SCOTUS Victories for President Trump’s Immigration Agenda, and People Magazine’s RIDICULOUS Profile on the Obamas, with Bevan, Cannon, and Walworth | Ep. 1347

28:24Well, they weren't elected. They won the primaries, but they're going to be elected because there's no meaningful opposition for Dems in New York. They're not as radical as those DSAs, but they are, they're on the same path. It's, you know, different shades of red, meaning commie. We're not going to pack the Supreme Court, you loon, because you're losing now. You used to win all the time. When it's a Dem majority, you win a lot more as a Dem. What would he have said if Republicans wanted to pack the court? That never happened. Republicans haven't proposed nightmare things like that over and over and over the way the Democrats have because they tend to want to conserve things.

29:05That's generally the way conservatives view institutions and our country. Elizabeth Warren, also known as Chief Lies-A-Lot or Pocahontas, the Supreme Court is letting Trump ignore laws set by Congress and send hardworking legal immigrants, are they, into imminent danger in Haiti, Syria, and other violent countries. It's horrific. This decision is a disaster for the rule of law and a disaster for thousands of families. I mean, it's a it's not a disaster for thousands of American families. I mean, I'm sorry they have to go back to Haiti and Syria. I wouldn't want to go there either, but I'm not Haitian.

29:41I'm not Syrian. Thank God above. I'm a United States citizen. I get to stay here. I'm sorry they have to go home to the countries in which they they were born and raised like she's acting like we're shipping them off to Siberia and to some like work camp. You need to go back home now. Now, your all expenses paid vacation in the United States, courtesy of the American taxpayers, has now come to a conclusion. Goodbye. That's all Trump said. And this is the meltdown. Chuck Schumer. In a cruel and inhumane decision, the Supreme Court just turned its back on more than 300 ,000 Haitians. TPS, temporary protected status, exists for this reason.

30:27To protect people when returning home is unsafe. Haiti and Syria remain unsafe today. Instead of showing basic humanity, Donald Trump and his court have chosen fear, chaos, and cruelty. Okay, the U.S. Supreme Court doesn't choose cruelty. They decide whether they have the power to review something or not. And if the answer is yes, then they apply established legal standards for statutory or other interpretation. And then they determine whether someone has run afoul of the law. that that's all they've done here. There's no independent judgment that asylum is good or bad. Haitians, Syrians are good or bad.

31:06None of the stuff I said about culture, none of that. That is for a president to decide. He's an elected leader. He faces the voters. SCOTUS doesn't. That's all they did. So, you know, this is just an attempt to undermine faith in the judiciary at its highest level by someone who has been threatening the Supreme Court for a long, long time. Chuck Schumer. Gotta be ashamed of yourself. Here you go. More and more and more. And they will be, of course, aided and abetted in all this misinformation about how it's just a cruel Supreme Court and a racist President Trump and a racist Supreme Court for that matter, because they didn't take issue with the president's quotes, the dogs, by the media, by compliant media.

31:51And I'll give you one example. Sometimes as I'm getting ready for the show, I will put on YouTube TV and I'll just check in to see like how big issues that are breaking are being covered. And I meandered over to MS now. I don't even know who this person is, but here's the coverage I was treated to shortly before we came on today. The relevant group here is all TPS countries, all of which are non-white. And that makes its way into Justice Kagan's dissent where she says Haitians are black, Norwegians and Swedes, not so much. The references of filth, disease and primitiveness are shot through with racial stereotypes and tropes.

32:28It is hard to imagine the statements being made today of any white community. And that just stands in such stark contrast, I think, to the decision that six justices of this Supreme Court today made in saying that none of the statements out of the mouth of Trump or Kristi Noem were overtly racial enough to lend themselves to an equal protection claim on behalf of the Haitian immigrants that were contesting the termination of temporary protected status for their country. Lisa Rubin, thank you so much for breaking all that down. Some of those quotes, I've heard them all before. Sometimes they're heartbreaking to have to listen to again, frankly, but thankfully we have more time to talk about all this.

33:04Everyone is staying with me. We have another big decision that we have to dig into. Are you an idiot? My team tells me she's named Antonia Hilton. I've never heard of this person before ever. And it's obvious why don't get too attached. I'm sure she won't be making it. Um, why are you talking about how heartbreaking the quotes are? Fuck off when no one's paying you for your opinion in the middle of the day on MSNBC over there, they're actually still pretending to be news during the day. Did you know that they actually want you to believe that these are news anchors, straight news anchors during the daytime on MS Now.

33:38Well, that's, you're heartbroken? What? Get it together, Antonia. Her, oh, her aunt is Soledad O 'Brien. My team just sent me that. Her aunt is Soledad O 'Brien. Yeah, sensing a pattern here. I love that they're zeroing in on Norway and Sweden. How dare, like we would take immigrants from there. Have you been to Norway or Sweden? We were there in June of 2024, literally two years ago. You could eat off the sidewalks. They are so clean. I mean, Norway in particular is like, it's got the fjords. It's got water that you could splash all over your face and immerse your newborn baby in. Unlike where I grew up, going to my grandparents' boatyard on the Hudson River.

34:26Um, but Norway is as clean as clean can get. Everybody spends their time outdoors, even though it's zero degrees most of the year there. And it's pristine. Sweden too. Sweden's had an immigrant problem. Most of their crime is attributed to the immigrants and now they're cracking down on them. Now they're deporting. Now they're, they've stopped for a while now importing. Um, but they're suffering some of the same problems we are because they tried the same experiments that we did under Joe Biden and really just were following Europe's lead on allowing all these Syrian refugees to go in, so-called refugees to go in, and suffering the same consequences.

35:03So it's not about skin color. There are plenty of like native, whatever, Norwegians and Danes for that matter, and Swedes who aren't white, who've been immigrated with different families over the years who have grown up in that culture and have the same values as the others do. But these whole countries like Haiti, it is a shithole. I'm sorry. That's why the people don't want to be there. It's not because the people are black that it's a shithole. Obviously not. We have a very large black population in the United States. They don't make the United States a shithole. This isn't about the race of the people.

35:43It's about the country, the customs and the culture. Sorry, the way it is. And all of it's bullshit anyway, because these Elena Kagan doesn't want a bunch of immigrants from Cuba, even though they're all brown. She doesn't want them because they're going to vote Republican. That's why Cuban Americans tend to be the most Republican among Republicans and certainly among Hispanics. That's why that's the one country they're like, oh, I don't know about that. They're not talking about making Cuba the 51st state. It's only Puerto Rico, D.C., the places they can control in terms of its, you know, left-leaning politics.

