Shocking Migrant Attack, Questions About California Cheating, and Iran Shoots Down American Helicopter, with Buckley Carlson | Ep. 1335

25:12I know that used to be common in the America we grew up in. Don't complain. Be an individual. Be loyal to the ones you love, to your country, to God. And be surrounded by as many dogs as you. Yes. As you can. I know this is your, and you apparently judge people on whether they have a dog. I have two dogs. I'd love to make it just one. I know you love dogs so much. I heard you have a rascal. I have a red boy who would love some time out on the hunting circuit with the Carlson's. All right, no, wait, back to you. Can I just interject? Yeah. It is true. I don't judge people on anything. Look, I'm an incredibly flawed human being.

25:50I try to lead a virtuous life and a good life, and I absolutely believe in God. But like everybody, I've been a sinner and made mistakes. I do not judge other people except on the way they raise their children, whether their children like them, because I think you have some control over that. It depends on how much time you spend with your children. if you focus on your children, if you're honest with your children, and whether or not you have dogs. I know some people can't, but you should if you can. Yes. Sorry, I just wanted to... No, I love the conversation. It makes me look very good because I have these dogs and I've kept this second dog, notwithstanding tens of thousands of dollars of damage he's done.

26:32This boy, you name it, he's done it. On the bright side, we found out that he is literally indestructible. so that's my strut back okay i have a dog just like this you do we call her autistic she's the only like specialty dog we have a lot of um we have a three-legged dogo argentino that we that we inherited that we adopted and but she's our only specific dog she's a quail dog she's tiny she's a combination of actually can i tell you her provenance story for one second yeah so she comes from an enormous piece of property in florida privately owned by the same family for like 100 years and they do a lot of bird shooting on it and it's like 300 ,000 acres so it's very well contained and they've been raising upland bird dogs for 60 years upland english cockers and five years ago a townie chihuahua broke into the property found the lead bitch and so my girl is the second generation she's combination one quarter chihuahua three quarters english cocker and she is absolutely relentless.

27:31We call her an effing rascal. She's autistic. She's so loving. You said you're a rascal. Mine in five years has been in the hospital 42 times. Oh my. The last time she, I was actually repairing a pair of trousers and she leaned over and sucked down a two and a half inch upholstery needle. Oh, come on. And then closed her mouth and I grabbed her mouth and tried to pull it out. It disappeared. I immediately called my brother And I said, oh, my gosh, Chief swallowed this needle. His first words were, she's had a good life. And I said, no, no, no. Click. Call my vet. That's not helpful. No, it was not helpful at all.

28:11And I called my vet, and they said, oh, come here now. And I raised, and it had made it through her mouth, her esophagus, her throat, into her belly. Oh, God. Unmolested. It was not going to go further south after that without damage. And they had to interact it. Well, I didn't get it. Yeah, they got it. I had to pay someone. Flick it off the throat. Dog insurance, very important. Yes. You know, friends of ours had this. They have a Bernese Mountain Dog. I love Bernese. And the Bernese Mountain Dog ate, they like to eat socks. Apparently they're infamous for this. And mops. It ate a sock and it needed a surgery to get the sock out because they don't pass the socks.

28:43So they had to spend$10 ,000 on a surgery for the sock. Came back home, recovered. Ate another one. And the dad said, so the dog's totaled, right? He's totaled. Like, you know, we're not, right? Of course, you know, the wife had the Bernese Mountain Dog back at the vet that afternoon. The dog was not totaled. The dog was saved. The budget was totaled. I know, they're so naughty. I would live in a box on the sidewalk before I would not pay for a surgery. I know. Same. We had to pay a couple of Halloweens ago$7 ,000 for an endoscopy for Strudwick because he wasn't going to the bathroom at all. We're like, what's going on?

29:28And now he's not eating. That's not a good sign. So we take him in. He gets the endoscopy. Do you know what? Avid listeners to the show know what it was because I posted it in the newsletter. He had eaten one of those wax set of lips that come out around Halloween. We glued it on this pumpkin. We were making like a funny face on the pumpkin and he got the pumpkin and ate the wax lips. And we just hadn't noticed that it was gone. And that's$7 ,000 later found out it was. He couldn't pass wax. I don't know. I don't know. It's like who can keep up? All right. Now back to you and your childhood because I do want to get to this.

30:06So you did wind up getting a stepmom. Yes. Who became really your mother. Absolutely. This is, for better or worse, the heir to the Swanson's chicken fortune. Yes. So, I mean, it's nice to grow up with some dough, right? You got some dough. I mean, I didn't personally. Yeah, but like you grew up around it. They did. I mean, we had a comfortable life growing up for sure. We had an interesting life. My parents didn't spoil us at all. They didn't tolerate any kind of entitlement. I mean, your brother's not even like allowed to use the word I. So I'm sure you were not spoiled. Also strive not to use that.

30:43I never, I almost never use that. No. No. Hard to communicate without it. It is.

30:52Yeah, we were blessed because we needed a woman in our lives. Yeah. In our life. And she was an extraordinary person and had had an unhappy earlier life, had a weird childhood. But she became a very strong Christian. She was very strong. She was like so many people who are worried about the minutia, and I think moms get some credit for being worried about the little things. And she certainly was and was communicative of it. But whenever there was a big problem, she was probably the calmest in the family and most faithful about that. And she deferred to my father on disciplinary stuff and guidance mostly.

31:32He assumed that role. But she was a super loving. and their love affair was amazing. She made him a better person. She made us better boys. Probably better husbands. And 100%, no doubt about it. And they died within, she preceded him in death by a year. And I was talking to my son about this yesterday because someone he knows just died, an older couple. I'm saying that is testament to a really loving relationship when you see that, when you see people who've married for a long time and one of them dies and the other one just basically surrenders the next year. If they know where they're going and they know they're going to be reunited with the love of their life.

32:15Doug and I are going hand in hand at 100, same time, same night. We've got it all planned out. We worked it out with God. He said, it's fine. We haven't been great, but we've been good enough that he said we could have that one. It is the ideal. I know. I'm reminded often that the General Mills inventor of Lucky Charms, forgot his name, died in a head-on collision with his wife next to him in his either, I think, early 90s. Probably shouldn't have been driving. Yeah, right. It's a pretty great way to go. I mean, that or like an explosion where you don't know, you know? I'm not trying to give anybody any ideas.

32:51I'm just saying like, one second you're fine and the next second you're, you know, you've moved on. We do often talk about the apogee of love and how nice that would be at least for one of us. It would be pretty traumatizing for the other. Yes, there is that. So now, is it, tell me if you don't want to go there, but I've heard Tucker talk about the fact that your dad, as it turns out, may have been in the CIA. Yes, and he gets, and yes, we didn't know that. We knew that he was adjacent to it, for sure. He worked for the United States Information Agency. Okay, and journalists a lot of times get co-opted.

33:26I haven't been co-opted into the CIA, but. And I actually don't think. I'd love to get an offer. 100%. Why not me? Yes, absolutely. No, it didn't happen. It was a much different time. I mean, it was during the Cold War. So we had very clearly defined goals as a country, very clearly defined enemies, very clearly defined principles that we were upholding. And so he was a huge believer in America and Americans and our liberty and Christianity. And, you know, he was an American patriot for sure. So he never did anything that would have been contrary to that. I don't know the extent of it. I only know that we got confirmation for sure.

