Tucker Carlson Says He’s Leaving GOP, Far-Left Mamdani-Backed Candidates Win NYC Primaries, How World Cup Renewed American Patriotism, w/ Halperin & Palihapitya | Ep. 1346

26:33I mean, literally he's never accomplished anything other than going to school at prestigious universities, which being a Kennedy will, you know, happen every time. And to their credit, look at this moron. The New York people said, no, we're not falling for this again. This is not the mood we're in at all. What do you make of it? Jack, we hardly knew you. You know, he got he got screened. He didn't come close. And remember, he got the endorsement of Nancy Pelosi. He got a ton of favorable press coverage. He was from the start an unserious person. It's my congressional district. It's filled with very serious people.

27:06And the guy who won is a perfectly serious establishment candidate. But I was dubious about his prospects from the start. And I don't know exactly why he failed, but I'm certain that part of why he failed was because he was a clown and had no business thinking he should be a member of Congress. And this generation of Kennedys maybe is not as distinguished as some of the previous ones. Here is the New York Times headline. Schlossberg's defeat dampens dream of a renewed Camelot. Okay, no, wrong. And let me give you some highlights just for fun. Why not? It's a Wednesday. Let's have some fun. For a first time candidate, Mr.

27:47Schlossberg seemingly had it all. A scion of the Kennedy family, once America's most famous political brand, young and handsome, much like his grandfather, the progenitor of Camelot. He was well connected, earning endorsements from Democratic royalty, like former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and old money rich, able to pour his own fortune into a campaign he said was in part about the evils of money in politics. And in an age in which Democrats have often played catch up with Republicans online, Mr. Schlossberg had a vibrant and social media presence presenting an oddball and decidedly opinionated persona that drew attention whenever he posted.

28:30He literally was talking about, forgive me, jizz cocktails. All right. There was nothing vibrance and just oddball, just a little oddball. Yeah. Oddball's a good euphemism. Two more. When early polls showed him in front of a crowded field of candidates in New York City's 12th congressional district, it seemed the race was his to lose. As it turned out, he lost it. Schlossberg's defeat also comes as the Kennedy family has also grappled with the defection of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Mr. Schlossberg's cousin, to a Republican administration where he serves as the health secretary under President Trump.

29:05Even People Magazine's headline wasn't as ridiculous as this New York Times one. The People Magazine headline was Jack Schlossberg loses his first election in heated Manhattan congressional primary. New York, the defeat dampens dream of a renewed Camelot. This guy was never going to be delivering a renewed Camelot, Mark Halperin. No, he's a cuckoo Kennedy. He's not like, there's literally nothing about, to the extent anybody sees anything appealing about him, and I did not, there's nothing Kennedy-esque about his appeal. He's just kind of like, was kind of like a quirky, kooky outsider and young.

29:40But he's not a good candidate and he was not Kennedy-esque. He just happened to be named, you know, be a member of the Kennedy family. But man, what a what a misguided thing. You know, there's all these Democratic consultants now, like the people who got Plattner in the race who and Mondami's consultants who are just they're just enablers of candidates who don't necessarily think through whether the person can actually win. In the case of this guy, I mean, they they should they should refund his money. Hmm. Well, the man who showed up at President Trump's State of the Union this past year with a sign that read black people aren't apes, as if President Trump needed to be told that Al Green has lost his seat in the U.S.

30:26Congress. He's out. Finally, Mark, he was sort of a shit stir at a lot of these State of the Union addresses for Republicans. That is he's out. Nancy Mace. She's out too. She lost. Jasmine Crockett's going. Are all the shit stirrers going? Matt Gaetz is already gone. He's already gone. MTG's gone. It's a good point. We're losing a lot of them. Boebert's still there.

30:55Jamie Raskin, do you count him in the same category? He's a bit of a shit stirrer. I don't know. I mean, we've lost a lot of them. We've lost a lot of them. True. We have. Yeah. We've lost, gone but not forgotten. Wait, who's the other one that was going to talk about? Who would you just say, Deb? Oh, George Conway. George Conway didn't make it either. He did even worse than that. He was running for that same schloss person. He did worse than even the quirky Kennedy. Yeah. And he was running for the same seat. Now, last but not least, I saw you tweet out this morning, post on X, you know, just when I thought I couldn't be shocked in politics.

