The Truth About Tucker and Charlie Kirk, Egregious BBC Lie, and Violent Antifa vs. Turning Point, with Stu Burguiere | Ep. 1191

27:48You don't need to sell the boo-boos. And our son asked if the president had done this. And we looked at each other and we didn't quite know how to answer that question. I think I said yes. We did. We actually both said yes at the exact same time. We said yes. He did. Okay. So you chose not to tell your children that the reason he got suspended is because he mocked and wrongfully blamed a beloved conservative's death on conservatives. I can see why you didn't think that was appropriate to share with your 11-year-old, I guess. Much easier to just blame Donald Trump. Zero personal responsibility there, Stu.

28:32It's all about Trump, not what Jimmy said. And then the cherry on top of the sundae, the referencing of the labubus, these little dolls that can be as cheap as$25 or can be$850 a pop. And the little girl thinks they're so poor, she's going to have to sell hers off. Sure. Sure, Jan. Yeah. I'm living in this incredible mansion somewhere in Hollywood and living the life that everyone would aspire to financially. And let me tell you something. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but let me just say one thing quickly by 11 your kids know exactly where you are on the earning scale they may not know your salary but they know if you have money or if you're struggling for money that whole thing sounds like a fucking made-up lie to me sorry keep going it does seem like one of those stories that actually didn't happen and and also like how would it happen how why on earth would your children assume the president of the united states was getting you suspended how would they come up with that idea.

29:34They come up with that idea because you're telling them how evil he is all the time, right? Like probably every conversation around your house is focused around this one guy and the things you claim he's doing to you, which of course, you know, largely are nonsense anyway. I mean, you know, Trump does occasionally dive into some Hollywood issues. He does enjoy to do that every once in a while. But I mean, it's insane, right? Like these things don't just happen. It's like when you see these parents who are like, gosh, my daughter goes to bed every night and she's so concerned about global warming and how is she going to live?

30:09Like, that doesn't come from the kid. The kid doesn't come up with that on their own. You know, no child actually goes to bed thinking about a 0.9 degrees Celsius temperature rise over a globe in a century. And there's no child who actually fears that. That is given to the kid by the parent. And, you know, like as well as all those labubus, this is something that the parents are handing down and giving to these kids and giving them a perception of how the world works, which is they are somehow this in the mansion with the labubus, somehow the victim of this society. It's insane when you really think about it.

30:47Because we all have an$850 doll for our child. There's zero chance that they went for the$25 LaBubu. And by the way, yet another tell that she's lying is the part where she says, I don't even remember what we said in response. And Jimmy's like, we said yes. And she's like, we said yes. Right? Not a hesitation. At the same time. She knew, like she tried to, it's like she wasn't going to say that they didn't take personal responsibility because like at the last second she had the light bulb go off that this would not make them look good. Jimmy was too dumb to realize this was not going to make them look good.

31:22Let's watch it again. Now with our analysis baked in, let's watch it one more time. Stop 14.

31:30And Jimmy let them know. He said, our show is my show has been suspended. And our daughter immediately burst into tears. And she said, I'll sell my little boo-boos. And we told her, yeah, you should. No, we did not. We told her, no, you don't need to do that. You don't need to sell the boo-boos. And our son asked if the president had done this. And we looked at each other, and we didn't quite know how to answer that question. I think I said yes. We did. We actually both said yes at the exact same time. Oh, you remember now. We did. Now, oh. Right? I think I said yes. Yes, you did. We both said yes.

32:08We both did. Like, she's a liar. That's my opinion. And by the way, we didn't even talk about the hosts, the other hosts on this podcast, which I guess is called We Can Do Hard Things. their horror that she might have to sell her labubus they're all like like literally everyone one girl touches her head with both hands like oh not the labubus no the horror the poor kimbals have had to go through still oh i think you found the my favorite part of the clip which is the host their their hands gestures routed like the entire time to tell you the story one has her hand over her heart like oh my gosh and then it's the hand to the face and they're like i can't believe what a what an adorable moment but what a sad moment now none of these people seem to be they wouldn't have the same sadness from the jimmy kimmel labubu uh child possibly losing their labubus as they would to that first clip you showed from the crib like that's the that's the clip that should make you feel that way.

33:11Not a millionaire losing their$850 doll. That shouldn't make you feel that way. And by the way, that's what Jimmy was joking about. That's really what he was joking about. He was making light of what happened to Charlie by being like, ha ha, Magus, you know, scrambling to make it seem like it wasn't their own. That includes the whole thing. And he diminish the whole tragedy with that flippant, erroneous, defamatory comment. We all know the guy confessed to his family that it was Tyler Robinson. OK, that's who killed Charlie Kirk. It wasn't one of MAGA's own. The guy was a leftist, according to his own parents, not to mention what he wrote on the bullets and the way he'd been living his life and all that stuff.

34:01He won't take personal responsibility for misstating the facts, which was obviously intentional, and now wants us to feel sorry for him. There's no other reason for her to tell that story, Stu. No, of course. They're trying to get sympathy for themselves, even though, again, what he said was obviously untrue and something that is believed widely by the left to this day. They still believe that this was a MAGA person. person. We have, you know, it's not just Jimmy Kimmel who said it. It was widely spread around left-wing media. We have America's dumbest congressman. Eric Swalwell said something like that.

34:39We have tons of people. Tight race, but I agree. Yeah, I think he, look, there's definitely a tight race there. Photo finish. There's a bunch. But I would say I think he's America's dumbest congressman. But, you know, this was a widespread thing. This is something that I still believe when you look at polls, they don't, I mean, who would want to blame your own side for something so terrible, but internalize that. It is your own side. It was your own side that did this. And they did it because of the same reasons you're standing out there beating the crap out of a guy trying to sell t-shirts. It's the same, it's the same instinct.

35:15And that anger and just brutality toward your fellow human being is disgusting. And especially when it's placed in this bizarre our context where they're the good guys like, oh, gosh, they're they're so upset at Chuck Schumer today because he didn't have a health care subsidies because they're so concerned about people's health. Are you? It certainly doesn't feel that way when I watch you mocking someone's death. It's really horrific. I don't really know how to reach out to these people at all. You know, I do want to ask you something. It's kind of interesting that I saw online. I think it might have been Chris Ruffo.

35:52I can't remember. It was a conservative saying, just given everything that's happened since Charlie died, it's more evident to him than ever that Charlie was the glue holding the conservative movement together. And that it's become so, I don't know, fractious and acrimonious in the last two months because of Charlie not being there to hold it together. I don't agree with that, actually. I don't think Charlie was the glue that held the movement together. I think he was great at forming alliances. And, you know, of course, the turning point events were events that we all, most of us, got invited to and went to, no matter where we stood on various issues, including Israel.