34:08Tucker and I had talked about it periodically in our lives because my father knew a lot of people in that world. So they were around us a lot. But we never confronted him about it, which is weird because we talked to him about absolutely everything. Never asked him that. And then a week after he died, someone contacted us, wrote us a letter about it, wrote us a letter about his service. Oh, really? Yes. That's pretty noble. I thought so. To let you know that there was this piece of him that was also incredible. It was worth celebrating. Yeah, dynamic and I'm sure fascinating. Did he have any detail?

34:48Was he able to enrich you at all on that? He had not enough detail. No. No. This is like a book. And it's been a year, so I haven't. You should spend the next year looking into that and then write a book about it. My father's life was so book worthy. And he wrote a number of books, actually. But he wrote also a number of books that hadn't been published. And he's just – so, yes, I'd like to dedicate some time in my life to investigating that further and writing about it. Well, I'll tell you. So when I was a kid – so my dad was a professor at first Syracuse University and then SUNY Albany. And he taught education.

35:21But he flew all over the world to Iran. He was down in Indonesia. He was all in these like weird places for a college professor. So we always like wondered, does he have some sort of secret government role? And he was a great shot, even though we weren't big hunters or anything like that. So it was like sort of a running joke in our family. And I was recently telling my kids about it. And my daughter got so excited about it. She asked ChatGPT or one of the AIs, how do you find out if your grandpa was in the CIA? And the answer was, ask your parents.

35:56that turned out to be a dead end that failed i don't i have no idea i don't think so um i not that i know if we do you know there there's always like weird signs and academics were used during the 70s and the 80s for that kind of thing because they could travel without suspicion same as journalists yes you know but my mom says it's not true and i have no way of knowing whether it's true and again they never came calling on me buckley so if he was in the cia i guess he wasn't he must have been a disappointment. Otherwise they would have. I feel like they would have at least given me the letter.

36:26Yes, absolutely. I didn't get the letter. That's pretty great. Anyway. Tucker is assailed endlessly and I've been assailed endlessly as a fed. It's like. It's like the new, you're either a fed or you're gay. That's the, that's the, what they throw at you. Or a grifter. That assertion though, that second one, it sure, I never knew how many there were. I mean, well beyond, you know. How many hidden gay people? Lindsey Graham. Yeah. What is it about elected politics And what is it about the Republican Party specifically that encourages them? I mean, we need to have – deviant sexual life should not be part of government service because it obviously – obviously you've got weird priorities.

37:04But it opens you up to lots of leverage, obviously. So is it – do they recruit people who have deviant sexual lives or is there something about power? Well, if you are out as a gay man in 2026 America, you're fine. No one cares. But if you're hiding it. I think you're still celebrated. Yes, exactly. I think isn't that the norm or isn't that the ideal? If you're married to a woman and you're gay, it's a much bigger deal. Yeah, absolutely. And we have so many of those who are obviously with beards. You know, it's like we know she's a – who – I don't understand the women who volunteer to be a beard.

37:41Like you know you're a beard. We can tell just from your husband's affect and the way he behaves that he's gay. You sleep with him, so you can definitely tell. So why would you agree to that? Someone needs to just study on that. I don't understand it. And by the way, yes, no one successfully keeps that hidden. It's obvious to anyone. Very. Well, I mean, it's on Team Dem. You have a lot who are, like, I understand closeted Republicans because it seems to be It's the party that's a little bit more traditionally conservative in terms of its, you know, social behaviors. The Democrats are like, you know, they're celebrating men with breasts and they are saying, you know, referring to women as just vagina havers.

38:25I mean, it's like that you can be anything and be elected as a Democrat. And yet, I don't know. It seems pretty clear to me. It's just my opinion. James Tallarico seems on fire. Yes. Claims he's straight. Cory Booker and his weird fake wedding photos that he looks very gay. Sorry, maybe I'm wrong. I'm just saying, it's how you project. We could be here a while if we go down the list. I don't, in 2026 America, this is unnecessary. Yes, absolutely. Anyway, yeah, Lindsay, that's another one. And that's probably the most offensive because he said on camera that he'd be perfectly willing, not just perfectly willing, but eager to send your children to fight Israel's war.

39:01Yeah. Why is that acceptable? I'm really holding out hope. I woke up one of my early prayers this morning was that the excellent voters of South Carolina will reject Lindsey Graham in this primary today and Mark Lynch, and we'll see. I've seen some encouraging numbers. It's kind of hard to believe. I hope you're right. I don't know. What do you think is going to happen with Graham Plattner from Maine, the state you have? I think it seems inevitable he's going to be in. He's going to beat Susan Collins. Doesn't, yeah. Yeah. It seems like. I mean, obviously, today's just a primary, but the general's coming up in November.

39:29And how will that affect the GOP caucus, I wonder, because she's such a reliable conservative vote? I mean, I know you've been talking a lot about the Uniparty lately, and you have a decent point. It's like, how will any of this affect any of our lives in any material way? When 88 % of the country wants transparency in elections, they want safe elections, and they've just given up on that. I guess now they have given up on it completely. It's dead. The SAVE Act will not be revived. Is that what I understand? Yeah, no, it's dead. But yet on a voice vote, they can basically confirm that our military and Israel's military should be merged.

40:04Yeah, yeah, that we're now, there's some sort of merger happening, especially when it comes to intelligence. Yes. Which at a time in which the poll was just out today that fewer Americans are supportive of Israel than ever before. It's finally flipped. And the numbers were vastly in Israel's favor. The majority, well over 50%, it was like 57%, I think around October 7th of 23 when they were attacked. And it's completely flipped now. So why would we be getting closer to them militarily? Why don't the American people have say in that? Yes, absolutely. They're pretty clear about it. 66 % or something of Americans say that we're too closely.

40:41Well, and it was like a favor versus unfavor when it comes to Israel and Palestine. Do I have it here? I'll try to find it. Oh, let's stand by. Oh, I don't know. I have so many things that I screen grabbed. I can't find it, but I'll get it for you and we can talk about it. Well, on the heels of the anniversary, since this is kind of a good opener, I don't know if you realize, Obviously, Thomas Mazze gave the speech. He's the first member of Congress actually to recognize the victims of the USS Liberty 59 years later. The very first one to ever do that in Congress. And he had 12 survivors in the chambers with him.

41:16And he asked, he passed, he wants to pass a resolution that says let's have an arena investigation. Do you know that Donald Trump has never once spoken publicly about not issued a tweet, not issued any talking point about the USS Liberty? and no one else in the caucus, no one else in Congress, Rochanna's gotten close, but as far as I can tell from this morning, not a single person has said that they would support the victims of the USS Liberty when it's clear that Israel attacked our men, clear that the U.S. president at the time, LBJ, actually approved of the Sixth Fleet turning around and leaving them to be attacked further, and learned last night from a FOIA request from someone that actually it's in writing that the U.S.

42:02government had considered sinking the remains of the USS Liberty so no one could take a picture of the USS Liberty and thereby damage public perception of Israel and question our relationship with Israel. That was back in 1967. Wow. But I was shocked. Sorry, I was shocked that not a single other elected official in America has the balls or has, yeah, The balls were the patriotism or the compassion to even recognize these guys who've been so trampled upon, aside from being killed, but they've been thoroughly disrespected in the worst kind of way with our own government. You can say whatever you want about our government, but not theirs.

42:45Yes. I mean, I think most of us have learned that firsthand, the hard way. Yes. I mean, I have been absolutely brutal on our own presidents, from Barack Obama to Joe Biden. And of course, I've been critical of Donald Trump, where he deserves it, too. And no problem. You know, some people don't like the Trump stuff, but OK, fine. You know, I'm allowed to say it. Yes. And most of my audience says, fine. Yeah, we understand sometimes you're critical, sometimes you're supportive. But you get to Israel and there is a certain faction of the conservative movement who will tell you it's a hard no, that you're a grifter, that whatever.

