The Robinson-Twiggs DNA Evidence, and Assassination Culture, with Jack Posobiec, Sean Davis, and Sohrab Ahmari | Ep. 1355

30:18For the purposes of this hearing, I find that Agent Hull has identified Mr. Robinson. Again, this is only for the preliminary hearing. I mean, it is something to thank God we have, because I think about the Nancy Guthrie case where this poor woman's been stolen and, you know, is presumed dead at this point. And we have no idea who took her. There's not a person to point at. There's no this family is going to have to live likely, possibly at least forevermore without knowing. at least this man thanks to the parents as you point out is in police custody is facing justice whether you think he did it or he didn't he's getting his due process and the jury will be the final arbiters of his guilt or innocence but thank god thank god his parents when he they recognized him from the tape they called their son they demanded to see pictures of the rifle to see if it was still in his custody which it wasn't he claimed he'd been home sick that day and the day before, which the mother didn't believe.

31:18And then they talked to him directly about whether he had killed Charlie Kirk. And he told them he wanted to kill himself. There was obviously a bargain, a bargaining going on between them. They called that family friend who was a former sheriff's deputy. That man came over and what the parents reported was that he convinced Tyler Robinson to turn himself in and to do it at the police station so that the police didn't have to search his parents' home. You know, he pitched it to him as a way of protecting his family. This would be the honorable thing to do. And he did. And there's been testimony in this trial, Jack, that they did not know who the perpetrator was before Tyler Robinson contacted them and turned himself in, that he was the one who first made himself identifiable to them.

32:03Let's talk for a minute about the evidence. Has there been a moment in the court that you've found especially compelling one way or the other? Well, I think it's more of the process of the evidence that, you know, it, and they're, they're going through it in a very methodical, but very relentless manner where they walk you through. So we started with the, and you can see what they're doing chronologically speaking, where first they start with the officer who was working that day. He was on top of the hall of flags. He reported what he saw. Then they worked through the evidence from his perspective then they brought up the case agent now they're getting into the investigation of the cameras and what the cameras see and the cameras saw these objects okay these objects were later found what what was found on those objects okay dna with the dna matched and were there exclusions and then so we're going through all of that and it it's laborious it's it's grueling while you're especially when you're you know hearing this this two and a half hour argument over whether or not DNA science is real, like this filibuster that happened yesterday.

33:09But when you actually just look at the nuggets of evidence again and again and again, they're building their case and they are building the scaffolding of a very, very strong case against Tyler Robinson. One thing that just kind of popped in my head, and I know everyone keeps asking about this, you know, the Chick-fil-A and Agent Holt brought up that he got the Chick-fil-A beforehand. And, you know, on one hand, you think, how can someone just just eat Chick-fil-A before you go and do something like that? And my gut reaction was revulsion. But then my sort of, you know, prior intel officer side kicked in.

33:51I thought, wait a minute. If he purchased Chick-fil-A, then that's something you can corroborate. If he used a card or if he used cash, then you could go to that Chick-fil-A outlet or you could go to the credit card statement. And now you can begin the process of corroborating. Is that person that we see on video buying the Chick-fil-A at this time? Does that match up to a financial transaction? Same with the car. If he got gas, which I assume we're going to get very shortly, you know, cell phone metadata. data. It's very clear, by the way, that there was something that Agent Hull said that we tracked him to that area later in the day.

34:29And that's where they got that new ring camera footage, or I guess Nest camera footage of the Challenger driving up in the middle of the night. And reading between the lines, it was pretty clear they had checked his phone to be able to know to ask for that specific house at that specific time. So it seems to me that they're building a very multi-layered, multi-tiered case against him in a sense where, you know, you just mentioned Brian Koberger, where it seems like there's a lot more evidence in this case than there was against Koberger, because there you didn't have all the video, you didn't have the eyewitnesses, you didn't have family members and all of these other pieces.

35:08You had the cell phone, you had, I think, you know, a fingerprint, you know, on some sightings of the car. That was really it. Right. And that was that was pretty much it. Whereas this case, you've got a lot more to deal with. You certainly didn't have an alleged confession. And there, the most damning evidence against Skullberger was that knife sheath and his touch DNA being found on the sheath. But of course, had they gone to trial and there had been nothing else, they could have argued he went through the the gun store or the knife store. And he touched that. How can you prove that he was the one holding the knife sheath when the murders were committed?

35:44It was all the other evidence. And yes, I did notice as they released the longer video of who they say is Tyler Robinson coming back to campus with the jeans on now with the newfound limp, which it seems very clear. He's got something down the right leg of his pants, um, that it looks like there's a cell phone in his pocket. In fact, we froze the frame and have it here where we zoomed in on it. To me, it looks like obviously the outline of a cell phone. Do we have it? Can we put it on the board, please? Where it seems obvious that he not only had his cell phone, as every young person does, but that he was carrying it as he committed the crime because this is him coming back to allegedly commit the crime.

36:26This is right before. And so if he had that cell phone on him while he committed the crime, then they're going to know a lot from that phone. I've I agree, but I have also heard a theory posited that that might be the buttstock of the rifle. And yeah, I want that to what you're look that what you're looking at is, in fact, the buttstock of the rifle. And that's why he has that limp, because he's got the rifle sort of in between his pants and his shirt. And that's how he's concealing it. But it seems very clear that he's got a cell phone on him somewhere. mm-hmm and the the car too i mean in the alec murdoch case the car data and i don't know how recent his dodge challenger was but you know if you looked at my car right now which is a 2025 or 24 model it would tell you everything about me the car can reveal how fast you went where you went whether you slowed down um you know whether you sped up what buttons you were pressing they They can merge it with the cell phone now to see like whether you were on the cell phone while you were speeding.

37:33We've seen that being done in accidents. So both of those two things, neither of which is on the evidence list for this hearing because they don't need it. This isn't the full this isn't the real Magilla. This is just just got to show enough to show he probably did it. So the prosecution is not going to show all of their cards, though they're showing a lot. Let's talk about the DNA, because this made a bunch of headlines yesterday because they found the towel that the gun was wrapped in. They found the gun in the woods and they found it wrapped in a towel. And they also found a screwdriver on the roof of the Losey building from which they believe the shot was fired.

