Trump's Miraculous and Historic Hostage Deal, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, and Cheryl Hines on Smears of RFK Jr. | Ep. 1170

26:24It's going to be very painful for you unless you give up the hostages and end this thing. So their protectors basically told them it's over. And Trump made those protectors do it while looking at Bibi saying, yes, you need to take this deal. But also, if they don't take this deal, do your thing. End them. And he said openly to Hamas, they're going to obliterate you and I will not stand in the way. So this is your last chance. He has their allies saying you're effed unless you take this. We're out of here. It's more important to us to do business with the United States. And you had Trump looking directly at them saying this.

26:59See this this crazed, you know, bulldog next to me who really would love to wipe every last one of you out. I'm going to let him off his leash. I'm the only thing holding his leash. And I will look forward to him killing you and ending you if you don't come to reason. That's why it ended. So it's you know, we talked about some of the things that led Trump to think it could be done and actually get it done. But I would say, too, the other the other reason he was the only one who could do it. And it's like it's destiny. It's almost just it's destiny like it. It had to be him and it had to be him right now is.

27:34He crazy, like in a great way, you know, but Trump crazy. He's a little crazy. He's like all the crazy shit he does where it's like from, you know, Soleimani to like threatening judges that he might he might not follow their rulings. He has followed them, but like openly threatening them. And just like he's indicting Letitia James, which is good. I think she might have done something really bad. So I'm in favor of it. But I'm just saying like these are all stuff. Every thought like the mainstream people, the respectable people said, don't don't do any of that. Stop all of that. Don't. Why are we getting a new White House ballroom?

28:11Why are you taking a plane from Qatar? Why did you gild the White House? Why? And it's all part of the same crazy ass awesome package. It's all that's so destabilizing for the people who watch him. They're like, holy shit, there's no knowing what he might do. Like, he posed for the mugshot and then put his mugshot on t-shirts and mugs and sold them. He did crypto with his—all the crazy ass shit he's done has led everyone, including Hamas, to realize that motherfucker is going to do whatever he wants. He cannot be shamed out of this course of action. There's no conglomerate that can pull him back by the bit.

29:00He is a singular historic figure. And for better or for worse, and in Hamas's case, I think they concluded for worse, we're stuck with him. I think I told you this story once, but I had a subway experience that I think perfectly encapsulates what you're describing, which is I got on the subway and there was a slightly crazy person sitting opposite me. You know, nothing too menacing, talking to himself, you know, twitching, giggling. Yeah, exactly. We pull into the station, the doors open and a person who's like really crazy gets on. And this is one of these people who's like shouting and gesticulating.

29:36And, you know, everybody's like, oh God, is there going to be an incident? Please don't look at me, And Meghan, that slightly crazy person sat up straight, stopped talking to himself and immediately started behaving because he didn't want to attract any attention to himself. It was like a game recognized game situation. And I always think about that when I see Trump sitting next to somebody like Erdogan, you know, or Sisi or Putin, you know, Trump is the crazier dude. So they are going to sit there and behave because he just has the bigger cojones and they just don't know what he's going to do because he answers to nobody but the American people.

30:16It's true. This is like this is one of his most and least attractive features. It's like such a crazy combination. And one man will never have anybody like him. We really should be thanking God every day that we have this president and he's our leader. We're so lucky. We're so lucky he's willing to serve. He's rich beyond measure. He does not need this job. He could be off with the beautiful Melania enjoying his Scottish golf course, whatever he wants. He wasn't done. And honestly, like today, Peter Doocy raised the question of heaven again with Trump. This is a very interesting ongoing thread with Trump.

30:57He's got real doubts he's going to get in. He clearly believes in heaven. He was raised Christian and going to church on the Upper West Side. And with Norman Vincent Peale as his pastor, power of positive thinking. And he asked him again today. You would think today of all days, Batya. You know, you had me convinced I'm getting in because of what you said, even though I really had nothing to do with this. But I was I was liking it. Yeah, maybe this I could use this when I get to the pearly gates and he brings up all the mean things I said about people. And Trump, too, even on a day like this, clearly has doubts, which almost suggests a touch of humility.

31:38What's going on? The pigs, they're flying. Watch this. You had talked a couple weeks ago, you were doing an interview, and you talked about how you hoped to end the war in Ukraine because it might help you get into heaven. How does this help? Does this help? I mean, you know, I'm being a little cute. I don't think there's anything going to get me in heaven, okay? I think I'm not maybe heaven-bound. I may be in heaven right now as we fly an Air Force One. I'm not sure I'm going to be able to make heaven. But I've made life a lot better for a lot of people. really incredible. He wouldn't say that if he weren't actually thinking about it.

32:21You know, Trump, he really doesn't lie. Like he lies the way politicians lie, but this isn't a lie. You can tell that he's genuinely been thinking about it as everyone does as they get later in the years. And I do wonder about you, is that what we're seeing there? Like humility? What's, what is that? What's happening? I have been seeing on his face the same look. And I wonder if you agree with me as on the first night of the RNC, which was the first time we had seen him since the Butler assassination attempt, that same sort of almost beatific, like that he understands that this is now, it's just, it's notched up to the next level.

33:02He's leveled up. That same kind of humility vis-a-vis the greatness of what is transpiring around him and because of him. And then, of course, just like when he finally gave his speech at the RNC and he, you know, he opened his mouth and it was Trump again. Right. Same thing in the Knesset, you know. So he had this look on his face of almost awe at what was happening around him. And then he became Trump like immediately. And it was like a relief. OK, he's still him. You know, I've been thinking a lot about something Ben Shapiro said after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, which is, you know, Charlie wasn't just a great man.

33:38He was a good man. And, you know, sometimes I think, you know, you don't actually have to be a good man to be a great man, although I do think Trump is a good man and the people who know him closest talk about a very giving person. You know, that thing of like the greatness is not always something that a person might themselves interpret as, you know, the kind of banal, you know, mundane, everyday little kindnesses that one typically thinks in a religious context are the kinds of things that would get you into heaven. But I hope he doesn't really believe that he's he's not headed there, because obviously, you know, he's gone.

34:16He's for sure he's gone. If Trump doesn't get into heaven, there's no hope for the rest of us. Because, listen, if it's a balancing test at all, if it's like if the test is, have you done anything bad? We're all screwed. If the if it's a balancing test, he's he's got it. I can tell you, Trump is a lawyer. You're good. I've done the weighing of the evidence. It's it's beyond a reasonable doubt that you're getting in. So you should celebrate personally, too. All right. Stand by. I've got to take a break. Really enjoying this day. This is a wonderful, wonderful day. And we should celebrate. God bless the United States of America.