43:24You get the bots. I see you're getting attacked by the bots nonstop online, too. And there's like an apparatus that immediately turns on you. So who is that? Who is effectively trying to veto any anything, whether it's Tom Massey's congressional seat or a podcaster like me or Tucker trying to talk about this or you on social media raising these points? Who's who's doing that? I'm this little guy on social media. Well, I mean, they've been pretty upfront, actually. I mean, it's been written about how much money they've devoted. I would say it's our money because we entirely support Israel. So any money they have to set aside$750 million in a propaganda campaign or hiring Brad Parscale.

44:05Yeah. It's kind of shocking, actually. Who runs Salem Media and had to register as a foreign agent for a foreign government. And I seem to recall, actually, when he ran the second, the Trump reelect, that, like, millions of dollars had disappeared from the campaign. I'm obviously not assailing him personally, but it seems odd that he would be in charge of it. That I don't know. Oh, yes. Many millions of dollars disappeared from the Trump campaign, apparently. and he was in charge of it. So the idea that he's now got a lot of time on his hands and he's upfront about being a paid, at least he's upfront about being a paid lawyer.

44:34Yeah, well, apparently it was so significant he had no choice. I mean, it's the ones who are, you really have to worry about are like the ones who are taking boatloads of dough and don't disclose and are just trying to get away with it. And then there are the other ones where it's like less of an official relationship, but they just need the pat on the head, Buckley. They just need those little snaps that they get from the Israel firsters of like, thank you so much for defending Israel. You know what? It's fine to be critical of Israel. Like, how is it some sin to have an issue with Israel's foreign policy or Israel getting us into a war?

45:07How does that make you immediately an anti-Semite or a bad person? I question the people who are uniformly defensive of a foreign country or even of our country. I grew up in Southern California on the border with Mexico. Mexico has been flooded by Mexicans. The Mexican government has been complicit in pushing people into our country. The Mexican government has pushed a ton of fentanyl into our country. Mexican government has had an incredibly bad effect on America and on the West. If you say that, do people say, oh, you hate Mexicans? Yeah, right. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Like, treat people as individuals, you know, hold people responsible for their actions, hold governments responsible for their actions.

45:46I'm sorry, we're supposed to hate Vladimir Putin, but we're not allowed to – we're not allowed to criticize Bibi Netanyahu when he's less popular in his own country than he – and less popular here. No, it's – I don't know how it's – it's not defensible on its face, so I don't know how these people can make that argument that you're an anti-Semite or hate Jews because you're questioning a foreign power that has had such an effect and has sort of a stranglehold, obviously. not just on our foreign policy, but has a huge effect on Donald Trump and the rest of the elected officials who've neglected and are disdainful towards the American people who gave them this power, who put them in power and tolerated them thus far, but don't seem like they have a huge appetite for tolerating it going forward.

46:35No, it seems clear Trump wants this war done. Yes. The only real question now is whether that will be allowed. Do you think it's a sign of strength for him to say, as he did last week, I'm the one who holds the power. I'm the one who holds the power. Not really. Now I've never heard anybody in your own, in your marriage. I'm sure you guys don't know each other. No, me. Me. Yeah, no, it's not great. You can see he's frustrated with the messaging around this. You know, he doesn't like people to think that he's being controlled by Netanyahu. That's obvious. Yes. Right now they're sort of publicly feuding, not really, but Trump is, you know, he obviously he let it leak that he had this contentious phone call with Netanyahu, which he swore at him.

47:22He wants him to stop bombing Lebanon, but Israel says it's Lebanon that's bombing us, not Lebanon, but Hezbollah that's bombing us and we have the right to defend ourselves. And now we just got Mark Levin, who's basically the mouthpiece for Israel, whatever he's saying is what Israel once said, who came out last night and was sort of attacking President Trump. I'm going to show you what he's saying. And my only question for you really, Buckley, is is he actually turning on Trump because Trump – the neocons really want Trump to double down on the fighting with Iran. They want bombs away. Let's wipe them into the next century.

47:56And he's not going to do that reportedly. Weirdly. So it's either his frustration that Trump's not going to do that, that we're about to see, or there are some people online who believe, like Cenk Uyghur was suggesting, is this some sort of an op where they're trying to make it look like they're feuding and they're actually about to do a new bombing? There are some reports about some movements, I think, of the 82nd Airborne and whether they're getting a little too close to Karg Island. I don't know. You listen to Mark Levin and you tell me whether this is real. Maybe we'll know once the negotiators have been killed.

48:30Oh, yes. That's always a good sign. That's a good tell. All right, here he is. I don't know why the president of the United States feels the need to keep going to left-wing reporters and talking about confidential conversations he has with the prime minister of Israel. And I don't know why he keeps bashing the prime minister of Israel, who's trying to protect his country and his own people. just a few weeks ago their fighter jets were fighting right alongside ours the Mossad was working with the CIA and of course the Prime Minister was working with the President in what was a spectacular military operation I know the President is deeply desperate for a deal the Iranians know he's deeply desperate for a deal the whole world knows he's deeply desperate for a deal got it and Israel's told it can only fight a defensive war and Israel's told to stay away from Beirut even though the head of the snake is right outside of Beirut the hypocrisy of our country that wouldn't put up with it in the treatment of that country is ridiculous.

49:40In fact, we don't ask any other country to do that. None.

49:47So why the constant beating up of Netanyahu? In fact, there was an announcement from the White House last night saying we had nothing to do with this our our military is not involved and i commented well that's nothing to be proud of our military is not involved their military wouldn't exist without the largest of the american taxpayer he's talking about the latest strikes right of course uh i also thought it was interesting that he said that massad and cia had been working together oh that's a novel idea i think they've been bedfellows for a long time yeah um do i think it's an op i I don't know.

50:21I mean, it's hard to believe. Again, he's out there testing messages, obviously. Mark Levin is in the crudest. And boy, I'm glad I've got low blood pressure because just listening to his voice, I can't believe he's got a career on radio. It's the most grating, irritating, whiny nonsense I've heard. He's going to abandon Trump in about two seconds if Trump does not go through with another bombing campaign. Well, he's fluctuated a lot in his support or attacks of Trump. I mean, he was an anti-never-Trumper for so long. Oh, yeah. He hated Trump. Not just Trump the man, but actually the perfectly achievable MAGA program that Trump should be focused on instead of engaging in a war that's going to be— No, I think the Levins of the world treat Trump like he's—I don't want to say a useful idiot because I'm not sure they view him that disdainfully, but certainly just like a useful tool to enact their neocon agenda.

51:15And now that Trump has realized this is a disaster for the United States, and I think he'd like to have it back if he could get it back, they're starting to ramp it up. This is not okay. It's not okay. Do you think, by the way, do you think that's an opportunity for him? Do you think it's gone too far? Do you think if he pulled out of Iraq in a way that we were able to maintain our interest, pulled out of Iran, obviously, to maintain our interest in the region and focus on American priorities and push Israel away and say we're no longer tolerating this? Do you think the base, do you think Americans would actually give them a pass?

51:47I don't feel. I don't think so. But I think it would be a lot better than doubling down and getting us further entrenched and God forbid, seeing more blood and treasure spilled on the lands of Iran, not to mention what's happening with our economy. I mean, I just think at this point, it's like stop the bleeding. But we can't double down on bleeding. All right, stand by. We got 10 seconds until our break and we come back and Buckley stays with us for our second hour as well. There's a ton still to go over. Don't go away. Okay, time for an uncomfortable reality, quickly. What happens financially to our loved ones once we are no longer here?

