Trump Storms 60, Michelle's Racial Complaints, and Legit Case Against Letitia James, with Walter Kirn and Sam Antar | Ep. 1185

27:30But people do like when you start talking about whether you like J.D. Vance or Secretary Rubio. I do like J.D. Vance. I like Marco Rubio. I like so many people. We have an unbelievable bench. my take on this is the same as it's been which is trump just is this is the guy who ran apprentice and celebrity apprentice and he's definitely not going to tell you who's going to win the final boardroom contest until anything closer than the last episode he's a lot smarter than she is and it was clear there because even though he acted a little annoyed she fell into his trap. He has her talking about Marco Rubio and J.D.

28:09Vance in the 2028 election. And already, she's already giving free airtime to that. She's already getting us focused on that. And all he has to do is say, I might run in 2028. And he's drawn all the attention to the Republican ticket. And that's all it takes. I mean, stay coy. Yeah. And in that sense, he's controlling the conversation. And yet she thinks her gotchas are controlling it. And once again, she said a lot of people are saying, do they have to preface everything with experts say, or some people are saying, or a lot of people are saying there's CBS news for God's sake. Why don't they talk about themselves?

28:55Just say it. Just say it. Could it be? Could it be JD? Have you considered that? You said Marco and JD would make an amazing ticket. Why? Say that. Whatever. Okay. Exactly. They're always channeling some man in the street who doesn't exist. Who's like more credible than Nora O'Donnell. I mean, truly, it undermines you as a reporter, right? It's like, I don't have the credibility or the gravitas to actually ask this question, but some people do. Here is, this is from the extended interview. It didn't air on 60, but it was part of the interview that got, you know, scrapped. Now I believe they're posting all their presidential transcripts on on CBS dot com or 60 dot com because of what happened with Kamala Harris.

29:39At least they said that was going to be their new policy. So here is an exchange that did not make the cut. Watch this. The press got behind her. Oh, they were so behind her. But eventually she failed because she couldn't speak. She wasn't a very intelligent person, in my opinion, but she couldn't speak properly. She could not speak. and actually 60 Minutes paid me a lot of money. And you don't have to put this on because I don't want to embarrass you, and I'm sure you're not. You have a great, I think you have a great new leader, frankly, because the young woman that's leading your whole enterprise is a great, from what I know, I don't know her, but I hear she's a great person.

30:14But 60 Minutes was forced to pay me a lot of money because they took her answer out that was so bad, it was election changing two nights before the election, and they put a new answer in. And they paid me a lot of money for that. You can't have fake news. You've got to have legit news. And I think that it's happening. I see, Mr. President, I see good things happening in the news. I really do. And I think one of the best things that happened is this show and new ownership, CBS and new ownership. I think it's the greatest thing that's happened in a long time to a free and open and good press. that now she wasn't so interruptive on that one walter because she's like there's no way one second of this is airing go go ahead but but but am i correct did you say that they make available that which they have cut out now yeah on youtube they post it that's a victory that's a huge victory oh they only did it because he sued because it became a national controversy because people felt they actively interfered with the presidential election because what's so controversial about just showing an actual exchange or showing the transcript of the actual exchange versus what you aired.

31:28So, yes, it was a victory, but it's like so such a simple thing to do. It is a simple thing to do, and it's a common sense thing to do. And they never did it before because they wanted to hide their sins. And now they've gotten caught and forced to do it. But it allows a chess game on the part of the interviewee that didn't exist before, which is, as Trump said, you can now say things that you know they're going to cut out. And you have a sort of second interview. You have like the black market interview in which you praise Barry Weiss and so on. And you know it's going to be cut out, but you know it's also going to be available and can be clipped and circulated on social media.

32:09So there are now two 60 minutes interviews every time there is one. And one includes, I bet you will cut this out. And then they do. And then it circulates anyway. They have made some progress against the deceptive press. And that innovation is one. And the fact that Barry Weiss is in charge of CBS News is another. And I think that's a much bigger deal than people are letting on because whatever their viewership is, even compared to this podcast, I'm sure it's smaller in a lot of ways. Yeah, it's – But – I was just going to say it's pathetic. And their morning numbers are in third place, which is the kiss of death.

32:50And their evening numbers, I think, are in third place. They're all in third place. CBS has never been great and they're especially weak right now. Keep going. But it shows that these places are penetrable. CBS News next to the New York Times is the historic crown jewel of what is called the establishment liberal media. Back to the days of Bill Paley, whatever. And that it could have a change in its executive leader and its editorial policy, I don't think is appreciated as the sea change it really is. That's the last thing they wanted to go. That's their tiara. Well, they had a change at the top at 60 with their executive producer prior to Barry.

33:37Now, post Barry, we reported this late last week. There are reports that Scott Pelley may be on his way out, which I totally believe because Barry is not an insane lunatic. There's no way she didn't look at him. Here's Scott Pelley. OK, ready? Walter, this is how he does every interview. This is him. my reading glasses at the end of my nose that didn't happen terrible conservative person trust me that's a lie another terrible lie by evil conservatives that's scott pelly so he's i believe will be on his way out and today or yesterday whatever a couple days ago it hit the news that the next one to go i will show you who we believe the next one to go is it's um this person here in SOT 29.

34:32Please don't call it a ride. That is not a frigid ride. Whenever a man goes up, you have never said to an astronaut, boy, what a ride. You know, we duplicated the same trajectory that Alan Shepard did back in the day, pretty much. You're Alan Shepard. It was called a flight. It was called a journey because a ride implies that it's something frivolous or something which it was light-hearted there was nothing frivolous about what we did you had stuffed animals and the machine that we were on megan what it took for the people to get that machine up and running to get us up and get us back down safely so you know i'm very disappointed and very saddened by it and i also say this so what it's doing to inspire other women and young i'm inspirational it's called a ride because you it's called a ride because you weren't steering okay that say wow i never thought i could do that to see you doing it at this stage of my life who would have thunk it not me no don't don't ignore how inspired everybody is why the rocket is that yes but also a machine a machine did it that's a machine walter okay alan take a seat that's who I'm shocked, shocked to have to report to you is reportedly next to go.

35:48I'm a former professor of English and I can't think of another word for what she did. Is there some other word besides ride flight mission? Where are you paying attention? It was a mission.

36:03It was a, it was a mission to talk about a ride as though it were a mission. That was the mission. It was a propaganda mission based on a fair world. Nothing frivolous. The most expensive carnival ride in history, which is what it was. Lauren Sanchez had her astronaut suit unzipped to her navel with her enormous silicone brush sticking out. Nothing frivolous about what we do. OK, this can cost you. It can cost you your credibility with an audience that was already waning. This got a lot of tongues wagging within 60 minutes. They knew she made a fool of herself. And on top of this, I told this audience, we went to the Time 100 this year, and there was Gail.

