In short
The podcast episode recounts the early phase of the Scott Peterson case—his double life, his relationship with Amber Fry while his wife Lacey Peterson is missing, and how Amber secretly records calls to help police.
Guests (in this episode)
No podcast guests are interviewed in the provided transcript. The narrative includes real people (Amber Fry, detectives Al Brocchini and John Bueller, profiler Sharon Hagen, detective Craig Grogan, and others), but they are not presented as “guests.”
Guest backgrounds (mentioned)
Amber Fry is a 27-year-old massage therapist/single mother in California. Sean Sibley is a friend who introduces Amber to Scott. Sharon Hagen is a criminal profiler on loan from the Department of Justice.
Key claims
Scott lied about being single; he continued contacting Amber while Lacey was missing; Amber’s recordings were used to pressure him and assess inconsistencies.
Notable examples
Scott’s “New Year in Paris” call from Modesto; Amber’s Christmas Eve/holiday timeline; the January 6 motel/alias setup; the February 10 “lavender bush” gift with seeds; later bodies found near Richmond suspected to be Lacey and Connor.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOIntroduction to Amber Fry
0:00 to 0:20
Explore Amber Fry's New Year's Eve and her relationship with Scott Peterson.
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Introduction to Amber Fry
0:54 to 3:17
Explore Amber Fry's New Year's Eve and her relationship with Scott Peterson.
“In California's Central Valley, a 27-year-old massage therapist named Amber Fry is at a party with her friends when her phone rings.”
Understanding Title Fraud
3:17 to 4:29
Learn how AI can be used for title fraud and the importance of protection.
“And criminals are using these tools right now to potentially steal from you.”
Amber Meets Scott
4:29 to 7:41
Amber Fry recounts her initial meetings with Scott Peterson.
“Scott Peterson meets Amber Frye on a blind date.”
The Truth Revealed
7:41 to 12:00
Scott Peterson confesses to Amber about his marriage and its impact.
“At this point, Lacey Peterson is very much alive and living in Modesto, pregnant with their son.”
Amber's Investigation
12:00 to 14:01
Amber Fry starts to suspect Scott's true identity and investigates.
“He calls Amber twice on Christmas Day, and she hears a woman's voice in the background.”
Amber's Shocking Discovery
14:01 to 15:02
Amber learns about Scott Peterson's missing pregnant wife, Lacey.
“It sounds like the same Scott Peterson from Modesto.”
Amber's Shocking Discovery
15:56 to 16:22
Amber learns about Scott Peterson's missing pregnant wife, Lacey.
“Summer routines live or die by how easy they are.”
The Police Interview
16:25 to 18:17
Amber shares details of her relationship with Scott Peterson to the police.
“The next morning, December 30th, Amber sees footage of Lacey's family on TV.”
Recording Scott's Calls
18:17 to 23:06
Amber begins secretly recording her conversations with Scott Peterson.
“And so we retrieved a recorder out of my trunk along with like 10 tapes and some batteries.”
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Amber's Press Conference
23:06 to 26:39
Amber Fry speaks to the press about her relationship with Scott Peterson.
“She pages through old issues of the Modesto Bee, the local newspaper.”
Ending the Connection
26:39 to 28:00
Amber decides to sever ties with Scott Peterson for her safety.
“Amber receives several calls from Scott this day.”
Discovery of the Bodies in the Bay
28:00 to 30:44
Learn about the chilling discovery of Lacey Peterson and her baby's bodies and its implications.
“Amber sets down the phone and waits to feel relieved, but she doesn't.”
Transcript
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1:11Thank you. Amber, are you there? I'm here. Amber. I wish you could hear me. I'm near the Eiffel Tower. New Year's celebration is unreal. The crowd is huge. They met on a blind date six weeks ago at a bar in Fresno. He told her he was single. He told her he lived alone in a big house in Sacramento built in the 1940s. He told her he is a fertilizer salesman and that his job takes him all over the world, from Boston to Cairo to Paris. He said he really wishes he could have pets, but because of his frequent travels, it wouldn't be fair to them. He has met her two-year-old daughter and picked the little girl up from preschool.