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54:34Writer and media strategist Buckley Carlson is back with me. And even the conversation during the break was fascinating, guys. I mean, you're not surprised to hear it. Let's spend a minute on—we were talking about Iran and Israel right before the break, and now there's breaking news. So last night there was a helicopter that was attacked over the Strait of Hormuz. My hairstylist Sarah does not want to hear one more word about the Strait of Hormuz. She calls it the Strait of Hormuth. Every time I talk about it, I'm like, she speaks for us all, right? Like, I care about my life. I don't care about the Strait of Hormuz, but I must talk about it because we appear to be launching another war.

55:11This helicopter was shot down and there was a question about whether it was one of ours and who did it. It was one of ours. The president has just confirmed this in a post on Truth Social. I have just been informed, he writes, by our great military that last night the Iranians shot down one of our highly sophisticated Apache helicopters while patrolling over the Strait of Hormuz. There were two pilots involved. Both are safe and uninjured. Thank God. Nevertheless, the U.S. must of necessity respond to this attack. Thank you for your attention to this matter, President Donald J. Trump. So this is what Professor Pape would call the escalation trap that he's been warning about since the launch of this war, that it's kind of like whether you want it or not.

55:55It's coming. Yeah. Yes. Once you launch a war. When Donald Trump said it was confirmed by our military, did he mean that was the intelligence that's so valuable that we got from Israel? Yeah. Could it have been? I mean, why wouldn't their intelligence be superior to ours when it comes to what happened last night in the Strait of Hormuz? Someone famous yesterday said, I heard this great quote last night, late last night, that Benjamin Netanyahu's political life is dependent upon extending this war. Donald Trump's political life is dependent upon ending it. It's been clear from the beginning. Why would he ever saddle America's fortunes with another country?

56:34It doesn't matter if we're supposed friends and great allies. I'd argue that there's a lot of evidence that we aren't, and they've displayed – they've proven that during these last three months of this war. I would also say not attacking you at all or your hairstylist, and I totally agree, people who are not familiar with the Strait of Hormuz until three months ago. But it is important in that it's had a huge effect on everyday Americans and their economic lives. I know it costs literally 50 % more now than it did three months ago to fill your car. Yeah, no, she was saying all I care about is that it costs$120 to fill my gas tank now.

57:12Oh, my gosh. Like cheddar cheese, bacon is like 15 bucks a pound. I mean, that is not sustainable. And it's apparently going to get a lot worse, obviously, with the – Lack of oil, lack of fertilizer, lack of all the things that the world needs to keep moving. The rarest some of which are coming out of there. Helium. I know. And unfortunately, this is exactly what Netanyahu wants. He wants this to continue. They are served by chaos in the Middle East and by Iran being bogged down in war. And frankly, by us being bogged down in war, we are not. And President Trump definitely is not. The Republican Party definitely is not.

57:49And the president, so as we, this is so perfect, isn't it? As we go to break, we're talking about how the neocons are getting mad at Trump because he doesn't want to escalate things in Iran. He wants this thing to end. He's finally pushing back on them, whether it's Netanyahu or Mark Levin. And we go to break and this drops on true. So, oh, wait, actually, we're back in. And we must respond. Yes. I don't know. They have a way of getting their way. So hopefully this will be quick and not too escalatory. But this is what happens. I keep going back to what General Stan McChrystal said at the beginning of our invasion of Iran, or whatever you want to call it, which was, I hope you really enjoy the bomb-dropping phase of the war, for those of you who are in support of this.

58:35Because as wars go, that's the best phase. You get to do a lot of damage from the air. You don't tend to lose a lot of men. and you hit a lot of targets given the great precision and strength of our American military. And then it stops going well. Yes, yes. I would just say the last, I agree with everything you said completely. I'm just shocked also to the extent to which we have, Trump has undermined the rationale for American power in the region. And I think it's, last night a great example was Iran actually got in the middle of Lebanon and Israel and protected the Lebanese from the incessant shelling from Israel.

59:22And then if you consider the situation in the rest of the Gulf countries and how these countries understood that their association with America guaranteed their security, their physical security, but their economic security as well. And then we have completely failed to provide that for them. so obviously the the wreckage of this perfectly short war at the moment that is clearly about to get a lot worse has been demonstrably bad and does seem to be getting so much worse and it was anticipated clearly anticipated even by people who only would have to study it for a moment to recognize what the effects would be and people around donald trump certainly knew and donald Trump should have known.

1:00:06And given all this past commentary on the subject, he clearly did now. I mean, I think it's been interesting because I've listened to like my friends at National Review and I love Rich Lowry. I think he's a good guy. He was very, very pro. When this first happened, he came on the show and he was pro, I was against. And, you know, we talked about it like friends and he said why he was pro. And they're neocony. They're not neocons exactly, but they're neocon. They're hawks, I think it's fair to say, at NR. And they don't like what they're seeing at all anymore. They realize this hasn't worked out.

1:00:39I've been listening to their show and I read NR. And even they are like, this turned out to be a not great idea because of the way it was executed and because of the Strait of Hormuz, which they did take over. They realized they have this massive economic nuclear bomb if they don't have an actual nuclear bomb and they're not afraid to use it and so on. And I think President Trump has realized the same. I think there are a lot of hawks who are realizing, I wanted to support the president. I listened to what he said. But here we are three months later with no end in sight and gas prices through the roof and energy prices affecting everything else coming down the pike on goods that were already inflationary that he hadn't managed to get down.

1:01:20I actually just had a meeting with my financial advisors that was very interesting, Buckley, because they were like, the prices are not going to come down. For years, apparently. At all. They were explaining inflation to me in a way no one had ever done so before, saying the inflation rate has come down. It was at 9 % under Biden, and now it's 3 and change under Trump. But the price of the goods is not coming back down. The goods went up in price, and they're going to stay high in price. And then they had an argument for why, as an economic matter, you could say that's a good thing. Otherwise, you have deflation, which is also problematic for the economy.

1:01:58But the American public, I think, was expecting some of their grocery bills to come down under President Trump. And the cold, hard reality is they're not going to. And now the inflationary scale is going back up because of the war that we launched. Those are the realities. I don't know how to fix them at this point other than stop doing the one thing that's driving them up. Yes. And even then, even if you opened up the straight-up from O's tomorrow and it was free and clear for 20 % of the world's oil, how many years does it take? Did your financial advisor say? Because I've read it's like three or four years to get back on track.

1:02:37And as you pointed out, those prices are never coming down again. And people had still been trying to recover from the obscene inflation underneath the under the Biden administration's mismanagement. And that they had every right, obviously, to expect that Trump, one, could do it and two, would spend a lot of time thinking about how to do it. Boy, dispiriting. Well, they were making the point that the one that Trump makes, which is the market, is doing really well. and we've been talking on this show about how well i mean great but like the average joe is not heavily positioned in the market he's worried about paying his bills he lives paycheck to paycheck he hasn't been on a vacation a long time and they also pointed out the other thing which you know has been in the news credit card debt is sky high right now which is another leading indicator that that regular people are suffering that they're having they're not like going on massive spending sprees is sacks.

1:03:33They're using those cards to pay their bills. Yeah, groceries. Yeah. Absolutely. At the same time, the healthcare industry is imploding and people are getting nothing for the dollars they're spending. And their premiums are going way up because the Obamacare subsidies are going away. And American hospitals are failing for a lot of reasons, but thanks to like crazy immigration policy, obviously, which very few people talk about. But - Well, think of your - Also the scam with the nonprofit hospitals who are, I don't know if you know much about that, but the nonprofit hospitals in America who are required to provide this benefit to the surrounding communities in which they live actually don't.