36:52Every table was celebrities going over, glomming, buddying up like, I'm Oprah's best friend. I'm inserting the dialogue. But of course, if you know me, I might be able to get you invited to an Oprah party. This is how she, you know, most people, especially in our business, would rather be caught dead than trying to buddy up to the Blake Lively's of the world. Her instincts are exactly the opposite because she spends her free time on David Geffen's yacht with the Obamas and Oprah. All of this is alienating, especially to a morning show audience, Walter, which is why I believe she will be soon to go.

37:32well what does she actually do there again i mean i'm not clear what what is her you know she just comes around and flavors the background or appears you know as a ad hoc uh improvised one of the three main morning show hosts she's like she's part of the trifecta the the brain trust they put out there that's right you know it's really hard to report on the media when you no longer watch it, but I do my best. So many of these - I feel like I've given you the clip from which you can make all your decisions. Right, right. But so many of these people are kind of exotic at this point because they're not the central figures they used to be.

38:11CBS News is not the central institution it used to be. It may be, again, it may attempt to come back. And I don't know if Barry's CBS is going to gain viewership and new demographics or just if she's there to stop the bleeding or what they expect finally. But get rid of her. I mean, the thing was failing. Get rid of all of them, frankly. I'm trying to think of anybody in my memory of who I've seen on CBS recently who I would believe is necessary to keep. Who? No, it's going to be really hard. I don't know. The only one that's coming to mind is I love Ricky Kleeman, who is a legal commentator who used to work at Court TV and then went to CBS.

39:03And she's married to Bill Bratton, former New York City police commissioner. They're a law and order kind of couple and a law and order kind of family. And she helped me when I was very young trying to break into journalism. That's really the only one that's coming to mind. Wait, while we're on the subject of reporters and media, oh, by the way, I should point out John Dickerson's also leaving CBS, which is interesting. He's the one who couldn't quite find the motive in the Charlie Kirk shooting. Okay, sure. Okay. This entire network missed the fact that the president was a vegetable. Therefore, I think they should all be fired, except for your friend, who I think should be made anchor.

39:44That's she'd be she'd be amazing. She'd be amazing. OK, now wait. There was news last week from a former NBC reporter. Hold on a second. Can you go there? Is this what it is? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaking of John Dickerson leaving and her name is Michelle Kaczynski. Now, Michelle Kaczynski used to work at NBC News and then she wound up at CNN for a short stint. and now I don't believe she's employed. Not any place visibly anyway. Okay, she's a big Trump hater, this gal. And she tweeted out on, I guess this was Wednesday, 1028, John Dickerson leaving CBS and CBS looking to hire Scott Jennings, because that was another report that Barry was looking to poach Scott from CNN, tells you instantly all you need to know about the revamped network.

40:40remark revamped is in air quotes. Well, actual quotes, because it's a tweet. So she disapproves of bringing on Scott Jennings and of John Dickerson leaving. And Michelle Kaczynski, I mean, she knows a thing or two about broadcasting and how to fuck them up. Here she is at NBC after a, I think it was a hurricane, caused alleged floodwaters in certain parts in a canoe trying to make it look like she's basically in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, whereupon, for the listening audience, firemen walk right by her canoe, totally fine and on their own feet. And Matt Lauer has one of the best lines ever in response.

41:28Watch. But first, the severe flooding here in the Northeast as more rain continues to fall today and sees Michelle Kaczynski. I guess she's in the canoe. She's in Wayne, New Jersey this morning. Michelle, good morning to you. Good morning. Well, obviously, we're getting a nice break from the rain, but not the flooding. This is essentially now a part of the Kaysayak River in this neighborhood. It rushed in yesterday through the stream, and it's really tough to control a canoe or a boat when you're out in it. It's much deeper back there. Katie? Actually, Michelle, I'll take it. Is there some kind of severe drop-off there?

42:04Between the foreground, we'll go back. We saw these guys a second ago. Michelle, are these holy men walking on top of water? What's going on here? Why walk when you can ride, you guys? When you have a ride like this, why would you want to walk? Have you run ashore yet? Well, they wouldn't let me go back into the deep water because they were afraid I would just drift out of here.

42:29She's a prize idiot. it she stayed with the bit after the bit was blown i mean she kept paddling she kept pretending to paddle listen i grew up in minnesota i'm i'm one of the old school canoeists of america i've been birch bark canoes i mean the minute anybody saw her hold on that paddle it didn't matter if the water was six inches deep they knew it was fake that that's like what that's like watching somebody hold a gun by the barrel okay um they apparently have nobody who they have nobody who goes outside in that entire group i i mean you'd think somebody lives up in maine or you know upstate new york apparently it's all people who live in soho on the top floor of a you know a building because letting her out there to paddle that way was a sin and what did they think why didn't they why didn't they actually take this serious?

43:31We just got caught. Like they just, they laughed it off in the studio and she apparently went with it right to the end. She can, she wasn't there much longer. She, she wasn't there much. I mean, good for Matt Lauer, I have to say for calling her out. That's, I mean, every once in a while you get a reminder of why they paid Matt Lauer so much money. Notwithstanding what was going on behind the scenes. Megan, you were on the news. That wasn't her idea. She, she didn't want to be in that canoe. I don't know. You think that she came up with that? I need a canoe. Let's go get one. And I'll it's possible.

44:06It's possible because the person that would do it is just as dumb as the person that would think it up. You know what I mean? Like most reporters be like, I'm not getting a fucking canoe. There's two inches of water out there. I'm going to look like an idiot. I won't even be able to get the or enough in the water to push my fake canoe, which she couldn't. By the way, she was having that difficulty. Um, but here's a little bit about, here's the other story that got Michelle Kaczynski in the news back in October 20, 2020. Um, she left CNN earlier that year, but there was a scandal involving her.

44:39She denied it, but she was in the news for allegedly having an affair while at CNN with the British ambassador to the United States, who later he was under investigation for Intel leaks. He was a lot older than she was. He was caught for the listening audience. He looks a little like Prince Andrew here with like disheveled hair. He's a lot older and she denied it. She said tabloids printing incorrect information about my private life is unacceptable. There's a great deal wrong and simply false about what is being reported. So I guess I'm being kind of generous and saying she denied it. She said some of what was reported was untrue.

45:16And now she's out there opining that I guess John Dickerson needs to say at CBS and Scott Jennings should not go to CBS because in her view, that's wrong. And I'll just give you one more about this reporter. We covered this when it happened. This is May of 2024. A few weeks ago, I had dinner with a few couples, friends of friends, all American, all were well-educated and successful in careers. They seemed great, exclamation point, on the surface, period, for like an hour, period. But slowly, over a few drinks, they began to let slip their MAGA natures. And then she goes on. Yeah, she goes on from there.