1:55He has taken the two of them out to choose a Christmas tree. Amber Fry saved the cork from a bottle of wine they drank together. She wrote their names on it and the date. Amber, you're there. I can't hear you right now, but I'll call you on your New Year's. Okay, I'll hear from you then. Amber, Amber, miss you. I'll see you soon. He is not near the Eiffel Tower. He is standing in the grass of East La Loma Park in Modesto, California, three blocks from his own front door. More than a thousand people are standing there with him in the dark, holding candles and photographs of a woman who has been missing for a week.
2:33They are singing. They are praying. Some of them are crying. The woman is eight months pregnant with his first child, a boy they have already named Connor. Her name is Lacey Peterson, and she is his wife. And as he tells her of the crowd in Paris, Amber Fry already knows he's speaking lies. The day before, she told the Modesto Police Department everything she knows. Right now, in her hand, there is a tape recorder two of their detectives gave her. She is recording every word. I'm Megan Kelly, and this is MK Confidential.
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4:32On October 23, 2002, Sean Sibley meets Scott, then 30, at a pest control convention in Anaheim. and thinks he would be just perfect for her best friend. Sean thinks he's funny and good-looking, and Scott tells her he's single and looking for his life partner. The best friend is Amber Fry, a 27-year-old single mother with a 2-year-old daughter named Ayanna. She lives in Madera, California, near Fresno, and is looking and praying for a life partner of her own. Amber asks Sean if he's cute and nice. Her best friend says very to both. On November 20th, 2002, Amber arrives early at the Elephant Bar in Fresno for her date with Scott Peterson.
5:19A few minutes past seven, he walks into the bar wearing a well-cut suit. He is just over six feet tall, clearly fit, and he lights up when he sees her waiting. She had hoped it was him. He kisses her lightly on the cheek and says, Am I late? I'm sorry I'm late. He's four minutes late. The elephant bar is the meeting spot before they head to dinner. Scott asks her if they can first run to his hotel so he can check in, shower, and change out of the suit he's been wearing all day. Amber agrees and follows him up to his room. Before jumping in the shower, Scott pulls a bottle of champagne out of a duffel bag, opens it, and pours a glass for each of them.
6:00He returns, smartly dressed, and, as if he had forgotten something, grabs a box of strawberries out of the same duffel bag. He drops one into each glass of champagne. Clearly, Amber thinks this is a man who plans ahead. They leave the hotel and go to a private room at the Japanese restaurant, Idoya, where Scott tells her all about his life. Amber is taken with him and hopes they will see each other more. And they do. Scott meets Amber's little girl, Ayana, who likes him right away. He and Amber pick her up from school together. He even takes them to pick out a Christmas tree. Amber saves the cork from a bottle of wine they share and wishes she had grabbed it from that first bottle of champagne.
6:48She writes their names and the date on the wine cork, December 2nd, 2002, thinking this is the first of many. On December 6th, Sean Sibley finds out that Scott Peterson is married. She calls Scott and confronts him. He denies it, saying it must be a different Scott Peterson. Only when Sean searches county records online and finds Scott is married to Lacey Peterson does his story change. He is quiet for a long moment. Then he starts crying. Scott, she says, are you still there? What's going on? I'm sorry, he says. I'm sorry I lied to you. It's just, I lost my wife. It's been very hard for me. I haven't fully dealt with it yet.
7:34Oh my God, Sean says. I'm so sorry, Scott. I had no idea. He begs her not to tell Amber. I really care for Amber, he says, and I don't want to screw this up. Let me tell her myself. I want to tell her in person. Sean agrees. At this point, Lacey Peterson is very much alive and living in Modesto, pregnant with their son. She is nine weeks away from her due date. Two days later, on December 8th, Scott Peterson starts shopping for a boat, something he keeps a secret. He calls about a lightly used fishing boat from an online classified ad in the Modesto Bee and talks the seller down to$1 ,400. The next day, he pays cash for the 14-foot aluminum boat and its trailer, hooks it to his pickup, and tows it away.