38:08And they had, the prosecution had a DNA expert testify about the DNA found on those items. And it was revealed for the first time that not only was Tyler Robinson's DNA on those items, but so was the DNA of Lance Twiggs, the trans furry roommate who we expected to testify by videotape again, either later today, they were hoping it would happen yesterday. So I'm hopeful it'll happen today. If not, then tomorrow we, we think, um, and people were running with a report that it was predominantly Lance twigs DNA on this towel and this screwdriver, which would be potentially a game changer in the case.

38:49That's not what was testified to here is what was testified to setting the record straight on some misinformation that's out there. Watch. You stated, I believe, that the minor contributor was less than 20 % and that it was actually 5%. The ratio was 5 % to 95%. For one of the samples, yes. Do you remember that? Yes. Does that mean the 5 % was from twigs and that 95 % is assumed from the Robinson? When I calculate the statistic, Twigs' DNA profile aligned with the 5 % contributor and Mr. Robinson's DNA profile aligned better with the 95 % contributor. Okay. Same question with regard to 8. I think you said the ratio was 11 % from the minor and 89 % from the major.

39:43Is that Twigs being the 11 % and Robinson being the 89 %? Yes. Twigs better aligned with that 11 percent contributor and Mr. Robinson better aligned with that 79 percent contributor. And just to correct myself, that was a defense witness. They they called their own forensic witness who had done examinations in this case because she wasn't going to be able to testify later. So she kind of came during the prosecution's case. Your thoughts on all that, Jack? Yeah. And I actually this is my notes from in the courtroom as well. And so item seven that they're talking about, if I have this correctly, is the towel.

40:23And then item eight is the screwdriver. So the major contributor, Tyler Robinson, is the 95 percent. The minor is 5 percent. That's the towel. And then 89 percent, 11 percent on the screwdriver. Now, the reason that so this was the FBI DNA tech out of Quantico. The reason that we're not hearing yet about any touch DNA that was found on the rifle was because that was sent to the ATF labs. That would have been a different lab, a different technician that would come forward to discuss that, which I believe we will be getting at some point as well. So we're going to have another one of these sort of DNA days.

41:05But this idea, of course, that they were roommates, had towels that had shared DNA from touch DNA or just towels that are in the same bathroom. That's something that's pretty common, I think. Screwdrivers as well, obvious reason that that would be a common piece of something that would be shared, a common item. And one thing that I did find that was interesting was that McBride, who was the prosecutor there, Mr. McBride, he's the star of the day as far as I'm concerned in terms of just his clarity and his ability to get the message across the same way he fought for one of the affidavits earlier regarding some of the turning point mission, that he pointed out that there's degradation potentially if something is left exposed to the elements.

41:55and it took me a second to realize to one I was why does he keep bringing up degradation then I realized oh because he's talking about the fact that one of these was left on a rooftop exposed to UVU it was a sunny day so excuse me exposed to UV light so it's a sunny day at UVU and then the other was left in a in a wooded area so even for several hours was exposed to the elements as well and it seemed to me that he was he was kind of working his way to lay the foundation to tie that together. Jack, something that's confused me about this case since we first started getting glimpses of screen grabs from the videos is what is, if you know, and it may not have been discussed yet, or you may not know, but what is the theory about how the gun was transported there and, and, and away from there?

42:46Because they show him returning to campus in the long pants, and it looks like he's got the long gun down the right leg, which is why he has the limp. But he has the backpack on him. And then we see him get onto the roof. We, assuming it's Tyler Robinson, as I say, see him get onto the roof and we're told he fires the fatal shot and then runs across the roof and has the gun still. And by the way, we believe the, we believe the screwdriver was necessary to assemble the gun. But if he had the gun down his pants, why would he need to assemble it on the rooftop. And then why, when he ran after the shooting, would the gun remain assembled, which it appeared to be as he jumped off the side, and then it was found assembled.

43:29That's my information in the woods. He didn't disassemble it or stuff it into a backpack. So do we understand anything about how the gun was or was not assembled, what the screwdriver was for and what he did with the gun? there's um there's a youtuber and i have to give a shout out to him named matt kester who's actually done some really really good reconstructions on this because he's been trying to answer that same question something that i uh certainly have thought about over the last 10 months and he put together a pretty compelling um i guess reconstruction where he took the two pieces of the Mauser, the stock and then the barrel, separated them.

44:14And he found, I guess, a friend who was pretty much the same build as Tyler Robinson and put the stock down one side of the pant leg and then the barrel down the other and said, look, if you disassemble this into the two major pieces, then so the barrel would have the scope on it, that it's actually concealable underneath the clothing without even needing to use the backpack. So the backpack could just be the other set of clothes. And then they showed as this individual was walking up and down the stairs or just walking back and forth, he had the exact same sort of stilted gait and limp that we see Tyler Robinson have, but he's still able to bend his knee, move up the stairs.

44:58So it may have been that the gun was disassembled. He gets up to the roof. And by the way, I've gone to the campus now and walked this very same area, the stairwell, gone up to the roof. Part of it's blocked off now, but got as close as we could to the area. It's very accessible. This is a campus that's built into the side of a hilly area there off of Utah Lake. And so there's stairwells and walkways all out, all open to the public. It's very, very easy to access this area. And so he He gets on the roof, then assembles the gun. So puts the two pieces back together of the rifle, uses the screwdriver, and it's very quick, kind of like field stripping.

45:40So very quick way to reassemble it. Only takes about 35 seconds and fires the shot. And then after firing the shot, drops the screwdriver or perhaps forgets that it's up there, presumably, then runs away with it still assembled. And we find it still assembled. So that's the best theory that I've seen on this and seems to fit the facts as they lay. We actually have some of that Matt Kester video demonstrating part of what you just said. We'll look at it now, SOT41. You remember that image of the gigantic cell phone sitting right here on the thigh? That's your stock. That explains why the leg motion cannot come forward because it's completely locked in.

46:24and if you see, I'll put the video or the image up on the screen in the photo, you can start to see an outline of the stock. This has solved the riddle that has been bugging me the whole time about the bulk of the stock. Essentially, I believe now with 90 something percent certainty that the stock was carried this way and the barrel was carried on the side. Now, whether or not the scope came off or not, that's an item for debate and we can talk about the ramifications of that but I think with certainty, you're fair, you can't be certain about anything, but I think as close as we can be to certain, this is how this was carried.

47:09That's why I think he hooked underneath his armpit. Kept his arms straight down, because if you see when he walks, he doesn't have his hands in pockets, they're out. Keep your hands out. All right, now walk towards me. His model walking. Or walk that way.