45:59She says,

46:29neighborhood, people are extremely careful not to ever broach or debate the subject. This is not healthy. It's so picture perfect representative of our American media, Walter. Well, as a fraud herself, I'm surprised she can't see through frauds better. Game knows game. What she's really surprised by is that rich people who go to dinner could support Donald Trump. That's how they fooled her, you know, because what she's really admitting to is that not only do I live in a bubble, I expect that everybody else in these neighborhoods and in the kind of apartments where I eat dinner are also in my bubble.

47:12And as a reporter, to act surprised like this shows you're not much of a reporter. You just assume everybody of a certain social class thinks a certain way. You never think to ask them questions. You never find out who they actually are. And then when they surprise you in all your prejudiced, stereotypical beliefs about the upper middle class, you're shocked. They were well educated, she writes. They were successful. Everything seemed great. They drove a BMW. I didn't know BMW drivers could back Trump. I mean, one of them went to Sarah Lawrence. I didn't know you could go to Sarah Lawrence and back Trump.

47:56Like, who is this person? In other words, I just said that no one at CBS News has ever paddled a canoe. Apparently nobody, or at least not her, has ever, you know, been to a mixed dinner party. She just admitted that she never consorts with the enemy, yet she's supposed to tell us what goes on in America. Shocking. The shocking display of, how did she put it, extreme intolerance? What was it? Oh, extremist or just wrong beliefs. And the couple who are my friends, even they didn't know. How do these people get here? My God, who's manning the gate? Well, in any event, it's no longer Michelle Kaczynski.

48:36She narrated it like you were correct, like a vampire movie. Suddenly they started sprouting fangs and I saw the blood dripping from their tongue. You know, what did she say how she saved herself, how she got out of there alive? No, I guess she just thought it would be appropriate to just go to Twitter and rip on her new friends publicly in front of however many people saw. Right. That's the way you handle it, right? Like you go to Twitter to resolve private disputes. That's the classy above board way to do these things. There's a famous quote from the film critic Pauline Kael. She couldn't figure out how Richard Nixon got elected because nobody she knew voted for him.

49:19Oh, my God. Yeah, that's from the 1970s. This is the current version of that. I don't see how Donald Trump got elected because everybody I know voted for somebody else, and I only find myself by surprise in the company of people who didn't. And it shocks me that they even exist. Somebody elected him. You know, I'm sure you've been curating your social life pretty carefully, but it was probably inevitable that one night you'd end up at dinner with one of these people. Here's my final word on it. Scott Jennings should not go from CNN to CBS News. This is my hot take of the day. He will be quickly rendered irrelevant because CBS News is irrelevant.

50:1060 still has some sway, but other than that, they never make news for any reason. And what made Scott Jennings a household name is his fiery debates over on CNN and being outnumbered by everyone. It's like 10 to 1, and he can hold his own. They don't have a forum that is conducive to those kinds of debates on CBS. And so while maybe he could make more money, maybe he thinks it's more prestigious, it's not. None of them is. He should stay right where he is because the one thing he has at CNN is relevance since he's so much different than everyone else there. Couldn't agree more. He's smart, but they make him look really smart on CNN.

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52:39Here with me today, Walter Kern. He is editor-at-large for County Highway and co-host of America This Week podcast. And I want to tell you, Walter will be joining me on the Megyn Kelly live tour. He is with me on one of the most important nights we will have, and that is November 22nd in Glendale, Arizona with Erica Kirk. This is going to be a big night. It's going to be the last night of the tour. I think it's almost sold out. Last I checked, I told you this the other day, there were like a couple of tickets left, but I thought Walter would be the perfect compliment to Erica. Just all the right gravitas, sensitivity, intelligence, emotional intelligence.

53:20They don't go on together. We do one and then we do the other, but I just think on a big, big night, there's no one I'd rather have with me. And so you can check it out now. Go to megankelly.com. Seven dates to go. So go now and check out what's available. Walter, really looking forward to that for many reasons. Thank you for having me. I haven't been able to thank you personally. What an honor. It's going to be a moving and important evening for us and for the country and for that community. So I'm glad to be there. Oh, thank you. I'm like looking forward to it. And I'm also feeling like that's an important one.

53:57You know, like I, I got to make sure I do a good job that I always worry about doing a good job, but that one, I really can't screw up. So I won't. Um, okay. I teased it at the beginning, but as Stephen L. Miller on X put it, I'm afraid we've disappointed the Obamas again. Once again, we haven't lived up to their high standards and we're essentially being called racist. Here's Michelle Obama, who's promoting a new book on her special fashion and sat down with People magazine and said the following in Sat 26. Hair as women of color, that the way our hair naturally grows out of our head, it's beautiful.

54:42But if we struggle to make it look like the standard, that means we are spending thousands of hours and lots of money straightening out what is naturally curly hair, right? And that takes time out of your life. It costs money. Okay. So what she's saying is she's bitter because society's standards, in her view, don't allow Black women to just walk around with their natural hair. That is bullshit. Black women can walk around with whatever hair they want. Only in Michelle Obama's warped mind do white people not like them unless their hair looks like white hair. And here's the other thing. The nerve, the nerve of this woman to pretend that black women are the only women who have to spend a bunch of time getting their natural hair to, quote, conform to these alleged society standards.

55:43Because virtually every woman I know, every woman spends a shit ton of time on her hair and wants it to look better than God made it. It's not a black thing. It's a human thing. And it's especially a woman thing. But she's always reducing everything to race. my hair naturally should be coming down to my shoulders. I should have a mustache and a beard. Why should I have to shave that off and cut it? I mean, what oppressor is forcing that on me? Sexism. It shouldn't be gray either. I should have to color it. I've defied conventional standards by not doing so. And also thousands of dollars on your hair.

56:29Well, how does she know? I bet she spends tens of thousands, frankly. I want to see her budget. and why doesn't she let her hair grow out naturally? It doesn't appear that it is. She's talking about when she was first lady and how you remember this. She said this at the time. Okay, I had my team pull this. This is Michelle Obama in 2022 explaining why she didn't wear braids when she was first lady. Watch. As black women, we deal with it. The whole thing about, do you show up with your natural hair? you know um braids y 'all you know but but you know as first lady i did not wear braids the first one yeah yeah i mean we gotta ease up on the people you know just like because i thought about it i was like it would be easier no no they're not ready they're not ready we we couldn't have actually we would have accepted it you know what we would have fine no one in america by her as she thinks we are no one in america has their natural hair except for dog the bounty hunter he has his natural hair yeah the rest of us don't i you definitely speak for me i do not have my natural hair either and It takes some effort to look like this.

57:56Name that movie. So this, like, who's she kidding herself that it's just a black thing? Okay, if I went out there with my natural hair, I would look like a toddler, which is why I don't. But everything for her has to be, she's oppressed. She has it harder than we do. I had to pay for my daughter's tickets on my own airplane that we didn't even know she got as first lady. Did not even realize the first lady has her own airplane, but she told us that. And here's the one I think this is actually the one that Stephen L. Miller was was laughing about. Here's OK, hold on a second here. Listen to this, how they they didn't get the grace that other first families do when they took over as first family.