36:35But I don't think what's come out, you know, since he died and the, you know, the fighting, infighting, especially around the issue of Israel, was something Charlie could have prevented, you know? The thing with Israel has been coming to a boil for a while now because of the war. And I just think like, it's actually kind of, I don't know, something about the comment bothered me because it's putting too much on Charlie, first of all. He was amazing and he was extremely talented, but he was not some sort of weird godfather, Christ-like man who was able to achieve the impossible, which is keep people fighting from fighting about Israel and like a very controversial war.

37:16How do you see it? That's a great question. I mean, you know, when you're talking about Israel, I mean, yes, the war is certainly part of that. But these are ancient hatreds, right? These things go back. Many of the theories being tossed around these days have been around for a very long time, long before the Gaza war. These are things that have been bubbling around the country and the world, unfortunately, for a very long time. I think that – I agree with you. Charlie was an incredible guy. And it's – I think he would even be a bit uncomfortable with getting that much credit. I mean, I think he was a guy who really tried hard to maintain alliances and be the type of person who was connecting people rather than breaking others apart.

38:08You know, we have this battle, I think, going on on the right right now between coalition builders and line holders. And, you know, which one should you be? Which one should you be? and I think it's interesting to think about that conceptually for all of us because I have thought of that I've watched a lot of this go along on the right and and and as I've thought about it a lot I think the answer to a healthy movement is you need both you need people like I mean Charlie was really really good at reaching across to people who were even on the fringes of conservatism and trying to bring them in all the time trying to hug them trying to say hey here's where we agree come talk to us about these parts that you don't agree on but here's where we agree.

38:51And he was a great coalition builder, but even inside of himself was also a line holder on certain things. And you look at what he, you know, how he dealt with, you know, the Nick Fuentes of the world. He was not, he was angry at some of them when they would come and ask questions and he would be loud and forceful against them. And so I think we all have to kind of find where we are on that spectrum. We do need, we can't just say every time somebody disagrees with us, we tossed them from the movement. I mean, I support Israel and I support what they did largely in the war there, especially after October 7th.

39:27But I know a lot of people who are much more skeptical and concerned about what they did there. They're not terrible people. They're good people. And they're really trying to find what the right answer is for something like that. There are people who aren't trying to find the right answer. There are people who just disagree with everything that a Jew does. That is a real thing in our world. We've all documented it throughout history, and it still exists today. It exists across the spectrum, and I don't want any part of it. But criticism of Israel's government is, of course, on the table and totally okay.

39:59You shouldn't hold a line to keep those people out of your movement. You have to be able to have those conversations and have deep conversations about that, because these are complicated issues. When you move on to just trying to toss everybody that disagrees, that's bad. It's also, though, I think important to look at what your movement is. You know, is it something that is accepting people for for, you know, their beliefs and their faith and and and and all of that? Or is it something that's just going to just take out groups and blame like the left does, come up with a group that's responsible for everything and just point fingers and say that group is evil?

40:36Usually it's us and their particular arrangement. I don't want to do that either. I mean, again, I bring it back to the point I made before, which is collectivism. You know, racism is collectivism. Anti-Semitism is collectivism. You're putting these people into groups and thinking of them as groups. And sometimes I think, you know, conservative and liberal, that stuff gets kind of messy. Sometimes I think about it as just collectivists and individualists. And if you think of people as individuals, you're much more likely to come to normal human interactions with them, and the left has completely lost that.

41:06Yeah. No, that was ironically the point that Tucker was trying to make to Nick Fuentes in their much-reviewed interview about how wrong collectivism is. and why would you be saying that to a guy known first and foremost as an anti-Semite unless you were against what he was doing? I mean, that's what he was trying to say to him. And I know people think, oh, Tucker doesn't like Jews or Tucker, he's an anti-Semite. I mean, I've listened to his show. I do listen to Tucker's show. I just don't hear that. I hear somebody who's not a fan of Israel or Netanyahu at all and believes some of the things that, you know, the Palestinian protesters believe about Israel, which is fine.

41:47I mean, who would argue that Israel has conducted a perfect war and hasn't been guilty of a disturbing number of civilian deaths, even though they take extraordinary measures versus most other world fighters to prevent them? That doesn't they're not perfect. And there have been. And there's, of course, plenty of room to criticize them. They just seem to have an incredibly thin skin. Their most ardent supporters who told us for two years we could criticize them if we wanted to. Then when some of us started to, the rules changed. But that's what he was trying to say to Nick Fuentes, that collectivism is bad and it's anti-Christian and it's evil.

42:25and that's it i think an incredibly important point you know i think like there's this all of this is happening and there is a value uh to talking this stuff out and finding where your lines are and and and what you're going to accept and what you're not and that's something that human beings need to do and the conservative movement needs to do generally you see the motivation though for i think a lot of the um the talking a lot of the conversation around this is is not necessarily coming from people i think that have the the best interest of the conservative movement at heart um and you know i sometimes i think about it uh in the way of i think about it as the i get asked about these questions sometimes and i think about it as the the same face that sydney sweeney made when she's being asked about how she wants to comment on uh you know her gene commercial.

43:16And it's just like this. So many of the people are coming at this with no interest in making the conservative movement better or having it thrive or having people have more individual rights. It's coming from this idea of how do we destroy that movement? How do we take the fractures that of course exist in every movement and separate them and make everything worse? And that does, I don't want to make that sound like I want to accept every lunatic that comes on and says they're to the right. I keep hearing this argument of like, oh gosh, no enemies to the right. Well, the people that were in that conversation aren't to my right.

43:51I don't know who's right there too. I don't know what national socialist is to my right. None of them. It's got nothing. Those ideas have literally nothing to do with what I believe. Those are, the Nazi party wanted to control every single aspect of the German citizen's life. That has nothing to do with my vision of what I want out of government. But you have to understand the motivation of what the left wants out of this. And what they want out of this is to destroy everything that Charlie was trying to do. They want to destroy everything that the president and other conservatives are trying to do.

44:29They want the worst for us. And so giving into this idea that we have to embrace their vision of whatever, you know, intramural disputes we wind up having on the right, I think isn't healthy for the future of the movement. I talk to people all the time I disagree with. There's a lot of them. I work here at The Blaze. There's a lot of all sorts of views at The Blaze that I don't agree with. I've been able to have conversations with everybody here. I disagree with them on a lot of things sometimes. They disagree with me on a lot of things. I think that's healthy. I think that's a thing that we should want on the right.

