The Damaged Dem Brand, and Sophie Cunningham Says the Truth While Caitlin Clark Gets Smeared, with Emily Jashinsky | Ep. 1366

24:06Emily Jashinsky:But this is a really crucial mistake that Republicans can make. If you just call somebody a socialist, if you just call somebody a radical, that's not going to land with the average voter right now in the way that it would before institutional trust collapsed, unless you couple it with what you're going to do to smash the status quo. because the one thing everybody's unhappy with is the status quo. So if you just say this person is going to change the status quo, they're a radical, people are going to say, okay, well, maybe I'd rather take a bet on them than you. And that's what people don't understand.

24:38That guy, Troy Jackson, who's now going to be the Democratic nominee in Maine is like, hey, I was endorsed by the DSA. I mean, he's touting it. He knows that he doesn't call himself DSA, but he's touting it. I was saying to Paul Murray of Sky News Australia, that's the kind of claim that's like you take the dsa to to the dark bar at like 3 a.m and then you go right to the motel you don't like parade the dsa around on your arm at the oscars party like that is the and you're only going to need the motel for an hour you know it's like i don't know what this we're in a whole new world where you're touting that like openly as an endorsement of you that you're proud of in the democrat or any other party but that's that's where we are okay OK, let's talk about Brandon Gillb since he is like MVP of the entire House.

25:24They had this. They had a couple of hearings yesterday. One had a couple of witnesses there. One was the head of the Smithsonian and one was the head of the ABA. And he just did such a beautiful job on both of them. Let's play a little montage of what happened when the head of the Smithsonian, which has gone completely woke. President Trump, to his credit, has gone in there saying, stop that. You will not on the nation's dime offer exhibit after exhibit that just take a huge dump on America. You will reflect the rich, the richness and pride of the American history. And I'm not telling you to get rid of our bad chapters, but they will not be the predominant theme that people walk away with.

26:03Right. Totally, perfectly appropriate and on brand and as promised. So Trump check campaign promise delivered. The Smithsonian doesn't like that. They've been pushing back. They have a completely different agenda than he does. And this woman, she had her hands full with Brandon Gill yesterday. Watch.

26:22Emily Jashinsky:As part of this white supremacy document that your organization has promoted, objectivity is a core and defining aspect of white supremacy culture. Do you think that it's the goal of the Smithsonian Institution to promote white supremacy culture? Sir, do you mind sharing with me which document? White supremacy culture right here. This is part of the mass action toolkit that your organization has promoted for several years now under your leadership. Are you promoting a white supremacy culture at the Smithsonian? Am I promoting a white? Ma 'am, is this a difficult question? No, sir. I'm just thinking about the mass action toolkit.

27:08Emily Jashinsky:We didn't develop it. But back to your question, no, we're not promoting any ideology. Does it concern you that your goal is objectivity, one of your goals is objectivity, and your mass action toolkit references objectivity as a defining characteristic of white supremacy culture? It's not our toolkit. It is your toolkit. You've been promoting it for quite some time. Is Mickey Mouse racist? Mickey Mouse is not racist. It's not racist. According to the Smithsonian Institution, one of your exhibits referenced Mickey Mouse as representing, quote, vestiges of longstanding traditions of blackface minstrelsy.

27:50Emily Jashinsky:Would you describe that as racist? No, the historical trajectory of the origins of Mickey Mouse tied directly to... So Mickey Mouse is rooted in racism. Is that your testimony? No, sir. It's rooted in minstrelsy. Menstrualcy, you don't think that blackface minstrualcy is racist? It had certain obvious racial overtones that have been well documented. Do you think that that's problematic, that Mickey Mouse also has those racial overtones? It's not for me to determine what's problematic. It's determined to me what's accurate. Is that right? Yes. Is it important to be polite? Excuse me, sir? Is it important to be polite?

28:29Emily Jashinsky:Yes, sir. It's also interesting because the same mass action toolkit that your organization has been promoting references politeness as a defining characteristic of white supremacy culture. Ma 'am, are you a white supremacist? No, sir. You're not? Can you help me square why your organization says that being polite is part of being a white supremacist? I'm not exactly familiar with that passage of the Mass Action Toolkit, which is not one that we developed. I can show you the passage right here. I don't, pardon me? I said I just read you the passage from it. And then your question was, sir? We're going to move on.

29:15Okay, that was Anthea Hardig, and she's the director of the Smithsonian, and she was completely dishonest, and he had her on the ropes. It was a thing of beauty. She was, in case you missed it there, suggesting that Mickey Mouse is racist because he has his roots in minstrelsy. So she's against Mickey Mouse and she's also against politeness. or so her documents say, because she thinks that's a whiteness term that I guess whites are polite and blacks aren't. And if you think blacks might be polite, you're a white supremacist. I'm not sure I follow her logic. But when cross-examined, of course, she tried to dodge and weave and take notes and look down and not make eye contact because she was too ashamed to own and repeat that nonsense under oath in the halls of Congress.

30:04Right.

30:05Emily Jashinsky:And again, like she can believe all of the stuff, but she was put at the head of an institution that is in charge of like teaching our history to the country. It's completely insane that somebody with totally radical, wacky beliefs like that was in such a position of power. And actually on After Party, I went through the Smithsonian report page by page. It was probably a really boring segment, but the media was treating it in a crazy, like totally downplaying what they found and acting like Trump was trying to steal history and to pervert American history and to take away all of the bad elements of American history and whitewash it.

30:42Emily Jashinsky:And one of the, I think, instructive examples in the report is that it said, if you're going to teach about Alexander Hamilton's shameful history regarding slavery, why would you also not mention his history in abolition? Like, mention both of these things. And it's, because this is what, Jasmine Crockett was at that hearing and was saying, we need to teach the complications of history. We can't be whitewashing history. And it's like, Like, if you want to teach the complexities and the wrinkles of some of our historical figures, that's literally what the document is telling you to do. That's exactly what the Trump administration is saying you should do.

31:13Emily Jashinsky:Instead, they had wildly inappropriate stuff. That white supremacy toolkit that Gil was questioning her on, that was on college campuses, things just like that, saying politeness was an aspect of white supremacy. They said the Protestant work ethic. Yeah, it's insane. It's so insulting to Black Americans. And here you have a white leftist or maybe like a white progressive in front of Congress trying to defend it six years later in the harsh daylight. And it looks absurd. And it's so like she should be disqualified from everything. And yet she'll probably still have some fire. She was terrible, horrible.

31:48She should be fired. Honestly, we can't have this woman touching anything in the Smithsonian. Obviously, she is far too ideological to have this job. I mean, it was she was she embarrassed herself. And by the way, it's like the not making eye contact and just like writing down your notes. It's such a sad little tactic and so obvious that you're just scared. You're a P word like fucking own it or don't. But I just feel like you're embarrassing yourself. And Brandon Gill was right to call her out. Then. OK, so that was Tuesday, actually. Then comes Wednesday when the head of the ABA. This is a thing of beauty for me, because honestly, I've been watching this group for years now, for years.

32:25And it's been so frustrating. They are completely captured. They are they are like the AMA. The ABA is the American Bar Association. The AMA is the American Medical Association. And they are both equally radical left. They do not represent lawyers and doctors at writ large and speak for us writ large. It's a lie. They are far left progressives masquerading as some, you know, fair and balanced trade organization in the middle representing the group. And they don't. They don't. It's been very frustrating to watch. Same for the for the American Academy of Pediatrics. Um, so finally, it was wonderful to see this, uh, Michelle Banky get in front of Congress and have to answer some of their questions.

33:05Jim Jordan did a great job. So did Brandon Gill. Here's some of it. Watch.