58:41Walter, give you one guess why. Watch this. 20. You said we were all too aware that as a first black couple, we couldn't afford any missteps. And you also say, as a black woman, I was under a particularly white, hot glare. Did you feel that? Shut up. For sure. You can't afford to get anything wrong because you didn't get the, at least until the country came to know us, we didn't get the grace that I think some other families have gotten. Now, don't get me wrong, every first lady faces the kind of scrutiny. Every woman in the public eye faces a certain level of scrutiny because of her physical appearance.

59:24I mean, we live in a culture, sadly, where, you know, if somebody wants to go after a woman, the first thing they do is go after our looks, our size, our physical being as a way to, you know, make us feel small to keep us in place. OK, she's still complaining about the White House. it's exactly the opposite of what she said she got more grace she could have done she could have done almost anything and does she not forget she had just been elected by a majority we'd just shown that we approved of her we did know her we elected her america had put her in the white house well the same america that wasn't going to allow her any grace what they put her in the white house as a joke to trip her up.

1:00:14This is ridiculous. None of it happened. What is she talking about? Yeah. No, everything is a grievance with this woman and the nerve to be like, oh, we didn't get as much grace. They were on every magazine cover. They were treated like Camelot reincarnate. Everybody celebrated them, left the right wing media. Even the right wing media gave them like a nod, a pass or like, OK, the first black president, first black first lady. They were nice about it. They didn't like his policies, but they were nice to them. They were universally celebrated. And now she was on vote. We weren't given the grace of the whites.

1:00:54That's basically what she's saying. The grace. What is she talking about? In other words, she acts like she was persecuted after becoming first lady of the United States. That is the greatest honor so far short of female president that can go to a woman and to her husband. And America did that. And that was an act of persecution. Even electing you president won't get you off our case. What? What do we have to do to get you off our case? No, she's still pissed about her imaginary hair rules. She mentioned it again on, let me see. Is it SOT 21, you guys, the new one? Yeah, I'm trying to find it.

1:01:42Yeah, it's SOT 21. Here she is again, more on the hair. This is with Robin Roberts. That was intentional. But it's like having me, the former first lady, a black woman, show up in the world in her natural hair, even if I didn't do it for those eight years, I understood the importance of doing it at some point and signaling a message to young girls and to professionals out there. Stay out of our hair, you know, we're just trying to get to work and do it fast and efficiently. Don't tell a black woman how to wear her hair. How I wear my hair should be my choice. And it shouldn't be illegal. It shouldn't be something that can't be done if you're part of the military.

1:02:29Illegal. Megan, they're both sitting there with straightened hair. What's going on? Are they trying to drive us crazy? Yes, it shouldn't be illegal. And what, oh, so it's a black woman who you can't tell how to wear her hair. Can you tell the white women? How about the Asians? The Indian women? How about Indian women? They have very thick hair. A lot of times it's curly, it gets unruly. I'm sure they have to do the irons. Just like you, Michelle, just like white women do too. By the way, I've burned my hair down to high heavens with those irons. Like, who is she fucking kidding? Everything, everything is about poor boo fucking who Michelle Obama.

1:03:08And especially when you get her on the topic of race. It's nonstop. Megan, you know why I think they're doing this? Because they're trying to convince young people that something is true that the young people don't realize has always been true. Okay. In other words, I have a store nearby me that says we accept all people. We accept people of all colors and so on. And it's a big sign in the front of the store. And I want to tell young people, you know, even before stores had those signs, they still accepted all people. They're making it seem like there was some past that was terrible. Well, you know what?

1:03:47They're trying to convince young people now that there was some persecution of her and her husband that never happened. It didn't happen. If you're starting to vote now and you don't remember what it was like in 2008, that was a long time ago now. You can have this revisionist history that they faced persecution. And I think they're actually trying to convince people who work there. You are so onto something. You're so onto something. Because here's more from the People Magazine article right up that alley. Listen to Stop 25. The othering that took place of you while you were in the office. When that did get through to you, how did you cope?

1:04:30How did you manage? I mean, I took it for what it was. It was pure hypocrisy. You know, I mean, we just straight up kind of, what, do you not look at history? You know, I could pull up pictures of Jackie O in a second and see this fashion icon in sleeveless dresses as First Lady. At a point, you're like, oh, this is politics. This is, you know, if you can't beat them, make everybody scared of them. How often were we called unpresidential? How many ways were our opponents trying to make us, make the country feel that we were not suitable for this job, even when we had it? this never happened and yet it does happen to donald trump and melania trump all the time of course it does he's the one who's called unpresidential they're trying to assume all the persecution that's ever happened to other people besides them because they are one of the most golden couples in american history they made movies about their courtship has there been a movie yet about when Donald met Melania?

1:05:50Well, I was once staying at the Bowery Hotel in New York City and a bunch of people were filming a movie out front. I said, what's this movie about? And they said, this is about when Michelle and Barack first met and first dated. Nobody got, did George Bush get that with the Barbara Bush dating period? No one's had that treatment. These are some of the most privileged, pampered, wealthy Martha's Vineyard residents, plus their other houses residents in America. And they're acting like they had to cross a Ku Klux Klan, you know, line of hooded cross burners to get into the White House. We elected them.

1:06:32It's still like to this day. It's it's incredible. And to have the nerve of Barack Obama to be out there on the campaign trail in New Jersey and Virginia saying, oh, the Republicans, they're obsessed with DEI. They think DEI is responsible for everything. You know, why are they so focused on DEI and dividing people? You, you, sir, and your wife are the ones who are focused on DEI and dividing people. You see everything through a racial prism. Everything. It's ridiculous. I got news for you, Michelle Obama. White women have to pat the weave, too. It is not just a black thing anymore. So there. Okay.

1:07:09Let's keep going because while we're on the subject of women in the news who are famous and lie, I just have to show this. Did you watch the World Series the other night? No, unfortunately I was giving a speech so I couldn't see it. I haven't re - Well, I don't watch sports. I don't know anything about sports. I don't watch sports. I, you know, I'm an ignoramus when it comes to sports, but it was game seven. So my, my, my son's headed on And it kept going and going and going. It was going so late, but I kept saying, I'm going to bed now. No, next inning, bottom of the ninth, I'm going. No, I stayed up for the whole thing.

1:07:42And it turned out the LA Dodgers won, which I was very happy to see, because why would I be rooting for the Canadians in a match against Americans? I was rooting for the Americans, and I was very happy they won, and I thought it was really crazy. The last couple of innings were great, where they had the catcher. First, that was the Rojas on the Dodgers who hit a home run to tie it up 4-4, and they'd been down 3-0, the Dodgers had. They inched their way back. Rojas ties it up. Now it's 4-4. And then the catcher hits a homer in the 10th inning to put the Dodgers up 5-4, and then they played great defense in the bottom of the 10th to win the thing.

