Taylor Swift's "Big Fat Disney Wedding," Prince Harry's UK Plot, and Nancy Guthrie Ransom Note Debate, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1352

25:47Maybe that's why she was at the Knicks game. She was doing research for her wedding. Yeah, I think that the floral arrangements came. I can't wait to see the inside of this thing. I can't. I can't either. I mean, like a lavender castle. I mean, I suppose this really is a dream for a lot of women. This is the last thing I would want for my own nuptials. The last thing. Though we did get married at a castle. You did? Yeah, we got married at Ohika Castle out in Huntington, Long Island, which is spectacular. But it was very classy. We had to get married outside of a church because I didn't have my marriage annulled.

26:18It's an ongoing thing. And it was spectacular. We got married in this ballroom that has fireplaces at both ends. It was March 1st. We had a cherry blossom set. We had just started. But it was snowing outside, Maureen. It was so beautiful. And we kept as small as like 125, around 130 people. And it was the most romantic day of my life by far. Oh, that's wonderful. Spectacular. But with that number of people, it was truly friends. We didn't go for like 1 ,000 or 2 ,000 or MSG. It's like we kept it intimate to people who actually we were connected to and who are connected to us. Right. Unlike, you know, Meghan Markle, you know, inviting Oprah and George Clooney and celebrities she had never before.

27:01Or Lauren Sanchez. It's like, what is Sidney Sweeney doing there? It was some Amazon deal. Remember? Oh, right. And Bezos owns Amazon, of course. It was like, she's not a friend. Why is she? And Tom Brady. OK, he's not a friend either. These are lies. These people just want to feel connected to celebrity. Exactly. And to me, it's such a desecration of what that day and that moment should really be about. Yes. So listen, I appreciate the spectacle. I appreciate the comedy. And I'm very much looking for, like, what does she do after this? What's the come down? Do you know what I mean? Baby, baby Kelsey is going to be the biggest news to hit the press in, what, 15 years.

27:44Does Taylor, quote unquote, ruin her body by carrying her own child? She will. She's from the South. She's like, she's a traditional gal at heart. I think she's right. She's from Tennessee. She's from a Christmas farm originally, Pennsylvania. Oh, yeah. That girl does not get the surrogate to carry her baby. Really? I don't think so. And Taylor's not known for her incredible body. You know, it's not like a Megan Fox situation where it's like, you think of her, that other one, Irina, who's constantly now talking about her sex. I don't know. But like, I think she'll have her own baby. Interesting.

28:16I think so. I like everyone should have their own baby. It's so crazy that that's become a vanity trend. Have your own damn baby. Like, what are you saying? You're going to farm out that? Well, some women actually can't. So, you know, you get, I get it. But I, I, I don't know. I think of someone of like her who's so vain. She's so vain. Like what drives me nuts is seeing her at all these games. And she, again, And she's like a teenage girl with like she'll wear the letterman's jacket, but it's like off the shoulder. So you have to be like sexy and like her like her pal, Blake. I was just going to say who's not on the list.

28:52Right. There had been some confusion. Like we weren't sure there was one report that she might have gotten the invite. She might have eked it out. But no, it looks like the answer is no, she wasn't invited. So and what a humiliation, because Blake and psycho arsonist Ryan live in downtown New York City in Tribeca. And they also have a place just north of there. They do. Around Chappaqua or someplace up there. But it's kind of like it's like your ex best friend is having. Oh, yeah. In your backyard. In your literal backyard. And you're not invited. Oh, yeah. And it's very high school. Shame. It's very mean girls.

29:26It's very like I love it. I love how like and the other thing that this wedding is doing for Taylor is we're not discussing anymore. Her active role in trying to destroy Justin Baldoni, which I will never forget. Taylor's. Yes, exactly. Yes. I know. She was a participant in all of that active participant. She's a mean, mean piece of work. And and Blake, it just comes out today. Yesterday is still working on destroying him. They she had to actually submit her demand. What what specifically is the demand for legal fees that you are technically entitled to under this California law that the court is using?

30:02And she says she wants him to pay$8 million on her legal fees just to defeat his defamation claim against her. So she sued him. She smeared him. She made up all these lies about him. He filed a counterclaim for defamation saying these are defamatory lies. She managed to get it dismissed on the papers. and thanks to this California law that it's weird, but whatever, it protects alleged sexual assault and harassment victims. She's entitled to her fees and she's claiming just to get his counterclaim dismissed cost her$8 million in legal fees. That is so outrageous. No one's, if she actually spent that, she's insane.

30:51She's not entitled to, you can get your reasonable fees paid to you, but to the end, she's punitive. She's punishing. I guarantee you Justin Baldoni doesn't have$8 million. You know who does? Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds. You can put probably another two zeros after that eight when you look at their fortune thanks to him. I really don't. I don't understand what she's doing here. I don't. I don't understand why she's dragging this narrative out. Does this help her? Is this going to make people like her more? No. And what's fascinating is she and Ryan are in such a weird bubble. Like they're all over Instagram posing these like happy.

31:26Yes, I've noticed. And they're going to do it this weekend too. Like they're going to be happier than ever that they weren't invited to the wedding of the century. You know, they're going to be having the time of their lives, you know, and it's such bullshit and we all know it. We know who these people are. Yeah. You know, they're awful, awful, miserable, rage filled human. I mean, talk about like, again, having a chasm that nothing will fill no amount of fame, no amount of money, no amount of success. They, you know, they have four children. and you would think they would just be happy with their lot in life.

31:57And they're not. She had to be a Me Too victim. She had to join the Me Too movement and stand up at the Time 100 and talk about her mother's alleged sexual assault as though it were her own. She needed sort of that glory, the valor of Me Too, rubbing off on her from her mom's alleged problems because hers were not convincing anybody. And now, with her reputation in tatters, she's amber-herded herself. She thinks it's what? she's going to be able to spin it as a victory if he has to pay eight million dollars she's going to everybody knows that's not in settlement no jury awarded that it's basically just because this one claim of his got thrown out 10 of her 13 claims got thrown out there's just no fees shifting provision for the laws that she was filing those under but she she lost 10 of her 13 he lost one of one and now she's going to try to spin it as like some huge victory that she's eked some number of millions.

32:52She wants eight out of this guy whose movie she stole and ruined. And she's gone on, you know, she's still going to be married to Ryan Reynolds, one of the biggest movie stars on earth. Justin Baldoni really didn't have that huge in acting career even before this. And I'm sure is wondering what his next step is. Brian Friedman came on our show and said, he's not sure insurance is going to cover this for Justin. Wow. Yeah. You're right though. That's what she's trying to do. She's trying to eke out some kind of win so she can spin this to whatever friendly media outlets will listen to her and say, you know, I, I, I, I was legitimate.

33:29I was done wrong. He did harass me. He had to pay me$8 million without mentioning it actually that had nothing to do with sexual harassment. Exactly. Exactly. It's disgusting, but I think, you know, I think they're operating on the old ways of doing things and everybody who's in the digital lane and we pays attention. We all know what's really going on here. It's no accident that Blake Lively has not booked another acting role. What director is ever going to work with her? What director is going to think she's not going to turn around and do the same thing to me and try to destroy me with her disgusting husband, just my opinion right behind her.

34:05You know, he's out there like trying to shovel his new Wrexham series. Like it's another iteration of whatever. Right. Did you know you and I talked about this and I said, sounds like rectum. Oh yeah. I said you have filthy, filthy minds. It does. Who named their business that? That's a bad name. Yeah. It's, it's, it's funny. It's funny. Cause you know, the other person who has, has decided that this is a winning team to be aligned with is Hugh Jackman. That what, who Ryan and Blake? Yes. What? Yes. So he was, he was on the, at the Met Ball. Remember, she showed up like hours later. Yes, in her sherbet dress.

