Remembering September 11 25 Years Later: The Heroes and Bravery, and the Moments That Shaped America | Ep. 1396

30:56Peter Hansen, who was traveling with his wife and two-year-old daughter, called his father, Lee, and told him that the plane was flying erratically. People have been stabbed, he says, and to call United Airlines. Little Christine Lee Hansen, just two years old, and on board that plane. just not for nothing, but you do have these young Americans with, as I mentioned over on TikTok, talking about how bin Laden had a point, as I said, or Hassan Piker, this leftist podcaster, said America deserved 9-11. You look at Christine Lee Hansen and you tell me that. He's since tried to walk it back. Who would utter such a thing to begin with?

31:40Who would utter such a thing ever. You look at Christine Lee Hansen and you tell me that she deserved it. Fuck off. At 8.57 a.m., more than 230 firefighters were on their way to the scene, many off duty, going straight from their homes. It is the largest rescue in the city's history. The fire chief, Peter Hayden, later recalled, we had a very strong sense that we would lose firefighters and that we were in deep trouble. And indeed, that would be the case. New York City lost 441 first responders that day. 441. The toll was absolutely stunning. More than 12 ,000 FDNY members later diagnosed with a 9-11 related illness.

32:3012 ,000. The police and firefighters. The reports of the firefighters running up the stairs while people ran down as they evacuated the building, trying to save their own lives. And the faces of these firefighters, old and young amongst them, running up toward the danger. That's what defines America and that day. Good and evil. Heroes and terrorists. as the police chief in New York said this week, let's be really clear who was who. They knew. They knew that they were driving down, racing down, walking up to their likely deaths, and they did it anyway. That's true courage. That's, I was going to say inhuman courage, but it's not.

33:23That's the beauty of it. It is human courage. They knew the dangers better than anybody, better than we did, better than we ever could. And they did it anyway. At 9 a.m., Boston Air Traffic Control listens back to the first transmission from ATA, which had been hard to understand. And they are stunned to hear him say, we have some planes, some planes. So it's plural. It's plural now. So Lee Hansen at 903 gets another call from his son Peter on flight 175. He says, quote, I think we are going down. I think they intend to go to Chicago or someplace and fly into a building. Don't worry, dad. If it happens, it'll be very fast.

34:13Lee hears a woman scream on his son's end of the phone. And then he hears his son Peter say, my God, my God. Peter's mother said later, We heard his first cries and his last ones. Lee Hansen looks at the television and sees his son's plane disintegrate. The right engine pierces the entire tower and lands five blocks away. Here is that moment when at 9.03 that morning, September 11, 2001, Flight 175 hit the South Tower of the World Trade Center.

35:15The South Tower was so badly torn up, that it was hit second, but would go down first. And the stories are legion of people who were in the South Tower watching what was going on in the North Tower and calling their loved ones saying, don't worry, I'm fine. Don't worry. I'm okay. They were evacuating the South Tower, but people were, and they were alarmed, but they were relieved that it wasn't their tower and they were proceeding to exit the building when this happened, many of them. It was just a devastating injury, and of course, Bin Laden later famously said it worked even better, his plan, than he had expected it would.

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38:10at 9 0 8 a.m at the emma booker elementary school in sarasota florida president bush was reading to a class of children being watched by reporters as he did it the white house chief of staff at the time andy card famously whispers in his ear america is under attack the president decided not to rush out he didn't want he said later to scare the children and send ripples of panic throughout the country. Press Secretary at the time, Ari Fleischer, was standing in front of the media holding up a sign that read, don't say anything yet. They didn't want to cause a panic there. They didn't want to upset the children.

38:50The president sat for seven minutes as the children read out loud. The president would have plenty to say just a short time after. At 9.20, so 12 minutes after he'd been told, President Bush delivered a hastily written statement as follows. Well, we have it. Let's watch. Today we've had a national tragedy. Two airplanes have crashed into the World Trade Center in an apparent terrorist attack on our country. Terrorism against our nation will not stand. And now if you join me in a moment of silence.

39:37May God bless the victims, their families and America. Thank you very much.

39:48Everything changed for George Bush personally and professionally from that point. He did not run on foreign policy. No one wanted to deal with foreign policy. much in the same way we're feeling these days. But it was foisted upon him, and he became a wartime president in that moment. He was heavily criticized for the seven minutes, but I understand the instinct. You want to be cool. You want to be in command. You want to project calm, which he was very good at, by the way. And then when George Bush found his footing, after those moments, He was pitch perfect on his messaging around that event.

40:28I mean, George Bush standing in the rubble of the fallen towers in the days after with the firefighters still looking for the remains of their friends and comrades and innocent civilians. Changed the entire country's opinion of him with that moment behind the megaphone. Here it is. Thank you all.

40:56I want you all to know that America today is on bended knee in prayer for the people whose lives were lost here, for the workers who work here, for the families who mourn. This nation stands with the good people of New York City and New Jersey and Connecticut as we mourn the loss of thousands of our citizens. I can hear you.

41:43I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people... And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon.

42:04USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! Incredible. Absolutely incredible. Not pre-written for him. Complete instinct. And what a moment. You had to hold on to it. There were moments after this happened that mattered. That really mattered. That sort of became the defining images in addition to what we'd seen that morning of the tragedy. That was one of them. Congress. Singing. Outside. I'll get to that in a moment. I'm getting ahead of myself. Back to the morning in question. 9.28 a.m., Flight 93. All four hijackers storm the cockpit, and air traffic control can hear the sound of a struggle over the radio.