47:35yeah it's a similar gate it's it looks like somebody who's lost the full use of their right leg which is how tyler yeah i find that i find it very compelling i find it very compelling yeah well and on top of that there's been a debate about whether it would have required some special skill by Tyler Robinson to get onto the roof. That too seems like it was very easy. Brian Enten reporting for News Nation, he went and did it and filmed himself doing it. And here's that video. The courtyard where the shooting happened is right back there. But this is all, you know, public area where people walk around.

48:13If you just go up these stairs right here, I'm going to walk up the stairs. You're suddenly up here. This is a walkway here, okay? So you can get between buildings here. And on this side, it's now gated off. This was not gated off before the Charlie Kirk assassination, but it is now gated off. Basically what investigators say Tyler Robinson did is this gate wasn't here, so he just walked right over to that short little gate that you see over there, that more permanent gate. And then all you had to do is just go right on top of that, which would anybody could do. It would just take a second and then walk out on the roof.

48:58And right over there on the edge would be a direct view, just the perfect line of sight to where Charlie Kirk was speaking. So very easy. And the only acrobatics required would have been jumping off the roof and running. And we've all seen that video with our own eyes. Clearly, it wasn't much of a challenge. No, it wasn't. And we just got to see Brian the other day, and I thanked him for all the work that he's been doing out here. He's been here every day as well, doing his reporting. And we went as well. I went with my team to that same area and did the walkthrough. And in fact, one piece that I guess I would add is that so we started right where Charlie's tent was and then just walked from the tent all the way back to the sniper perch.

49:50And I would say we made it there in about five minutes. This is a very small area. And I think it's something that on video you just don't quite see how small it is and how compact of an area it is. It's sort of this fishbowl amphitheater. And so, you know, while you were going through and indicating the different buildings, the low sea center, the Sorensen, it's all connected. All the buildings are interconnected. And again, it's just very small. So the idea that it would be hard to get up there is, you know, it's just not true. It just doesn't comport with the facts. This is a very small area.

50:26It's very easy to get up there. And it's designed to be able to have access to those roofs and those walkways. and of course we have only to ask ourselves why they didn't think of that you know why the security didn't plan for that we were told that the the local police had assured the turning point security that they were covering it um they weren't they didn't and and they have only regrets now uh as when they think about that security plan jack we'll check back in with you as this this thing goes on. Thanks so much for being there and for coming on today. Thank you so much, Megan. I really appreciate it.

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53:07Just want to spend a little bit more time on this Tyler Robinson hearing because this all leads to the obvious question that I raised right before we said goodbye to Jack, which is why wasn't the roof covered? Why wasn't the roof being protected and patrolled? Why 14 months after Butler was Charlie so exposed like a sitting duck down below? And we do know some of the answers around that. I have spoken to Turning Point myself directly. I did right after Charlie was killed. And they were asking those same questions. and they were told by Charlie's security team that the UVU cops said they had it, that the UVU cops said that they would be patrolling the rooftop.

53:58And we heard testimony to that effect exactly from the head of Charlie's security team at Turning Point USA, a man named Brian Harpool, who went on with Sean Ryan and showed the text exchanges between himself and the chief of the UVU police force, according to Harpool. And here is what Brian Harpool told Sean Ryan. Here's how him describing it. We have some correspondence with the chief of the school on that day, on Monday before Charlie was killed. And why this hadn't come out and why he won't stand up like a man and admit this, I don't know. But he's watching a bunch of men lose their careers, and he's okay with it.

54:53On Monday before, this correspondence went to Chief Long. Hello, Chief Long. We received this message today from the student group. There is a student roof access pretty close to where CK will be set up at the Utah Valley. The Sorensen Center has a couple of staircases that go up to walkways on the roofs. He comes back and for edification, the Sorensen Center was the building in front of the Lucy center. And so he comes back and says, you want access to the roof. And came back and said, I was told students have access above us. If this is true, it would be nice to either have it controlled access or allow one of my guys to be there as well, if possible.

55:46He comes back and his last correspondence was, I got you covered.

55:57What else am I to do? When a command level person from an accredited police department says, I've got this area. Jeez. Have you been in con? Who was that? That was the chief of police for the UVU police department. We've called him. He's never called us back. Holy shit. I mean, it's chilling. And I'd love to hear from that man directly. I'm sure he sleeps very poorly at night, asking himself why he didn't have it covered. After all, there's a separate question of whether that excused Brian Harpool and the the Turning Point security team, from making sure it was covered. Because they ultimately were responsible for Charlie's security.

56:54My own view on it, having met a bunch of those guys, I don't think I've met him, is that any one of them would have happily given their life to protect Charlie. Absolutely would have given their life in a heartbeat to protect Charlie. I think this guy trusted the wrong group of people and I don't know you know I've asked various members of my own security team about this sound but it's been out there for months um just you know shooting the breeze saying what did you make of that after the interview came out like do you think that's an okay stance do you think he's got a point and I have to tell you I have yet to find the security person who thinks you know what am I to do when the guy says he's got it covered pretty much everybody and maybe it's just 2020 hindsight says, no, you make sure when you're the one getting paid to protect the principal, it's your job to make sure everything is covered and you follow up and you make sure in 14 months after Butler, you make super sure about the roofs.

58:00And I believe that. I believe that because the first question virtually all of us asked after Charlie was killed was how could how could he be killed from the roof 14 months after Butler? How how could the roof be left unprotected? you know and it looks like he did think of it the team did think of it and they trusted where they shouldn't have that's how it looks to me um i'm not an expert not a security expert i just know what i saw and it's heartbreaking because again these guys are in the business of protection and i know they loved charlie i know they did and i know i saw them days after this happened and not again, not him again, but the guys I saw were absolutely distraught over what had happened to him.

58:45So it's just so unfortunate. And look, it's, it's, it's not about, you know, that Charlie's death was caused by his killer, by his killer, but anybody who's ever been exposed to a security threat had questions about how he was so exposed, you know, myself included as his friend and as somebody who has her own security threats. And Charlie and I had spoken about the security threats that we were facing. So it's just, it's chilling to me that one did come to fruition in his life. I keep thinking about Erica telling me about how he didn't sleep well the night before. And she said he got up and Charlie, so Charlie, he got a snack.

