The Secret to the "Living Diet," Cutting Down "Visceral" Fat, and Why Fermented Food is So Healthy, with Dr. Sean O'Mara | Ep. 1408

29:22And I could follow any metric in the world, but I don't follow LDI and cholesterol. I follow these disease processes because nothing in my seven years of research and since I've been doing now for 13 years have I found that's more valuable for a human being to work on, to improve how they look, how they perform, how they live, than getting rid of this disease. And so it's high time that it gets added back or gets added into the curriculums of medical schools. And by the way, the curriculums of medical schools in America are followed around the world. I mean, we have carried this concealment of this disease process to all the medical schools around the country.

30:10No other country. It's not like you go to physicians in India or Bangladesh or Qatar, know anything about visceral. They don't. It's like I'm having that thought again. Somebody wake me up from this nightmare. Nobody knows about this unless they actually are researchers and start studying it. And the big difference is we didn't just research it. We didn't just see how bad it was. We figured out how to get rid of it. And then it was like surprise in my life. People got really good looking and they performed better. I just thought they would get healthy. How naive I was. I just thought they, you know, would lose.

30:48You're making America hot again. Yes. I mean, I even went to a modeling agency and they said, you know, I said, you know, If your models find out about visceral fat, their careers will last longer. And it's terrible. They held up a stack of resumes, this thing, and said, well, when they don't look good, we got all these new girls that are coming in to replace them. I was so sad. I'm looking forward to watching Bobby Kennedy and J.D. Vance and Howard Lutnick get hotter. Yeah. And they are becoming healthier looking. Yeah. And because they're becoming healthier looking, they're becoming more better performing and better influencers.

31:28So I'll say this. So you and I have talked about this. My audience knows my dad died of a heart attack at age 45 in 1985. So I've lived my whole life since age 15 worried about having a heart attack young. And it's scary to me to do anything that's going to jack up my LDL just because of the conventional wisdom I've been raised on. All the doctors say the one thing. But now more and more functional medicine doctors are saying we have put way too much emphasis on that number of LDL. And there's even a split. I know Peter Atiyah worries about LDL, but like my hormones doctor doesn't worry about it at all.

32:04She's much more worried about protecting my brain with my hormones and cholesterol protects your brains and so on. So it's just, there's a split. So you and I talked about my own comfort level is to try it. I actually, I am in the midst of trying it and plan to continue. and then some measure of months in, maybe three months we said possibly, I'll go back to my cardiologist who I see every year for a stress test and a scan of my arteries so he can see what the fatty buildup is on the walls and I will see where it is. So I like, for me, that's good because then I'll be able to look inside. We'll do the MRI again and we'll see if the visceral fat has gone down.

32:42But I'll also take a peek inside with a cardiologist just to make sure nothing catastrophic is happening And people should consider that if they want to try this because both measurements would be good to have. Absolutely. So maybe it would be good to actually show a picture of this heart fat for people to actually see. So maybe I can put it in the camera, get a better view. But this image, and I think your editors will put these images in, show three different hearts. And you can see that the top image is from a 28-year-old that died from a motor vehicle accident. Okay, good. And then the middle image shows a picture of somebody who's, I think, 38 who died from a heart attack.

33:26And you can see half their heart is covered with fat. The image on the top barely has any fat around it at all. Where's the fat on the second heart there? In the yellow. So all that yellow is fat around versus the top image. They have just a little bit of fat around the arteries. For the listening audience, the entire front of the heart is in yellow. Yes. It's covered in fat. Yes. And the bottom image - Oh, what's the bottom image? There's not a single area on the heart. The bottom image looks like a beef wellington. Yes. Fat in the heart. And the scary thing is, Megan, I haven't had a single 50-year-old or older ever come to me that didn't have an image like the bottom one.

34:07And nobody knows this is going on. So how do you think your heart can function with all that inflammatory fat surrounding it? So what I do is I image that fat and I show people - Losing fat on your body through a diet or exercise does not mean the reduction of visceral fat? No. So you said it best in the beginning. We're not talking about, I don't promote just losing weight. I promote losing visceral fat or what I like to say, lose disease. You don't want to lose weight. Yeah, I don't need to lose weight. They lose disease. Yeah. And what we find out is when people lose weight and they lose disease, that they actually put on healthier tissues.

34:50So look at this 87-year-old guy. Maybe the screenshot, they can take another screenshot of that. And maybe I have to move the - We'll improve it on the post-game. But in the image, visceral fat shows up as white in the bottom. And so his atom is pushing up, this 87-year-old man. His belly is bulging. Yep. And then to his right, you see how flat his abdomen got. He lost so much visceral fat. He no longer had a dad bod laying down on the table when he's going to the MRI. He now has a flat abdomen. But the dark structures that are around his side right here are the oblique muscles. On the side image right there is the oblique muscles.

35:35And so So his oblique muscles got bigger, 40%. He's 87 years old. He didn't take testosterone. He didn't take peptides. He didn't take stem cells. He didn't take any hormones at all. He built muscle and got rid of disease and he's 87 years old. So what I like to tell people is our ancestors, you talked about, you're gonna lead the hunt. You use that expression. Our ancestors in the past, the oldest women and the oldest men, the very best led the hunt. They led the fight. They led the tribe because they had two things, gray hair, which is connoted for wisdom and experience. Megyn Kelly today knows way more than Megyn Kelly when she was 20.

36:22And so that's why you lead this show and you lead so many Americans because of that experience. The future of professional sports will be football players in the NFL who are in their 50s and 60s will be the highest paid because we're going to get rid of disease that they don't know about right now, and they'll actually perform better. So a really cool kind of a story is take a look at this football player who just came to me this past week. He has a chronic disease that is Parkinson's and he's very open about his Parkinson's. Oh, I know who this is. So this is Brett Favre and he gave me permission to share.

37:09I don't talk about my clients. Everybody loves Brett. And Brett is attacking his Parkinson's. And now he's attacking it by trying out a limiting visceral fact. All those 6 ,000 people, I didn't have any Parkinson's. So I went on the internet a couple of weeks ago to my ex-community. I said, does anybody know Brett Favre? And all my community reached out. Some of them knew them and they went to Brett. And so Brett came to me and he's working on getting rid of his Parkinson's by eliminating his visceral fat and optimizing his microbiome. And just so people know, like I was, there's a gal, Jordan Peterson's daughter, Michaela Peterson.

37:51And she has been all over YouTube for the past several years talking about how, in her case, I think she said she had bipolar and she also had an autoimmune disease and some other problems. And she seems very sensitive to things like molds and certain foods and so on. Long story short, she wound up going beef only, beef only. Just like an elimination diet. And she stayed on it for, I think, eight years. Now, that's not your diet or your way of eating, but it's like a sister in a way, and she eliminated all of those problems. Like, she got rid of bipolar by eating just meat and her autoimmune issues by eating just meat.

38:34So it's like, it is pretty remarkable because some people may be thinking, you can't cure Parkinson's with diet, but I'm not sure we know that's true. Yeah, so what it turns out, I think, and there was a study that just came out this week supporting that, that microbes inside our gastrointestinal tract, which amount to our microbiome, this collection of species of microbes, again, not well taught in medical school, but at least is addressed and it's emerging a lot more. These microbes have been found to be associated with Parkinson's and moreover, there was a study that just came out about four months ago where they were doing fecal microbiota transplants, where they take some feces from super healthy humans, transplant it into people that had Parkinson's, and it was reversing their motor deficits.

39:24That means how they move, how they walk, their capacity for motor movement of their muscles. So Parkinson's is a disease that has a very strong impact. But it's not just Parkinson's. The microbiome is ultimately going to play an enormous role that we're gonna find out in many areas of chronic disease, disease that afflicts human beings. That makes so much sense if you look back to what we've been doing to ourselves with the processed food. Right. And also the over-prescription of antibiotics where we just absolutely destroy our microbiome. Yes. And then go along our merry way without thinking much about it.

40:01Maybe take a probiotic, that's it. But we're not actively building up the variety of good bugs. Correct. That your diet with the ferments in particular. Exactly. So to your point about the carnivore diet, which Michaela Peterson promotes and does, you know, her version is the lion diet, just eating meat and salt. I think she was eating specifically ruminant meat like lamb. Yes, yes. And so what's ruminant? Ruminant means animals with ruments. And that's really interesting because they have a special type of, you can think of a specialized stomach that they eat vegetation and they ferment it. Oh.

40:42So fermenting vegetables, unlike like chickens and swine, pork, they don't have rumens. So this fermentation takes place and fermentation is going to be - You love fermentation. I do. I mean, I love Secretary Kennedy because he put in our national guidelines. God bless this man. I don't know of a politician that did something more important than Secretary Kennedy, putting in fermented foods, recommending it to Americans, and also to emphasize the microbiome. These are going to have enormous contributions to our country if Americans adopt this and listen to this great leader. Wait, I completely agree.

41:29Love him. But you are going to make the point Michaela Peterson is doing the lion diet. So she's with ruminant meat and salt. That's not this diet, though, because Because you allow more than ruminant meat. No. So ruminant meat, this red meat, does help because it's eliminating processed foods. So you don't eat any processed foods. And also vegetables. So what we're finding out, now hold on. Everybody's going to get upset at me, particularly plant-based. I take care of people that are vegans, okay? And I get them well. But there are certain nutrients and certain elements inside plants that I would describe as microtoxins.

42:10Okay, they're just small little things like lectins and oxalates and phthalates and saponins. And we're learning more about them all the time. So there is anecdotally people that go on the carnivore diet, like you said, are eliminating autoimmune disorders. Not in mass. Not everybody does it, but enough people to create what we call a signal. A signal is something that has some sort of effect, either good or bad. So there is a positive signal we see when vegetables are cut back and there's more red meat, but you want to eat the healthiest form of red meat possible. But I advocate meat and microbes like you talked about in the beginning.

42:53I call it the living diet because when you add in fermented foods to your diet, you're actually eating extraordinarily different than you've ever eaten in your lifetime. You're now eating food that's alive with these living microbes. And I want America to know, stop thinking that germs are always bad. The reason you have obesity and you're overweight is you have an untreated infection inside of you. You have microbes inside you, ladies and gentlemen, that is causing you to crave ice cream and cookies. That's not you. You don't lack willpower. You're infected. And big pharma knows that this works, but they are not going to treat the underlying infection.

43:43because, you know, Azempic and GLP meds are making a ton of money out there. But as soon as you stop taking it, every study shows that obesity returns, weight gain, disease gain, let's call it for what it is. It's not just weight. You're not putting back on muscle. In fact, you put on disease when you stop those medicines. You return to a greater level of disease, it looks like, than where you were when you started. And so this disease process begins because they never treated the underlying infection. If you want to get better, start eating fermented foods. Learn about the microbiome, like Secretary Kennedy said, and get these fermented foods into your diet.

44:25Eat them together with the food you eat. Secretary Kennedy goes to meetings and presentations and talks about co-mastication of fermented foods together with meat. Meaning you're chewing them together. That's one thing I didn't realize just in reading up about the diet. You're supposed to put this grass-fed and grass-finished, we'll get into that, beef in your mouth at the same time as the ferment, and you eat them together. If you look at Sean's average plate, the way he eats, it's like, and I think the New York Magazine described it as dropping a steak in the middle of an artist's palate. And I think that's a good description actually, because you've got the beef in the middle and then all around the beef, you've got not just one ferment.