42:59Leroy Homer shouts desperately, Mayday, Mayday, Mayday. Then the radio goes quiet for 35 seconds. Then another frantic transmission. Hey, get out of here. Get out of here. Get out of here. This is the cockpit. At 9.37 a.m., American Airlines Flight 77. Again, this is the one going out of Dulles, carrying 64 people from Washington to Los Angeles, crashed into the west side of the Pentagon. Watch. We're looking at a live picture from Washington, and there is smoke pouring out of the Pentagon. It would appear that there has been another major explosion, this one in the nation's capital. There is smoke in the air over the Pentagon.

43:45At this point, when you were watching at home on television, you didn't know what was happening. The plane hitting the Pentagon never had a picture-perfect video the way the World Trade Center had. And so it was a question about whether a bomb had gone off there. There was like a car bomb or there was something else. And there was a false report of a car bomb, as memory serves, outside of the Pentagon. so we were confused and then you didn't know is this a copycat is it related because you weren't sure if it was a plane in the initial reporting of what happened at the pentagon and indeed it was a plane um and it had the wife of the solicitor the u.s solicitor general ted olson his wife barbara olson was on board the plane he would speak so eloquently about her in all the years thereafter But it was carrying 64 people, and it was bound for Los Angeles, too, crashing into the west side of the Pentagon.

44:45And there is a stunning memorial at the Pentagon to this day there. 13 minutes later, at 9.50 a.m., one of the most horrific moments in U.S. history happened. One World Trade Center at the South Tower would collapse. Here's that moment. This is as close as we can get to the base of the World Trade Center. You can see the firemen assembled here, the police officers, FBI agents, and you can see the two towers, a huge explosion now, raining debris on all of us. We better get out of the way!

45:45The amount of carnage was unspeakable. And everyone watching at home, the news anchors covering it, everyone knew the loss of life would be immense. One of the saving graces on that day was that it could have been worse. It was relatively early in the day. New York sometimes gets a later start, and it could have been worse. You know, the first planes hit early before the entire crowd had arrived at 1-2 World Trade Center. But, of course, the loss of life would be enormous. It was 2 ,977 killed, more than 6 ,000 injured.

46:33and that North Tower, sorry, the South Tower falling first was a surprise, was a stunner. No one had anticipated that, by the way. I mean, when you heard the coverage, when you talked to the firefighters, people were not anticipating the buildings falling. That's why the firefighters were running up. They knew they might get burned to death. But when the towers fell, it was such a foreign idea that they would implode, that they would fall. That if you watch, for example, NBC, which I watched in part, I was surfing like many people, they didn't know, they didn't say the building collapsed. There was quite a while there before the dust cleared and you could see that it was no longer there, that we didn't know what happened.

47:14And you could hear even the news reporter said, oh, there's a very loud noise, like an explosion. Sounded like an explosion. I remember it fell and then of course, the North Tower would fall. And I was married to my first husband at the time, or was about to be, actually. We got married that month, September 2001. Our wedding was later that month. And he was a doctor in training. He was doing a residency out at Northwestern. And he was in surgery as an anesthesiologist. And I did something I never do, which is I called him in the OR, which you don't do. But this was so extraordinary. And I remember he was repeating what I was telling him to the surgeons and to the OR.

47:57and I said that the towers have fallen. And he said, what do you mean? I said, the twin towers are, they're gone. They were attacked. Planes have been flown into them and the towers are no longer standing. And he was repeating this to a room full of surgeons in the middle of a surgery and no one could believe it. People thought I had lost my mind because we couldn't believe our eyes. It just, you couldn't believe your eyes. and you know you've seen it in the old movies you know from home alone to so many others the twin towers were the crown jewel of the manhattan skyline it seems like a weird analogy but it's in in the way that titanic was the unsinkable ship the towers just seemed indestructible they seemed larger than life they were huge they were celebratory they were a absolutely a sign of American capitalism and its might and accomplishment, one of the reasons why they were targeted.

48:56And it was just an impossible thing to imagine. And yet there it was before our very eyes. Before the second tower would fall, at 10.03 that morning, Flight 93 would crash into a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, and the heroes on board that flight would become household names. Todd Beamer, among others, decided to fight. They were making phone calls back to their loved ones, and in Todd's case, to a 911 operator, a supervisor named Lisa, and talking about their fears, what was happening, their plans, And it's because of those phone calls that we know what the passengers on board Flight 93 did.

49:49Todd Beamer spoke to Lisa Jefferson, and she would tell that story, among other times, in an interview with CBS in 2011. Listen here, slide 18. When I took the call over, there was a soft-spoken, calm gentleman on the other end. He told me that there's three people that have taken over the flight. At that point, I asked him his name. He told me Todd Beamer. He was from Cranberry, New Jersey. Did you make a conscious decision not to tell Todd about the World Trade Center? Why? Yes, because I wanted him to have hope. I wanted him to think that he still had a chance. I didn't want him to feel like it was just totally hopeless, and he definitely didn't have a choice, and he knew he was going to die.

50:35I didn't want him to have that feeling. When he wanted to pray, was your sense then that he knew that... Yes, I did. I felt that he knew at that time because he had said, Oh, Jesus, help us. And then he said, Lisa, would you recite the Lord's Prayer with me? And I knew that he knew at that time that it wasn't much left for him to do. What do you think that this country needs to know about the men and women who were on board Flight 93? They're all heroes in my eyes. They really are. They all pitched together and they did what they thought was the best thing to do at that time. And I feel that Todd played a great role in that because when he told the guys, are you ready?

51:25I assumed that they were waiting on his cue. Then they responded to him and he said, okay, let's roll. And would you please help me welcome his wife, Lisa Beamer, here tonight? She called me in the morning. I told her, I said, you have two boys, David and Andrew? She said, yes, yes, I do. I said, you're expecting a third child? She said, yes, he told you all of that. I said, yes, he did. And he wanted me to let you know that he loved you and his family very much. And I gave her a message and kept my promise.