59:26She said he had a banana and olives. Charlie was so wholesome. He was so wholesome. At Charlie's Presidential Medal of Freedom ceremony, she talked about how Charlie would only have ice cream, I think she said twice a year, it was either once a year or twice a year, but the one, I think once was on his birthday and the other time was on the 4th of July. He would allow himself some ice cream. He was just so wholesome. He was so committed to wellness, mental, spiritual, emotional, and physical. and you do wonder whether he had some sort of a premonition before that event that you know his wellness was in jeopardy we'll continue to follow it today we expect in two hours now um the hearing will resume out in provo utah and we do believe though it's not guaranteed that the lance twigs video testimony will happen today as a reminder we are streaming the whole thing live on our YouTube channel, youtube.com slash Megan Kelly.

1:00:27So you can watch it there and rest assured if that happens, or no matter what happens, we will have full coverage of the hearing and what happens this afternoon on our regular program tomorrow, as well as a deep dive on this Lance Twiggs that we've been working on for a while. In the meantime, I want to continue on and bring in our panel joining us today. We've got a lot of other news. We've got Graham Plattner, whose political campaign is continuing its downward spiral. Reports now are that he could be dropping out at any moment. Expect it. And by the way, the ceasefire between the U.S. and Iran, it's over, at least according to President Trump.

1:01:03He's now calling the Iranians sick people and liars and threatening more bombing. So it's not great. Here to break it all down is Sean Davis. He's CEO and co-founder of The Federalist. And Sarabh Amari is here as well, the U.S. editor for UnHerd. Sean, Sarabh, welcome back. Great to have you guys. Good to be here. You know, I know you guys have been covering to some extent what's happening out in Provo. And Sean, that is, it's like, the whole thing is just so chilling. You know, it's like, we all cover legal cases all the time. We cover crime. And this one is just, it just has so many different layers to it because it was our friend.

1:01:43It was Charlie. Everyone knew him. Even the audience listening now felt very much like they knew him. He was a regular guest on this program. And it is tough to get immediately past questions like, why wasn't the roof patrolled? You know, it's not to take anything away from the actual killer, but it's just, you know, conservatives are being killed and they're being threatened. And these crazy leftists are celebrating it. And you think about the next one and the next one after that and this assassination culture that's taking too many of ours. And, you know, you don't want to see it take anybody, but how we shore up the protection around our public figures like Charlie, who was literally irreplaceable, is obviously on the mind of many.

1:02:30So your thoughts on all of it. Yeah. And I'm so glad you brought that up because I feel like it's gotten lost in a lot of the, you know, examining all the details in the trial and everything. So Robert and I were We're talking about this off camera before the show and, you know, talking about threats we have to deal with. And to me, it's absolutely unconscionable. And it's not talked about nearly enough that if you are a Christian, if you are conservative or Republican, you walk out your door every day wondering if someone's going to try and kill you. You walk out the door every day. You go to an event and you wonder if someone's going to try and kill you and kill your family.

1:03:03You talked about it yourself. You have a security team. We all have security teams. We all have to be thinking through every last little thing. We have to micromanage every aspect of our security. We have to start asking questions that no one should have to ask about security at hotels or conferences or things like that. I never hear this conversation among people on the left anymore. They are not walking around worrying if somebody who's hopped up on hormones and trans surgery is going to try and kill them. This seems to be a threat that is completely isolated to those of us on the right. And thank you for bringing it up because it's totally unacceptable.

1:03:41And yet it's been utterly normalized. I don't know how we get back from it. But you talked about Butler. They tried to kill Trump. They killed Charlie. Instead of everyone getting together after that and saying, hey, we have a real problem with political violence on the left in this country. Everyone's devolved down into conspiracy theories on the far right. Oh, Tyler didn't do it. This country did it. Meanwhile, on the left, they tell us that, oh, actually, it was a right winger who did it and it's good that it happened. This is a horrible environment that we are in politically right now where these are the terms of conversation and these are the things we're talking about.

1:04:16It's an utter tragedy. And what I find so frustrating, disheartening is I don't know where we go from here. I don't know how we get back to where we can just disagree over things without wishing everyone who disagreed with us got killed or is dead. yes yes yes yes i can't tell you the number of conversations i've had over the past year before that too but especially since charlie as the death threats have escalated exponentially about fortifying every single area of our lives every single area any any place i go any place i'm going to be certainly any place we've announced publicly just in case somebody wants to kill me for my opinions right like that's what we're talking about right here that's what charlie's issue was we're not public officials.

1:04:59We haven't run for office. We're not elected leaders. I'm not saying that makes it better, but it's not a new thought that like a president might be the subject of an assassination attempt. But we're podcasters. You know, we're media. We're journalists. This is so bizarre. So why would somebody want to kill you, Sean Davis, or you, Sir Rob Amari, or me, Megyn Kelly, for our opinions? That's why for our opinions. We've crossed over to a truly bizarrely dangerous way of living where this is just accepted. And 90 % of journalists do not have the resources to even employ a security team. Most journalists don't make a lot of money.

1:05:42That would be an impossibility to surround themselves with the appropriate team. Even Charlie, he had a team because he was with Turning Point, but it's a non-profit, Sorap. You know, it's like there were limits. Even I was mistaken to think that Charlie had a bulletproof vest on. Even when I went out and I hosted his show with the Turning Point crew, I sat there with them. They were the ones who told me Charlie was not wearing a bulletproof vest. He was relying on that team to protect him. And even they couldn't give him presidential level protection because he's he was a civilian. You know, he was one of us.

1:06:15Yeah, the failure here, which you highlighted, is the fact that I don't think the TPUSA security team, because when you go to a police chief and you say, hey, like we're concerned about this particular area and he says, I've got you covered. That's pretty definitive. And as you said, Megan, if I were in the shoes of his security team, I would go to bank with that reliably. So here's a, you know, a credible police officer saying, don't worry, I've got that. And that ends up being the precisely the area from which the assassin operated. I do think so. That's a kind of failure of just just the idiocy.

1:06:55Right. But it's a long way from that to some of the conspiracy theories that were circulated on the hard right, where it was like the Egyptian and Israeli governments and all this stuff. Right. Like we, yeah, the threats that we face, although I have to say I don't have a security team, but are much more banal. And it's this kind, there's this specific type of what I call trans involved lefty crazy person. And he, you know, Tyler Robinson, the alleged assassin fit that profile. There were others. There was the sort of school shooter, Catholic school in Wisconsin. I don't know if you guys remember that case.