31:34President Trump manages to shock me because today he was all set to have this big signing ceremony for a new signature piece of legislation on affordability, attacking the housing market inequities, trying to, among other things, ban big firms like BlackRock from swooping in and buying up big blocks of houses, making it tougher for some people to buy affordable housing. And this was going to address some affordability concerns and more importantly, in politics, going to make it look like he was addressing affordability concerns for average Americans. They're going to have the big signing ceremony.

32:15And President Trump just canceled it and said he won't be signing it. So he's got he it's it's passed, but he's not going to sign it because he says he's insisting that they push through the Save Act, which is going to require universal voter ID and tighten screening procedures before you can vote in an election. And I get it. Almost all of his party wants the Save Act passed, but it has zero chance of passing Mark Halpern. It's not going to get it won't get a vote. If it did get a vote, it wouldn't pass. They don't have the votes to pass it, even if they could get it passed a filibuster. So it has so he's tanking legislation that actually could be good for people and for him and Republicans politically.

33:04in the name of a different piece of legislation that's very popular on the right, but has zero chance of going anywhere. What do you make of it? Well, they could get it passed if they could get it past the filibuster. They just can't get it past the filibuster and they can't get Republicans. I don't think so. They don't have the votes. They have 50 votes to pass. No, they don't. No, they do not. They don't. No, Collins is against it. Murkowski is against it. Tillis is against it. And so is McConnell. That's four. They could pass a version of it, not the version they voted on previously. They could get a lot what he wanted i believe uh but they can't do it because they can't get they can't break the filibuster um you know maybe he'll change his mind again but this was kind of going to be a bipartisan signing ceremony this bill is an incredible piece of legislation policy experts love it the left loves it mag is fine with it or enthusiastic it lost five senate votes and very few house votes and the president was going to be able to go up to capitol hill and say i'm I'm signing into law a bill that will help with affordability on housing, which is, as you know, one of the big areas people really care about.

34:10And he's chosen to scuttle it for, as you said, a piece of legislation that cannot pass. So it's confusing. It's confusing why he did it. But the president likes leverage, and I guess he thinks he has leverage here, but he doesn't. And maybe they'll they'll reschedule it. But it's just it's just a very odd decision that caught many Republicans on Capitol Hill by surprise. It's the old cutting off the nose to spite the face routine. Like this is a win. Like, oh, take your win. You're you can't get the thing you're threatening. I got we wish you could, but you can't. It's very odd. So why not take it?

34:47Take a win. The president has had a rough news cycle. You know, I mean, people are behind the settlement of this around war, but the past few months have been rough, rough on the president's poll numbers. This is a win. Total win. Now, maybe he'll change his mind and sign it, but it's not it's going to it's going to not get the same kind of coverage it would have gotten. It was going to get triumphal coverage. Donald Trump goes to Capitol Hill, signs a popular piece of legislation on affordability and housing with massive bipartisan support. And he's just for now, at least he's choosing to put a damper on it.

35:17It's confusing. I don't get it. It's very confusing. All right. But as we close out the segment, we're glad Al Green is gone. We're glad Schlossberg and Conway did not make it. We're not so grateful for these weird, radical Democrat socialists ascending into New York politics because it's probably a harbinger of things to come on a nationwide level. Do we agree? Good summary. Outstanding. We agree. There's something for everyone in that one. Mark Halperin, a pleasure as always, my friend. Great to see you, Megan. Thank you. All right. Don't forget to go subscribe to Next Up with Mark Halperin so you can get Mark's and his favorite guests insightful political analysis.

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37:41joining me now chamath palihapitiya he's ceo of social capital and co-host of the all in podcast chamath great to see you so we've been talking with mark halperin about what happened in new york last night with these three i mean far left democratic socialists winning uh in these three key congressional races which means they're gonna they're going to congress because there's no real meaningful Republican opposition in New York. And the radical, the radical nature of these three, I'm just going to play another soundbite from this woman, Chevalier, who take a listen to what she said here in Stop 54, comparing Israel and the United States.

