The TRUTH About Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds, Potential CBS Lawsuit, and Russini Scandal, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1313

27:53And now look at it. This is the updated one. It's gone. Royal photographer Chris Jackson was recently let in there and posted the pics on his Instagram story. He has removed the wedding photo of Ms. Mark. You know that's driving her insane that the king no longer wants to look at her whiny face while he relaxes in his home, Maureen. I just wish he would remove the titles. I just wish he would remove the titles. That tour of Australia, you know, and then they set up, clearly, I believe, I think Meghan has many friends over at People magazine. They were on the cover of People, which usually hits newsstands on Wednesdays.

28:39And that was smack in the middle of Charles and Camilla's state visit here. It's always something, you know, it's just, I just wish they would just sever it. It's just sever that tie. What did you make of the fact that she clearly was not invited to the Met Gala, even though Lauren Sanchez Bezos was co-chair, whose BFFs with all the Kardashians, who, you know, Meghan likes to pretend are her friends, even though it was their party, Kris Jenner's 70th, where she threw her little hissy fit over being photographed without having signed a release. And when you and I talked about how she was clearly just upset that her husband was caught leering at Kris Jenner's bust.

29:22In any event, I did think it was interesting that they clearly didn't invite her because she'll show up to anything. I mean, literally. Oh, she was dying for the invite. The reportage was that she was convinced as recently as days before that the invite was dropping in her email inbox any minute now. Oh, God. Any minute now. And so imagine her. I like to think of Megan watching our Nerve Met Gala live stream. Yes, it was excellent. Thank you. We had so much fun doing it. And, you know, watching, again, a convention for the worst people in the world. Tina Fey said that one year, she said after having gone, that it was like, imagine yourself in the center of a room full of everyone you would like to punch in the face, that that's what it feels like in there.

30:06Yes. And, you know, all of these terrible people, Blake Lively, she's one of the absolute worst, in my opinion. Megan is too radioactive for that crowd. Katy Perry got an invite, notwithstanding the fact that she's currently accused of sexually assaulting somebody and under criminal investigation. Come on in. But Meghan Markle, it's a no. Lena Dunham, dog dumper, falsely accused a man of rape in her memoir, wrote about molesting her little sister in her memoir. Come on in, Lena. Come on in, Jay-Z. Hasn't said a word against his old pal and business partner, Sean Combs, of many, many, many years.

30:46Jay, come on in. And you know what else? Bring in your 14-year-old daughter who won't take off her sunglasses, even though you have to be 18 to get in. You talked on our show about one of the events you went to, one of the Met Galas, where you walked into the room and saw Sean Combs dry humping a Kardashian. Yes, it was a wall of Kardashians and influencer models. And yeah, he was definitely humping one of them. I saw it with my own eyes. And nobody was using the bathroom, just not for nothing, but nobody was using it. They were all smoking cigarettes in the Met bathroom, which is disgusting and dry humping one another.

31:23And then Doug walked out of the men's room where he's he had just seen two men who shall go nameless for purposes of this story. But big Silicon Valley types who are snorting cocaine off of the. Oh, that doesn't surprise me at all. So very nice, very classy crowd at the Met. Oh, and this year, on top of that, agitators had put Poland Spring bottles filled with urine all over, like next to priceless works of art, in protest of Jeff Bezos. Because as you know, Amazon workers have very timed bathroom breaks and a finite amount of them per day. And even Amazon drivers, their time is tracked so that they don't get bathroom breaks.

32:06They have to resort to using plastic bottles. It's ridiculous. So that was a big thing, too. And again, Megan is still not wanted there. Right. You know, it's like she's still too toxic even for them here. So we mentioned Beyonce and Blue Ivy, the 14 year old who she took with her to the Met Gala. Here they are as they're arriving and the Vogue, because of course, this is Anna Wintour's Vogue announcers fawning over them. Watch this. A regal royalty right there. The feathers, the diamonds, the headpiece, the poised, beautiful face. Oh, Beyonce. The queen. How's it worked? Wow. Do you see blue behind her?

32:51Yeah. Wow. Mommy-daughter duo. No, it's very, very cute. How long but the hair is. It looks amazing. I love that Blue is like in this I own everything mode also. I'm obsessed. Together. This is warming my mother, my like mommy heart. It's not warming mine. I love that Blue is in her like I own everything. Okay. Her parents are Beyonce and Jay-Z. She literally does own everything. And therefore, it's not a virtue for her to be telegraphing with her body language that she's king of the world. She was born into it. In fact, what would be laudable would be some humility and possibly something approaching a demure projection.

33:45But she's not capable of that because all they've done for her since she was born, Maureen, is try to make her an independent clicks generator. From the day she was born, my team reminded me that her dad, Jay-Z, released a song, Glory, which earned her a Guinness World Record for being the youngest person to have an entry on a billboard chart. Time dubbed her the most famous baby in the world. Carter made her feature film debut in 2024 in Mufasa, The Lion King, as a voice actress. She's also one of Beyonce's backup dancers. We have some video of that. Hold on. Let's watch it. Here she is. She's walking out.

34:29You'd be forgiven if you thought she was 27 years old. I mean, it's all an attempt at sex appeal, super tight pants, super tight top, you know, the over the top gestures. It's a lot what they're doing to their daughter, Maureen. And it's it's not the daughter's fault. It's their fault. You know, this is so disturbing on so many levels. There's no way this kid is having like active real schooling. They are building this monster. We're all going to be suffering many years to come. But it does remind me of Willow Smith, daughter of Jada and Will Smith. And Will and Jada were pushing her for a long time.

35:10She had that, she had like a hit called, it was like I whipped my hair back and forth. I forget what it was called. And then they wanted her to audition for something like what Blue Ivy had done, but not voice work, like screen work. And Willow said to them, listen, how about I just be 12? Wow. And I love that. I love that because it does show that even at that age, there is a self-awareness. And she later come out and declare herself one of the weird sexual, like pansexual, she did. Listen, you grew up in that house. If you get out alive, kid, like good for you. So it's a win. It's a win. Also, like, how is Blue Ivy the most famous baby in the world?

35:52I thought, I mean, I guess in that year or that month, you could say so. Let me tell you something, whether she was or she wasn't. Jay-Z, he's not, I mean, honestly, is he really talented? I do think he is. He's got New York State of Mind. That's a great one. I can't name another song by Jay-Z, but of course, I'm a little out of it. It's okay. I'm a fan. What I think he's great at is marketing. Beyonce, her songs aren't even that good. Sorry, I don't like them. Like one or two here or there, they're fine. She's not like the premier artist of our time, but you would think she was watching her at that.

36:25Look, she came in like she actually was a queen. Oh yeah. She's got way more Grammys than like the Beatles. Somebody just did the list recently and she was like triple what our most talented artists are when it comes to award winning. It's him. He runs a marketing machine. You first unleashed it on Beyonce to make her Queen Bey. Okay, whatever. And now they're doing it to their own child. And this Met Gala appearance was part of it. Yeah. And again, like just what you and I were just talking about in terms of what actually goes on inside that thing. Who in their right minds thinks that that's some place for a 14-year-old to be?