1:04:13The experience has degraded enormously. And at the same time, the administrative hospital administration salaries, everything has skyrocketed. Well, of course. Yeah, wait times, even quality of care has been drastic. Well, I was gonna say the only thing worse, then this conversation and the realities of it would be to be a conservative or a Republican experience in all of this in LA where no matter what you do, it's never going to change. They will make sure. Despite the will of the people. I mean, they've had a long period, despite the recent clear vote stealing or whatever it is. It's vote stealing, obviously.

1:04:57I was like, I don't, I was thinking about this today. I'm like, you could call it fraud. I think a more accurate word would just be cheating. Yes, absolutely. I don't think they're actively fooling anyone in the way a fraud would, you know? Yes. They're just cheating. That's how it looks to me. And there are all sorts of reports of how, Steve Hilton said this yesterday, and he was 100 % right. We went back and fact-checked him, my team. Did you know you have to get your ballot in by voting day, postmarked by voting day? We knew that, that's an outrage. you don't actually have it have to have it postmarked you can write the date that you put it in the mail on the exterior so you could have voting days tuesday you could have a thursday postmark but as long as you've written on it tuesday whatever voting day was they'll accept it i looked at the law myself it's insane and there are all sorts of reports of them going to these Democrat groups are so well organized going to homeless people.

1:05:57You don't actually have a signature. You can have an X or a line for your signature as long as you have a witness who says they saw you sign it. And who are these witnesses? You know, it's like basically Acorn. Those remember that group? It's groups like that. So there, that's why, in my opinion, you see all these votes coming in that I could buy Democrat. The Democrat overtakes the Republicans. It's California. It's L.A. I don't buy Nithya Raman way more than Karen Bass, their existing mayor, who, by the way, happens to be black and a woman, too. I mean, Nithya is Indian. I just don't I don't buy that.

1:06:32No one even knew who that was a month ago. She cried on election night because she lost and she knew it. Yes. So they we know what they're doing. And then you have people are like, there's no proof. You know, what's her name? Kristen Welker was like to Trump. There's no proof. There's not going to be proof this close to the actual vote. Like, we actually need to do an investigation, look at the votes. The ones that are getting rejected right now in L.A., we're told, are the Republican votes for Pratt, where those, the volunteers are triple-checking those signatures just to make sure it was actually you.

1:07:05All these Republicans online saying they got theirs back, like a call from somebody saying didn't check out. It's just, it smells to high heaven. Yes, it does. No, it's disgusting. And they've had, there's no defense of it. That's why I don't understand. There's no defense of it. And Trump has power and they have both houses of Congress. They should be able to do something about it. Plus, they have an attorney general in California. Why isn't he held to account for that? Well, they're looking. The U.S. attorney is looking into it right now, though not with a lot of cooperation. The state officials don't want the feds interfering in their election processes.

1:07:37Can you blame them? It's been working out so well for them. They're like, stay out of it. This is about states' rights. Suddenly federalists. Yes, they just have to leave. And even Steve Hilton now has officially been declared one of the last two standing on the gubernatorial race, which is great. Love Steve. They're not going to vote for Steve. There's just no way they're going to vote for him over Javier Becerra. And even if Spencer Pratt had made it into the final two, would that machine have allowed him to beat Karen Bass? Of course not. It just all feels so hopeless sometimes. And so manufactured.

1:08:08And they're not even artful about it. I remember corruption or stealing used to be, you know, subterfuge. and artful. In the good old days. Yes, absolutely, right? There was a beauty to it. Partially plausible. Now none of it's plausible. Right. And people are getting dispirited over it. And so I don't know what the answer is, but someone had better do something about it. I think you got to do what you did and leave California. Yes. That's where you were raised. Well, you'd think they'd start paying attention at some point. You're right. And California had had an influx of people throughout its entire history up until COVID.

1:08:39Then it had this massive exodus and then they're losing tons of money and they're going to to be suffering at some point you would think the government i mean who extracts all this wealth and i don't know pet projects i mean you would think i mean as they say the problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money but they seem to really want us to elevate their outgoing governor to president they the democrats are open-minded to that too they they're no one's saying on their team like what do you mean he bankrupted california they have homeless people everywhere. He ruined two of the top greatest cities in the world, San Francisco and LA, which is burned down to its stubs in huge parts of it.

1:09:22Crushed people during COVID. Engaged in some of the most absurd COVID policies anywhere. Yes. Actually, he should be held to account for. The homelessness and the crime alone should be a deal breaker, but it's not. The hairline can only take one so far. Or are we kidding ourselves about that? He's actually, Gavin Newsom is the perfect candidate, though, if you think about it, because he's such a chameleon and has no principles whatsoever. He's reasonably articulate. He's reasonably handsome. I mean, he knows his way around a microphone and a television prompter, obviously. What's with this, though?

1:09:57He's constantly with the hands. Where did they go to the school? Something very strange with how he never stops with the hand motions like the guy who's landing the jet plane at JFK. And is it supposed to be hypnotic? Because I actually feel kind of ill or hostile. I think it's nerves. Oh, really? No, I get the sense they go to some special school where they learn how to gesticulate. It's one of two things. It's either nerves or it's lying. He's definitely incapable of the latter, I think, at all times. Phil Houston, the spy-the-lie guy, he wrote the book, Spy-the-lie, 25 years CIA. Yes. Figuring out who is a double agent by questioning them internally and figuring out which terrorists who were supposedly helping us were actually working still for the other side.

1:10:36So this guy knows how to detect lies. And one of the things he says is hands above the midline, moving around. And the reason is when you lie, it's like an adrenaline surge in your body and it can't stay in there. It has to shoot out somehow. It can shoot out through your fingers. It can shoot out through your ears. But like through your extremities, people, liars will often touch like their ear or their nose. If their legs are crossed, they'll start doing the leg kick when they lie. He's got all sorts of tapes of people. But I actually think when I look at Gavin Newsom, it's like one big lie.

1:11:07And it's all of his nervous energy shooting out of his fingers. Or he's just a very nervous public speaker who's learned to mask it somehow in his delivery, but not in his body motions. Oh, I like that. I've never seen that. I never read that. I like that theory. I think I passed the test. Yeah, you haven't moved in a second. Is there any Democrat you could ever vote for? gosh there used to be there used to be a number of southern democrats i really liked i'm trying to think there is a congresswoman in california actually who had thank her name she's recent uh roqana has been reasonable on a number of things i've admired him i've admired his courage uh i generally can't think of any any america loving reasonable honest people on the left Of course, anybody who attacks Donald Trump is now a leftist or a Soviet show.

1:12:00Yeah. An Israel hater. So you'd think that I would have some experience with that. No, I can't actually think of any reasonable Democrats. I'm sure there must be some. But I'm not aware of any beyond. Well, what do you make of somebody like a Graham Plattner in Maine who has been saying, like, we're done with the Israel lobby nonsense, which is good. Yes. but also wants to stack the Supreme Court packet with an extra three justices. It's like, and the love affair is over. Oh, that's just, wait, no. I don't like, what do people do? There are a lot of people listening to this show, all young Republicans now, a vast majority of young Republicans even are Israel skeptical.