1:07:35Less, less remembered, of course. But yes, that's that's really the profile. Like a devil. That's really the profile. Often there is marijuana. Leftist. Yeah. Marijuana used a combination of marijuana use sort of strange sexual attractions and ideology. And so I think that's a more productive area for the right to talk about than, you know, conspiracy theories, to be honest. well you know what i was saying after charlie died and i think everyone went a little crazy i just think like watching our friend get assassinated really did a number on many people i just like i i haven't felt totally myself since you know i feel like i've been a little off since and i can see it in a lot of friends but i think many people reverted to their priors you know Like people who had been openly fighting with Israel and Israel defenders really wanted to investigate that angle because Charlie was drifting from the Israeli cause, was expressing privately in group chats his consternation with Jewish donors who were leaning on him not to abandon Israel, not to question Israel to Masolei, right?

1:08:50So they revert to their priors. You know, we I think I speak for all three of us have done a lot of coverage on the radical trans TIFAs out there who have all who start with the screw loose and then in some cases add drugs to it or like obsessive gaming, which communities can be actually disturbing. or you have layer in the furry thing, which actually is also very sick. And we've seen that erupt in violence, not to mention SSRIs, which become a common thread in a lot of these. And who do they take game at? People like us, people like Charlie. So it's like, I'm not, I'm not surprised at all. You know, I mean, the day after Charlie was murdered, that's exactly where I went.

1:09:32I thought it was over the trans stands. And I went on the air and said, just so you know, a man cannot become a woman. A woman cannot become a man. There's no such thing as a trans child, you know, and said, you can't stop all of us. Like, well, if this is what this is, is this is who killed him. You can't stop all of it. I just think people reverted to their priors because I don't know, we're just getting used to this leftist violence. And so we see through it what, what we want to see through it, Sean. Yeah. So I've spent probably, I think the last 14 years in investigative journalism. Before that, I was a chief investigator on the Hill for Tom Coburn, who is just a renowned investigator of waste and fraud.

1:10:13And there's a thing you learn to do when you're investigating, is that you always kind of have to start with a hypothesis. You have an idea in your head of what happened. And then from there, you have to look at all the facts and you ask yourself, do all these facts align with this hypothesis I have? And you know what, sometimes they add up perfectly and you're like, okay, I nailed it. This is what happened. And then sometimes they don't. And it takes time and wisdom and discernment and experience to notice when the facts don't quite line up to be able to tell yourself, okay, that original hypothesis I had, I don't think that's correct.

1:10:50So what is actually able to explain all these known facts? What's the thread that runs through all of them? And what's the story that aligns with all of them. And the one in this one is not Israel or Egypt or helicopters or planes or exploding microphones. It's that we have an utter epidemic of transgender terroristic violence in this country. This wasn't the first time it happened. We have scores of examples. We had a woman who decided she was a boy go and shoot up a bunch of third graders at a Christian school and Nashville. It happened in Minnesota. It happened in Wisconsin. It is not a big leap to be like, oh, this guy whose DNA is on everything.

1:11:33The guy whose text messages were everywhere. The guy who's, he's accounted for all over the campus. His parents recognized him. They turned him in. They confessed it. They have all of it in black and white. He was angry over Charlie's belief that boys can't become girls and girls can't become boys. This isn't a particularly difficult case. This isn't something where we're having to go plumb the depths of the Internet and look at this document and that document to figure out what's going on. The dots basically connect themselves. It's not a revolutionary theory. This is yet one more example of left-wing transgender terroristic violence.

1:12:10It has to stop. We have to crack down on it. One thing that I've been frustrated by is that we have not seen Antifa be dragged from their homes, their bank accounts raided, their assets frozen and liquidated, because this is a terrorist movement, is a demonic, violent, terroristic, ideological movement that has been very open about its aims. And we can't just sit by and wait for one more to happen and then put that person in jail. This is something we actually have to tackle head on. I had hoped it would have happened immediately after Charlie was assassinated, and it wasn't, but it's never too late to start.

1:12:44and i just want to say for the record you you're fine criticizing israel you have not been some shill for israel nor have i obviously this whole year has been very tumultuous because i've refused to do that and i'm with you i i've i've been very open-minded to if israel controlled tyler robinson and made him a patsy what the fuck do i know whether our government or another does that to people and uses them i'm not i'm open-minded to that the jfk there's a big whole theory about that CIA and all that. I get it. I totally get it. But at some point when we're in court, we need to see some proof that he was controlled, that there was an intervention somehow in his life.

1:13:24Like we do need some evidence. And by the way, even if that's somehow lurking out there, we just haven't found it yet. Today's task is to figure out whether Tyler Robinson pulled the trigger. That is today's task. And the evidence that he did is overwhelming. It's overwhelming. I mean, it's video. It's digital. There are notes. There are pictures. There are email correspondence, text messages. There's a witness who's going to take the stand effectively by video, his lover, who we believe is going to point the finger squarely at him and talk of his confession. His parents, we understand at trial, are going to be forced if they don't volunteer to talk about how they were on the receiving end of what has been described as a confession.

1:14:07I actually just pulled that file right here because people don't believe that Tyler Robinson did confess to his parents. They don't believe that that that they heard anything from him. Here is from the criminal information filed against him. As they discussed the situation, his parents with Tyler Robinson implied that he was the shooter and stated that he couldn't go to jail and just wanted to end it. When asked why he did it, Robinson explained to his parents there is too much evil and that Charlie Kirk spreads too much hate. They talked about Robinson turning himself in and convinced Robinson to speak with a family friend who's a retired deputy sheriff.

1:14:42At Robinson's father's request, the family friend met with Robinson and his parents and convinced Robinson to turn himself in. The family friend spoke to police, reported telling Robinson that it would be best if he brought all the evidence with him to the sheriff's office to avoid police having to search his parents home. The family friend also asked Robinson if he had any clothes that were related to what he did. Robinson replied that he had disposed of the clothes in different areas. And then he went in and did exactly that, turned himself in. That is what's been alleged. That is where the proof is going to take us.

1:15:15If there's more beyond it, I await the proof of it. I mean, I, like you, I'm a lawyer. I want proof. I want facts. I want admissible evidence that I can then consider as a juror. and that's what I've been doing over the course of this preliminary hearing and it's taking me in one direction right now and that is that this is the trigger man they have the right person okay let's keep going the Graham Plattner implosion his has been nothing short of epic epic so rap I mean this guy he had red flags all over him from the beginning and I get why the Democrats wanted to look past them you know he's they finally found somebody who seemed like a real man, like like not like the Tim Walls fake man with the camo, you know, like man's man.