37:04And also for the adults in that room who paid anywhere between$100 ,000 and$350 ,000 to be there. They don't want a kid there either. It's an adult party. where adult things are supposed to be happening. It's true. You don't want to censor yourself or have to watch yourself, especially at that price tag, because Jay-Z and Beyonce had to bring their little monster that they're building. And they won't. So she'll just go to the bathroom and see dry humping and people snorting coke because it's such a classy event. See, can't you see the class right in front of you? Yeah, so they weren't the only ones who did this.

37:37Nicole Kidman. She brought her kid. Sunday Rose, is that her name? That's her name. Yet another Nepo situation. Sunday Rose Kidman Urban, 17 years old. She went as well with her mom, who was a co-chair. And honestly, it's like, save some room for your child to grow into these events. You know, like, what does Sunday Rose have to look forward to now? What if Sunday Rose becomes a star in her own right and would like to get to the Met Gala via an independent invitation? Well, it's too late. Mom Nicole has already dragged her everywhere on mom Nicole's arm. I don't know. I think like the inappropriate showing of your child at an event where you know she's going to be on camera in front of millions and have her fashion critiqued and have her body critiqued and have her face and her hair and makeup critiqued.

38:30is not such a great thing for a 14 or a 17-year-old girl. Well, Nicole has been using her considerable star power to leverage a high fashion modeling career for Sunday Rose. Oh, Lord. Who really wants this. She has walked for major designers. I think she walked in Paris most recently. She got the cover of Elle Australia. And I am sorry, but this girl is not a model. and if you love fashion and you love curated highly stylized images like that is a cover that belongs to somebody else I'm sorry this girl is not a model and she's being shoved in our faces and Nicole and I wonder too how much of the divorce has to do with this of like overcompensation you know oh is this what you want like I'll get it for you maybe just spend more time with her instead of doing every like Hulu, Amazon, Netflix project that like gets thrown across your desk.

39:31Literally with Nicole Kidman. She's an everything. Yes, maybe spend more time with her. Not at the Met Gala, at home, across the dinner table from one another, actually talking about life. Maybe that, try that. Same for Amy Griffin, by the way, who was also there. The one who clearly, we've talked about her, clearly, very clearly stole stole another woman's sexual assault memories and tried to pawn them off as her own recovered memories after using mdna um and got a best-selling book the tell out of it which we now believe were lies and not only that they made her one of the time 100 which is such a joke for what for what her recovered memories which as it turns out per the new york times appear to have been stolen from a girl from the wrong side of the tracks and now she shows up to at the met gala of course which is just, you know, her money could buy her entrance there in a year.

40:25But again, her husband's money, her husband's money. There's nothing again. We have people at this Met Gallup between Amy Griffin and Lena Dunham, two people who have leveraged false accusations, it seems against men in print and then propped up by the mainstream media industrial complex. Amy Griffin has been propped up by Oprah Winfrey, by Gwyneth Paltrow, by Reese Witherspoon, by the Today Show. She's swanning around like she doesn't have a care in the world. She's a psychopath. This guy that she's accused is an actual man living in a town where everybody knows who he is. He's a pseudonymous in the book, but everybody in town knows who he is.

41:13Mr. Mason. She doesn't give a shit. She doesn't care that she took what should be considered most sacred, another woman's recovered, sorry, not recovered, another woman's sexual assault as a minor child. By the hands of another teacher, by the way, it should be clear, not Mr. Mason. Correct. Stole that, appropriated it for herself, and then shrouded it all in recovered memories brought upon by a guided MDMA trip so that if she's ever accused of making this up, she has the convenient excuse, well, I was high out of my mind. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't realize. But honestly, if you read that New York Times article, which is very telling, it's just the old phrase.

41:57It talks about how she went. This is a woman, Amy Griffin, who's married to the richest man in New York, and they have billions. And she wrote this book, Gattel, a couple years ago, claiming it all came back to her, how she was raped repeatedly by a teacher, Mr. Mason, in Amarillo, Texas, where she grew up. One of the richest girls in town, one of the most privileged with an intact family. Those are not the girls this happens to. Sadly, they always pick on the weak girls from families that are broken up because they know that they don't really have a solid home life to go home and complain about it to.

42:28But in any event, she claimed it happened to her. And then the New York Times started doing a deep dive on her after the nerve raised questions about whether any of this was true. And not only did they seem to echo your concerns, Maureen, but they actually found the girl on the wrong side of the tracks, who's now an adult, who then later came out and said, not only are these my memories, but she met with me recently, right before she published the book, like a two-year period before. And she said, hey, let's both sign postcards to each other. Let's grab a postcard from this little cafe where we're having our coffee.

43:06And I'll put my address on the one that you send, and you do the same for me. And so I sent her one, you know, per her request, which Amy Griffin then uses in the book as evidence. She allegedly believes that like another Me Too victim reached out to her. It's all such a web. Anyway, this is a long way of saying she was there. She's at the Met Gala. So she can come. And none of those people, not Oprah, not the Today Show, none of them. Gwyneth has done any cleanup on this story. even after the New York Times gave her the double barrel treatment. First, the original takedown piece, and then the second one pointing out that fact about they found the woman and that postcard and all that.

43:50Nothing. They're like, come right in. And none of these so-called reporters has even atoned for putting her on question free. It makes you wonder just how much money Amy Griffin has given to Gwyneth, you know, in any round of funding for Goop. Has she contributed to Oprah's media empire in any way? I mean, it really makes you wonder, again, and Oprah especially, who has said repeatedly that she is a survivor of childhood sexual assault. Yeah. This flies with her. This is okay. Yes. Right. Exactly. Like, then show it. Why don't you prove it? Okay. Any other thoughts on the Met Gala? How about Lauren Sanchez Bezos?

44:32She looked bummed out to me. And I think two things were potentially going on. Jeff did not walk the red carpet with her or the green carpet because the reporting was he was surprised there was a backlash. As if Blue Origin didn't tip him off last year, that those of us who are still earthbound will not you and me. We don't brag. We've been. We've been. If you know, you know. But so there was that. And then it looked like Anna Wintour did get her hands on her because, you know, in the hours before the Met Gala, Anna always hosts a press conference to say there's a Met Gala in a few hours, as if we don't know.

45:09And Lauren was looking very somber in this, like, vintage John Galeano. She was looking somber. Because the neckline was up to here. And it looked like her undergarments were, like, minimizing. So she can't fully express herself. Yes. You know, her bodaciousness can't just reach 11. And I think she felt like she was hemmed in and like she was having to hide her light under a bushel. Well, did you happen to see I think it was the Times, right? Wasn't it, Steve, that did the long piece on her, which we read in great detail live on the show. And the last segment of that interview covers her absurd outfit at the inauguration.