1:12:41So they're looking for somebody. They're not, they don't want to pack the Supreme Court. You know what I mean? Like, how do we find the candidate? that kind of had him in Thomas Massey and he just got bounced out. Yes. Who doesn't say that the lunatic things like that second part, but is finally going to try to put an end to this weird, unhealthy relationship we have. I don't care what it used to be. Right now it's toxic and they're dragging us into wars. So it's got to be controlled and they control all of our politicians. I don't, what do you? I've noticed. So what do we do? Who do we vote for?

1:13:16I don't know about now who we vote for now. I do know it's a cleansing process for politics going forward, clearly. Both the parties have – I hate the term, but it's I think accurate here – but clown themselves. They do not represent their voters. They don't represent the vast majority of Americans. Literally, there are going to have to be some benchmarks for any national candidates. They're just going to have to say right up front, won't take any foreign money, won't take any lobbyist money from corporations. And they're going to have to articulate their faith in American heritage, American culture, American values, American language.

1:13:59I think that's a great start, and I don't think that would have happened if we hadn't gotten in this, if we hadn't gotten in, been dragged into this war. Because I do think that some people, for instance, during the campaign or during Trump's entire first term, when he used to talk about the deep state and the swamp, people could actually dismiss it. you and I wouldn't or other people who are paying attention, oh, really, is there really a supernatural, natural, national deep state that controls things beyond those that you vote for? And some people could dismiss that. But now, actually, Donald Trump's actions over the last 19 months and most especially his inactions on the domestic front on behalf of people who voted for him and the Americans who've trusted him revealed that there is, in fact, incontrovertibly, this power structure behind the scenes that most people were not aware of.

1:14:51Things like big pharma, big ag, big tech. The fact that you're being surveyed at all times, that you're being poisoned at all times. The fact that we're moving inexorably towards fake currency that they can control. Not to mention AI that's going to wipe out all of our children's jobs. Yes, and not a single person in national office is articulating how they all seem thrilled by it. And then, of course, there's the corruption that is just out in the open now. But anyway, people are aware. People are like, yes, this doesn't work. Democratic Party, it might actually bring people together, actually.

1:15:33It's revealed that there's this uniparty power structure because no matter what you say in public or no matter whom you vote for, you're still getting the program that benefits someone else other than the American people. That's just so obvious now. And so transparency, declaration of no foreign money. And then maybe we could also stop electing people who have deviant sexual lives, people who do, in fact, believe in God, people who embrace life, people who didn't aspire to power their entire lives, like class presidents who rise through staffers in Congress for their entire careers. maybe people who've actually employed others and people who are married and have children and display the kind of values that represent this old school yeah i mean so in that sense i think it's there's hope yes it's always like the phoenix always comes up from the ashes yes so it does seem like you have to burn it down yeah i mean it was burning so it's like if it's gonna burn down might as well throw the accelerant on there, get it over with and start over.

1:16:40Absolutely. Slow death is not a good death. I don't know. It's like, I don't know. Maybe I'm just naive because I just feel like, okay, Trump ran for office on a very positive agenda that I was very much behind. He's completely blown up the Middle East promises and the no war promises. That's obvious. He does seem very much attuned to what those massive interest groups want him to do. all politicians basically are or have to be. Otherwise they can't get elected. Like that's, it's very rare to find the man who can say, I'm not taking any of their money and I don't care what they have to say and can get elected.

1:17:20Like their money controls everything. It manipulates us at every turn, whether we know it or not. So like you can have an honest guy like that, say something like that, like a Massey. I think Rand Paul is also honest. Like I do think he's got his principles and he votes on his principles. He doesn't give a shit whether you like them or not. Very much so. So he's gotten up to that level, U.S. Senate. He's, you know, none of the Pauls has ever been able to cross over to the next level. So I guess I'm still clinging to the hope that Trump can get back to at least the pieces of the agenda that aren't controlled by those people.

1:17:54You know, like maybe we can, like, I'm concerned because the Easter breakfast tape that was leaked of Trump talking to the group was Trump saying the government, federal government really can't do anything other than foreign policy. And that seemed to be a moment of honesty for him. He's not totally wrong either, if we're being honest and fair to him. Like the federal government really can't do that much, at least not without 60 votes in the U.S. Senate. It does require, well, they should get rid of the filibuster. It does seem clear that they should. They can't. They don't have the votes to. Right, I know.

1:18:30They don't even have 51 Republicans. No, I'm aware. But yes, that debate has been ongoing for the last 15 years. They should do something about it. He's right, I think. But to address it, you have to fix it. You have to address it. You have to focus on it. You have to declare that it's a priority for you, as he did during the campaign. And he's been so distracted by the war for Israel. so he has some obviously his power he's revealed this to his power the power of the chief executive in america is is not only diminished but it's revealed to have been well diminished what people expected um but if he pivoted if he solved this problem in the middle east by disengaging from israel um and returned his focus to a domestic focus there's a lot to address here in america He addressed it well.

1:19:22He articulated a path forward that wasn't going to be easy, but that was achievable and that was supported by not just the coalition that voted for him. By the way, as you know better than most, a coalition that had really never been assembled in our demographic America and our lifetimes. So many people love this country. So many people have worked really hard and sacrificed for this. so many people before Donald Trump.

1:19:51And he needs to recalibrate. He needs to refocus on American Americans. And he will be able to affect some change if he does that. I actually don't have any faith that he will. I think he's demonstrated that he can't. The most positive thing you said was the small executive. That's what we need. Yes. That's what we need. I don't want a big presidency at all, whether it's Trump or anybody else. Pick the politician you most deeply admire, whoever it is. I don't want them to have a big presidency. Like, let's shrink it down. Like, politics was supposed to be controlled at the local level. The states were supposed to be more autonomous.

1:20:24It's only in recent modern American history that we've gotten into this weird cult of personality around the president. And we're all focused on our president. And we like to imbue him with all sorts of powers with his magic wand to come in and do things like crime fighting at the local level. it's mostly probably the media's fault for not focusing at all on state and local elections where differences actually can be made and who wins the state house actually has far more effect on your life than who wins the White House it is a cultural problem though because it used to be a part-time legislature and the federal government is not there to do anything other than protect the homeland and keep the currency and the economy running, basically.

1:21:14I mean, obviously, it has other roles, but it should not be involved in every aspect of Americans' lives as it is now. Someone said to me the other day, they were talking about all the various regulatory stuff, and they're like, I tried to build a shed in my backyard, and the government showed up and told me I couldn't because it didn't meet all of these various requirements. And yet, and yet, and yet our government just gets away with. Did he build the shed anyway? No. Oh, too bad. Yeah, they live in the wrong state. It's one of those things that Mike Rowe, he's always lamenting that we've gotten to this weird safety culture.

1:21:56Now, I mean, if you've applied for a permit and it's been denied, then you really are taking a risk of getting fined by your locals if you build it anyway. So I take the point. But do you ever find yourself standing at the stop sign when you're trying to cross and no one's coming or red light? No. And you don't go. And you're like, never. What am I doing? Yeah. Committed jaywalkers. So I find myself like, what am I doing? No, walk, walk. You're fine. Like we've gotten too compliant. I think we've gotten too compliant. Oh, there's no doubt about it. I mean, I'm getting harangued by people not wearing a mask outside in the rain during COVID.

1:22:33or walking in the park with my dogs. People need to be individually responsible for their own actions, individually responsible for the lives and the safety of their children and their families, and need to toughen up, obviously. And you can't look to the state to protect you. One, that's very clear. The state is not going to protect you. As a dog owner, you're not going to call the cops if you have someone outside your house. Shoot your dog and probably shoot you. If I opened the door and my dog ran out there, they'd be terrified for a good 30 seconds until he licked them and snuggled them and gave him his paws.