36:17So whatever, right? Spare me. Here's one more coming in. Representative Summer Lee, she's a squad. Either she's like on the squad or squad light. This extremist Supreme Court just gave Trump the green light to block asylum seekers at the border, which again is a good thing. That was the first decision. And end TPS protections for Haitians and Syrians. People fleeing danger deserve compassion, not cruelty. Yes, and we gave it to them. We gave it to them for many, many, many years. Summer. Perhaps given the nature of your name, you understand that there is a season for all behaviors. And allowing people to come into your country to flee danger is such a season.

36:57Does the season go on beyond 15, 16 years? I feel like it's kind of over. I feel like no season lasts more than a few months at most. people fleeing danger deserve compassion, not cruelty. We must reform and expand the court immediately. God, these people are so dumb. She's from Pennsylvania. It's tough. And now my team tells me Antonia Hilton, who is so heartbroken at hearing those quotes, she went to Harvard. I mean, honestly, like I put my Syracuse University degree up against these Harvard morons any day of the week. They actually just gave me a solid liberal arts education. They didn't try to indoctrinate me there, nor at my law school.

37:42I was in college at a different time. There were a couple of incidents, but certainly not enough to make me a far left, you know, pinko commie. Unlike Antonia, who feels, I mean, she's clearly new to the business. I'm going to give you a little lesson. When you are playing the role, sweetheart, of a straight news anchor, you don't say things like, oh, those quotes that the losing justice brought up are heartbreaking when it is disputable whether they are or they aren't. You can say heartbreaking if you see a tragic story where someone has been killed or hurt. You can see a maimed American on a stretcher.

38:21Yeah, there you can do it, Antonia. But when you're talking about disputed quotes, the context of which is not rendered in full, appearing in a dissent, so it's the losing side, which obviously has an ax to grind, you might want to think twice about expressing your personal opinion, trying to impress your woke bettors over at MS Now. Okay? So that's the Supreme Court today. Great news. I've said before, I say again, it is one of the bright spots right now in American politics. When I go to bed at night and I'm feeling bad about the country and the direction it's headed in or whatever, the political infighting, I think about the Supreme Court and I feel better.

39:01I guess that doesn't say very good things about me and my nighttime dreams. But I do feel grateful for the Supreme Court because I've lived through too many years where we had a not great one and just in general, problematic judiciary. And it's wonderful to know that they're there and that they're a backstop. Okay, I want to give you a couple of other updates before we bring in our CP, including in the Carmelo Anthony case. We'll get to it right after this. Our sponsor, the Electronic Payments Coalition, says Washington politicians are always getting in your wallet and that now they're messing with your credit card.

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41:24Okay, so let me tell you what's happening in Carmelo Anthony. He lawyered up for his appeal with a bunch of these, they're like these higher powered, very race-based lawyers, like one guy who was chief of staff for Benjamin Crump, who's basically Al Sharpton by another name. And one of them is named Justin Moore. And we just had something extraordinary happen. This is the new appellate lawyer, okay, one of, I think, five or six. And he posted something online, which he then deleted almost immediately, but not soon enough. And here's what it reads. 35 years, they showed no mercy. He's clearly referring to the jury because that's the sentence that Carmelo Anthony got.

42:16Kind of hard to when the defendant's parents had a press conference mocking the dead victim's father right after the incident. We'll show you that tape in a minute. Y 'all non-lawyers can argue about if he were guilty or not. Most real lawyers realize this was a punishment case from the beginning. What he's saying is we all knew he was guilty. The only real opportunity for good lawyering was on getting the sentence reduced, you know, throwing yourself in the mercy of the court, painting him as a sympathetic person, what have you. This is his appellate lawyer who's about to go in there and argue that it was a biased jury because there were there were no black people and three black jurors got struck unfairly and with these peremptory challenges or it like this guy is about to make that argument to us to an appellate court meanwhile he's saying right here we all knew he was guilty it's just a question about punishment that's all and and of course the jury of course they didn't show mercy when the defendant's father mocked the decedent's father at a press tour.

43:25This is very unhelpful to Carmelo Anthony's appellate chances. He goes on to say, with that being the case, you simply don't run around going on a press tour touting a false narrative. The false narrative is clearly the racial narrative. That's what the family had been touting and has been dominating the airwaves since the verdict and the one they're clearly getting ready to raise on appeal around those black jurors being bounced. This is unbelievable. He's like on our side. I'm pissed, he writes. And it's the people that were around Carmelo who sold this story to folks trying to sell racism for personal gain.

44:07Y 'all really showed out this time. I mean, welcome to Team Reason, Justin Moore. It's great to have you. um he's right he's right about what he's saying however it's not helpful to the defendant whom is his client okay whom he represents uh who is his client and whom he represents so this went up and then it came right back down and now we've looked into this guy Justin Moore. And it turns out Justin, he's a trial lawyer. His focus is on criminal defense, post-conviction advocacy, complex litigation. Okay. He's worked on a bunch of cases where he's gotten sentences overturned, that kind of thing that he's, he's trying to work with civil rights leaders and so on to represent them.

44:55But also it turns out Justin had a brief stint in, as an assistant district attorney, and it didn't last very long because he was accused of DWI. Do we have that? Is that a SOT? Hold on, I'm just looking at my list here. Yeah, we do. Okay, so here in SOT 6 is Justin Moore, seen during the DUI stop, and this is 2015. They're, unlike here playing the race card watch around 2 30 a.m dallas police pulled more over on 67 near ledbetter for swerving through lanes officers say they can smell alcohol on his breath and minutes later you hear more try to tell them who he is We've got an assistant attorney out here, and I'd just like to have a supervisor out here because he's threatening us, saying I'm going to get fired for arresting me and all this and that.

45:59In the video, you hear police eventually move Moore to the back of the squad car as his is towed away. Moore claims his arrest comes down to race. Are you guys, are you guys really listening? Are you guys KKK? You can hear officers remind him he's being recorded, but in the moment, he seems to defiantly accept his fate.

46:26It was, and he was fired. Okay, the case was ultimately dismissed. He lawyered up. He lost his job. I'm going to guess they thought that was sufficient punishment for him. But there you hear him on that police body cam saying, we've got a district attorney out here. I just would like to have a supervisor out here because he's threatening us saying I'm going to get you fired for arresting me. And the officers can be heard moving more to the back of the squad car as his vehicle is towed away and more is heard claiming his arrest comes down to race. Are you guys members of the KKK? Are you KKK? He asks.