34:44Yelling at the minions, the male minions on the red carpet. Just do it, just do it, just do it. That's not how it goes. Look at me now. Spread it out. Don't pick it up. Yeah, she basically sees everybody like that guy with a hammer who threw it. Like, beneath me, worker, do as I say, it's fucking purple. It's lilac, goddammit. Get that lavender. Well, I don't know about those two, but you're right. Taylor Swift has gotten a pass for her villainous role in that whole thing. Same way Parker Posey got a pass for her abuse of that poor Swedish journalist or Norwegian journalist in the mean Blake Lively exchange.

35:21You know, like you have a cute bump, you know, where remember? Oh, yeah. Shasta Fla. Yeah. Shasta. Flossom Talk podcast. Yes. And Parker Posey was right there being as bitchy, if not more, as Taylor Swift to this poor journalist. Oh, it was awful. It wasn't just that the journalist congratulated Blake on her announced pregnancy. Yeah. And she was like seven months along. Yeah, it was visible. And then Blake turned around and said, oh, look at your, you know. And apparently from what I've read, that journalist was actually trying to conceive. So it was doubly mean. Yes. Doubly mean. You never go there.

35:55You never go. And then Blake turns directly to Parker and starts talking to her one-on-one like this. And here's the journalist. This is her job. Everybody's got a job to do. and they're talking to each other like she's not even in the room. It's so passive aggressive. So fuck Parker Posey too. Yes. Fuck her. You know, it's like, it's so, it's punching down. It's like - Yes, yes. And they're not bright enough to realize this person is there ostensibly to make you look good. That's her only goal. And now you're alienating her and she's gonna fucking hate you forever. It's just so short-sighted.

36:26And she did get the last laugh because that video of Taylor was, was so she had done that interview years prior in promoting Cafe Society, Woody Allen's film. They were both in. And she said her network did air it. You know, they did air. She wasn't sure if they were going to air it at the time she did it. But she re-released that tape when It Ends With Us came out. And there was buzz about Blake like being off tone and pushing her hair products in while promoting a film on domestic violence. And she reposted it like she's not a nice person. And that caught fire. It genuinely added to Blake's problems.

37:08And Blake in that lawsuit really wanted to prove that Justin Baldoni was behind that tape. And that woman was, she was named on the witness list and she was going to say he had nothing to do with it. It was my genuine dislike of you, which you earned, you know, with all your hard work, brings such a fucking bitch to me along with Parker Posey. You know, I wonder if some of the rage with Blake is, um, I've thought about this. Why the rage? Like you have everything that you probably ever wanted. Um, she's on like her fourth face. She's had extensive cosmetic surgery. Has she? She's had at least three rhinoplasties.

37:40If you look at the original nose, it's a different face. The Hollywood type, they get like these minor tweaks to their features that you can't like, unless you're really paying attention. I'm very bad at noticing this kind of stuff. Oh, go look up her original face. It's amazing. It's incredible. The smile is different. Allegedly. Allegedly, reportedly. Just my opinion. She's not a great talent. She's not a great actress, right? How'd she get there? Reportedly, allegedly, she was a friend of Harvey's. Oh. Maybe we had to do some things. Most of them did. Yeah. I mean, that's why I'll always respect Pamela Anderson, because she sat across me on the NBC set and talked about how, and of course, I mean, especially in her heyday, the biggest sex pot in the world.

38:27You know, no, not just for her beauty, but like her sexiness. There was zero chance Harvey didn't take a shot at her, right? Zero chance. And she said she was asked to go meet him and others, I think she said, in hotel rooms for meetings. And she always said no. She said her mother told her when she was very young, don't do that. Like, you know what they're asking for. And she was raised right. Her mother instilled a sense of common sense in her. She did not want to get ahead that way just because she's this knockout like sex pot doesn't mean that's the route she wanted to take to becoming a household name.

39:01So she was happy to put on that sex appeal, let men fantasize. Obviously, she had her Tommy Lee and her Kid Rock marriages and all that. But when it came to actually getting jobs, she did it the right way. And she refused to play that game. Good for her. I know. Good for her. It also, it kind of tracks why now she's sort of like, she goes makeup free and she wants to sort of be taken more seriously. You know, you can imagine what that branding did to her. And she did want to become a movie star. Remember she did that movie, was it Barbed Wire? Barbed Wire, yeah. She did want to be a movie star and it didn't quite work out for her.

39:37But it's interesting that she, again, like Courtney Love said it on a red carpet back in the 90s. I don't know if you remember this clip, but some entertainment journalist said, Courtney, what would you advise to any young actress coming to L.A. wanting to make it? And she said, if Harvey Weinstein invites you to a meeting at his room at the Four Seasons, don't go. Don't go. So true. I mean, it does remind me that Janice Dean told a story about Roger Ailes where she was interviewing for her job and he asked her to meet him at a hotel lobby. and she did it he you know it was like in the restaurant or in the bar and she she did it wasn't like come meet me at my room she did it and uh across from her at that meeting he like reached out and kind of held her hand and he said i need to know how you see me how you see me and janice said like like a teacher like a mentor you know like like a boss which was not really what he wanted to hear but i i just loved how she played it like like a mentor you know like not as a friend as like uh you know someone from whom i have a lot to learn she didn't she didn't go there did people know like like if you like if i'm like going in and it's like roger ailes wants to interview you you're at like the last part of the process and if he okays you you're gonna get the job yeah did would i have heard through a whisper network i don't think so Really?

41:06I definitely don't think so. I mean, I definitely thought I was the only one. And that was part of my own confusion about the whole situation for years when I was very young. I thought he was trying to have an affair with me. I didn't look at him as a harasser. Do you know what I mean? Like, I thought he was taking a shot at having an affair. And then somebody at Fox who I was close with said, he's just an unhappily married guy. And so it just was framed for me by myself and by this other person who knew him. as like about having an affair as opposed to being a serial assaulter or whatever, harasser.

41:44And it wasn't until years later that I would talk to JD and like over drinks one night, we would like tell our stories and we were both like, oh my God. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was crazy. And then like we had no idea the extent of it until the scandal hit. And then it was like, then we actually went looking to find out like who else is there? Like there's got to, how widespread is this? And the answer was extremely widespread, but he was so powerful. He managed to keep it quiet and people were too terrified. I think now in retrospect to say anything about him is he just, you know, he was like dear leader.

42:17Wow. Yeah. That's amazing. It's amazing how he was able to keep all of that siloed and have confidence that none of the women would speak to each other about it. Yeah. Oh, I mean, he probably gave them the same spiel he gave me, which was, I mean, later you know, we got past that incident, the period where he was trying to whatever with me. And we went on to have a very good relationship for the vast majority of my years there. But he would, even once we were past all that, you know, he had me up there and I'd sit in his office for three hours at a time. I'd come out of there and Suzanne Scott and Bill Shine is his number two and one person would be like looking at me like, what's on his mind?

43:00What's he saying about this. What, like he didn't do this with his executives. Like I, I became a close confidant of his. It was very strange. I appreciate it. I learned a ton, but I've, I maintain to this day, I could tell you more about Roger Ailes philosophy in terms of like talent management and running the company than either of those two could. Um, but he would stress how he needed to be able to trust you and how like you couldn't repeat anything he said in there. And I always accepted that as like, this is the price of admission. Like he needs to have a couple of people he can talk to. And he, he said to me one time, I think I'm the loneliest man in the world because I don't think he thought he could have friends.