45:04I just feel like when you look at the motivations of the outsiders trying to exploit that, we should be really sensitive to watch out for what their motivations are. I have more to say on this Charlie Fronten, but I'll pick it up on the backside of the break because I want to show you something that I've never shown anybody before, a piece of tape that I have. And the Chris Ruffo comment got me thinking about it, but standby. You mentioned Sidney Sweeney. So I do want to mention this in the couple minutes we have here. She is under attack right now, a new attack, because she's starring in a new movie.

45:40It's about a boxer. And it's about this boxer named Christy Martin, who was extremely successful and I guess gay, or at least turned gay or was lesbian at some point. I don't know the story. But Sidney Sweeney is playing her in a movie. And it opened this past weekend and apparently it did not do well at all. And now she's getting attacked by this actress named Ruby Rose, who stars in Orange is the New Black, who took to Threads, that's of course the left-wing ex, kind of like Blue Sky, on Monday evening to attack Sidney Sweeney for playing esteemed boxer and domestic abuse survivor, Christy Martin.

46:25Again, they point out in this article that this is on the Daily Mail that there was a lackluster reception including one of the lowest ever domestic openings for a wide release. It has set tongues wagging leading to Ruby Rose's explosive rant toward Republican Sidney. And we do believe she's a Republican. Here's what she says. She says, the original Christy Martin script was incredible, life-changing. I was attached to play Cherry, who I think that's another name for Christy Martin, but in any event, everyone had experience with the core material. Most of us were actually gay. It's part of why I stayed in acting.

47:06Losing roles happens all the time. She's trying to act like she's above, she's not bitter against Sidney for taking the role, but here it comes. For her PR to talk about it flopping and saying Sidney Sweeney did it for the people, none of the people want to see someone who hates them, meaning gays, parading around pretending to be us. You're a cretin and you ruined the film, period. Christy deserved better. So this, I believe, is the obvious clear price that Sidney Sweeney has had to pay for, and they said it, being a registered Republican. That's it. That's her sin. It's not the ad, the jeans ad.

47:48It's not the answer to that reporter last week. It is the fact that they now know she's a Republican, that she has to be smeared as a failure and totally behind the disappointing open of this film. And also, by the way, for kicks, quote, hates gays, for which there is zero evidence. I'm sure that's based in this woman's demented head on the fact that she's a registered Republican. Again, like this is such a low below the belt hit still. Yeah, it's it's also incredibly unlikely that she why would she take the movie of Christy Martin if she hated gays? It makes no sense. I mean, when you look at the plot of the movie.

48:29Here's a woman who was able to go from, you know, nothing to a very successful career throughout while dealing with all sorts of terrible abuse. Like this is a left wing type of plot line you'd think normally they would want to talk about and promote. Right. Like this is a, you know, a Hollywood story. It's very typical. And she's been promoting the film alongside Christy Martin. Like they've been making all these appearances together. So clearly Christy does not think Sidney Sweeney hates gays. yeah it's it's so ridiculous like we know nothing about we know literally nothing about Sidney Sweeney's views the fact that she's Republican I mean a Hollywood Republican oftentimes it's nothing that I would consider a conservative I mean it's true you know if she might be a conservative I have no idea she really hasn't said anything about it which is what I loved about her interview right like it wasn't a I look I love when people agree with me but you know that's not what she was doing she's just saying like look I'll talk about this on my own timeline.

49:27Like, you're not going to goad me into this. That's not what's going to happen. And you look at her career. First of all, she's actually really good. She's a good actor, actress. But you think about Euphoria. She was in the freaking Handmaid's Tale. Like the only literary reference left-wing people know she was in that show as well. She's not made some right-wing career. She's tried to do all these things. And I think she's been good in them. And they're just beating her up because she has an R near her name. It's complete insanity. Yeah. There were reports that she is a registered Republican, but she hasn't done anything to show that other than she did not back down after she did the jeans ad to the left-wing shaming, which everyone should take a lesson.

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51:49Back with me now, Stu Bergeer, host of Stu Does America. Okay, so on the subject of Charlie, I think people who didn't know him may be misunderstanding Charlie. Like, Charlie, he was important. He was hugely important to the conservative movement, but he didn't do it by discouraging debate or trying to tell one faction they couldn't or shouldn't say something or not saber rattling on something that was like a sacred cow of the administrations. He didn't always do it, but he wanted those discussions to happen. I don't think Charlie would be upset about the debate that's generally happening between, say, Tucker and Ben Shapiro right now in Israel.

52:35He would not like how nasty it's getting. You know, he definitely would not support calls to have Tucker, you know, people to stop watching Tucker. Ben's not asking for him to be deplatformed, but clearly he wants him cut out of polite conservative movement circles. He would not be in favor of that. He knew what Tucker was saying, including about Israel, and continued to invite him to turning point events. And so I just wanted to tell this story because I think people are misunderstanding. Like Charlie was all for really robust discussions of very tough issues, including Israel and beyond. It's just he wouldn't necessarily lead them because he did have donors and he also was very close with the administration.

53:18And so I just wanted to say two things. Number one, there was a Turning Point event last July and many of us were there and we all saw Charlie. And that was an appearance at which I spent all my time talking about Epstein. It was right after the whole debacle with Pam Bondi promising she's got the file on her desk and she's going to reveal it. And then releasing that two page memo saying, oh, there's nothing. There's absolutely nothing to talk about. I don't know what you're referring to with those Fox News hits. You know, they memory hold them. And the FBI got swooped up into it and it was very controversial.

53:52And that is what my appearance was not a speech. It was a Q &A. And that is what Charlie wanted to talk about. and backstage he made very clear to me that he wanted to focus in on Pam Bondi and encouraged me to really go for her. Now, I didn't need Charlie's direction because I'd been going for her on my show. So it's not like this is orchestrated. He had been listening to my show and he was basically like, please say all of that right here. And that's fine. I'm like, you're leading the Q &A, hey, let's do this, which is what happened. So Charlie was not at all averse to seeing Pam Bondi take a hit.

54:30He was just too polite to be the one personally to do it himself. But he knew that the administration wasn't going to like that. And he was not shy about that. He thought that was an important issue. And who was really hot on that issue in particular? Well, Republicans, yes. And young Republicans, too, who smelled a rat and just felt like, Do we have the same thing with this administration as we've had with other administrations, red or blue, where important people get protected and only people with no connections are left to fry? So anyway, that was one example. And the second example also relates partially to Epstein and partially to Israel and involves Tucker.