34:47God bless Trump. God bless the Middle East, just as he put it. And that's not an accidental turn of phrase. Other presidents used to just say Israel, and President Trump intentionally widened it to say, we're looking at all of you. We're here for all of you. There's goodness to be had for all of us. More with Batya coming up right after this, speaking of goodness. Grand Canyon University, an affordable, private Christian university based in beautiful Phoenix, Arizona, is one of the largest universities in the country. Praised for its culture of community and impact, GCU integrates the free market system, a welcoming Christian worldview, and free and open discourse into more than 360 academic programs, including more than 300 online.

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36:10We absolutely have to keep talking. It's more important now than ever. To cower, to hide, to go silent is not the answer. And all I can tell you is there is no fucking way I am canceling one stop on this tour. Not one stop. I'm going. I'm going to stand on these stages and I'm going to say all the things that we say all the time on this show. We're going to make it safe for me. We're going to make it safe for my team and my guests and you. We're going coast to coast and And do something really important, which is say what's true and what's real to honor him. I really now more than ever would love to see you all face to face.

36:53God, I would love to see you face to face. I need to see you face to face. I am doing this tour, and I would love for you to join me. MeganKelley.com for the tickets.

37:08Thank you for standing up to the lies against Israel and the United Nations. Thank you for brokering the historic Abraham Accords. Thank you for withdrawing from the disastrous Iran nuclear deal. Thank you for supporting Operation Rising Line and for your bold decision to launch Operation Midnight Hammer. My friends, this is only a partial list. But it's enough to affirm what I've said time and again. Donald Trump is the greatest friend that the state of Israel has ever had in the White House.

37:55Everyone is getting up on their feet. Everyone cheering.

38:05Trump's sitting there behind and next to Netanyahu. Wow. That's the most you ever get from Trump is just sort of like a beguiling smirk. You know, he's definitely enjoying it, you know, but he, it's funny because he works so hard, but he actually doesn't, I don't, he doesn't really take himself that seriously. Even in a moment like this, you think he's proud of himself, but he's kind of like, hey, this is kind of cool. he actually got like a literal red carpet rolled out for him when he landed there was on the beach the big like we love President Trump there's been all these I mean everybody people are going crazy on social media in Israel singing his praises saying oh my god there was this one woman like I wasn't going to vote for you I didn't like her I didn't want you to win in other words I didn't grab him by the P word no and she's like I was wrong I was wrong about all of it like completely jubilant over there watching him.

39:00He was asked about the pettiness by some here at home. It's not happening with the Israelis, but some of our own, like I mentioned, Blinken and others. And he had he had a good response. Here it is in South 33. Blinken says it's good that President Trump adopted and built on the plan that the Biden administration developed. What do you think about that? Everybody knows it's a joke. Remember when B.B. came and he begged that you not do what they were doing with Iran? You remember that, right? Begged them. And they wouldn't even listen to him. Everything they did was the opposite of what you should have done.

39:36And it's nice that they try and take a little credit. That was years ago, and the mistakes were made years ago. And it was both by Biden and Obama. Right on. And then listen to this, Baja, just to turn the page a little. um the media so the media has had to admit what an accomplishment this is it's been very fun to watch like they're so angry about it they're just like begrudgingly they have to be like it's a huge win never seen anything like it all right and then here's christian amampur i mean truly you can watch the tds coming out of her ears as she says the following watch this And I think for sure, people who start to talk to the hostages who've only just been released will find that it will take a long, long time for them to recover physically, but also mentally.

40:31It's been a terrible, terrible two years for them because not only are they there, you know, they're probably being treated better than the average Ghazan because they are the pawns and the chips that Hamas had. Now Hamas has given up all its leverage, by the way. sure it was a day at the park for the israeli hostages who were actually starving to death who were in underground tunnels who had for weeks and months in some cases hoods over their heads and were beaten and abused repeatedly who had to watch their loved ones die whose loved ones had been killed in their arms whose babies died i'm sure it was a really wonderful experience christian What the hell is she saying?

41:12Just absolute scum of the earth. And I don't say words like that often. They were starved. They were tortured. The women were sexually assaulted routinely. They were all beaten. They were tied for days and days on end. You could see the evidence of the torture on the arms of the returning men and on the women. Just disgusting. And Megan, that's who our legacy media is. They are the stenographers of terrorists. She's literally running cover for Hamas. She's why? What would possess you to, first of all, lie? It's wrong. You're a journalist. You're supposed to know this. We all saw that picture of Evyatar David, although maybe they didn't show it on CNN because they can't stand showing bad things that terrorists do.

42:07But so it's A, it's wrong. But B, what would possess you, even if it was true, to try to find a positive spin on the kidnapping by terrorists of innocent young people? It's so disgusting and yet so totally in line with how our legacy media has treated this. The New York Times had a headline the other day, you know, what will Hamas do now that it's given up its leverage? You know, like like the New York Times is very worried that the mass raping, baby killing group that hides behind its own women and children and tortures and executes its own elderly and teenagers is not going to have any leverage anymore.

42:49This is who they've been from the beginning of this conflict because they're totally woke-ified and everybody who works and consumes this legacy media at this point are part of that disgusting, over-credentialed leftist elite who inherently side with the people they see as having less power. And so they're completely in the bag for Hamas. But just to see that from Christian Amanpour on CNN on this of all days, just utterly, utterly, utterly repulsive. I'm seeing so many people on social media saying, that's it. I'm never watching that channel again. Good. I mean, they should have come to that realization a long time ago.

43:24But it is it's interesting to watch. You know, we are seeing cheers in the Middle East. We are seeing cheers amongst the Palestinians for Trump. We are seeing that. It's crazy. Trump made the point earlier, and he's right. He's like, normally, you only have one side cheering when something like this comes to a close. But we have both sides cheering here. But the media, they're not cheering, Batya. You can watch. They're forced. They know it's such a huge accomplishment. they have to say like, good job, but they're not actually feeling it. I think Christiane kind of landed in the place she felt good about, you know, like they had it better off than the Gazans.

44:01And now you'll probably hear that repeated because others will be like, oh yeah, that's a good line. That's I'm going to go with that. And I do wonder like, why, why? Like, what did they, did they want the hostages to die? I can't, I can't go that far for them. Did they just want this to go on and on so that Israel got further and further demonized. You know, like you and I have talked about this, but it's my own support for Israel that made me say, we got to wrap it up. Like you're losing support. We can't have a relationship between the United States and Israel fracture. But I feel like they wanted the opposite.