45:50Remember, she showed her boobs. She was right behind President Trump. They moved that inauguration indoors because it was sub-zero temperatures or close to. And she had on the bustier, the white lace bustier, with her enormous breasts spilling out the top and a very low-cut white blazer. And she actually tried to spin it to the times that she was really proud of her outfit as, like, demure and appropriate. You know, but then it got moved inside and oh, she was just shocked, shocked that her outfit became a story, you know, and she said, got it. Don't wear lace to the inauguration. No, not it. You could wear lace.

46:38Don't show your tits. It's a little known rule. Maybe only we reporters get it. You're not supposed to show your boobs at an inauguration. We saw everything but areola. And now she wants to play it off like, whoopsie, it was just a little lace that happened to peek out because I was unexpectedly caught going inside instead of outside on the inauguration day, which, by the way, we all knew the day before that it had been moved inside. My favorite shot for that entire thing was Mark Zuckerberg standing next to her going like. They're all children. Again, as you just said, reporters would know, Lauren Sanchez began her career as a reporter.

47:21True. Good point. And then she was a helicopter pilot for a Los Angeles, a major affiliate out there. She was married to one of the most powerful talent agents in Hollywood, Patrick Whitesell, who has represented the likes of Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, I believe. The idea that she's this fawn in the woods. And then she begins an extramarital affair with Jeff Bezos and allegedly reportedly had it leaked to the Inquirer because Jeff wasn't moving fast enough with the divorce. You know, she's a fawn in the woods. She had no idea. You're a woman. I'm a woman. We know how it feels when we get dressed and how things fall on the body.

47:57I know when my boobs are out. You know. Yeah, I know when my boobs are out. I don't really have any, but you know what I mean? It's like, you know, you're very sensitive about that stuff. And so just admit it, just be like - At the inauguration, when you're right behind the president? I'm an exhibitionist. I like attention. I did not get enough hugs as a child. Give me more attention. Right. Honestly, it's all tied together with what she's doing to her face. You know, it's like a lot of people have plastic surgery. We were just talking about Jane Fonda the other day because Ted Turner died. Their relationship was fascinating.

48:31I'd love to spend a minute on that. But of course, I infamously asked her about her plastic surgery and she took issue with it, which she talked about many, many times. But she's had great plastic surgery. She looks amazing. You know, she's 88 now. She looks spectacular thanks to the many faceless. But whatever she's doing, it's working for her. I don't think, though, that Jane Fonda – I think Jane Fonda is vain, which that's fine. I'm vain too. But she looks great. Lauren Sanchez is vain and it's gone another way. She's more to me, somebody who's obsessed. Here she is side by side. Is this before and after?

49:07Yeah. Well, no, she's already had some work here on the left. Try to find one of the younger pictures of her, like really younger, because she was really cute when she was younger. She was very pretty. No, no, no, we'll keep looking. But look how prodded she is and look how much filler is in the face now. She's one of those people who's become like an addict, I think. Yeah, I know. It's sad. It's sad to see. She's carved herself up. She kind of looks humanoid, not human. Yes. Do you remember the cat lady? Yes. Jocelyn Wald-Lewinstein? She's giving cat lady vibes. It's sad. I hate to see it because you're right.

49:43She was very pretty when she was younger and before she sort of got on this billionaire track. I just think the billionaire track is weird for a woman to choose. It actually has the opposite effect on every woman. Instead of women becoming more beautiful because now they've got access to billions, they become very weird looking. She's not the only one. You know, I think of like Elon Musk who's impregnated like at least 500 women. You know, it's like, it's just all very weird. Is it 500? I think it's gotta be. Listen, by the time his obituary is written, it'd be like thousands. I mean, like if you don't know who your dad is or if you think it might be Elon Musk, you should definitely have like tests before you have sex with a stranger who's your age.

50:25Oh my God, you're so right. Especially you're going to be running in this sort of milieu. It's a little scary. It is a little frightening. Yeah. But so anyway, no, I look at her and it is to weep. I mean, I think, you know, Kris Jenner has had better work. She looks good. She does look good. Now, she also felt it was necessary to address us all because she does not like the reports that her facelift has been slipping. Didn't she just have it? Yes. How could it be slipping already? Well, she's also on Ozempic, Megan. Oh. So, you know, we may have some contraindications. There's a lot going on. It's a lot.

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53:23Maureen Callahan is my guest today. Check out the hit Maureen Callahan show, which is called The Nerve. It's part of our MK Media Podcast Network. Just go to podcasts wherever you get them or YouTube and type in The Nerve and Maureen and it will come up and you should subscribe to both. I reminded myself during the break, there were two things about the Met Gala I did want to get to. Speaking of the terrible, terrible people who were there, Eileen Goo, that nightmare from the Olympics who was all about herself. I thought you liked her. No, I hate her. Really? Yes. The girl with the zebra-striped hair?

53:57No, that was Alyssa Liu. Oh, sorry. Eileen Goo was the nasty skier. Can we pull over John Cassio's favorite soundbite of Eileen Goo, the butted soundbite, if we can find out what a terrible person she is? We'll get that. But in the meantime, take, I mean, her dress was, I'll say this, it was interesting. It was a conversation piece. And I'm not sure it was art, but watch this. Sot 4. Literally wearing art. Today I'm wearing Iris van Herpen. It is so special. This look is all about bubbles, obviously, but it's about whimsy and it's about a play on time and reality and permanence. So there are 15 ,000 bubbles on me.

54:36They are made of glass, which is incredible. 2 ,550 hours of work. Insane. It's about time and permanence. Somebody gave her that line, obviously. and this was the person who was at the Olympics who she skied for China. Oh, right. Even though she's American. One of her parents are Chinese nationals. She sold out. She got offered a bunch of money to ski for China and she took it. And then she was lauded by all these woke magazines here in the States. It's like, oh, good for her. It's like, what do you mean? She's skiing for China. Alyssa was offered that opportunity because she had a Chinese dad and said, no, I'm not doing that shit.

55:15I'm American and I am skating. ice skating for the United States, and she didn't get anywhere near the same kind of coverage and treatment. But this is why we don't like Eileen Gu, among other reasons. What I just said and this. Watch. I'm so proud of how I've done this Olympics. I joke, I'm not a betting woman, but if I were, I took a big gamble this time because I chose to do three events knowing that I hadn't trained half pipe in two months, knowing that I would miss the half pipe training. I'm an introspective young woman. Like I spend a lot of time in my head and it's not a bad place to be.

55:47The fact is I get to become every day the kind of person that me at age eight would revere. Like I would be obsessed with me today. Are you kidding? I would love me. Global beneficial impact is like my central theme. The fact is a rising tide raises all boats. And so this is also good for every other athlete competing regardless of what country you compete for. She's given Gayle King astronaut vibes there. I wish she had more belief in herself. She's had a little more self-confidence. She could get there. She could do it. Doesn't she? Like, I inspire everyone. I would have been a huge inspiration to me.