55:09So two weeks after Charlie died, Tucker had me on a live broadcast he did of his own show. It was on a Wednesday night, and it was about free speech. It was about a lot of things and definitely touched on Charlie too. And he and I had a long talk that night, and it was actually a great show. Here is Tucker describing his discussion behind the scenes with Charlie. Now, before I play this, Tucker would come under withering criticism for what he said at the Turning Point event. He did criticize Israel. He also suggested he thought that Epstein was a Mossad spy, something I speculated could be true in my own remarks, too.

55:53I mean, I had no idea, and I made that clear, but to me at the time, it made sense. We've since had many discussions about whether it does make sense. Alan Dershowitz, who represented Epstein, has said Epstein denied that to him directly, and Alan would have used that if he could have to get him off. Ehud Barak has said it wasn't true, and he used to run the IDF in addition to Israel, but he was also extremely close with Epstein. So take it for what it's worth. Okay. Tucker got criticized by the pro-Israel crowd for his remarks at the Turning Point event. Charlie also had threats from donors thereafter saying, if you don't get rid of Tucker Carlson, like, we're done.

56:32And he had received some threats about that even before Tucker's appearance. And he said, well, I'm bringing him anyway. And that's all been documented. This is kind of water under the bridge. But I'm showing it to you for a different purpose. Tucker on that broadcast said the following about his backstage conversations with Charlie before he went out there.

56:53Before that speech that I gave in July, we had a conversation about this backstage, right before I went on. And I was fulminating and getting all red in the face like I often do to my shame. And I was mad thinking about this and thinking about the effort by the neocons in the United States to draw us in to another forever war with Iran. Not a defense of Iran, of course. It's merely an acknowledgement that we've done this before. This happened in Iraq, which we entered into at the behest of those same foreign policy strategists. and it didn't work. And so I was going on at some length backstage with Charlie and I said, you know, probably not going to talk about that.

57:39I'm not going to torture you. I know your donors hate this when I say that. And also Epstein was in the news and it was clear to me that, you know, Epstein is probably not like a Mossad agent or something, but Epstein clearly had contact with Israeli intelligence and American intelligence and French intelligence. But the only one you're not allowed to talk about is Israeli intelligence. But it seemed true to me. And I had done some work on that. I knew a bunch of people pretty close to that story. So I thought that. And I said that to Charlie. And I said, but I'm not going to say that because I don't want to make your donors mad.

58:10I know it's just going to be like an endless flurry of texts telling you to stop or you're going to lose a bunch of funding. And he looked at me, I'll never forget it, and said, go all the way. Do it. Go all the way. I said, man, a lot of things I can talk about. I don't need to talk about that. And he said, do it. So I did it. And here's the thing, Stu. I was recently going through some old pictures to find one of me and Charlie that I knew we took at that event. And not only did I find pictures of me and Charlie, but I found a video of me, Tucker, and Charlie speaking backstage right before Tucker went out.

58:57Tucker and I were talking. Charlie came over and interrupted for just a second. And you can hear him on this tape, which I've listened to many times. It's very clear on my phone, less clear here probably as we play it. But he says to Tucker, go Max. He interrupts the conversation because he has to say to Tucker something. And what was so important to him to tell Tucker was, go, go, Max. Here it is.

59:30It's quick. It just happens to be on tape. And it backs up what Tucker said. And so I just think we need to be realistic. Charlie understood what was happening to the conservative movement over Israel. He probably understood it better than any of us because he absolutely loved Israel. And yet he represented and was of young people. He was young. That was his constituency. That's where he spent all of his time. And he knew that even on the right side of the aisle, they had turned and were turning on Israel. And knowing all of that, he told Tucker to go out there and do all the things Tucker did.

1:00:11Go, Max, he said. Now, why did he do that? Because he knew there was a faction within the conservative movement that needed a voice. They needed somebody to put their thoughts and their complaints and their objections into words in a public setting and not just cede the whole argument to the other side, which has been dominating conservative thought and media. forever, you know, the Mark Levins of the world. And so it's one of the many reasons why I really object to this attempt to otherize, snuff out the voice of Tucker Carlson. Charlie knew exactly where Tucker stood on these issues and wanted him, and I quote, to go max.

1:00:55The answer to what is happening right now in, you know, on the conservative half of the aisle is not to silence Tucker, to diminish him to the point where he doesn't have followers. Not that that's possible, you lunatics, or to try to delegitimize Tucker. If anything, Tucker is a remaining voice for Charlie, whose views were changing himself. So I have nothing against Ben saying all the things he feels or more neo-Coni people feeling that or pro-Israel people saying all. I think they should say that. And I understand perfectly where they're coming from, but there is another reasoned, passionate point of view.

1:01:39And Tucker represents that. And that's what he's been doing on his show. It rubbed some people the wrong way, but it didn't rub Charlie the wrong way. In fact, he wanted more of it. Your thoughts on it? Yeah. I mean, there's a lot there. I think, you know, we don't have to speculate as to what Charlie believed about having Tucker voice in the conversation, right? He was very clear about that in text messages late in his life that have come to light. I mean, he was upset that people didn't want him to have Tucker at Turning Point events. And knowing that he would really go for it, that it wasn't going to be milquetoast Tucker.

1:02:22Yeah, yeah. Yes. And also, like we know, even videos of Charlie late in life talking very positively about Israel as well, being very offended by those who were infected by sort of an anti-Semitism woke virus that we know he separated from what Tucker believed, because he wouldn't have wanted Tucker at those events if he thought he was that person. I think like, you know, there's a lot, we've thrown around a lot of names here and, you know, a lot of them I really like, you know, frankly, you know, certainly probably agree with most of them on most of these things that they talk about with some exceptions.

1:03:00But like, I think maybe the biggest issue here is tonally, how we talk about this, because I see this stuff on my feet all the time. I follow most of the people we talked about and a lot more that are involved in this conversation. And I wonder about the effectiveness of everybody just killing each other. Like, you know, everybody hammering each other constantly. Yes, I know. I apparently in the world with Democratic donors, I have to make that very clear. I'm talking rhetorically here. Yeah. And you, everybody hammering each other all the time with their views. And like, I understand these are important and they're passionate topics.

1:03:38But one of the things I thought Charlie really brought to the table in this world was the, was the ability to have these conversations respectfully, even when that bridge, he had to bridge large gaps. I mean, he really was very good at that specific thing, among other things. But that conversation that he was able to bring a lot of different people who thought of themselves as conservatives into a very large tent, if you will, to have those conversations respectfully but passionately. You know, and I know Tucker recently kind of apologized for the way he framed his comments on Christian Zionists.

