Somali Fraud Probe Widens, Infant Hep B Vax Guidance Changes, Netflix's WB Mega-Deal: AM Update 12/8

8 Dec 2025 · 24 min

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Somali Fraud Probe Widens, Infant Hep B Vax Guidance Changes, Netflix's WB Mega-Deal: AM Update 12/8

Episode Summary In this episode, Megyn Kelly discusses several pressing topics, including federal investigations into fraud involving Minnesota's Somali community, a significant shift in Hepatitis B vaccination recommendations for newborns, and Netflix's major acquisition of Warner Bros. The episode also touches on President Trump's recent comments regarding Democratic Congressman Henry Cuellar, whom he recently pardoned.

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Key Topics Discussed

  1. Minnesota Fraud Investigation
  2. Overview:
  3. Federal scrutiny has intensified over Minnesota's public programs amid allegations of widespread fraud involving the Somali community.
  4. Investigators discovered more than $1 billion in fraud tied to various welfare programs.
  5. Key Figures:
  6. Dr. Mehmet Oz, head of CMS, has taken action against fraud-ridden programs.
  7. Congressman Ilhan Omar defends the Somali community, asserting they are the real victims of fraud.
  8. Allegations and Reactions:
  9. High-profile cases involve allegations of connections to Islamic terrorist group Al-Shabaab.
  10. Critics claim political patronage is involved in allowing the fraud to continue.
  11. Whistleblowers suggest the total fraud could exceed $8 billion.
  1. Hepatitis B Vaccine Schedule Changes
  2. Background:
  3. The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) has voted to revise the Hepatitis B vaccination schedule for newborns.
  4. New guidance suggests parents of negative-tested mothers can delay the vaccine until the child is at least two months old.
  5. Controversy:
  6. The decision has sparked backlash from legacy media and former health officials, who see it as a threat to public health.
  7. Critics argue that the change undermines decades of public health efforts against Hepatitis B.
  8. Expert Opinions:
  9. Some medical professionals express concerns about the evidence used to support the vaccine’s safety and efficacy.
  1. Netflix Acquires Warner Bros.
  2. Deal Overview:
  3. Netflix announces the acquisition of Warner Bros., marking a significant shift in the film and entertainment industry.
  4. The deal, valued at $82.7 billion, raises questions about the future of theatrical movie releases.
  5. Industry Impact:
  6. The acquisition is seen as a potential threat to traditional movie theaters, with concerns that Netflix may prioritize streaming over theatrical releases.
  7. Industry insiders express skepticism regarding Netflix's commitment to maintaining the theatrical experience.
  8. Cultural Commentary:
  9. Experts discuss the implications of losing the shared cinematic experience, particularly for younger generations.
  1. Trump's Feud with Congressman Cuellar
  2. Context:
  3. President Trump recently pardoned Congressman Henry Cuellar and his wife, who faced serious allegations.
  4. Following the pardon, Trump criticized Cuellar for planning to run for reelection as a Democrat.
  5. Cuellar's Response:
  6. Cuellar maintains his bipartisan approach and expresses willingness to work with both parties, despite Trump's criticisms.
  7. Political Implications:
  8. The ongoing feud highlights the complexities of loyalty and party dynamics in contemporary politics.

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Key Takeaways

  • Fraud in Minnesota: The investigation signifies the need for accountability in welfare programs and highlights the intersection of politics and community dynamics.
  • Vaccine Policy Changes: The change in Hepatitis B vaccine recommendations illustrates the ongoing debate over vaccination practices and public health, reflecting shifting societal attitudes toward vaccines.
  • Entertainment Industry Evolution: The Netflix and Warner Bros. deal represents a landmark moment in media consolidation, reshaping how content is produced and consumed, with potential drawbacks for traditional cinema.
  • Political Dynamics: Trump's comments reflect the unpredictable nature of political alliances and the implications of pardoning amid ongoing investigations.

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Closing Remarks Megyn Kelly emphasizes the importance of transparency, personal responsibility, and informed decision-making in both public health and political arenas. The episode concludes with a reminder for listeners to tune in for more discussions on significant and contentious issues facing society today.