52:06Wow. Todd Beamer was 32 years old. He was leaving for a one-day business trip to San Francisco. He was deeply committed to his family and to his Christian faith. He and his wife, Lisa, as you heard, had two sons. Their daughter, Morgan, was born January 2002. He did try unsuccessfully to reach Lisa, but couldn't, but then connected with an operator. And she passed along his messages. He had asked her to pray the Lord's Prayer with him. And then she heard him turn to the others and say that famous phrase, are you guys ready? Okay, let's roll. It was Todd Beamer, Tom Burnett, Jeremy Glick, Mark Bingham.

52:51They became four of the best known names associated with the resistance aboard United Flight 93, brought down in a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, instead of, we believe, in the U.S. Capitol. Incredible. Incredible. They stormed that cockpit, and while they weren't able to save the plane and those on board, who knows how many lives they did save, because that flight was not going to come down peacefully in a field or anywhere. It was going to be used as a weapon, just as the others were, And they stopped it.

53:28Back to the timeline. It would be another 26 minutes before the second tower came down to World Trade Center, which was the North Tower. Again, this is the one that was hit first, but came down second. And people were trying inside still to get out. people saw the firefighters going up in the north tower phone calls were made from the north and the south tower before the collapses some of which i'll get to in a minute but here is the moment that the north tower tower went down at 10 29 a.m

54:44Just awful. And absolutely unbelievable. absolutely unbelievable. The young people who want to revisit bin Laden's thoughts about 9-11, try to skirt past all these pieces of tape and these stories, because it's too enjoyable to demonize America and blame it for all of this. and we have many times on this show in response to that nonsense played the 911 call of Kevin Cosgrove. He was 46 years old. He was from West Islip. He was a husband and father of three. His eldest son was 12 that day. He was a VP at Aon Corp, which was on the 105th floor of the South Tower, about one of the worst places you could be.

55:40He called 911 to try to get help for himself and his trapped colleagues. He told the operator that my wife, quote, thinks I'm all right. I called and I said I was leaving the building and that I was fine. And then bang, that's what happened. He told the operator that they were too young to die. And that call is on tape. It is disturbing. And you can hear at the end when the tower goes down. Here it is, Kevin Cosgrove. We're waiting. There's two of us in this office. We're not ready to die, but it's getting bad. I understand, sir. We can't get out of here. I'm trying to let them know where you are.

56:25And the fire, sir. The smoke's really bad. 105, two power. All right, sit tight. We'll get to you as soon as we can. No, he's staying up. The smoke's really bad, man. It's the bill we need. That's all we can do. Where are you? What's where you guys up to? We're getting there. We're getting there. Doesn't feel like it, man. I got young kids. I understand that, sir. We're on the way. You have everything to do, sir. I know you do, but it doesn't seem like you've got lots of people up here. I understand. I know you go out in the building, but we're in here, up on the top. Smoke rises. We're on the floor.

56:57We're in the window. I know, I know. We have to be in green now. Can't see. I'll tell God to blow your hands on the list.

57:12Anybody else want to try in here? There's young men who are not ready to die. I'm not ready. I think I'm alright. I called and said I was leaving the building outside and bang. Hello? Hello? We're looking at oil, we're looking at financial center. Two three of us, two broken windows. Oh God!

57:57Oh, absolutely awful. He told the operator they were too young to die, and they were. His remains were found. He was buried on September 22, 2001. His obituary stated that he could often be seen shoveling the walks of elderly widows in winter and helping elderly couples carry bulky packages throughout the year. That was Kevin Cosgrove, who died an innocent, and not because Osama bin Laden had a point. There was Melissa Doy, 32 years old, from the Bronx. She was an only child. She lived with her mother and loved to dance. She had no children. She was a senior manager at IQ Financial Systems. She was in the South Tower.

58:46The right wing of Flight 175 had ripped into the 83rd floor where Doi's office was located. She called 911 at 917 a.m. This 911 call would wind up being used during the prosecution of Zacharias Moussaoui, the only criminal trial to result from the attacks, would prove very important. Here it is. Is it, is it, are they going to be able to get somebody up here? Of course, ma 'am, we're coming up for you. Well, there's no one here yet, and the floor is completely engulfed. We're on the floor, and we can't breathe. And it's very, very, very hot. Everybody's having cold breathing. Some people are worse.

59:28Some people are unconscious. Everybody's awake. So far, yes. Listen, listen, everybody's awake. Yes, so far. And it's very hot there, but no fire, right? I can't see. No, no, hi. Very hot, no fire for now, and no smoke, right? No smoke, right? Of course there's smoke. Ma 'am, ma 'am, you have to stay calm. There is smoke. I can't breathe. Okay, you stay calm with me, okay? I understand you. I think there is fire because it's very hot. Okay. It's very hot everywhere on the floor. Okay, I know you don't see it, but I'm going to document what you say, okay? It's very hot. We see no fire, but you see smoke, right?

1:00:06It's very hot. I don't see any air anymore. Okay. All I see is smoke. Okay dear, I'm so sorry. I hope I want to stay calm with me. Stay calm. Please. Listen, listen. The call is in. I'm documented. I'm going to let them... Hold on one second please. I'm going to die, aren't I? No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm going to die. Ma 'am, ma 'am, ma 'am. Say your prayers. I'm going to die. We're going to think positive because you've got to help each other get off the floor. I'm going to die. I know what I'm saying. Stay calm, stay calm, stay calm, stay calm. You're doing a good job, ma 'am. You're doing a good job.