1:04:17He said he didn't mean it. Which, by the way, I said, like, I said that. I mean, like, I was interviewed by the Daily Mail right after. I said, I guarantee you he did not mean that he hates Christian Zionists because I'm one. And I know he adores me. Like, we're very good friends. And he said to Dave Smith, I didn't mean that. That was bullshit. I just had, like, these neocons in my head. Like, whatever. I can't remember who he named. But he's like, that's what I was thinking about. Maybe Ted Cruz he might have mentioned. Yeah. And I think, you know, and you could tell, like, there's a tonal difference of the way he talked to Ted Cruz and the way he talked to some, you know, some of the other people.

1:04:47that I was an anti-Semite within the first four minutes of the interview. So if you watch that interview, you can see Tucker kind of turn like, okay. Yeah, they don't like each other. And like, it's okay to have those conversations too. It's not like he can never be mean or never be sarcastic or never be a wise ass. I do it all the time. I'm totally guilty of breaking my own rules on this at times. But I do think that like, I know people on both sides of like Israel, for example. I talk to them all the time and, you know, I don't agree with some of them. I agree with some of them, but you're able to have normal human conversations.

1:05:22This goes back to what we saw you highlighted earlier with Jimmy Kimmel and his wife. Like if you have a view that everybody who disagrees with you on a topic is just basically subhuman, this is how you, how these problems grow, not contract. And I, you know, a lot of people I love who are super passionate on both of these sides go at each other in my feet. I'm following both of them. I like both of them. And they're just hammering each other constantly. You get nothing out of that. And I think like, if you look at Tucker, for example, I mean, Tucker's had, he would describe, he's had different views over time.

1:05:57You know, you go back, people keep pulling up these clips of him in 2002, 2003. He'd be the first to tell you that. Exactly. He has much different views. You know, like he was at the Cato Institute for a while. You know, like he was at different stages of his life. He's believed different things. It's hard for me to believe a guy like Tucker, who has really strong views, is going to be won over by people yelling at him on the internet. Oh, to the contrary. Right. It's going to be the exact opposite. He may be won over to some of these views, some of your views. If you talk to him respectfully, maybe behind the scenes, maybe treat, you know, you've talked to him.

1:06:32I doubt you agree with him on everything, Megan, but you've had respectful conversations. He's come on our show. We've talked to him. You know, I remember he came back after Russia and we were like, I don't know, that whole Russia thing, like the grocery stores, do you really believe that? And he explained it in a different way than he had initially phrased it. And it was, you know, I think we had more and more in common, though I still would disagree with him on that topic. Like you can have conversations with that and people can be moved. That's how you actually can win people over. If you scream at them, if you just call them names, you get nowhere with them, especially with a person like Tucker, who's been doing this his entire life.

1:07:08Like he, you know, it just seems to me a leftist tactic. It's a leftist tactic to try to say, like, you're out. I don't like your opinion on X, so you're out. and I'm gonna push you out by labeling you this terrible thing because that's what the left does. They label you the terrible thing and then you're out of polite society. It's a leftist tactic. I really object to it. It's also a leftist tactic to try to make somebody say something, which is also being done to me and all the more reason why I just won't. I've said before, I'm not gonna go after Tucker. I'm not gonna go after Ben either. I'm good friends with them.

1:07:44I'm just not doing that. So I don't care if you don't like it. Candace is not a good friend of mine. I know we're a little, but we're not friends, but I'm not going to go after her for a variety of reasons. Number one, we, before this whole thing started, had a very nice like connection over something. It's personal. And I have no desire to stick a knife in her. And number two, the more you insist I must, the more I want to tell you to go pound sand. And now that it's like the stakes, you must, you have to. No, it's a no. Okay. BLMers. I didn't raise the fist and I won't be saying whatever you want me to say to your, you know, chagrin.

1:08:20I might've said something. I don't know. I don't keep a daily monitor on other podcast hosts, but if they cross on my newsfeed and I find it interesting, I might comment on it. But now, now that you've made it, the stakes of our relationship that I must now, I really won't. And you know what? I'll be fine. Um, no, wait, but I want to get back to the Tucker thing because because it's also true that Charlie hated Nick Fuentes and Nick Fuentes hated Charlie. And Charlie definitely did not want to see Nick Fuentes platformed or in any way emerging as like a reasonable figure in, you know, polite society.

1:08:54And I'm sure he would not have liked the fact that Tucker interviewed him at first. And he probably would have sent Tucker a text saying like, why. But I do believe once explained to Charlie why he might have softened on it. And even if he didn't, he had nothing but respect for Tucker. He looked up to Tucker. He looked up to him. He was, you know, a lot older than Charlie. He was like a mentor. Charlie was, I'm sorry, Tucker was to Charlie. And it would have been, I think, something that Charlie would have come to understand and listen to that Tucker, I think, was trying to reach this young man as maybe only Tucker can.

1:09:34He's got a very similar audience of young men to say, we don't do collectivism on the right. It's evil. We don't put whole groups of people into categories and then demonize them because we have a problem with one or two. It's unholy. And if you watch that interview that he did with him, I personally am convinced it was about Tucker trying to reach Fuentes, not Tucker trying to launch Fuentes in a bigger and more profound way onto the national scale. And by the way, if that's your goal, it's not helpful to say you're an anti-Semite, you're a bigot, here are the 25 most incendiary things you've done.

1:10:15And that's not really something Tucker ever does. He didn't do that with Andrew Tate when he had him on. He didn't do that with the president of Iran. It's just not him. I am that way. I am prosecutorial for sure, which is generally why these people won't sit with me. But he has a different style. So I just think people are totally understanding what the whole thing was about. And I think in some ways, misunderstanding, they're misunderstanding what this whole thing's about. They're misunderstanding Charlie to a bit too. Anyway, spent more time than I expected to, but I'll give you the last word.

1:10:45Yeah, it's really interesting. You know, I've seen Tucker go, I mean, Tucker does go after people sometimes. I think he was he was like that with Ted at some level. He went after him. He was trying to corner him into certain positions. And I like that Tucker approach at times, particularly when, you know, he does it certainly with people on the left. There's a good part of me that would have loved to have seen that approach with him going after Nick Fuentes in that way for some of those. But if the goal were, as I said, would that have been useful? Well, yeah, that's exactly what I wanted to say because I – as someone who's been in this conservative media space for a while, I know a lot of conservative media executives who have – there is a – among the younger conservative set, there is a group of people that I – and I've heard some of these executives describe it this way of people who are – they were worried about they might get lost.