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0:02Good morning, everyone. I'm Megan Kelly. It's Monday, December 8th, 2025. And this is your AM update. Our message to all is clear. Either fix this in 60 days or start looking under your couch for spare change. Federal scrutiny of Minnesota public programs increasing amid reports of widespread fraud by the Somali community. It's a really sad day for science and vaccines and immunology. A federal panel votes to revise the hepatitis B newborn vaccine schedule, triggering a barrage of outcry from legacy media. Netflix announces a major deal to purchase Warner Brothers, a move expected to shake up the entire entertainment landscape with massive ramifications.

0:46What does it mean for you and your popcorn? And President Trump now feuding with a Democrat congressman he just pardoned a few days ago. All that and more coming up in just a moment on your AM Update.

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1:41Dr. Mehmet Oz, the administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, or CMS, on Friday putting Minnesota on notice, finding 14 additional services within the state's Medicaid program show, quote, high-risk indicators of fraud, following the discovery of more than $1 billion in fraud connected to several other welfare programs in the state. The vast majority of these fraud schemes connected to Minnesota's large politically active Somali community. City Journal and The New York Times reporting on widespread fraud largely connected to a meals program, a housing program, and an autism therapy program.

2:20Of the 86 people already charged in connection with these schemes, all but eight are members of Minnesota's Somali community, according to The Times. Multiple federal agencies and a congressional committee now formally investigating Minnesota's social programs. Dr. Oz in a social media video expanding on early findings. When CMS became aware of the housing program situation, Minnesota insisted it could clean up its own mess. A few months ago, it admitted it could not. So we stepped in to shut down the fraud-infested housing initiative. Today, we're taking action on more than a dozen other programs, which I've outlined in the post below.

3:00Our message to Walls is clear. Either fix this in 60 days or start looking under your couch for spare change, because we are done footing the bill for your incompetence. Dr. Oz calling out the Somali community specifically and accusing Democrat Governor Tim Walls of being too afraid of potential political backlash to do anything to stop the alleged fraud, saying, quote, Minnesota politicians get elected with Somali votes and keep the money flowing. This isn't just fraud. It's political patronage at public expense. Fox News reporting Friday that whistleblowers told lawmakers the total amount of fraud could be over$8 billion.

3:37Treasury Secretary Scott Besant overseeing a probe into whether any of the stolen money made its way to Al-Shabaab, an Islamic terror organization based in Somalia. This follows reporting from the Manhattan Institute's City Journal, that, quote, Minnesota's Somali community has sent untold millions through a network of hawalas, informal clan-based money traders that have wound up in the coffers of Al-Shabaab. Multiple sources telling the outlet that Somalis in the U.S. send money back to their home country, where the terror group takes a cut. Many defenders of the Somali community, including Minnesota's most famous Somali, Congresswoman Ilhan Omar, saying there's no evidence of that.

4:19Here she is yesterday on Face the Nation. How confident are you that that's a false claim? I'm pretty confident at the moment because there are people who have been prosecuted and who have been sentenced. If there was a linkage in that the money that they had stolen going to terrorism, then that is a failure of the FBI and our court system in not figuring that out. and basically charging them with these charges. The congresswoman also says Somalis are the real victims here. Of the 87 people charged, all but eight are of Somali descent. And that has added to the spotlight being put specifically on your community.

5:10Why do you think this fraud was allowed to get so widespread? Well, I want to say, you know, this also has an impact on Somalis because we are also taxpayers in Minnesota. We also could have benefited from the program and the money that was stolen. And so it's been really frustrating for people to not acknowledge the fact that we're also, as Minnesotans, as taxpayers, really upset and angry about the fraud that has occurred. Secretary Besson also yesterday on CBS warning the absence of proof today does not mean investigators will not find wrongdoing tomorrow. Okay, but you have no evidence of that money being used to fuel terrorism.

6:02at this point, which is what some conservative rioters are alleging. That's why it's an investigation. We started it last week. We'll see where it goes. But I can tell you that, you know, it's terrible. You know, Representative Omar tried to downplay it. So, you know, when you come to this country, you've got to learn which side of the road to drive on. You've got to learn to stop the stop signs. And you've got to learn not to defraud the American people. The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, or ACIP, ACIP, the federal body that sets vaccine guidance, voting Friday to drop the decades-old recommendation that every newborn receive the Hep B vaccine at birth.