45:09It's not like a dab of sauerkraut. It's like dab of sauerkraut, dab of kimchi, dab of fermented beets, a dab of kefir, kefir, whatever you say that, a dab of yogurt. And you want us to cut off the beef, a piece of it, and dunk it in several of those. Correct. And then eat them together simultaneously, each bite. When we study the microbiome, one of the attributes and characteristics of a healthy microbiome, which means the person, the host is healthier, is alpha diversity and beta diversity. So they have a greater variety of species of microbes inside of them. And those species of microbes, when they're more diverse, empower the human to have better resources.

45:56So these microbes improve your immunity. They help you fight disease. They create peptides and signals that improve your level of health and your functioning and your performance. So really, it's something that the average consumer needs to find out about. But you want to strengthen your diversity of your microbiome by eating a variety. Like one of the worst things you can do. I mean, it's a very elementary form of approaching the microbiome and fermented foods. is just eat one brand of sauerkraut, one little jar. You want to eat about, in my refrigerator, I have about 20 to 30 different varieties of fermented foods.

46:38And I'm always adding to them. And when I travel and I go to different areas, like I did up here, I get the local ferments in this area. Because we are maybe professionals. You're a journalist. I'm a physician. but biologically we're all hunter gatherers. And so we would roam following migratory patterns of animals. And when we roamed, we would collect the microbes in that area when we drank the water from the streams, rivers, and lakes 50 ,000 years ago. And when we hunted those animals, the microbes from that animal literally were transferred to us in two ways. We would process that meat, field dressing, and there was no disinfectant, Megan.

47:26We didn't have sterilized USDA inspector, suspected facilities where meat was processed. The microbes from the fur of the animal and the gut of that animal were transferred to the meat. We would eat it and it would empower us. And our ancestors were so vigilant and so observant, like my coroner friend, Dr. Rosales, who picked up this visceral fat inside people cause disease. Our ancestors picked up that the healthiest bison made us healthier and better performing. And when you took that skin off that animal and you put it into another human being to wear his clothing, they got better. But if you hunted like a lame animal, an animal that was like a downer or something, you know, like predators hunt whatever's easy, the old and the lame.

48:19We have cortex. We have higher levels of thinking. We can learn patterns. So we saw that the most majestic animals, you know, in a herd conferred through the skin made humans better. Or if you hunted the lower ones, it made you worse. Our ancestors could pick up on that. And that's why adornment became popular, I think, and to this day. People would pay attention to clothes because biologically we would see this really oppressive animal fur and say, oh my God, she must be a mighty hunter. Look at that skin, you know, animal fur that she wears on her clothing, or she must be very important to somebody who conferred that majestic animal skin to her.

49:10And so we have this legacy of adornment, but today it's very different. You see, you can go buy that and you could be a, you know, I hate to use this term, a loser. and you could go buy fancy clothes and you think you're better made by your clothes. In the old days, it literally made you better and it was a sign of accomplishment. But today we've lost that. So you started this by saying you go when you travel and you get the ferments from the local towns because the more wide and variety you can introduce, the better when it comes to the ferments. But before we get to the specifics of the diet and I got ahead of us, I want to talk about the bare minimum because I was reading up on you in addition to our interviews and our behind the scenes talks.

49:58And it seems like the number one thing, if you want to do the mini, mini Sean O'Mara, you would eliminate every processed food from your life. I would. That is not negotiable. I would. You're going to do the baby Sean. And I'm so glad you asked that question. So if you're listening today and you're wondering, how do I get started? We'll take a look at this one particular study we did for the National Science Foundation. So this is the first time in the history of humanity this was done. And it's the only time in the history of humanity this was done. And see the red? It all goes away in 35 weeks substantially.

50:38And the dark muscles grew. So they lost visceral fat. They grew muscle in 35 weeks. and are you ready for this? The only thing they did was they cut out processed foods. Wow. They didn't add in anything else. They didn't even add in fermented foods. It was one man who was, he was a 70 year old man who was a CEO of a company and he did not exercise, ready for this, one minute. All he did was cut out processed foods. All he did, cut out processed foods. And got rid of a ton of visceral fat. Yes, so right now millions of people are gonna see this and there'll be a few people in the processed food industry that are gonna get so mad that the cat is out of the bag right now for millions of people to realize how destructive processed foods are and just how much you improve when you eliminate processed foods.

51:29So that's a mini Dr. Sean. So if you are sitting out there and you're saying, I cannot eat like this. I can't just do beef and ferments for the rest of my life. You can get rid of processed food. Just that's the baby Sean O'Mara. It is. However, there is a question about what is processed food. I mean, I think we all know that like, you know, not to pick on Nabisco, but like a box of anything from Nabisco would be a processed food item. But I think there's like some sneaky processed foods. We're going to pick it up. I'm going to take a quick break. We're going to pick it up there and we're going to get into the specifics of how we're eating, how we're exercising and the other tips for taking yourself next level.

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54:18Dr. Sean O'Meara is back with me. He's the author of Growing Better, Not Older. How to biologically optimize your body, improve your appearance, and crush your goals by targeting visceral fat. Okay, so we were talking about what is a processed food? They always say just avoid the middle of the grocery store and anything that's in a box or that could live on your counter. Not live, but stay on your counter for two weeks without spoiling. But there's some sneaky processed foods, I think. Yeah, there are. And the simplest guidance I give to people is if it has a label, it's probably going to be processed.

54:59When it needs ingredients and ingredientless, it's very likely that it's been processed a little bit. So sometimes even taking meat and changing its form or vegetables exposes it to air and oxidation and helps degrade the process and make it more inflammatory. So the safest thing to eat is chunks of vegetables and chunks of meat. And so the other thing I tell my clients that work with me is calories don't matter as much in numbers as much as the quality of the calories. So a calorie isn't a calorie. The quality of calories matters more than the quantity of it. Like you said ice cream is processed.

55:42That's considered a processed food? It is because oftentimes they will add things in like sugars and sometimes they'll leave them. Xantham gum. Yeah, these fillers and stabilizers, emulsifiers to make them more palatable tasting. But really, you'd be better off making your own homemade ice cream. I'm not an advocate for sugar. You know, sugar, we notice that people eliminate this fat, visceral fat disease in their abdomens around the heart the fastest when they cut out carbohydrates and then just eat fat and protein. So sugars, carbohydrates attract species of microbes that preferentially put down fat, fatty disease around your heart and your abdomen rather than your subcutaneous skin where you should be storing that fat.

56:33And I said to you, well, I really like my ice cream. It's bad advice. I have it a lot. I just have a little bit at a time, but I have it like every other night. And my dear friend, Nancy told me that needs to stop. And then you came into my life and told me, I'm not going to want it. That's right. So that's actually comforting. It's not that I'm going to be longing for it and missing it. Never. The microbiome is going to change to where the compulsion is not there. Yeah. You'll even get a sick feeling like the thought. I mean, I feel so sad and I get nauseated seeing people eating processed foods and ice cream, even when it's, you know, pretty ostensibly kind of minimally processed.

57:15my microbiome is geared towards meat, seafood and fermented foods. And now it gives you almost like a sense of revulsion when you see the foods that are not good for you. Yes. Like when you see the unattractive cave woman. Yes. You know, she was not, she was not picking the healthiest bison. But the aversion, you know, goes both ways. So sometimes people will see fermented foods and they'll be repulsed by fermented foods, But it's the microbes inside of them that are fighting for their survival and tell the host, don't eat that fermented food. So it's the sight, the smell, and the taste. So these microbes are wired into our central nervous system.

57:57And you would fight like Katie's. I always tell people, if I came across that table, put my hands around your neck and started choking, you'd become a wild woman and fight like crazy for your life. The same thing are these microbes inside of you. When they see something that is threatening them, like their host is about to eat fermented foods, they make them hate them. So I tell my clients that have an aversion where they feel this repulsion to fermented foods to take a little butter knife, dip it in a little bit of kimchi juice, a little of the juice around the fermented vegetables, put it in a glass of non-chlorinated water, just one little drop.

58:35They won't see it. They won't taste it. They won't smell it. Then they drink that water. And when they drink it, they just drink millions of these beneficial microbes. They're going to start living inside them, go down and kick the fannies of those bad microbes inside the gut of those person that was previously hating them. And then eventually the kimchi is less unattractive. Less offensive, less repulsive, and slowly over a period of time. I rarely tell this story, but I remember my mother taught me to make fudge when I was four years old with a candy thermometer. water, you know, on a stove.

59:11I don't know how I never was scalded as a four-year-old, but my mom liked the fudge. So I made her fudge and made her coffee. Those were her predictions. And so I ate all this fudge, but I became really colonized with all these bad pathogenic microbes. And I remember I was this sweet little kid that would listen to Christmas carols about Jesus and I'd be crying, you know, it was this sweet little, adorable little six, seven-year-old, but somebody would get behind me, I could smell kimchi. And I remember, I'm telling you, for the first time in my life, I felt homicidal rage. I was seven years old, didn't understand it, but I wanted to kill the man behind me.

59:51And it would happen over and over again. And it would be some Asian or Korean with kimchi on their breath. And that's how powerful these microbes are. They're so wired into the host to defend against a threat. Is this part of the reason why most of us find organ meats repulsive? In part because of the nutrient value, but less so because the microbes, because typically organ meat isn't going to have a strong sense of microbial contribution. There won't be living microbes. So those are just genuinely disgusting. Well, but also the metabolites. So there are metabolites that are richer nutrients in that organ meat that will be fertilizer for beneficial microbes.

1:00:38And when the beneficial microbes start growing, they outsource, they outcompete the bad ones. So there's a war going on inside of you. It's an African safari. It's a rainforest in your stomach, but you never think about it. But the balance of that, you want as many healthy microbes in there as possible. Okay, wait, I want to keep going because I have so many things I need to talk about. In the break, we talked about how - And your face will and actually can change as a result of this diet. And you talked about the example of your daughter, who's also on the planet. She's 25 years old. She works with you.

1:01:20This is a different example. Yeah, that's a picture of mine. That's you. Yeah, that's how much I changed when I was 48. That was me when I became the researcher for the National Science Foundation. Wow. So my face showed a huge amount. That's before. So how inflamed my face? How sweet and nerdy. But puffy. But I weighed less there. I weighed 165 pounds there in that photograph, but I had more disease and not as much muscle. Today, I weigh closer to 178. I have like no visceral fat disease and my muscles have gotten a lot bigger. And your features have just become much more defined. Yes, and I think this goes back 20 ,000 years ago.

1:02:03We can't find photographs. But if we could look at men and women 20 ,000 years ago, they would have lean faces. So we were talking in the break about how when you get older, your nose starts to droop. And like, I don't know, it just seemed to me that it was gravity. And you were saying that's not true. No. You do not have to surrender to that. So people think that they literally get heavy or their noses get bigger because they're older. But here's an example, my own daughter. So my daughter, Riley, when she was 14 years old, is her originally right here, her photograph. And we scanned her and she was filled with visceral fat.

1:02:43And she ended up getting polycystic ovarian syndrome. And this visceral fat inflamed her face. And look how much she improved as she got rid of her visceral fat. That's not plastic surgery. The nose is remarkably thinner. No hormones, no steroids. Her nose got smaller. but we consistently see this in clients. I tell my female clients, if you want to be a model and they're older, absolutely, I'll make you a model. Because when you get rid of health, I mean, you lose your health, you lose your appearance, but nobody in their 50s, 60s, 70s are getting better looking unless they're getting rid of this visceral fat disease.