38:23And I've seen a lot of similarities, not just in the way things are done, but also in the very institutions that are enacting that violence. The tear gas that was being dropped on Palestinians in Gaza in 2014 was the same tear gas that was being dropped on Black protesters in Ferguson in 2014. And that memory, that summer for me, was incredibly formative because it showed me that connection is not only one that is like, but it is the very same system. Your thoughts on this gal, Shamath? I think if I take a step back, I think we have to take this really seriously. When you look at candidates like her or candidates like Mamdani, what is the through line?

39:03Um, they're all incredibly articulate. They're generally very good looking and presentable. And they're incredibly nuts in terms of their perspectives. They, they present these things in an extremely approachable way. They're built for the moment in terms of social media. And so I think you have to take these folks extremely seriously, because they are, they know how to capture the algorithmic intentions of the mechanisms that get their message to people. And it's landing with enough people that then they are going out and voting in a direction that I never thought we would even come close to touching in the United States.

39:48So I think it's really concerning. I think that if I had to give you a pet theory on this, though, I do think that we're going to turn the tide. and I would give you the example of Canada, the UK and Australia. The thing that those countries had, I grew up in Canada, I think you know that. It was an incredibly liberal place and when I was growing up in Canada, it was much more liberal than even the United States was. You know, we would look at Dan Quayle railing on rap lyrics and we thought, what is the big deal? Like, this is freedom of speech or, you know, past a certain amount of time on TV, there was some relatively racy television and we were all just kind of looked the other way.

40:27Everybody was a live, let live culture. But then what happened? When social media really started to proliferate and the currency became about attention, the outrage machine and the attention you could get from that trumped everything else. It just cascaded through all of society. And now what you're seeing is the next generation of that, which is a much more refined form of outrage that I think like when you unpeel what they're saying beyond the articulate words and the well-presented nature is really scary. And this is the kind of insidious thing that I think we have to confront. So what has happened in those three countries?

41:09They have veered so far off course over many years of allowing this outrage to build up and they've manifested in completely open borders, economic policy that didn't make sense. A lot of the things that people are talking about now have been experimented in those countries and have turned out clearly to be a pretty abysmal failure. But what have those countries interestingly done in the last six months? All three have instituted a ban on social media for kids 16 and under. And I think this is a huge thing. Why? Because we, you look, Megan, you have children, same age as my children. We all know habits engender behavior.

41:53If you want kids to eat well, you can't feed them candy when they're kids. If you want kids to learn how to sleep well and manage their body and exercise, you have to teach those habits as a kid. If you want them to speak a second language, you have to speak that language at home. There are just basic rules that then guide these children as adults. I think if you deprive an entire generation of social media, I think you'll see the incentives change because their desire to be fed by this attention outrage machine will be less than this current generation of people that live on it. And I think in that, they'll hopefully be able to sort through what is normal and what is clearly crazy, even when it's presented by people that look and sound like very articulate, presentable people.

42:41And I think that that ability to distinguish has been lost by this last generation of people that are now at voting age. You see it in the polls. And so I suspect if you see Canada, the UK and Australia flip, it is time. And by the way, Florida has already done this. It's time to probably look at this and say, hey, hold on a second. We need to reset how people actually process information because you can have totally derelict outcomes here if you let this stuff fester too long. A couple of thoughts on that. One, I hope you're right on the social media. I'm concerned it's more like you had no cocaine your entire life and then you had cocaine and you're like, holy crap, this stuff's amazing.

43:22Watch me go. Thank God this is finally introduced to me. That worries me about the social media thing. Secondly, on what's happening on the left, I actually think what we saw last night in New York is not that far afield from what we saw with Trump's election and then re-election. where there is a segment of the population that is just so done with the systems as they are now. This feels so unserved by government, by the choices that their predecessors have made. They can't buy a house. They can't get a meaningful job. They can't take a vacation, that they're just willing to try something different.