33:09Emily Jashinsky:According to the ABA's website, quote, all of us have implicit biases. Would you agree with that statement? The ABA believes that, uh, diversity, equity, and inclusion improves the practice. Would you agree with the statement that, quote, all of us have implicit biases from the ABA's website? The ABA believes that diversity in all of it. Is that a yes? Can I take that? It's a yes or no question. Do you believe that all of us have implicit biases as your website says? The ABA looks to remove barriers and we examine. That's not my question ma 'am. Do you believe that all of us have implicit biases?

33:44Emily Jashinsky:I've expressed. I've expressed what the ABA is doing. That is the ABA's position as expressed by their website. Against which groups do you have implicit biases? The ABA believes that it's important to always explain. Are you going to filibuster? Because it doesn't make you sound very good. I'm going to ask you again. Against which groups do you have implicit biases? It's important to always examine everyone's point of view and where they may need to consider. What about your point of view? I am here as the president of the American Bar Association. And I'm asking you what your implicit biases are.

34:23Emily Jashinsky:The ABA as an entity. Have you reflected on your implicit biases? I think about how I operate in the world constantly. Would you like to explain to us what they are? I am here speaking on behalf of the ABA. I find that disgusting. We had this in our New York City private schools right after George Floyd-a-Palooza when the country lost its mind on race. And the head of our girls' school sent out this email to everybody saying, this school is racist. I'm racist. And we're going to have to, you know, revise our systems to address these implicit biases and so on. And truly, I just wanted to run with what did you do?

35:05What'd you do? Tell me what's in your heart. You're racist. Why explain exactly what's in your heart. That's quite an admission. Tell me all like if you actually want to atone for your racism. Let me hear it. Go on. Instead, what they want is this like fig leaf of I've acknowledged there's implicit bias. So I'm I'm absolved. Now you do it because it's really you. It's you, white conservative, who truly I'm speaking to and not me or anybody on the left and certainly not a black woman of color, which Banky is.

35:43Emily Jashinsky:And the explicit construction of their ideology is that you cannot be reverse racist because you have to be part of the oppressing class, not the oppressor, to have these problems. And that's blood guilt, basically, by the way. But this is the argument that it's structural racism that is baked in, and so it doesn't go the other way around. It can only go one way from the oppressor to the oppressed. Like, that is explicit in these arguments when you read the actual text and dive down into them. And that's why she has trouble answering that question, which is particularly disgusting and cynical because actually there's all kinds of social science research.

36:22Emily Jashinsky:We're talking about like mainstream social science journals. You can find some of this research on MIT's website. We were reading it on the wrap-up show yesterday that shows Americans have become closer and closer to race neutrality. We're never going to get rid of racism in the United States, but when you measure by her own term, implicit biases. Through social science, Americans over the same time period where we've had all of these big conflagrations over Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, George Floyd, have actually become significantly less racist, which, by the way, is a remarkable world historic achievement that in the United States, we have so many people from so many different backgrounds living so closely together, and we have been able to stamp out bigotry to the level that we have, to the level that we have.

37:05Emily Jashinsky:But because of this foolishness, we end up in these divisive media cycles, and they can't even answer clear questions about it in the light of day because their ideology falls apart, is ridiculous, and it's embarrassing. Well, and the studies also show that the more you study your implicit biases, the more racist you become. All the studies show that, that asking somebody to examine that, ruminate on it, ponder what what implicit biases do I have actually calls racism to the surface. It doesn't get rid of it. It kind of creates it like, geez, are there differences between the races? What are they?

37:45What have I seen about black people in the news lately? What comes to mind after this hour that you spend doing this kind of thing? You do not walk away less racist. You walk away more. The normal person does not sit around thinking about racial differences or applying a racial lens to every news item they hear, et cetera. They just they base their opinions based on their own interactions with people and to make them sit down and like categorize people and ask, what does this group do and what is this group like is not helpful. It's not helpful to race relations. Study after study has shown that a little bit more from Brandon Gill here trying to ask about diversity and whether it should apply on the U.S.

38:27Supreme Court beyond the black women or the black justices who are on there. Take a listen to SOT. Yeah, or wise Latinas. Here's SOT 24.

38:37Emily Jashinsky:Right now, there's about two of nine of Supreme Court justices are black. That's about 22 percent of the Supreme Court. According to your testimony about 13 % of America's population is black. If the Supreme Court should roughly resemble America's demographic makeup, as the ABA states, is proper, in your opinion, regardless of qualifications, should the Senate refuse to confirm a third black Supreme Court justice? The ABA supports and encourages diversity in all of its forms. That wasn't my question. My question was, if a Supreme Court vacancy opens up, should the Senate refuse to confirm a third black Supreme Court nominee based on his race or her race?

39:24Emily Jashinsky:The ABA does not support quotas. And so the ABA does support some sort of and we're going to hopefully we'll get into that. How about an Asian? Would you would you like to see an Asian American on the Supreme Court? Are you kidding me? They won't even let them into Harvard. Never mind on the Supreme Court. It's like these standards are absurd, Emily. She's she's a liar. She would not she would love to see another black woman or man for that matter, as long as he was a lib, make it onto the U.S. Supreme Court. She doesn't she doesn't actually care about representation for any other group. I mean, the concentrated power that they had in our institutions is now backfiring them in public because they're getting asked questions about it.

40:03Emily Jashinsky:And it reminds me of like when I'm in my house trying to fix my bike and I think I'm doing a really good job because nobody's there being like, no, that's not where you do it. Like, you're doing this all wrong. And then I take it out on the road and it falls apart on me. Not speaking from experiences, of course, never happened. But when you are not challenged, you do a really bad job. And that's what was happening in faculty lounges for a long time is that they weren't being challenged on the absurdities and the incoherences within their own arguments. First of all, because they created an environment where by their own ideological standards, it was racist, sexist, transphobic, whatever, to ask questions.

40:40Emily Jashinsky:Like literally you can find from 10 years ago, it's probably still happening now, people saying that like the Socratic method is racist. And even like pulling at these threads was racist or white supremacist in and of itself. And then when you don't do it at all, you take the bike out on the road and Brandon Gill is watching as it falls apart. Like he's there to laugh at you as he should be. And I just - You learn the hard way. I wanted to read this quote from my friend Billy Gribbon who works for Mike Lee. He posted one of these Gil clips and he said, in all seriousness, a vital part of salting the earth and ensuring that peak woke never returns is making, quote, serious people answer humiliating questions about it that they never want to hear again.

41:18Emily Jashinsky:And I actually think this is a great point because it stigmatizes the ridiculousness. Like, it should, at least, it might not in her fancy circles, but with the public, it stigmatizes the absurdities. So, hopefully, it's a disincentive from people trying to... And they must feel it. Right. Otherwise, they'd be much more fulsome in answering the questions. Otherwise, this woman wouldn't be looking down over here at the Smithsonian lady and trying to write a note as opposed to just answer it. She'd be like, yeah, I do. Yeah, I stand by it. And these are my implicit biases, the ABA woman. She would have said it openly.

41:52But no, they're running because they know how dumb they sound. I got to play 24 back to the ABA president and Mr. Gill.

41:59Emily Jashinsky:You think that it's a problem that the transgender community has never had representation on the U.S. Supreme Court? The ABA believes in diversity, equity, and inclusion. And I'm asking you about diversity, equity, and inclusion. I'm asking you about inclusion of the transgender community. We believe that people ought to bring their entire self to whatever role they're serving. You're refusing to answer my question. Do you think that it's important that we have a transgender Supreme Court justice? in order to include that community? I believe that it is always important, the ABA believes that it is always important to support and encourage diversity.

