I mean there's an effort to recast this as a different kind of of of contest between worldviews it's no the dividing line is do you think God exists or do you think you are God and it's that simple it has always been that simple it will never change and and I would and I think our souls are at stake I really really believe that.

1:44:01I think Jesus is the only answer. Sorry. And I, that is in some ways a very triggering thing to say, and which tells you right there. Too bad. It's true. Yeah. Well, it's true. And I know, I'm not saying that to provoke, I'm saying that because I believe it. And it is the only answer because you can see exactly where this goes. And so, you know, the one religion in the world that stands up and says no, and then is hated for it, like that tells you this is a spiritual war and um and that's the only way out and i really i've thought a lot about this and the last thing i'll say you said now they're killing commentators but as you know since you're in this business ask anyone in this business has anyone ever tried to do this to you and you'll find a lot of people who will say yes this has been going on a while actually and no one wants to talk about it it freaks your family out when you talk about it but in public but the truth is this has been, whatever this is, has been, this is not new.

1:44:55And I'm just so sad. They got one. Truly, truly sad. They got one, Tucker. And that's why I say it's a before and after moment. It's a before and after because, you know, now you have to grapple with copycats. Now you have to grapple with this as an option in the same way that Columbine crossed a line and created this new genre of violence. This is potentially where we're at now with political dialogue. And it's so antithetical to, yes, goodness and Christianity and all of it, but also just to the First Amendment and being an American. Yes, that's right. Well, which is based on Christianity, by the way.

1:45:31We have a First Amendment because we believe God gave us the right to decide and to say everything. It's the only reason we have the Bill of Rights. I don't know. I worry about whether this is a tipping point, yeah, a turning point, yeah, sure, for the country in a negative way. You know, of a descent into something even darker, right? As opposed to a period at the end of some terrible things that have been happening. What do you see? I just want to repeat, I've gotten hundreds of course of texts and like, they're all the same. You know, I'm so sorry. I know you were close to him, be safe. And I appreciate every single one I've responded with gratitude to everyone.

1:46:12But the one that stands out among the hundreds and hundreds I've received comes from my cousin, Jake, who's one of the wisest people I know. and he said, I'm not praying for your safety. I'm praying that you would more fervently seek wisdom than ever before. That just stuck out to me right there. It's seek wisdom more than ever before, fervently. That's what we need to do. You can't protect yourself in the end. I mean, you should be reasonable, of course. I'm not preaching recklessness, but I'm saying the goal is wisdom. seek wisdom. And I just, boy, you know, you go through these texts and like that one, that's the truth right there.

1:46:56Well, that's why we called you. Check. I'll tell you what the one I've been doing. Okay. I'm doing fine. Thank you. I've been repeating, you know, St. Michael prayer and praying that he'll help us help defend us against the wickedness and snares of the devil, which seem ubiquitous these days. Tucker, all the best. Deliver us from the evil one. Thank you. Yeah. I appreciate it. Stay well. Obviously, stay well. And everybody, check out Tucker's latest podcast, by the way, with Sam Altman of ChatGPT, which we didn't even get to, but basically, there's an extraordinary exchange that you need to see.

1:47:34Okay. We got to run because we're out of time, but I want to thank all of you for rejoining us again today. Don't forget, the FBI is still asking for you to call them. if you have any information. They need your help. They put out a$100 ,000 reward. It's 1-800-CALL-FBI. They still do not have the shooter in custody. Say a prayer for Charlie's family and for the second family, the Vances, who are going to have a very difficult job ahead of them today. That's a very noble and brave thing to do, but it's going to be a tough day. He was supposed to be at the Ground Zero 9-11 commemoration. And before we go, all my sympathies and heart goes out to the families of the 9-11 victims.

1:48:17My son and others were planting flags at their school this morning in commemoration of their loss, and they added one extra flag, one for Charlie Kirk. They all died for the same thing, standing up for American freedoms because they lived it every day. We'll see you tomorrow. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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