44:36They wanted it to go on and on because they saw Israel losing international support and they loved it. Like go look at Mehdi Hassan's Twitter feed. He's not feeling too celebratory. And I do wonder what's going on there. What do you think? I couldn't agree with you more. The whole, you know, ceasefire now crowd is silent now that there's an actual ceasefire. Right. You know, A, because Donald Trump did it, because a lot of people were making big career moves off of this whole war and celebrating, you know, the fact that Israel was now losing tons and tons of support. Something, by the way, that was extremely important to President Trump to put a stop to, just like you, Megan.

45:17And he explicitly said that. He said, you can't stand alone, Israel. Bibi, you cannot do this alone. You have to wrap it up. And then was able to pull this off. I think what's happening here with the hostages versus the Palestinians is that in the woke mindset, you know, only certain kinds of victims count. So in the Judeo-Christian worldview, we divide things based on right versus wrong. You know, we have like an internal moral compass. A lot of it comes from the Bible, comes from God, comes from our values and our tradition that says this is wrong and you shouldn't do it. And this is right and you should do it.

45:51And the people who do the right things are good. And the people who do the wrong things are bad. It's like a normal way of thinking about things. But in the woke mindset, they've thrown all that out and they've replaced it with a different binary. There's only who has more power and who has less power. And whoever has less power, that's virtue, is being powerless. And people who have darker skin are powerless. And people who have lighter skin are powerful, and thus they are inherently evil. So it's not divided based on your actions, but just based on your gender or your race or what have you. So that's how you get into a situation where every Israeli, which are coded as white, the way that they code Jews as white, is powerful and thus evil and an oppressor and a colonizer.

46:36and every Palestinian who has darker skin is oppressed and weak and powerless and therefore inherently virtuous. And that includes Hamas, Megan, because they have no internal mechanism to say, well, maybe not all Palestinians. No, because it's based on race, right? It's not based on your actions. So there's nothing in the mindset that explains to them why they should be condemning Hamas and how an Israeli who is held captive could actually be the real victim here and the one deserving of their sympathies. And this is the mindset that every person with a college degree and every person certainly with a graduate degree, and that's most journalists, by the way, have graduate degrees, they all get inculcated into this woke mind virus.

47:24And so this explains all of the legacy media there. It's not because they're on the left, although they are. It's because they're overeducated in universities that teach them this utterly godless way of looking at the world. So where are we now, Batya, with this thing looking like it's been, I hate to choose the word, like settled, resolved. Those are all scary, optimistic words that you don't like to use about the Middle East. But a peace deal has been struck. And the biggest part of it, releasing the hostages, has been lived up to, the live hostages. We can fight about the remains of the dead.

48:01But getting those live hostages back was just, you can't overstate how huge it was. But now what? Given that Israel has suffered in terms of its popularity and its favor, you know, in the Western world, now what? Like, where do we go from here? So each of those leaders wants something from Trump. Turkey, they want F-16s. They want an easing up of sanctions. Saudi Arabia, I think, went into the Abraham Accords, just like Indonesia. You have Qatar, who wanted an apology from Bibi Netanyahu and want to have very good relations with Trump. And then you have Egypt, who were desperate not to have Palestinians in Sinai and also get a lot of foreign aid.

48:45Everybody now is thinking, what can I get out of Trump? And I think he's thinking, how can I give each of them what they're asking for so they give me what I want, which is this peace deal? Mm-hmm. We have no better steward in office than this guy. I completely trust Trump and have my faith in him on this and literally virtually every piece of his agenda. He's doing exactly what he promised he would do. And unlike everybody else, he's actually getting it done. Batya, what a pleasure. Thanks for being us here with us on a day like this of all days. Wow. It was wonderful to see you. Megan, God bless and protect you.

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53:05Cheryl Hines is an actress and comedian known for her role on Larry David's show as his wife in the hit HBO program Curb Your Enthusiasm. She's also the actual real life wife of our current Secretary of Health and Human Services, the man we affectionately call RFKJ here on our show. Cheryl's new memoir, Unscripted, is out next month, and it delves into her life growing up, the ups and downs of Hollywood, her marriage, and the campaign trail, along with much more. Welcome to the show, Cheryl. Thank you. It's wonderful to see you. I'm happy to be here. I was not sure you're going to be able to make it because we're having a nor 'easter up here.

53:47I know. That's what they keep saying. You're tough. You're tough. I was thinking about this all the way over here. You are, you're pretty amazing. You have really, you have risen above everybody. You know, you've been through, people like to come at you. People like to come at you. Yeah, they do. And here you are. And you're one of the, you know, there are a lot of podcasters, but you're one of the top, very top, and one of the few female super top. Well, thank you. And I see you. Thank you. I feel seen in her. They do come for me. I go for them too, though. It's fine. It's sort of a weird ecosystem.

54:33It's like when people go on Twitter and then they complain that people are mean. I'm like, ma 'am, this is a McDonald's. Go to Instagram if you want nice people. In news, it's a rough and tumble business. It is. So it's like, like I recently saw a friend of mine and she was like, oh, do you, you know, people are attacking you. Are you, I'm like, oh, please. If this is okay, if this is the worst thing that happens to me today. I'm good. Bad words coming at me. Well, that's the good, that's the advantage of having gone through it many times, right? Is it like when it happens then the 10th or 11th time, you're like, yeah, I'm fine.

55:04Yeah. Now, how, how has that been for you? Because you've had a lovely life and Hollywood is a big star. And then now, boom, you're in politics. Yeah. Through not exactly a choice of your own. You're correct. Yeah. It was a learning curve. Because like you're saying, I mean, when I started out as an actress, you know, you start out and when people start recognizing you, for no reason whatsoever, people still can be mean to you online. They can say whatever. Yes. Don't like the way you look. Don't like this. Don't like what you're wearing. Whatever. That's fine. But then when Bobby got into politics, it was a different world.

55:49And at first, you know, I was kind of taking it all on like, that's so hard. I can't believe they said that. And then now I'm like you. I realize, oh, it's part of the ecosystem. Like you said, this is what people do. It's weird. It's like when we saw Trump and Obama sitting next to each other at the Carter funeral, yucking it up and clad handing. It's like arch enemies. Right. When you see them publicly, when they have to do politics, like the nastiest you can get. But like behind the scenes. Everybody's a person. They understand it's kind of, I don't want to say game, which makes too light of it.

56:27But it's just sort of you put your armor on when you're doing politics and you do politics. And behind the scenes, hopefully you can still be a person. Right. And do what those two did. Right. Not everyone can though. And I know you've experienced some of that and all that, but like, has it been fun? Because when you married a Kennedy, you were not marrying an actively political Kennedy at the time, right? Bobby was a lawyer. I actually, when I met him, I asked him if he was ever, you know, had a desire to go into politics. And he said, no, he, you know, he said he felt like he could get, he could achieve more as an environmental attorney.