1:00:38It's so hot. I have a trouble breathing. Very high. Wait, wait, we hear voices. Help! Help! That's what I'm doing. I'm just letting you know. Hello, ma 'am? Help! Stay calm. Ma 'am, ma 'am. Help! Stay calm. Stay calm. Can you... I already did that, ma 'am. May I'm alive with you, please? Yes, ma 'am. I am going to stay with you. I'm like, I'm dying. Listen, listen. They're here? Are they inside with you yet, dear? No. Okay, stay calm until they get inside. I know where they are. Ma 'am, stay calm until they get inside. My name is Evelyn What, ma 'am. Hello? The name is about to my own. I just think of my own.

1:01:19I love my own. With all I have to sell, I love you. I love you. Okay? Hello? Yes, ma 'am.

1:01:39She was the best mother of the person I could ever have.

1:01:45She had backed away from the phone for that second portion of the call, which is why she was a little tougher to hear, but she was saying, tell her she's the best mom in the world. I love her with all of my heart and soul. I will see her in the next world. Tell her I love her so much. I love her. She was the best mother a person could ever have. Melissa's remains were found three years after 9-11, but they were found, so in a way her family was fortunate. Really stretching the use of that word. But so many families got nothing. They got nothing back of their loved ones. And again, that 911 call would prove very important.

1:02:24And I have to say, what a shout out to the 911 operator there, and of course on with Todd Beamer and others, because they didn't know what to do or what to say. This is an unprecedented situation. And sometimes giving a person directives on what to do in the literal moment, like stay calm, like this is what you have to do. You have to stay calm because you're going to have to get out and you're going to have to help people is a soothing balm. Like give their mind a purpose, give them an active thing to focus on other than the horror around them. I don't know if they trained the 911 operators to do that, you know, as opposed to like, she knew this person couldn't necessarily stay calm.

1:03:07But I think the way she handled, like she stayed calm. And she, you know, no, you're not going to die. You know, she talked to her. She said things, of course, she couldn't possibly know. But she was trying to keep a peace of mind for poor Melissa. And she wouldn't have known that these were her last moments. But she would have known it was a possibility. And she just showed a lot of character and calm under pressure. And the 911 operators are also unsung heroes of the day, not to mention the electricians, the workers, all of the laborers who had to be there to clean up the mess at Ground Zero.

1:03:46More than almost 10 ,000 people have died from related illnesses after the attacks. As I said, 12 ,000 FDNY members diagnosed with a 9-11 related illness. In total, they're putting it around beyond that. 9 ,500 people dying from related illnesses since the attacks. But those firefighters, the numbers are so high because they were there in Ground Zero digging out day after day after day. I mean, 10 % of adults today were born after 2001, and they have no memory of this. This is only a story they know from books. And in fact, there was a poll that showed a majority of them, 18 to 24 today, say they first learned about the attacks in class through schoolwork.

1:04:31They didn't learn about it from a family member. They don't know about it other than as part of U.S. history. Something we're seeking to change with programs like this and by keeping the record. Keeping the record. There were harrowing tales of those who did manage to escape. I'm going to tell you two of them. one Jojo Capastro. Jojo Capastro, she spoke to the Daily Mail, and she survived 9-11 by descending 87 flights in 21 minutes from the North Tower, escaping the collapse. Thank God. She's now 64. A photographer captured this image as she fled for her life. She is covered in soot. It is one of the most famous images from 9-11 with another person next to her.

1:05:24She is barely recognizable, but she is the tall one on the left who you can kind of tell has blonde hair. It looks like something out of World War II. It just looks impossible to have happened on the streets of the United States of America. And yet, JoJo didn't feel well on the morning of September 11th, reports the Mail. But she told herself, just get up, get coffee, get to work. By 8.30 a.m., she was in her office at a boutique investment banking and brokerage firm, the May Davis Group, on the 87th floor of the North Tower. At 8.46 a.m., the first plane hit, and again, it hit the North Tower.

1:06:04But JoJo and her colleagues didn't know that. All they knew was that something catastrophic had occurred, some sort of seismic impact. We rocked, she said, the whole building went back and forth, one, two, three, four, five, six times, and then we went forward and I thought we were going into the river. I looked out the window, she said. I saw someone in a chair. I saw a briefcase. I saw a fireball and smoke started to come into the office. The race was on to get out for Jojo and her colleagues. They quickly established that two of the three stairwells on their floor were blocked or melted shut.

1:06:38Can you imagine? While a colleague hacked some sort of a passageway through the rubble. Jojo and others doused clothing and water to make masks before crawling on all fours out into the dimly lit stairwell. Quote, we were on our hands and knees when tower two hit. Jojo said the second impact came at 9.03 a.m. I have to be very honest with you, she said. I thought I was going to die. I felt something jump inside me and push me to go. Push me to go. The stairs that they had taken only went as far as the 78th floor, a transition floor, which they had to cross to transfer to another staircase. This was a very, very common tale of those trying to evacuate.

1:07:18I remember the distinct smell of burnt hair and burnt skin. There's fire. There's chaos. There's people screaming. There's injured people. There's dead people. Each floor had a different story, she said, as they went down the now more crowded stairwell. One would have music. One would have a couple of people in wheelchairs all around the smell of gasoline. Jet fuel had doused the building on impact. I remember on the 65th floor, she said there was a man praying. And then we went down another floor, and this breaks my heart. You saw the firemen coming up. We were going down on the right, and they were coming up on the left.