56:22That's right. Again, Blonde Origin, Meghan Markle with love, Meghan with a Y. It's all about me. It's all about me. So we did a little segment today on Bill Maher, no matter what kind of conversation he's attempting to have on his podcast. It always comes back to his porn consumption and his masturbatory habits, literally. But there's this thing going on with like Gen Z and it's weird. It's like two things. One is like the phenomenon of this younger generation just actively not having sex. Like they don't want it. They avoid it. I know. It's very weird. And a kind of narcissism that I don't think we've seen.

57:03I mean, when you think of the greatest athletes America has produced, I mean this, she's like, Like I'm so great for not preparing and losing and stealing a slot from some kid who doesn't have my leverage. You know what I mean? Good point in China. Right. It's so insane. Good point. It's true. You didn't even know her name. You were like, who? I did not know her name. I thought, you know, it's Alyssa and Aileen, right? So I got confused because I saw now Alyssa. Alyssa we love. She's the one who's got like, again, that great like punk rock hair. Yes. She's so herself. She did it her way. I just love her.

57:41Yes. I love her. And was very self-deprecating and like gave the credit to others, like her trainer. Not like this bitch who's like, I inspire everyone, most especially me. My eight-year-old self would love me. I would revere me. Who talks like that? Okay. So she, that's what gets you an invitation to the Met Gala. And one other person I wanted to mention. So we all felt uncomfortable when we saw the black transgender, quote, woman. That's a lie. It's a man. with quadriplegic cerebral palsy at the Met Gala. It was a little awkward. Everybody was wondering what's happening here. Who is this person?

58:16Like, I guess good for them. Was this the Ashley Graham interview? Yes, Erin Rose Phillip. Now Erin goes by Ariana. It's a man. Okay, it's a man. It's confusing because there's a lot of boxes checked in this particular. I didn't even clock that because this reminds me of Anna Wintour is dying. This is not what Anna Wintour wants on her red carpet. or her green carpet. Now, look, I'm not making fun of this person because they're in a wheelchair or has cerebral palsy, but I am going to make fun of this absurd soundbite. When you didn't understand, like, what is this person doing here? And they've been signed to elite models.

58:52I think it's elite. No, stop. Okay. All right, sure. Now we get to listen to Aaron Rose Phillip talk about himself. And do we have that soundbite? This is what he had to say. When I first started working, I was an anomaly to the industry, arguably in many ways today. Really, I still am. I think it's time to say the choir part out loud. The fashion industry is unlikely to book or pay black trans feminine and or physically disabled models to do runway, editorial, and or campaign because of an absence of whiteness. What? Okay, I'm just going to go right back to, do you remember when Dove tried to do their all-inclusive ad campaign?

59:41Yeah. It didn't work out for them. No. It didn't boost sales. In fact, I think it hurt their sales. This is not what people are looking for. You have to know your lane. Yeah. You have to know your lane. But that appearance at the Met Gala reminded me of there was an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm, like at the peak of wokeness, where Larry David goes in to pitch something to Netflix. Yeah, I think I saw this. Do you remember this? And he goes into the room and there's like a black person in a wheelchair and a trans person and somebody else with some sort of like unusual thing happening physically.

1:00:16And you could see him try to hold his tongue, which for Larry David is impossible, but kind of like, what's, what is this? Like, I thought this was just a pitch meeting. What did I just walk into? Yeah, yeah. Look, the thought that you would find yourself confined to a wheelchair with that kind of debilitating cerebral palsy, and then on top of that, declare yourself a woman when you're a man, just to layer on yet another challenge in your life. And then when given the opportunity to give a TED talk on the things you've overcome, to blame the absence of people like you on runways on whiteness, on whiteness, that's what he said at the end there, is a testament to how fucked up and sick we are today in this country.

1:01:05Like, that's going to be your message. You're not going to be, like, thankful that you're here giving a damn TED talk. And then, of course, he I guess he got signed by elite. Maybe it was before. Maybe it was after. Maybe he guilted his way in. Either way, it's it's a kindness that they gave to this guy. Obviously, there's no designer who's dying to show their clothes on a trans quadriplegic wheelchair. But look, these are just the truths. And instead of being grateful, he's bitter. and by the way, he's trying to co-opt our sex by claiming he's a she among as many other special boxes checked. The whole thing is absurd, Maureen.

1:01:42It's absurd and he's bitter, still bitter about whiteness. Well, I'm sure this person will get a book deal. Great, okay, and it won't sell. Okay, forging forward, this Diana Rossini, Mike Vrabel situation. Oh, yeah. There is an update. So she is the former ESPN, now former New York Times sports reporter. She was with the offshoot of the New York Times, The Athletic, that covers sports. And he is the current coach of the New England Patriots. And it seemed to be very clear that they were having an affair based on pictures that were recently published of them at a Tony Sedona, Arizona retreat, holding hands and very familiar in the pool.

1:02:27I said to the audience at the time, there's nothing, not like a naked shot of them in bed together, But if I ever saw Doug holding another woman's hands or in a hot tub, frolicking that way, he'd be dead. Not actually dead, but yelled at and probably divorced soon. But I have to think it over because I really love Doug. I don't know. Yeah, it really is hard. You wonder why Mike's wife hasn't just put his clothes out on the lawn in a funeral pyre. Oh, I was thinking about why Diana, because there's breaking news on the Daily Mail today. I don't know if you saw it. Yes. About Diana. About the pregnant trip she took?

1:03:03Yeah, she was like seven. No, no. Oh, it's even worse than that. Okay, not worse. It just gets more and more worse. She was seven months pregnant and they went out on a boat that they chartered together for two or three hours, she and Mike. There's video of it. This is, again, from 2020. So it comes out that this alleged affair, they're denying it still, has been going on for at least six years. She was pregnant with a baby and named her baby Mike, which is his name. Here she is with her pregnant belly, 2020. Okay. I've covered a lot of sources. I've never gone on a, like a, a little boat trip with them while I'm pregnant, while I'm wearing shorts and like bare feet.

1:03:39Who would go out on the open water with a man they don't know very intimately? I don't know. What woman? I tell you, because it's, you're putting yourself at risk. Yeah. It's a very vulnerable. Ask Natalie Wood. Oh my God. And ask Lacey Peterson. And ask that reporter. Remember, do you remember that reporter who went out, like she was in Norway or something. She was doing, she was reporting a piece on a guy who was like either a submariner or he was a, he was a voyager and she went on his boat and she was not heard from again. And the authorities began investigating and boarded that boat and he had murdered her and dismembered her.

1:04:16So like, you see that and you're like, they're together. I'm sorry. Yes. The Daily Mail this morning has a report that she was, She was doing a Zoom like during COVID with a bunch of other reporters. And that coach, Mike, was in the Zoom Brady Bunch box. Oh, wait, we have this. Oh, sorry. OK, well, I'll play it and then you take another back. And it's a family. It's a fake family feud segment. She's in one of the boxes. And so is Mike Vrabel. OK, Diana, what is something you might close your eyes to do when you have sex with your husband or wife? Again, this is from Family Feud Kids. But yeah, she answered.