57:02Yeah. That's not. So he could go after big corporations, big companies without worrying about a political party. So I felt good about that. Yeah. And then. No Hollywood actress is like, how can I get more politically involved in a way that will cause all sorts of consternation in my life? Right. I know. Of course. And your career has been going so well. I mean, I'm a huge fan of yours, by the way. Long before you married Bobby. Thank you. I've long been a Curb fan. I love the show. I know Larry David is not in love with my side of the aisle, but I don't care. Right. It's funny. It's so clever.

57:42Right. And I always knew that it was, and you get into it a lot in Unscripted. That's, I assume why it's called Unscripted. But I didn't realize how loose it is, like how much free reign you're giving. There's no script. That's terrifying. Well, it would be if you did not have a background in improv. It would be terrifying. But I started at the Groundlings Theater in LA. Even though I had studied theater and acting with scripts, that's what they tell you when you're learning. They're like, all your answers are in your script. Yeah, that would be comforting. Yes, that is comforting. And then when I started learning how to improvise at the Groundlings, they said, clear your mind and don't think of anything until you hear what that person next to you says.

58:32And it's a hard adjustment. Do you have to be genuinely clever in your own right to be good at improv? Well, I think if you want to be entertaining and improv, you probably do. Can a boring person be good at improv? Yes, and. That is what you have to say in improv. Does an audience want to watch a boring person improvise? That's the difference. I guess it depends on what the scene is and what the person is supposed to be. I mean, there aren't a lot of people that are dying to watch boring improvs. So, I think you have to be able to trust yourself, which is hard to get there, to say, listen, whatever you're about to say is the right thing.

59:28And even if the audience doesn't laugh, don't sweat it. If the audience boos, don't sweat it. It was the right thing. And you're going to have the next thing that you have to say. So you have to not judge yourself, which is hard. And you also have to not worry about the reaction. You just have to really listen to what you're seeing partners saying and say yes. And if you're good at it, like live improv, I find it terrifying. But the people that are good at it are very entertaining. Well, when you're across from Larry David, who really is genuinely funny. Just him, just his personality. Just looking at him.

1:00:12Yeah. Does it make it easier? Because you don't have to be the one that leads every scene. Yeah. Just him being himself is going to make people laugh. It does. You know, and especially improvising on screen, to me, is so much easier because you're not, you don't have people like looking at you, watching you. Yes. That's how I feel about the news business. I can do it much better sitting here in a studio than like, if I have to go and speak to the people and look at them directly. Right, right. I think that's why podcasts are so successful too, because it's just you and me talking in a little room.

1:00:50But it would be different if there were, you know, 500 people out there watching, sitting, you know, 10 feet away from us. So with Larry, yeah, I was pretty much the straight man on the show. And he would write a story outline. so the story outline would be hilarious um but i didn't have to worry about what i was gonna say um and he specifically did not want you to think about what you were gonna say he didn't want anybody to try to be funny because the situations were already funny that's right i get it yeah because it's just the setup is funny yeah all right so let's go back before curb and the young Cheryl Hines.

1:01:32You're from Florida, grew up with not a lot of money. It's true. Grandparents lived in a trailer nearby. Yeah. Your parents didn't have a lot of dough either. True. Um, one of three kids for four. Okay. I'm sorry. Cause you lost your brother. Yeah. Thank you. Um, and did you always know you want to be an actress? I did. I did always know that probably since I was,

1:01:58like eight, you know, because we would watch the Carol Burnett show. And I thought, oh my, that's what I want to do. So the comedic thing resonated with you from an early age. And then when I was in middle school and high school, I was just the theater nerd. You were? Yeah. And chorus nerd. Were you cool or was it truly nerdy in your school?

1:02:24I guess high school was a little, well, we thought we were cool. Are you a nerd if you don't know you're a nerd? It's like, we thought we were doing pretty good. I don't know. Okay. So it was a goal, but like, it's a goal for so many people and it usually doesn't happen because it's such a competitive industry. Right. So you actually did the cross country trip. Like I'm going to LA. My Toyota Tercel. How old were you? I was 25. Okay. And that's young enough that you can fail and still go on to do something else. Right, right, right. That's true because it's interesting, you know, when I was writing the book, you see your life in all these little jigsaw puzzle pieces and you put it together.

1:03:11And I think it was great that I didn't have much growing up because I had a, my family was really solid and I always, we always had fun together. so and I never felt like oh if we only had money my life would be so much better it was a good lesson for me because I when I moved to LA I just I had nothing to lose you know you're the one person who moved to LA with like a solid family background and like good moral upbringing and not looking to fill some dark void that had been created by a terrible childhood right it's very rare it is rare it is rare it's interesting because I know a lot of people that move to LA or go into acting because they want to escape.

1:03:59They want to be somebody else. But I never had that feeling. As a matter of fact, it was really hard for me to move away from my family. Yeah, it was really hard. Well, were you funny growing up? Because that's another piece of who you are.

1:04:15uh it depends on if you're talking about was I in on the joke or not um but when I was really little um like you know six seven eight nine I I would not say I was funny but would I say that other kids laughed yes uh because i was i was a i hate to look in your eyes and say this but i was a tattletale um i'm not i'm ashamed of it but it's because they excluded me so the only attention i could get was from the adults and i you know we call it whistleblower or informant i was a young whistleblower um so that's how i got attention i got attention from the grown-ups and I would bring them, you know, snacks.

1:05:07That works. They watch TV. And then, of course, my siblings hated it. They were like, what are you doing? They're the other team. Yeah. So I wouldn't say I was hilarious then, but when, by the time I got to high school, I could see what was funny, you know, even like growing up without money. um you know my sister and i would go to goodwill to buy our prom dresses we actually we made our own um boutonnieres for our dates and which is kind of funny because it's not as easy as you think it might be i would not think it is easy well we we thought it was but we got the green tape and got some carnations and a pin and when we got to the dance the guy's carnations fell off and it was just wads of green tape.

1:05:58And my sister and I thought was so funny. My friend Paul was so mad. He said, oh, did you guys make these? Which only made us laugh more. So by that time, you know, I knew what was funny to me anyway. Was when you went to LA, did you go right into this, the Groundlings workshop? And I understand Lisa Kudrow was teaching it. You were in there with Melissa McCarthy. Somebody else big, who was the other one? Well, Kristen Wiig was also there around the same time. Maya Rudolph. Yeah, Maya. Yeah. My gosh, what a class. Yeah. Well, when I got to LA, I was bartending at a hotel in downtown LA. And I, you know, I wasn't ready for rejection.