1:07:55And you saw the fear on their faces. And I'm like, oh my God, they're walking right into this. It's just absolutely incredible what the first responders did, what these guys did, knowing the stakes, knowing they had families of their own at home. And not only once, many tales of these firefighters and others, like Wells Crowther, going up over and over and staying, trying to get people down to the elevator bank, down to a safer floor, and then going back up the smoky stairway to get more people at great risk to themselves. By the third floor, Jojo recalled she began to see light and her instinct as she neared it was to rush out onto the concourse.

1:08:39It looked like a war zone. I was in total shock. Then a jumper fell right in front of me, through the glass, and I fainted. When she came to a police officer, when she came to, a police officer picked her up and carried her. Again, a first responder. When I got outside, I heard a roar. It was the South Tower coming down, and I started running. A priest grabbed me. A priest came out of nowhere, did he though, and pulled me under a car and started to pray. And all I heard was bang, bang, bang on top of the car, and I was knocked unconscious. When she came around, everything was white. I thought I had died and gone to heaven.

1:09:24When she finally reached home that day, she took off her clothes and packed them away, along with her shoes in a box in the basement. She suffered tremendous survivor's guilt, and still does to this day. I was single. I was 39 years old, and my friend Harry had a two-year-old son and a one-month-old newborn. Why didn't they take me? Why was I the chosen one? In 2018, when JoJo got married, she asked Phil, the photographer who took that photo, to be her wedding photographer. Their friendship, close and easy, is clear. JoJo put it simply, if you didn't go through it, I find people just don't understand.

1:10:07And Phil understands me because Phil was there that day. Phil saw me at the worst day of my life. JoJo still works in the markets, reports the Daily Mail. She's a wife, a stepmother to four sons, and a grandmother to 11. She'll be at the memorial on Friday this week, now today, a place where she finds peace and serenity. She said, I'll go alone. I have my 9-11 family down there waiting for me. Wow. What a woman. And that is, I'm sure, how they feel, that the other survivors and those who survived someone who was deceased are part of the same family, the same special club. And while they no longer have their work colleagues, their friends, their family, they have each other, they do.

1:11:07And they insist that we remember this day and what happened. And we honor that today intentionally. Lauren Manning is another survivor of 9-11. She was an executive working in World Trade, and she was burned when the elevators opened, the doors opened, and a fireball completely encompassed her. she would come on my show at Fox News and tell her story it was absolutely unforgettable she was burned over her entire body but she's become a motivational speaker and in the following clip in which she tells what happened to her you will see why Lauren Manning watch the pain was unimaginable the Burns grip was crushing my hands were so badly burned they were two mitts at the end of my arms.

1:12:07I realized that this was my moment and my choice. I could keep fighting. I could surrender. And I decided to live. And I knew that my only shot was across six lanes of highway where they had recently laid a narrow strip of grass. Everything else was cement and McAdam. All I could think of as I began to run across that highway, which seemed to last forever, was my son. Absolutely, unbelievably inspirational. She goes on to make the point when she speaks publicly that you can stay down when adversity hits. You can stay down or you can rise up. And you can find the will to live for your family, for those who love you, for those you love, for those you're connected to.

1:13:05Her son saved her life that day. She pulled herself across the highway, burned over 90 % of her body, and insisted that she would live. That this would be the beginning, not the end. And she's had untold numbers of surgeries. the pain associated with those kinds of burns and that kind of surgery is well documented. And yet she finds a way to speak optimistically about life and our reason for being here. If she can find that, so can we. If she can find optimism in the wake of what's happened to her, So can we. It's a challenge. It's a decision. It's a choice. We can all make it as she did.

1:13:58As Lauren Manning got out of the building, I mentioned Wells Crowther. He and others were still up above saving others' lives. told this story on AM Update this week, and we mentioned it on the program. President Trump just posthumously awarded Wells Crowther the Presidential Medal of Freedom just this week. He was a 24-year-old equities trader and volunteer firefighter. Survivors described a man in a red bandana guiding people to safety and then returning time and time and time again to help people, help people to safety. His parents didn't know exactly what had happened to Wells. They knew he died on 9-11.

1:14:43They didn't know how, but they knew when he was a little boy that his dad had given him a red bandana, gave him a white one. He said, Wells, with the white one, the white one is for blow, blowing your nose and the red one, sorry, reverse that. The red one is to blow and the white one is to show. And he loved his red bandana. Here he is wearing it. And Wells would wear that red bandana for the rest of his life. Apparently he wore it all the time. He wore it when he played lacrosse in college. He wore it when he was out with his buddies. He had it when he was working in the World Trade Center. And he used it that day to cover his mouth and nose as a screen for the smoke.

1:15:27And multiple people would describe who did make it out being rescued by the man with the red bandana or the red handkerchief. And his mother, Alison Crowther, read their accounts in the newspaper. And here she is speaking to Fox 5 this year, just a couple of days ago. I would say to him, Wells, I love you so much. She was such a beautiful soul, and his loss is still painful today. Allison might never have known about her son's heroism had it not been for a red bandana he wore around his face. Wells got his first bandana from his dad when he was a kid, with the fatherly advice to always carry one in case things get messy.

1:16:14He kept a red bandana at his desk at Sanlar O 'Neill, and one day one of his co-workers came up and says, Wells, what is it with that red bandana? Why do you always have that red bandana? And Wells picked it up and he held it up and he said, with this red bandana, I'm going to change the world. And I think he's doing that now. On 9-11, Wells covered his face with a red bandana as he put his own safety aside, walking up into the South Tower to help bring others to safety. Allison learned of her son's bravery after she read newspaper accounts from survivors who talked about being helped by a man who had his face covered with a red bandana.