42:37Emily Jashinsky:So we should have a transgender Supreme Court justice? Diversity has many forms, and we believe that each person... Do you think that you're not answering in a straightforward way? Do you think that's because of your own implicit bias? I believe that I'm trying to explain that the ABA does not set quotas and does not believe that we need one... Do you have implicit transphobia? The ABA believes that diversity in all of its forms is important and helps the profession more globally. Oh, my God. He's a master. He's so good. But wait, we've got to give the honorable mention to Jim Jordan, whose question I have to say as a lawyer myself, I was like, thank God.

43:15It was just so gratifying, so satisfying to hear somebody ask this question in this way with his facts. God bless you, Jim Jordan. Stop 21.

43:25Emily Jashinsky:Third sentence of your written testimony, you said that the American Bar Association is a nonpartisan organization. Is that really true? Yes, sir, it is. Really? Do you take any partisan positions as the American Bar Association? The ABA takes position when our House of Deli... The association opposes any law that restricts abortion. This came out after the Dobbs decision. That's pretty partisan. The American Bar Association opposes detention of individuals who are here illegally. Any migrants who break our immigration laws, you oppose detention. Those sound pretty partisan positions to me. Would you agree?

44:04Emily Jashinsky:The ABA takes positions by our House of Delegates, which is made up of 600 lawyers from across the country. When we take positions, we do so based on the information that we believe is... How about men and women's sports? Do you have a position on that? I don't have a list of all of our. I'll read from the American Bar Association adopted by the House of Delegates, August 9th, 2021 resolution. The American Bar Association opposes any federal, state, local, territorial, tribal regulation or policy that prohibits transgender students from participating in athletics in accordance with their gender identity.

44:41Emily Jashinsky:Sounds like you're for men and women's sports to me. Yes, it's been so frustrating. And yet still, when we get like a nominee to the U.S. Supreme Court, what do you get? Well, the ABA deems this person qualified or not qualified. Who cares what they think? They're a leftist organization. Might as well check in with Planned Parenthood or Code Pink and see how they think. You know exactly what you're going to get. You know what their agenda is. It's it's not explicitly stated, but it's been espoused in one way, shape or form over the years. And those of us who don't share these values are left to just bang our heads against the table as they try to masquerade as some sort of independent, objective, fair, inclusive trade group that represents us all.

45:26Emily Jashinsky:They really thought nobody else was going to, they really thought that they had totally quashed the opposition to this. They really, because they're in their bubbles, they really believed they had won over the public. They believed the moral arc of history was long and it bent towards their version of justice, as Obama liked to quote from MLK. And that's why I think they're now in these positions, because they did not expect other people would take back the power and have the courage, in some cases, to push back. It's courage that comes from the public. I mean, I don't think Republicans were eagerly pushing back on all of this stuff probably as soon as they should have been.

46:01Emily Jashinsky:But the public has now put the wind in their sails because the public rejected this when they believed, the left believed, they had intimidated the public out of asking these questions or pushing the representatives to ask these questions. And so now they're, this is their bed. They made their bed. They have to lie in it because this is the circumstance that they created for themselves. Rahm Emanuel was just asked about the trans issue in a very interesting exchange with David Remnick of The New Yorker. And Rahm Emanuel was pretty explicit with me saying he does not want to see men in women's sports and he doesn't believe a man can become a woman, which is crazy stuff to say for a Democrat who's probably running for president.

46:43But it was wonderful to hear somebody just say what was real. And I really gave him a lot of credit for it. Well, now he's not across from MK. He's across from David Remnick of The New Yorker. And it went a little differently. He didn't backtrack on it, but he didn't answer it either. And he's kind of getting hit for doing that, for like getting out of balance. Watch.

47:04Emily Jashinsky:Our reading scores and math scores are in the tank. Fifty percent of our kids cannot read or do math at grade level. And we're going to talk about bathroom access. So my view is if you want to win elections and you also want to help kids get prepared for the future, focus on the bottom line of what schools. I understand that, Brown. But all I would say that there were times in earlier times with other groups that didn't have their rights, and they were told to be patient, too, and the focus on their rights was distracting. That's what Letter from Birmingham Jail is all about, patience versus urgency.

47:41Emily Jashinsky:Well, as a country, we proved we couldn't do it. Because you haven't told me and asked me a single question how to get 50 % of our kids. We'll get there. No, wait a second. Wait a second. You started where you thought was a priority. I'm going to tell you. I'm asking you, Ram, about what's become, and a lot of your speeches and interviews are kind of a tagline to differentiate yourself. I think that's the motivation. It's not just a tagline. I passed a bill in 2016, 10 years beforehand. I made sure that kids had access to a bathroom. I just didn't let it distract from reading math or graduation rates.

48:19Just to add one thing to that, So David, Dave Weigel, who's a leftist journalist, writes unenlightening exchange. Emmanuel is very comfortable talking about the focus, but not the policy. When I asked if the next president should undo Trump's executive order on gender, he pivoted and said he'd be focused on corruption. So when in front of his fellow leftists, he's not disavowing. He's getting out of bounds. He's kind of doing what Abigail Spamberger did in Virginia before she was elected governor, where she just kind of keeps saying, like, that's such a small issue. Let's talk about things that matter, which, you know, gave some people hope that she'd be reasonable on it.

48:58She has him. She's not. I don't I think Rahm Emanuel is secretly or explicitly on our side on this. And this is a tactic to get away from these leftists trying to pin him down with more specificity on exactly what he do, like on the Trump executive order. But I do think it's interesting that even in front of a leftist, he didn't disavow.

49:17Emily Jashinsky:Right. And David Remnick is doing what the head of the ABA didn't have the courage to do, which is explicitly compare the trans identifying population in the United States to people suffering under Jim Crow. That is beyond offensive. Rahm Emanuel should have called him out on the spot, but he's clearly testing out this new line, which is that it's about getting test scores up. It's not about bathrooms. Weigel's question is a good one. It reminds me of like asking Democrats exactly what they would reverse of the Trump immigration policy, because what they're trying to do, and it works sometimes, if you have an opponent that's not up to the task, like Abigail Spanberger had, and you have low popularity for a Republican president, then yes, you can sometimes win lesser than two evil elections.

49:59Emily Jashinsky:If that's what the independent kind of swing voters are going off of, we just are going to vote for the person that's the lesser of two evils, you can sometimes win with it. But if that's the direction that Democrats cannot get away from, in the long term, it is going to be a huge, huge problem for them. And the problem then for Republicans is whether they can put themselves in a position to capitalize on it. But that is what David Remnick is doing is what the head of the ABA and the Smithsonian American History Museum should have done if they had any honesty in them, which is say, yes, we believe this is the exact same thing as apartheid Jim Crow.

50:35Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, letter from a Birmingham him jail was an MLK letter from 1963 where he was saying injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere and it's time to stand up for civil rights and so on. That was with respect to race, which is an immutable characteristic and thus gets special protection in the law, as does gender. Another thing we cannot change, which the law recognizes. Aging when you become older, another thing we cannot change. These things get special protections in the law if you get discriminated on the basis of them, since they are immutable characteristics. If you have a mutable characteristic, which leads to somebody treating you differently, it gets a totally different level of scrutiny by any court.

51:22And the court just found that the transgender thing is a mutable characteristic. It's not immutable. You're not born like that. It's a social contagion. For some, it's a sexual fetish. So we're not going to treat it like that. And how dare David Remnick compare the fight for civil rights by these trans people, most of whom are enacting a sexual fetish on us, to the actual struggle of blacks in America under Jim Crow. It really was an outrageous comparison. Rom missed a chance to stake out the moral high ground against somebody who was trying to stake it out against him. And it's just an absurd thing to bring up in this context.