46:59And then he calls an officer and Uncle Tom. They tell him you're being recorded. He says, I hope I get fired. I don't want to be a part of the effing Dallas County with this blank. and I hope this is on blank in camera too. It was and he was fired. So now we see what the background was that got him hired as Carmelo Anthony's appellate lawyer. But his tweet certainly seems a lot more reasonable and less of a race baby than he was in 2015. And here's the moment that he's referring to when he says, of course, of course, the jury had no sympathy and no mercy for Carmelo. Kind of hard when the defendant's parents had a press conference mocking the dead victim's father right after the incident.

47:45Remember this? We showed it at the time. Sot 3 with the parents lurking behind their representative Dominique Alexander, the biggest race hustler in the entire case. Watch this. Jeff Metcalf had shown up at the presser and he didn't like that. What we've seen at the beginning of this press conference, of the father being at this press conference, is a disrespect to the dignity of his son. is that was disrespectful and just shows you all the character who was not invited. He knows that it's inappropriate to be near this family, but he did. And so I say to people, actions speak louder than words.

48:39okay what he has failed into is the political operatives that want to make this thing a political thing of hate yet bigotry and yet racism oh my god we have conservative operatives that have been posting non-stop like did the parents object did the parents say stop that Dominique, stop. He's a suffering father, just like we are. No, no, no. They allowed it all. Okay. One other update in that case. A disgusting thing is happening on TikTok, the same as after Charlie died, where they're celebrating Austin's murder, making light of it and dancing to it, along with a, quote, viral rap song called Austin Bop.

49:37Watch.

50:30This is so sweet. sick. For the record, it happened to be all black people. They're teens from the look of it, maybe young 20s in that last case. The words are Austin Bopp knife had blood on the tip when he dropped coughing up blood. You think he got Ebola. That song was uploaded to Apple Music on June 10th, the day after Anthony was convicted. According to libs of TikTok, the song was also on Spotify, but it's not currently. The artist is some little known 600 naughty, which has one album released in March and the artist topic page on YouTube only has 236 followers, but the kids on TikTok love it.

51:05They love making light of Austin's murder. Um, they have a post of him under this 600 naughty that shows Austin Metcalf's face and a sign that reads, I learned my lesson that accompanies that single. It's so sad what we've become. I mean, Lucy Martinez is still working in, was it a preschool in Chicago? The one who did the fake shooting into her neck as the Charlie Kirk is the turning point vehicle went by. There have been so many people who've done this in the wake of Charlie's death. And now we see this in the wake of Austin Metcalfe's death. And he was a civilian. He wasn't political. He wasn't doing anything.

51:48He literally did nothing wrong. We got to find our soul. We got to get back into those church pews and pray for enlightenment. and in the case of these kids, forgiveness. And their parents need to step in and remind them of what love is, what kindness is, what the Lord wants of us all. We'll be right back. There's something refreshing about a company that focuses on integrity and hard work. With Brooklyn Bedding, I know they built my Aurora Luxe mattress, which I love in the USA, with high quality materials and real attention to detail. It's that classic American ethos, do the job right, stand behind your product, and build something that lasts.

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53:20Joining me now are pals from RealClearPolitics, Tom Bevin. He's the co-founder and president of RCP, Carl Cannon. He's the Washington Bureau Chief at RealClear. And Andrew Walworth, RealClear's Chief Content Officer. Great to see you guys. Let's start with SCOTUS and the big decisions today. We've been talking about it because it's an excuse to revisit. They're eating the dogs. They're eating the cats. And that whole thing sprung a thousand memes, which, why not? Let's just take a walk down memory lane, because it's what led to this whole business at the Supreme Court that was resolved in Trump's favor.

54:02Watch. They're eating the dogs, the people that came in. They're eating the cats. They're eating They're eating the pets of the people that live there.

54:38The cats don't want to talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it. In Springfield, they're eating the dogs. They're eating the cats. They're eating the pets. And this is what's happened in the country. They're eating the dogs. They're eating the cats. They're eating the pets. And this is what's happened in the country.

55:06That's just good, clean fun. Good, clean fun. Now what happened, Tom Bevin, is Democrats try to argue those were all racist statements that showed Trump's racial animus toward Haitians. And by the way, they said he's also racially animus. He holds it against Syrians and that therefore his effort to end their temporary protected status needed to be overruled by this this Supreme Court. and the high court was not having it in a 6-3 decision saying, nice try. But no, it's the executive decision and we actually don't review that. That's up to him. That's not a Supreme Court call. Thank God, because we had too many years and too many decisions where the people in the robes, unlike Antonin Scalia, who said, what do you mean?

55:49There's nine people up here in robes. Why do you want them to decide these things? You got to go to the people who you elected. These types of issues get decided by those people who are accountable to you every two, four, or six years. And finally, you have a Supreme Court that gets it. Your thoughts? Yeah, I mean, this and the other the other Supreme Court decision on the asylum claims that came out today. Both were six three. All three female liberal justices on the court seem to think that we're opposed to these decisions. Right. Want people to be able to say, you know, Jamie Coney Barrett is in the majority.

56:22And well, OK, touche, Megan. I'm going to say like one woman on the court did the right thing. said women i said liberal uh but no but it it's it's a sort of good example of how the how liberals and conservatives view i think immigration on the one hand the three liberal justices think that you know you can you can claim asylum even if you're not physically in the country and the court said no that's not true and then the other one and we we talked about this on our show a little bit i mean the temporary protected status was given to the haitians in 2010 for an earthquake it was given to the syrians in 2012.

57:01temporary protected status was never meant to be forever and uh so you know in in that sense i think it was uh a good decision on the court uh by the court to say hey this is not this is not our purview but also to say to point out the fact that um you know there shouldn't be temporary protected status should not be forever um that's something that that has been abused. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's in the title, but it's been abused badly for years and years. But Carl, we're having a leftist meltdown now that's already cued talks of we need to reform the Supreme Court and pack the Supreme Court.

57:40I mean, this is where they go knee jerk. It's like the one court they don't control. They control most of the circuit courts, the liberals in the country. They certainly control a lot of federal district court judges, as we've seen in Trump's first year and a half. But they don't control the U.S. Supreme Court right now. So it needs to be packed or, quote, reformed as a result of these decisions. Yeah. You know, I was wondering about this case because I didn't think it was that difficult a case. You know, these executive orders or orders of Congress that, as Tom said, you know, they're issued 15 years ago.