1:03:19So, and this is a person in his 40s who we know is on the diet. His name is J.D. Vance. and he started it for Lent. He was just gonna do it for Lent. And look at this. This is from February 28th to March 27th, the difference in the vice president's face alone. You can see how much less puffy he is. I think a lot of women think the puffiness only happens to them, but it happens to men too. It does, it does. And particularly politicians who have a lot of stress, they build up cortisol which feeds visceral fat inside of them and it shrinks the fat on the outside so they tend to have lower amounts of the beneficial superficial subcutaneous fat and they have higher amounts of the fatty disease around their heart and in their abdomen and their muscles and this this deteriorates their appearance and the ability to influence so as you get older you actually should get more attractive like looking at the the examples of other politicians, many of them have gone on this diet and improved their appearance.

1:04:29As they've gotten rid of visceral fat, their faces improve. And so because their faces improve, you actually, like the example that happened to Joe Biden and President Trump, I like to give. Now, we don't have the benefit of MRIs to see what happened. But this is the election at 2020, and this is 2024. And President Biden looked pretty good. His face was lean. He did well on the debate in 2020. But in 2024, he was abysmal. But look at the accumulation of cortisol, the inflammation in his face. And look at President Trump. His face was more inflamed in 2020. I think one of his sons has gone carnivore and is now eating more healthy and may be influencing his dad.

1:05:14Wow. And look how much he improved. The president's face improved. And look, it reached voters. it reaches influencers. So the future of politicians over there, I recognize him. So look at the doctors. They had different doctors. So Biden's doctor was this physician and President Trump's was Admiral Jackson, Ronnie Jackson's congressman. So, you know, it depends on who's influencing helping your diet. You know, point. Yeah. And so I tell people you pay attention to your doctor when you go to a doctor and they're so heavy and they're so disease and they look off and they talk like this and he's got a little your cholesterol we're going to start a stat and you know it's like going to a dentist with jacked up messed up teeth or going to a personal trainer who's morbidly obese yes i don't think so yes wait this when you and i were talking about the ice cream one more one more tip for those out there who are like me and have this problem but no longer um you said to me you know who else liked his ice cream every night I said, who?

1:06:14Joe Biden. I was like, OMG, I never thought of it that way. Problem solved. And I'm cured. Good point. Very good point. Choosing to live well will result. Here's the insight. You want to go to a new level. You think when you eat that ice cream, you're eating for yourself. You're eating less for yourself and more for the microbiome, the community of microbes inside of you. And so they drive you to eat that food. Sick, they're evil. And they are. They're far more, it's a form of intelligence that we don't really understand. But there's a mechanism inside a bacteria, a single-cell mechanism called CRISPR.

1:06:57And CRISPR is promising new. It's way more sophisticated than anything we've ever seen in human development. They can do gene editing. Yes. And so they have this ability to detect a threat, create the solution to the threat, and eliminate the threat. It's a very elegant genetic capability that's in the single cell organisms. And so microbes have really a form of existence that is far beyond what we really understand. So it's high time that America pays attention to their microbiome. And by the way, you said the same thing about alcohol because while I don't drink a ton, I do drink socially. And you were saying same thing, that any Jones for alcohol will go away on the diet, because you're gonna change the microbiome for this same reason, the bugs will change.

1:07:46I've worked with thousands of people now and they've reported to me. I used to never ask them to stop drinking alcohol and sometimes I would, but now it just happens as they start eating fermented foods and they improve their diet and they do the other things that we have them doing to eliminate disease. Their health improves so much, their microbiome improves so much, they lose all attraction for alcohol. The healthy human being doesn't drink alcohol, doesn't have an attraction for it. And so alcohol is one of those things and other vices. Sometimes I feel like I'm almost a Catholic priest because these clients come back to me, tell me, I didn't tell you this before, father, but I was addicted to gambling.

1:08:31I was addicted to pornography. I was addicted to substance abuse, alcohol, and drugs. and then they have to know what is it about getting rid of visceral fat and eating these fermented foods that these problems go away. They wanted me to tell them they had been struggling their whole lives. And so, you know, there are probiotics. Lots of effects. Many, many beneficial effects. All right, let's talk about the eating. So, so far I'll tell the audience what I had for breakfast. I had eggs, a little bit of cheese, but you can't have just any cheese. It's got to be like smelly cheese, blue cheese. Old world cheese.

1:09:12Old world. Okay. What's the other one? Blue cheese, gorgonzola, and there was a third that we got. Roquefort. Roquefort. Okay. So I had eggs. I had a little bit of cheese. I had a little kefir. This is yesterday. And I did have like a couple of strips, tiny, not big, but you said, go for it if you want, of steak. I had steak for the night before. So that was my breakfast, which was very hearty. It wasn't like a huge plate, but I had all of those things on it, and I made sure I was chewing comastification, whatever RFKJ says, in every bite. Then for lunch, I had steak with ferments, a bunch of them.

1:09:51And by the way, we have to talk about the fact that when you get your ferments from the grocery store, you have to reach into the back of the display case and try to get the ones that were in the dark because light is not great for your ferment. So reach into the back and then you can keep it in your fridge. But as you pointed out, I'm like, well, the fridge has a light. And you were like, not when it's closed. Hello. Okay. Anyway, so then I had my steak and I had a couple of different ferments on there. And then I basically had the same dinner as I did lunch. So I think that was a basic approach to the diet.

1:10:24You can get fancier and you don't have to stick with just cow. You can do bison, elk, venison, lamb. And even some fish, though it's not your food. favorite and I don't eat fish anyway, so it's kind of not a thing. And I recommend like wild caught seafood. If you're going to do fish, do wild caught. And on the beef, not just grass fed, but if you can find it grass finished, which means what exactly? Yeah. So grass fed, grass finished. And I'll show you a picture because it's very powerful. The difference that this makes when you actually eat something that is grass fed, grass finished, you get a higher level of healthier meat.

1:11:02So here's a picture of the difference, a grass-fed, grass-finished steak on one side versus grain-fed. So you get this marbleization. It's the one that's grass-fed and grass-finished looks like pure red. And the one that isn't has a bunch of the fat marble throughout it. Yes. And so this marbleized meat is not as healthy. And so when you finish, sometimes it's just grass-fed, but they finish it on grain. So you really want to be eating meat that's grass-fed, grass-finished with less marbleization. And the impetus behind us, the reason why we learned this, and I didn't know this, they didn't teach us this in medical school, was really this photograph right here that shows the connection how this happens in human beings.

1:11:52So look at these two abdominal scans side by side next to them. We have the legs of the humans that correlate with their abdominal scan. And you can see on the image on the left, they have a lot more visceral fat. And in the image on the right, below it, they have less visceral fat, but their legs to the side show different degrees of marbleization in their muscles. So the image on the bottom is from Olympic sprinter, correct. And look at those big, gorgeous muscles, very little visceral fat inside their abdomen and their legs are very lean. But the guy in the top looks like, I call him human wagyu.

1:12:35He has so much marbleization of his muscles. And ladies and gentlemen, if you follow Megan, the reason you need a walker and a cane and a wheelchair is not because you're old, is because this white stuff forms in your legs and keeps you from supporting yourself anymore. That's it. That's it, America. No other reason you need a wheelchair and you're going to need a wheelchair and eventually you won't eat, your muscles will be so filled with fat you'll fall over in a wheelchair and then you're in a bed for the rest of your life until you die. Unless you find out about this disease going inside of you.

1:13:16It's that important. So that's why I have people eating grass-fed, grass-finished beef so that, and I promote many different ranchers that do that. You're allowed to have eggs. And that was one thing I didn't ask you. With yolks, like, are we going for it? Yes. Where you're not doing the cholesterol thing anymore. Because like, most people look at that and say, holy shit, you'll be dead by noon. Yeah, old science. So absolutely, whole eggs are great. And the healthier the chickens, the healthier the eggs. So ideally, you should buy eggs if you can from a farmer that has them out pastured where they're out eating bugs.

1:13:55Bugs. And less, not grains, poultry in the wild, fowl, game fowl, they're not out eating grain. They're out eating bugs. And so you want to eat an animal that eats a natural diet. And so in between animals in the wild are domesticated animals like chicken, pork, and beef. but to the extent that it's more natural, it's more healthier for you. So you want to eat grass-fed, grass-finished in the room and that's beef and bison. And the chickens, you want to eat ones that are pastured. What's the thinking? But we're not eating chickens, you mean the eggs. Yeah, yeah. What's the thinking behind the cheese, like the stinky cheese?

1:14:34Yeah, so the thinking is dairy. I don't recommend dairy unless it's fermented. Fermentation is the only processing that I can think of as a physician and a scientist and a researcher that actually improves the form of food. And so when you ferment dairy, you're actually improving. You're increasing the nutrient value, and you're adding to the microbial value, these living microbes. And the ones that are more old world and more stinkier and smellier, like blue cheeses and roqueforts and gargonzolas, have higher levels of colony-forming units and metabolites, these little tiny signals, these little tiny peptides that are now the darling of big pharma, and you see it just blowing up all over the internet, these peptides.

1:15:24Well, they already exist in nature. And so you can see that people that eat traditionally, and that's how we learn to co-mascicate too, is traditional people eat fermented foods with meat. They chew them together, like in South Korea. You would never eat a piece of meat without chewing it with kimchi. And the Korean women, the ajimas, the older women that are in restaurants, will come up and yell at you in Korean if you just eat the meat and don't eat the kimchi. They will castigate you in public over this because it's a tradition inculcated within their society. So cheese fermented is a tradition way of taking dairy and improving it.

1:16:04And when you eat - So it's a ferment. It's a ferment. Okay. It's through fermentation that milk, specifically the lactose, the milk sugar, gets reduced, gets eliminated. It's changed into lactate. And actually through this chemical biological process, a better way of describing the biological influence of these beneficial microbes that are added to the vat of dairy. And it's in a big cheese wheel. And then when it's cut into triangles, that's when we were shopping. I told you to buy the triangular type. that's your cue that it's really old world processing. It's not like processed ricotta or cottage cheese that's really not familiar.

1:16:46We were joking about our Velveeta. Yeah. No offense, Velveeta. You served me well for a number of middle school years. Here for the listening audience, we're gonna put on the board now and you should just check this out. It's about an hour, 20 minutes into the show. The purchases we made at Whole Foods, but you don't have to go to Whole Foods. you can probably do it at any other sort of more alternative grocery store. But Sean and I went together, which was very helpful. And I photographed here and just check out the show on YouTube. But all the things that we bought, including the butter, which is over there on the right, it's like a little French butter that Sean likes.

1:17:23And he uses that butter, man, because I said, what do I cook the beef in? He said, well, either just on the grill and with nothing, or you just, or you can cook it in butter. and at the end you put some butter on top of it. You are not afraid of the butter. No, I'm not. This butter is delicious. I don't know what this is, but I've had it now for two days in a row and it's freaking heavenly. It's crazy. So we took a picture, and then I took a picture back at my house more clearly of the labels and I'll show you those too. So that if you just want to copy what I did, you know, it's just easier. Yeah.

1:17:53So it really is an important thing. You need to get around somebody who knows how to eat healthy and learn how to shop in stores because traditionally we just go in and grab anything, but you want to be mindful. On the yogurts too. There's a picture of the yogurt there that you liked. And fermented dairy. And you were not pro-Greek. No. I was shocked to learn that. No, it's a form of processing. So they're eliminating the beneficial microbes and the tart liquid form. If you separate it, it makes the yogurt more creamy and that people are buying it, but you're losing the metabolites and the microbes when you're doing that.