1:11:35they might go down the road of real anti-semitism and they are being sucked in by some of these online forces we discussed earlier and there is an opportunity with a person like that especially as they're developing and they're they're trying to find their way we all have views that are way different than we did at 20 and 22 and 23 and the way the media has worked is it's launched a lot of these people through social media into people that have audiences of millions and millions of people who get rewarded with the stronger and more outlandish and more controversial takes that they have. I was all about antagonizing everybody when I was 20 years old.

1:12:17Like I thought the funniest thing in the world, whenever I could say something that would piss somebody off. Yes, I know. It's hard to believe. It's hard to believe. But that I, when I was in that growing up like you know and and coming of age politically and as an adult like you struggle with that stuff and i've i've known people who are in the conservative media who've looked and targeted people and said this person's really talented and they have great views but i'm worried about where they will go i will try to bring them in now i don't know that fuentes is one of those guys i think that i think in my view probably not one of those things i think that one sailed but that may very well have been what he was trying to do.

1:12:55And, you know, look, I've had Tucker, Glenn and I have had him on the show many times. We've done events with Tucker. I've never sensed from him this, you know, this terrible human being that I see described. He seems to be thoughtful, but he is in an interesting place. Like some of the stuff, you know, some of the content that he does is not, I like the Cato era Tucker maybe a little bit more, but that doesn't mean that, you know, Everyone gets angry and throws everybody out of the movement. It's much more effective to talk to people. As you mentioned, probably what Charlie would have done is send a text and say, hey, I don't know.

1:13:28Are you sure about this part? He didn't do it when Charlie was around, so we don't know. But I think that there is a line that we can kind of – we can all see and at the very least shouldn't unite us to resist what the left is trying to do to us with all of this. These conversations are important. We cannot become them. And we want to give them what they want either. What they want is all of us torn apart. And so the coalition that Charlie was trying to legitimately build with a lot of these exact names disintegrates. That does not help us. It does not help the movement. And it doesn't help the country.

1:14:03It doesn't help our children. So we have to figure out a way to get through this. But having these conversations, I think, in a respectful way, like I know you've tried to do, is I think the best path forward. Yes. I mean, that's really what I want. I have so many wonderful, like, suffering Jewish friends who really are desperate themselves to see Israel out of the news. They don't want Israel or their religion being bandied about and discussed and debated. It's like they just want to go back to being, like, normal, private people whose connection to Israel, if they have one, or whose religion isn't constantly being debated and who aren't seeing their fellow Jewish people get murdered on American streets like we saw in Washington, D.C., not to mention the pain that the whole thing with 10-7 and the two years that followed has caused them, and then people on the other side who have just, you know, they've had it.

1:14:59They don't want to see any more risk come by America getting sucked into foreign conflicts like we saw with Iran and so on. It's like this thing just needs to end. It needs to end. Now, I will say one other point since we kept going.

1:15:13turning point is having an event in December. I'll be there. Lots of us are going. And Tucker apparently asked Mark Levin to debate him at the turning point event, or so says Mark Levin. Mark Levin went public with, by reading Tucker's texts saying, you know, he asked me to do this thing with him and then just went off about how over his dead body would he ever share the stage with this disgusting anti-Semite and like just a vile attack on Tucker whom he's literally been comparing to a Nazi. And I just think this is like, this is so far beyond. We just finished like a several year period where we tried to make clear to the left that those terms are not acceptable in the public dialogue.

1:16:11They are too incendiary. They're going to get somebody killed like President Trump or Charlie Kirk. With him, it was fascist. With Trump, it was both. And we should not be resurrecting terms like that to attack or undermine fellow conservatives with whom we have a disagreement on Israel. Here's just a little of that.

1:16:38Then we have on the fascistic, neo-Nazi, radical right. And by the way, I'm not talking about constitutional conservatives, not in the least. We're not on the radical right. We're right in the center. And I don't mean ideologically. I mean, we're right in the center. We support the Constitution, the Declaration, the founding and everything that was done to create this nation. How can we be right wing? Right wing of what? Now, these people are not America first. America first isn't evil over good. America first isn't tyranny over liberty. America first isn't sounding like the Marxist, Islamist, anti-American Jew haters.

1:17:27That's not American at all. That's not America first, second, or third. No, they're aiding and abetting people who want to destroy the country. They want to destroy the country. Yeah. Fascistic, neo-Nazi, radical right. And that is no way to be talking about Tucker. It's too much. It's too far. It's dangerous. And honestly, like I know Tucker and Ben both, they are both under serious threats. Like, to be honest, I am too. Like it's, it's, this is a very volatile time. I don't like to talk about it. I'm not going to talk about it, but I'm just saying, I know both of them are under serious threat.

1:18:13So just fucking put a lid on it, fucking Mark Levin, because I guarantee you the wrong people listen to that and we could have another powder keg on our hands and you don't want that. You don't want that on your conscience. Just have a debate like a man on principle. And why don't you show up at the turning point event and debate him? Just debate him. That would be so good for this conservative movement you claim to love so much. You know who's at the turning point events? Future conservatives and current conservatives. Young people. Young people. This would be a chance for you to influence somebody under the age of 70.

1:18:48You should show up there and debate. Why wouldn't you debate? He's so disgusting you can't debate him. I can see not debating Nick Fuentes, to be honest. I can. But Tucker? He's so far outside the mainstream. All the Jewish friends I have in my head. who texts me all the time like this is my father. They would all debate Tucker. They would love to debate Tucker. They've got their facts ready to go all day. Why won't he do it? And why is he sounding like a leftist shill with his rhetoric, just trying to dismiss people as like these horrible, bigoted people who I need to be, you can't even stand next to them on a stage.

1:19:22Stu, this is not good for America First or the conservative movement. And it's mana from heaven for progressives. yeah it's it's you know look you know mark is is on blaze tv that's where i work we have people who are very much opposed to mark also at blaze tv uh you know we it's it is it is a you know conservative movement has a wide mind on this and and i agree with you like i don't uh you know i i think the debate would be great i'd actually really like to see a debate between mark and tucker i think that would be actually really interesting um and i you know i agree as i stated, I think tonally that it's not a helpful approach.

1:20:03I understand, you know, there is a real concern, especially by people who have, you know, put a lot of thought into what has happened over history when it comes to this particular issue. You really want to make sure you don't go down these roads. And I, you know, as you pointed out, like, I don't think there's any, I don't think there's any value in hearing Nick Fuentes' thoughts on these things personally. That's just, you know, my thought. I know Ben Shapiro for, I remember what year it was, he was the victim of the most attacks on his racial or anti-Semitic or religious-based attacks on the internet.