1:16:03And they thought, OK, this is this is it. This is what the right wing has been saying we need to do if we want to win in places like Maine. And they just had willful blindness about the fact that it should be somebody who can wear camo credibly, but also doesn't have 25 other problematic allegations around him. And only when they had a leftist come out and say, I love his politics. my my adherence to them is the reason it took me this long to come out and tell the world he allegedly raped me. Did they finally jump ship? And we are now hearing as we sit here at 123 p.m. Eastern that it's a matter of moments before we get the pre-taped video from Graham Plattner dropping out of this Senate race.

1:16:45So what do you make of how we got here and where we are? So I have two thoughts. The first is that, look, after a while, as you said, Megan, once the allegations and different red flags start to pile up, the totality of them becomes hard to resist, right, in terms of how to deal with this, right? So like if it were just this allegation, if it were just the other one, if it were just the kind of questionable tattoo, if it were just the fact that he described himself as a communist on on Reddit forums, if it were just the fact that he said that he likes he likes to think of himself as raping, you know, home intruders, not to enjoy it, but as an act of dominance.

1:17:31Like any one of those things that you could sort of contextualize and deal with. But the totality, you know, makes it you begin to think, look, this is this is the higher chamber of our legislative branch. And it could be a problem. Could be a problem. That said, I will say, when we discussed it the last time I was on with Sean and Plattner was on the agenda, I'm deeply troubled by the larger sort of sexual culture of which I would argue both he and his partners are victims in various ways, where there are no guardrails except after the fact accusations that are very hard to refute. There was no police report at the time.

1:18:14I think it's worth watching Mika Brzezinski's questioning on Morning Joe of the political reporter. She does a very forensic job. And yes, lots of people said that they wish she had done the same thing with Christine Blasey Ford. And that's a fair point. Nevertheless, it's worth watching because it's a it's a rare case where she like puts on her journalist hat and becomes very aggressive and questioning. And it's worth watching that because even this set of allegations, it look, it's bad, but it's not. There are issues. You know, there's there's talk of Instagram messages in which she reportedly confronted him, the new accuser or the more recent one about like his behavior that night.

1:18:57And then the journalist is pressed, like, did you see these? And she's and the journalist says, no, you know, she couldn't find a record of them. She said she deleted them all. Right. Again, perfectly plausible. But, you know, when you're talking about a an allegation that can not only derail someone's campaign, but essentially ruin their life, I think the evidentiary standard has to be high. Right. And so I have my discomfort with the kind of larger sexual and sort of evidentiary culture that's leading to this. However, to go back to my initial point, again, if it were just the one thing, I would be a Bram Plattner bitter ender.

1:19:38But because it's not and because there are so many other character red flags and this is the United States Senate, you know, I think his candidacy becomes unsustainable. I got you. I totally understand. I think you're in a very reasonable place. I mean, I confess that I saw Lindsay Fifield, who is the woman who they did feature, who the three of us discussed when this hit in The New York Times. She's a conservative and she dated Graham Plattner. Obviously, you know, her politics didn't make her not want to date him. So clearly they're not making her want to sink him now. But many of the critics of that New York Times article that first espoused some of his female problems, went out, dismissed her because she's a conservative.

1:20:21Oh, she's a conservative operative. But she's out there with Jake Tapper now, and she's talking about Graham Plattner. I don't know if we actually have this one, but she's talking about how he allegedly would take off the condom, forgive the graphic descriptions here, but like right before and like surreptitiously remove the condom. And I'm thinking, and then I'm like, well, that's not great. I mean, that's, you know, you do need consent. But then she says repeatedly, maybe six times. And I get myself, okay, if this is important to you, after your partner does this to you once, you're either out or, you know, like it's very strange to come back all this time later, years later, and for the three of us, you know, Sean Davis of the Federalist, Saurabh Amari of Unheard and Megan Kelly of the MK Show to be litigating whether he took the condom off or not and how many times it was and was there implied consent because she'd let him get away with it times one, two, three, four and five.

1:21:25So on six, like, where are we that we're now evaluating that stuff and assessing who belongs in the U.S. Senate? And I know it's not my turn, but again, how is he supposed to refute that? Like, it's the kind of thing where it's so he said, she said. years later, right? And they both are based on, they both say these are based on recollections or compilations of memories and so on. It's impossible to refute. And so again, as a father of a boy, I want to hold him accountable. And it certainly, clearly, it doesn't belong in the Senate, right? The totality of the accusations is too much. But at the same time, the entire sort of culture we've built in which this sort of accusation can derail a life and a career needs to be reconsidered.

1:22:16It won't be in the context of Graham Plattner, but it's a larger like national and cultural project we need to have. It involves parents, it involves government, it involves pastors and so on. It just, as you can tell, I get kind of angry about this kind of, where it's like he's supposed to refute the condom allegations 12 years later. Come on. Come on. How? I know. Like how? And even with this woman, this latest accuser who's come forward to say that he went into her home, you know, she says she talks about it. She doesn't say he raped me. I told him no. And he forced me. She says something like he's he's violated the language of consent repeatedly.

1:23:03It's like consensually careless is the language she used. Yeah. Consensually care. Like, what does that mean? I, you know, I get it. He seems like a scumbag. I'm not going to lie. I have no problem with him getting booted as the Democratic nominee for Senate. None whatsoever. But I share some of your same concerns. John, what do you make of it? Yeah. To me, it's just like a story that's a clown car of terrible judgment involving every single person. And I'm going to apologize for coming across as the prude here. But we actually have this amazing institution in America. I call it marriage. And within marriage, you know, sex is normal.

1:23:41That's what it's designed for. You can do things and you don't have to worry about being accused of rape or non-consent. And I think when people go down this path, when they're being promiscuous, when, you know, they're with a guy like Graham Plattner, who's obviously a dirtbag that they've had a longtime sexual relationship with. Bad things happen there. OK, so I'm not trying to be judgmental. I'm trying to tell people that when you go down that road, you are setting yourself up for bad outcomes. Graham Plattner, you're going to be accused of rape later. The women who are now talking about this stuff publicly, you had to go through that.