52:02So, OK, we have much more to discuss with Emily. We got to get to Sophie Cunningham, who's emerging as a hero in women's sports and some thoughts. Well, we'll keep it going. Stand by. In the US, a break in happens every 26 seconds. Most systems only alert you after an intruder is inside the home. By then, the damage is done. Most of these guys smash and grab, and then they get the heck out of there. You don't have time to wait for the cops. But SimpliSafe is different. With their new Outdoor Camera Series 2 and Advanced AI, SimpliSafe doesn't just watch, letting the intruders try to break into your house.

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54:36Back with me now, Emily Jashinsky, host of After Party with Emily Jashinsky, live every Monday and Wednesday night on YouTube. Go and subscribe now. Just type in After Party with Emily in the YouTube search box and it will come right up and subscribe. OK, there's drama. You'll be shocked to learn in the WNBA today on multiple fronts. I mean, these women, they cannot keep their shit together. It's actually quite amazing to watch. There's a new controversy involving race or sexuality or the trans thing pretty much every other week. Now, this is kind of a good one, the one we're starting with first.

55:13This Sophie Cunningham has spoken out against men playing in women's sports. And I have to say, first of all, obviously good for her. But this is on the heels of somebody I don't like at all politically, but I have nothing against personally. Martina Navarrola helping lead the way in women's tennis to keep men out of women's tennis. I completely applaud her on this. she got out there and made comments a couple years ago against men and women's tennis and she got her hand slapped and she kind of took it back initially and then she came around on this issue she i think she realized why am i letting people slap my hand on this i'm a world champion you know 10 15 times over i have a right to my opinion and this is what i think and she's been very fearless on it ever since so while we've sparred politically many times she and i um i completely applaud her on this unreservedly.

56:07And she has led to the rule being changed in women's tennis that will not allow men to play against women. So hurrah. Good for her. Perhaps inspired by that. I can't prove it, but perhaps Sophie Cunningham, who is one of the stars in women's tennis, sorry, women's basketball, best known recently for the pointing me, which went everywhere. It was so good. She's decided I think she's feeling, you know, she's sowing her oats, whatever. She's she's always pretty fearless. She's pretty bold. But she has decided to speak out against men in women's basketball, saying I don't think it's right or men in women's sports.

56:46And given the chance to take it back, here's what she said just yesterday. Sat One.

56:53Emily Jashinsky:On that same vein and that story with ESPN, you talked about wanting to protect young girls who shouldn't have to go against biological men. Just can you expand your viewpoint on that? I mean, I think I said what I said. I think it's kind of common sense. And I think I'll always believe in that. I think it's really important to protect children. And that's little girls who are also involved in that category. And so I stand on what I said. And I always believe that. Do you see your advocacy on that, like taking any form going forward? You know, I don't know. I didn't, I'm not a very political person, but I do have beliefs.

57:26Emily Jashinsky:I have morals and I'll always stand on those and be true to who I am. And I think people are going to take it how they want to take it, but I've never even really said anything about that. And so when it comes just to protecting young girls in sport and women in sport, I feel very strongly about that. I think that's why you have Title IX. That's why you have some of the greats in women's sports. If Title IX and women's sports weren't protected, then you wouldn't hear about any type of women in sport. And so I think in the future, it's just really important to protect. I actually think this is a huge moment.

58:00Like, good for her. She's not Martina. She's in the game right now. She's not retired. She doesn't have all the money and accolades and sort of lifetime revered status in her sport that Martina Navarrola has in tennis. And so it's riskier for her and she's the only one doing it. I mean, truly no one else is doing it. I can't think of another person who's doing it. It's certainly not in the WNBA, but really in women's like professional sports right now, who is speaking out on behalf of the little girls who are getting hurt by boys playing in their sports? The biggest name that comes to mind is Megan Rapinoe, who's on the other side and just doubled down on her nonsense and inanity this week on The View on Tuesday.

58:43day. That's like women are not the women speaking out on this are women who are not currently in the game. You know, Megan, obviously, Riley Gaines got very active in this after she left college where she was a college swimmer. But like, it's very rare to see somebody like Sophie Cunningham in the game making money as a headliner right now come out and say this is wrong. And then standing by it when asked after, of course, she must have been deluged with accusations. She was transphobe between then and now. And she stood by it and sort of said, I'm not political. This just makes common sense, which is just so great to hear, Emily.

59:24It's like, of course, you hear it

59:26Emily Jashinsky:said and you're like, of course. That distinction, I think, is actually really critical with her saying she's not political. It's just something that she believes is a value for standing, a value about standing up for women because it inverts what the cultural left likes to say about this issue, as we were talking about earlier, as a civil rights question, right? They say standing up for people who identify as trans is the new civil rights issue of our time. But as you were describing, your sex is an immutable characteristic, like a race. And that is exactly why the early, or I should say the sort of second wave feminist movement fought for, as a civil right, things like Title IX, which said, on the basis of sex.

1:00:08Emily Jashinsky:The Obama administration then read gender identity into that, which totally diluted the civil rights protection of basis of sex. Those words were totally diluted by the cultural left. And so when they say that they're not doing anything political, they're just standing up for human rights or civil rights in defense of men playing in women's sports, it's actually the people like Sophie Cunningham, who they try to smear as MAGA bigots who are the ones standing up for the explicit civil rights that second-wave feminists fought for, civil rights protections, including Title IX, including same-sex spaces.

1:00:43Emily Jashinsky:And I mean, I was just talking to Jen Say of XXXY Athletics a couple weeks ago, and I hadn't realized until I was talking to her that not one major current female athlete playing right now had done what Sophie Cunningham just did in the last couple of days. I did not realize that it's so out of whack with public opinion and it speaks to the pressure we've had some great great women speak out in um women's cycling women's weight lifting at the at the high school level we've seen it in track and field but in terms of like names in professional women's sports no one's coming to mind i'm forgive me if there's somebody out there who i'm missing right now, but we've been begging.

1:01:27I mean, I've been at, I was recently at a Jennifer Say event with Chloe Cole and many others on this issue, but like begging somebody to speak out. Like we were saying at that event, maybe Serena and Venus will, because they've got that same exalted status in tennis. No, it took Martina to do it, but like who, who will do it for their sport? And this, this gal, she's right at the apex of her sport right now. She does have a lot to lose and she's pretty damn fearless, this Sophie Cunningham. It's actually kind of interesting because to me, it's on brand for her. Not that I follow the WNBA, but I do know that she prizes herself on looking out for others.

1:02:06And that includes Caitlin Clark, who she's gotten very ticked off watching Caitlin Clark get fouled over and over and over again. And the refs never call it. And she's spoken to that here uh here she is this is from june 26th so a month ago sat three during real time last night i did not see that happen and like i don't none of our team saw it happen because i promise you that if we would have seen that happen we would have had her back unfortunately this type of shit happens every single game to her and the league and the refs do absolutely nothing about it it's been a minute since you got fined on this podcast i have but then like you see the videos of like literally kneeing and and cheap shotting c in the throat like if she did that to any of our teammates we'd be pissed but like they are they're definitely targeting her and the league and the refs do nothing to protect her you This is amazing.

1:03:05Like, good for her. People within the WNBA, you're not allowed to say that, Emily. If you stick up for Caitlin Clark, they'll call you a white supremacist. But this girl with the finger and the pointing does not give an F what these people are saying about her. Or if she does, she overcomes it with courage. And I admire her.

1:03:23Emily Jashinsky:Yeah, they call her MAGA Barbie. She just obviously has a pejorado. She just gets completely smeared when the entire country can step back and watch what happens to Kaitlyn Clark. It's legitimately dangerous. There's no question that it's legitimately dangerous. It also obviously puts the referees in a tough position where they are now litigating race relations with their calls on the court. That doesn't make anybody, anybody safer. It's really sad to see. And I mean, Sophie Cunningham is actually totally unafraid to come out. You can tell, like she's saying there, I don't care if I get fined, basically.