43:42I think he was not unlike a lot of like prominent politicians. Like look at Trump. I'm sure at some level, Trump knows 99.9 % of the people around him are using him. They're not real friends. They're like, they want something. and that was probably true in his real estate business too it's the downside of being extremely successful whether it's in terms of money or accomplishment and i think roger felt that doubly he felt very paranoid about people exploiting him using him or or you know i don't know just setting him up which is ironic because you know then came gretchen carlson who was in there taping him um and he he didn't think he had any friends he said that that's interesting because saying the thing about Gretchen, like taping him, that to me is an interesting window into that psyche because I kind of think you think that way if you're up to something bad, right?

44:37You can't have friends. You can't have friends at your level, right? You don't have friends from before. You don't have family members that you trust implicitly. You've got to have those people Like most of us do. Most people do. I just, I don't buy, like, I can't have friends. Like that you're up to something and you need to, you need to silo your life. You can't integrate everything because you're over here doing some really bad shit. Yeah, it's true. I mean, I remember talking to O 'Reilly and he said, um, like all of his best friends were from childhood. Like when he was young, he's still, I mean, I haven't talked to O 'Reilly in years, but every year he used to take a guy's trip with his like childhood buddies.

45:21And I think it's hard for people who become like super famous, you know, as, as Bill did to really trust their new friendships, people who came to them once they already were, you know, I don't know. I just feel like I, I myself have learned some lessons this year. I thought I genuinely thought I had a true friendship with Ben Shapiro and I learned this year I didn't and don't. So I'm 55 and I'm still learning some lessons here about like, I don't know, putting too much stock in certain relationships. Maybe I shouldn't have thought that. It's not like we had a bunch of like private dinners together or like hung out over holidays.

45:55I don't, but I, I didn't really think you had to, I consider you a dear friend and we don't have a ton of dinners together. Like, I don't know. Sometimes you can lose your faith in humanity when too many people burn you and you have to fight against that. you do and i think you know you have an unusual life um you're a very prominent public figure uh there are people who are gonna want things from you and and hide their true motives but i think like i don't i think it's like you will those people will eventually reveal themselves they will and it will be painful but it's it's kind of just like i think it's kind of just the cost of doing business a bit, you know, and you don't ever really want to lose your faith in like humanity or, you know, and I don't, I don't think I will.

46:43Like I liken it to my dogs, you know, thunder. When we got the invisible fence, thunder's the easy, good. She's the good one. Stradwick is the difficult one. He's amazing. I love him, but he is definitely a challenge. And she crossed that fence one time. She got the shock. She was like, I got it. I'm good. I'm going to sit here now. I'm not going to go near that. And Strudwick was like this floppy, fun mess, ran, and he got shocked, and he tried another area, and he got shocked again. He tried the other, and he wasn't getting it at all. And that's, I would say, my own approach to friendships. I'm much more in the Strudwick field.

47:22I'm like, let's try it again. Let's make the same mistakes over and over. Isn't life fun? Anyway, we also call him Khalid Sheikh Mohammed because of that, because nothing bothered the guy. He was like, you can shock me over and over. That's hilarious. But you know, the other thing is like, you have the dogs, like my dogs. It's like, you can always go back to your dogs. They're never going to betray you. They're so happy to see you. You know, it's like the way your dog gets up, You can see your dog is dead tired over there, like in his little dog bed or whatever on your couch or on your kitchen table, in my case.

48:00And you come down in the morning and like they always get up. They're like, mom's here. They get themselves up. They come over. They wag their tails, even if they've already eaten, even if like Doug's gotten up before me and fed them. They like they come over. They greet you. That's the sweetest thing. It's the best. It's the best. You're like they're always happy. They're like they're always just happy to see you and be with you. Who is, did you say dogs plural? I know about Teddy Van Halen. Oh yeah. I got another one. There's a puppy now. His name is Trouble. He's seven months old. It's so fun.

48:34Trouble, that's Thunder's father's name. No. And I thought here I was thinking I was so original. Well, it is original. Not many people have that name. So wait, what kind of dog is he? He's also a mini Pomeranian. He and Teddy have the same father. Is he Trouble Van Halen? No, I was trying to come up with another rock and roll name, You know, and it was a stretch. I got a lot of really interesting ideas, though, from troublemakers. A lot of people were very in the camp of Pom Bon Jovi. Oh, I like it. Which is great, but I'm not really a Bon Jovi fan, so I couldn't go with it. So I'm a Richie Sambora fan, but I don't know what's happening with Jon Bon Jovi.

49:10So first of all, Jon Bon Jovi took himself far too seriously. I went to a Bon Jovi concert with Kid Rock one year. Well, Kid Rock was opening for him and invited me and Doug. So I wasn't there with Kid Rock at his invitation. And Jon Bon Jovi was behind the scenes drinking white wine with his pinky out. Oh, you've told me this story. So that was number one. Number two, something bad happened to Jon Bon Jovi's voice. Like he lost it from all the screaming and he lost it. Like literally cannot sing anymore, which is sad and tragic. But he's still out there and he's still kind of doing it. And there's a trend of these aging rockers who don't realize.

49:49Have you seen the tape that's circulating right now of Barry Manilow? No. It's horrifying. And also Smokey Robinson. Horrifying. Who's 86 now. And you could look at this tape and say, oh, yeah, he's looking good for 86. No, no. He's not singing. He's not giving the audience what they paid for. He's trying way too hard with the multiple plastic surgeries. This applies to both of them. And they're just mouthing the words of soundtracks, you know, that are being pumped in. I object. Unless you can do it like Rick Springfield. who at 76 or 77 looks like a 42 year old man out there without his shirt on and is still singing amazingly and a colleague of ours at Sirius XM, then don't do it.

50:30Don't do it. Cause the fans, I think you're expecting a real live human doing real life singing. But so what do they do though? Like that's like, that's what they do. It's like show up at a fan event. You could like sign photographs. You could glad hand. It's probably not the same. It's not the same experience. And so I would think like, that's what you know. That's what it's why it's, it's why I was thinking about this. Cause I was listening to your conversation yesterday with Rob Finnerty. I loved him. He's a troublemaker. Do you know? Is he? He's a trouble. I love that guy. Yeah. And you guys were talking about Serena Williams.

51:04Yes. And it's like, she, she, she doesn't, there's nothing else for her. Like, this is it. She's back to the well. We're going back. It's like Tom Brady who came out of retirement five minutes later. It's like, they don't know what else to do with themselves. You know, and Tom Brady, it's been interesting watching Tom Brady because like I've come to the realization like this guy, he loves being famous. Oh, yeah. He needs to be famous. He needs it. Like we're showing up at roasts now. You know, we're like we're doing everything on my Delta flight. He's like a mini travel show. He's like he's charismatic as a piece of plywood.

51:39You know, he doesn't have any timing. No, he's not natural. natural. His face has been like, you know, plastic surgery to like too much symmetry. Allegedly, reportedly, allegedly, reportedly, like it doesn't read as human anyway. Yeah. They don't know what else to do with themselves. Well, we'll drop in clips of Smokey and Barry so you guys can make your own minds up here. Quick break. More with the one and only Maureen Callahan had go and subscribe to the nerve during the break. Our sponsor, the Electronic Payments Coalition, says Washington politicians are always getting in your wallet and that now they're messing with your credit card.