1:08:21It was great. It was truly like out of a movie. It was thrilling just as even a non-sports fan. And one thing I didn't try to do, though, was try to pretend that this was my team, that it was, you know, a moment that brought me to my feet, cheering with tears, because I'm a normal person who doesn't try to do that when I'm not like an avowed sports fan, right? You know who else is in my same camp? Megan Markle, who is not a big tweeter or promoter or anything as far as I can tell about sports at all, though she is originally from someplace out in California. And she, I mean, just weirdly, I was sitting there in my family room, Walter, by this point, it was just me and my oldest child, who's 16, because it was late.

1:09:09It was like midnight when they won. Weirdly, I did not have a camera on us. I wasn't ready to film us on the winning moment. My eyes, as my son's eyes, were focused on the television because that was what was interesting. But weirdly, Meghan Markle just happened to have herself on camera along with Prince Harry at the moment and shared this little gem with us.

1:09:53Oh, my God. Poor Harry. Poor Harry.

1:10:05Is that their security camera that they turned on? It didn't look like anybody was actually filming. That looked like automatic coverage. Yeah. So what they did was go back and check their security camera. for a bit of themselves and then posted it. That whole reaction was as authentic as those Lauren Sanchez boobs we talked about earlier. Whoa. Well, you know, I would have liked to see the Dodgers lose just to see what they would have, you know, done. It would have been crying, weeping, pulling their hair out. It would have been the queen. Remember, she cried the single tear at the queen's funeral, who she helped kill, in my view.

1:10:45At least the guy didn't pretend to be an American. He's been doing a lot of pretending to be an American or being a British person who has something to say. Was that him sitting in the chair? Was that him in the chair? He did go to the game wearing an L.A. Dodgers hat. So, I mean, I don't give him a full pass because he's still pretending. But he looked like a hostage there. I mean, you really kind of wanted to have King Charles send in some, the equivalent of the Navy SEALs, into Montecito to go rescue the prince. well Megan he didn't know that that was going to be released worldwide he thought he was in his he thought he was in his own home just you know with his kooky wife and her friend and he didn't have any reason to behave he must be so pissed right now wait you released that I had a chance to get up and hug you and go wow yeah but I didn't know we're going to use our home security footage as she died.

1:11:44Tell me next time. She never misses an opportunity to make it about herself. Like truly, even I was happy for the Dodgers. Like I said, I would never think what I should do is make this about me and myself as opposed to the Dodgers, you numbskull. But she's, I mean, She parachuted into Uvalde where a bunch of children were murdered and made sure she got caught by those cameras. Then just a couple of weeks ago, caught going past the spot where Princess Diana was so brutally killed in that terrible car crash with her bare feet swinging in the car without a care in the world and the music playing.

1:12:27Link Lauren calls her a disaster tourist, and she is. And now she peppers it here with, see, there I am. It's all about me and my joy because I swear I'm authentic. I'm a Californian. I love the Dodgers just like normal people, even though I'm firing or at least losing my 10th publicist right now, literally days earlier in the news because I bully everyone. her husband must if he is not angry as hell right now and that he even allowed that to come out is actually troubling because it didn't make him look particularly good except that he wasn't part of part of the hysteria but to allow your home security footage with you in it to be released publicly by your wife so that she can get a few points as a dodgers fan dude i hate to use the word cocked.

1:13:18I never used the word cocked, but that's cocked. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think we've known that about Harry for quite some time. I got to keep going because I don't want to waste a second of your time. Last week, we played a soundbite of Kamala Harris sitting down with ABC, but not this ABC, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, and a journalist there named Sarah Ferguson. And it was great because Sarah Ferguson would not allow Kamala to dodge. She asked the question like, don't you think it was Joe Biden's frailties and like his inability to be honest about them that really cost you in your abbreviated race?

1:13:54Like, don't you think that undermined you? And Kamala dodged, tried to blame it on Trump. And Sarah was like, that's a world pivot dodge. But the question was about Joe Biden. Kamala looked confused. She looked kind of angry. and it didn't go well for Kamala. Well, after the fact, that ABC released new tape of what happened when the interview ended. And what you're about to hear is a Kamala Harris staffer ending it. Listen here, watch, Saudi. I want to come back to the book and the purpose of the book. So this is the last question. We've got the right time. We've got to go, sorry. Yeah, well, that's almost a first.

1:14:35not an absolute first, but to have a member of staff of the former vice president of the United States actually speak up during the interview to say that we were going too long. I didn't expect that. But coming back to the interview itself, it seems to me at its very heart, there is a reluctance on the part of Kamala Harris to actually spell out and talk about the issues that Joe Biden had as president. Can you imagine wanting to be leader of the free world and letting your staff staff jump in to save you during a tough interview? Well, I mean, it makes you wonder who the leader of the free world is, if it's really the president of the United States anymore.

1:15:19We know that with Joe Biden that it wasn't. We know that some distant ghost was directing that auto pen. I guess by the time she came along, it wasn't embarrassing because the guy that she'd worked for had been having his staff wheel him in and out of the room. I mean, that was the norm by the time Kamala came along. And she looked like a dog that was confused because it was getting conflicting orders. You know what I mean? Do I go on the newspaper or do I go on the rug? You know, because she she she didn't even have an answer. She did. Wasn't mad at the staff member. She she looked completely buffaloed.

1:16:06I feel sorry for her. Who wrote her book, by the way? Did she really write it? I mean, she's on a book tour in which her whole her whole reason that she was there was to answer that question, basically. And that and that kind of question. She wrote a book. It's not like they, you know, parachuted in with some adversarial, you know, interview. She's out there and she can't even judge, you know, how to respond. She has to have somebody else do it. That is proof positive that we didn't just dodge a bullet. We dodged a nuclear bomb. Yeah. And you know what's so amazing, Walter, is like, of course, what she should have done, Kamala was to say, I'll decide when it's over.

1:16:52Finish your question, Sarah. We're good. You know, like she doesn't she doesn't have the presence or the confidence to do that. And more than that, she was grateful for the lifeline. She was like, oh, God, I guess I'll show. Let me just show the earlier exchange. This is why she was grateful for the lifeline. Here's what had happened just a bit earlier in Sop 9. Wasn't Joe Biden then to put it on him, wasn't his refusal to recognize his own frailties the reason that you faced a nearly impossible task? I ran against Donald Trump for president. And Donald Trump ran on a platform that was in large part, I believe, misrepresenting his intentions to the American people.