6:42Hepatitis B is a liver disease caused by an extremely contagious virus. The panel voting 8-3 to give mothers who test negative for the virus more discretion over the timing of their infant's Hepatitis B shot, now advising those parents to wait for the baby to be at least two months old before receiving the first dose, if at all. Since Hep B is transmitted sexually or through IV drug use, Dr. Martin Kulldorff, chairman of the CDC's Vaccine Advisory Committee, saying in June that unless the mother is Hep B positive, an argument could be made to postpone this vaccine. FDA Chief Marty McCary explains it may make more sense to wait until kids are approaching sexual age.

7:27Quote, a lot of parents wait until the children are 10, 11, or 12. Prior to the advisory committee vote, the schedule calling for a day one dose, and then a second round at one to two months, and a third from six to 15 months. The immediate vaccination policy still applying to infants whose mothers already have hepatitis B or whose status is unknown, which Dr. Macari says makes sense. The CDC first recommended this vaccine in 1982 for people deemed at high risk, drug users, pregnant women, and infants born to hepatitis B positive mothers. By 1992, the CDC shifted the recommendation to all newborns due to, quote, the difficulty of vaccinating high-risk adults.

8:15The goal was to eliminate hep B entirely, which didn't happen, probably because the CDC says vaccine-induced antibodies decline with time. Insurers say the vote will not change the availability of this vaccine, according to CNN, and parents who want it for their child will still be able to get it at no cost. Prior to the vaccine becoming ubiquitous in the 1990s, the U.S. saw about 20 ,000 cases of Hep B in newborn babies each year out of about 4.1 million babies born in, for example, 1991. The number then dropping to about 20 after the vaccine introduction, according to U.S. Senator from Louisiana, Bill Cassidy, a Republican medical doctor.

8:59The vote coming after years of growing parental concern about the number of vaccines, many of which contain aluminum, given to day-old newborns, and questions about the need for a day-one vaccination against a disease most newborns are at extremely low risk of contracting. News of the vote sending legacy media and Democrats into a tailspin, Reuters reporting the new ACIP panel appointed by HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. earlier this year after firing the entire board, has now, quote, turned back the clock on disease prevention, citing former ACIP member Dr. William Schaffner. Here's a sampling from MS Now and CNN, beginning with Dr.

9:41Dimitri Daskalakis, who resigned from his position at the CDC earlier this year. He might remember the doctor from his appearance on the cover of HIV Plus magazine wearing an unbuttoned shirt and leather pentagram harness. He's a big fan of preferred pronouns and of the term pregnant people because, you know, science. It's a really sad day for science and vaccines and immunology. Wow, but it's really been, since he's taken office, death by a thousand cuts. So our country is in danger. Say that I and my colleagues couldn't sleep last night because we know that all of this movement and these recommendations represent a broken promise to American families.

10:23Dark day today. The Vaccine Advisory Committee, handpicked by R.F. Kennedy Jr., did exactly what everyone worried about when the anti-vaxxer was first named health secretary. Because let's be clear, what happened today was politics. There was no new science. Senator Cassidy, who voted to confirm Senator Kennedy, posting on X, quote, this change to the vaccine schedule is a mistake. The hep B vaccine is safe and effective. The birth dose is a recommendation, not a mandate. Ending the recommendation for newborns makes it more likely the number of cases will begin to increase again. This makes America sicker.

10:59ACIP member Dr. Tracy Beth Hoag, the acting director of the FDA's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research, taking issue with the safety studies used to approve the hep B vaccine at the ACIP meeting last week. The U.S. is an outlier in recommending a universal birth dose of the hepatitis B vaccine compared to other high-income nations. And the data that we used to approve the hepatitis B vaccines for infants were based on studies that had very short-term follow-up and no control group. There was not even a control group. It was just an observational study. We would never approve a vaccine based on data like those today.

11:38So we are working with very low-level evidence here. And we have very limited confidence in what we say when we say these vaccines are safe. and so we have established that it does cause anaphylaxis, rarely fever, reactogenicity and so I think that I agree with Retsev that we need to be humble when we're saying that we have the evidence that the benefits outweigh the harms here of giving this vaccine and again, I think that there's a reason that peer nations to the United States do not recommend this vaccine routinely at birth. Acting CDC Director Jim O 'Neill will now decide whether to approve the panel's recommendation The timeline on that is unclear.