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53:56Maureen Callahan is back with me. She is the host of The Nerve. Go and subscribe on YouTube, all podcast platforms, and find out more at thenerveshow.com. She's part of our MK Media network and she's a star. We actually pulled the Barry and the Smokey Robinson tapes. We're going to look at them together. All right, let's see. Let's see Barry first.

54:26He's had more face work than Joan Rivers. Obviously.

54:34And it doesn't even look like he remembers the words to his song like he's barely mouthing it's like he's behind the audio track yeah this is so awkward why wouldn't he just let his let your legacy live with the memories of the actual you singing act doing actual singing of your iconic songs this to me is just sad this isn't fun you know do you remember when like they were wheeling tony bennett out and he had dementia Yes. You know, it's like that. It's like you kind of want your dignity, but I don't know, like, I don't know that veteran show business warhorses like a Barry, like he's not, I just think he needs to be on stage.

55:15He needs it. I think it's his oxygen. Oh my God. This is like, loving family members would not let you go out this way. Sir Smokey Robinson, 86 years old. I know we're supposed to look at this and say, 86, that's not at all how I feel.

55:32Look at this.

55:36Okay, for the listening audience, he's wearing the sparkly green pants, and he's rubbing his thighs, like, right around his crotch, and, like, right on, almost right on the crotch here, as slowly as humanly possible. Now he's rubbing his ass, you know, like, slow groove, like he's getting ready to, like, get on top of somebody. Meanwhile, you know, he steps from the grave, and this is, like, this is not inspirational. He looks so infirm. And look, I was just with a friend of mine who's 83. She puts this guy to shame. She actually could do his dance moves better than he could by far. She's very mobile.

56:16She's very robust. You can have somebody even in their mid 80s. Jane Fonda, I think, is 88 now. Yeah. But that's not it. That's not it. And, you know, that really disturbs me. It looks like he's committing like a felony in several states. it does. It, it also makes me think of a Madonna. I was just going to say that. So have you seen the latest tape of her? Where she's trying to crawl up on the DJ? No, no. There she bends over. We're going to play it. Well, okay. Here she is. She's, she's 66 or 67. She might be 67. look at this she's doing a full bend over twerk with her hands on the floor and like bottom up and down up and down with the woman behind her pretending to stick her tongue there And now look how she moves, Maureen.

57:08Maureen, Madonna, I'm sorry to say, is moving more like an older person now. And she's not pulling this off. She thinks she's pulling this. This is disgusting. but you can see. I think that's what's colloquially known as tossing the salad. It's a sex act. It's disgusting. She's 68. Look at her. You can see she's kind of got the forward hunch. We'll play the longer extended video of her with the rest of the dance, but you can see that age is even coming for Madonna and she won't, she doesn't have to submit to it, but why can't she just behave like a saucy 67 year old as opposed to a saucy 27 year old yes you know it's i i it's it's really here we go this was the times square thing with like basically flashing her vag no no no one wants to see put it away it's got cobwebs on it at this point it's it i used to think that um it would be really it was going to be really fascinating to watch madonna age because she was such a rule breaker and she just reinvented herself in so many brilliant ways.

58:17And I never saw this coming. I never, you know, when she was married to Guy Ritchie, she was in her like land lady of like the landed gentry phase. She had the fake British accent. She was dressing like an equestrian and, you know, like, I don't know what's happened here. Like, I don't know. I really genuinely hope not to be this needy when I am 67 years old, you know? Well, I don't see you doing this kind of a thing. I've never done this kind of a thing. But it's just like Tina Turner is the gold standard. Yeah. The gold standard. You're absolutely right. Showed those legs. The short of shirt.

58:54And she rocked it. The arms with the guns, the sexy dancing, but not the inappropriate, like the gyration simulating sex acts. That's just so base. that is Madonna when she was 19 and it was like whatever the 1990 1995 era but she was a much younger woman then and it didn't make you feel like oh my grandma's trying to hump me no I mean there's there's listen evolution works one way you know none of us want to see you know you look at Mick Jagger the male version of a Tina Turner yeah he's still doing it right yeah you know yeah it can be done still moving uh Deb Deb Murphy Canadian Debbie says we have to look at South 13 This is Madonna crawling around on all fours.

59:37Let's watch. Oh, this is from Pride. You don't want to see it.

59:46She's dressed like a 1920s black girl. She's blowing her smoke in the camera.

59:59Her breasts are spilling out pretty much. She's gotten rid of the eyebrows. She's going happy, happy, great, happy. She's smoking. It looks like a cigarillo that she's smoking. And the whole thing with Madonna, too, used to be that she was like straight edge. She didn't smoke. She didn't drink. She didn't do drugs. She didn't do anything. That is a woman to me in the throes of an active drug addiction. I'm sorry. That's what she looks like. Yeah. Just so desperately needy. Like, I would love to think of you as not this needy, as just like this badass billionaire, you know, who's accomplished more than virtually any other singer alive, who's totally comfortable in her own skin and doesn't need to do thirst traps for the 25 year old guys when you're pushing 70 and it's not going to happen.

1:00:44Like it's, it's, it's depressing to me. That's, that's, it is depressing. She could have been a really cool, iconic elder States woman of rock and she's not, and that's not how it wound up going. Um, okay. I've got to show you tape that comes from the jesse waters show because it's summer and uh we're at the jersey shore and i don't know whether this was taken at the jersey shore i know jesse comes to the jersey shore so it's possible he was not in this tape but it ran on his show and i'm concerned maureen concerned about the future of our nation because of this okay watch why do we celebrate the fourth of july um I honestly couldn't answer that.

1:01:27Well, actually not sure. We celebrate the birthday of America. To be lit and enjoy life. That didn't used to be a trick question. How old is America turning this year? Oh.

1:01:46Um, I have no idea. Oh my God. 58? 58. Is it actually? No. 250? Where do we declare our independence from? Explain that a little bit further. What do you mean by where? The United States. Great Britain. Mozambique, Africa. You're kidding, right?

1:02:15What was the name of the war in which we fought for our independence? Civil War. The Civil War. Yeah. No. Um, oh God. I actually don't know. The Rev. Bro, I don't know. French and Indian War. World War II. The Revolutionary War.

1:02:42Well, you and I will never be out of work. Never. It's shocking. I know. But there, I do. are they? I kind of operate on this level that like more people are less equipped. Maybe are there, you might think not the listeners to this show. No, of course not. No, no, no. But like, like how incurious do you have to be? How do you get out of an educational system, a first world educational system, not knowing those basics, even in their weird world, which is probably dictated by Tik TOK. Wouldn't they know it's the 250th? No. What do you mean? It's everywhere. I feel like it's not. I feel like it's weirdly not.

1:03:19I was alive and I know you were because we're a similar vintage. Remember in 76? Yeah. And it was like a huge deal. Yes. Pots and pans. I remember on the day of. I remember that. And I feel like it's not as celebrated in the mainstream media because the current occupant of the White House is the current occupant of the White House. That's what I think. We need to hate him. And if you celebrate 250, you're celebrating Trump. Yeah. Yeah. And you're you're actually it's unpatriotic. You're not like really being you're not showing fidelity. You're mad at the country right now. Yeah. Yeah. You're mad.