1:18:30And so the consumer is getting ripped off from that. And so it appeals to the palate. So that's a good example of how processing, can I semi-process? The yogurt you like is on our little picture that I posted here. So that picture shows that. But I make the point that our ancestors didn't just hunt any bison. They were very selective about it. And you need to be that intentional, Megan, and your audience needs to be intentional about selecting the very best food when they go to a grocery store. Don't just get the most tasty one. So there was a process in anthropology called selection pressure.

1:19:12It was an influence on our species. It's still present in the wild that has an animal select the best decision that's going to help them live longer and perform better. It used to be present for homo sapiens. Our existence, our survival and a quality life was dictated on us making better choices. Today's selection pressure has been replaced by what I call selection pleasure. Greek yogurt, creamier things, tastier things, sweeter things. So I tell my clients, the enemy tastes sweet. Now you might think you're giving up a lot by giving up sweet things. I don't know a human being in the world that enjoys steak and ferments better than Sean O'Meara.

1:19:57It is like better than any trip to Walt Disney World that I've ever had. And it's every single day that I eat is the most unbelievable experience I could have during the day because that food tastes so extraordinarily good. My microbiome is all in on the very best strategies for optimizing. And eventually it happens to my clients over a period of time. So as you do this, you'll get more and more excited about eating. It will taste way better. You will laugh and be appalled. Did you ever eat ice cream at some point? I'm looking forward to that. Now, we should talk about what you just said, every day that I'm eating, because you are not eating every day.

1:20:40Fasting is a part of this diet. I'm sorry to break it to you at home, because I think fasting is so hard. I was telling you, I used to do the 16-8 fast. And even the 16 for me, I thought as a woman, was particularly hard those last two hours. And then I did hear some conventional wisdom that women shouldn't go 16. You were like, not only should you go 16, you should go three, maybe even four days. And then I said to Sean, women, women should go four days. And he said, when the men couldn't find the bison, what do you think the women were doing? That no one was eating, the males or the females.

1:21:17Yeah, so it's absolutely. Talk about the fasting. And by the way, I forgot to ask you something important. Is that every week? You don't fast four days a week every week, do you? I fast typically. I used to fast three or four days every single week. So literally like half the month I was fasting. I still kind of do that now, but I do even longer fast, like five days. So look at this lady's face who is kind enough to allow us to share her photograph, how much she improved her face. So this is over a six-month period of time, this lady adopted meat and microbes, the living diet, and also started fasting.

1:21:56So when you fast, you eliminate structural disease in your body and the influence in your face. So you get this gorgeous appearance to your face. A lot of women are afraid to come to me. They think that I only work with these, you know, studly males, tough guys. But women get these beautiful results where they have fantastic results. So biology knows no difference between men and women in terms of lifestyle. The healthier the food you eat, the healthier your lifestyle is available for men and women. Let's just say it's three days because four days sounds insane to me. Maybe it won't six months away.

1:22:32It took years for me to get up to that. Okay. I eased into it. What should I do right now as a baby, Sean, disciple? So I tell people to ease into fasting because the scariest thing for me right now is Megyn Kelly goes on a three-day fast, hates it, feels super weak, and then said, I tried fasting and it didn't work. That comes on the show, says, that sucks. Everything I said, I take back. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it would be a terrible tragedy. So you want to ease into it. It's not a race. You're a young lady. You've got decades of quality living ahead of you. So ease into it. Now, a little tip, our ancestors, when they didn't get a bison, would go drink from creeks, rivers, lakes, glaciers, and they knew the gray-haired women and the gray-haired men, the alphas, the leadership of a clan, knew which particular stream to drink that would reduce their hunger.

1:23:30And so these microbes have a capacity literally of increasing GLP-1. And so GLP-1 is this natural endogenous peptide that causes satiety. So today we can't drink rivers and lakes, but here's what we're going to find out. I am now experimenting and it's going to come out with certain strains of bacteria, probiotics that you will take and also postbiotics. Postbiotics are what probiotic microbiota, these species of microbes produce. So they're pieces basically of the living microbes. They signal you that you're no longer hungry. And so even though you didn't get a bison that day in the hunt, you're not hungry and you still have energy.

1:24:20So what does that mean for you today, 2026? You'll probably be getting, I've already given some to you, certain species of postbiotics that you can take, probiotics rather, and postbiotics, and they will reduce your hunger and allow you to fast without any hunger pains, without food noise, without cravings for food. So my clients, the longest I've seen a client fast, 10 days with these particular strains of microbiota. And I can't say what they are because we want them to be manufactured and available for all Americans to take. So we're in the process of trying to do that, work through that. But it'll be in the future that you'll be taking these strains of microbiota.

1:25:01They will dust all of the medications that are out there because they're going to treat the underlying infection that Big Puff Pharma doesn't treat. So for the listening audience, though, like what can they do before they get the special probiotics? Like, can they what? What's a realistic goal? One day a week to go 24 hours without eating? A lot of people should be able to do at least 18 to 24 hours, see how they do. Drink non-chlorinated water. Make sure you're taking magnesium. And I like magnesium citrate when I'm fasting because it has less bump on your autophagy. Autophagy is the physiological condition that you want to achieve by fasting.

1:25:48So autophagy is like spring cleaning inside your cells where cellular debris and disease is cleared up from the body. So people who fast just get healthier. You can have coffee. You can have coffee. I'm fasting right now, full disclosure. I've been fasting four days straight. That's so crazy. I haven't had a single calorie in four days. Does it look or sound like I have a lack of energy? No, or brain fog. No. Because I said to you, I said I tried, I found it very hard to do the 16-hour fast into a show. I needed to eat or I'd have brain fog. And you said you will get to the point where you will only do your show while fasting.

1:26:31100%. That's so crazy. Your most important shows you will do in a fasted state. The most important, like the Super Bowl and World Cups, the owners of those teams will demand that their athletes are in a fasted state. Really? And those 50-year-olds are going to be as, they'll be healthier than 20-year-olds. Why? What does Megyn Kelly, you dust everybody in journalism compared to a 20-year-old because you learned how to become a better journalist. Human beings in the past, the 50-year-olds were healthier than the 20-year-olds. Think about that. Today, the 20-year-olds are healthier than 50-year-olds only because of this undiagnosed disease process.

1:27:11But in the future, it's going to be 50-year-old men and women, athletes, and also politicians and executives. So as quickly as possible, optimize your microbiome. If you're a high performer, come to me. I'll work with them and get them more optimized. But that's what you're going to do. You'll be using fasting and these insights to perform better, look better, because you're going to be better in a fasted state. Because that's when you hunt. How many years did it take you to get to doing three days of fasting? Literally, I was slow. I didn't realize all these benefits because the studies have been coming out over the past 10 or so years.

1:27:50But it took me about five to six years to get up to three days. Now, I get a lot of my clients, like that young lady, she was doing three days, I think, and within one month. What? She eased into three days fasting. Hardcore. She was. Water and coffee. Coffee. And then take certain species of bacteria, probiotics that you take. So maybe we won't fast until you can say publicly what the probiotics are. And then kimchi, you know, a little bit of kimchi juice, a little fermented brine. So a little like fermented pickles, you know, fermented pickle brine. The juice you mean? Because there's no calories in it.

1:28:31Oh. And a little bit of like a couple of tablespoons of like organic unpasteurized vinegar. Pasteurized vinegar is dead. So you want - Like apple cider vinegar? So unpasteurized. And you add it a little bit to non-chlorinated water and you drink it and it stops your hunger pains. It increases your satiety and improves your level of health. And so it's a great addition to - The fasting, we've disclosed it. it's coming your way. Just know that that's a piece. It is coming to America. Don't wait for it to go mainstream. If you're an early adopter, move ahead. I do. I do want to talk about eating out because that seems like it would pose a challenge on this diet, which brings me, of course, to this wonderful clip of Cheryl Hines talking about RIFKJ, her husband's diet.

1:29:22SOT1. Well, right now he is only eating meat and fermented vegetables. So what that looks like is in the morning at 630, he's cooking a steak and eating sauerkraut. So what happens? Do you guys go out to eat? Is he like waiting to get back home to eat? Now, this is I don't know if he wants me saying this either. Who cares? he's so dedicated to this diet that he's eating that he will bring his own sauerkraut to a restaurant which by the way katie you will appreciate this because we'll be in the car dressed up i'll have like a little no i'll have my little clutch right one of my good bags that i only take out every once in a while because i don't i want to keep them nice and he'll hand me a bag of sauerkraut and say, can you put this in your bag?

1:30:20And I'll say, I actually cannot. And I, you know, if you would have told me when we were inside, I would have brought a different bag. But what you're about to put in, in this bag is not okay. I'm going to give this bag to one of my daughters. When she, you know, when I die, this is not a sauerkraut bag. But if you tell me I have time I can bring a sauerkraut bag.

1:30:49You know what I mean? It's too much. If you tell me in advance, I won't bring the Chanel. I won't bring the Chanel. Exactly. That's Cheryl with Katie Miller and a very funny exchange. Totally funny. I think she's the funniest woman. I had dinner with her. She's the best. And she's like that all the time. Yeah. She sat right in the chair that you're in. I think she's the funniest female I've ever met in my lifetime. She's got it. I love her. So eating out, you do have to bring the sauerkraut, not necessarily in a bag. You recommend baby food jars. I do, I do. I get the little tiny baby food jars, the really small ones, and I put a variety of ferments into it, put it in this little discreet jar.

1:31:28I put it into my coat pocket or my jeans pocket. I pull it out when I'm in a restaurant and dump it on a plate. I call it reverse shoplifting. Like you're bringing something into a restaurant, But they oftentimes are a little uneasy about it, but you don't need a lot. Put the little garnish in there. I get some, sometimes I get stares, but I do it fast and I put it back and, you know, it's gone. You order, you look for grass-fed beef. I do. And you ask if they can cook it in butter. I do. And so when you're at the table and you're talking to a waiter or waitress, you can say, do you cook your butters in seed oils or your meat in seed oils?

1:32:05Can you cook mine in butter? And ask them. And this is why you want to be selective. Yeah. You know, and I also tell people, look, you can't always find grass fed when you go to restaurants. I eat a McDonald's. I do. It's not great quality meat, but it's way better than pasta. I just don't eat the buns and the ketchups and all the other things that are added to it. And I bring ferments with me. I remember going on a vacation with my wife. I'm a retired army guy. I'm not a wealthy guy. So, you know, we're out eating a McDonald's. My wife, you know, I'm 62 years old then. And we're eating at McDonald's and we're getting rid of the buns and I'm dumping the ferments on the McDonald's patties.

1:32:47And that was our date night while we're out on this vacation. You could potentially have like a white fish or some sort of fish. Yes. So seafood and you can, and ideally I like wild caught because they tend, you know, the farm variety of seafood, they feed a lot of grains just like they do with cattle. So they're dumping stuff into these farm ponds that they have all this fish in. And sometimes even when they're out in the ocean, they pretend like, you know, that's a healthier version. They might get a little bit more healthier water. But then they're still feeding grains and carbs and all this unnatural diet to these farmed fish.

1:33:26And sometimes there are better operations. But I just think you need to be a lot more selective about the food you eat whenever you can, especially at home. You can go shop. You can find the very best foods shopping online and your local grocery supplier. Bring that home. And then on occasion, if you have to go out, eat a little grass-fed beef or grain-fed beef, bring some ferments with you. And when you go to your neighbor's house or your family members, don't dive down to their level. Be the hero. Be the champion in your family's life and in your neighbor's house. And you show them that you eat differently.