1:03:59Emily Jashinsky:She's like, it's genuinely dangerous. And the WNBA fandom, honestly, is small and it's ideologically captured. Not everybody who watches WNBA is far left, but that's the case with the WNBA audience generally. And it has really created a dangerous situation where they can't celebrate one of the best people to ever play the game, Caitlin Clark, who's bringing new people into the sport, who is exciting audiences, and who's just putting on great games because they're obsessed with this idea that there's some deep-seated racial discrepancy with the way she's treated versus the way other players are treated.

1:04:34Here's one of the reasons why it's so important. In basketball in particular, girls basketball, we have seen males play. And think of that. I mean, it's not like track and field where it's galling and it's unfair, but it's not unsafe to have somebody do the long jump next to you who's a boy. But in basketball, like volleyball, it's unsafe, like boxing, by the way. And even at the Olympic level, we saw those women try to do the XX and then immediately reverse themselves because they got the pile on. Now, the people saying, shame, shame, you're a bigot. And they folded. But Sophie Cunningham does not seem like the type to fold.

1:05:10And so far, she's not folding. But we pulled the video of some of these high school matches, games, in which girls got brutalized by this six foot tall guy posing as a woman. It's happened over and over. And it's incredibly aggravating because look at this. He whips her. She falls to the ground. This one game, I think they had five female players get hurt and they had to stop the game. So this has happened. Look at this girl. She needed Sophie Cunningham. She needed Sophie Cunningham. No one would stand up for her. Look, it's obvious which one is the man walking around, towering over these women and hurting them.

1:05:50It's just incredibly frustrating and infuriating. And it was about time we had Sophie Cunningham come along and lead the way. The question now, will anyone else follow? I'll get to Megan Rapinoe in a minute. She's not. She wants my daughter who plays soccer to get hurt by a man and she has no problem with it. None whatsoever. But let me stay on the WNBA for a second, Emily. It's very annoying. I would never watch the WNBA. I just feel like they're so annoying. I don't know how Sophie Cunningham works in this league. I don't know how Caitlin Clark does either. Dave Portnoy is saying that Caitlin Clark should go start her own league and she'd make gazillions of dollars and she'd have a lot of people follow, probably Sophie.

1:06:36but there was a controversy on Monday today it's Thursday involving a ref so there's a ref by the name of Sandy Brundello and she is the coach of the Tempo the coach did I say I called her a ref no she's a coach she's the coach of the Tempo and what happened was her team was playing the Atlanta Dream and Angel Reese is on that team And Angel Reese is a black woman in the NBA who's been on the wrong side of Caitlin Clark a few times. And she's been very controversial and she's quick to inject race into any controversy and seems generally annoying, if I'm honest. But what happened in this particular instance is I'm going to I'm going to show you the play.

1:07:24But Reese, Angel Reese, secured an offensive rebound. She went to the basket against someone named Sabali. Reese put her shoulder into Sabali's chest to create space, but Sabali was called for the foul and collapsed to the ground in pain. A live mic then heard the coach, Sabali's coach, call Reese, quote, a protected species while addressing the officiating crew. It wasn't like she said it under her breath. She said it to the officials who were reffing the game after Reese drew the foul. Here it is in Sot 7. As she rolled over.

1:08:04Emily Jashinsky:Sandy Brondello pleads her case. Carl Smesko has walked over closer to the officials. Now, Brondello, the coach who said this, is an Aussie. And that phrase is apparently very common in Australia, in sports in particular. and it means over there that the athlete is getting protected or preferential treatment from the refs. That's what it means. So it was completely apt the way she used it. It did reflect what she was suggesting was happening, but a shit storm rained down on her as though this had to be a racist comment. There's zero grace in the WNBA for anyone. Any small perceived light will be blown up into a career endangering offense.

1:08:52So this woman, Brondello, ever since has been apologizing. She got suspended for a game. She was suspended from the game on Monday. She issued an apology to Reese saying, I used a phrase that I shouldn't have. I take full responsibility. I'm deeply sorry. I used it in the emotion of the moment. She didn't even just say like, this is something that's common in Australia. It doesn't mean what you think it like. She just fell on the sword, fell. Now, did Angel Reese, given this opportunity to be magnanimous, to extend some grace to this coach, understanding that this is not what it was being painted to be at all.

1:09:33It's the Australian thing. And honestly, you understand what she's saying, but whatever. No. No. This is how Angel Reese handled it. Listen, I don't know which side it is, but my team's got it. Hello everyone.

1:09:47Emily Jashinsky:I'm sure everyone knows about the situation that happened last game and I'm going to address this one time. First, I appreciate Sandy's apology, but I also appreciate the love and support that I have had for the last 48 hours. It has been very overwhelming with a lot of love and also other things, but I am grateful that the league did take action on what the situation had happened. there is no place um for discrimination or hate in this league from anyone from fans to coaches to players um and i'm just grateful that we are able to move on from the situation and um just play winning basketball um the wmba is supposed to be positive and we are going in a great light right now so i just want to continue that and move forward low road once again tries to pretend that a racist incident has taken place and there's no place for hate in this league she's got to lean into being the aggrieved victim of racism of this woman who did nothing wrong and paid a penalty for a completely innocuous comment that the substance of which appears to be totally right, that Angel Reese does get protected, whereas Caitlin Clark certainly never does.

1:10:57Emily Jashinsky:Yeah, I mean, I have great news for Angel Reese. There was no discrimination or hate at all from the other coach who sounded actually like Caitlin Clark's coach when after that incident with the infamous incident where she basically got a punch to the throat, Caitlin Clark's coach came out and condemned hatred and discrimination that had been directed against the opposing player instead of just like standing firm and saying the league is making my players less safe. You saw the clip you just played. It's not just Caitlin Clark who's less safe because of this. It's the black players as well. And in the United States, we have a proud tradition in recent decades of celebrating our black athletes, our white athletes.

1:11:38Emily Jashinsky:It's actually incredible how we've been able to neutralize bigotry and discrimination, particularly in sports. And so for the WNBA to be mired in this racial controversy that's actually making people less safe because Angel Reese has put herself forward as a martyr for racial causes, that does make it tough for refs who know that every call is going to get clipped. They understand that every call now risks being clipped and put onto the internet and becoming a big racial controversy. And so, yes, they're probably less likely to call Angel Reese, to call follows on Angel Reese when there are flagrant follows.

1:12:17Emily Jashinsky:That's making everybody less safe. It's not good for anybody. And as somebody who is the probably closest thing to a man on my high school basketball teams, not because I was particularly good, but because I was particularly angry, you know how dangerous women's basketball can get because there's elbows flying everywhere. You saw it looked like a kidney shot there. The throat shot to Caitlin Clark. Somebody is going to get seriously hurt. We are lucky that it has not happened yet. Yes. And that's why the Sophie Cunninghams of the world are so important because she's saying what's real. She's standing up for her teammate.

1:12:55Right. She and Caitlin are on the same team and she's calling out nonsense. And she's standing up for other little girls who are in basketball and otherwise. Here was Sophie Cunningham. The whole this this dynamic that we're discussing right now is what was behind the famous pointing with the finger, you know, up and down. This was this happened in June. And she here she is explaining on the show me something podcast, explaining what was behind that now viral finger point in SOT2. I walked out there and I was literally talking to the ref say your DB

1:13:32Emily Jashinsky:I was like this with the ref I was like now Kaylin got one but why didn't she get one because if Kaylin's gonna get one then she should have got one it shouldn't have been one or the other and I was just kind of pointing and she's like don't you don't you point at me and I was like oh shouldn't have said that and I didn't say a word uh okay that's so stupid like that is the stupidest thing i've ever done it's the probably the number one meme at least on twitter this morning it is which is special it was pissing her off and like i couldn't help myself i could not she was losing her shit and all i was doing was literally pointing because it was you i think it just it plays better on the internet but i think what agreed and another thing is too why it played so well is because i literally did not say a word so she's talking about how in that infamous exchange in which Caitlin took it to the neck that Caitlin got a foul, but the other girl who did it to her didn't get the foul until after the game was done.