1:03:49Yeah. Yeah. That's what that's ridiculous. I can't imagine. I cannot believe. First of all, they don't know that we fought a war to free ourselves from England. Hello. This is so basic. But I'll bet you they can tell you like, you know, what non-binary means. Probably. You know, that's the stuff they're learning right now. Yeah. Yeah. No. And the other thing is, you know, the whole controversy over the UFC fight on the lawn of the White House. Yeah. This is what I wish the conversation had been about. Like all that pushback. It's it's it's about class. It's class. Yeah, that's right. Immediately hate it because it's what regular, hardworking, non elite coastal people are interested.

1:04:32it. That's right. And that's right. And that's why they hate it. They hate it because Trump likes it too. You've got to hate anything that Trump likes. All right. Michelle Obama, she's back in the news. And did you see the portrait, the presidential portrait in the Hope and Change lobby? No. It's in the Hope and Change lobby of the new presidential library. It's the real. It's like actually what they're calling it. And it features the presidential portrait of the two of them with her front and center. He's the side piece in the back. she was the first lady, not the president, even though she keeps calling it our administration when we were president.

1:05:07You weren't president. It wasn't your administration. Look at this. Look, look, he looks like the supporting actor and she's got the main stage. She was asked about this and wanted us to know this is why this is why it was done that way. Here she is on MS now. SOT19. And you're in the foreground. You're together there. Yeah. It's not, you know, what is often, you're not in the background. Yeah. You're right there together. Well, that's because I married a man who isn't threatened by, you know, having a smart, challenging partner. And that's also another way to be a man, you know, to lead, you know, to lead and co-lead all at the same time and to be good with it because it it gets you to a become a better person she can't stand him oh she fucking hates him we know these are lies it's you know it's it's it reminds me of barack's very famous uh foreign policy uh strategy which was lead from behind yeah that's apparently how it goes in the marriage we lead from behind we We sit for our presidential port.

1:06:21The mind-blowing thing was a couple of nights before the official opening, and they had that big event in the presidential library. They were on stage together. Yes. And she's wearing a silk-screened, custom-made skirt with her dead mother's face on it. Did you see this? No, what? It was like, her face was like this big. It was like three feet. And she's standing there, and she's like this. She is, we are angry. This is her husband's. This is his legacy. We're enshrining here as the first black president. But we're fucking angry at him. Our body language is completely closed off. Barack's like he's like chastened.

1:06:59He's like looking down. He's definitely afraid of her. Oh, definitely. And and she's like, I have to I have to give Barack a moment here. I have to I have to give him I have to get I have to excuse him. Basically, again, he's in the doghouse. They should have built a doghouse adjacent to this presidential library. And just it's Barack's residence. It's his permanent residence. And she's like, he didn't know about this skirt until I just walked on stage. And it's my dead mother. I mean, I'm sorry, but if you lose your mother to old age and you have had her for the bulk of your life, you have got to move on with your life in a dignified fashion.

1:07:32Yes. Nor would I ever dream of honoring my mother by sitting on her and putting her in front of my hoochie. You know, like that's I don't think my mom would want to be honored that way. It's a very strange, but we have to make it about ourselves. Like it's ostensibly about her mother, but it's really about Michelle. We're stealing the focus. Oh, that's right. Look at me. That's right. Look at my skirt. This accessory over here. It's very Harry and Meghan, you know. Meanwhile, she now wants us to believe that Barack's really hating all this attention. Okay. This is, listen to this next soundbite.

1:08:01This is SOT 20. People Magazine interview. He's completely uncomfortable with this thing being about him. I was like, you know, he was just telling me, I think there should be a little less of me here. I was like, well, who should we be talking about? And he was like, Gandhi. I was like, no, no, Gandhi will have his own museum. I think people coming here will want to hear about you. But she's exaggerating. Okay. This man accepted the presidential nomination in front of Greek columns at Invesco Field in Denver, Colorado, like a king. like a king. I was there. It was bigger and more grand than anything.

1:08:48Any president, including the current one, has ever orchestrated for themselves as their own honor. And he wants to. This is the guy who was out there like, we will we will clean the seas and we will clean the air. Right. He has suffered from delusions of grandeur since he was a teenager. And she actually wants us to believe that he's this humble, oh, the presidential library that I just built as a monument skyscraper to myself should be about like Gandhi, not me. I'm uncomfortable with all the focus on me. I was thinking the same thing. Those like fake Greek columns and the, you know, the adoration, like he lapped it up.

1:09:28He loved, he loved, again, another one who loves being famous. he, I think was one of the, like when he came in and, um, he was, I think he did more interviews than a first term president in their, in their first year than anybody. It was kind of like, how does this guy have time to work? Like he was, he was in front of a television camera every five minutes. She also loves the attention. She loves it. Loves the attention. In Vescofield. Look at this. Look at this. Look at all the Greek columns behind him. I was there. It was insane. He was treated like the second coming truly and ate it up. Who would approve Greek columns behind them like that?

1:10:09You know what I mean? Like he's accomplished nothing. He'd been a state senator from Illinois. He was a U.S. senator for two years and he's true. He's treating himself here like he's Gandhi. The whole rollout for his presidential campaign was like that. And now he wants us to believe and she does, too, that he's just this humble Joe, you know, of like, gee, aw shucks. You know, I had to build this presidential library, but I really wish it weren't about me. Okay, sure. Even Chicago, like his native Chicago is like, this, this library is a little much. It's the ugliest building I've ever seen in my life.

1:10:43It's so ugly. It is so unattractive. And it's got like zero windows, which again, I find very strange for somebody who's about transparency and light and hope and change. Like windows actually are a metaphor for that kind of the thing. I don't understand it. I don't, it's, it's a blight. It's, it's, it's like an eyesore. It's a literal eyesore. What do we have? Debbie Murphy. She wants to show us something. Oh, the skirt. She found the skirt. Let's see it. Yeah. Let's see. Michelle Obama honors her late mother by wearing a skirt. Oh, oh my gosh. Is the mother's face right on the front? Yeah. There's a, there's a front version you can see.

1:11:21Yeah. We got to see the front version. I can't like, Like, why would you put your mother's? Oh my God. What? And look at the body language. Like her arm is locked. There's no softness. There's like a huge gap between them. He's using his other arm. Like he's not holding her hand. It's very strange. He doesn't have his hand around her. Like Doug would have his hand around my back. Nope. Look at this. He looks like a beaten dog. Yeah. It's like even this night cannot be about him. Wow. So, well, looking down the line at not his VP, but his VP's wife, Jill Biden, she's had a humiliation this week because she put out this book.

1:12:03Remember, she did her little tour on it and she was like, this book is about me. Why are we spending all this time focusing on my complaints about the Joe Biden being pushed out of the race? I've got a lot of great stories in there. I'm inspirational. She literally pulled a Gayle King. She was like, I'm inspirational. There are a lot of inspirational stories in there for women about how I worked when I got into the White House and also was second lady and then first lady. Well, she pushed that book everywhere and it made the New York Times bestseller list, debuted at number one because of who she is and the number of adoring press articles she got.

1:12:37And she got the dagger, the deadly dagger. That means bulk sales. You always gotta look for the dagger. the bulk sales mean they bought their way onto the list. That's what it means. Bulk sales, technically, they'll try to say, oh, but well, I had several events where they bought. No, no, no. The New York Times knows how to factor that in. Like if you had book parties and you had a lot of book celebrations like that, they won't necessarily give you the dagger just for that. It's massive purchases in bulk. That's what you did, Jill Biden. That's what's obvious. You got the dagger. And it's unheard of for you to debut at number one and then immediately fall off the list altogether.