1:34:05You eat better and it's real for you. Don't compromise your health. So it's an opportunity to kind of like witness to them. I'm trying to live better. And, you know, the consequences is, you know, not that you just miss out on all the beneficial living. We're talking cancer and strokes and neurodegenerative conditions from this, not just one cheap meal. If you're eating ice cream, it's a cumulative effect of bad food over a lifetime. lifetime and a poor lifestyle. And it contributes and manifests with all this structural disease, vestibular fat, fat around your heart. And you never know when you're going to get a bad disease.

1:34:45Can you talk about, I was telling the audience what I ate yesterday on my first full day on the diet. Can you give an example of your typical diet, like your breakfast, your lunch, and your dinner? Sure. So I get up in the morning and if I want to eat, particularly if It's feasting. And I just, you know, I live a lifestyle of fasting and feasting, just like our ancestors. You know, we did not eat around the clock, you know, grazing and things. We're not cows. We would hunt, get a gigantic animal. Woolly mammoths were a good example. It's the only animal I could think of that we hunted to extinction.

1:35:20Ding, ding, ding. We love woolly mammoths, you know. Got to bring that back. Yeah, we do. On the menu. Work on that for science. Little steak, little lamb, little woolly. So I eat a big chunk of meat. And when I feast, I'm eating a lot. Game on. You are eating a lot. That one picture has, it looks like four burgers with butter. It's not cheese on top. It's a pat of butter. And that isn't even all that I ate. I eat a lot. I will eat four. I eat more than Sean Baker. I'll eat four to five pounds of meat a day. Oh my God. What? That's insane. I know. Well, because I'm making up for the meat that I didn't eat when I was fasting.

1:36:02So I recover. And so as far as the amount of food goes, it's probably equitable for what I would be eating if I was eating like a standard American kind of lifestyle. So if you are easing your way into this diet where you are maybe fasting one day a week, if that, do not have four to five pounds of beef in a day. No, you won't want to like feast. But when I break, and the other thing you should be aware of too, is I call it prime the pump. If you haven't eaten in like four days, most people when they return to eating, they can have a hyperosmotic effect where they put food in until their GI tract gets acclimated to it.

1:36:45And they can have some dysbiosis. They can be a little bit uncomfortable, a little nauseated. So you're going to ease into a fast. okay so uh start slow calm priming the pump and a little bit of blue cheese a little bone broth a little soup broth um a little tiny piece of meat over about four to five hours and work your way up to it now i can break my fast everybody that's eating this way is always surprises i can break my fast with four ribeyes oh my lord and i do i'm just like a lion i haven't eaten in you six days and I'll eat four giant ribeyes. Wow. My biggest, I've done six pounds of meat in one sitting, 96 ounces.

1:37:30I ate a tomahawk. To see the LDL at that moment. I don't think that would be encouraging. You won't worry about LDL after you do this. You'll realize that LDL and cholesterol is beneficial to you. It's a structural disease around your heart. You'll feel so much better. Talk about your breakfast. So breakfast is kind of like what you ate. Steak and eggs are one of my favorite breakfasts in the morning. Omelets with, you know, aged cheddar cheese and some blue cheese and some ferments. Oh, my gosh. To wake up and have that is just so sustaining and beneficial. And so every meal is a little bit different because there's so many varieties of fermented foods that you eat.

1:38:12Yogurts and kefirs and different forms of fermented vegetables. and fermented fruit. So I do eat fruit, but only if it's fermented. I have my clients back off of fruit because of the fructose and the fruit sugars that are in there. We noticed when we had people eat fermented fruit and cut out regular fruit that the fat around the heart went away a lot faster. And vegans that don't eat any meat, they do lose fat around their heart and they lose visceral fat if they add in fermented vegetables. So if they're eating a predominantly plant-based diet, sorry carnivores, the plant-based people are losing visceral fat when they stay vegan if they add in fermented foods.

1:39:01But in all honesty, they lose it slower. But they're losing it and the rest of America is gaining it. So vegans who add in fermented foods do better than Americans who are eating a standard American diet. That's good. So vegans can do this diet. They can. Do they have to ferment every vegetable? They don't have to, but I prefer it. You know, they don't have to, but, you know, they seem to prefer to have some fresh vegetables that aren't fermented. And so they eat broccoli and other things that haven't been fermented. On that front, and I want to ask you lunch too, but on that front, one of the first things you said to me is there's no cheating on this diet.

1:39:42so like if you were weak and you wanted to have a salad you shouldn't but like why what is that going to throw the whole thing off so the the cheating with the salad is not going to be bad as cheating with raisins and then you add in honey and uh and then you add in a sweet a salad dressing with sugar in it that's that's more of a cheating that's problematic if you just ate lettuce or, you know, some, you know, arugula, it's really as a very, very small amount of these anti-nutrients and microtoxins, not realistically a huge threat. It's oftentimes when it comes to salads, the accoutrements and the condiments and other things that come along.

1:40:30We've had some people say on the show that sourdough bread is not bad for you because it's got a lower glycemic index. It is very bad for you. It's just not as bad. That's what this physician research. When people come to me and they take sourdough bread, they always have visceral fat and heart fat. And when I show that to them and they get very upset, they eliminate it. And then that heart fat and visceral fat goes away. It honest to God correlates because it's still carbohydrates. it's still processed, it's dead bread. It may have had some living microbes in it at some point, but when you bake it, it's dead.

1:41:11And so those beneficial microbes are no longer present in there. So again, if you are doing the starter, Sean, you are eliminating processed foods, which will include bread, pasta, obviously sugars, ice cream, et cetera. The bare bones version of this could be meats and what? Like if you had to give them, not the full, Sean. Meat and then, you know, probably eating like vegetables that aren't fermented. That are not, okay. Like maybe - But then add fermented too. And then, yes. But if you're going to be eating any vegetables that aren't fermented, make sure you're co-masticating, including in your meal, fermented vegetables.

1:41:53But anything processed really, you should, anybody listening to your show, should be able to eliminate processed foods relatively easily. And then up your amount of seafood and meat and vegetables. If you really want to add in vegetables and you want to take a slow kind of junior approach, a Dr. Sean light approach to this diet. Just for people who think I can't do it. I can't, you know, I know a lot of people are thinking it's too extreme. I can't do it. But maybe you could try the intro version. and then if you do okay on that, the real version might not seem too undoable. Now wait, there's a lot more to discuss, including drinking, like what do we drink?

1:42:37And you've got thoughts on that. You have two drinks here. We're gonna talk about what you should order as your beverage at a restaurant and what you should be drinking as your beverage at home. There are a couple of options that surprised me and I think they'll surprise you too. Stand by, we're gonna take a quick break And then we are back with Dr. Sean here to tell us about his revolutionary new diet. Check with your doctor before you jump full in. But your doctor will probably say he doesn't like it, which, you know, expect that. Okay. We are just over a month out, but the midterms are fast approaching.

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1:46:32Dr. Sean O'Mara is back with me. He is the author of Growing Better, Not Older. and there's still so much to talk to you guys about. So let's just start on the water because I was surprised that you're not against RO water, which is what like literally everybody tells you to get the RO filter, but you really prefer something else. Tell us what you like. I do. So I like natural water. It comes right out of the earth and it's very interesting that there's no chemicals like added from like chlorine and fluoride from natural bottled water. And so I prefer water that comes from the EU. They actually have laws in the European Union that the water has to be in the bottle in the same form that comes out of the ground.

1:47:19We don't have that in America. Under the USDA and the FDA, the water has to be processed. It's heat treated. Oftentimes it's filtrated. So if you have a choice to get like San Pellegrino or my favorite is Gerolsteiner water, that actually has - Can you spell that? Yeah, G-E-R-O-L-S-T-E-I-N-E-R, Gerald Steiner. It's kind of cheap water over in Europe. It's a little more pricey by the time it gets over here. It comes from the German Alps, but it has a very low level of acidity, so it's really more an alkaline water, and it has the highest amount of minerals, and it's the most probiotic, meaning it has some living microbes still present in that water.

1:48:05comes out of the ground versus what we process here. So if you have a choice, get that water, and it will add to your microbiome. It will contribute. It's a way better source of water to drink from rather than drinking the process kind. Even RO that helps to eliminate chlorine. I have yet to find a single RO that completely eliminates chlorine. And chlorine is disruptive on your microbiome because we add it to water to keep bacteria from growing in there to kill bacteria. But the downside to it is it doesn't just finish its job when it's in the pipes coming from, you know, some municipal treatment center.

1:48:43It gets delivered into a microbiome where it disrupts oftentimes the elegant, beautiful, beneficial microbes that help fight disease and keep us healthy. So you're drinking 100 % of your water out of a bottle you got from Europe? I do. Well, not necessarily 100%. I go to a natural spring near me in Minnesota called the Frederick Miller Spring. You can Google natural spring near me and find different sources of natural springs. You go like with a bucket, Little House on the Prairie style? Yeah. And then for years, I was taking cowboy showers with these jugs of water and I would pour it over me because I wouldn't let, I didn't do my chlorinated water.

1:49:22But now I have a brand of water called Ophora that's a cold plunge and they take out the chlorine and it has super high levels of oxygen. so now i can take a bath uh in my cold plunge every day it's very interesting technology and uh clients get to try it out when they come to my to my houses or cold plunge so now no more cowboy showers for dr sean i lived in you know a suburban house and and for years then the police came was erect arrested for public indecency that was the end of the cowboy shower so i do love natural water. I think, you know, we drink way too much processed water. And another fun fact is it's an observation.

1:50:07I'm a surfer is I've never seen an overweight surfer that's heavy. And so the ocean water is one of the richest source of microbes that you can get. And when we were little children, we would get knocked out by wave and we'd drink that water. And you thought you were going to die, but you live perfectly fine. But the surfers are two things about them. They're lean and they're attractive. The men are attractive. Women love male surfers and males love surfer babes because they're hot. They're attractive. They're healthy. And what's going on there is not because of their exercise. First of all, I'm a surfer.

1:50:46It's the laziest sport in the world. You're only balancing for a few seconds. And then what happens? You wipe out and you drink the ocean water. And so it's the only population in the world that's intentionally drinking ocean water. Oh, man. Unintentionally, but forced to drink it. And so it's making this rich microbial contribution. And it's one of the richest sources of food that you can actually, water that you can drink comes right from the ocean. Wow. And so I do have my clients actually drinking intentionally small amounts of ocean water contributing to the microbiome. Oh, fantastic. And it adds diversity to your microbiome.

1:51:22But as a, like the rule is, the only things you drink in a day are water and coffee. Correct. That's it. I'm not drinking anything else. And when you go to a restaurant, you'll say, do you have San Pellegrino? I do. I ask for San Pellegrino. I'll ask for Gerald Steiner. If they don't have it, I'll drink an American brand like Mountain Spring or something. But I do not drink any chlorinated water. I once was talking to a head of state and I remember they're asking me, well, how long do I have to wait before? because they were taking probiotics to help increase their microbiome. They said, how long do I have to wait before I can start drinking tap water?