58:09Why can't an administration change them? Someone has to be able to, someone has to have the authority to change them. And I was wondering if it wasn't 6-3 and I was thinking, well, I'm curious what you think, Megan. Would Elaine Kagan even have voted that way. Is it an easy vote for her because she stays out of the crosshairs of the progressives because she knows that it's going to pass? And Sotomayor, I mean, I don't know if you saw it, Megan, but Haiti just got demolished by Morocco in the World Cup. And they had such a bad week. Maybe she just felt sorry for them, but it wasn't. I'm sure it'll be in their next petition for temporary protection status.

58:47Another devastation. Well, they've had a bad week. I feel for him. That's the thing, Andrew. This will be spun. This will be spun. I mean, it's being spun right now over on MSNBC as like, this is heartbreaking. Trump's racism permitted by this, you know, compliant Supreme Court, as opposed to what Tom said, like temporary, temporary 2010. It's now 2026. And we're not the world's babysitter. We don't have to protect and care for the toddlers forevermore. We got them through their difficult period. Now, sadly for them, they're Haitian, so they have to go home. It's a brushback to court power, which is always a good thing in my view.

59:30But, you know, I'm always struck by like Hakeem Jeffries. I think he only can say illegitimate Supreme Court. He cannot call it just the Supreme Court. And I do think that that's a danger. I mean, the one thing that the Democrats are doing is sort of illegitimizing the one body that Americans, at least for a long time, still had some faith in. So, you know, I think that what you'll see is, you know, when they get rid of the filibuster, they will pack the courtship, like you say. And I think that's coming as soon as they gain power. And every time one of these things happens. The biggest constitutional crisis we've had in 50, 75 years.

1:00:13Megan, can I ask you a question about that? Suppose they get the Senate and in two years, just war gaming out three years, they get the presidency and they do this. They add, I don't know, four or five seats to the Supreme Court. What's to prevent the – why don't they think that the Republicans then, when they took power, would then appoint not four or five, but 15 conservative judges? Why do they think this would be the end of it? That's what I don't understand about this constant tit for tat and constant escalation by these two parties. No, these are not well thought out plans. I mean, it's honestly it's sort of similar to what's happening on Team GOP right now, where they're saying, let's get rid of the filibuster because, you know, it protects minority rights in the Senate.

1:00:57And the Republicans are probably soon going to be minority in the Senate, if not this midterms, then in 2028. with things that may be what john thune is thinking right average shot yeah yeah i mean i know it's controversial because it's much more red meat satisfying to say eff it get rid of the filibuster shove through the save act then then the filibuster's gone there's no minority rights and as soon as we have a democrat president with a democrat-controlled senate in house they're going to undo the save act if it can be done with the wave of a wand and 51 votes it can be undone but meghan is 51 votes and then the filibuster's gone forever i was gonna say is there any doubt in your mind if Democrats take the Senate?

1:01:36And this is Trump's argument. It's like, you guys are being foolish because as soon as the Democrats take the Senate, they're going to do away with the filibuster. I mean, is there any question in your mind that's what they'd do if they win the Senate? There's some question. Okay. Yeah. I mean, there are still some more moderate Democrats who I think might be the McConnell, Murkowski, Collins, Angus King. I'm just like not totally convinced that every Democrat would vote for that. And you are going to need all of them to vote for that in order to make it happen. And I don't I'm just like maybe a traditionalist in this regard.

1:02:13I just think minority rights do matter. It's like that slowing things down in the U.S. Senate has helped Republicans far more than it's helped Dems. Dems are the ones who want to push through everything, want to make a law about everything. Republicans are kind of like, leave me alone, get government off my back for the most part. And so the Democrats are the ones who use legislation way more. And the Republicans are in the minority trying to use their filibuster to stop it. I just think like who's going to hurt more as a result of no more filibuster. And I think it's going to be the GOP. So we'll see.

1:02:44OK, let's keep going, because what happened yesterday was fascinating in in New York, alarming, disturbing and fascinating from a political standpoint. Here's Van Jones. This is before we had the final results, but he saw it coming and he made a good prediction on it. Here's thought seven. Well, New York City matters because the two most exciting left-wing candidates are here, AOC and Mamdani. But also, this is the stronghold for the establishment, Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries. This is a battle between the establishment and this insurgency. And the roof is collapsing on the Democratic Party establishment tonight.

1:03:24If Mamdani gets a hat trick, three out of three, this is a new era for the Democratic Party. And you can't write off New York City because this is the place where both it's a power center for the establishment and the insurgency. And they're going head to head tonight. And right now, this is not no longer a movement. This is a movement and a machine at the same time. And there's just no way to sugarcoat this if Mamdani pulls off a hat trick. It is a new era in Democratic Party politics. And, Andrew, he did. He did pull it off. And now, as the kids say, he has aura. He's got some swagger as a kingmaker instead of being this weirdo that just these crazy libs in New York City elected.

1:04:09Yeah, he's got the juice right now. It is interesting how much of how the local and the national have come together in New York. We've got Hakeem Jeffries and you've got AOC, you know, all these sort of politicians sort of in one place about this. And, you know, Hakeem Jeffries has said, oh, well, what does it matter what happened to these deep blue, couple deep blue districts inside New York? It matters a lot because nationally, the Republicans will try to tie the party to these far left candidates who are all going to say crazy things. They've already said crazy things. And at the same time, if you're a Democrat, a centrist Democrat, you've got to be really worried right now that you'll get primaried tomorrow by some 22-year-old or 25-year-old graduate student from Columbia, and they'll win.

1:05:05It's crazy. But this is the state of the Democratic Party right now, and I think if you're a centrist Democrat, you should really be worried right now. Well, Andy, we had Henry Olson on our show yesterday, Megan. Not just centrist Democrats. This is a very liberal Democrat. This guy who was - Oh, yeah, Goldman. Well, Dan Goldman, he led the impeachment against Trump. The other guy was the head of the Hispanic Caucus who said he was rooting for Mexico in the World Cup. These are not moderate people. These are very, very liberal people who are challenged by very radical left-wing people. And what Henry Olson said on our show is that the ripple effects of this are that every Democrat in the House now, all Hakeem Jeffries' conference is going to be looking over their shoulder.

1:05:49And if they disagree with the progressives on anything, as you said, Andy, some college student will rise up and challenge them. And the DSA, which Van Jones correctly says, not just a movement, but also a machine, will mobilize all these young people in their districts to vote against them. So the Democratic Party has a real reckoning within the Democratic Party now. Now, they've been we've been talking in the mainstream media for 10 years now how Trump wrecked the Republican Party. What do they think this is doing to the Democratic Party? You know, Tom, I heard you guys talking yesterday about the Israel factor.