8:27After his boat purchase, he visits a sport fishing website to find out what fish are currently in season. And then Scott drives south to Amber Fry's house near Fresno to keep the promise he made to Sean Sibley and tell Amber his story about losing his wife. Later, with the tape recorder running, Amber Fry tells Modesto detectives about that conversation. Scott arrives at Amber's house in Madeira in a sharp blue suit with a rotary pin on the lapel. He is clearly agitated and says he needs to speak with her. He pulls two chairs around so they face each other and sits. Amber remembers hearing his stomach churn and that Scott was having trouble swallowing.
9:11He looked upset, almost scared. We're holding hands at the table, like, I'm listening. You know, what is it? And he said that he had lied about being married. And at this point, he's crying and having a hard time talking and said he had lost his wife and it'd be the first holidays without her. She remembers comforting him, understanding how hard it must have been. I didn't know maybe she died in a car accident. Like, there was all these thoughts I wanted to ask, but at the same time, with his emotions, I thought, I don't want to pry. He'll share with what he feels comfortable with. Scott goes on to say, When I meet new people, I act like my marriage never even happened.
9:57Amber believes him. As he stammers, she interrupts. Jeez, Scott, for a moment there, I thought you were going to tell me you were married. No, he says, no, no. So she asks, are you ready for a relationship with me? He responds immediately, God, yes. On December 13th, Amber learns from Sean that Scott only told her about his supposed dead wife after Sean discovered he was married. The next evening, December 14th, before they leave for a party, Amber confronts Scott. Can I trust you with my heart? She asks him. You already know the answer to that, Scott says. No, I don't, she says. That's why I'm asking.
10:39She asks him again and again. He gives her the same answer. The party is a formal fundraiser at the World Sports Cafe in Fresno. She is in a red strapless gown and looks stunning. He is in a tuxedo he rented that week. Before they go, she asks him how she should introduce him. There's going to be a lot of people I know at this fundraiser, Amber says. Are you seeing anyone else? I'm not seeing anyone else, he tells her. You're the only one I call sweetheart. I'm completely monogamous. So would I be safe to call you my boyfriend, she asks. I think that would be totally appropriate. Don't you? Amber smiles.
11:22Yes. Amber says they have a lovely time. All night, she introduces him as her boyfriend, and someone takes their picture. December 24, 2002. Lacey Peterson's stepfather, Ron Gransky, reports her missing to police. It is one of the few days Scott does not call Amber Fry. He's told her that he will be traveling to Maine, then Boston, then to Paris by way of New York until the end of January. He gives her a post office box in Modesto to stay in touch. But Scott is still in Modesto, and Amber has no idea. He calls Amber twice on Christmas Day, and she hears a woman's voice in the background. Scott says it's his mother.
12:08Amber wants to believe him, but has her doubts. Scott's behavior was starting to change little things, like giving her a time he would call her, which he'd never done before. On December 28th, Amber's curiosity turns into action. She asks a friend, Denise Lane, to help her look up Scott Peterson on the Internet. This was before the concept of Googling someone was second nature to America. There are several Scott Petersons in Sacramento, as it turns out, but nothing that seems to match. Frustrated, she calls Richard Byrd, a friend and officer with the Fresno police. She leaves a vague voice message asking him to return her call.
12:50The next day, Amber writes a prayer on a little slip of paper and drops it into the request box at her church. She asks God to open her eyes and ears so she can see what she needs to see and hear what she needs to hear. After church, she goes to see her police officer friend, Richard Byrd. She trusts him and paints the picture of life with Scott. Whenever he calls me sweetie, she says, I just melt. You know why he calls you sweetie? It's because he doesn't want to get your name wrong. He doesn't want to confuse you with all of his other sweeties. Bird promises to look into Scott and soon. He says he'll make some calls and nose around.