1:17:42I do believe that there are a fair number of people that voted for Donald Trump who believed him when he told them that his first priority on day one is going to be to bring down prices. And he didn't. And you combine that misrepresentation of intention with also what was at play in terms of massive amounts of mis - and disinformation. Now, forgive me. And a truncated calendar in terms of the clock. I want to interrupt you because that is a world-class pivot, but it is not the question that I asked you, which is about Joe Biden's failure to recognize his own frailties and what that did to you.

1:18:24The question is about Joe Biden. Are you still reluctant to criticize the former president? In what regard, please? Well, just in terms of that question. The regard I just said. What exactly would you like to ask? Be more specific, if you don't mind. I already did that. It's like you could see her flailing. And so it does not just set up perfectly what we just saw. She was afraid, Walter. This is there were two massive frauds committed on us last this time last year. The Joe Biden is mentally acute fraud and the fraud that this woman could do the job. and that and that's why the aide stepped in because she was in a trap right there because the premise of the question was that she knew he was he was frail and she's never really said that you know what i mean she she would to say yeah that was a problem for me would have been to admit the premise that he was in terrible shape and she's never done that and she can't do it And you know what's scary about that whole interview?

1:19:24She thinks she can still run for office. She's still trying to save her reputation, obviously, for later. She thinks that she has a future in politics. That's why they're handling her that way. We'll see. I hope she's right. I really do. I hope she's right. She has a future in politics and she's going to go for it. Godspeed. Godspeed. Walter Kern, always a pleasure, my friend. See you soon. We'll see you soon. Okay, up next, we're going to take a deep dive into lawfare, specifically involving Letitia James. I've been wanting to do this segment for a while. I'll explain why in a second. We'll be right back.

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1:23:35As we've been telling you on October 9th, the Department of Justice indicted New York State's Democratic Attorney General Letitia James on one count of bank fraud and one count of false statements to a financial institution. Ms. James is accused of illegally obtaining favorable terms for a mortgage in Norfolk, Virginia, that she described in her application as a second residence, a second home, when the feds say she actually used it as a rental investment property. Left-leaning outlets have published article after article after article describing the case as incredibly weak. Some examples. ABC News on October 23rd, evidence appears to undercut claims against Letitia James, prosecutors found.

1:24:21sources. Political, October 29th. Three words in Letitia James's mortgage contract could doom the fraud case against her. And on it goes. Here's what I want to tell you. I said to my team, let's find out if there is anyone, anyone supporting this indictment, anyone defending it. I'm a lawyer. I like to see both sides. I couldn't find a single one. I'll show you. I'm going to put the board, the search results that I got, both when I did an independent Google search and when I went to chat GPT, I looked and looked and looked, I couldn't find anything. And I said to my team, this is ridiculous. So I asked one of my top producers, former lawyer, former practicing lawyer, current lawyer still, we all are, see if you can find one.

1:25:10And he came up with one guy. And the reason we found this one guy is because he was being dumped on by the non-lawyers over at lawfare.com, they decided this one man who wrote an attempt to take an honest look at this, well, he's a fraudster. He's a convicted fraudster. So we can't, we can't listen to him. Okay. Now he's the one guy who's actually looking into this saying the mainstream media has it all wrong and that Tish James is in big trouble. And his name is Sam Antar. His site is whitecollarfraud.com. And Mr. Antar has quite an interesting background. He's now a financial fraud investigator, but previously he helped mastermind one of the largest security frauds of the 1980s when he was CFO of Crazy Eddie Inc.

1:25:58You remember the Crazy Eddie commercials? Crazy Eddie. Oh, he was the CFO and he was defrauding investors out of over$500 million, which he admits. As he writes on his website, yes, I'm a convicted felon. That's why I know fraud when I see it. Sam joins me now. Sam, hi. Thanks for being here. This is very interesting. I thought your analysis was very probative and helped me start asking the right questions. And as you point out in your piece online, there's a reason you knew where to look and how to determine for yourself whether there might be fire where this smoke is here. So just walk us through how this came to you in your first analysis.

1:26:34All right. First of all, I was looking into a lot of politicians in New York City, and I happened upon Letitia James. And one of the things I was looking at were her financial records that she had given to New York State. And on her financial records in 2020, she purchases his home in Virginia on Peroni Avenue, 321 Peroni Avenue. Then all of a sudden, it showed no mortgage in 2020, no mortgage in 2021, and no mortgage in 2022. All of a sudden in 2023, two mortgages pop up on that property, and the value of those mortgages exceeded the value that she stated on her financial disclosures. And as a forensic accountant, you take their word and you use it against them.

1:27:26So it said$400 ,000 approximately worth of mortgages, and it said$150 ,000 value. Her declarations, her signature, not me, her. So what's the first red flag? Wow, two mortgages exceeding the value of the property by more than double. So as a result, I ordered a title report. And what I found in the title report surprised me. The title report included a mortgage from when she purchased the property in 2020. It's called the OVM mortgage. And that mortgage was never disclosed in her financial disclosures to New York State. The two mortgages that were disclosed in her financial disclosures to New York State, They weren't on the property report.

1:28:17So I call up the county clerk's office. They're invisible. I call them phantom mortgages or unrecorded mortgages. So you have two things. You have two unrecorded mortgages exceeding the value of the property by more than double. And you have one mortgage that was never disclosed when she purchased the property. And the mortgage, all mortgages have to be disclosed. So what's going on here? So then I read the mortgage contract. You know, it's a progression. And I look at the mortgage contract and she purchases it as a second home. This is for the Peroni property in Norfolk, Virginia. Yeah, in Norfolk, Virginia.

1:29:01So the first thing I do is I look at, it's a second home, fine. I'm going to look at the disclosure of the property. She says it's an investment property. An investment property is different. And just to be clear, where does she say it's an investment property? Every public official in New York State has to file a financial disclosure listing their assets, their liabilities, their income, and so on. So on her financial disclosure, when she lists this property, she lists it as an investment property. She says in the first year that her income from the property was$1 ,000 to$5 ,000. But on the mortgage itself, it said it was a second home.

1:29:46And those two things cannot be the same thing? A second home cannot be an investment property? But it cannot be the same thing. Because if you're buying it as a second home, it's a different underwriting standard than if you are buying it as an investment property. The liability insurance is different. The property insurance is different. And also the banks will look at it differently and underwrite it differently and require a higher down payment and or a higher interest rate. If it's an investment property. If it's a second home, they'll give you a little bit better deal because they think you're going to live in it, right?

1:30:21Like you get the best deal on your primary home. You get the next best deal on your secondary home. And you get probably the worst deal on an investment home because that's the one you're least likely to pay if you fall on hard times. And none of this, none of this, by the way, is in the media coverage. It's all ignored. It's kind of like, you know, they don't want to know the truth. This is in the media coverage. Everything that I do in my blog is in black and white. Okay. I've linked to every single document. It's all public domain. If I screw up, it's only because Letitia James screwed up. In other words, I rely exclusively on what she did and what she represented.