44:01And so even though maybe they knew, maybe they didn't, that this woman's party, for example, the Chevalier, but all three of them are democratic socialists. as I said a moment ago, wants to defund the Pentagon, abolish the U.S. Senate, wants universal amnesty, wants to replace the president and the Supreme Court with something else, wants no more policing, no more incarceration. It's kind of like it's like a dystopian version of idiocracy meets the handmaid's table. It sounds insane. Yes, but they're like that socialism stuff in the middle of all that sounds good. Well, this is where I don't want to read one more article about Sam Altman or Elon and his trillion dollars.

44:42I want to take a vacation. Sure. This is where I think you're bringing up something really important. I don't want to completely dismiss where they're coming from and their rhetoric, because to your point, what they're also able to do beyond capture the outrage to get distribution, that's a lot of, you know, a lot of the stuff that they say initiates that way. But then underneath, what are they speaking to? the economic insecurity of a plurality of Americans, clearly, and they're able to exploit it and take advantage of it and give their version of what should happen, which is essentially some version of let's dismantle and take from people that are making things and redistribute that, which we know doesn't work, and it's never worked, and I think it never will work.

45:29So what can we take away from them, to your point, that is actually worth taking away? It is that we are at this moment where people have been beating the drum since Trump won around economic insecurity. The first wave was about saying we have hollowed out all of the United States except the coasts, and nobody is going to do anything about it except Donald Trump, so we're going to elect him. To your point, I think that that's very accurate. this next wave looks like something that's much more subtle but equally powerful potentially which is how do i get a chance to get to the starting line and very smart candidates like these guys are perverting that desire and instead saying well let me just even the finish line for all of us and some people can't tell the difference they're like starting line finish line whatever i just i just want more uh the problem is if you just even the finish line you become a ward of the state.

46:28I think you know this, but I grew up on welfare. My parents had very little money. I am telling, I will just scream from the mountaintops, you do not want this life. I've lived that life. It is horrendous. It is horrible. It is dehumanizing. And anybody that tells you otherwise hasn't lived in those conditions. You don't want to be a ward of the state getting a check because the finish line was set for you by somebody else. You don't want to stand in line and wait four years in a free, free hospital. That doesn't work. You want to have an even starting line. You want to be able to have the economic mobility to go where you want to go.

47:09You want to know that the game isn't rigged against you. Those are completely reasonable desires. So I think we have to address those issues. And we have to make sure that we dismantle some of these arguments because the idea of just taking is reductive, but it sounds really nice to some people at some point. I mean, I do wonder how much can a politician do to help people economically? I do think Trump's deregulation, Trump's keeping the taxes. I mean, they're not low, but they're lower than they would have been had he not won reelection and gotten an extension of his tax cuts passed. That helps.

47:52That helps. Like, honestly, the people who are suffering in New York City, this woman Chevalier, what's she going to be able to do for them? Nothing, but she's going to be able to create a lot of chaos and slow things down and gum up the system. And, you know, I mean, you talked with Mark about the housing bill that just passed. There is the potential for government in moments to do some really useful and good things. there was an enormous amount of upside i think in the one big beautiful bill it cleaned up a bunch of regulation it cleaned up a bunch of grifty you know tax credit schemes that were just bogging down the economy and just wasting money in this housing bill i read i don't know much about it but i read one very clever feature which i thought wow this makes so much sense You know, everybody rails about how hard it is to get local state governments to do anything, you know, to get a permit to do anything.

48:48And they had two things, Megan, that I thought was brilliant. One was, if you have a building to the left of you and a building to the right of you, you don't need an economic and environmental review. Because clearly, these two buildings had to go through all of this for years. So just build what you want to build. And second, if I'm just, you know, buying from a home builder, and I'm just taking a pattern that they've built 10 times, why do I need all these extra permits? So there are ways that governments can just step in in very tactical, precise ways to just get out of our own way. And what it what it turns out is other Americans are very clever and industrious and are then able to make things for you that you want.