1:13:14Yes. As a first lady. No, I mean, like that level public figure. But she did right off. Like this is all bought and paid for this packaging around yet the Obamas and the Bidens. There's nothing inspirational about Jill Biden. Nobody looks at her and says, like, I want to buy her book and I want to be just like her and I want her fashion, too. I am shocked that a Biden did something that seems nefarious, potentially unethical. You know, it just goes to show again, like her thirst, her her black hole to it will never be slaked. It's never enough. It was forever. The line on her was she's dying to be first lady.

1:13:57Yeah, she's like she's jealous of Michelle. She's jealous that she's got a second seat. She wants to be first lady. She got it. It wasn't enough that we were first lady. We had to roll our husband, our infirm dementia adult husband out everywhere we could to try to get him a second term. She forgot. She forgot him on stage at the presidential library. Look, remember this? And she's walking off. She goes off. Barack goes off. And her husband, she's like, I don't give a shit about him. I already had my moment. Look at me in this amazing white suit. Look, grandpa's wandering. Where? Oh, who am I?

1:14:30Where's my pudding? Where's Matlock? He's still president. He has you for you for me. They're here for me actually wanted us to believe that he could be president right now. But in any event, she couldn't give a shit. She's like, I had my moment. Everybody looked at me. Grandpa's left behind. She's the living worst. She's the living worst. And it was so awful to see her making her rounds on like The View or wherever. And everybody's just like, you are so inspirational. Like she's got nothing to offer. What has she done? She's a community college. Oh, she did become a doctor. Dr. Biden. Again, like all of these things meant to sort of make her seem special.

1:15:06These ornaments, they mean nothing. They mean nothing. She's not a doctor. No, she's not a doctor. Or she wouldn't have let her husband develop the many ailments that he did right underneath her nose with no medical care or so they would have us believe. Speaking of elderly people, poor Nancy Guthrie. I don't know whether we're ever going to find Nancy. I mean, Maureen O 'Connell came on the show, former FBI profiler, the real deal, and said she is 75 % sure that they are closing in on porch man. So that's exciting. I mean, I trust Maureen. That's exciting. Hope it's true. But meanwhile, over the past 48 hours, we had this fierce war unfolding with FBI statements.

1:15:46To me, it seems to be between maybe FBI, you know, Maine in DC and FBI Phoenix, which technically is all part of the same group, but physically isn't. And they'll have their own fiefdom out there about whether any of the ransom notes were legit. What we know from Savannah is she tends to believe the first two were legit. And there's no question that the FBI must have led her to believe that. She's too smart. She's not coming to her own judgment about that. I mean, like she's obviously had countless discussions with the FBI. I feel like if she's saying she believes it, then that's telegraphing that her FBI contacts believe it.

1:16:23And Harvey Levin has been saying that he thinks the FBI is treating at least those first two seriously and, you know, with with as though they may be authentic. And he believed that they might be treating the other strain of notes he was getting from the alleged friend of the kidnappers. I've seen Nancy, you know, time is of the essence. Oh, wait, it's no longer of the essence that he allegedly had seen her body look south of the border. That guy, he says he believed that they were looking at that guy seriously, too. But then we get a report from Reuters, whose sources are probably D.C.-based, as they are, saying the FBI doesn't believe any of the kidnapping notes are legit, does not believe any of them.

1:17:03So all this time speculating about the one that said, I know exactly what she was wearing, this is what she was wearing, and I found her white Apple watch, and this is exactly where it was on the floor, and there's a broken floodlight, and I want$4 million by Thursday or$6 million by Monday or else. than the follow-up that we just heard the details of last week. For the first time, she's dead. She's no longer with us. She's at peace with nature. How are they phrased it? No, don't believe it. We've wasted our time. The FBI doesn't believe they're legit. Then we get follow-up reporting from Fox News and others saying, not so fast.

1:17:38The FBI isn't necessarily saying that. Don't put too much stock in the Reuters report. and then the Pima County's Sheriff's Office is like, we defer to the FBI which means nothing because now they've taken both positions and to me, Maureen it's just further evidence that this case has been mismanaged both from a public relations standpoint and apparently from an investigative standpoint from the start and here we are in July she went missing February 1st we still have no idea where she is and they can't even get their messaging straight around something as critical as the ransom notes. You know, there's this, um, I think assumption in the culture and we get it from TV and movies that the FBI is all powerful, all knowing they are the finest minds.

1:18:30And I know from former FBI agents who I spoke to extensively for one of my books, it's simply not so. And the The FBI is often very fallible and fucked up. And this messaging, this is the FBI's case now. They can't even get it straight. They keep saying Pima County is taking the lead, which I'm sure they would love. They would love that. They would love that. You know, and for such a high profile case involving such a high profile person who is back on television every weekday morning. Yes. Now, the other thing, I think you were talking to Maureen about this, that letter, which had, I think you guys were saying it sounds like a woman wrote it.

1:19:09Yes. Feminine language. Yes. Like, I'm sorry. She's buried with nature. Yes. The important thing is there's nothing you could have done to have prevented it. And yeah, she died unexpectedly. Yeah, there was definitely a couple of churns of phrases in there that sounded, she's right, feminine, female. Yeah. Which adds, which adds an interesting dimension to this because women don't tend to commit crimes like this. And we know that wasn't a woman. Well, we think we know on the porch. Yeah, no, that was definitely a man, you know, it's a fascinating mystery. I, I, I hope Maureen is right that they're, that they're close to finding, they find that guy who was on the porch.

1:19:48Then they're, you know, now we really have. Then it's ballgame. Yeah. Then we don't care about the notes. It's like, we got the guy who actually took her. Everything stems from that. It just like when that first hit those the tape of that guy on the porch, it was so hopeful. Maureen was actually on the air with me at the time, along with our other panelists. And everyone was so excited because it seemed like such a crazy, good investigative lead. Even President Trump had said that the Friday before, like, I think we're going to solve it soon because he knew about the tape reportedly. Nothing. Here we are, July.

1:20:19And now there's a report out that Savannah may reportedly be getting ready to take another leave from the Today Show, that it's just been too much. And you know, you think about it, when this came up, she keeps talking about it, Maureen, in a way that is very severe. She says, we're still in agony. Every day we're in agony. That I just can't imagine doing the news while in agony for months on end. so I don't know. It's a tabloid who's reporting it. I think, I can't remember, maybe the sun. Yeah, US sun. So it could be off, but is it so hard to believe that it might be, she has plenty of money.

1:21:01She doesn't need to work. Her husband's got a good job with the NFL and she's made a lot of money anyway. I'm not sure she's somebody who needs to see herself on TV every day. I don't, she doesn't strike me as that kind of a person. And I wouldn't be surprised at all if she did take another step away or even just leave. I wouldn't either. I think maybe she felt she would regain some sense of normalcy by going back to work and by not, you know, having to work, not think about this all the time. But we've seen her just disappear from the air during the broadcast several times, which clearly she's overcome with emotion.

1:21:35I don't understand. I don't know how you personally square. I meaning me. I couldn't. An elderly parent abducted from their bed in the dead of night. You don't know where they are, but you know something very bad has happened. She's dead. We know she's dead. And you think it may have happened because of you. Her brother was awful for saying that to her. Do you remember? She said, I asked him, do you think this was because of me? Yes. Because I'm famous. Do you think? And he said, yeah, I do. That's bad. You know, I know. I know. You don't say that. Even if you think it. How do you know that? How do you?