1:31:00So you have red flag number one. Next red flag is the media coverage of the indictment. Okay. All of a sudden they're saying it's a weak case. It's never been brought before. So I'm going to bring you two specific cases. One is a Supreme Court case called the United States versus Wells. And one of the things they said was, is that, you know, it doesn't involve a lot of money. The bank didn't rely on it, whatever. The United States versus Wells specifically says, OK, that reliance by the bank on a false declaration is irrelevant. Damage to the bank on a false declaration is irrelevant. The only thing that's relevant is the false declaration.

1:31:51And the United States and the United States versus Mohammed brought a very similar case on that. But they say there was never a case brought. So that's even more media misinformation. The other generalized media - By the way, by the way, not for nothing, Sam, but that's the exact argument she was making against Donald Trump a few months ago in the case she brought against him for alleged fraud against a bank who wasn't complaining. She's very familiar with that legal principle. No offense to Donald Trump. I don't even like him. And I don't really care about that case. I am a forensic accountant focusing on this case.

1:32:26So to me, it's totally irrelevant. I don't like, I hate when these pundits bring up these other stuff and they say that. No, this is this case. The evidence is there. The documents were signed by her. Now, they miss a lot of things that are in the indictment, okay? And they probably purposely do this. For instance, nobody mentions paragraph 9 of the indictment. That is the insurance clause. She said that she was going to occupy the property. Well, guess what? There's a Schedule E on paragraph 10 of the indictment that says that she took no personal days on the property. Wait, hold the roll. Slow your roll.

1:33:13Stand by. I want to walk the audience through this because the language is, it's right there, black and white, and we can read it. What exactly she promised in the second home rider clause that you looked up, that this is what she promised in getting the mortgage. Borrower will occupy and use the property as her second home. Okay, so she's promising, I will occupy it and I will use it as my second home. And I will also maintain exclusive control over the occupancy of the property, including short-term rentals. Now, there's another important, and all of that's going to become relevant. She promised to occupy it.

1:33:56She promised to use it. She promised to maintain exclusive control over it. And her side is capitalizing on the including short term rentals, which we'll get to in a minute. But there's another there's another piece of the same paragraph, which you've been calling attention to, where she says, I also promise to keep the property available primarily as a residence for my personal use and enjoyment for at least one year. These are all legal terms of art. My personal use and enjoyment, personal use and enjoyment has meaning in the law. And we're going to get to what that means. Here's a hint. It does not mean you never, ever go and you just let your weird cousin or third grandniece use it.

1:34:41Go ahead. You take it now, Sam. And it's contradicted, okay, by her own disclosures to the Internal Revenue Service. Okay, but wait, wait, wait. I'm trying to keep it super simple so everybody can follow because you have very sophisticated analysis. Can we start with the promise that she will occupy and use the property as her second home? Did she live up to that? No. And what they're trying to say, well, it didn't allow short-term rentals. Well, it wasn't the short-term rental. It was fully occupied every day by a family member. She can't tell the IRS one thing and tell the bank another thing.

1:35:22That's illegal. That's perjury. That is fraud. Now, even the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac basically says, when you're talking about primarily, it has to be more than 180, 183 days or more. And now just to be clear, you're jumping down to that second part of the paragraph that I read, where she promised to keep the property available primarily as a residence for my personal use and enjoyment for at least one year. So now we're looking into, well, what does that mean? Did she, did she do that? Did she keep it available for her personal use and enjoyment for at least one year? Go ahead. Well, if she did, then she committed income tax evasion.

1:36:07She took depreciation deductions that she wasn't supposed to take. She took all kinds of expenses that she wasn't supposed to declare on a tax return. So you choose. You want to be a tax evader or you want to be a mortgage fraudster? And the reason she was able to take those tax deductions was because to the IRS, she listed it as an investment property and she she deducted expenses that she incurred as a result of the property. And she disclosed some of those payments she got from the family, like for utilities and so on to the IRS. So you're saying none of that supports her using it primarily as a residence for her personal use and enjoyment for at least one year.

1:36:50So to summarize, her schedule that she files with the IRS says zero personal days. Okay. She says on her mortgage application and on her mortgage that she's going to be the primary resident. Both cannot be true. Now, there's another dimension of income tax rate because there's going to be superseding indictments. What your audience doesn't understand, she didn't commit mortgage fraud on one property. She committed it on three properties over a period of 42 years. There's a pattern here. And that pattern is admissible even if they don't bring the other two cases, which I believe they will. Okay?

1:37:26Now, on Schedule E, okay, if you are renting it to a relative, which she says she did, right, and she's claiming now that the relative was paying under fair market value, right? Yeah,$7 ,000 over a year is definitely not fair value in Norfolk. Right. It's definitely not fair value in Norfolk. Then she's got another problem. Because if you're renting it to a relative under market value, the difference between the real market value and the amount that you're receiving is taxable income to you. There's no way out for her. And that's what people don't understand. Wait, it's not taxable income to Tisch.

1:38:11Wouldn't it be taxable income to the family members staying inside that? No, it would be. Yes, it would be taxable income to the it would be taxable income to the family members. But here's the other thing on if she has been renting it below fair market value on schedule E. Right. She supposed to say no. She's supposed to say all of those no personal days are personal days. And if they are personal days, she did. She also falsified the tax return, if that's the case. In other words, I can't. I get it. No, no, hold on. Let me let me try to say it. But I can tell you every answer she gives causes another problem.

1:38:53OK, if she's counting the relatives staying in the Norfolk home as, quote, personal days, then she has misstated the facts to the IRS, to whom she represented. There were no personal days. If she's not counting, if she's saying that there were no personal days via the family members, that those did not count as personal days, and that's why her IRS disclosure said no personal days, then she's violated the terms of the mortgage where she promised she would keep the property available primarily as a residence for borrowers' personal use and enjoyment for at least one year. And I actually looked it up myself, Sam, and here's what I found.

1:39:31This is according to case law, interpreting the Fannie and the Freddie mortgage application that we just went through. A borrower cannot spend zero time at the property if the mortgage is for a primary or secondary residence, if the mortgage application has that term, but for borrowers' personal use and enjoyment language. So if, as the Fannie and the Freddie mortgage requires, that you promise you'll use it for your own personal use and enjoyment for at least one year, primarily, that you may not spend zero time there because this language has been found to imply a requirement for occupancy, a requirement the borrower must occupy the property for more than half of the calendar year if it is a second home, meaning they can't even leave it for extended periods.

1:40:18So if that is the law, she's toast because even she's not alleging she was in this property for more than half a year, which means she did not live up to the mortgage terms. No, she did not. And then you have the insurance fraud. Now, everybody's making fun of Lindsay Halligan. They call her the MAGA beauty queen. Oh, she's an insurance lawyer. Well, guess what? There's also insurance fraud because she told the insurance company that she was going to occupy the property. So pick your fraud. Insurance fraud, income tax evasion, whatever you are. mortgage fraud, whatever you want. And then they're acting like, oh, it's a clerical error.