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51:29Chamath Palahapitiya is still with us of the All In podcast, which if you're not already listening to, you should be. Go and subscribe now. So Chamath, we'd be remiss if we didn't acknowledge what's happening on the left with respect to Israel has creeped over into the right and the right wing, the independents no longer support Israel in overwhelming numbers. They're against it now. I mean, they disapprove of it. They don't approve of its behavior. It's government, its leadership and the decisions they've made. Now that's happening more and more within Republican politics as well. And I just think, you know, we started the show by reading from one political pundit who said every Democrat now is going to swing much harder against both AIPAC and Israel going forward as a result of last night.

52:17But the truth is Republicans are going to have a really serious decision to make too when it comes to positioning on Israel. And I'm going to play the soundbite from Tucker, who announced to a podcast I've never heard of earlier this week that he's left the GOP. Now, I haven't been a member of the GOP in 20 plus years. I'm a registered independent. And that's I'm very happy where I am. But it's over this issue. And he he speaks for others, too. I wanted to get your reaction. Watch this. I would not support the Republican Party. There's no chance I would support the Republican Party, not going to support the Democratic Party.

52:52I don't know what I'm going to do. But at this point, you know, how could you support how could I or any American voters support a political party that's not loyal to the United States that puts the interest of a foreign country above those of its own citizens? Like that's that's you know, it's not possible to vote for people like that. And I'm not going to. And I think I voted Republican my entire life. I worked at Fox News, CNN, MSNBC. I've been a consistent defender for 35 years of the Republican Party. I mean, very consistent defender. But there's no defending this because it's immoral. And it's exactly the opposite of what a political party in a democracy is charged with doing, which is representing its own voters, its own citizens, its own nation.

53:37And they're not doing that. So no, I'm out. And if I'm out, then I think a lot of other people are out. Wow. It's the can't be censored podcast. Yeah, pretty extraordinary. There is a growing wing within the GOP that I think feels the way Tucker does. But what do you see happening here on on the red team as we go into these midterms and then beyond? Because, you know, right now there's, there are thought pieces out on how, for example, over on the blue team, Josh Shapiro's out that the Democrats are not going to vote for even a Jewish man, nevermind a Jewish man who supports Israel. That's extreme.

54:14But I, I do wonder what it's going to do to Republican politics going forward. Yeah. I share these same concerns with you. I find this incredibly concerning. Um, many of my closest friends are Jewish. Um, and I love Israel. I, uh, I had the honor of working there very early in my career. I would spend time in Tel Aviv, spend time in Jerusalem. The people are unbelievable. Frankly, most of the people I've ever met in the Middle East have been unbelievable. In every country there, UAE, Israel, particularly those two countries, I've spent more time than any place else. So this idea that we have an issue with Israel needs to be separated from do we have an issue with the current leadership of Israel versus Israelis versus Jews.

55:04And I think that's a really important distinction that we have to make. I think that people are hitting a level of exhaustion with Bibi. and I think it's important to acknowledge that and then ask the question, is it time for... And what more does Bibi need to accomplish at this point where he can sort of say, okay, in his view, not defending it, but in his view, whatever he felt needed to be done, maybe he can say he can declare victory and step to the side so that Israel can find a firmer footing on the global stage. because I think what is happening, unfortunately, is that that leadership is creating a schism where it's forcing us to make very difficult decisions.

55:53I don't know if you've been watching, but America versus Europe is sort of falling along these lines as well about what's happening. I think it's very complicated and it's super concerning, but I think if I could tell people that are watching, please think about whether you're actually anti-israel or anti-jew or whether you're just very frustrated with bb and i think that's a very reasonable claim to have but i would encourage you to not project that onto jews particularly jews in america uh jews at large or israelis at large these are by and large incredible human beings and people um and you can you can be upset with a leader.

56:36And that's allowed. And I think that that's reasonable. And there's enough fodder there where, you know, you can not be super happy with Bibi. But I would just make try to make that distinction. Because it's a little more than Bibi, because I'd be thrilled to see Bibi go, I think he's done so much harm. And I mean, you look at the 10s of 1000s of civilians dead in Gaza, among one thing, and then he started it again in Beirut, he seems very determined to queer the deal that Trump struck to end this war. So that's all bad. But it's beyond him because the AIPAC thing is real, too. And it's not just AIPAC.