12:18Shortly after the panel vote on Friday, President Trump posting on social media, quote, I have just signed a presidential memorandum directing the Department of Health and Human Services to fast-track a comprehensive evaluation of vaccine schedules from other countries around the world and better align the U.S. vaccine schedule so it is finally rooted in the gold standard of science and common sense. The memorandum pointing to other developed nations, Denmark, Japan, and Germany, each of which vaccinates against fewer diseases than the U.S. Coming up, Netflix announcing a deal to buy a major Hollywood studio in a major industry shakeup.

12:59And President Trump slamming a Democrat congressman he pardoned less than a week ago.

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14:27Yes, Netflix and Warner Brothers Discovery announcing on Friday an agreement for the streamer to purchase the media company's film and TV studios, including HBO Max, The Streaming Service, and HBO The Cable Channel. One of the big five movie studios, a relic of old Hollywood, now moving under a streaming platform, shaking up the entire entertainment industry. Warner Bros. shareholders set to receive a mix of cash and Netflix stock in the$82.7 billion transaction. Other Warner Bros. Discovery properties, including CNN, HGTV, and the Food Network, set to be spun off in 2026 into a separate company to be called Discovery Global.

15:10Major intellectual property, or IP, including Game of Thrones, the DC Comics Universe, Harry Potter, The Sopranos, classics like Gone with the Wind, and much more will now operate under the Netflix umbrella, Netflix saying it plans to maintain Warner Bros. operations, including theatrical releases, for now. Some within the industry remain skeptical. The New York Times, reporting a group of anonymous film producers, sent a letter to Congress on Thursday expressing, quote, grave concerns about the purchase. Quote, Netflix views any time spent watching a movie in a theater as time not spent on their platform.

15:48They have no incentive to support theatrical exhibition, and they have every incentive to kill it. The move comes amid a years-long decline in movie theater ticket sales, which accelerated during the COVID pandemic. Screen Rant reporting that this year, when adjusted for inflation, was the worst box office summer since 1981. Probably because the movies stink, not because we wouldn't go see really good ones if they would make them. Netflix securing the deal after a weeks-long bidding war against Paramount Skydance and Comcast. The transaction expected to close in 12 to 18 months. it will require regulatory approval from the Trump administration.

16:29If the deal collapses, Netflix will pay Warner Brothers a$5.8 billion breakup fee. News of the deal raising skepticism among culture observers on what it will mean for a legacy studio to be absorbed by a streaming giant. From entertainment writer Sasha Stone, quote, With streaming, there is no free market pressure, no quality control. You don't have to motivate people to leave their homes. You don't need big stars to drive box office. And best of all, you can ignore the silent majority that has tuned you out long ago. Hate the trans agenda being shoved down everyone's throat? Too bad. Your boycotts are a drop in the bucket at Netflix.

17:08We spoke with the host of the Hollywood in Toto podcast, Christian Toto, about how this deal could affect the cultural landscape. He points out Netflix is primarily interested in making money and points to one bright spot. But there was that time with Netflix and Dave Chappelle. Sasha is a real eye on Hollywood and knows what she's talking about. The one thing I'll throw into the situation is that Netflix came into a pretty tough situation a few years ago with Dave Chappelle. And at that particular point, they could have said, OK, we're going to take the Dave Chappelle special, which some deemed to be offensive off our platform.

17:44But they stuck by him, even though there was a lot of noise and anger against him and against what he said on that particular special. And that was a cultural moment where Netflix realized that there's money to be made by reaching out to a whole different group of audiences where you didn't have to just play to the woke crowd. You could reach out to right of center fans and themselves. So while I understand what Sasha Stone says about what this change will bring to Hollywood, I also think Netflix at the business level understands that they've got a lot of people to entertain and a bigger tent means more money for them.

18:16Despite Netflix's stated commitment to continuing theatrical releases, Toto believes ultimately that business model may not prove to be effective, leading to the end, or a drastic scaling down of movies in theaters from Warner Brothers. In an effort to keep theaters alive, many actors and filmmakers now marketing the theater experience itself, practically begging audiences to go see their movie rather than waiting for the streaming services to pick it up. Legendary filmmaker Steven Spielberg in this ad, pushing audiences to see Hamnet, which he produced and Chloe Zhao directed. It's really important for audiences to go see a film like Hamnet in theaters because of the audience, because an audience means more than four people.