1:06:25And I mean, if I were a Democrat running for office against one of these DSA candidates, I would make perfectly perfectly clear that I don't support more aid to Israel and I don't support APEC's influence over American politicians. I would not let anybody get to my left on that issue because you will lose as a Democrat now. You cannot be in yesterday's Democrat party on Israel or you're going to lose if you're running against one of these DSA candidates in one of these districts that's liberal. But you are making the point that the post-October 7th sympathy from the left is basically gone for Israel.

1:07:02and now it's been replaced by hostility from the left and even on the right. And the reason it jumped out at me, among others, is because it was a year ago, Tom, it was a year ago, it was last summer, when I made that point myself to Piers Morgan on his show. And I said it as an Israel supporter. I said Israel's lost all the support of the Democrats and the independents are gone. The polls were showing it. That turned on Israel. and the polls are showing that Republicans are starting to turn. It was like some 6 % had turned and it had gone up to like 9%. But it was starting and you could see the trend and now it's more like 20 plus percent.

1:07:44The Iran war has since happened, which also didn't help. And that was the first time people started calling me an anti-Semite just for saying that. And I remember saying, Sid Rosenberg, a friend of mine in New York, broadcaster, was like, why would you say such a thing? I said, Sid, I say it as an Israel supporter. I don't want this to happen, but I'm telling you it's happening. This is a political reality. So Israel needs to wrap it up and keep itself out of the headlines. Well, it went a different way. And look what's happened as a result. Good luck finding any Democrat, really, who's pro-Israel now, pro-APAC, never mind, independence too.

1:08:22And that same sentiment is only growing in the wake of Iran amongst the GOP. So where does this go a year from now or even less than that, a few months from now in the midterms? Yeah, I mean, one of the interesting things about that race, the golden race, was that APAC stayed out of it. They didn't get involved. They kind of knew and they know that their involvement in these primaries, whether Democrat or Republican, has now gotten to the point where it's counterproductive. And so you had, and again, we talked about this before, Dan Goldman and Brad Lander agree on pretty much everything. But Lander managed to, to your point, to get to the left, call himself a progressive Zionist and attack Dan Goldman on that issue.

1:09:09And look, we're seeing that not just in these house races. We're seeing that in the Michigan race. El Syed, for example, is attacking Haley Stevens as getting support from APAC. I mean, they're using it and have been using it for years. He's running for the Democratic primary for the U.S. Senate seat in Michigan. Correct. And he's doing well against two more establishment Dems. Chris Van Hollen just endorsed him about an hour ago. So along with Bernie Sanders. And he's campaigned with - Graham Plattner said all that same stuff too in Maine, Tom. Yeah. I mean, Graham Plattner said it about Susan Collins.

1:09:41Exactly. So it is now a standard part of the Democratic playbook and it's been effective. And so to your point, I think we've also seen, we saw it in the Massey race on the Republican side. There was a lot of talk about AIPAC and all that money. And so I don't know exactly where this ends up, but it certainly has, it's a development that I think has people concerned because there's, you know, using AIPAC is just sort of like a blanket. it, I mean, what people really, I think what Democrats really mean when they talk about AIPAC is they're saying Jews, basically. They're not making a distinction between, listen, I disagree with Bibi Netanyahu.

1:10:21I don't like him. I want to see him gone. Or, you know, the policy necessarily. It's used in a much more broad term that I think has a lot of people concerned. I think if you're talking about the Ilhan Omars of the world, you're totally right. But I think the anti-Israeli government sentiment is widespread and heartfelt and not about Jews. When I think of AIPAC now, I think about a group that's more concerned with Israeli interests than American, that's trying to manipulate American politicians to vote in a way that's good for Israel, irrespective of whether it's good for the U.S. That's what I think.

1:10:55And I don't want them having any influence over our politicians. And I have been an equal opportunity critic. I've spent years railing on CARE. I'm not I'm not a big fan of them either. I I want our politicians to be voting on our concerns. What's in the best interest for us Americans. And I'm sick of these politicians doing the bidding of other countries. Go ahead, Andrew. Well, in answer to your original question, where will we be a year from now? A lot will depend on what happens in November. I mean, if Plattner loses, if Abdul Lassiz loses, you may. And they lose the chance to take over the Senate because of that.

1:11:35There may be a rethinking on the Democratic side. I mean, I would not count the moderates totally out right now. I do think there's some merit to the argument that, hey, these are a couple very blue districts. And what happens? I'm laughing at you. Well, we have this running joke on our show. We want to do a branded segment called Carl's Naive Moments. And I'm just laughing because this is Andy's naive moment here. Wait, wait, wait. You don't think that if Plattner loses his decision in college. Carl, they caught the crossfire. He didn't even say anything. Go ahead, Andy. Megan, I love you too much to engage in this conversation.

1:12:13Well, I will engage. Wait, let's go back to Andy's point. Andy's point is these races are not settled yet. Correct. Thank you. Carl and Andy are naive together on this. Well, I'll say it is widely considered the weakest nominee in that field. He may get the nomination. It'll be a test. He may win anyway. Plattner, the Democrats. It is Michigan. That's right. And the Democrats are stuck with Plattner. And he said so many things that are out there, you know, and he's got this machine behind him, Bernie Sanders behind him. He's a socialist. He talks about not just the Iran war, but the Iraq war. So there's not.

1:12:49And he wants to pack the Supreme Court. That's right. That's right. He wants to do that. But if it comes down, if the Democrats do the impossible and carry, you know, Texas or Alaska, and they lose because they don't get control of the Senate because they nominated one of these lefties in Maine or Michigan, that's what Annie's talking about. We don't know how this is going to work out. And so there may be, you know, there may be a middle ground here. Kamala Harris ran, in my mind, not a great campaign when she was the presidential nominee. She didn't hold a single press conference. But one thing she did in Chicago when she talked about this issue was she spoke, I thought, smartly and empathetically about both Palestinians and Israelis.

1:13:29And depending on what happens in November, the Democrats, what Andy suggested, and I think this is a possibility, they may move back towards that. It doesn't have to be all in on Israel. It doesn't have to be this bashing of Zionism. They could have a more nuanced position, but whether they do will depend, I think, on whether they control the Senate or not. That's an interesting point. I don't really agree because the numbers of Democrats, like Democrats' approval of Israel and of U.S. involvement, like the partnership with Israel, are so, it's like 80, 90 percent against. It's not marginal. Their voters do not support Israel.