57:11I've been a critic of CARE for many, many, many years. By the way, no one ever gave me a hard time over that. But you become a critic of AIPAC and you get flooded with trolls in your in your ex account. But these foreign lobby groups, I mean, these these groups that are lobbying basically on behalf of a foreign country and their interests. And AIPAC is, I mean, they are like NRA level in terms of their influence and control and how ubiquitous they are and how many politicians they've touched with their money. That it's like, now that predates Bibi and it'll go on after Bibi. And that's something people hold against Israel.

57:45Like stop, stop with the constant interference in our politics. You're bringing up a really important historical example when you make the comparison of AIPAC to NRA. In what way? Both of those organizations were incredibly sophisticated. They had huge ground games. They had an incredible fundraising apparatus. But what happened ultimately to the NRA? It became an organization, sorry about that, Megan, focused on its own power more than it was focused on advancing gun rights necessarily. How do we know that? because of what ultimately then happened in the NRA. Issues of fraud or issues of corruption and then the dismantling of the NRA that's happened now.

58:35So what I would say is APAC is probably no different than any large organization, which is you start with a virtuous mission, right? You think that you're fundraising on behalf of something virtuous. And I just think human nature has demonstrated that beyond a certain amount of influence and capital, These types of organizations tend to fold itself inward and lose the script. I think if you want to criticize AIPAC, again, fair enough. I think there's probably enough material there to point to. And again, I would just say the same thing, not to be repetitive, but that is so different than Jews and Israelis.

59:16So great. You can put AIPAC and its operations under scrutiny. I think it's fair to do that. We can put Southern Poverty Law Center under scrutiny. We should do that. NRA has already been under scrutiny. So there are examples here when these lobby organizations beyond a certain amount of scale lose its way. I think it's fair to critique AIPAC and see whether that's happened there. I don't know the story well enough to judge, but I would just say it could have happened. And maybe that's where a lot of people's anger comes from. Entirely different than an entire class of people or religion. That is just totally different.

59:52Yeah. Yeah, that is an important distinction to keep in mind. All right, from APAC to AI, which is right up your alley. Where do you stand on it? Are you part of the Doomer crowd predicting, you know, I sort of made a joke before, like we're going to solve every disease that can kill man, and then we're going to get bombed by the machines that solved it. So where do you stand on AI? Where do you see it going? um look um when i was a early executive i helped build facebook i think that that's well known a lot of what i did there were the early was the early table setting of ai and then that next this next phase of my life um i was an investor and invested in a lot of ai related efforts and space and other things but two years ago i started a business in ai and i've spent most of my time now Maybe the question is, I didn't have to do that at 50 years old.

1:00:47I'm tired, exhausted, quite honestly, but why do I do it? I'm being really honest with you, not hyperbolic when I say this. It is the most important and powerful economic leveler I've ever seen. What does that mean? Going back to how we talked about, we want to even the starting line, not even the finishing line. What is the most incredible thing that you could do to even the starting line? Well, imagine you and I, Megan, had to run the 100-meter dash against Usain Bolt, but we were both given an exoskeleton that allowed us to run as fast as he did. That is an example of just trying to analogize what AI is in your pocket or in my pocket or any of your viewers' and listeners' pockets.

1:01:31It's not about knowledge anymore. It is about literally taking all of the expertise and intellect of the smartest humans that have ever lived and compacting that in a way where you can have that beside you effectively as your partner, as your analyst, as your doctor, as your co-founder, as your co-parent. So it allows you to do things that, frankly, we weren't able to do before. The reason we're here and why so many people have a negative view on AI has nothing to do with the product itself. It has everything to do with the personalities and the insecurities that have spilled out into the open amongst the players in this play.

1:02:13And I think it's important to make sure we tell that story honestly, because it would be a shame if this technology got negatively painted because of infighting and rancor and the kind of stuff that we're dealing with now. You have, for example, like you talked about it with Mark, you know, in the race where George Conway got crushed and Schlossberg was a nothing burger. The real two candidates in that race was a pro AI person that was funded in a way from organizations that wanted to see progressive approaches to AI. Progressive I define as like let a thousand flowers bloom and then a bunch of doomers.