1:24:18Number one, now you're deciding to talk about it publicly. So like your husbands get to learn all about it now. I bet that's super fun for them. It's in the news, so your kids are going to read about it one day. Does anyone think that everything that happened here has been good for anyone involved? No. They all made terrible decisions. Sleeping with Graham Plattner, bad decision. Being promiscuous before marriage or ever, bad decision. Talking in great detail about your sex life to the New York Times, bad decision. Telling Jake Tapper about condom use in your sex life, that's a bad decision. It's just terrible judgment all the way around.

1:24:56And by the way, Democrat voters, you voted for this guy knowing what was going on, that he had a Nazi tattoo and that he got a little handsy and maybe, you know, kind of rapey and you voted for him anyway. I hate everyone in this story. Everyone is an idiot. Everyone has terrible judgment. And can we just go back to all making good decisions that we all know are good? Is that so hard? Apparently it is. All I can think about is Eric Swalwell and the women who came forward against him who were like, and he date rape drugged me and then raped me. And then I called him a year later and asked him if he wanted to get drinks.

1:25:32But I'm I'm definitely a victim. I'm really sad about my victimhood. But it's like and then I did it again a year later. But I'm telling you, he gave me a date rape drug and raped me. And that should mean he it's like, I'm sorry. but what person gets back together with her alleged druggist rapist and just, you know, because he could write me a recommendation. Like I, I have a really hard time swallowing that whole thing. Uh, not that swell while it's not a dirtbag he is, but in any event, that's where we are. He's leaving the race. What's going to happen there? Is this, is this good for Republicans because a flawed candidate is now exiting Sean, or is this bad for Republicans?

1:26:13No reverse that. Is it good for Republicans because a flawed candidate is exiting the Dem race and they can replace him with somebody better who could more easily take down Susan Collins? Or is it is it is it good for Republicans because scandal? They're a hot mess. Whoever comes in now has a short runway. And then there's to to to her credit in this context, plain old boring Susan Collins on the other end. Yeah, I've got bad news for Democrats here in that you we were never going to beat Susan Collins anyway. So like they've gone through this whole ridiculous charade with this idiot who wasn't going to beat her, even if he wasn't a total freak show.

1:26:52He wasn't going to beat her if he was awesome. So it's just like this voluntary seppuku that the Democrat Party has put them through. You know, in the long run, it's probably better for Republicans to see this total CF going on with them. They can't do anything right. Now they're going to overrule their own primary voters and airdrop someone in that they didn't want, which is exactly what they did when they put Biden aside, even though everyone knew he was a vegetable and then installed Kamala. So, like, yes, yeah, long run, it probably helps Republicans. But Democrats, I know maybe it's actually good news for them.

1:27:24It doesn't matter what you're going to do. She's going to win anyway. So God bless and have fun. So Sean is on a roll. You guys both are on a roll today. She brought the heat today. I appreciate it. they are looking at this guy to replace Graham Plattner, who's got his own issues, according to what was it, progressive democracy or progressive victory. This other guy who they're looking at has some alleged history of throwing a bottle at a woman and hitting her. So like they're struggling to find somebody who they could really sell. I they are facing a short runway. And today's The Daily podcast from The New York Times was all about what what Sean just said.

1:28:07They're worried on Team Blue about the fact that it was grassroots. It was grassroots. The lie they told us about Kamala and that switcheroo didn't stick and that they won't be able to get away with that twice. Well, luckily in Texas, they're they're running a former vegan who believes God is non-binary. so that I mean, this is not a vegan. He put out a picture of him eating a big wing. I said former. But yeah, look, I mean, he's a vegan. You know, look, this is a this is an easy year for for Democrats. And that's what we were told. Right. Inflation is high. There's an unpopular quasi war afoot in the Middle East.

1:28:52And also just generally voters tend to punish the incumbent party at midterms. So like, so easy to just run like normal nominees, like how hard is it to find someone for Texas? I'm talking about James Del Rico, who doesn't have crazy heterodox views as a Christian, right? In Maine, I think, in all fairness, and I say this is a matter of equity, I do. I'm not a Democrat, but if I were, I would say Graham Plattner should be allowed kind of pretty exclusive king making authority because he won so overwhelmingly in the primary. So to like for the for the local Republican, sorry, for the local Democratic Party to sort of parachute their own choice in someone who has within the spectrum of the left views that are completely contrary to Plattner's.

1:29:46I think that's somehow worse than running Plattner as as as flawed and damaged as he is. So that's I think I think that's the general point is that, you know, and if I were on his team, I would say like, yeah, you know, you want to you want to make it painless. like there has to be serious consultations. But also, I think from a small d democratic matter, the guy did win overwhelmingly. And much of it was out there when voters went to the to the to the polls and chose him anyway as the nominee. So virtually all of it, virtually all of it. That's right. That's right. So let him like let him have his let him have his say.

1:30:22Yeah, because they're now they're warring his team wants to say and who the replacement would be. And the party's like, F you, you're you're too rapey to use your word, Sean, that to to be involved. The guy who I mentioned who allegedly has some some accusation of throwing a bottle at a woman and hitting her is Troy Jackson. He's a logger by trade and a former state senator who lost last month's Democratic primary for Maine governor. And he submitted a filing with the Federal Election Commission on Tuesday, setting up an, quote, exploratory committee to replace Plattner. So there they certainly seem to be looking at this guy, Troy Jackson.

1:31:01But I can't imagine why they'd want to replace one who's got a woman problem with another who's got a woman problem. I guess it's just going to be fun to watch how they handle this problem because it's their problem. For once, it's their problem and not about a Republican behaving badly with women or otherwise. OK, there's more to discuss, including Carmelo Anthony, who's just filed an appeal and is asking for the judge who oversaw his case to be removed. This guy would normally handle any post-conviction motions, not the appeal that's going to go up to the appellate court, but we'll explain why they're trying to get this guy bounced off of the case altogether.

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1:35:22I think it's over I don't want to deal with them anymore They're scum You know what scum is? They're scum They're sick people They're led by sick people And they're vicious, violent people And if they had a nuclear weapon They'd use it As far as I'm concerned, it's over I'll speak to our negotiators. They want to negotiate. They're good people. Steve Whitcoff, Jared Kushner. But they have to come back to me. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a waste of time dealing with them. They're liars. We make a deal. And if I make a deal with him, we have a deal. And he goes out, he talks. We make a deal.