1:06:46Because at that time, you could send out your headshots and resumes to all these different agents. There were a lot of agents. And I didn't do it for the first year because I thought, what if none of them want me? And I wasn't ready. So I was bartending. And yeah, I met Phil Hartman's sister at the bar. She was telling me about the Groundlings Theater. And I went and saw a show, and I was just blown away. It was the funniest show. It's like a live SNL. You're watching it in person. And then I started taking classes there. Yeah. And Lisa Kudrow was my first teacher. Was she amazing? Amazing. Yeah.

1:07:34So smart and funny. And this is right before she got friends. Oh, wow. Yeah. So I would go to class and just watch her. Like, oh my gosh, she's got all the answers. And then at that time, as an actress, I always thought, when you go into an audition, you should be really, like, professional. And this is the script, and I'm going to read the script. And then when I saw her get friends, and I saw her character that she created, I was thinking, oh, she had to go into that audition. Quirky. Yes, quirky. Yeah. And it was a game changer for me because I thought, oh, I think I've been worried too much about, you know, saying the right thing, doing the right thing.

1:08:31Because really all they want to see when you walk into a room is who you are, what's funny about you, what do you think is funny. Right. Not every role is like Queen Victoria. Some require a different approach. Yeah, yeah. You're a waitress at the diner. Relax. So it was it was interesting. I learned so much there, you know. So you get this audition. You were you're at the Groundlings. You get this audition for what was then an hour long special of Curb. It was not it wasn't a series. No, it was just like come for an hour long special. Yes. Larry David's wife. Did you know that was the role? Yes.

1:09:08Yeah. Because you had to. Did you audition with him? I did. I auditioned with him. And you say in the book, the one thing you didn't know in that audition is, again, the book is called Unscripted. We were talking to Cheryl Hines, its author. By now, the book comes out next month. You did not know that he has a strict rule against touching him. No. And I'm glad I didn't because now I know. That's so Larry. It is so Larry. but you know in the improv world you are taught to make choices so quickly and to assume a relationship and um you know have a lot of physicality in a scene so if i just met you and somebody said oh these two are making cappuccino you know i might put my hand around your shoulder or something or help your hand with the, you know, frother.

1:10:02But then when I was walking into the audition, the casting director said, don't touch Larry. I was like, thank you for telling me. Good to know. Thank you. But he shook my hand when I walked in. So I thought, okay, he's not like a troll in the corner that doesn't want anybody touching him. Although he doesn't want anybody touching him. But you said he was making like a serious pitch at one point to try to change the universal greeting from a handshake. Elbow touching. Cheryl. Yeah. How's it going? I don't think it caught on. No. It's so awkward. People did it on the set for a little while and then it just, yeah.

1:10:41I mean, you'd have a better case for just the, hey. I know. Right? Like the hand up. How's it going? I guess this is actually touching someone in his world. I mean, in church, it's transformed post-COVID. Have you noticed that? No. We don't really shake hands anymore during the peace. We used to shake hands during the peace. Now it's just like, hey, or the little kids will give you the actual peace sign. That's adorable. I feel like Larry would enjoy the Catholic Church in that way. Yes, definitely. Yeah, he loved social distancing. He was like, well, finally, everybody's on board. Getting on my program.

1:11:14Yeah, yeah. So you go in there, and my husband, he read your book too. You're actually going on his show. I know, I'm excited. But he was the one who first read aloud to me the following scene, which is very funny about when you got the call from Larry about making the getting the role. OK, here it is. He calls. Hey, HBO wants to turn the series into a special or the special into a series. And I would like for you to play my wife. You. Oh, my God. That's the best news I've ever had. Him. I hope that's not true. Please tell me that's not true. It's true. Don't say that. There have to be other things that have happened that are better than this.

1:11:59Yeah, that's so hilarious. That is amazing. He can't let you enjoy one thing. He's like, yeah, this is the best news. He's like, don't say that. No. I can't possibly be your highlight. Great. He's like, you are. Okay. All right. Well, we'll talk later. Is he like that in person? Is there ever any actual enthusiasm for anything? I mean, the name of the show is Curb It. I'm trying to think of any time I've seen him excited. You know, it's that thing with even a lot of comedians, comedic actors. They'll watch another comedian or somebody funny. And instead of laughing, they'll say, yeah, that's funny.

1:12:41Yeah, right. They just don't. Not all the time. But yeah, I don't see him really get excited about things. There was some line by Hemingway to the effect of like, I don't want to read anybody else's book because if I don't enjoy it, that's bad for me. And if I do enjoy it, I'll be so envious that that's bad for me too. I've completely screwed it up. That's basically the notion of it. Like Larry seems to be like that kind of guy. Like I'm not really rooting for you. Right. I'm not really rooting for myself either. Right. Right. There's really no good outcome to any day. It's true. And to me, he's almost like a Woody Allen character.

1:13:21Yeah. I don't know if you saw Woody Allen. He's out with a book and there was a big profile. I'm in the New York Times a couple of weeks ago. And he had a quote in there saying something like, you know, I've had a great life. I come from a great family. My kids are great. And I'm really appreciative. I'm 89. I feel in good health. I'm totally miserable. The whole thing has been a disaster. Yeah. That does sound like Larry. Larry did a Woody Allen movie. Oh, yeah. I think I saw it. Now I can't remember the name of it, but. I mean, it seems like if you're like a comedic actor and you came up over the past, you know, 50 years, you probably had some stint in a Woody Allen film.

1:13:57Yeah, a Woody Allen movie. Good, for good or for worse. So you get this job, and I did not realize, Cheryl, was the series on the air for 24 years? Well, we had, I think, 12 seasons. But, you know, most shows, Curb was not like most shows. Most shows would do a season a year, right? Yeah. But for Curb, even after the first season, after we wrapped the first season, Larry said, that's it. We're done. And so, you know, I would drive home thinking, okay, I've got to look for my next job. And then I get a call, oh, we're going to do another one. And so there was no rhyme or reason to the timing of it.

1:14:45But yes, over 24 years, we did 12 seasons. I think there was a time when there was like maybe a five-year gap. I remember that. I remember the gap. Like what happened? Right. Where is it? There's no finale. Just like, okay. It's classic. Yeah. We have a lot of clips, but I want to start with one that doesn't involve Larry. It's from season 11. I'm sure you've been subjected to watching this. This is with the character Maria Sophia. Oh my gosh. It was the funniest thing. And I love Curb. I haven't watched every single episode, but I've seen most of them. But it was really one of the funniest things I'd ever seen.