1:02:53And the doomers said, lock it all down. Let the government decide who gets it and how. Could you imagine if the government decided how you got access to health care information? Is that is that insane as it sounds? Because that's exactly what they're saying. And yet that organization funded by NPROPIC raised 21 million dollars and they spent in that election and they still lost. Thank God. So we have to now take the narrative back. We have to paint the reality. There's going to be some initial dislocation, but there's some huge pockets of wins right now that are happening economically. There are construction foremen, managers, engineers, plumbers, electricians.

1:03:38These folks are making hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Those economic benefits spill into the communities in which they're in. The taxes that are paid on these things are funding hospitals and schools at a level that hasn't happened before. the data centers you're talking about building and paying taxes on yeah all of this stuff is happening but where none of it gets told uh instead what it's being told is hey watch out the sky is falling and the problem with chicken little is you you don't believe him after a while because it turns out that the sky doesn't actually ever fall what is actually happening is he is projecting his insecurities into the public light to essentially gatekeep this technology by saying, it doesn't matter how much value I make at this point.

1:04:26What really matters to me is I'm on the inside looking out, deciding who gets to use this and how. And I think that is fundamentally un-American, and it's very concerning to me. So I think that we have to let this technology breathe, let great people who have great intentions make things for people. And we have to have enough circumspection so that you understand the incentives of the doomers. The doomers want control. They want the Handmaid's Tale. They want to decide who gets to use things and how. And I think gatekeeping this kind of power is incredibly irresponsible. They use the exact opposite word.

1:05:12They say it's responsible. It is not. It's deeply irresponsible. You don't worry about putting a generation out of work. That's what worries me. I think the details we're we're marching toward eliminating millions of white collar jobs. I don't think so. Without a whole lot of thought about it. I'll give you one. Here's Citadel CEO Ken Griffin in an interview in May. Listen to this. 45. Let me just share a few thoughts with you on this. Number one is, in the last few months, there has been a step change function in the productivity of the AI toolkit. It is profoundly more powerful than it was just nine months ago.

1:05:59And for us at Citadel, that has allowed us to unleash a much broader array of use cases for AI. And it has been really interesting to watch, to be blunt, work that we would usually do with people with masters and PhDs in finance over the course of weeks or months being done by AI agents over the course of hours or days. So these are not mid-tier white-collar jobs. These are like extraordinarily high-skilled jobs being, I'm going to pick a word, being automated by a Genic AI. And I got to tell you, I went home one Friday actually fairly depressed by this. What do you make of it? I think that Ken Griffin is an incredibly brilliant investor and businessman.

1:06:55I think he's built an incredible business. And I think if you date stamp what he said, and look 18 months from now, I will bet any amount of money, two things are true. One is that he actually has more people working at Citadel, not less. And two, his assets under management have gone up, not down. And on the margin, I suspect three, he's made more profits. what does that actually show i think it's very reasonable for people to look at something that's incredibly powerful like this and not fully understand its totality and i understand that and i think it's extremely prudent for someone like ken griffin who is very trustworthy to actually paint an a balanced approach but i suspect when you ask him how to refine his opinion You know, and as he refines his opinion, if you are able to ask him this exact same question, Megan, in a year and just ask precisely, did your business grow or shrink?

1:07:51Did the number of people go up or down? Did your AUM go up or down? And the people in your organization making more or less, I suspect the answer is more on all counts. And the reason I know this is in my business, that's what I see. I don't see myself displacing engineers or product managers or designers. entrepreneurs, our business, 8090, we go in and we work with the largest organizations in America, the global 1000, the most prestigious, big, complicated businesses, and the US government. In all of these cases, when we go in and we work with them and we use AI to improve their business, they grow more.

1:08:34They end up hiring more. They end up paying these people more. And you're right, that people move up the stack in their capability in terms of the skills that they offer. Like I suspect when the Megyn Kelly show implements AI, using AI to maybe make short form clips for you, using AI to help market your show better, to sell ads, I suspect what happens is you will grow more, even more. I mean, you've had incredible success, but you'll be even more successful. It'll auto-translate you into umpteen languages. Now people all over the world will watch you. Your team will get bigger. They're invariably going to ask that you pay them more.