1:14:09Especially the young ones. The politicians are going to respond. It's a straight demographic. The young ones feel it ardently on the Republican side, too. A majority of young Republicans are opposed to the alliance we have with Israel, don't want any more aid going to Israel and are sick of Israel getting us involved in what they see as its problems. But isn't that a lot of that because of the war right now? Yes. On the Republican side, yes. But the Democrats have seen Gaza as a genocide almost from 10-8. Exactly. They turned immediately. I'm with Megan on this, so it's a 2-2 tie. We've got to get somebody to break the tie.

1:14:46Yeah. But look, I think that Israel is no longer avoidable. It is going to be a huge issue in 2026 and beyond. And I do think that the presidential contest is going to be shaken up by that issue in a way we have never seen before in America. And I think you're going to see all Democrat politicians try to make sure no one can get to their left on Israel. Now, unfortunately, here's my view. Here's my view. I don't hate Israel. I don't hate Netanyahu. I just I want him to worry about his stuff and let us worry about our concerns. However, unfortunately, what's happening is there is such an animus toward Israel right now, or at least its government, that we're going full, hardcore, radical Islamist in our in our electoral politics, which is that's not the solution, my friends.

1:15:37that we should not be going from like apex everywhere to now we've got the muslim call to prayer three times a day whatever times a day it is five and have to deal with women's five thank you like the chevalier who not only you mentioned that the hispanic guy who was defeated uh the chairman of the hispanic democratic caucus was rooting for for a country other than the united states in the world cup so she she said she's rooting for senegal oh okay you're the one Yeah, that's what she said. I mentioned on our show yesterday. You got to see this. This is the woman who just won the Chevalier. Rich Lowry did a bit on National Review on their website, their YouTube channel, outlining this exchange that she had with a reporter on what to do with an accused murderer.

1:16:21A hypothetical. Watch this. She recently sat down for a session with New York journalists who asked her about a murder case. Here's some of it. What should happen to somebody who's killed somebody else? I mean, I went to a sentencing last week. A man killed another man, didn't know the person, just sitting on a stoop, got an 18-year prison sentence. Should that person not go to prison? And what should happen instead? So, you know, she replies, for prison abolitionists, I think a lot of folks misunderstand what the vision of the world actually is. There's one that actually centers this question of harm at the heart of what we're asking is, what?

1:16:53Why is it that there is so much harm in our society? Another journalist follows up, but what would you do to the murderer, though? But, and so I'm trying to answer the question, which is that what we do is that we then put people behind bars in incredibly traumatizing conditions. Doesn't answer. Another follow-up. But did we answer what happens to the murderer? Do you not incarcerate the murderer? You know, again, I'm talking about this question between the distance between the world we want to see and the world that we're at. Again, doesn't answer. Yet another follow-up. But can you get a little less abstract?

1:17:21Like she was watching a jury vote on the guy's guilty. Should he be sentenced or not? Well, this is what I'm saying, is that when that happens, and as someone who has sat in so many courtrooms to me, all that's tragic. The fact that the murder happened is tragic. The fact that there was a circumstance in which that could even come to pass is tragic. And all that is a reflection of systems that allow that circumstance to be possible. And so, you know, I've always focused my attention on how do we create systems where that's not even the possibility. Well, Megan. I mean, that brings it home. We're going to create systems.

1:17:55Well, Cain slew Abel. So this is, you have to go way back to find, to get to a point in society where people weren't killing one another. But I hear that, and it dawns on me why it's taken her 15 years to get her doctorate degree. She's not, she's very ponderous. That's the most charitable interpretation ever, that exchange. Can you believe that, Tom? Why? Why is there so much harm in our society? That's the question she wants answered in the wake of a man being accused of murder. It's incredibly jails have incredibly traumatizing conditions. And that's the view of a prison abolitionist. That's that's what she calls herself.

1:18:41This woman is going to be our next congresswoman. She's going to win the general very clearly. That's so radical. Like, I just I'm so there's got to be a place in between. I take a bunch of APAC money and I want to do everything that Netanyahu wants me to do. And Muslim call to prayer five times a day, prison abolitionist. I'm much more worried about the harm that the murderer suffered growing up than the harm he committed to his victim. Yeah, I mean, that's, look, I think if we focus too much on just like the Israel thing and the AIPAC thing, we sort of lose sight of the broader picture, which is this woman and the other two folks, or at least one of the other folks, these are Marxists, these are communists, they want to tear down Western civilization, sort of writ large, all of the institutions, right?

1:19:31They want to abolish ISIS, they want to abolish prisons, they want to do away with all of these things. and and that's what makes them sort of you know there's the progressive movement and there's the democratic socialists and then there's and then there you know we were saying uh i said earlier like the communists don't have their nose under the tent of the democratic party they're in the tent right they're already inside the tent now and uh all of these folks hakeem jeffries and everybody who who are unwilling to sort of push back on that are just saying look we're a big tent party we got it you know it's just a different viewpoint so it's one it's one little district um that is the way you find yourself with a real problem where you have a caucus inside the democratic party that is that is anti-american it's it's anti-western civilization um and they are working actively to try and that's when the democratic brand is going to start suffering right and i think that's what centrist democrats are pulling their hair out about right now and it's only going to get worse the more these people go on TV and say these crazy things.

1:20:37Crazy, crazy things. You saw, Carl, that they had this woman, Chevalier, she won with young and college educated and white and that her opponent won with minorities, blacks and Hispanics in the district. This makes perfect sense to me because that particular district starts around the 100 block of the Upper West Side. I lived about 14 blocks away from that and it's a very nice neighborhood. It's, you know, totally gentrified. It's beautiful. And it's very good neighborhood up for another maybe 20 blocks. And then it starts to get a little bit more crime ridden and has more minorities and the housing's a little cheaper.

1:21:14And all those people need cops and they like cops, notwithstanding what we hear from the BLMers. And it was the white people who live 14 blocks north of where I did, who voted this nutcase in with her prison abolitionist stuff and she doesn't want to just defund the cops. She wants to get rid of cops. And frankly, I think she wants to get rid of America. Well, that's what Andy wrote a piece for us this week about Antonio Gramsci, the long dead Italian communist who Mom Donnie quoted reverentially. And that was what he wanted to do. Because the economic revolution had not arrived on time, he's writing in the 1920s, he thought, well, we just have to tear down the institutions that keep people happy, the church, the family, the state.