1:04:53It's done. That's the one. It's done. You have to take the answer. Hit him out. No. Okay. Okay. So I think that's Mike there with his head in his hands. Yep. She also posted to Instagram something like, you know, if I had married, if I had married, I married, she said something, I married boring. I married mediocre. Yeah. If I had married somebody beautiful, I'd be overposting all the time. If I had married somebody exceptional, I would be posting all the time, but I didn't. Average, she's there. Yeah, she's disgusting. And but so it made me wonder, you know, again, I think the last time I was here with you, we were talking about what's Brian Gnome's kink?

1:05:38Because this was before the bimbification thing. Oh my God. Like sitting behind her. My Lord. At the thing, you know, everybody. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I wonder if the husband's got something. Oh, like he likes to see her with another man? Or he's got some sexual fetish that like he's like, that's great. She's preoccupied over here. He can do what he wants over here. Because it doesn't make sense at this point. Yeah. Why aren't they both announcing divorces? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It's honestly, it's like if you found out your spouse was having an affair, allegedly, for six years. and also that she had her baby, your baby together at a time when she was having the affair and your son is named after the affair partner.

1:06:23Now she's claiming, oh, her brother's named Mike too. Oh, sure, sure. She named him after her brother, not her affair partner. Whatever. What man would stay? She's actively humiliating him for years. When she got engaged to him, she was reportedly having the affair with this guy. Even if my question is, is that child his? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Everybody wants to know that. Is that child his? And the Daily Mail had a great photo of them kissing on their wedding day, and she's leaning back. And it's not like a passionate kiss or a warm kiss. It's like, let's just touch the surface of our lips to each other and get this over with.

1:07:02It's very, very curious. And it seems to me that she has always wanted Coach Mike, but she had to settle for her. She says, oh, my husband's average. She's like an executive at Shake Shack. He's not a bad looking guy. He's not a bad looking guy at all. Seems like he's a great father, you know? And she's out here, like she's getting off on humiliating him. Her kids are going to hate her. As well, they probably should. Yeah. Like the husband may forgive this behavior. I don't know whether he will or he won't, but the kids are going to hate her. There they are together. They're going to hate her for humiliating their dad over and over and over.

1:07:38Like you emasculate and humiliate a boy's father over and over and over, and he will loathe you. You have a lot to answer for if one word of this is true, Diana. Again, they both deny it. There's an awful lot of photographic evidence suggesting they've been in love, she and her affair partner, alleged affair partner for some time. Which leads me to Jane Fonda and Ted Turner. So Ted Turner died this week, lived quite a life. He died at 87. He had been diagnosed with Lewy body dementia about seven years ago, 2018. So yes, eight years. So he had a rough last decade or so. But what a titan of industry and of America.

1:08:24Just, you know, you look back on the life he led. he apparently had a very abusive father when he was little, like very, so abusive that Jane Fonda said when he told her about the abuse on their second date, she burst out into tears. Yeah. His, his father apparently beat him and abused him very badly, but his father was in the billboard business and Ted eventually joined him. He, I think he failed out or dropped out of Brown University. Ted did. And then joined the family business and turned one thing into another. And then had the idea for 24 seven news station, CNN, because he got home from work at seven o 'clock and there was no more news.

1:09:05So simple, right? Like my husband, Doug was saying, so simple. Some of the best ideas come from just like the simplest thought, you know, like guys were like, I see a problem. I'm going to solve it. And, uh, CNN was later born. It was, of course, it's still going to this day. Of course, it's not what it used to be, but it was, there's no question. It was a hugely great idea, changed the way we consume news, changed so much about America. There wouldn't have been a Fox had there not been a CNN and so on. But they got married. So he had two earlier wives with whom he had his children, two with one and three with another.

1:09:37Then he meets Jane in 1991 and they got married. They had a 10-year marriage. He was a huge sailor. He won the America's cup and was so competitive that he one time was racing against one of his earlier wives who was also a sailor. They met sailing and she was about to beat him in some big race and he rammed his boat into hers. I mean, like, God, yeah, like, like, and I think if memory serves, like actually like her boat was sunk or something happened. But in any event, very competitive. They they all got divorced. He meets Jane in 91 and she's 54 years old when they get married. She looks spectacular.

1:10:15You won't be surprised to hear because let's not forget after her career in movies where she was stunning. You watch The China Syndrome. She's stunning. Then she goes on to become an aerobics guru. And so she's got a rocket bod to this day. I have to say she's hashtag goals in this department. She marries Ted Turner. He's this swashbuckling sort of amazing, strong, successful, crazy, like interesting man. but he's got a serious problem with women. And I guess he's driven by this insatiable lust that he cannot get past. And even though he's just married a spectacular Jane Fonda, he cheats on her the first month.

1:11:03This is from a long piece that Jane gave an interview for, which I think I read in the New York Times last night. It was either the Times or the Journal. But in any event, he cheats on her within the first month of their marriage and never stopped, was cheating all the time, was insatiable. She used to talk about his quote, nooners that he would happen. Oh God. They refer to when he was forming CNN and he would sleep at his desk or in like some room in the office. And one morning came down at 4 a.m. with like early morning news staff with Raquel Welsh on his arm. He was so thrilled to show off that Raquel Welch and he had slept together.

1:11:42She was in a robe and so was he. But while married to Jane Fonda, never stopped screwing other women. And all the while she said, and she's had very nice things to say about him, but she was talking about the downsides of him and why the marriage didn't work, was crushingly insecure and needed to be built up all the time. And he needed mothering by her. And she was just exhausted. She said she really didn't find herself until that marriage ended 10 years later, even though she now, and for many years thereafter, would refer to him as her favorite husband. She's got a few too. And it all sounded so complicated.

1:12:19And then he later said, after his divorce from her, he had four women. He had 26 homes, Maureen. I mean, obviously one of the richest men in the world. He had four different women in his life, and he would spend a week a month with each one at the different properties, right? And so there are women who are living like this, who are like, sure, I'll be Ted Turner's second week of the month girl and I'll have access to all these millions or billions and this wonderful mansion, maybe like the Arizona one is mine, the one in Belize is another one's. And just painted this very complicated, interesting picture of him and frankly of Jane Fonda too.

1:13:03Well, Jane Fonda had a really rough origin story as well. You know, her mother committed suicide when she was a teenage girl. Her father, who America believed to be this incredibly warm fatherly figure, was very cold and distant. On Golden Pond, I think she has basically said was very biographical for her. You know, he played this very, you know, it was Catherine Hepburn and Henry, I think I must've seen that movie like a hundred times as a kid. They played it on HBO on a loop. Yes, they did. They totally did. Right? And so she's got this very, and you know, she was prior to that, she's had several husbands, one of whom was Roger Vadim.