13:34That night, Bird calls. He has found a story about a Scott Peterson in Modesto whose wife is missing. I'm not sure it's your Scott Peterson, he says. Keep looking, Amber tells him. If you find out anything for sure, call me. I don't care how late it is. Later that night at 1.40 in the morning, Bird calls again. This time his voice has changed. Amber, he says, you're not going to like this. It sounds like the same Scott Peterson from Modesto. His wife is pregnant. She's missing. And there has been a huge search underway for her since the week before. At 1.43 a.m., Amber calls the Modesto Police Department.
14:20She tells police she may have information about Scott Peterson, but she first wants to make sure it's the right man. She asks them to confirm Scott's date of birth, and they do. Amber can hardly breathe. She tells the dispatcher everything. She has been dating this man. He is supposed to be on his way to Europe. Instead, she found out he is in Modesto and that his pregnant wife is missing. She gives the dispatcher her name and number, hangs up, and walks back out to her friends, sobbing. It's him, she says. Everyone's talking about weight loss injections because the results can be so dramatic.
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16:52Inside, Amber tells the detectives that 24 hours ago, she had asked God to open her eyes and ears. We get down to Amber's house, and her interview lasted more than an hour. It verified my suspicions earlier that he wasn't the person that he purported to be, especially on that Christmas Eve interview. You guys haven't had any problems, marriage problems. Al mentioned to her, you were somebody that we were praying for. We were hoping to God that somebody like you would come forward so it would help us with this case. Bueller starts a tape recorder, and Amber walks them through her relationship with Scott.
17:34She has brought photographs, gifts, and things he left behind. Her interview lasts more than an hour. Over lunch, Amber asks what she can do to help find Lacey. You're doing it, says Bueller. Amber presses. She later writes that she felt Lacey Peterson was counting on her to bring her and her baby home. The detective gives Amber a long look. How would you feel about taping your calls? Bueller asks her. Amber agrees to play along with Scott as if she knows nothing about Lacey and to record every conversation for the police. Bueller described the next steps for him and Bruckini when he spoke to me in 2021.
18:17And so we retrieved a recorder out of my trunk along with like 10 tapes and some batteries. And then we went to Radio Shack, which was nearby. And Brock bought the connecting unit that would go to her phone. And the recorder itself showed her how to use it. And as he's showing her how to use it, the phone rings. And Brock, he goes, gosh, that's Scott's number right there. Amber puts in the earpiece from Radio Shack. Her hands shake so badly that she misses the first call from Scott. Bueller tells her, relax, and that while she knows the call is being recorded, Scott has no idea. Amber then packs a bag and leaves her house to stay with friends.
18:54She does not want to be there alone with her daughter. Hours later, her cell phone rings again. It's Scott. Amber clears the room and tries not to panic. She reminds herself that Scott is in Europe, and she has to sound like she believes it. She starts the tape. Her palms are damp with sweat. Hello? Amber, hey, are you there? I can barely hear you. The line is full of static, but she hears him say he's catching a plane out of Normandy and will be in Paris for New Year's. She knows this isn't true. I miss you, he says. If you can hear me, bye. Scott is not in Europe. He makes that call from his own Modesto neighborhood.
19:37The moment Amber hangs up, she calls Bueller. Her hands are shaking so badly, she drops the phone. I spoke to him, she says, and I got it on tape. The next night is New Year's Eve. At East La Loma Park, Lacey's family is holding a candlelight vigil. They call Scott up to speak from the stage, and he declines, saying he'll watch from the crowd with his friends. As the candles burn around him, with people praying for his wife, Scott steps away and calls Amber. Over the next seven weeks, Amber secretly records more than 140 calls with Scott. She does her best to keep him talking.