1:51:59And they're like, oh, my God, never. Forever more. You can never drink tap water because it's so filled with chlorine and it's just going to disrupt your microbiome. So you get one step forward and two steps back. Always think of your new life as you optimize as adding the most amount of beneficial microbes and the least amount of detrimental ones. So you want your lifestyle choices to be intentional about protecting your microbiome and trying to add to the diversity, You don't want to kill off all those good bugs you just created. Correct. By the way, we're sitting here and whenever I have a guest on this set, I'm always conscious of my posture because it's a two shot and I always want to, but one of the things you say is likely to happen to you on this diet is you actually will stand a little taller.

1:52:47Your posture could improve. of like you've seen that in yourself. I have. So I actually have a couple of pictures that I can show of how much my posture has changed over this period of time. And it's really interesting. And it's because as you lose this disease fat that's inside of you, the fat that's inside of your muscles, here's a picture of my posture. And it was just kind of an accidental photograph that I went back in years and caught this. but you can see my posture is curved in the photograph there with the shorter pair of pants on. And it's because you get this curvature of your spine as this fat that invades your muscles, invades your back muscles too.

1:53:32And so you get this curvature of your spine. And then look how much better my posture is today. And so - Markable. Now on the right, you look like the army colonel you are yeah and and it's not like intentional i stand i sit like a i don't know like an 18 year old um i'm always like that but i remember formally kind of being kind of hunched over and looking like some kind of a strange strange kind of figure but that that muscle uh becomes invaded with inflammatory fatty disease uh called fatty muscle replacement or my osteotosis muscle fat. And it's the same process you see in most meat that you buy in a supermarket, marbleized meat.

1:54:13And so I'm sorry, all the ranchers and a lot of people say that marbleization is what you pay for. Here's the ironic thing. Let me say it for the first time in a podcast. When you are buying prime meat, you're buying disease meat and paying more for it by choice. The only difference is less marbleization. It's the USDA grading. You don't want prime. You want choice. Oh, and it's cheaper. Oh, it's less diseased. And Americans are paying more. It's ironic that our federal government, USDA, under Secretary Rollins, she runs the USDA. They actually pay inspectors to go look at the level of marbleization and say that's high enough.

1:54:55It's got enough, really has enough disease in it that you could be able to charge prime. So the consumers are that backwards in their mentality. They're buying more diseased meat. And it's even worse with Wagyu. You're paying sometimes$100 a pound for the diseased animal. And these cattle, I've been told, can barely stand, much less walk. Oh, my gosh. They can't fornicate. They can't reproduce. Now, artificial dissemination is kind of a practice that's practiced a lot in the cattle industry. However, here's an interesting fact. I've never heard, I've read this, it blew me away, Wagyu beef. When the egg is fertilized, the embryo, they don't transfer it back into a Wagyu cattle.

1:55:39They transfer it back into a Charmaine because the Wagyu is not healthy. It's a different breed of cattle. And so the Charmains are not as diseased as Wagyu beef. Oh, gosh. Because the baby can't survive long enough in gestation, and the mother won't live during birth. And so they actually literally just use the diseased egg and sperm. Then they put it into a different breed of cattle. So you're not a big fan of the Wagyu. No, I'm not. What is there, other than looking for choice at the grocery store and grass fed, if you can find it grass finished as well, is there like a cut of beef that you recommend?

1:56:17Cuts that I like, typically if it's really grass fed or grass finished, or my favorite beef right now is plain view beef, which is grass-fed, sprout-finished. So they feed these sprouts that have higher nutrients to these cattle, and they get a higher level of omega-3s that get inside their meat. And that means the meat, their flesh, is more nutritious. So you get more nutrition for your money. So grass-fed, sprout-finished, plain-viewed beef, I sponsor them, but I don't get any money. I just promote them because I'm a physician. I don't want you don't have to pay me money to say something good.

1:56:55So I like that that particular type. I also like Piedmonties. I like white oak pastures and I like U.S. wellness. Those are all grass fed, grass finished ranchers. Providers, right. And they're right here in America. And on the cuts. And in ribeyes, New York strips, hamburger. If it's grass fed, grass finished, you want that fat. But if it's grass-fed, grain-finished, or just all grain, trim the fat off. Go with the leaner cuts like New York strips or fillets. Don't get the hamburger if it's grain-fed because it will be more inflammatory, higher levels of omega-6s, and just not as good. But grass-fed, grass-finished, or grass-fed, sprout-finished, higher nutrition, and you can get any cut you want.

1:57:43eat nose to tail, and you'll have a higher level of nutrition and be healthier. If it's just grass-fed, because most of us just go to the grocery store and it doesn't say anything about how it's finished, just says grass-fed, should we be eating the whole thing? Like is the fat in that product okay to eat or no? Yeah, it's better than no grain, no grass-fed at all. But here's an interesting thing. Like you talked about grass-fed. One of the things I've noticed when I eat grass-fed and grass-finished, that you extract a lot more nutrients in that. So take a picture. Take a look at this. So this is an interesting phenomena that happens to my clients.

1:58:27That is a yellow-green Mountain Dew. They put this color in because it creates a signal and makes you want to buy. It's a positive signal in your brain that that's good. Well, here's the interesting thing. When you start eating grass-fed, grass-finished, and you eat from us, I never told you this, surprise, surprise, that that jar on the left is urine. That's green, fluorescent green. That's crazy. That looks like a witch's brew. And you'll start peeing a fluorescent green when you eat grass-fed, grass-finished with a healthy microbiome. Really? So my clients are all waiting to pee green, and then they get in the client group, I'm starting to pee green.

1:59:07And then I've done this a hundred times, Megan, when I go and start eating grain, because sometimes my boys would come back from Texas A &M and I'd have to hit Costco. I mean, those kids are eating a lot. I'm, you know, military family. So we'd go buy a lot of steaks at Costco and green urine would disappear. And then when the boys would go home, go back to school, I'd eat the grass. The green urine would come back. And so the reason is, is heme. Heme is present in higher country. H-E-E-M? H-E-M-E. So H-E-M-E is higher in grass-fed, grass-finished meat and lower in grain-fed. And vegans don't get it.

1:59:46So vegans don't get to pee green. They don't have this really attractive - I know, they're missing out on it. Yeah. But it really turns on your microbiome. So the degree of your microbiome adds to your ability to do that. And one trick, if you're listening today and you wanna try eating, getting this green pee, and I call it the ultimate bioflex, like you ain't nothing unless you can pee green, is to take it from a piece of meat. You take grass-fed, grass-finished liver because that has way more heme in it. And you eat that liver and then you have a higher concentration. I do. How do you prepare it?

2:00:27So I have a little interesting way of doing it. I take it and I blend it for 10 seconds with water. I know. And then I add a little kefir and I shake it up. So I add a little ferment to it. Yeah. And then I usually add a little brine and shake it up. And then I eat it like a little kid. Drink it. I hold my nose. Yeah. Because it tastes like iron. And I drink it in one shot down. It's like 10 gulps. I get that liver. And two hours later, I'm peeing green from that grass-fed, grass-finished liver. When we went to Scandinavia, we went to a farmer's house for a lunch with the whole family and I don't eat fish.

2:01:06I just don't like it. I never have. And it was all fish. We forgot to ask what the menu would be. And I was like right on the water in Norway. And it was all fish, which it was like, okay, fine. I was making my way through it with a polite bite here or there. And then she brought out this fish that was like in the shape of a bell. I don't know. It had been like formed and it was fried. And one of my kids asked, how did you make this? And the mom, This Norwegian woman, stout, sturdy lady, was like, oh, we put the whole fish in the blender and we just blend it up. And then we use the cookie cutter thing to make the shape.

2:01:44I was like, is anyone else sweating? I think I need to step outside. Just the thought of a freaking blended fish. I was like, I'm not sure I'm going to make this. Anyway, blended livers, not quite that bad, but it's up there. You should have shared that with Chevy Chase for a new vacation movie. Yes, it was that level. All right, let me go through a couple of other things. I know I'm jumping all over the place now, but I only have another 40 minutes with you, and I want to make it count. Steve Krakauer, our executive producer, wanted to know, is there any way other than the MRI to figure out what your visceral fat is?

2:02:24Yeah, great question. So the other way to visualize visceral fat, and by the way, the only ways to directly visualize it is by either an MRI or CT scan. So a lot of people will report that their levels of visceral fat are X amount because they do a DEXA scan. So let me just say, DEXA is a technology that's completely incapable of directly visualizing and measure visceral fat. What it does is it looks at overall body fat and it does an interpretation through algorithms that's based on your weight and what it sees in fat and your muscle. And it extrapolates what an average person would have. So it doesn't really measure your visceral fat, doesn't image your visceral fat.

2:03:14You can't see it on a DEXA scan, but you can on a CT and MRI. Well, what's the difference between CT and MRI? MRI is better resolution. You can see it more. And CT, less resolution, and it also uses radiation, and the MRI uses magnetic field. So I have my clients using safe magnetic field non-ionizing MRIs. They get a better image. And by the way, the clearer you see this disease, the more your life changes. So you've got to see it. And the MRI, like, it's going to be about 2 ,400 bucks. About 2 ,400 dollars. It's not cheap, but it's not. That's a full body. I thought it was going to be 10 times as much.

2:03:59Yeah, it's a full body, 2 ,400 dollars from ProNuva, where we sent you to. They're the best in the country that I've ever seen for capturing. The imaging is the best and how they do it. And can I tell you, it was quite pleasant. I was lying there. It wasn't uncomfortable at all. You know, like one time I had to have an MRI on my shoulder and it was so uncomfortable because your arm has to be back like this for prolonged periods. It was just lying, you know, supine. And they gave me the little eyepiece, you know, this thing like this mask over your eyes. And I watched The Gentleman. You could pick your show on Netflix or what have you.

2:04:33It was very pleasant. They had good snacks. They had delicious coffee. They're really good. It was very nice. Yeah, they got it down, the best science, the best imaging there, and they also standardize it. So I sent all my clients there, if I can. Now, some clients are in foreign countries, although they're also in Dubai and some other foreign countries, London. But you can also, instead of just getting a full body scan, you can just get an abdominal scan. And abdominal scan frequently will capture at least some of the heart so you can see that fat. Listen, you have it. You have visceral fat. If you can't afford the MRI, just know that you have it and you have to do something about it.

2:05:12I mean, really, The odds of you not having it, I think, are pretty slim if you've been eating any processed foods or your regular American diet. And we hope to get the price down. If America starts tracking visceral fat, the price will come down through scales of economy. Okay. And so I think there's a future that it's gonna come down cheaper. Okay, so that's, we're talking about her diagnosis. Again, forgive me for jumping around, but I wanna hit all my points. I didn't ask you about your lunch and your dinner. We just did the breakfast. Yeah. So my lunch will oftentimes be just a different variant.

2:05:44I will have more meat. Sometimes it's a completely different meat. So I might go from ribeyes just to New York strips, or I might start doing massive amounts of hamburgers. So I take hamburgers. I don't make patties. I take the square hamburgers and break them in half twice so they're squares. They're nice and thick, and I grill them. I like it medium rare to rare inside. And I'll eat tons of those. I'll eat like 12, you know, three pounds of hamburger, put some cheese on it and all my ferments. Only the cheese that was approved. Yes. Only, you know, I had no Velveeta. Aged cheddar, you said? That was a new one.

2:06:24Aged, aged. So it's just old cheddar. Or like the grocery store has that? So yeah. And it will oftentimes be on a label. We'll say aged like one year, aged six months. The older, the better, the more fermented. If you don't want to do all the ferments all over your plate because you're rushed or whatever, is it okay to just have the cheese in the burger because the cheese is the ferment? I mean, a little bit, yeah. And sometimes, honest to God, I have to do that because I only could get like one. I'm going somewhere on the move. I'm going all over the place. So sometimes I can't get fermented vegetables, kimchi.