1:13:42Now she and her, she has a doorstopper autobiography that I have yet to get to, but I have been dying to get to it. She writes in that book about how he forced her or really insisted that she engage in threesomes. And I think that men at this level, I think it's, I would love like a longitudinal study of men at this level, because it sounds like an outlier kind of behavior, but you're talking about this and I'm thinking about like JFK, who had women everywhere all the time compulsively, like a sex addiction that also I think, I truly believe that womanizers do not love women. They don't. Women are there to scratch an itch.

1:14:29They are interchangeable. I mean, Megan, could you imagine hundreds of women all over the world? Like a beautiful movie star who is an entrepreneur and very smart herself isn't enough for you. But you need this arm candy so that shareholders think you're a stable human being. That's like I was thinking about Tiger Woods. And he's still doing it. We know, you know, as I just mentioned, Elon Musk and this compulsion to make sure that his DNA is populating the earth to like a Genghis Khan level. You know what I mean? You've got to wonder what makes somebody like that tick. And the ways in which, I mean, I would love to know the real story about Bill Gates and Melinda's divorce.

1:15:17Oh, she clearly loves to know. She can't stand him. I mean, you hear her talk about him now, and she's got nothing but disdain for him. Obviously, he was romping around while they were married, and it's like... But wasn't he also having a very long-term affair with someone high up at Microsoft? Someone who Linda would be in board meetings with? I mean, it wasn't enough that he was catting around on her. He had to humiliate her in that way. With like Epstein and friends. With the Epstein, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You mentioned womanizers are no fans of women. That's an ultimate irony and true.

1:15:56I wanted to bring up something about Bill Maher. Yeah. Because I know you've been unsparing of Bill Maher on the nerve, and I'm very entertained by the whole show, as you know, including that. Thank you. But I've been in the past defensive of Bill. I've also been on the attack against Bill at various times in my career. When I was much younger, I used to say he strikes me as a misogynist. I used to say that. And then he started having me on and he treated me well. And I was like, all right, well, if he's a misogynist, why does he keep having me on and treating me well? Like I'll take him based on his behavior toward me, you know, which has all been very positive and respectful.

1:16:32And something interesting happened between the two of us within the past, I don't know, four months. So I've never been anything but nice to Bill Maher since I've known him personally. I've been very cordial to him. I've had him on the show many times. Well, once or twice. And I've been on his show a few times. And he was one of the first, Maureen, to run to his microphone and call me an anti-Semite because some small contingent of the neocon group started to call me that because I don't know why. They just started calling me that because I wouldn't defund Tucker Carlson is really what led them to call me that.

1:17:11I've never said anything anti-Semitic in my life, nor do I feel any anti-Semitism, of course, at all in my heart. Literally, my best friends are Jewish. But anyway, that's all it took, I mean, for like Ben Shapiro to go out there and like say, she's a coward at that Turning Point event in December. And that's it. He ran to his microphone and on his show actually said, I was an anti-Semite. And gee, it's amazing how this thing is like lurking right behind the screen for so many of these people. You know, just like that. She turned and she's an anti. So he's a hypocrite because he does his whole anti-woke thing.

1:17:54You know, like I don't like these labels. Who are these perfect people, he said, when he had me on after the whole blackface controversy. I don't like what they did to you. This is so wrong. They want to tar and feather you. They call you these names and it's so wrong. It's a virtue signal. It took him two minutes to do that to me when his favorite issue came up, right? And I have to say, it made me think back to like all the misogyny claims against him. I'm like, would he have done that to a man? Was he too quick to jump on board the anti-MK train because I had humiliated him a couple of times that, let's face it, both on my show and his, because he wasn't prepared.

1:18:36He didn't have his facts about Hillary Clinton or about Donald Trump. We've had very infamous viral exchanges and he hasn't done that well in them. And next thing I know, I mean, a second later, that hypocrite turns on me and actually fucking has the nerve to use the anti-Semite term on me, which is a damn lie. and if he bothered to look into it for two minutes, he'd know that. Anyway, I just thought, as usual, Maureen is right. Oh, I'm sorry. I don't enjoy being right in circumstances like this. This is the thing with a guy like a Bill Maher. You know, like his show to me is a throwback to like the kind of shows that would be popular.

1:19:15Like I feel like the 70s was the last time where like pop culture and kind of intellectualism mixed and you would have people like a Christopher Buckley on a Dick Cavett with like a John Lennon. Dick Cavett was great. And everybody would smoke and drink and bat around ideas and like public intellectuals were on the cover of Time. And his show used to be like that. Now he kind of has just like this sort of rotating lazy Susan of predictable guests. And, you know, they're going to say, and, you know, it bums me out because his show used to be spikier than it often is. I feel the same way. He often will come to the table, not terribly prepared.

1:19:50Not at all. He has more male guests than female guests. Yeah, probably for a reason. And the female guests he has often seem a little bit cowed by him. Or he'll talk to them in ways he just doesn't talk to male guests. Like he'll roll his eyes at a female guest, and he would never do that to a male. But I just love – I love that Bill – it's so funny when he says something like, it's just lurking behind. You know, Bill's podcast is just about Bill's perseverations on not getting laid in high school and college. I think that's really the root of his misogyny. I mean, he's super, super proud of himself that his girlfriend is something like 40 years younger than he is.

1:20:31Is that Al Pacino's sloppy seconds? Is this the woman I'm talking about? I don't know who she is, but he's pretty quick to tell you that he's dating somebody that much younger than he is. I mean, he loves that fact. so again like how how pro women so on his podcast this most recent one we did he was like he was um castigating the women of la for thinking that they could approach a bill maher and expect to level up by dating him and he literally says you know what you're not that special all you have to offer is you're cute and you're a dime a dozen and why don't you try cracking a book and it's like where's this guy looking for women like on pornhub yeah there's a lot of very smart not grinder that's a whole other color that's how you look for women right that's that's no that's for gay men yeah but uh you know but i'm just saying i he's he's not it's not like he's looking he's not a ted turner looking for even if it's you know in some ways cosmetic i'm sure their relationship was real on many levels the fascinating thing about ted and jane i was thinking about it this morning they both have said that they were like the loves of each other's life yes i would bet they really did connect very deeply on their very broken childhoods.

1:21:42Yes. And them being sort of - And she sounds like she was willing to mother him. Oh, yeah. She knew he needed it and she was willing to give it, but it was never enough. Like no matter what she gave him, he was still going to philander. And she's a strong, proud woman. At some point, maybe you can't look past it. She clearly tried, but after 10 years, let's face it, after that point, you're at the point where you're either making a deeper connection or you're splitting, you know? And it sounds like she looked around and said, this is too exhausting. He's just, he's not worth it. Or too humiliating, or he got somebody pregnant.