1:14:34They came back and finally said, okay, that was a flagrant. But she's saying that she went and said, wait a minute, if Caitlin's going to get a foul, why aren't you going to get a foul? Why is Caitlin the only one getting a foul? Like this league, it's out of control. It is blatantly racist, just not in the way they say it is, Emily.

1:14:54Emily Jashinsky:They really need a total reset because, and I don't trust that they would be able to do a total reset in a good direction, because even as we've seen with the audience capture, like it's the coaches who then are coming out and groveling to the left, to the cultural left after these incidents happen. So even if they tried to do a total reset, it would probably go in the exact wrong direction. But what they really need is a reset to just restore some normalcy, some sanity to understand how amazing it is that this league even is able to exist and that the athletes black and white have so much support from people who, for whatever reason, just genuinely really love watching professional women's basketball and have some gratitude for the fact that they're able to play the sport at a professional level with fans and able to get along on their teams.

1:15:40Emily Jashinsky:It's actually historically remarkable and they have no sense of perspective about it. They're just mired in these controversies, racial controversies that are genuinely making people less safe. And I think before any reset happens, someone sadly is going to get very, very hurt. They may be white, they may be black, but it's going to happen. You know, we're told in defense of this conduct, well, you know, you have to remember that the league is predominantly black and the players are also predominantly gay, like they're lesbians. So we have to like interpret all of their behavior through this lens.

1:16:12And I guess, you know, cut them some slack. That's not the argument that they make when it's whites that are accused of being racist against a minority group. No one says, well, you have to understand that the majority in this group, they're white. So, you know, they don't they don't like having this black person come in and get all the attention. I mean, imagine making that argument when it involves whites as the majority. But when it's blacks as the majority, as it is in this league, we're asked to just we We have to understand that it's it's a black majority league and therefore Caitlin Clark and the attention she gets is very annoying to them.

1:16:50And so we just have to really cut them that slack, give them that grace, because naturally they're offended that she gets so much attention. What do you mean? What are you saying? Did somebody give that lecture to the white golfers when Tiger Woods was the star of the world?

1:17:05Emily Jashinsky:That's racist. Like that's what's actually racist. That's not even just soft bigotry of low expectations. That's the hard bigotry of low expectations, saying you have to cut slack to the black players for committing these flagrant egregious fouls left and right because, you know, they are oppressed. They're an oppressed minority, which they're not even a minority in the league. Like, it's just ridiculous. It's the kind of stuff that, again, falls apart when it's exposed to daylight with the majority of the public, which doesn't normally watch the WNBA. But the temperatures have risen in the league among all players.

1:17:39Emily Jashinsky:among all players. And that's why we're starting to see these games, I think, spiral out of control because the refs don't know what to do about it. They're under immense pressure. They know they're going to get clipped. They know they can find themselves at the center of racial controversies. Some of the players want to be at the center of those controversies because there's an incentive among the audience captured fans. So it's a really, really, really dangerous situation. Well, enter Nancy Armour, who will always make it worse. She is, I think, literally the worst journalist in America. She writes for USA Today.

1:18:11She's horrid. She's never seen a tranny she doesn't want playing against our daughters ever. She is 100 percent on team trans. She has no kids. What a shock. She continuously writes inane pieces for USA Today on these so-called trans rights and how all the rest of us who don't want trannies playing against our girls are bigots. So she's decided to write about Caitlin Clark. Okay, there's an opportunity here. Are you going to write about how she's being treated unfairly, about how she's constantly getting fouled and she's probably going to get seriously injured unless the refs stand up and do their jobs?

1:18:51The articles should not be about the racist backlash to the players who hurt her. They should be about the players who hurt her and the injuries to Caitlin, right? Okay, Obviously not. So she's just dropped a piece called Caitlin Clark's flopping isn't just annoying. It's becoming dangerous. It's it's becoming dangerous. Flopping is when you fake that you're injured and you're not. I.E.C. World Cup. She criticizes the Indiana Fever star for what she calls habitual flopping and dramatic reactions to and the exaggeration of non calls, arguing it endangers her opponents by inciting racist harassment from some of Caitlin Clark's fans.

1:19:38You can't make this shit up. Quote, the fouls they claim occurred, the contusion she says she suffered, the technicals that aren't deserved. Clark doesn't suddenly become invisible when she's involved in a physical play. So we can see what actually happened. She brings up some examples and goes through. She says, oh, you know, basically she wasn't hurt in this incident, yet she collapsed to the ground as if she'd been hit in the stomach with a battering ram, then yelled at the refs, demanding a foul. They reviewed it and saw what everyone else had. There was no foul, barely any contact. Three days later against the Golden State Valkyries, Clark said she got kneed in the quad by Kia Stokes as Clark dove to the basket.

1:20:16Clark was livid when no foul was called, dropping an F-bomb as she yelled at the ref. I got an eight in the quad. That hurts, Clark said after the game. The ref can't miss that. Then I have to play with a contusion in my leg for the rest of the game. That's ridiculous. You can't miss calls like that. Yet once again, according to Armour, replays clearly showed if there was contact, it was minimal. She says, let's call it what it is, flopping. Clark's hardly the only athlete to do it. Talks about the World Cup. It's been a staple of James Harden's career. blah blah blah and she says I'm not a Clark hater before you accuse me of that and she's done all sorts of good things for the league but it doesn't entitle to her a pass okay here we go it seems there is a white nationalist element to Clark's fandom that is deeply deeply problematic made even more so because the WNBA is made up of predominantly black women many of them queer Here we go.

1:21:09Okay. The problem is the league is majority black and queer. So Caitlin's fans are bad. When Clark claims fouls that don't exist, when she goes on profanity, lays tirades at referees, those racists see her as a white woman in need of saving and take matters into their own hands. This is crazy. Chelsea Gray of the Las Vegas Aces posted a message she got following the July 12th Game Against the Fever, in which a man called her a racial slur. Enough is kind of enough, Grace said on July 15th. These messages are not the first of its kind. There was other stuff too. It was just time. I got fed up with it and I just decided to share it.

1:21:51That's called a day on the internet, madam. If any of us wanted to show you the hideous, racist, misogynistic, bigoted slop we are all subjected to on any given day, if we say something or do something remotely controversial, we'd be here forever. Most of it's from me. It's not nice to you. Most of it's from me to you. I mean, we talked about it, but I thought it would stop. Still, you go on. Anyway, nevertheless, I persist. This is like they're making it sound like this is a unique thing to the NBA. Like they get nasty comments in their case, raise it like it's it's 2026 America. If you have any presence on the Internet, you've been subjected to this nonsense.

1:22:33OK. And anyway, It shouldn't need reminding, writes Nancy Armour. This country has an awful history of black people being harmed, even killed in the name of defending, in quotes, white women. The WNBA's all star game this weekend is in Chicago. Emmett Till's hometown and a local art gallery is currently hosting an exhibit imagining his life if he hadn't been lynched. What is it with Emmett Till? Right. This like this just came up the other day in the in the Nolan Wells case where Ben Crump or was mentioning Emmett Till as though Nolan Wells, a black young man in Mississippi who is beloved by his white male friends, turned up dead on a beach, apparently drowned, though there's an investigation underway, has nothing to do with Emmett Till.