19:00The way I see an audience, it is a large congregation of people who perhaps are not at all like-minded, except they enter the room, and we share an experience together as strangers. We feel the room, and we feel the audience, and we hear the laughs. and we feel the tears and we share emotion. And that doesn't happen when you're just a half dozen people watching something on a 50th screen. Toto tells us the possible loss of the theater-going experience is not something to take lightly. I do mourn the potential loss of a theatrical experience. I think when you look at the younger generation, they're wrapped up in their phones, they're playing with their friends online with video games.

19:40They're not actually meeting face-to-face. and I think there is something lost from a cultural perspective if the theaters go away or whether they're diminished in a significant way you know whether it's the mall culture where teens hang out and they talk to their friends and they flirt with girls and guys there is something about being in the presence of other people that it's it seems in crazy to say but we're losing that a bit I mean element of that bigger picture but and you know I think to lose that would be significant and again some things are inevitable this may be inevitable but I don't think we should lose it or push it away lightly.

20:15Less than a week after issuing Democrat Representative Henry Cuellar of Texas and his wife a pardon, President Trump now slamming the congressman. The Biden DOJ indicting Congressman Cuellar and his wife in May of 2024 on 14 counts, including bribery, wire fraud and money laundering. Prosecutors accusing the Cuellars of accepting $600 ,000 in bribes from an oil company owned by the government of Azerbaijan and a Mexican bank. The couple's trial was set to begin April of 2026. The Cuellars pleading not guilty to the charges, arguing the case amounted to political retaliation after the congressman, who represents a border district, criticized then-President Biden's immigration policies.

20:58Last week, President Trump announcing the pair of pardons in a Truth Social post, quote, Sleepy Joe went after the Congressman and even the Congressman's wonderful wife, Imelda, simply for speaking the truth. I am hereby announcing my full and unconditional pardon of beloved Texas Congressman Henry Cuellar and Imelda. Henry, I don't know you, but you can sleep well tonight. Your nightmare is finally over. Mr. Trump attributing the decision, which was reportedly made without Mr. and Mrs. Cuellar's advanced knowledge, to a letter written by the Congressman's daughters to the President on behalf of their parents.

21:34Later that same day of the pardon, despite speculation that he might switch parties, Mr. Cuellar filing the paperwork to run for re-election as a Democrat. Yesterday morning, President Trump sharply criticizing the move on Truth Social, quote, I never spoke to the congressman, his wife, or his daughters, but felt very good about fighting for a family that was tormented by very sick and deranged people. I signed the papers and said to people in the Oval office that I just did a very good, perhaps life-saving thing. God was very happy with me that day. Then it happened. The Post continuing, quote, Congressman Henry Cuellar announced that he will be running for Congress again in the great state of Texas as a Democrat, continuing to work with the same radical left scum that just weeks before wanted him and his wife to spend the rest of their lives in prison, and probably still do.

22:25Such a lack of loyalty, something that Texas voters and Henry's daughters will not like. Oh, well, next time, no more Mr. Nice Guy. Mr. Cuellar, Sunday on Fox, responding to the criticism. Let me just say this. I was at church this morning with my wife. I prayed for the president. I prayed for his family. And I prayed for the presidency because if the president succeeds, the country succeeds. And again, as a probably the most bipartisan individual, I don't vote party. I vote for what's right for the country. And I am a conservative Democrat, but I will work with the president. I've reached out to his administration.

23:10The Texas Tribune reporting Cuellar has yet to draw a serious primary contender ahead of the March primary election, the general election set for November 3rd, 2026. And that'll do it for your AM update. I'm Megan Kelly. Join me back here for the MK Show, live on SiriusXM's The Megan Kelly Channel, 111 at noon east, on youtube.com slash megankelly, and on all podcast platforms.

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Federal scrutiny of Minnesota’s public programs intensifies as investigators uncover expansive fraud tied to the state’s Somali community. A federal advisory panel votes to revise the Hepatitis B newborn vaccine schedule, igniting fierce backlash from legacy media and some former health officials. Netflix strikes a blockbuster deal to buy Warner Bros., a move poised to upend Hollywood and reshape the future of theatrical movies. President Trump publicly lashes out at Democratic Congressman Henry Cuellar just days after granting him and his wife full pardons. 


 

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