1:22:16Like something happened where like, you just cannot come back from it, you know? Or he got caught maybe with somebody under, you just never know with these guys. Because it's never enough. Like the dopamine hits, they stop hitting. And I think that's why we see so much like truly scandalous behavior where they're ramping up. they're constantly pushing boundaries and almost like daring the culture to catch them. I don't know. I know so many women over the course of my life who really think it's the be all end all to bag a billionaire, to land a man with a shit ton of money. And I know some men who have a ton of money, who have been out on many, many dates and so on.

1:22:59And my, one of them said it best when he went out with one of these women, he said, she felt like she was looking for a solution. And I was like, that is such a good line, right? Like she's not there for you. She wants you as a solution to her problems. No one should marry somebody who's looking for a solution, right? Like, it's like, you should be marrying somebody who compliments your life with whom you get along, who stimulates you intellectually and physically and all that. But I swear, if these women would just look for somebody who would treat them well, who had some modicum of mental health to start with, and who would treat them well and fell in love with them, not because they could compliment their life or not because they had stars in their eyes over them because they were these rich, successful men, I think these women would be so much happier.

1:23:48I don't think aiming to marry a man with money is a good aim at all, I think it will actually really make you quite miserable. Oh, I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. Honestly, the idea of marrying a billionaire terrifies me. I think that is such a big, different kind of life with a whole kind of apparatus around it and like ego. And I don't know. I just, I think that the healthy reaction would be to say, to step back for a moment and say, is, is this truly for me? Like, could I handle this? Like you get folded in, you don't get, You don't join in a partnership. You're going to be absorbed into an ecosystem that's preexisting.

1:24:24And a billionaire has like a very specific kind of mindset. And of course, I'm not trying to paint with a broad brush, but I'll never forget years and years and years ago, I was at a party and I didn't quite understand what was happening until it clicked into place for me. It was a man I knew for a long time. I didn't know that this guy had any necessarily romantic designs on me. And then flash forward to his divorce, had a party at his new place, invited me. I went, I thought, oh, my friend is having a party. I didn't quite understand the wealth that he came from. Like, I didn't know about it.

1:25:05He didn't advertise it. And when I learned about it, that was something I liked. I was like, oh, he doesn't advertise it. I still wasn't interested in him in that way. But at a certain point in the evening, my conversation with him was interrupted by another man who was basically like, it's time now. And there was a line that formed all the way back to the back of the townhouse. And it was young women. Come, shake hands, make eye contact. Okay, you go. Here. Here comes the next one. It was a parade of potential contestants. And I was like, I was young. I was like in my 20s. I was like, wow. Like that was something I had never seen before.

1:25:45And I was like, there's a level. I saw behind a little bit of a curtain. You know, I don't, I'm not gonna say who this is, but there is a very, very well-known power broker in New York who continues through his assistant to ask me to come and be part of some sort of round table group that gets to ask him questions over a meal. And I continue to say, no, thank you. I'm not doing that. If he's ever coming through Connecticut and he wants to meet for a coffee, I'll consider it. But I'm not going and joining some harem of media people for the privilege of asking him a question. There are lots of people who would love for me to ask them many questions.

1:26:31They come on this show and I give them my platform and we have a great time. But what the hell, like the level of hubris of some of these big swingers, you know, in New York or in California is kind of galling. And they have only too many people around them who are willing to play right into it. whether you're the one who lines up the harem to shake the hand at the end of the party, or you're the one who plans the dinner parties where the treasured guests may get the privilege of asking one question of their host as they, I guess, listen for the rest of the time to the host ramble on about his thoughts on life.

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1:30:41Maureen Callahan, host of The Nerve, is back with me now. We've got a couple of good ones to get to before we go here. Don Lemon spoke to Kara Swisher at some summit over in London, and wait until you hear what he said, Sot17. So Kash Patel wouldn't survive a Lemon administration? Cash Patel would not, Cash Patel, nor Pete Hegseth, nor Pam Bondi. Well, you outlasted her. Yeah, I know. None of those people would ever be in a Don Lemon administration. It would actually be on meritocracy. All right, away from this ridiculous speculation, would you ever consider running for office? Yeah, I would. I would.

1:31:24I don't know why. Yeah. Wow. But you're going to go right to frigging president? Well, why not? Why not? All right. I mean, I'm a man of a certain age. I've been around long enough. I've worked hard. You laugh. I know people laugh, but I'm a completely self-made person. I did not come from a wealth. I did not have$400 million to start. I've made it to the top of my profession, and I've also started a business, and I'm a self-made millionaire from a country where my ancestors were enslaved. Oh, my Lord. Could we be that lucky? Do it, Don. I believe in you. Do it. I just want to salute Kara Swisher's bravery in sitting with Don Lemon, since as we know in the world, according to Don, women are past their peak.

1:32:14Yeah. At 50 something or prime. So, you know, it's kind of it's just it's just this whole little ecosystem of these people just buffering each other constantly. You know, oh, Don, you totally have what it takes to be. Are you going to go straight to president? Well, I guess why not? And Don, who, you know, slightly before his firing, I'll never forget this image of him at New York Fashion Week. And he was standing in the center of a bunch of paparazzi. And he had like his camel$2 ,000 coat hanging off of his shoulders. And he was holding up both hands to show off his bejeweled fingers. And he was a CNN anchor at the time.

1:32:53It made it to the top of his profession. Did you? this guy i again the delusion i love it and also very rumored reportedly to be very handsy out in uh where he's got a home in sag harbor married though he may be apparently there's no shortage of male wait staff out in sag harbor who've been accosted by the one and only don lemon reportedly here's the other thing like he he makes himself sound like trump right like self-made millionaire, although Trump received some help from his dad. But he hadn't just sat at a cable news desk, which is near as I can tell is all Don Lemon has ever done. He didn't have some career before he went into journalism.

1:33:35He just sat at the news desk and tried to look pretty and didn't do a very good job of it, was very dumb on the air. Everyone knew he was the dumbest person there and kept advancing because he kept reminding everybody he was black and he was gay, which worked for some time until it didn't, and now thinks that those things qualify him to run for president. So in any event, he's wrong. Donald Trump had built a fortune. He had built an empire. He had a casino. You know, he was a casino magnet. He had a line of hotels. The Trump name was ubiquitous in America. He also hosted the number one show for 10 plus years on NBC, not CNN, primetime cable, but, you know, The Apprentice, which was all about moneymaking and businesses and so on.

1:34:15In any event, just because Trump did it doesn't make it easy, right? Trump has like a weird, savvy gift for politics and messaging and marketing and how to reach people. Don Lemon does not have these gifts. So he's diluting himself and it's kind of interesting. Now, speaking of journalists in the news, Sharon Alfonsi is a correspondent on 60 Minutes. She recently had a dust-up with Barry Weiss at CBS. She's the new chief over there. And it was over Sharon Alfonsi's piece on CICOT, the prison where we're keeping people, well, we're sending people over in El Salvador, and they're being kept there, alleged Venezuelan gang members who have been in the United States illegally.