1:23:27But they brought up Emmett Till because of Emmett Till. We need to investigate these white boys who loved him and befriended him. But they're suddenly the same as all those Mississippi racists back in the day. Why again? Because they're white. OK, so here she is. Now, Caitlin Clark can't say when a black person hurts her on the court because of Emmett Till. because of Emmett Till. She has to zip it, suck up the injury because of Emmett Till. And then she finishes, while it's incumbent on the WNBA to do more to protect its players, there also should be an expectation on Clark to recognize the wider consequences of her actions.

1:24:10It ends with this line. Again, I'm not a Clark hater. She's great for the league and for women's sports. She'll be even better when she cuts out the Oscar auditions.

1:24:20Emily Jashinsky:Thoughts on that, Em? Oh my goodness. Well, speaking of art exhibitions, that column should be in an art exhibition. That is a work of art. Incredible stuff. Well done. 10 out of 10 on the crazy spectrum. But I have a theory about the Clark flopping because this is the new attack against her. And I think it is 100 % true that you can see clips of Caitlin Clark flopping. Again, as the writer points out, Not unheard of in the NBA or the WNBA, not unheard of in soccer, certainly. But I think the reason that Caitlin Clark, I think more and more you see sometimes there's an exaggeration of what happened to her.

1:24:56Emily Jashinsky:It's because when things that are genuinely dangerous happen to her, they don't call it. And so she's protecting herself. It might not even be conscious, but she's protecting herself by trying to call attention to fouls and trying to call attention to when she is getting attacked on the court. because she has to get it to stop. If she wants to keep playing professionally, she has to find a way for them to actually call the aggression against her. So whether it's conscious or not. It's racist of her. Very racist of her. It's racist. Before she tries to protect herself on the court, she needs to consider the cultural context in which she's playing, Megan, which actually, instead of this, like...

1:25:31Emily Jashinsky:I would tell! The glass-half-full narrative about race relations in America is so cynical and sad because the glass-half-empty narrative is, A, more accurate, and be much more beautiful, inspiring, and true to the experience that we all have around us, which is that bigotry has been largely stamped out in this country. It will never go away completely. But in recent decades, we've had amazing strides. That's why the WNBA has a multiracial fan base and you have black players and white players playing next to each other, respecting each other, but they're blowing it up over the stupid Selma envy of white writers like this lady.

1:26:07Yes, it's so absurd. So she's supposed to go down. And by the way, isn't LeBron James like known for the flopping? Isn't he infamous for faking injury, over the top faking injury all the time? So he's allowed to do it because he's a black man, but she can't do it because she's a white woman in the WNBA. So she's got to go down. And when she's thinking about getting an advantage for her team, possibly by, you know, eliciting a foul, she's got to be like, Emmett Till, I'm fine. I'm fine. You're not allowed to do it because of Emmett Till. It's the rare exception to the flopping behavior that applies only to white basketball players.

1:26:48I look forward to Nancy Armour's addressing this in the NBA as well. I mean, should the male, should the white male basketball stars not be allowed to flop because of Emmett? There should be like, it should be a universal principle to protect because black lives matter because of BLM. That's, that's basically where Nancy stands. How is this idiot still employed by USA Today? What editor published that?

1:27:14Emily Jashinsky:Some editor got that in their copy and like, it wasn't just her posting to a sub stack. Like some editor got that in the copy and was like, yep, we're going to run it. Sounds good. Airtight. Great argument. She's, she should stop it right now because of Emmett. All right. Well, that's going to be our motto from now on. Whenever she goes down, I'm going to raise Emmett Till. Like, how dare she? How dare she? In the wake of Emmett. Before we take our break, Megan Rapinoe on The View continues to spew nonsense. She doesn't care who gets hurt. She's got her millions. F the rest of you ladies. Here she is in SOT 5.

1:27:53There's been a lot of debate about trans women in sports, and you recently wrote an article basically saying that anti-trans legislation is not actually about protecting girls, but distracting us from what really matters.

1:28:06Emily Jashinsky:Tell us what you mean by that. It's a beautiful article. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate that. I think what I mean by that is let's just pull back a little. At first it was like, well, nobody likes women's sports and nobody wants to watch it. Or there was abuse happening and nobody seemed to care. Now, all of a sudden, we're going to use a vulnerable group of people in the trans community to be like, oh, well, we're just protecting women's sports and we care so much about it. When the Heritage Foundation is now going to go after Title IX. So is it about reproductive rights or is it about just women's rights in general?

1:28:38Emily Jashinsky:We're seeing the rollback of Roe Wade. Marriage equality, I feel like, is getting put back on the table. That was settled law. And so all of these things like, yes, they're going after trans people in sports. And they're using this as a wedge issue because we love sports and, you know, we don't want our little girls to be unsafe in sports. And it's like unsafe from who? But OK. But now we're using this as like an overarching thing when really what we're attacking women. We're saying if you look like this as a woman, you can play. Huh? What? To quote Archie Bunker. I don't know what she's saying.

1:29:15She thought she'd sound smart if she mentioned the Heritage Foundation and Title IX. It's actually gone all the way up to the Supreme Court now, Megan. You might want to bone up on your legislative history if you're going to become a political pundit now. She's an idiot, obviously, but she seems to be spewing something about there's not going to be any more gay marriage. And the only reason people stand up for girls rights in sport is. I don't know why she's saying we're doing it. She said it's not about girls rights. I'm not sure why she says we're doing it, but it's not in her view about girls rights.

1:29:53Emily Jashinsky:I love that line. Protect them from who ask that to Peyton McNabb, Megan. Take that to Peyton McNabb, Megan Rapinoe, and see how she would answer that question. It's just stupid. You're right. She clearly thought she was being smart by invoking the Heritage Foundation, which is on the side of feminists in fighting for the feminist past, Title IX, to actually protect people on the basis of sex. That's who the Heritage Foundation is standing with on that, as the feminists of the 1970s who pushed for Title IX. She's the one who's on the other side of it. And she went on in that View interview to talk about the horrors of now having to test athletes on hormones and other things to, you know, make sure that you can play in one sport.

1:30:36Emily Jashinsky:It's like, she's saying, why are we doing that? Because of you, Megan Rapinoe, because of the ideology that you thrust into women's sports. This is literally the only reason that we are now testing people, which I don't think anybody wants to have to do. It's because you have blurred the distinction between men and women to the point of meaninglessness. And that's why the tests weren't happening until your movement became the primary defender of men playing in women's sports. That's exactly why those tests are now happening. If you just said that women could play in women's sports, men couldn't play in women's sports, nobody would have to test anything.

1:31:10Emily Jashinsky:It's you that pushed this. It's so true. From the beginning of time, we have been allowing butch-looking women to play women's sports. In fact, when one rolls up to your team, you're usually like, yes, because you know they're going to be strong and fierce and great. The women are never like, that's not a woman. Let's test to see if she's a woman. Only now that we know actual men are coming into our sports, has this become an issue of like, do we need to test? Like, do we actually need testing to figure out? And look, Imaine Khalif is a great example. That is a man who tried to pose as a woman along with a couple of others in Olympic boxing.

1:31:50And they were getting away with it until they did genetic testing. And it was revealed that our eyes were not lying to us. These were men. These were people with X, Y chromosomes. So whatever. I mean, you're right. She's to blame and she's losing. And that's what you're really saying is a loser's frustration out there because we just got a huge Supreme Court decision on our side saying it is fine for 27 states in the nation that have banned boys from girls sports to have those bans. And the next step will be to get the ruling that boys may not be allowed to play in girls sports because of Title IX, because girls are legislatively entitled to have a safe, same-sex-only athletic environment in which to play sports.