1:16:55He was just fearless, really fearless. I never saw him afraid of anything. Thank you so very much, Mr. President, for this enormous honor that you've bestowed upon my son, Wells. 25 years after September 11th, his life continues to remind us of something very simple. In moments when others need us, each of us has the power to choose courage, compassion, and service. That's the real meaning of the red bandana. To be courageous. To find the good. To be the good.

1:17:35Incredible and good for President Trump for honoring him in that way. I'm sure that was a healing balm to the family, and he didn't have to do it. Trump doesn't get enough credit for his heart and his empathy for people who are suffering and who do heroic things. I mean, it's really pretty extraordinary. It makes you wonder why it hadn't happened prior to now. But God bless him, and God bless that family. The everyday heroes are the ones who really make you sit up and notice, don't they? I mean, it's like there was a story of two guys. It was—hold on a second. Their names are Brian Clark and Stanley Premnath.

1:18:16And there was a story about how Clark, Brian Clark was a volunteer fire warden on the South Tower's 84th floor. He was descending the tower and he heard Premnath calling from the devastated 81st floor. So he went to help him. I mean, again, he didn't have to do that. He could have just kept going and saved himself. That might be one's instinct, but not for Brian Clark. They wound up escaping together using Clark's flashlight to navigate the stairs. A year later, Brian Clark gave Stanley the flashlight, and it became a physical reminder of their escape and their bond. Here's a little bit more about these two from Spectrum from just the other day, September 9th.

1:19:05The plane was a couple thousand yards away. Within split seconds, it was getting larger and larger. All I remember doing was screaming, Lord, I can't do this, you take over. And I dove under the desk. And with the most thunderous sound, the plane just smashed into the building. When I got off from under the desk, the plane was there in flames. A huge chunk was stuck in my office doorway, 20 feet from where I was. The air pressure was so great it was sucking everything out. I'm gonna die. So I'm screaming, Lord please send somebody, anybody to help me. Somebody heard, on the other end of the floor.

1:19:43As I got closer to the wall, I can hear faint and the person saying, bang on the wall and I'll know where you are. So I'm hitting the wall, I can hear you now climb over. Hollow ceiling, couldn't do it. The person says try again. Think about your children, think about your family. And I made a fist as tightly as I could. my fist passed right through that drywall and I pushed my head through and the man yanked my head and I don't know how to thank this man who just saved my life and he got up and he fixed his jacket and he said and he says Brian Clark like a robot and he said something that I'll go to the grave remembering all my life I live as an only child I always wanted a brother and I find that man today.

1:20:32And this man put his hand around my shoulder. Come on, buddy, let's go home. Wow. Incredible. Good for them. Imagine having your friendship begin under those circumstances. And imagine as you evacuate the World Trade Center, fearing for your life legitimately, validly, stopping because you heard somebody and saying, I'll risk it. I'll risk my own life, my future with my family to help this other. And imagine being someone like Wells Crowther who did it over and over and over again when you had your entire life ahead of you. And he was made an honorary firefighter by the fire department in Nyack, New York, where he was from later.

1:21:18There are lots of ways to become a firefighter, as Wells proved. Stephen Siller, I've got to mention him. We did tons of work with Tunnel to Towers Foundation, and I love Frank Siller. He's part of Stephen's family, but his story was remarkable. Stephen was the father of five. He was 34 years old. He was part of Brooklyn Squad One, his firehouse. He had just finished his shift. He was on the way to play golf with his brothers when he got word over the scanner of a plane hitting the North Tower. He drove his truck to the entrance of the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel, but it had already been closed for security purposes.

1:21:59He strapped 60 pounds of gear to his back and he raced on foot through the tunnel. They believe he was in the South Tower when it collapsed. They don't know. His remains have never been recovered, but the remains of other squad one firefighters were found there. And now in his memory, Frank and his other family members have put together the Tunnel to Towers Foundation, and they do a 5K run every year on September 29th. And we've been to it. My entire team on the Kelly File ran the race together. But what you see when you run the Tunnel to Towers race is, it has nothing to do with yourself other than your eyes.

1:22:50You see this, firefighters in full gear running. You see military vets from Iraq and Afghanistan with no legs running on their prosthetics, the entire 5K without complaint. It's absolutely humbling as a human being. I encourage everybody to do it at one point in your life if you can get to New York for it. You run the exact route and you see what he did. Only Most of us do it without the 60 pounds of gear on our back, and most of us are not running to our certain death, like Stephen was. It's always the last Sunday in September, not necessarily the 29th. It's still ongoing. The foundation now, they help firefighters, first responder families who lose their loved one, law enforcement, firefighters, or military.

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1:24:29And she said, do you know you lost your legs? You said, yes. She said, do you know you lost both of your hands, too? You said, no. And your first response was, did anyone else get hurt? she said no he said good and that was the end of it pretty much I think for most of us looking at you guys and trying to understand that your first instinct was to ask whether anybody else was hurt when you just been told that you had lost your your legs in your hands we try to understand how somebody could be that strong do you have an answer well when you're over there you know you're looking up for the guys that are next to you because they're the ones who are taking care of you.

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1:29:23Todd Nicely, incredible. Stephen Siller, Jr., who was just nine months old on 9-11, is now joining Tunnel to Towers Foundation in what they're calling Steel Across America, Connecting a Nation. It's a nationwide tour that will transport an authentic steel beam from the World Trade Center to communities across the United States. Here's Stephen speaking with my old pal Major Garrett on CBS. This steel is so important. So traveling with it means the world. This steel is a visual representation of the sacrifice and bravery made by so many men and women who were facing despair, darkness and evil that day.