1:20:39He was the biggest victim of that. From the alt-right, which is the font - From the alt-right. Exactly. And so I can see he's probably legitimately spent millions of dollars on security to protect his life and his family's life because of these threats. So I get why the passions can be really high on this. I don't know that any of that, you know, I think a reasoned debate between people who are in the movement, it can be really helpful and it doesn't escalate this stuff. That's the stuff that I think Charlie was trying to put together. I think Charlie would have loved an event where those two guys argued those things.

1:21:20So I think that would be a great event. Maybe, you know, maybe Mark will change his mind. I think the problem though is that - Maybe Ben will do it. Maybe, yeah, maybe Ben will do it. I think that everyone's been, and I've watched, I think, in the past, you know, debate type conversations between Ben and Tucker, where they've had, you know, conversations about, you know, capitalism and really important things. Having just come off a week of talking to them both for hours, I don't feel so great about it. I'm going to be honest. I did my best on camera and behind the camera to try to broker something.

1:21:51I don't feel hopeful, but you know what? It's December. I think it's December 19th. We're getting close to Christmas and Hanukkah. A different spirit infuses the air, and maybe they'll, you know, Tucker's, I think, willing to do it. I mean, obviously, if he'd be across from Mark Levin, I think he'd be across from Ben. I hope they do it. I hope we can just try to find a way back to each other on the right half of the aisle. The real political enemy is over there on the left, and they are the ones we need to fight. OK, that's enough about that. An hour and a half in. That's it. But we've got to get to the BBC.

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1:25:15Back with me now, Stu Bergeer, host of Stu Does America. Stu, just when you thought we had the most biased, disgusting, hard left media in the world, enter the BBC with a hold my beer moment. It has come out only now, even though this sin happened a week before the presidential election here in America back in November of 2024, because a whistleblower internal to the BBC has come forward with public accusations, private accusations that are now public that he made against the BBC. It sounds like he was a member of their standard and practices board, like the group that oversees basically trying to stop the BBC from getting sued and tries to make them stay neutral on their reporting.

1:26:03And he noticed several problems and wrote, sounds like a barn burner of a letter to them saying, you guys are a hot mess. There are a lot of things you're doing wrong. And now it's gone public and he's whistleblowing. The most severe of which was an edit they made in a, quote, documentary they were doing about the American election in which they played this soundbite. We ran this on AM update of President Trump allegedly. OK, three years earlier in January 2021, allegedly calling for violence at the U.S. Capitol. Watch. we're going to walk down to the capital and i'll be there with you and we fight we fight like hell and if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore except that's not what he said at all he did say the the very first part that you hear in there where he says, we're going to walk down to the Capitol.

1:27:02And then 54 minutes later, he said the part about, I'll be there with you. And we, we, we fight, we fight like hell. Look at this. This is laid out in pages of the transcript. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. So that's eight, 16, 24 pages later is where he said the thing about we fight like hell. They took those two bits of tape, butted them together as though it was a stream of consciousness by Donald Trump in an effort to make it look like he was calling for violence. It is by any measure grossly unethical, a cardinal sin of journalism. Even a first-year reporter knows you don't do that.

1:27:50It's dicey even if in the same answer. Let's say the answer is a paragraph long and it has five sentences. It's dicey even to take sentence one and but it was sentence five. But you can do it if two, three and four kind of suck and they were stumbling. And it's the same point. You're not misrepresenting. But you go 24 pages later to pull the most incendiary thing he said and plop it up against the beginning to make it look like he called for violence and you are 100 % going to get sued for defamation because you have violated somebody's rights. And that's what's about to happen to the BBC. Trump said, I want an apology.

1:28:31I want a retraction and I want a big fat check, or I'm going to sue you for a billion dollars later this week. The BBC, understanding he's got them by the balls, gave one of those things, an apology, not a retraction, not a check. But the two top officials of the BBC have voluntarily stepped down. They're both gone, which is extraordinary, by the way. They've been through some other scandals lately, too. But they're both gone now in response to all of this. So even they recognize this is a big effing deal to quote Joe Biden. Your thoughts on the egregiousness of this, I don't even wanna say mistake, behavior.

1:29:19Yeah, I mean, far more egregious than anything that I think he's been sued in these American companies over. I mean, that is blatantly trying to mislead your audience into thinking he said something that he didn't say. You know, we've seen some of that here. You know, the thing that the fine people on both sides debate was an interesting version of this where you saw a lot of editing out of not the Nazis, not those people, but just taking these clips immediately out of the speech and claiming he said something else. You know, it's he's won these things. He keeps winning these things. He keeps winning over and over again because I think there was a little bit of a change in the media from at least when I started in it where it was always left wing.

1:30:07Like it was always left wing. There was always people out there who were left wing and they were left leaning people that made left leaning decisions and promoted claims and phrased them and framed them in ways that I didn't like. Like, I think with Donald Trump, you can call it TDS if you want, Trump derangement syndrome. But I think more central to that, there's this idea on the left that these times are too serious. Those old rules of journalism cannot be respected anymore because this is too much. It's too serious. We have to break all those rules. I think he saw that with a Hunter Biden laptop story, frankly.

1:30:42I think normally in the past it would be they bring up Hunter Biden. They would say that, you know, it was misleading or maybe fake and that was it. They just didn't tell anybody about it at all. They acted as if it didn't even exist. They were so focused and became the activists inside of them instead of left wing people doing journalism with some sort of loose respect for those rules. That's gone out the window. And what makes it incredibly dangerous if you happen to be the BBC is they don't have the First Amendment protections that most of our media do. I mean, I think you can argue even with the cases where these companies in the U.S.

1:31:22have stepped up and said, OK, like we're going to donate to your presidential museum or whatever it is because we don't want to go down this road. Admitting that they made mistakes and did things that were wrong, they still had First Amendment protections. And I think some of them may have actually still won in court if it had gone all the way down the road just because we really do prioritize free speech here. That's not the way it is in the UK. It's not the way it is in Europe. It's not the way it is in a lot of other places. They don't have those First Amendment protections with their media.