1:15:22I mean, on television. She's so funny. She's hysterical and you're hysterical. And just for the listening audience, the premise of the scene that we're going to show is, Larry, some guy drowned in Larry's pool, and he's worried about a lawsuit. And long story short, a relative of that guy, or there's a guy who runs a restaurant who Larry's trying to appease into not suing him. And he agrees to give that guy's daughter in the restaurant a role in his upcoming series. Oh, that was good. Yeah. You nailed it. Okay. And so that man's daughter is named Maria Sophia and she cannot act, but she's hysterical.

1:16:04She's so off. She has all the wrong emotions for every single line that they try to give her. And Larry has to pretend she's great because he's got to convince his fellow cast to cast her. So there's a scene in which you, as I think you were the ex-wife at that point, he asks you if you will like give her an audition tape, like help her with her audition. Yeah. And her audition tape. Yeah. So she comes over to your house and she acts up this scene and you don't know what you've been handed. Yeah. Okay, here it is in part. I wanted to talk to you about that David boy. Larry. Yeah, that's his name, Larry David.

1:16:45Well, what about him? I feel like you're being seductive right now. You're talking to your mother. You're talking to him. Are we not close? In real life, do you ever talk to your mother like that? No, I don't seduce my mom. What is wrong with you? God. I don't really care for him. I think he's mentally disturbed. He is not mentally disturbed. I saw that choice that you made, and maybe it's time to make a new choice. Like, what kind of dance? No, not a... You want a little bit of salsa? Let's keep going. Let's just keep... He's got mailman written all over him. You want bald children with no brains?

1:17:21Go right ahead. I don't have to listen to you. If I want to see Larry, I am gonna see Larry. You are a horrible mother. I never want to see you again. Yeah. And I know you stole my jacket. What are you talking about? Oh, that guy, don't touch me. You wanna touch me? What are you saying? The jacket? I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, you know, Brad! Jacket, it's not a jacket! What are you doing? Dad, Dad! Dad! Get off me, Uncle Molly! Oh, my God! What is wrong with you? Don't tell me what I need to get away from you! Oh, my God! I want my jacket back! She's beating the hell out of you.

1:18:11Ted Danson's there, too. Ted Danson comes in and gets tackled. That scene was so funny because she was so good. And when she makes the turn and she's like, give me my jacket. It's like, what are you? So how much was that planned? Like she's going to beat the hell out of you. That must have been scripted. That was planned. She was going to beat the hell out of me. But yeah, all of the dialogue is improvised. Oh, my God. I love your, I see the choice you made there about a different choice. Something else. I feel like you're being seductive about your mother. It's just like, what are you doing? And then she just would get so angry.

1:18:51How do you not laugh? Like, seriously, how do you not break down in hysterics as she's doing the weird dancing and the seductive to her mother thing? No, that was hard. I have to bite the inside of my cheek. Do you? Yeah. How? Well, it works. See, that's a bad habit because it can swell up with scar tissue and then it interferes with your speaking. I know about this because. It sounds like you do. because I never had my wisdom teeth removed and my mouth is too small for all those wisdom teeth. I know no one would believe it, small mouth. And I was going through a thing where I kept biting on my cheek.

1:19:27It was killing me. So I had one wisdom tooth pulled. Can I ask you this? You don't have to answer. Well, why didn't you have them removed? I came from a not well-off family that didn't think about things. The same reason I didn't take any review course for the SAT. Same. Right? By the way, the SAT, I took that thing the night after our homecoming dance.

1:19:51I didn't do great. Let's be honest. It was a surprise. I didn't even know we were having that. I was like, oh, it's the SAT today. Shit. Does anyone have a number two pencil? That's exactly how it was. And I was like, okay. And I never took it again. Did you ever take it again? I never took it. No one even thought to tell me to take it again. My parents were like, oh, okay, that's fine. It was terrible. That is so interesting. I did terribly. and miraculously I still got into Syracuse University because I had a decent GPA and I think they actually were they just had mercy on me because my dad like they did my I don't think that's how it works in admissions no they did I but I have a story because my dad had taught there my first 10 years of life we lived in Syracuse and then my dad had passed and so my story you know was like and I think they actually did just have mercy on because I did not really Syracuse It's much harder to get into now, but back then it wasn't that hard.

1:20:43Yeah. But I still shouldn't have been admitted with that SAT score. I was just like, no, I was focused on other things. You know what I mean? Yeah. It is a different world. And it's a different world when you come from, I was going to say wealth or money or resources. Yes. We would never let our kids go into the SAT without having taken some practice tests. Right. Like, that's not even a thing in the world I'm in now. No, I know. It's so weird, but maybe because we grew up. Because you know how I, I mean, it's amazing that my, all my siblings went to college. It's amazing because our parents were not, you know, they didn't say you guys have got to go to college.

1:21:29Oh, it's like a thrill that you seem to be kind of happy and not upset about too much. Yeah. You know, do your thing. Yeah, do your thing. You went to cosmetology school. I did. Before I went to college. Yeah, you eventually went to college. But like, did anybody care about that? Because, you know, in this community, if a kid said I'm going to cosmetology school, the parents would be like, what do you mean? You're going to an Ivy League. No, my mom was thrilled. And as a matter of fact, like halfway through, you know, I was 17 when I started cosmetology school. And I was having to do perms and jerry curls.

1:22:05And this woman came in and I thought something looked off. And I asked my teacher to come look at her hair. And she said, she has lice. And you need to go tell her. And I was like, I don't want to tell her. I don't want anything to do with this. And I've been like shampooing. There's so many things. I can feel them right now. I know. I know. Oh, and at one point I thought, I don't think I want to finish this. And my mom gave me a long talk and she said, do not quit. Like finish what you start. You started this and you should finish it. I was like, we're talking about beauty school, right? But it was a good, it was a good lesson.

1:22:51And I did. So true. And I did. And those are skills you can always use. It's true. You know, I always wish I had taken something like that because it would have saved me a fortune. I know. I know. Do you do your own hair and makeup or no? Not today. So it's not, so you just, it's not saving you a fortune. Yeah, it wasn't, but I think it was helpful when I was going out on auditions and stuff. I think that was helpful. Yeah. Yeah. And then you go back to college. Okay. So now you get the role on curb and then you shot to stardom quickly. That's a big role for your first big break. What was interesting because the show was, um, I don't want to say small, but compared to the other shows that were on HBO at the time.

1:23:31I mean, when we premiered, we premiered after Sex and the City before The Sopranos. Wow. So you had those shows that were so big. And remember the Sunday nights watching it? Yes, it was appointment television. So we were kind of the little show in between. It was supposed to look like a documentary. So So it was sort of, you know, it was not shiny and pretty like the others. And so at the beginning, it was really the industry liked it, liked the show. Because they loved Larry. Larry co-created Seinfeld. And he's so funny. And everybody wanted to see what he was going to do. and um but the rest of the country you know a lot of people didn't know what to make of it what is it it took a while to get familiar with it and its cadence and realize like it's a show about nothing like science you know it really is yeah and there aren't punch lines because there's no script no but you never turn out without having had genuine laughs yeah even when you're even when you sit down and you're, and you think I'm not in the mood to laugh out loud.