1:34:58Barry Weiss held Sharon Alfonsi's piece for a few weeks because she allegedly wanted to make it more fair and balanced to Trump. Sharon Alfonsi and many others, 60 Minutes, took umbrage with that saying it was fine. She barely did anything to it. And by the way, she had five screenings she could have gone to to raise these objections. She skipped them all. And then at the last minute was like, we're pulling it and unnecessarily gave Alfonsi and CBS and 60 Minutes a black eye. Now there is a report that she is lawyering up and has reportedly contacted my lawyer, Brian Friedman, Justin Baldoni's lawyer, to represent her in a suit that she is getting ready to file against Barry Weiss, who reportedly is about to fire her or let her contract expire, which it does within the next 30 days.

1:35:47This is according to page six. So you tell me what that tells you. I mean, to me, it's like Barry Weiss is loathed within the building at CBS and some management of the zoo animals is really required when you are the new boss. You can't just treat them like they're caged animals and shove the food in there and let them sit in their own slop. You actually have to be kind and respectful and somewhat nurturing of them and their work product or when you treat them like a zoo animal, they're gonna come back against you. Like you're in for it. It's just, to me, she doesn't get it. She doesn't get how to manage talent.

1:36:27You can't fire the whole newsroom and you can't alienate the whole newsroom. And this was her MO over at the Free Press, my understanding. Terrible, terrible at managing people. Convinced that she is always right. Does not take to questioning or criticism. I think also when you come in at a level like that, it is your job to go and have lunch or a coffee with your top talent. Talk to them, see where they are, where they wanna be, issues they're having. Make it clear that you wanna work with them. You wanna be a place they can come to. Or if you've got issues with how this thing is running, what do you think?

1:37:12It's that kind of, I just think the Ellisons are having major buyer's remorse. That stunt she pulled with Sharon Alfonsi, that never really sat right because what Sharon and her producers also said and many in the newsroom was that they had gone to the Trump administration many times to get officials on the air to talk for this segment and they refused. Or at least an on-the-record statement. Right. And Barry was like, well, you should go back again. And, you know, the reporter in them is like, how many times do I go back? Like, I'm not going to beg. And they were saying you can't spike a story just because the administration won't comment on it.

1:37:46That is true. That is true. Exactly. To me, it's, you can't, as the manager, spike a reporter's story because you failed to look at it the five times it was screened, right? Like, because you failed to find the deficiency until the night before it was supposed to be aired. You're setting the reporter up for an unnecessary embarrassment. That's what she did to Sharon Alfonso. Yes. Whether you like the piece or not, like, you missed your window to weigh in. Now you're going to embarrass the entire network unnecessarily. And that's what she did to her. And so but she's reportedly angry because Alphonse leaked the story to the media about what Barry did.

1:38:23And reportedly, Barry wanted an investigation and she wanted her to potentially be sued over leaking. This is a news organization who's upset about leaks. I'm sorry, but that's kind of our business. You don't make a federal case out of it when it's literally your business to try to encourage leaks to you, even though sometimes they may come out about you. it just feels like sophomore in high school territory. Correct me if I'm wrong. First of all, if I had been that reporter, I would truly wonder if the head of the newsroom was trying to sabotage me. That like missing five screenings and then pulling it the night before when guess what?

1:39:03It leaked in Canada. The Canadians saw it. So now you look even sloppier than that. Secondly, I don't think Barry Weiss has ever, ever worked as an investigative reporter. I don't think she's ever done a door knock. I don't think she's ever been. She never worked in television. Parachuted into a field. She was an opinion columnist. It's a very comfy, cozy job. She doesn't know what she's doing. She doesn't know the basics of investigative journalism. Yeah, no. And she doesn't know anything about television. And it actually is a specific art form that you do need to know a thing or two about in order to do it well.

1:39:36And it's not happening. CBS has literally record low ratings across the board. The morning show, the evening show, they have fallen precipitously since she took over. I don't think these shows are going to make it. And she's steadily running CBS into the ground. Her new boss is the Ellisons may love her personally, but they're not going to have any choice professionally, but to reevaluate this decision some point soon, because this is just, it's a, it's a disaster for their flagship property, for their morning show, for their evening show and for their talent. Okay. I want to get to some good news.

1:40:06I think Ridgeland Farms. It's this place in Wisconsin. There were 1 ,500 beagles being used for animal testing. It's so sad. And this hero went in to this Wisconsin facility and stole the beagles. I like all I can say is good for you, sir. Wayne. Some H.S.I.U.N. N.G. And he's now being charged with burglary because they did steal the beagles. But of course, I think most of us are in favor of it. This is him opening the door. By the way, they in 2025, a judge found probable cause that this facility had broken Wisconsin and anti-cruelty laws, including certain medical procedures that were being done without proper anesthesia and inadequate sanitation and ventilation.

1:41:07And they got a slap on the wrist. And this guy, Seung, said, you know what? They got off too easy and thought this was a rescue mission where they went in there and rescued. Look at these beagles. All these beagles, Big Ranch Dog Rescue and the Center for a Humane Economy reached a deal to rehouse the 1 ,500 dogs. And there are many people who say it's theft, it's wrong. What did you think your shampoo was tested on before it got to you? This guy has also stolen hens that are laying eggs. Do you eat eggs? Yes, I do. So does it make me a hypocrite? Maybe I'm wrong. But I see a difference between hens that are laying eggs that we eat and beagles that are being abused with inappropriate anesthesia before we perform procedures on them.

1:42:05That is so effed up. And I applaud this guy. I am completely on his side. I am just seeing this now because I did see. Oh, look. This is a video of one of the beagles being taken to the beach by his new owner. Before she put him down, she just brought him to the beach. It was his first look at the ocean. And he does the doggy paddle in her arms. It's instinctual. It's instinctual. Look at him. Look at him. Oh, my God. Oh, the sweetest, sweetest baby. Oh, these dogs, they're going to need a lot of love and a lot of special care because they've been abused. They've come out of a trauma. And now they don't quite know they're safe.

1:42:43Like, I hope that's not AI. I hope that's real. I see these things with animals, you know. I know, you're right. But yeah, no, animal testing in general is terrible. I can't believe as we now enter the AI era that it's going to be necessary to continue, except in probably the most extreme kinds of testing, like in terms of looking for a cure for cancer, et cetera. But no, it's a Robin Hood feel-good story to be sure. I'm ready to adopt a beagle. And I do not need another dog, Maureen Callahan. I do not need one. Well, from everything you say, Strudwick keeps you on your toes. So, you know, buyer beware, I suppose, or adopter beware.

1:43:22You know, we love him. He's lucky he's so cute and so sweet. But I'm thinking about getting one of those beagles. Great to see you, my friend. Have a great weekend. So good to see you, Megan. Lots of love. Lots of love to all of you, too. And happy Mother's Day to all the moms out there. Have a great weekend, and we'll see you all Monday. Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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