1:30:05They stood up and said, we're going to do better. They risked their lives to save others. So to be representing the foundation and traveling with this steel, it means the world. And for those Americans who have no living memory of this, what do you want them to know? Well, I'm one of them. So I was nine months old on September 11th. So I completely understand growing up without the depth of knowledge of what occurred that day. But you can learn and what happened should not be forgotten. You've grown up with this.

1:30:38what have you taken away from that it's been a really unique spirit experience growing up with that loss but just his story of bravery and heroism and what it's inspired in the wake of september 11th a terrible thing happened that day but so much good has happened since through the tunnel towers foundation and the work we get to do i've gotten to be a part of helping so many families now i get to travel the country teaching kids who didn't get to experience 9-11 what occurred that day and relating this steal to them it means the world look at that him todd nicely no victim mentality whatsoever just forge forward lauren manning find a way live keep living keep living not complaining They're an example to us all.

1:31:29Wow. The investigation into who committed 9-11 and how these terrorists were able to board these planes would result in the 9-11 commission, the 9-11 commission report, and so on. For now, I'm more interested in showing you this extraordinary clip of James Woods, our friend, storied actor, so accomplished, talented, telling an incredible story. And by the way, shout out to him for doing something about what happened here. I mean, it's another very courageous move. He told this story February 15th, 2002. So this is just months later on the O 'Reilly Factor. Listen to this, Saw 22. When 9-11 happened, we were all stunned, and we all happened to be at my house that evening.

1:32:24And my friend Scott said to me, you know, remember that flight you took in August? I said, yeah, I've been thinking about it all day. He said, well, maybe you should call the FBI. And I said, I'm sure they're being inundated. But I thought it over, and I called the local office. And within two minutes, got a hold of a very intelligent young man, a special agent there, who took the report, and I said, I hope I'm not wasting your time. He said, well, we have so many reports coming in. And he said, and by the way, even if this leads to something, we don't like to backwash information to people because in case they have to go to a trial and be witnesses or whatever, so you won't hear from us.

1:32:54I said, well, great. He said, but we appreciate your calling. Quarter to seven the next morning, I get a phone call that actually wakes me up, and he said, we want to talk to you about the flight that you took in August. I said, oh, did the manifest match of any of the flights yesterday and my flight? He said, well, we can't tell you that. I said, well, look, I'll get ready and I'll come down to the federal building. He said, we're outside your house. We'll just wait for you. Wow, 7.15. So this is serious. I said, and I, and this is the only funny part of any of this, I said, how do you know where I live?

1:33:21And there was a pause. He said, we're the FBI. We're the FBI. Thank you. So they came in and I said, look, I'm dying to know, were these the guys? And he said, well, we've had 36 ,000 tips in one day. And there's two of us and we're going to be at your house all this morning. So you can do the math, but we can't tell you, you know. So since then, I have identified for sure two of them as two of the terrorists who actually were not on flight 11. But one was on flight 175 and one was on flight 77. And I've been told unofficially, not by the FBI, but by someone else in a actually a higher level of government, believe it or not, just through a coincidence, through a mutual friend, that all four of them were terrorists involved.

1:33:58So it was just you and these four guys in first class. Nobody else. No, no, there was a couple of the guys. Were they nervous, too? Or was it just you taking these guys out? As I explained to the FBI, they said, what was your first instinct? And aside from certain things like four guys getting on a transcontinental flight without any hand luggage, who, it's funny, I know this behavior because I guess I'm an actor and it's kind of what I do for living. You always watch people, right? I just kind of observe people. It's something I've always been fascinated by. Sort of like the scene in Annie Hall where Woody Allen and Diane Keaton sit and watch people and sort of talk about who they might be.

1:34:28And there were four guys when the flight attendant, who was a woman, came up to them. They literally ignored her like she didn't exist, which is sort of a kind of Taliban, kind of a Taliban, you know, idea of womanhood as a, you know, not even a human being. I mean, it seems their disrespect for women is so extraordinary. And they didn't order alcohol. And they just said to me, you know, what did you think these guys were? I said, I thought they were the four law enforcement officers or four terrorists in that they had that thing that guys who are undercover or on a mission have between each other.

1:34:57and it's impossible to explain. Well, you're lucky. You're absolutely lucky that they didn't decide to do it a month before. Incredible. Incredible. He was a witness to it, and he said something. He did something about it. Unfortunately, it wasn't able to stop what happened on 9-11, but think about it. That took guts. James Woods is such a treasure. He is a national treasure. God bless him and his beautiful wife, Sarah. It's, you know, that's a lot. That's a lot to go through, to know that you were there with the terrorists and you were on the plane that was a dry run for 9-11. And he can look himself in the mirror and say, I did something about it.

1:35:40I tried to stop it. Crazy. The bin Laden raid, one of the greatest moments in U.S. military history. It happened 10 years later. It happened in May of 2011. I remember because I was on maternity leave with my daughter Yardley, who was born April 14th. And it was May, what was the date? I don't remember, May 9th, I want to say, 2011, that thanks to the tireless work of our intelligence community, we found Bin Laden hiding in a compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. and we sent SEAL Team 6 and others to go get him. Here is some footage of Americans cheering, because when the news broke late that night that we had killed bin Laden, Obama came out, people gathered spontaneously at the White House and at Ground Zero and started cheering.

1:36:46Here's a bit of that. USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! We feel really, really vindicated that we finally got him. This is our generation's VE, VJ Day. This is our generation's Victory and Enduring Freedom Day. That's what today is. I'm proud of our military and proud of our presidents, Bush and Obama. You kill innocent American people, you're going to pay the price. It's time to celebrate. It's the epitome of gratification. Here again, where at least I know I'm free. And I won't forget the man who died. We get the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands.