2:07:01Now, Asian markets are everywhere all over the world. But sometimes you can't get it and you can get cheese. And so I at least will eat the living cheese with my meat and get it in that way. That improves it. Okay. So then we get to the dinner. Now you have sometimes a chef who helps you. You don't eat with the chef every night. But I have to show the audience a bit of this video because I had hope reappear in my life when I saw this video. It looks so elegant and so lovely and inviting. I was like, oh, okay, because at first I'm thinking every meat forevermore, I'm going to have a hunk of burger and like a bunch of sauerkraut.

2:07:38That doesn't sound like a life. And then I saw this video and I started thinking about it very differently. Let's play some of what Dr. Sean's chef prepared when he had a guest over. Every fruit on here is fermented and every nut or seed, anything that I use is always fermented. On the bottom, you have a pumpkin kibasa with a little bit of sour cream. I actually took the barbacoa sauce and then fermented that. So it's guajillo chilies, pasilla peppers, and organic tomatoes. And then you have just a sprinkle of a lava salt. And then you have a Piedmontese picanha and then New York strip. And ribeye.

2:08:30Yum. Looks delicious. Everything's fermented other than beef. Absolutely. None of that is not fermented. It's all fermented except for the meat. And my chef is exquisite. He's the best in the world that I'm aware of with fermentation. He's got to do a cookbook ASAP. He is. He and I are writing a cookbook. Good. The Living Diet Cookbook. Oh, good. So we trademarked that name, The Living Diet. So we'll do that. And I'm going to have a white coat on mine, the Dr. White Coat. He'll have a chef coat on the cover. I like it. And we'll launch it. But yeah, he's great. He works with my clients to make sure that they can eat well.

2:09:07You can eat super healthy and super delicious. A lot of people like you were afraid initially that if you're going to eat healthy, you're going to have to dive down into a world where it's not palatable and it's not sensational. It can be every bit of the delicious meal that people are eating right now. Only these meals actually make you better instead of diseasing you. And it looked elegant. I mean, I would be happy to serve that at a dinner party. Back to the bathroom. You talked about the urine, but we didn't talk about the number two because I did see what you said about this. I don't know.

2:09:48Maybe it was New York Magazine or the Wall Street Journal. I can't remember, but it was very funny. And I'm just going to read what you said. When you start eating healthy, you don't need toilet paper. Animals in the wild have no residual stool on their anus. He described a proper bowel movement to me this way. Odorless, wipe-free, over in three to seven seconds, and nearly orgasmic. That's a bridge too far. But could you just explain, so everything's going to change in the bathroom? Yes. So you're only as good as you defecate and as you pee. So your biological functionality really is a marker of how healthy you are.

2:10:34So over the thousands of clients I've worked with, they're able to defecate so much better. They overcome constipation. And they have a stool. Oh, we have a picture of the stool. It's not a real one. It's just a graphic. But they do teach this in medical school. And this is the Bristol stool chart. And what you want is stool like four, the number four that's pointy. And when you have pointy stool, you don't have residual stool on your anus. And animals in the wild don't need toilet paper because they have a healthy, functioning anus. And your anus is a marker of how healthy you are. and when you toilet trained your kids you taught them to wipe and you said mommy says to wipe daddy says to wipe and there was nothing on that toilet paper because their little anuses and their gas intestinal tracts were so healthy and so what happens is you have a rectum it fills with stool the stretch receptors get triggered it tells the the host the organism to start moving towards the bathroom you're gonna have a bowel movement your anus is on the outside it's actually folded in and as you have a bowel movement it opens up and comes unfolds and there's a little tiny hole that creates that little tip on the initial part of that stool little tiny tip and then it opens up to a preformed kind of a distance it kind of it's like a supercomputer you have a normal shaped stool and then when the stress receptors relax it starts a program to close it perfectly and that's why a healthy stool has points on each end.

2:12:10And when you wipe, there's no stool. So I tell my clients, my report card is how well this works in your report card. Eventually you won't have to, you won't have any residual stool and you'll have these ghost wipes where you wipe and your, your anus is super out. Now, when you are having a stool like that, you're running, you're sprinting, you're standing, you're enjoying life to a new level. You're having sexual relations with your spouse, like whole way better level of living than you've ever lived before. And yeah, the fact that we, and COVID, everybody needed toilet paper because we were so diseased.

2:12:47So I often tell my clients, you're going to make this up, come in and work with me. And the amount of money you're going to save in toilet paper alone, you know, for the rest of your life. So yeah, how well you defecate, how well you pee is an expression and a marker of how healthy you are. And not only that, but you also mentioned like in the bedroom for men, you should expect potentially better performance because you got the whole blood flow going. You got like better circulation the same way I could see your vein pumping in your arm. Yes. So blood flow really is, is all over your body. So your genitalia is, you know, really should be a biomarker of how healthy you are, but you don't want to take a pill to be able to achieve an erection.

2:13:26if you're a male, you want to have a lifestyle that allows you to have a super healthy erection. And what we have noticed, and it wasn't taught in medical school, I have this conversation in urologists, is when clients get a much healthier erection, they report this little teeny bounce that started out. And then the bounce would get bigger and more prominent. So there are these 60-year-old males no longer need Viagra or Cialis. They get a fantastic erection. and this little bounce eventually turns into this big bounce. And just imagine 50 ,000 years ago, before there was a sacrament of matrimony and marriage and things, there'd be males walking around.

2:14:05They would get an erection. The maids are waiting in some watering hole would be attracted to that male with a big bounce because he had better perfusion and better genetics, and he would hunt better. You'd see that bounce. You're like, this guy is going to provide some massive woolly mammoth meat to me. I'm going to live well compared to the person with like a little teeny bounce or no bounce at all. And it's just like drooping down. So that blood flow is key, but not just to your genitalia, to your brain, to your liver, to your heart, to your muscles and to your skin. So health is your whole package.

2:14:47You know how well you look. So these little attributes are just part of the biometrical expression, but it's the whole body. Okay, so the other piece of it is outside of eating, there's exercise, and then there are lifestyle things. Like you mentioned cold plunge, which you like. You love sauna. You told me I should go in the sauna every day, which I will and I have been. Ideally dry sauna versus infrared, 20 minutes if you can do it. Sweat. You want to be sweating. and you have maintained on social media that the better shape you get in with the eating program and everything, the sooner you'll sweat.

2:15:25So I believe that because I'm not a good sweater. So I will be. You will be. But can we talk about the exercise? Because if you go to Dr. Sean's Instagram, you're gonna see he's ripped. There's a lot of shirtless videos of you on there. And you say you only do five minutes of exercise a day. I do. So explain this. Yes. So the bottom line is we have exercised incorrectly. When we set up this study to get rid of chronic disease for the National Science Foundation, we studied, we forgot the science because it's not working. We're falling apart. We study what goes on in nature. They have no visceral fat, no heart fat, no muscle fat.

2:16:05So how do they exercise? How do they eat? We copied those things and we put humans into doing those tasks. So how do animals exercise is they have bites. They sprint, fight or flight. You may be a journalist, but biologically, you're a hunter-gatherer, and the way you always exercise our species is fight or flight. It's not chronic exercise. I'm sorry, but not chronic exercise. We get our clients to stop doing durational exercise. It's fight or flight. It lasts about one to five minutes, and then it's done. It's a big fight or a big sprint. And so we get our clients to save gobs of time. Most of them are like senators or governors or high-level executives.

2:16:50They love the fact that we save them time instead of having to go to a gym and work out for 30 to 45 minutes a day. We get them sprinting for a few seconds a day and doing push-ups and pull-ups and lifting weights. And the ROI on that is phenomenal. We see that fat disappearing on MRIs. We see the fat leaving in their legs and their skeletal muscle. We see the fat around the rectum disappearing through maximum intensity exercise. So the bottom line is everybody else is lifting wrong, exercising incorrectly. It's fight or flight. That's how you're meant to design. And it's recovery period. And so that's why we do that.

2:17:32If somebody goes outside today, now I know it depends on how old they are. but how, what does a sprint look like? I mean, and you were saying, don't do it on your treadmill, do it out on the road. So we, yeah, we believe in nature, but first before anybody thinks that they can go exercise with a belly full of visceral fat and do a sprint, uh, or lift weights, they got to be medically clear that disease set you up. The more disease you have, the more likely is you're going to get a strain. Think about, uh, a deer that's at its end of life. It can still sprint. It looks good. You probably wouldn't even be able to tell it's an old deer.

2:18:10You sure can tell an old human because of the amount of chronic disease they have. But that visceral fat can set you up to have an injury when you start sprinting. So you've got to ease into this. So I have my clients start eliminating visceral fat, work with our, I don't really call them coaches, or work with our executive consultants or biological consultants that work with people to help them get started into sprinting and lifting weights. So you want to be medically cleared. You want to ease into this. Start eliminating your visceral fat and also improving the inflammation in your visceral fat.

2:18:44Before, even as your visceral fat is going down, the very characteristic of that fat is going down and it improves your performance as that happens. So just a little bit of visceral fat reduction dramatically changes people's faces, their bodies, and their level of performance. So what does this typical sprint look like? Typical sprint that we have people do is about 10 seconds, maybe 15 seconds long. Start slow and slowly accelerate because the acceleration is where the injury happens when you're first accelerating. And think about this in the wild. Like people, like I got all these athletes attacking me when I said you want to be able to sprint that animals in the wild sprint.

2:19:27if animals are grazing and they go from zero miles per hour to 60 in like no time flat there's no warming up i mean yeah humans have to warm up because we're so diseased but that's not your ideal state your ideal state is to be standing and suddenly gunfire and or car coming towards you and you can sprint out of the way we've all seen those videos of the the fat guy can barely get out of the way you know gets clobbered because they can't react fast enough in nature that's how you get eliminated from the gene pool. In humans, you want to have a capability of reacting instantly, very quickly, not needing to warm up.

2:20:05That is your optimal state that you want to get to. So that's where I work with clients so they can react in a nanosecond to any kind of a threat that's going on or a tough question. When you're a litigator, you're handing somebody on a stand, you're cross-examining, you can react very quickly because to the extent you can react physically, you can react intellectually. So physiology and cognitive capabilities go together. So 15 seconds, you'd go out there, assuming you've built it up to this point. You go out there, 15 seconds, you start off slow, and then you go full bore. Full bore for 10 to 15 seconds.

2:20:43And then you rest for how long after that? And then you, usually I try to get people to rest until their shortness of breath goes away. And by the way, I've yet to see any form of exercise gets you more short of breath in 10 seconds than a sprint. I mean, I can go get a gigantic barbell and put as much weight on it as possible and try to lift it for 10 seconds or even lift it for 10 seconds. I'm not as short of breath as I get in doing a test because you use so much muscle. So you wait until it comes back down and then you do another, like how many of those, or you just keep doing it until five minutes are done.

2:21:16Yeah, you do. I'll do it over five minutes. And actually my best favorite thing to do is to do about six sprints of about 10 seconds. And I do it over the course of eight hours. Every hour, you know, when I'm doing productions, when I'm doing admin, I'm reviewing scans, I'm working with clients, I'll go out and do a short sprint. And I have - Wait, one sprint? One sprint. Or you do the five minute thing every - I'll do 30 seconds, six every hour, a 30 second sprint. Wow, okay. Bless you. Excuse me, and I mix it up. And then executives, when they open up a report and the KPI and the company is doing bad, drop and do pushups or go out and do sprints.