20:40Then Scott returns home from Europe. On January 6th, Bueller brings Amber to Modesto and puts her in a motel under an alias. At the station, she joins Bueller, a criminal profiler on loan from the Department of Justice named Sharon Hagen, and Detective Craig Grogan. Lacey Peterson has been missing for two weeks. On the next call, they want Amber to coax some information out of Scott to push him to talk about his wife. Instead, he's got a bombshell for her.
21:39I've lied to that I've been traveling. Okay.
21:47The girl I got married to, her name is Lacey. She disappeared just before Christmas. For the past two weeks, I've been in Modesto with her family in mind, searching for her. The conversation goes on for a while. Bueller, Hagan, and Grogan write questions for Amber to ask Scott, did you have a gun? Did you shoot her? Where's her body? And they listen and silently cheer her on. I said that I lost my wife. Yes, you did. I did, and yes. How did you lose her then, before she was lost? Explain that. There are different kinds of loss, Amber. Then explain your loss. I can't you now. Eventually, the conversation fizzles and drops out.
22:40While they wait, Hagen, the profiler, tells Amber what she's hearing. He lies even when he doesn't have to lie. He's lying about little things. Every time he says the phrase, my God, he's lying. He's even lying about lying. Scott calls back, and the conversation goes in circles. When it finally ends, the officers commend Amber for her performance, but they are no closer to finding Lacey. Amber Fry starts reading everything. She pages through old issues of the Modesto Bee, the local newspaper. She visits the website set up for Lacey Peterson every day, sometimes multiple times a day, and reads the outpouring of support from around the country for Lacey and her family.
23:23And through that reading, she finds Lacey Peterson's due date. It's February 10th, Amber's birthday. At this point, Bueller is telling her she has done enough. Every time Scott calls, Amber feels herself coming unglued. Bueller talks her down, but he's becoming worried about her. He suggests stopping the recordings and the ruse. But we haven't found Lacey, she says. I want to keep trying. On January 16th, Amber Fry's private life evaporates. The National Enquirer publishes photos of her and Scott Peterson together, Having gotten word of the story about to break the day before, Modesto police break the news to Lacey's family, who had been supporting Scott up until this point.
24:10Eight days later, exactly one month after Lacey Peterson went missing, Amber's name is broadcast out on the radio, and reporters are at her door within the hour. Police decide her best move is to make a statement and ask the world to leave her alone. As Amber heads to the press conference, Scott calls again. She does not answer. She enters a room packed with reporters standing shoulder to shoulder and speaks into a bank of microphones. I met Scott Peterson November 20th, 2002. I was introduced to him. I was told he was unmarried. Scott told me he was not married. We did have a romantic relationship.
24:54When I discovered he was involved in the Lacey Peterson disappearance case, I immediately contacted the Modesto Police Department. I am very sorry for Lacey's family and the pain that this has caused them. And I pray for her safe return as well. Thank you. Lacey's family also addresses the press on January 24th. Lacey's brother, Brent Rocha, says Scott has admitted to the affair exposed by the National Enquirer and that the family is no longer supporting him. While Amber's statement is being broadcast, Lacey's mom, Sharon Rocha, calls the precinct, hoping to catch her. She thanks Amber for stepping forward and says she would like to meet her.
25:48The next day, a friend of Lacey's drives Amber Frye to Sharon's home. Sharon says she's hoping to fill in some gaps as far as what happened between Amber and Scott. She asks a few questions about dates and timing and occasionally glances at a calendar on her desk. Meanwhile, Scott Peterson continues calling Amber. The day after her press conference, he calls to tell her how proud of her he is. I was so proud of you when you did that. It was amazing, just an amazing character. I pulled over and threw up when he pried. I was listening to the radio. It was so hard to hear. But it was just so amazing.