1:22:00And this is not me. This is the guy he quoted, Mamdami, and these are his candidates. But beyond sort of the nuttery, when you get to a point where she won't answer a question about somebody, this guy was convicted of murdering someone he didn't know he was given 18 years. She was asked if that's appropriate and wouldn't answer. It comes to a point where you're talking about people who seem incapable of abstract reasoning. Because the question the interlocutor was too polite to ask, what if someone shot you in the head? Would you think that they should be punished? Or should they be allowed to just go around and shoot anybody whose political views they don't like?

1:22:38I mean, that sounds absurd, but that's the kind of absurdity that comes to mind when you talk about a person who won't answer a question about incarceration or murder. The other point, Megan, we talked about it. And just quickly, her response was basically, Carl, hurt people, hurt people. I know. I know. But the other thing is, I was thinking and we talked about this briefly. We didn't really get to touch on. I'm curious what you think. If you don't believe in in police department, you don't believe in the government, you don't believe in the U.S. military, you don't believe in borders. You don't believe in the right of the United States to project military power abroad to defend its own interests and its own people, its own values.

1:23:17and you think we had to open borders. What you're really saying, it seems to me, is you don't respect the sovereignty of the United States. You don't really believe in the country, the nation. And they don't say that like that, but that seems the obvious implication. They don't really even believe in the idea. Yeah. Can I make one more quick point about her? Yes, please. She was on MS Now the other night talking about how she, the affordability thing was really personal to her because she was wondering how she could make ends meet to live in the city that she loves so much. And then you realize that she went to college in 2012, and she's been basically a professional student ever since, for 14 years.

1:23:59She never held a job. She went to Columbia. Yeah. And now she converted to Islam, because that's what happens. Great job, Columbia. And guess what? It's the firefighters and the police and the plumbers that are going to end up paying her student loans when she wants forgiveness for the, I'm sure, hundreds of thousands of dollars that she's racked up. And, you know, she's sorry that she can't afford her$5 matchas on the Upper West Side. I mean, it's just, it's beyond parody. Well, you know, just so true. Wait, Andrew, I got one for you. You probably saw this, but the former Democratic National Committee head, Jamie Harrison, wrote in a subtweet, I say this with no ill will or animosity.

1:24:39If you hate the Democratic Party, then please don't run for our nomination. Don't use our resources. Don't rely on our volunteers. Don't use our infrastructure. Don't ask Democrats to invest their time, money and energy in your campaign. Focus on building the party you actually support. This is a very interesting plea. I get it. I see why he's upset, but that's not the way it works. These DSA nutcases know very well they'll do much better taking over an existing party than starting from scratch on a new one. and they're getting better and better at actually doing it. I mean, it's not a huge number.

1:25:17They've got, what, six now, either in or on their way to Congress. But they're not going to listen to Jamie Harrison. No. I mean, Carl mentioned Gramsci, and I wrote a piece about this. But part of the socialist playbook, if you will, is to form these alliances with groups that you don't necessarily think they would ally with. because the idea is to sort of move the revolution forward, and you do that by striking these alliances. So when you hear of, like, you know, why are they allied with Muslims? Why are they allied with gays? It's all because it serves this greater purpose that Carl pointed out, which is basically you're trying to tear down the basic institutions of Western society, including the family, organized religion, the church.

1:26:06um so he completely is misunderstanding the strategy behind what the socialists are doing here it's textbook and um if i were just to bring into politics for a minute if i were aoc right now i would be worried because she's next she is she will be targeted by these people because she will not be far enough left for them in two years and it's impossible to satisfy them Tom scoffed at that on our show earlier, Megan. Andy made this point. Tom laughed, and I had to remind him. I said, well, they killed Trotsky. You have to be pretty far left to not. You have to remember that the goal here is not to govern.

1:26:52It's to tear down. And so it's, you know, tearing down AOC and causing more chaos is sort of the, that's the point of the project. Chaos is the goal. I listen, I think I have a message. Yeah, go ahead. I was just going to say, I think AOC is actually in a perfect position because she's she's the compromise candidate. She's acceptable to the Bernie Sanders and the establishment to a certain degree. Right. She's got one foot in that world, but she's also going to be acceptable to these these radicals. And they know if she's elected that they will have sway and power with her. And I understand they want to tear things down, but I also think there's a desire to, in order to do that and do it effectively, you have to have control.

1:27:43And AOC is a means to that control. They're already going after Bernie Sanders as being too pro-israel. So, yeah. He's the moderate one now. He and she are moderates. Yes, right. Here's my message. Here's my here's my word of caution to Republicans and moderate Democrats who are have had it with Israel's influence over American politics. Legit fine. You got to find some normie candidate who shares those views. The answer is not to go to these loons and put them in office like you can't. It would be the same thing as remember, we saw those videos right after 10-7 when some anti-Israel sentiment exploded.

1:28:25and we saw like gays for Hamas, you know, gays for Palestinians, whatever. And, and like people were over there, like with these Arabs who were covered, not Arabs, but like Muslims who were covered head to toe in the hijab and then dancing. And then they tried to say like, yeah, gays, gays. And they were like, what? No. The gays were like, what do you mean? We're not, we're not aligned. It was like, no, no, no. You know, like stone the gays basically is their position. And they were like, oh, maybe our new union isn't as wonderful as we thought. You can't be those people. You have to remember your core of like you can be upset with the Israeli influence.

1:28:59You can do something. We can generate our own candidates on Team Sanity who see it the way we do. But the answer is not to go support these lunatics, because you are getting five time a day prayer. You're getting radical. No more U.S. Senate. No more funding for the Pentagon. No more police at all. Forget funding police. No more police. No more prisons. it's like a dystopian wishlist out of the very dark BLM days when they went really nuts on that sort of small segment. And now these people have made it their platform. That's the platform of the democratic socialists of America. They just revised and put it out a couple weeks ago.

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1:32:45And they say nice things about this is so over the top. Someone should be fired. And that someone is named Janine Rubinstein, who is editor at large for People magazine. She wrote both of them. She's a disgrace to the profession. I like I actually just looked up like, what does Janine Rubinstein do? I've never heard of this woman who writes for people. and this is what they say. She's written, hold on, my team's just sending me. She's prior to People. She's written for Essence, the Cape Times newspaper, and Los Angeles Magazine. But what I read about her at People is that she's the host of the People Everyday podcast, a daily dose of breaking news, pop culture, and heartwarming human interest stories.