1:31:53So when they do things like that, they are incredibly vulnerable to very big checks. And the BBC, I think, might be writing one soon. Yeah, they are 100 percent going to be writing a big check. The only question is what the number is going to be. zero doubt in my mind about it. Here is, you know, The Telegraph broke this story of the whistleblower. This is their associate editor at The Telegraph, Gordon Rayner, explaining the edit and their reporting. Watch. They played the following clip. We're going to walk down to the Capitol and I'll be there with you and we fight. We fight like hell. But Trump didn't in fact say this at all.

1:32:36The BBC spliced together two clips that took place 54 minutes apart. So let's go through it again. We're gonna walk down to the Capitol and I'll be there with you. Now, see there, between capital and and, that's a cut. Here's what Trump actually said. We're going to walk down to the Capitol. And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women. It's different. It wasn't until nearly an hour later that he then said the second part of the BBC's version. We're going to walk down to the Capitol.

1:33:25And we fight. We fight like hell. Oh, so dishonest. And they cut out the party said up front in that part like that they chopped to butt it towards the end where he said, and I want it to be peaceful and patriotic. We're going to go peacefully and patriotically. That didn't make the cut at all. That was removed to try to make him sound like he was trying to incite, I-N-C-I-T-E, violence. This is the same dishonest news organization that about a year ago still ran this clip, which is making another resurgence right now on X for obvious reasons.

1:34:09Now, a transgender woman's milk is just as good for babies as breast milk. That's according to a letter from the medical director at University Hospital Sussex NHS Foundation Trust. The claim was made as part of a response against campaign groups. The trust referred to studies and the World Health Organization guidance, including one case which found what it called no observable effects in babies fed by induced lactation. You're a disgusting fool who doesn't know what the fuck she's saying. No skepticism whatsoever that trans milk, meaning a man who jacks himself up on hormones such that his chest can produce something that resembles some sort of fluid.

1:34:52That's just as good for a baby as breast milk. So I want them to pay. I want them to pay so much it hurts. And they actually bring somebody in there who understands facts and how they matter. and that doesn't appear to include anybody who's at the top of that organization currently. No, I had missed the trans milk debate. I will say, Megan, and you've illuminated me to that was the fact that that was even a thing. I have to say I didn't even know. So disgusting. It's child abuse. That's what chest feeding is by a trans person. Child abuse, infant abuse. That's psychotic. And quite clearly not.

1:35:37There's no medical basis behind any of that. That's just crazy nonsense. They do deserve it. I mean, the BBC has been bad on a lot of things for a long period of time. And, you know, this is why I would argue I don't want any state run media. I don't think there's anything positive about that. I have friends who were like, oh, gosh, no, the BBC is good. No, they're not. They do this type of stuff all the time. And the Trump edit is really egregious because we all were there. We all remember it. We all watched the speech. We all are very familiar with the things that he says in the arguments around it and the fact that they thought that they could get away with it.

1:36:10I mean maybe it's because they thought their audience wasn't as engaged in American politics. And this is an easy way to paint the president because it probably agrees with a lot of the people watching over there. But over here, you can't get away with that stuff I don't think. And the media has tried forever. I think, you know, it's one of the things that because I have some sensitivity, I think you probably do as well, Megan, when it comes to, you know, a president of the United States going after media corporations and saying, hey, you know, you lied about me because, you know, Obama would say that about us.

1:36:43And Biden, I'm sure, probably did say that about us. And that does concern me. But the fact that he's been able to highlight these examples that are really egregious and hold these places accountable, I think might at least give them hesitation. I don't need them to have the exact analysis I have or that you have about every issue. I kind of expect them to be off the rails and to the left. I can deal with that. I'm an adult. I can deal with that. But you can't lie to the American people constantly and be protected by these licenses and the way that they are. They have to be held responsible at some level.

1:37:20And at the very least, this is – The taxpayers are funding these lies. Yeah. Yeah. And Trump is at least putting the fear into them on this stuff. Hey, let's you know, if you were a left wing media executive and one of these reports was about to air, you'd say, wait a minute. I don't get in the middle of this. Let's make sure this is buttoned up. Why are we editing two clips that are 54 minutes apart? Just tell the truth. We you if you think Donald Trump did a lot of things around January 6th that were bad, just make that case with the facts. Yeah, that's what you have to why do you have to lie?

1:37:49Yeah, totally agree. Don't lie. And here's something I didn't know. This is in National Review today entitled Troubles Mount for the British Biased Corporation. It's 103 years old, the BBC. It's the oldest global broadcaster. It employs 21 ,000 people. It recently drastically expanded its footprint into the United States through a partnership with PBS. Its website attracts more than 60 million monthly visitors from America. It is widely viewed by American viewers as impartial and authoritative. They go on to write the British know better. And they write about, you know, the number of examples of people who have, you know, complained about the BBC, have objected, have stopped paying that licensure fee as part of their taxes because they just will not support it.

1:38:36And they go on to reference this case that we talked about a couple days ago of Martine Croxall, who corrected her BBC script, which read something about pregnant people and changed it to they mean women who just got in trouble with the BBC. Their executive complaints unit found that she had broken the BBC's impartiality rules by explaining that pregnant people means women. You can't do that on the BBC, but you can say that chest feeding out of a man's chest is just as healthy as women's breastfeeding. And you can say that Trump called for violence and take soundbites an hour apart and butt them together like that sat there for a year and they would have gotten away with it.

1:39:24Had this whistleblower not come forward. This is a disgusting, disgraceful, dishonest organization, Stu. Like this is just as bad as anything we've seen here domestically. Yeah, I mean, I think that example is as bad or worse than anything we've seen. I think it also highlights a very interesting thing if they're coming here into the United States, which is a I think a real problem with American culture in that we are very susceptible to British accents. When we hear a British accent, we automatically find it credible. Guilty. Anything said. It's true. It just feels that way. I don't know what it is.

1:39:59They just sound smarter. I it's true. I don't know what it is. I do think that that is the percent when you come to perception. I mean, the American people know very little about what the coverage of the BBC is. I mean, I've we I've watched their climate coverage for years. It makes my head explode. Horrible. But they just feel that's the reason why polling shows that they're credible. They sound British. And to us, like I don't it doesn't matter who said it. Tony Blair, you know, Dua Lipa, Whoever has an English accent, we will basically believe. Definitely Charles C.W. Cook, but that one is well-founded.

1:40:34Yes. You will not go wrong. Yeah. He sounds smart because he is. Stubergeer, you as well, my friend. It was great to see you in Texas a week ago. Loved meeting your wife. Love having you on the show. It was a lot of fun and great to see you. And thanks so much for having me on. All right. To be continued. And we will be back tomorrow with Batya Ungar Sargan and more. thanks for listening to the megan kelly show no bs no agenda and no fear