1:32:37That's what's coming next, Megan. Hate to break it to you. It's not the breakup of your stupid marriage. It's that, protecting girls nationwide. So brace yourself. All right, we're going to take a break. We shall be right back. More with EJ right after this.

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1:37:07We're back now with Emily Jashinsky, host of After Party with EJ and also the MK Wrap Up show, which airs live on Sirius XM right after this show, in which she takes callers. And it's actually a very fun listen. Oftentimes I'll hop right in my car after the show. I'm picking up a kid, etc. And I listen to it and I love, love, love the dynamic between you and the fans of this show, Emily. It's so fun. So here today they have you for three hours, which is extra special. Brooke Baldwin was CNN anchor for over 10 years. We played some of this yesterday in which she has a sub stack now in which she's bragging about casual sex and how she had the opportunity to sleep with four men this past month.

1:37:52One used to run a country. One literally flew in just to take me to dinner and then spends his days trying to save our democracy, one congressional district at a time. One is just hot. That's all you're getting for now. She says that her online dating profile reads, integrity, brains, respect, big career, deeply spiritual about herself, serial monogamist. But taking a break from that for the first time in my life, rare window. I'm sorry, but like, who talks about themselves like that? I have brains and a big career, just so you know. And I'm taking a break from my serial monogamy. And then she says, you know, this thing.

1:38:33Well, as it turns out, we should have paid to read the rest of her stupid sub stack, which we didn't, because who gives a shit about Brooke Baldwin, to be honest. And in the in the paid piece of the article, she confesses she actually did not have casual sex with these men. It was all just a teaser to get you to pay to listen to her lame recitations about her life. It's I don't I got nothing. But her hypocrisy stands because this is the same person who went after Clay Travis. And now we've learned more about that incident. He was on her show at CNN and said he believes in two things, the First Amendment and boobs.

1:39:12And she, as it It turns out after that happened, wrote this long piece on CNN dot com playing this virtuous card of how horrified she was at Clay Travis and painting herself as the hero, talking about how she she wasn't prepared for this. But she's she was they applauded her on set at CNN after she cut his mic and told him to get out. and uh they men and women men and women they both applauded me um and then i got notes like from pat benatar omg nice job cutting him right off asshole from friends and others good grief it's effing 2017 i love you ridiculous she repeats all this she wants us to know about all of her because of her brains and her integrity we need to know how what a hero she was and how much everybody looked up to her.

1:40:06Then she talks about how she, her passion project is elevating women, talking to first, to young women and seeing firsthand how so many of them feel empowered with a desire to be heard and get involved. And she wants to help lift women's voices. Now she really just wants them to, I guess, have casual sex with random hot guys. Clay Travis will never be coming back on my show ever. And she says he was demeaning to her. I mean, rather than just like laughing it off and being like, literally every man out there loves boobs. All the straight men in the world feel as Clay Travis does. He was having some fun.

1:40:45He was making a funny joke, but she takes herself so seriously. She had to have her feminist moment. Okay. Anyway, you decided to put together a little homage to Brooke Baldwin's weird substack musings and her bizarre TED talk. And here it is in part.

1:41:02Emily Jashinsky:America is at an inflection point. Once one of the most powerful women in news. So many women, black, white, brown, progress. Y 'all know the story of how a caterpillar becomes a butterfly? Now, thrust into a state of chaos, cast into the choppy waters of waning relevance. Flailing for a life raft, Baldwin took to Substack. Reality. The truth is at an inflection point. Over the last month or so, she wrote, I've had the opportunity to sleep with four different men. This is not a humble brag Nor have I suddenly become Samantha Jones Though, if that's your lane Do you, boo?

1:41:56You gotta see the whole thing On Emily's After Party feed So funny She did actually give a TED Talk Unbelievably Here's a longer stop from it Watch

1:42:08Emily Jashinsky:Y 'all know the story of how a caterpillar becomes a butterfly? Or you think you do? I'm gonna rock your world right now It's not like a caterpillar is like, okay, cool, cool, cool. Time to be a butterfly. No. Caterpillar's like, hey, I'm a caterpillar. I'm a caterpillar. And all of a sudden it starts turning into goo. What are these caterpillar cells fighting? They're fighting what's called imaginal cells. What are imaginal cells? They're these teeny tiny seeds of the butterfly that guess what? Have existed in the caterpillar all along. They start growing and they start multiplying and they start fighting.

1:42:49Emily Jashinsky:And by the way, sorry, nerd alert, imaginal. The Latin root, amigo, imago. What other words share the root? Imagination. Imagine. Image. And the imaginal cells, they use the goo to reconstruct an entirely new organism. So the caterpillar cells dissolve entirely into itself. And what comes from this process is an entirely new being. I believe this biological metaphor is the most profound of any example of transformation that exists. So to bring it full circle to us, we are the caterpillar. We're fighting the goo. This is the darkness before the dawn.

1:43:52It's unbelievable getting a window into who's been lecturing to us from the CNN set for almost 15 years, right?

1:44:00Emily Jashinsky:I was going to say, there is a serious angle to this, which, by the way, I didn't even finish that TED Talk because I was so horrified by the beginning of it. Like, it was making my skin crawl. It was making me, it was inducing a level of secondhand embarrassment that I don't think was survivable for more than 30 seconds. But I guess we just proved it wrong. I hear you. I mean, Lord have mercy, Brooke Baldwin is also clearly in the same category as Jim Acosta, as Don Lemon, as Terry Moran, as these people who were at quote unquote mainstream media purchase, very celebrated journalists at the top of their field who for years were telling us that they were just neutral observers.

1:44:38Emily Jashinsky:And then when they need to get money because they're thrust out of this high-paying mainstream, quote-unquote, mainstream media gig, they turn and totally just reveal themselves to be left-wing ideologues. She's been thirst-tagging James Tallarico in posts. She's been hanging out with Nicole Hannah-Jones of the 1619 Project. Like, also, there's the, like, terrible confessional writing angle of all of this, which it reminds me of somebody who wants to, like, be Alina Dunham but doesn't have any of the talent of Alina Dunham and just wants to kind of, like, exploit her exploits. It's all there's this novel from 1973 called Fear of Flying by Erica Zhang that I feel like really started this like feminist confessional writing in a way where it's like you're supposed to be very proud about your sexual conquests as a woman, which most women.

1:45:28Emily Jashinsky:Even though she's made none. If you paid for that, as I bet producer Steve did, you should get your money back. Send an email. I know. That's terrible. Producer Steve would like you to know he did not. Debbie Murphy did it. Canadian Debbie did it. God bless you. This is like, look, this is what she keeps. She's posting this online of her like doing acrobatic yoga poses so we can see her ass. Those bikini photos are from her social media. She wants us to see her in a bikini. I'm like, I guess you've given up your news job because very few news women would actually post bikini photos of them, even if they look great.

1:46:03They are too reserved, too professional, too intent on maintaining a professional relationship with the audience to do such a thing. She's referring to herself as a sapiosexual, meaning she's attracted to brains. What do you mean? Like you're fucking human. Everybody is attracted to brains. What do you like? She said anybody keeps telling you how smart they are and how like she'll only have sex with a smart guy probably isn't. This is getting more pathetic by the day. I don't know if CNN did this to her or just didn't catch this about her. But I'm starting to think Jeff Zucker was the he was on the right side.

1:46:37I think I'm on his side.

1:46:39Emily Jashinsky:Emily, he's the hero of the story. I think she's stuck in 2020. Like this might have worked with her small circle of like New York City feminists at the time, but doesn't anymore. No, fell flat. Emily, great to see you. See you on the next hour tomorrow. Chris Hansen, formerly of To Catch a Predator. See you then. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda and no fear.

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