1:23:08100%. But there's a good chance they might shoot him on the way over. Yeah, right. It's terrible. No, a small, yes, a small federal government. I hope it's achievable. As you said earlier, maybe the only option is it has to emulate. Yeah. Well, all right. I want to, I want to talk about another big piece of news, which is Carmelo Anthony. This is a story that we've been following closely here, and it kind of relates to where we kicked off the show, which is this, everything's been reduced to race, you know, whether it's Henry Novak, or it's what happened in Northern Ireland, or now what's happening down in Frisco, Texas, where the case is now with the jury.

1:23:47I'll take a break, and then we'll come back, and we'll talk about what happened in the closing arguments, where I maintain it's just going terribly for the defense, but it did get interesting in the defense's closing argument. They've given the jury something to latch onto if it wants to. And as I pointed out earlier, they've given them a manslaughter charge to consider now, which is a good thing for Carmelo Anthony. You might already own a firearm, but what if you could start with less lethal methods to avoid the financial and mental repercussions of pulling the trigger? This is where Berna comes in.

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1:27:50Buckley Carlson is back with me now. I would say the one and only, but there is another Buckley Carlson. Tucker's son is named Buckley. That must have gotten confusing. He hasn't gotten my credit card bills yet or been served with any legal papers. That we know of. No, he's just excellent. Okay. It's quite an honor. This is Uncle Buck, as Tucker told us. Everyone in the Tucker branch of the family loves Uncle Buck. I am reliably informed. Okay, so this case, Carmelo Anthony, is very disturbing. And here is what we know as of this hour. Okay. Okay. The defense asked for manslaughter to be added as a possible new charge in the charging documents.

1:28:34The judge, John Roach Jr., ruled on Tuesday that the jury may indeed consider it along with murder. That's very, very good for the defense because this guy looks, I mean, unless some massive jury nullification happens, there's going to be a conviction here. The proof was overwhelming. The defense was pathetic. And if they get the manslaughter charge, that's very good because at least then you get a chance of like heartstrings of the jury. The defendant is only 17 at the time he commits the crime. He does not have a criminal history. He doesn't seem to have been in trouble with the law prior to this.

1:29:10By any reports, what makes you so callous, you stab a knife into a 17-year-old boy's heart who taps you to say you have to leave his tent is something we're going to have to deal with here. But it is very possible that they'll go for the manslaughter charge. Here is what we heard in the final arguments, the defense and the closing argument. The guy's name is Mike Howard representing him. He's not legal aid, by the way. There are some reports online because people produced a GoFundMe for him that had$600 ,000 to$900 ,000 in it. And everyone online, a lot of people are outraged saying he wound up with a public defender.

1:29:49What did he do with the money? Because they were at this mansion, he and his parents and his family, for the past year pending this case. And it turns out they were renting that place. They did use some of that money, but they are paying this lawyer. He used to be legal aid, but now he's in private practice. He's not impressive. I'm sorry, Mike Howard, you're not. Began his closing argument today and ended it as well. The jury has the case saying Austin Metcalf, he's the dead boy. He's the victim, had no legal right to use force to eject Carmelo Anthony from that tent. He had the right to ask him to leave, but he didn't have any legal right to use force.

1:30:29Of course, this ignores the fact that any responsive force has to be proportionate to the force that was used on you. Had Carmelo Anthony pushed Austin Metcalfe back, we wouldn't be here. Yes, perfectly justifiable. Yeah, you may not respond to a push with a stab wound to the heart. The government wants to make this case about Melo could have just left. I'm sure he wishes he did. We all do. He mentions that Metcalfe's twin brother, Hunter, had confronted Anthony allegedly shortly before the stabbing, despite testimony that did not show any evidence of that. So he's just throwing random made-up facts into his closing.

1:31:06Mello had an absolute right to defend himself, he said. If you wait until it's too late to defend yourself, it's meaningless. Again, that's not the law, and this is not going to be consistent with what the jury gets charged on proportionate responses when it comes to physicality. He questioned whether all witnesses who testified at the trial were truthful. Metcalf's family friend who was present in the audience was visibly upset during Howard's closing, shaking her head, mouthing, what is this? As Michael Howard repeated several falsehoods, Carmelo Anthony watched his lawyer intently as he spoke on behalf of his client.

1:31:45And let's see, he said, oh, he was making a big deal of the fact that Carmelo Anthony did not run after he stabbed Austin Metcalf, saying he stayed there crying. He was upset. That's not exactly escaping like the guilty do. He had every opportunity to go right out that exit. We heard about his emotions. Every single person who saw him said he was crying. What did he say? He said he's not going to die. It's clear he thought he stabbed him in a place that Austin was not going to die. And he claimed that that Austin, the victim, reportedly said to Carmelo, according to a witness, if you don't move, I'll beat your ass again.

1:32:27OK, there's that's not what the overwhelming testimony was here. And he says, as much as we may not like it, even even a 17 year old kid can legally have a five and a half inch knife, even in a high school stadium. It's a violation of policy, but not a crime. Texas law does not require that you wait until you get hit to respond. Ask yourself, has the government ruled out reasonable doubt when you put yourself in Mello's shoes under that tent? So that's where it's going. Here's one more. We know it was raining. The Texas weather's crazy. We know it's easy to think, boy, I better get out of this rain.

1:33:06In other words, he wasn't being intentionally provocative going into their tent. He just wanted to get out of the rain. he said you have to put yourself in his shoes. You start under the tent. You want to get out of the rain. Sure enough, one of the people at the other school says, yeah, come on over. He claims he was invited by one person. Then all of a sudden, Hunter Metcalf or Austin say, who are you? You all need to leave. These guys are much bigger than you. Do you turn your back and walk away and take a chance that these teenage boys with their raging hormones might come after you? Austin and Hunter had the right to tell Mello to leave, but they did not have the right to use deadly force to make him leave.

1:33:42This is what he's trying to spin. Mello had an absolute right to defend himself against that. How do you know in a split second of chaos when it's too late? If you wait too late to defend yourself, self-defense is meaningless. And once again, suggesting he didn't know he stabbed him in the heart, Buckley. This is, I mean, it's tough to swallow. It's tough to swallow. And it's such a horrible tragedy for Austin and Hunter Metcalf and their family. I will say from what I know of this case, I have followed it peripherally. and I'm not a lawyer, but it is just sad. It's a sad indictment of race relations in this country, which have gotten so much worse in my lifetime, with huge thanks to Barack Obama, of course, but also to the national media, you accepted.

1:34:28It's, you know, most Americans live in harmony and treat each other well, and it's just so dispiriting when all these race hosts, hucksters come, these predators come out of the woodwork. I have seen a lot of his, quote, supporters, Carmelo Anthony's supporters in the crowd saying despicable things like, you know, we come from where we come from. We killed the crackers and outrageous racial stuff. We played one yesterday of a black woman down there saying we protect ours. Yeah, it's right. It's a red line of O.J. Simpson completely. and all the other cases that have come since that have been made famous by people who have an interest in making it famous but it's not American public's interest it's a great country, great people and each case needs to be dealt with individually and I hope there will be some justice here.

1:35:21Sounds like manslaughter is a pretty reasonable conclusion to what I'm about. I think it should be a murder conviction, absolutely there has to be a conviction on something. 100%. But this was murder. This was murder. He brought the knife into the tent. He provoked Austin Metcalf to lay hands on him. He, without warning, stuck a knife in Austin's heart. He knew full well what that would lead to. This wasn't crime of passion. He created it. I mean, if I were the prosecutor, I could make a good argument. This was premeditated from before he walked into the tent that he brought a knife to a track meet.