1:24:49I'm just going to watch this. And then Larry does, you know, I don't know, Shaquille O 'Neal during the Lakers game. And now all of LA is mad at him. Or he's stealing sneakers from the Holocaust museum. Nothing is untouchable. No, no. And then you keep, you can't, and you turn it off going, I can't believe he just did that. Right. How is he still getting away with it? I know he can get away with it. So now what, so then 2014, you and Bobby got together. What was the year you, you guys got together? I don't know. Somewhere in there. Yeah. Let's say somewhere in there. And at that point he was a Democrat from a famous family who was an environmental lawyer.

1:25:28So I imagine there was no like, why him? Like there would have been, had you married him like today? Right. Right. Okay. So it's like, great, cool. A Kennedy. Right. But then he, you know, now I I feel like knowing him the way I know him, which is just a little from, you know, this era of his life seems inevitable. He was going to get into politics in some way. Like he's just too dedicated to like helping people and these causes that mean so much to him. Right. So but it was a surprise to you. He went first. People may forget he ran for president for a year and a half before he actually, you know, endorsed Trump.

1:26:02And then I haven't forgotten went the HHS route. So you not only does he said he's getting into politics, he's getting into presidential politics. And by the way, I guess we kind of skipped the part where he was banned. He was at the top of the disinformation dozen by the Biden White House. Ours was one of the very first shows that platformed him. And he's been very sweet and thanked us publicly many times for helping pave the way back. He's very grateful to you. Oh my God. It was our pleasure. But you would not believe how hard it was because none of the platforms wanted him. So we had to do this crazy interview with him.

1:26:37It was three hours long, four hours. We did two hours and two hours. We're like, we had to fact check him on all these things just to make it live. Right. You know, quote, fact check. Right. In other words, just challenge him. Right. And he did. It lived on every single platform. And after that, he was like not untouchable anymore. Yeah. It was like we had done it and it was like, it's fine. You can interview him and it can live and you won't get censored everywhere. Right. And then the more people listen to him, I think the more they were like, oh my God, he makes so much sense. Yes. This is what they've been telling us is so terrifying.

1:27:07I know. So what was that like for you to see him sort of normal environmental lawyer, then disinformation doesn't, banned, and then kind of back and running for president? Well, that's why I wrote a book. Because it was crazy. It was crazy. There were times that were really challenging. You know, it also times that were fun. More challenging than fun. But it was definitely a shift. And it's strange the way it all happened, right? Because when everybody shut down for COVID, there was a shift in the world, right? Yeah. And probably a shift in everybody's family because everybody locked down. And now you're with your family under the same roof 24-7.

1:28:00So that was a shift in itself. And then, you know, Bobby was questioning the vaccine safety. And that was so, people were so passionate about it on both ways. Volatile, you were not allowed. It was like, but the odd thing was, I mean, odd in a weird way, is like a lot of crunchy people in California had questions. You know, his constituency was sort of weird. Yeah. Couldn't always predict it by party label. No. Or even voting history. A lot of these people probably never voted, but they had questions too. Right, which I actually, I love that about Bobby. And I loved, when he was running, I really loved his supporters and the makeup of the supporters.

1:28:48Because there were Republicans, Independents, and Democrats who were coming together. And they were, you know, they were all there because they wanted something better for each other, for themselves. And they supported Bobby. And it was so great. I just loved his, you know, supporters. But it was so interesting. because yes, in LA, there is a lot of, the people are, I would say, very careful about what they eat, what they exercise. Very health conscious. Yeah. So you have these people, mothers, who have always been thoughtful about what they give their kids as far as medicine goes. So then when Bobby steps forward and says, I hear you, and you're right, you should be questioning, you should be thinking about it, then to see some people turn against him was so strange.

1:29:55It's like on that issue, I mean, I've said this before, when I was at Fox, if you said anything about the vaccine schedule for kids, you get a call immediately to stop talking about that. Yeah. And you know, Pfizer was one of our big advertisers. I was young and didn't really put it together. Right. But it is crazy. Like there are certain things you're not allowed to talk about. Right. And he was like a third rail. Let me love it. Let me hold it. And you're over there like, everybody, you're like making people go crazy. He's like, I don't care. No.

1:30:35And you can Opportunity arose, shall we say. Yes, an opportunity. I like the way that you say that. So it was interesting because, you know, the thing about LA too, that I think a lot of people think about it, because it is very liberal. And at the same time, there are plenty of people who aren't. There are plenty of Republicans. The ones who don't say anything. Yeah. Those are the Republicans. Yeah. Yeah. So it was it was tough because I did and I talked about it in the book unscripted. There we go. By Cheryl Hines. Cheryl Hines coming out November 11th. I talk about it because. I would have been happy to never talk about vaccines.

1:31:24And I don't mean that in a bad way because they are it's very important. And it's, of course, very important to everyone's health, and we need to look at it. But it's not what I do. No. It's not my background. It's not. And at that time, I had people from both sides coming at me saying, let me tell you about this thing that happened to me. Or tell your husband to stop saying that. Oh, gosh. And it was overwhelming at times. You know? He felt so bad. I know. When we talked to him in whatever it was, he felt so bad. He was like, poor Cheryl. I know. The nicest person. I know. And he offered to do a fake separation just so you didn't get the blowback.

1:32:14Which was sweet, but I was thinking, I don't know how that would work. Yeah, no. Those things can tend to lead to the real deal. Well, right. It's like, oh, are they separated? Then that's the story. Are they separated? No, they're still together. No, but it's crazy how people expected you actually to leave him. Yeah. Like, of course, my team pulled together all sorts of tweets. But the one I'll read, and I don't want to give the haters a lot of airtime, but the one, let me see if I can find it. It was from Bradley Whitford, who I really wanted to punch in the face after reading this. My God, what a douchebag.

1:32:50And I talk about it. I talk about that in my book. He really thinks he's like, he thinks he's the West Wing character. Hello. I know. He tweets out, hey, Cheryl Hines, way to stay silent while your lunatic husband throws his support behind the adjudicated rapist who brags about stripping women of their fundamental rights. Gutsy. Great example for the kids. Profile and courage. Do you ever think about responding? Do you ever want to be like, yo, Bradley, go fuck yourself? Yes. I've had those thoughts. Well, it's interesting because, you know, I know Bradley. Just casually. You know, I'm sure I've worked with them somewhere somehow.