26:33Your strength. February 10th, Amber Frye's birthday. Amber receives several calls from Scott this day. That afternoon, he tells her to drive to Valley Children's Hospital in Fresno and look at a lavender bush beneath a particular street lamp. Hidden in the bush is a paper bag from Trader Joe's. Inside is a small silver box decorated with a moon and sun, a silver and amber necklace, a Nora Jones CD called Come Away With Me, and a packet of wildflower seeds. There is a note in his handwriting, quote, quote, these seeds as your life are soon to bloom. In the parking lot, Amber Fry sits with all of it in her lap and cries.
27:22There is another candlelight vigil that night in East La Loma Park, 96 miles north. It is for Connor Peterson, Scott and Lacey's son, who was due to be born this very day. A little more than a week later, on February 18th, police return to the Peterson house with a warrant. They pack up several bags of evidence and they impound Scott's pickup truck. Amber Fry is ready to be done with Scott Peterson. Detective Bueller agrees. She resolves to tell Scott the next time he calls. It doesn't take long.
28:22Amber sets down the phone and waits to feel relieved, but she doesn't. Amber later writes that she felt talking to him was keeping the line open to finding Lacey. Now, to protect herself and her daughter, that connection needs to be severed. She returns the recorder and the tapes to Bueller. Scott keeps calling and emailing Amber, but the messages become less frequent and eventually stop altogether. Two months later, on April 13, 2003, a couple discovers the body of a baby along the north shore of the San Francisco Bay near Richmond. It's tiny, but it is unmistakably the full-term body of a very small baby boy.
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29:06The next day, a woman out on a walk reports finding a female body to police. It's a gruesome and bizarre discovery. The body is missing its head, its hands, and its legs below the knees. It is badly decomposed, clothed only in a bra and motherhood-brand maternity pants, but little of them remains. The press beat the police to the scene. Here's one Sacramento television station breaking the news. Just this afternoon, a badly decomposed body was found near Point Isabel in Richmond, and last night, the body of a male fetus was found just a few miles away. Gloria Gomez joins us live from the scene with more on this developing story.
29:48Gloria? Paul, this could be a major break in the Lacey Peterson case. The woman washes up on the rocks directly east of Brooks Island, a nature preserve on the east side of the bay. That is near the area where Scott Peterson told police he had taken his fishing boat on Christmas Eve. The baby had come ashore about a mile away the day before. With no head to compare dental records, no hands to compare fingerprints, and no feet to check for an ankle tattoo, it is suspected but not certain that this is Lacey Peterson and her baby, Connor. Authorities must wait for DNA to confirm their identities.
30:29Amber Fry hears about the washed-up bodies in the bay and sobs. Then she writes a one-line email to Scott. Were those the bodies of Lacey and Connor? He does not reply. I'm Megan Kelly. Next time on MK Confidential. Christmas Eve, 2002, through two sets of eyes. First, the husband whose wife vanishes without a trace. Then, the police who search for her and soon question his every word.
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“MK Confidential” returns right in the thick of a new case: New Year’s Eve, 2002. A young mother gets a phone call from her new boyfriend, who’s celebrating at the Eiffel Tower, on the other side of the world. She knows he is not in Paris, his very pregnant wife is missing, and the man at the end of the line is the chief suspect. Her name is Amber Frey, and she is recording his every word.
Megyn Kelly traces Scott and Amber’s relationship to November 2022, when Scott charms a colleague at a work conference, and is set up on a blind date. Scott tells Amber he is single, and soon charms her, as well. Four weeks later, Laci Peterson vanishes. Within a week, Amber learns the truth about Scott, and goes to the police.
Amber agrees to record her phone calls with Scott, pretending to believe his stories about world travel as he calls her from the vigil for his missing wife. The conversations become invaluable as the days tick by, and Laci’s trail grows cold. By the time Laci’s body washes up on the shore of the San Francisco Bay, Scott Peterson has spent hours speaking into a microphone, as though nothing was wrong in his world. This is Episode 1 of the Laci Peterson story.
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