1:35:58He took the weapon with him into an opposing team's tent where he knew he shouldn't have been. It's a provocative move. He then antagonized this kid, Austin Metcalf, and encouraged him to do something aggressive toward him. I think that this kid was planning all along to stab him. I mean, why else would he have been reaching into the bag when he was like, go ahead, go ahead, lay hands on me? I just think, I think this was premeditated and I think it was murder. So I hope they find that. I'm with you completely. I misspoke when I said it. It seems like manslaughter would be the most likely outcome.

1:36:35It seems like just absolutely murder. It's got to be the bare minimum. My producers are telling me that the Black Panthers are there now. Of course they are. I've got pictures of that. Yeah, let's see. They've come from the polling booths? Here, there. Yes, exactly. Yeah. I'm sure that'll help. Terrific. He's like, what are we going to see? Like Black Panther riots when we get a guilty verdict. Honestly, if we don't get a guilty verdict, you could see massive protests the other way. There's just, this case is open and shut. There is no reasonable doubt. And I would tell you if I saw anything that they could really exploit, there isn't.

1:37:07There wasn't. You know, you just said something interesting that I wanted to ask you about. The race relations having been absolutely crushed in this country by Barack Obama. And it reminded me of something you said when you were on Tucker's show about how this is one of the reasons you became so disappointed. and a politician you had previously admired, John McCain. Yes. Because he would not take the case, like make the case about Barack Obama. And for that matter, Mitt Romney didn't make the case. And Mitt Romney even worse than McCain because, I mean, McCain had a lot of fodder on this front with Reverend Wright and all that too.

1:37:44But he'd been governing for four years and Mitt Romney didn't go there. But Barack Obama, the truth is, while he was supposed to be our first like black president, we're gonna settle all the race relations, was the most divisive president when it comes to the issue of race that we've had in modern times. And you're right. No Republican would make the case against them because they were scared. They were a word I don't say on this show that begins with P. Feline? Like a kitty cat. Yes, they were. No, he interjected himself multiple times and Barack Obama did. First, the Skip Gates nonsense at Harvard And Skip Gates had been stopped by the police, having no key, trying to get into his house.

1:38:27And Barack Obama and the media made it an enormous thing. And then when Trayvon Martin, who clearly had attacked that fellow and was trying to kill him, and then that guy defended himself. Zimmerman. Zimmerman, exactly. And injected race into it when it clearly was not a racial case. They were neither one of them were white anyway, so it didn't really fit the standard for them. But and we'd never seen that before. Presidents didn't normally weigh in on legal cases at all, never mind on the race of the parties and how that spoke to us as a country. Meanwhile, he's like, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon.

1:39:03What? I was just going to say that. But he yes, that they'd never interjected themselves in a case like that. But Barack Obama, at the same time he injected himself in the case, then took enormous credit for being like fair and balanced and not involved, which he did on several other fronts. And then he came up with the most annoying phrase ever from someone who's not an American, who doesn't display the priorities of a lot of Americans and said, that's just not who we are. Well, we don't need the government telling us. We don't need an elected politician telling us who we are. The American public know who American people know exactly who they are.

1:39:43They don't need someone else telling them that, especially someone who's so unimpressive and and so hostile towards his own citizens as Barack Obama was and white people, especially. The people who love Barack Obama to this day say it was a scandal free administration. There were no scandals. It's like that's not how we experienced it at all. They're still repeating that line, even though I think it's been conclusively proven that he engaged in obvious treason. He undermined the American people, the American government, the American president. Dropped a drone on an American citizen. Yes, exactly.

1:40:16Oh, extra constitutional actions all around. Seized one sixth of the U.S. economy without majority support to ram Obamacare down our throats, something from which the American public still has not recovered and boasted about it. elections have consequences you know fuck you and your doctor and your life 100 and absolutely no accountability for it like the left still lionizes him as though he were a true unifier it's just you know it's not true so i loved what you said i also got a big kick out of the fact that you what you one of the things you hated about john mccain was that he took on big tobacco go on as somebody who worked for the law firm that represented rj reynolds go on I can't believe we didn't meet each other back then.

1:41:02I know. I worked on that case as a lowly PR guy in Washington. Oh. Yeah, for a number of years. And I remember thinking, you're attacking an American institution, which is tobacco. And I also thought it was so hypocritical. One, people had known for a generation that tobacco and smoking isn't necessarily good for you. Okay, you have a choice. Drinking is not good for you. You have a choice to buy booze. Now, of course, you're encouraged to buy weed and pharmaceuticals and anything else you want. But it had also had an essential part in the American story economically. And at the same time, the federal government and every state in the country essentially had taken it upon themselves to invest their public employee funds, their retirement funds in tobacco at the same time they were attacking tobacco companies.

1:41:50It was repellent and it was a huge money grab and it enriched a lot of lawyers. I hope it helps you if you worked on it. I mean, I guess, yeah, by extension, I got a salary. But I actually never felt embarrassed about that work. I felt like, well, why wouldn't we defend R.J. Reynolds? I mean, the warnings were actually – everybody knew Smokey was bad for you. God bless you for working for R.J.R. I mean, it was the firm, but it was very good business and they were all sued. that we pretended for a lot of years that nobody had any idea smoking was bad for you. It's like, okay, in the very beginning, that was true.

1:42:24But more recent history, like, how did you not know that? It's just where it's kind of started a trend, right? Where it's like, nobody takes accountability for their own bad behavior. Nobody takes responsibility for their own decision-making. I don't know. It's like, we didn't used to be this way. There's literally no such thing as an accident in America in 2026. Someone is responsible. Someone other than you is responsible for what you do. I'm a big motorcyclist. I fly airplanes. Of course you do. No, but I've hated, I hate getting in my car and having that noise go off with your seatbelt. It's my choice if I want to wear a seatbelt or not.

1:43:05I actually mostly do. But I generally just want to kill some member of Congress when they hear this. And I've always wondered. I've always wondered as I'm holding a coffee cup and sometimes a cigarette when I'm driving. and I'm harangued to put my seatbelt on and I fiddle around trying to put it on as I'm driving. And I think, how many people have gotten in a head-on collision just so they could turn that noise off and put their seatbelt on? And now soon your car is going to be spying on you with like a camera and it's going to know everything you're doing and thinking and saying. I don't know who they're going to be reporting it to.

1:43:37Who's got the time to surf through that data? There's going to be a huge argument in formerly owned cars from before 2021. Yeah, I know. I don't think we're going to trade ours in. I think we're going to be like driving the 300 ,000 mile car. I just did 100 ,000 miles in my six year car. I love it. Never giving it up. Like I'm always on camera. I don't want to be on camera everywhere. You know, it's like it's hard enough to keep up the mascara and the lip gloss during, you know, 12 to two buckly. I don't think I can do it in my free time. Plus, you only have to investigate chat GPT for like 30 seconds to realize that it's not actually accurate at all times.

1:44:14Yeah. We're going to cede personal responsibility to a computer. No. We're doing it at a national level. Yes, we are. That's why our children won't be able to have jobs. Well, thankfully, yours will be with you and the dogs down south. Mine, I think, will probably be at the Jersey Shore. God help me. At least you don't have to pump your own gas. This has been so fun. I loved having you. Please come back any time. I would love to. Thank you so much. Oh, it's so, so much fun. best. Buckley Carlson, everybody. We're so lucky to have him. All right. And tomorrow, we're going to be bringing back Mark Halperin because there will be some results from several votes that have been taken today.

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