1:22:05We don't even know anything. Say, of course, there's no way to know that. There's a million ways to answer that question. So she's blaming herself, you know, and like basically what she's doing, This job is bullshit. This is morning television is QVC. Yes. You watch it. It is a bunch of cheap shit from China. Order it with the QR code. Carson's going to be cooking in Rockefeller Plaza. Can you believe it? What does she do? You have to have an existential crisis, right? Like, what am I doing with myself? It's true. She should go like the John Walsh route. Like she should disappear for a while, metabolize this, come back and use her fame for good.

1:22:43You know, I know that she's always. wondered, like worried about whether she's, she has any relevance, like any influence, you know, that, that job, while it makes you a household name doesn't, it's not meaningful at all. You don't affect people's opinions on anything. You're not driving any national conversations and it's, there's something ironic in seeing, you know, now she is driving national conversations, but for a reason she never would have chosen or wanted, no one would. maybe you're right maybe there's a lane for her to come back and like actually help people find their missing loved ones do a show that could impact people who are really suffering i don't know but this you're right the today show is totally empty calories it's not what it used to be so i wouldn't be surprised to see her step away especially because like she's got two kids like yeah you lose a family member under any circumstances you start to think more about family and your legacy and what matters and you know time is so fleeting and all that stuff So we'll see.

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1:26:30Now, meanwhile, have you been watching the soccer? No. The World Cup? Me neither. But we did have on the USA game last night because, of course, everybody was into it. My family's into it. And they apparently have now a new tradition of playing country roads at the end of the USA soccer games. They did this in the earlier rounds, too. And now they did it last night in amazing tape. I guess they've asked the team for a couple of go-to songs. They ask all the teams, not just us, like, what would be your song that you'd want to hear? And these people are straight out of my playbook, John Denver and John Bon Jovi, not just John Bon Jovi, but Bon Jovi.

1:27:11Living on a Prayer is our one song and Country Roses is our other. And then we actually had apparently requested Sweet Caroline, but that was already taken by the Brits, which is weird. Okay. But like, okay. In any event, we have two great ones. And look, look at this tape.

1:27:34This is a little bit of a bounce.

1:27:41Players. Trying to get everybody to do it. Say, turn it up.

1:27:50A little chill.

1:28:08Oh, man. I love this stuff. Love. It's so, it's sports at its best. It's unifying. It's, you know, people from all walks of life. It's why the Knicks were so galvanizing and energizing. And it also makes me think, I feel like there is this renewed appreciation now between athletes, performers, anyone in a live event, and the fans in the crowd. Because we saw this during COVID when they would allow sports to continue, but there could be no audience, no crowd, no fans. And I think everybody kind of realized that is a mutually beneficial relationship. it's not that the fans are there in service of the performer or the players it it's a like the players feed off that stuff they feed off of it and when you see those players on the field after the win raising their arms going yes yes keep singing we're in this together like that's what that is it's so great i feel like if we have a national soundtrack like for america john denver is at the top of the list he he has such a important role in my own life like really oh my God, his music.

1:29:17I cannot hear John Denver music without tearing up. Really? Oh, I never have been able to. My dad used to play John Denver songs on his guitar. We'd go camping when I was a kid. And it is a reminder that like, you know, I've had no money and I've had money. All the best things in life come for free. It's the truth. And we'd go to Lake Ontario and we'd rent these cabins, these like beat up cabins, which were not in any way a glamp. I used to call the lawn chair to sleep in. Oh, I love that. My brother and sister are like, okay, shucks. She got it. And we'd go out around the campfire at night and my dad would play his guitar and he'd play Neil Diamond too, but mostly John Denver songs.

1:30:00And Country Roads, 100%, also that song Today, which brings me to tears whenever I hear it. And I think about my dad whenever I hear it. And then can I tell you, after my sister died a couple of years ago, So suddenly I got into the car the day of her funeral. And of course it was an emotionally charged day already. And I, I mean, you turn the car on and the radio comes on John Denver. And she and I used to cry about my dad listening to John Denver. And we had so many sweet memories to John Denver. And there is no doubt in my mind. That was my sister talking to me, like saying I'm okay. And you're going to be okay too.

1:30:36I just like, so for this song to be the song that our team chooses, like, I just feel like, yes. And Jimmy Fallon once told me that his wife feels about John Denver the way I do. And she can't like she can't hear it without crying, but she has to hear it like we force ourselves. Like Rocky Mountain High, like that is a spiritual song. You feel connected to God when you play that song outside in nature. I just love that our team was asked to do this. I love that they're leaning into that music. Like Richie Sambora, back to Bon Jovi, he has a song that he wrote called The Soundtrack of Our Lives.

1:31:14And I just love the concept of that phrase. We do have a soundtrack of our lives. You know how you can hear a song that takes you right back to your childhood or a breakup or your, I don't know, relationship or something with your parents, something with a friend, some accomplishment, some disappointment, whatever. Oh, look at that. That's me and my dad. Oh my God. With his guitar and his fisherman's hat. How old are you there? Like four? Yeah, I think I was about four years old. Look at those sweet duds I had. You were a tomboy. You were lying. Look at the boy hair. I used to have long, pretty hair.

1:31:51And then my sister did too. And she got hers cut. So I wanted mine cut. And I completely looked like a boy, which I had no problem with. I was like, I don't care. I'm four. I thought I looked cool. Yeah, I'm four. I don't care. But yeah, the soundtrack of our life, right? Like even as I say, aren't songs coming to your mind? Yes. And they actually say that there's a reason as we age that it's harder for us to hear new music. Like our brains actually are so alive in our childhoods, our teen years, our post-collegiate years. And that's why generations sort of get stuck in the music of their youth, right?

1:32:32Like nothing is better than the music of your youth. Yes. It's like a neurological thing. That's why I'm always listening to the 80s channel on Sirius XM. Same, or like the new wave channel or the hip hop channel, like all of it. It's like, yeah, you're exactly right. I couldn't agree with you more. Well, I'm not sure what the song would be for Harry and Meghan, but it'd be something about me. Back to me. They're going to the UK, Maureen, and they're taking a lily bat and Archie, which to me is an obvious attention ploy. I don't like they travel the world without these kids. They have no desire to spend time with them over in the UK, any place or any place else from the look of it.

1:33:10But they they'll get more attention when they go back there. If they bring the little prince and princess who have zero connection to the royal family, who the Queen Elizabeth was annoyed, was named after her. She didn't like the Lilibet thing. So whatever. And now there's a report today that Prince Harry was near tears when he found out that the board over there, the Rav, whatever, it's like the royal board that determines whether you're going to get royal police protection, like state police protection. Like, in other words, for Princess Eugenie, it's a no. But for King Charles, it's a yes. For Wills and Kate, of course, it's a yes.

1:33:49But for these two losers from Montecito, it's a no. and he's near tears reportedly over this, Prince Harry. He keeps coming back to the well. This has been denied repeatedly. Even when he was a lot closer to the royal family, he got denied this. He's not a working royal. No one can explain it better than our pal Dan Wooden, who came on the last time he made a big deal out of this, and explained to us the situation. Okay, listen to Dan. He wants to be treated like a former prime minister who will receive lifetime security, right? So even Liz Trash, she was Prime Minister for six weeks. She receives security for the rest of her life.

1:34:28He believes that that's what he deserves. Now, Meghan, in the negotiations after Meg said, at this thing called the Sandringham Summit, where all of the senior royals, the late Queen Elizabeth II, King Charles William, and their senior staff gathered, Harry was told, point blank, you will lose your security if you leave in this way. Yes, that is why the royals tried to come to some type of arrangement with Harry. There were loads of ideas thrown around. At one point, it was like, could we maybe move you to South Africa, a Commonwealth country for six months of the year? What about making you the governor general of Australia?