1:40:59Well, guess what? On a Brooklyn property, which is not part of the indictment, which I think will be as superseding indictments come out, she lied on 10 mortgages over 20 years. She said that the property was four units versus the actual certificate of occupancy that says five units. Now, why is that a big difference? Because a five unit property is considered commercial for underwriting and insurance standards, whereas four or less, you get a non-commercial policy and commercial policies are much more expensive and also commercial mortgages are much more expensive. And you have another property where she claimed that a few days before the Trump trial, that that was going to be a primary residence.

1:41:45I mean, this is not one isolated instance where Sam Antar says, gotcha. This is a pattern of fraudulent behavior. And even if they don't indict under the federal rules of discovery and I'm not a lawyer like you are, but under the federal rules, you can introduce that evidence. Yeah, you can introduce pattern evidence. You can introduce pattern evidence. Yes, you can. That's how they got Harvey Weinstein in his criminal case. This would be a different way of doing it. I mean, they could potentially, if they can convince a Brooklyn, the Eastern District of New York prosecutor to do it, they could have that person join in this prosecution and say, she did it too in Brooklyn, Your Honor.

1:42:24I don't know if they'd go that far, if they'd have a prosecutor willing to do it. But I do think it's very interesting. I mean, here's the bottom line as I see it. She promised through this second home rider that she would occupy and use the property as her second home. She certified to the IRS that she had zero days of personal use that first year at all. Now, maybe there's some backdoor where she says my family living there qualifies as personal use. OK, if is that if maybe that gets her out of the covenant to occupy and use the property, though, I really don't know. I'm just giving her the benefit of the doubt.

1:42:56There's a second covenant in here where she promised that she would keep the property available in addition to occupy and use available primarily as a residence for her personal use and enjoyment for at least one year. So while she was allowed to do rentals per that one clause you could do for one year, it was supposed to be available primarily as a residence for her personal use and enjoyment. And the case law that is interpreted this Fannie and Freddie Ryder has said that means she needs to have been in it for at least half the year, which she wasn't. And that first year, I don't think she was there at all.

1:43:30You know, you know, Megan, you're on your you have a law degree, but you're not really practicing, practicing law. All of these pundits that get on is supposed to be experts and they're practicing law. Why can't they do what you just did? Because they hate Trump so much. And they, some of them, love her. I don't like him too, but the law is the law. Yeah. Well, that's my, and you know, I, it's way more important to me to be honest with my audience than it is for me to run cover for Trump or attack his enemies. Way more important to me that I maintain my dignity in honest analysis. This is a result of Donald Trump's vendetta.

1:44:07I brought the case to the feds. I found the case. I brought the case to the feds. Donald Trump doesn't pay me. I'm a Democrat. I'm not even a Republican, okay? I was the one that brought the case. Nobody else. I brought it to the - You did? Who did you bring it to, Sam? What? Who'd you bring it to? Well, first of all, look at my history. I trained law enforcement for over 20, 30 years after Crazy Eddie's. I've done whistleblower cases for major law firms. I've helped them prosecute class action lawsuits, et cetera. People read my blog and they follow it. And sometimes they'll call and ask questions or sometimes they'll have an email and I'll explain further, just like when your people contacted me.

1:44:50So this is not something that, you know, I pick up the phone. Hey, Donald, guess what? I got a fraud for you. I got to letitia James. That's not what happened. This is part of a process. This is what I do. I solve puzzles. Did you contact anybody, though, in the administration? What? Did you contact anybody? I've had no contact with the administration, but I have had contact with law enforcement within the government dealing with this case, as they should have contact with me. Well, yeah. I mean, you're an expert witness on this, you know, for reasons we discussed. I don't have to be an expert witness.

1:45:26The documents speak for themselves. Yeah. The documents speak for themselves. The problem is it's confusing. It's confusing if you don't understand, you know, fraud. It's confusing because the media makes it confusing. OK, when you get in front of a jury and you lay it all out, it won't be confusing because you won't have to deal with the spin and this and that. That's why we have trials. Yeah. Well, I think the bottom line here is don't believe what the media is telling you. This actually is more complicated a case than it looks. It's not some simple open and shut in Tish James's favor, if anything.

1:46:01To summarize, she wasn't allowed to rent it out for more than 182 days, right? That's what the mortgage clause says. The mortgage clause says a failure to do that is material. They claimed it was immaterial. That's something we didn't bring up. Her insurance policy contradicts her mortgage. She said she was going to be the primary occupant, okay? The Schedule E on her tax return also contradicts her mortgage. So what do you want to do? Take your pick. Which fraud do you want? She's in an inescapable position, and she knows it. So what is she trying to do? She's trying to try it in the press. Go ahead and try it.

1:46:49What kind of behavior is it for a state attorney general? You have to get through all of us. She's not a mob boss. She's an officer of the court, and she should know better. she should conduct herself with class. She's got no class. And that's what I have to say. Okay. I should note, of course, denied the charges. She says she is totally innocent of the charges and that she looks forward to proving that important. When they came after me, I was totally innocent too. Till you were at it. I denied the charges. How long did you serve for? Oh, I had a very, very rough time. Six months of house arrest.

1:47:26So no prison jokes. Oh, okay. Okay, nothing. I won't. I'll keep it to myself. Well, thank you for writing the piece. It gave me a lot to chew on, and I really appreciate it, Sam. Never need me on again. Let me know. Thank you very much. I have a feeling we will. All the best to you. So hopefully that was clarifying to you that at a minimum, it's a lot more complicated than the mainstream media wants you to believe. This mortgage law and insurance law and tax law is no joke. And even if these terms have different meanings, you know, like I asked myself, does, you know, personal use days, does that have a different meaning with the IRS than it does in real estate law?

1:47:58And I actually think it does. does have a different use, but I don't see how she gets around the fact that this keep the property available primarily as a residence for your personal use and enjoyment appears to mean, according to the case law interpreting the Fannie and Freddie mortgages, appears to mean that the borrower is not allowed to spend zero time there and that the borrower is saying that they will occupy the property for more than half the calendar year if it's a second home. And she just didn't do that. I don't even see her claiming that she did that. At best, she's claiming she spent days down there from time to time.

1:48:31That's not going to do it. So all I'm asking is keep an open mind, okay? Keep an open mind on this and we'll see how it goes. If it's just as clear as some others say, then this will get dismissed on the papers. And if it's not, we're going to have a trial. Okay. We are back tomorrow live on the Megyn Kelly channel. It's our first day of channel 111 on Sirius XM being the Megyn Kelly channel, and we will kick it off with Matt Walsh and VDH. Big one. See you then. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.