1:35:58Everyone's agreed. No nuclear weapon. We make a deal. They go outside, talk to the press. They say, we never even talked about it. There's something wrong with them. They're cuckoo. As far as I'm concerned, it's over. President Trump on Iran and the ceasefire, as you heard, now being over. Basically, what happened was, you know, the strait was supposed to be open. They bombed three ships in the Strait of Hormuz because they didn't like the route it was taking closer to Amman. I don't who cares. They bombed three ships. Trump got pissed. He dropped bombs on them. then they dropped bombs as they had been during the war on our military bases in Bahrain and Kuwait.

1:36:39And now Trump's angry. And you heard him there saying they're cuckoo. They're they're crazy. I can't deal with these people. The ceasefire is over and there may be more bombs coming their way now, which is not great. And I'm back to are we are we back in the escalation trap, Sean Davis? like, where does this go? Because this is really not great. And our pals are more neocon hawkish pals over on Fox and people at CNN, too. I mean, salivating this morning. They're so excited that this thing may be getting rejiggered back into action. Yeah. Wow. They are cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. It's the whole situation is good.

1:37:19Thank you. It's just kind of absurd. But I don't think we are on this permanent escalation ladder, as the foreign policy dorks might say, because Iran can't really escalate beyond taking pot shots. I'm also not even sure the people who he was negotiating with may even be aware of it. I don't think we have a good, full understanding of command and control over there. We killed so many of their leaders. Was this a directive from the central government? Are these people factions within the Iranian military who just want the war to go on because it strengthens their hand? I have no idea. But this is kind of like the maximum of what Iran is able to do.

1:38:02And I think it's especially interesting. Why do you say that? Why can't they just close the strait again like they did before? And that's and put us back into that same economic pain that led us to want to deal in the first place. They may be able to try that. But what's interesting here, I think, is where Trump is and what he's doing this week. So he is in Turkey. He's meeting with NATO. The Strait of Hormuz is not something that's particularly essential for America. We don't get most of our oil through there, but Europe does. And NATO exists to protect Europe. It doesn't really exist to protect the United States.

1:38:35And so the fact that this is kind of bubbling up now, it strikes me as a largely European problem, that this is a problem that NATO and Europe are going to need to solve. We caused it, but they have to fix it. Honestly, I'm fine with that. I got to be honest. I it's like the pottery barn thing. Like I went in, I handled stuff. I broke the stuff. If I got out of the store and I'm already on the subway home, does it have to be my problem? I kind of share that view. I've got to be honest, like, sorry, we broke it. But we did actually bomb a lot of things in there that will wind up potentially protecting Europe in some way, I guess.

1:39:10So, Rob, is the argument. I don't know. What do you think of all this? I think the Iranians are overplaying a good hand, right? They had this capacity, which they didn't even weren't fully aware of it, which is to choke this global energy point. Unfortunately, because commodity markets are global and they're sort of oil is fungible. If you squeeze supply at one point, you do get pain in the American consumer as well as actually is reflected in inflation numbers here. And at the gas prices during the kind of peak of the war. But be that as it may, like they recognize they have this capacity, but they're now overplaying their hand.

1:39:48They want full control over the Strait of Hormuz. And, you know, the memorandum of understanding does allow them to have a say over it. But if there are disputes, there are supposed to be mechanisms for resolving it that don't involve just firing at civilian ships and asking questions later. You know, I joined the vice president as a reporter on his negotiations in Switzerland, and he touted this kind of communication link that was supposed to emerge between the United States and Iran so that they could de-escalate things. And I think Vance is right here. He says he has tweeted since then, like, they know they can pick up a phone if they have an issue.

1:40:27There is a negotiating table and we can resolve it. So this kind of behavior where you just fire at random civilian ships, it's unjust. It's irresponsible. And ultimately, you know, what the United States can do, I don't think we'll ever return to a big escalatory war ever again. I mean, or I shouldn't say ever, but it seems unlikely. There's very little appetite for it from the president on down. But what the U.S. can just reimpose its blockade and just squeeze Iran at a distance without getting into the sort of firing, you know, full on war. And Iran is at some point. Although Trump did say we are going to be hitting them again tonight and the U.S.

1:41:10is clawing back its oil sanctions waivers that we offered to them as part of this deal, which you would expect. Like that's we said all along, if you behave badly, we're going to take back some of the relief that we're about to give you. Yeah, that's like skirmishes or taking pot. It's not quite the same as a as a full war. So, again, I think the blame here lies mostly with the Iranian regime and the fact that, again, there was a whole mechanism set up so that if you have complaints about how the memorandum is being implemented or how it should be implemented, we're across the table from each other and we talk.

1:41:46So, you know, if the United States can impose a great deal of pain on Iran without without it really being full on war. So if they want to go down this route, let them and they're going to feel the pain. If you have complaints, please press one pound. Don't blow up the phone line entirely. There are other methods to take care of these problems. All right. Before we go, I've got to show you Sonny Hostin of The View. It was the big Fourth of July celebration. vibration. I'm sure you guys had a great time with your family, as did we. And this is what Sonny Hostin's thinking about these days. And with an American flag on that cap, you might as well have a hood on.

1:42:24You might as well have a hood on, because that's what it looks like. That's what it feels like. But you say this is the best nation. It's the best nation for who? Yeah, when you say it's the best nation, the best nation for who? Because if we are celebrating 250 years, what are we exactly celebrating is what I want to know. And so I'm really glad that picture was taken because that picture is how we feel walking into many rooms down the street. That picture is how we feel and nobody will believe us. So look at that picture and understand how it feels. You never should be made to feel like that.

1:42:55It's wrong. And I said this on this show many, many years ago, because this is my 10th year on the show. And I said, there are times when I walk into a community and I see American flags all over the community and I suddenly feel unsafe because there is a section of this country that has co-opted the american flag and they equate uh being an american or an american flag with white supremacy and that should never be ever the symbol of white supremacy but they have weaponized shut up all right sean you want to take that in the minute we have left yeah we actually have a rule in our hoa that every house has to have a flag to make sure sunny hostin doesn't show up um you know we do it for our protection everyone everyone's good you have to have at least three you got to have one in the backyard on the mailbox and in the front of the house because you can't be too sure these days she might just show up she's she lives in a palace this woman is one of the richest women in america and yet she's still she's going to be targeted this is her home she's going to be targeted just because of the color of her skin because you can see how unfair america has been to her guys love talking to you thanks for being here so reb sean you too we'll do it again soon all the best and we'll have much more tomorrow on the Tyler Robinson hearing.

1:44:12In the meantime, check it out at youtube.com slash Megan Kelly. Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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