1:35:08Is there some type of role for you in Canada? But as soon as Meghan Markle made it absolutely clear that it was all about the moolah, it was all about the big bucks, it was all about trading off the royal name, At that point, the late Queen Elizabeth II, quite rightly, in my opinion, said, no, there is no half in, half out. So you can go. You go without blessing, but you lose everything. And you do lose your security. And he went on to explain that they've been invited, as they reportedly have even now, to stay in Buckingham Palace, where you do have drivers. You have guards, famously, outside the entire castle.

1:35:46and when you drive around Great Britain, you're entitled to have your private security with you. Harry's mad, I think, because you're not allowed to have guns. I think the private security can't have guns, but honestly, you don't need that. He doesn't need it. People aren't gonna be taking random shots at him. When was the last time you heard about somebody taking random shots at the royal family while driving around Great Britain? You need a bodyguard. You need somebody to stop somebody from coming and accosting you or getting overly zealous when they see you. And he will have that in abundance.

1:36:19So just as we come to air, his people release some, he's under threat from at least six terror plots in the UK. Very important. Very important person. And Dan Wooden, he responded like, this is the most ridiculous, artificial, made up document. It comes from Harry's office. it's like someone's been searching their emails to find like some, I'll get you. Ah, another terrorist plot against me. Terrorist number one is named George Glass.

1:36:55That's right. Bomb making in the basement, the imaginary basement. It's so, it's so, you know, it's, um, their brand is chaos. Nothing is ever just a straightforward execution, a visit, you know, whatever. There have been conflicting reports now that Megan may not be going. She's not happy. She may not be taking the children. I think part of the reason they want to take the children is so that they can say mean future King William would not see his own niece and nephew. They are of the royal blood. William and Kate are cold-blooded, unfeeling people. there are also reports that Harry wants to stay at Althorpe, which is Diana's home and resting place and that they are potentially coming with cameras for another Netflix, but this is all about another net.

1:37:45We have to extend the Netflix deal, which was canceled because they're fed up. The only thing that rated it's the only thing they've got. I think Charles is obviously he will probably meet with, with Harry given his health, which we understand is now he's in, in very good health. He's taking a treatment that's working. Great. But you know, nonetheless, he's an older man who's been dealing with mortality up close. I think it's foolish. I think they're going to turn right around and do what they always do. Sell, sell, sell. Yep. Poor William and Catherine have to deal with these two losers coming back over, glomming on without doing any of the work they they've been doing.

1:38:25the work. They've been doing the ribbon cuttings. They go to the events and these two losers want to bomb in, get all this attention, get Royal protection so they can look and feel important and then go back to their Montecito millions and make more by ripping on the Royal family. Exactly. That's their favorite target. Exactly. And I really do. I think about William, you know, and Catherine, they both do the heart. You know, Catherine just completed this arduous three-day climb. She said when she was done with it, she did it for personal reasons, because she was through the worst of her cancer fight and her chemotherapy.

1:39:01And she's so grateful to be alive. And she met with a child who's still dealing with it and made it, all of this stuff. They're the real deal and they do the work. The punishment they get is having these two still entertained trained by their father. You know, it's, it's a very biblical, it's very Cain and Abel, you know, where it's like, and I think a lot of families relate to this dynamic where the fuck up takes up all the oxygen in the room. Yes. Right. The fuck up gets a million and one chances, no matter how many times they screw up, betray, lie, cheat, whatever. Yes. And the, and the dutiful ones are sort of just taken for granted.

1:39:39Well, you're good. You just do what you're supposed to and taken advantage of you're right because they're half the purpose of this will be to gain more fodder for their next netflix special and no one's more interesting than wills and kate like nobody and so they'd love to get any sort of dirt they can on his brother and his wife and i'm sure they are like dad please could you stop yeah close the door once and for all but william reportedly can't convince king charles to do it because he's the dad you know the parent is always a little tougher to convince to do the tough love than the siblings.

1:40:12But I feel bad for them. Here's the for them, Wills and Kate, not Harry. This is a report. Prince Harry faces six terrorist plots against him with five originating within the United Kingdom, according to a highly sensitive document produced by the Duke of Sussex private security company. It's very exciting. Very exciting. Sure. People really want to get you. We're sure of it. I'm sure. I got to ask you about Sophie Cunningham. She's a basketball player. She's on the same team, the fever, the Indiana fever as Caitlin Clark. She went totally viral this week because she's like the only one sticking up for Caitlin Clark.

1:40:54Even Caitlin Clark doesn't stick up for Caitlin Clark. Caitlin's coach doesn't stand up for her. The WNBA commissioner doesn't stand up for her. But this Sophie Cunningham, who's a star in her own right, it was a huge college basketball player and has been in the WNBA for years, has had this. She's had it with this bullshit. She happens to be white and she mixes it up with everybody. She can't stand what's happening to Caitlin Clark. So she went viral this week because she did this pointing thing. Maybe you've seen it. And then with the wrist, let's watch it. It's everywhere. She's pointing and she will not be stood down.

1:41:31You can see the ref. There's the other gal pointing at her. And she will get the last point. She's got an arm as long as my leg. Yeah. Yeah. And they try to push her back. She won't break stride or pointing. And the memes that have now come out of this are hysterical. There was one I saw yesterday showing Justice Thomas pointing at the other court. Then there's one that says something about like your toddler in the grocery store whenever you see somebody with a disability. Oh, my God. It's so real. Oh, my God. Right. Oh, my God. That, by the way, that pointing, I think that was in response that player had said to Sophie, I believe, don't point at me.

1:42:21Yeah. And so she was like, I'm going to fucking point at you all day long. Sure. Now I know it bothered you. I, you know, the Caitlin Clark thing, I am so, it's so upsetting. I think it was Dave Portnoy who said something like she should just really take herself and go over to Europe and play where she's going to be protected and treated like the star that she is. Yes. You know, it's, it's amazing to me that the WNBA has been electrified by this generational talent who is being assaulted on the court regularly by players who are, this is the, this is the conversation that like, again, the mainstream media really won't have.

1:42:57She's white and she's straight. That's the problem. Yep. If this were a black player or a black and gay player, they would be celebrating her. She would be, you know what I mean? And yeah, they think it's a betrayal somehow. They're punishing her. They're punishing her. And I feel like, you know, you were saying that she's, she won't stand up for herself. I feel like she and or her advisors are trying to sort of take a page out of like the Jackie Robinson playbook where you, you just comport yourself like a professional. You don't get down in the mud with it. You let your talent speak for yourself.

1:43:31And it will be later when it's reconsidered history that we talk about what was really going on here. But this is mind blowing to me, mind blowing what's happening to her coach is disgusting too. I don't know. Like they can't stand each other. Jason Whitlock came on last Friday and really give us a good breakdown of that dynamic. But the coach is disgusting. And the coach finally spoke out. And what did she speak about? She spoke about the alleged abuse that the woman who had the hand on the throat is receiving. She's outraged at the messaging going to that person. It's not about what happened to Kalen Clark at any turn.

1:44:05I don't know how she lasts there. This does not look fun. It does not look rewarding. It does not look like something I'd want to be a part of at all. And I like Dave Portnoy's advice. I think he's on to something. Happy fourth, my friend. Happy fourth, Megan. Wonderful independence day. And so should all of you. We will have a programming for you tomorrow, but we're not live. So I will speak to you live next time on Monday. Wishing all of you happy fourth. God bless you and your families. And thank you so much as always for listening. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda and no fear.