2:22:0015 seconds. Yep. You just jacked up your cortisol. And what's killing Americans is unrecovered stress. You just tolerate it. But I have told people that go into the White House Situation Room. Do pushups in this Situation Room. Do pushups in your boardroom. When life happens, answer the stress that you get with some brief, intense form of exercise. And that's how you get rid of stress that is otherwise causing disease and ultimately can lead to your early demise, deteriorate your face, your health, your performance. So you look at poor Senator Mitchell today. Stress from being McConnell, the majority leader that he had for that period of time.

2:22:48You accumulate all this stress and it causes cognitive decline. It happened to Joe Biden. So politicians, business executives, chairmen of the board, singers, performers, journalists running shows, you meet, you get stressed. You've got to meet that stress through recovery, doing some kind of form of intense exercise. But it doesn't take a lot. And so in studies, antelopes, when they get attacked by lions and tigers, when they're before the attack, their cortisol is going up. The lion and tigers are milling around. Those antelopes are restless. They're moving around. But when the attack happens, they're sprinting.

2:23:24And the adrenaline and the mild kinds that get released lower your cortisol. Now, durational runners, they're out jogging. And when they jog for a long time, it raises their cortisol. They stop jogging. They go back to their house. They're drinking water. The cortisol stays elevated. When you do a sprint, many studies show you don't even bump the cortisol up in a short sprint, but if you do enough, it will go up. And then when you stop sprinting, it goes down, ready for this, lower than when you started at sprint. So that's how you improve yourself. What about, how do you get muscles? I mean, you're obviously doing more than sprinting.

2:24:02When you sprint, if I could only do one thing, I couldn't lift weights. I couldn't do anything else. it would be a sprint. So what happens, like this guy who's, example, the best MRI scan with the best, the biggest muscles that I've ever seen inside a core, this guy right here at the bottom, all he did was sprint. He did nothing else. He was a one-trick front. What about for your arms? Because you need - It causes mild kinds that produce your arms. And when you sprint, you're using your arms. and so i learned this when i became a researcher i put blood flow restriction bands on my arms and i realized when i added those in i got much more short of breath so megan you use your arms like crazy in a sprint really think it's just your legs but that's why you get so short of breath in a sprint and so you want to be sprint if you could only do one thing you want to be able to do sprinting, but do other things, pushups, pull-ups, and lifting weights.

2:25:03For how long? Like if you're doing pushups just to the point of exhaustion or what? To exhaustion. You can't do any more. Until I'm praying to God, ask me to do one more. Dear God, help me, help me. I go right to sheer exhaustion because that's how you fought. When you were fighting for your life, you don't say, oh, I think I'm going to stop and die. No. If you exercise in that manner with that level of intensity, you produce a higher level of myokine, which tells your body to do things, burn deadly fat and produce beneficial muscle. And so that's why we get great results. We got 10 minutes. So we got to, we got to tear through these last things.

2:25:40You say kids can do this. Yes. Talk to your doctor. He won't like it. But because I was saying, you know, like my, my teenager, how's he supposed to do it? He has to go into school and eat at the lunch counter, which is definitely not going to have ferments and grass-fed beef. Yeah, so lunch counters oftentimes in schools have very poor levels of health. But look at these kids, even kids can do this. So these are two different MRI scans on these kids. But look at their faces. They have inflamed looking faces. So this is happening, visceral fat is accumulating. We have the permission to show this.

2:26:15We do. This family came to me and they want this. And in fact, this was shared with very, very high level people in our government. But look at their faces, how much they changed. So their thin little pale lips become big and red and healthy and their eyes become healthy, their faces. This is six months of eliminating visceral fat by working with their mom and dad. And by the way, both sets of grandparents did this together. The entire family, 11 of them came to me. They caused me a lot of, I was doing a lot of sprints those three days trying to scan 11 of them and then sit down and go through all of them.

2:26:53But when families do this together, they get even better results than a single individual. What do they eat at school lunch? They eat meat and they also bring firmness. Now, these kids happen to be homeschooled. So they're homeschooled and so they have a little bit of advantage. But I'm working, trying to work with a school. I can't quite say, but it's a school that... Sorry. that was in the news. And we're going to get this diet into that school. In Minnesota? Oh, no. Yeah, we're going to do it there. The Catholic school that was the subject of the shooting? Yeah. Oh, that's terrible. Yeah, they approached me.

2:27:32So we're going to do it. Oh, God, bless you, Sean. And they approached me, and they want to be a model for the rest of the art diocese in the rest of the country. So it's such a great thing. I can't wait to tell Secretary Kennedy that story. God bless you. Yeah, we're going to help those kids. Yes. And so they want meat and microbes. They want to do this. So I'm just so excited. For the audience, the pictures are remarkable. They're little boys who they look maybe six years old to me, seven. And their faces are completely like shrunken in the second picture in a good way. Like their bone structure has come out.

2:28:10Their lips have come out. Their big eyes are more beautiful. Like it's a remarkable difference. Okay, I want to keep going. Can we talk about the dental floss? I mean, I told you about, I floss obsessively. I'm a big flosser. And you were like, stop doing that unless you're going to rinse with ferment brine afterward. I'm like, what? Basically, I got to go downstairs and grab the pickle juice, keep a little jar of it next to my sink or the sauerkraut juice or apple cider vinegar and what? So you want a variety. So think when you floss, you disrupt, you like abrade those tissues and you're perturbing the skin and you're opening up your immune system.

2:28:57And so when you just leave it open, other pathogens from your tongue, biofilms can get in and these travel to your gut and to your brain. And we found that it's associated with dementia. But what we have our clients doing is flossing, perturbing those immune systems, opening them up, and then rinsing, swishing around with fermented brine, which adds beneficial microbes and metabolites. Brine is just the juice of something spent fermenting. Just the juice of kimchi, fermented sauerkraut, fermented carrots, even yogurts and kefirs. So do it like a mouthwash. Swish it around in there and spit it out.

2:29:33Yeah. Don't use antiseptic mouthwashes within 15, 20 minutes of using like Listerine or some product like that. You actually raise your blood pressure. It perturbs your physiology. But adding in these ferments is the way to go and will significantly improve your oral health and your overall health. You are a big proponent of sleep like every doctor on earth. But you have a recommendation or two for what to do when you can't sleep and how to improve your chances of falling asleep and staying asleep. Yeah, so the healthy you are, the better you'll be able to sleep. But one big problem people have is - Just not for nothing, but last night I slept like a baby.

2:30:12And I have sleep problems. Yeah. Night one. I don't know if it's like psychological, but like a baby. The microbes help you sleep so much better. They really involve in the production of melatonin, the microbiome. Nothing will improve a human being more than getting visceral fat. And the way to do that is optimizing your microbiome. That's the strategies we use, focus on microbiome. But you also like to take the lights down and do like these Himalayan salt lamps. When you have lights that are from LEDs, It's like eating processed foods. So what you want are incandescent light bulbs or light that goes through pink Himalayan salt with a natural red rather than like red glass.

2:30:53A lot of people doing like online influencers recommend red incandescent light bulbs. Just getting pink Himalayan salt, the natural color tones that get the good Lord and Mother Nature made and have that. And it's like a campfire. You put that on in your living room. All over our house. It's campfires. Every room, we have these pink Himalayan salt lamps. And when I travel, and people like senators and governors, very high people, they have these incandescent light bulbs and these pink Himalayan salt light bulbs. And it's a glowing red when they travel. And they sleep so much better. Wow. Getting rid of the light pollution.

2:31:31It's not going to work for kids who have to do homework until the wee hours of the evening, unfortunately. No, but you can at least get them on incandescent light bulbs. And it cuts out the blue spike. They can still see. So go back, buy incandescent light bulbs. There's a great company called Strainless Lighting. Thanks to Trump. We can get those again. I don't have, yeah, thanks to President Trump. I don't have any affiliation with Strainless Lighting, but it was a college kid. He's genius. Strainless? Strainless, so no strain. Okay. Strainless Lighting. He knows he couldn't sleep in his college dorm room.

2:32:02He got an incandescent light, and he started sleeping better. Now he launched this company, sells these little lights with incandescent light bulbs. Absolutely love these lights. I've given them to cabinet members and senators and stuff to have these lights when they travel. It's a little small thing you can put in your suitcase. And so incandescent light is beneficial because it has a blue spike and it doesn't flicker. These lights going on and off with LED lights flickering cause inflammation and disrupt your melatonin and disrupt your physiology. And you also say if you do wake up in the middle of the night, rather than tossing and turning for 20 minutes in the bed, what should you do?

2:32:41Yeah, so people that have that, oftentimes they're getting a cortisol spike. And so to eliminate that, if you get some, particularly fasting can make you crave a little more carbohydrates, want to wake up. But if you take some probiotics or drink some kimchi brine before you go to bed, you'll sleep through that and you won't do that. If you still wake up, you could have a little teaspoon of that kimchi brine, you know, is non-caloric and a little non-chlorinated water, and it'll ease you right back into sleep. Wow. So that's a little tip. Your microbiome is your most underutilized asset that almost nobody's taken advantage of.

2:33:23And that's why it's Wall Street Journal, you know, New York Times, the Times of London, the Financial Times. All of these, you know, stories are picking up, and it's just spreading. What are we not anticipating? What makes people quit? Well, I think a big problem is bad microbes. They have in them that war against them getting healthy. Here's the thing. I'll just come out and say it at the risk of alienating the audience. The microbes you have in you, where they reproduce and what their mission is, dictates what they're going to do in you. And so if they live in you and reproduce in you their full life cycle, they're helping you they're creating metabolites to help the host organism but let me ask this question what happens if they can't complete their life cycle in you but only in dirt there's something like toxoplasmosis that can only complete its life cycle in a cat well they cause rats when toxo gets in them you were told when you were pregnant to stay away from cat litter boxes.

2:34:30Toxo causes a rat to lose its fear of a cat. And it literally walks around very prominently so that the cat sees the rat, catches it, kills it, and eats it. Because the Toxo drives the rat to die. So this is a way of saying what? So what it means is your microbes, wherever they complete their life cycle, influence whether they're going to help you or hurt you. So the ones that need to complete their life cycle and the soil may be harming the host to kill the host to get it into the dirt. So don't go on instinct is your point. No. Do not go on instinct. Well, you want to get the very best microbes in you that complete their life cycle inside of you, and that comes, the best collection you can get that I can think of comes from fermented foods.

2:35:18All right, we've got one minute left. So far I feel kind of heavy in the stomach one day into it. Is that unusual? No. Very often when people change their diet, start adding in fermented foods and eat more meat, their microbiome needs to adjust over a period of time. So just take it as an indication, great things are happening inside of you and great things are coming. I can't wait to report back on the bathroom, the bedroom, the street in front of my house as I run like the wind. There's a lot to do. I'm actually excited to try it. And I love that you gave us all this time. and thank you so much for everything you've done for me, Sean.

2:35:57It's been a pleasure getting to know you. Well, thank you for being a brave American. Have me come on your show, sharing it with the audience. It means so much to me and I'm so grateful. Ah, to be continued. This is the beginning of a beautiful relationship. I hope so. Check them out. Is there a website, Sean? Yeah, you can find out more from me, drseanomara.com, D-R-S-E-A-N-O-M-A-R-A.com. Awesome. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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