1:37:36One nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! It's remarkable, isn't it? Young, old Democrat, Republican together joining on the streets of America to say the pledge, to sing, to pledge their loyalty to the United States, to celebrate the death, the murder, the killing, not a murder, but the death of a hideous terrorist who's burning in hell right now. I mean, it's just what a moment. And that's really the other part of the September 11th story, is how it brought us together as a people. And boy, did it ever. Did it ever. The day after the stock exchange was closed, and it had to reopen.

1:38:43It's the U.S. Stock Exchange. and there was an urging for everyone to go and buy$1 of stock just to send a message. Did they ever? There was a question about whether the New York City Marathon should be run, which always happens in late September, or whether it would be too hard on the city or too hard on the first responders. They ran. And people were dangling flags over the bridges, running with flags around them, holding up flags. for the runners. Actually, my husband, Doug, was one of the runners that year. He wasn't even a runner. He had registered. He had forgotten that he had registered for it.

1:39:22Then he got a notice after 9-11 that he made it. He said, gosh, can I run a marathon? He said, I'm going to run the loop in Central Park. If I can do that, I've got to do this. He could run it. His feet were bloody by the end, but he was so glad he did it. It was the most patriotic he said he's ever felt. He lost a dear friend on 9-11. Baseball. They just dropped an incredible documentary on the role of baseball in helping us heal from 9-11. And even for a non-sports fan like me, you couldn't stop but appreciate baseball. You couldn't help but appreciate what the baseball world was doing to help us heal.

1:40:01No one could forget. No one. Game three of the World Series, Yankees versus Arizona Diamondbacks. The game three was the first one played back at Yankee Stadium. And George W. Bush threw out the first pitch. It was October 30th, 2001. Watch. For tonight's ceremonial first pitch. And please welcome the president of the United States.

1:40:42Thank you.

1:41:08Nailed it.

1:41:13Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you,

1:41:31Mr. President.

1:41:38What a feeling. Obviously, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney would architect a responsive strategy that would prove disastrous in many ways. We should not have gone into Iraq. We stayed too long in Afghanistan.

1:41:57But look, we needed that guy in the wake of that attack. And it's the reason many of us, even if we have problems with the foreign policy as it was played out, we'll always have a soft spot in our heart for that man, for George W. Bush, who was just a civilian who volunteered to run for office. And before he knew it, was a wartime president, commander in chief in a military response that had to happen, though perhaps not in the way it did.

1:42:28um Giuliani who now he's another one you know whose image has changed very much publicly but if you live through 9-11 you still you got you got some you got a soft spot in there for Giuliani you know it's you you can't not if you remember he became America's mayor that day and the way he handled himself on 9-11, kept cool in the storm, was a leader, was able to bring a calm to others, directed the city in a way that they desperately needed. Same thing with the messaging. He actually retraced his steps on that day with Newsmax recently, and we have a bit of it cut. Watch this. And then I could see the two towers head on.

1:43:15And I would say I stopped. and I said, oh my God, because when you see it straight on, all the way up there, the flames coming out. It's the worst side I've ever seen in my whole life. The police said, be careful. Things are coming off the building and they're going as far away as up there. By things, it was like pieces of steel, pieces of debris. As he got closer to the towers, Giuliani ran into an old friend New York City Fire Department chaplain Michael Judge when I got to about right here right over here I saw a father judge and I always had a thing with him I always would say to him father will you please pray for us so he would say no better if you pray it's more it'd be more unusual God will pay attention I said that to him I didn't get the usual humorous response.

1:44:13Instead, I got, Mayor, this is really bad. He went like this. I'm glad you have big shoulders. Keep praying. Now, he never said that to me before. Later that morning, when the South Tower collapsed, debris crashed through the North Tower lobby, killing many inside, including Father Michael Judge, who stayed until the end, praying for firefighters and administering last rites to the dead. Hmm. Father Michael Judge was another name that became a household name after 9-11. We were together in our grief and our horror and our deep sadness for our country and in our resilience and our will to go forward together, to not stay down.

1:45:03That's all that's required to be strong, to be courageous. Just don't stay down. You get knocked down, you get back up. That's it. You keep going like Lauren Manning. You make the choice. This will not be my last day. I will keep living. I have things to do. I have people to be with, people who love me, people I love here now around me who I can see and I know, or maybe just the promise of them in the future and you can see it. The unity, I mean, there's no better example of it than what happened on the steps of the U.S. Congress right after the towers went down. I mean, right after the events of 9-11 that morning.

1:45:51This was spontaneous, and it was healing, and it was something I don't think we'll ever see again. When members of the U.S. Congress came out in front of the Congress and started singing God Bless America spontaneously. Watch this.

1:46:34My home sweet home God bless America My home sweet home

1:46:55When have we seen that kind of unity amongst members of Congress since? when have we felt it as a country since a couple of moments here or there like I showed the night Bin Laden was killed but it's been rare

1:47:19I'm going to leave it at this speaking of Giuliani he was such a leader as I said and had a lot of sage commentary around 9-11 for years and years and years and whatever. I know he's gotten very political and people have problems with him, but I will always remember him for the way he behaved around this event. He said the following, The attacks of September 11th were intended to break our spirit. Instead, we have emerged stronger and more unified. We feel renewed devotion to the principles of political, economic, and religious freedom, the rule of law, and respect for human life. We are more determined than ever to live our lives in freedom.

1:48:10Right on. In memory of the thousands who died that day and in the years thereafter, from the toxic pit that became ground zero, from the sacrifice that was made on the fields of Iraq and Afghanistan and otherwise. We remember you. We remember why you died. And we will try to remember the unity that enveloped much of the country in the wake of your deaths. We'll see you Monday. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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