1:33:31But so I talk about it in the book because I tried to stay off social media. I tried to stay off it as much as possible. And then I wake up and I see these texts like, wow, that guy's an asshole. Yeah. And I was thinking, oh, let's see. Of all the guys I know that could be an asshole, making bets with myself, who could this be? Well, I'm sorry, but you must have thought Rob Reiner first because I know you worked with him. he's got crazy tds yeah but but rob uh i like rob and i don't think he would ever he would never come after me yeah there's a difference he might go after bobby um and that's fine and that's fine that what's so weird about this out there yeah what's so weird about this is coming for you, the spouse.

1:34:16I know. I was sort of confused because I didn't understand what he was hoping for. Yeah. Like you're supposed to walk out in a huff. Yeah. He's right. Yeah. It's over. It's over, Bobby. It was very odd. And that day I kept, you know, I'm texting my best friend, Rachel, and my friend, Ann, and I'm like, do I say anything? Do I need to make a statement? I love my husband and I'm not going to have a divorce over his politics. Sorry. So he could feel better or worse or I don't know. So that I can maintain Bradley's love. You're more important to me, Bradley. Right. Thank you for this tweet. Now that you mentioned it, I'm going to do some work.

1:35:13So it was interesting because I didn't do anything. I didn't. I just, you know, took a breath and was, at the end of the day, it's a, in my opinion, sort of a silly tweet. Also, what does he say something about the kids? Like, wait, a good example for the kids. Yeah, yeah. I was like, what? Kids? Right. I didn't even understand that part either. Bobby's stepkids? Yeah. Your stepkids have hit? Right. And it's like, well, actually for my kids, yeah, I think it's good to stand by your husband, your wife, your spouse when they're doing something that's important. So that was also. It's very strange.

1:35:59You do find out, as Eric Trump was just telling us on the show on Friday, who your friends are when you get into politics. you know, that Donald Trump senior sat them all down when he announced him 15 and said, now we're going to find out who our friends are. And it's so true. Like, because there'd be highs and lows. And I've said this many times on the show, but no one gets as bad as Bobby, like from the press. They hate Elon. The press hates Elon. They hate Pete Hegseth, but they really hate Bobby in a particular way because he was a Democrat and you're not allowed to turn on them. But by the way, when he was a Democrat, they did not embrace him.

1:36:32No, because he was asking the wrong questions. he was embracing the wrong third rails. But I was telling the audience in my house, I get the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times and the New York Post every day. And when he's in the news for whatever, all three are bad. It's very rare. The very, very rare figure who has universally bad press. Right. But he's the most popular cabinet member. Did you know that? I did. Yeah. He's the most popular with the people. Yep. And the least popular with the press. Right. Which I think says he's doing something right. Right. Now, I know you write about how you've become friends with some of the other spouses to the cabinet members.

1:37:09Is there a favorite? Do you have a bestie? Well, I really like Jeanette Rubio. I like Marco. I probably shouldn't call him Marco. That's the other thing I'm always asking Bobby, you know, because I see everybody at dinner and we're just hanging out. that I'll say, am I supposed to call Tulsi? I even forget what her. Madam Director. Yes, Director. He's like, I don't think so. Sounds kind of communist when you say it like that, doesn't it? Yeah. That's too much. But I can't even remember what I'm supposed to call everybody, but I like them all. It's interesting because I thought, I don't know what I thought.

1:37:49I didn't really think about it too much, But I guess I thought it would be a lot of boring politicos. Probably in a different administration, it would be. I think you're right. This president's got a colorful personality and it attracts. Yes, you're right. Colorful personalities. And they like each other, this cabinet. Wow. It's interesting. I mean, once again, I've never paid attention. I couldn't tell you, I don't know anything about anybody else's cabinet in the history of politics. But from everything I know and see and I'm experiencing, it sounds like this is a different way of leading. Yeah.

1:38:38That they really are supportive of each other. Yeah, you can see that it's a team effort. Yeah. Speaking with Cheryl Hines about her book, Unscripted, comes out next month. Get your advanced copy now. Do you, politics usually, in my experience, can be very beneficial to the world. It can give one a sense of fulfillment because you're doing good. It can also be very, very hard. It can be somewhat soul crushing. I know a lot of people have gone through the process and like emerged battle weary because it can be soul crushing. It's just nonstop controversy and so on. So how are you guys feeling about that aspect of it?

1:39:17Just the nonstop onslaught?

1:39:21Actually, we, I don't want to say we feel good about it. Who can feel good about it? But it's, you know, it makes us stronger, me and Bobby. makes us really strong because we have fun together. Even when we go to these, you know, parties or dinners, as long as we're together, we'll have fun. And then to see what he is accomplishing and what the administration is accomplishing, it feels like it's okay. People can say what they're going to say. We're doing something higher. Yeah, and you see, you know, Bobby's getting... petroleum dyes out of our food source, you know, out of our food. He's getting arsenic and lead out of our baby formula.

1:40:16And so it's okay. We'll take the heat. We'll take the digs. We'll take the headlines, whatever. But he's actually getting really good work done. And same with drug prices, favorite nation drug prices that everybody, everything I'm talking about is beneficial for every American. So it's not just one party. how anybody could object to. Right. Have you been eating like this since you met him? Like, have you been doing the beef tallow and all that? I'm a vegetarian. Oh, yeah. Um, so beef tallow, no. I just figured like, what is life living, like, like living with Bobby Kennedy? Is he up at dawn for a 10 mile run and then all like the natural organic everything?

1:41:02Yes. He's up at dawn. He gets up at the same time every day. The alarm goes off and I'm like, he gets up early. He works out every day. You can see that in the videos. He goes to a meeting. He's in the program and that's very important to him. And that's how he starts to stay. And he eats clean. Yeah. He does not have the McDonald's on board Air Force One with the Prez. No, I don't walk in and see him eating like a bag of Doritos watching football. That never happens. Not surprised. Yeah. Listen, I'm so, so you're a Washington wife right now, right? I mean, like currently. Yeah, I guess I am. Having dinner at the White House?

1:41:46Yes. So this is a whole new phase. And is it enjoyable? It really is. Are you enjoying this phase? I am. You know, I think I have a lot of friends who at our age, my age, you know, their kids have gone. They've moved out and their life is sort of quiet and they're bored. And my life is the opposite. You are not bored. It would be impossible. Yeah. I got to wrap it because we're going to hit their hard break. But the book is unscripted. It's by Cheryl Hines. Highly recommend. It's an easy, fun, fascinating read. Make a good present. just in time for Christmas and Thanksgiving and all the holidays.

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