1:33:28Formerly senior editor of Music Content, she's also covered crime, human interest, in television news throughout her many years with the brand. What word are you missing there? Politics, right? She doesn't cover hard news at all. And you can tell. All right. Two articles. One, Barack and Michelle Obama in their most personal interview yet, quote, we are each other's counterbalance. This is her writing. okay i'm gonna i'm gonna get through it it's in the way his hand rests gently on her knee the way she crinkles her nose at the joke she's probably heard before the way they can speak at the same time but somehow never seem to talk over each other it's in the details after nearly 34 years of marriage and perhaps because of the minutiae and magnitude of what time encompassed The love between former President Barack Obama, 64, and former First Lady Michelle Obama, 62, is palpable.

1:34:31I don't know if it's been an equal partnership, he says, but it's worked out for me pretty well. I've gotten more out of this than she has. For her, it's probably more of a mixed bag. Then the second piece. People Magazine, same writer. Every photo from Barack and Michelle Obama's people cover shoot at their massive new Chicago Center. Exclusive. Buckle up. When the pair arrived, you could feel the excitement and joy they both had ahead of showcasing the center to and for the Southside Chicago community they love so much. You could also feel the love emanating between them, as if there's such a thing as 34-year-old married newlyweds.

1:35:17Wait, not done. The gentle touches, easy laughter and smiles Made the shoot fly by with ease as they moved from one set up to the next Their love, like the pieces on the walls around them Presents like a work of fine art Painstakingly crafted over time Using a hodgepodge of materials Until no more tinkering can make it any better A joy to witness um here's the truth she's making us all hot and bothered here's the truth about their relationship let's run our little montage one word to describe your next chapter one word fun uh me i'm so glad i didn't have a boy he would have been a barack obama the oh my baby barack it would have been amazing No, I would have felt for him.

1:36:18We're empty nesters. It's like, well, what are we going to talk about? So we're together all day and we do this thing where it's like, I'll see him. And it's like, what you've been doing? It's like, oh, don't tell me until dinner because we're we got to have something to talk about at dinner. The way you're chewing makes me want to smack you upside the head. Even in my marriage now, you know, you go through the period of I want him to be different. I want him to do this differently. I've grown to know I don't have control over him, just like he doesn't have control over me. So let me do my work and let him do our work.

1:36:54And together we come together as whole people. We could be here all day. I've got 20 more. That's awesome. So I feel we've been misled by People Magazine, guys. What do you make of it? You've made Tom's day, Megan. All right, Tom's alley with the media. Well, listen, I've written a couple of profiles over the years, and I can tell you if I turned anything that sounded like that to Carl, he would he would throw it straight in the trash. I mean, so ridiculous. But look, on one hand, it's not surprising that the Obamas have always gotten this unbelievably adoring press coverage, even from like the quote unquote hard news.

1:37:37I mean, you remember, who was it? It was somebody from the Chicago Tribune who asked him this, you know, ridiculous question after he got reelected about what a, you know, great person he was and all these things. Don't leave Chris Matthews out. Remember Steve Croft? Yeah, I mean, you could go on and on. And then you go to, you know, you go to sort of the fluffier, you know, magazines like Vogue and People. And it's just, it's ridiculous and it's over the top. I mean, obviously, to the point that you just, the montage you just played, there's a bunch of evidence suggesting that it's not all just, you know, butterflies and rainbows and unicorns.

1:38:18She hates him. Yeah, I know, right? I gotta say this, I'm starting to like her more and more because it's like a housewife show. It's like she's the housewives of Chicago or something. I mean, that kind of like, you know, in your face, you know, wagging the finger. I mean, come on. It's reality TV. Andy's doing the finger wave. I've never seen that before. Carl, it's as if that were not insulting enough that what I just read to you. They have these pictures of the two of them and the captions are just as inane as the writing in the piece. So they're a bunch of them sort of, you know, fawning on each other.

1:38:58embracing at the Obama center, the formal pose, smiling for the camera, top of the tower, leaning on the rail. What is, why is this in a caption in a magazine in the atrium, the cover shot? This, this is like a photographer's notes to himself about what each of these is a candidate for, you know, like his short form. It's the one where they're on the rail that somehow made it into People Magazine as the official caption, leaning on the rail as though we're supposed to appreciate this as like a work of art. They leaned, Carl, they leaned, they leaned right after they were in the atrium as they passed through the open change lobby, which is the thing.

1:39:43We, you know, I was thinking of that. So these two don't seem to have any illusions. I don't know how they con, I don't know how they got this writer to write the way she did, but the other day, he was asked Obama in a friendly interview, they're all friendly, as Tom pointed out, what do you do to relax and recharge? And Obama went, tried to think of something profound, and Michelle was down and she was, he golfs. That's what he does. And so I think they know who they are. And as you're reading that, I had this picture in my mind, Megan, of those two meeting at dinner when they'd been apart all day long.

1:40:19And she's reading it, and they're both laughing. And she said it makes her so amused. She says he can have a cigarette after dinner. It's OK, because, you know, how did he get this? How did he charm this woman to write this stuff? And he says, really, can I have a cigarette? And he's smoking and they're laughing about this piece the way we are now. So maybe I don't think they have any illusions of what I'm trying to say. I know this is like a fun parlor game. But honestly, Tom, can you imagine this ever being done for Donald and Melania Trump? No, I mean, and it wasn't even done for George W. Bush and Laura, you know?

1:41:00And they clearly were very much in love. And they clearly were very much in love and had been married for a long, long time. But, you know, I mean, even Joe and Jill got, despite the fact she's like walking off stage without him, you know like all this stuff yeah Megan I covered the White House when Bush was president W and one time he was like late he would go running and we got this early pool call it was down in Crawford and and and Bush um and but we said he was late he wasn't really late and he said he leaned over I think it was Ron Forney of AP and he says you know you're late he said I was having some quality time with the first lady and it was good so genuine we all kind of blanched and then You can see he kind of regretted saying it and we went our merry way.

1:41:48Hey, we'd much rather that they have some quality time with the first lady than with the 16-year-old intern like JFK reportedly did. I think she was 19. But the media will gloss right over that stuff to protect Camelot. With the Trumps, not so much. We will not be engaging in any of these fictions, which they clearly are. These two do not like each other. She cannot stand him. And how do I know that from her? We're going to play more of her tomorrow. I can think of another five bites off the top of my head. In the meantime, check out Real Clear Politics. Guys, thanks for joining us. Great to see you.

1:42:25And we'll see all of you again tomorrow on Friday, right? Is tomorrow Friday? We made it. Yeah, we did it. It's happening. Coming our way. Can't wait. Email me your thoughts, Megan at MeganKelley.com. Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda. And no fear.

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