1:09:12You're going to have to do that. It's going to be a win. And I think that there are going to be umpteen examples of that. This is why I'm saying we're in a moment in time where there's a vacuum and this vacuum has been filled by misdirection and misinformation by a small cohort of people that need two things. They want absolute control and they want all of the money because the way that they've approached this technology is extremely expensive. What do I mean by that? We have a company, Anthropic, that launched a model. It's exceptional. We use it. I mean, this is an incredibly talented team. Politics aside, all of these other tactics aside, they're technically superior.

1:09:54I'm glad they're American. But let's just say, you know, It costs you$100 an hour to use their latest model. A Chinese competitor launched a model basically a few weeks later, and it's$10 an hour. I'm just using those numbers as a comparison. It's one-tenth the cost. So for whatever set of decisions that Anthropic has made, they need all the money, all of it. So when they talk to investors, they're trying to present this picture of this is going to be cataclysmic. You need to be on our side. And also, you know, we need to make sure that we stage gate this because a bevy of competitors creates their makes their access to capital harder.

1:10:36I think if everybody understood those incentives and at least thought about them for one second when you heard the Doomer narrative, you would probably balance what they're saying and say, maybe they're saying what's right. Or maybe this is a very fancy soundbite to advance their agenda and take a second to understand their agenda and judge for yourself. Is it true that Anthropic went from$1 billion to$44 billion in revenue in 17 months? So this is a very complicated question. And the reason why is they're very opaque in how they report revenue. And they have every right to. So let me be clear.

1:11:21They're not a public company. They're not subject to public reporting standards. they publish what they feel like they should publish. And frankly, they publish the minimum that they can get away with to their investors. It is very hard to really know underneath the hood what that revenue means. Meaning, is it actually recurring where you and I are on the long-term contract and we have to pay this? Is it one-time revenue? Is it coming from a handful of folks? Is it coming from a long tail? What is true is that their revenue is going absolutely parabolic again because the quality of their business is undeniable the quality of what they've built is undeniable and so they've had enormous success i can't speak to the actual numbers because there's a level of opacity that's you know for for a person like me but let me get at it a different way because that it seems to me the the level of investment in companies like and anthropic and beyond has, I don't know, triple, quadruple?

1:12:23We're talking about hundreds of - It's 200 basis points of GDP now. It's five, six, seven,$800 billion a year. That's insane, Chumai. So if I were to ask you, separate apart from whether it's good or bad, if I were to ask you, you take any industry in America and inject it with five, 600 billions in investments, what's going to happen to that industry? I mean - It's a great question. Okay, so - It's about to take over. So let's postulate this, or let's hypothesize. People hate going back and looking at history, but I think history is sometimes a very useful teacher here. The level of investment that we're seeing is probably most reasonably approximated to two different parts of the business life of the United States.

1:13:08The first was there was an incredible investment cycle that we Americans went through when we were building transportation infrastructure in the 1800s and the 1700s, everything from canals and then canals that transitioned to, you know, major railroads with the invention of steam engines and whatnot. And that was on the scale on an inflation adjusted basis of what we're talking about. Another example is the major highway infrastructure system, also on the same order of magnitude of this. So to your point, one of the things that's so odd this time around is we've transitioned from public support and public investment, right?

1:13:48By the way, many of the canals that were built in the United States were underwritten by private investors. However, they had state backstops. Same thing for some railroads. But this time around, it's all privately financed. And so you're looking at a level of investment and you're wondering, well, how do we make this thing equitable and fair? Because the canals and the railroads were ultimately available to everyone. The highway system in the United States is available to everyone. This is why, again, I go back to if we're making this level of investment and I thank the private actors in America that are stepping up and our partners abroad who are stepping up.

1:14:27How do we make sure that it's available to everybody? Like this is the last thing we should gatekeep. Could you imagine if the highways could only be used by certain people at certain times that were judged by a private company? That is insane. And so we're making the investment. The jobs are being created. The profits are being spread out. all of that is good. What is scary is that now we may marry that with gatekeeping. And that's to the benefit of the few that are making the system. And I can understand it logically in the sense that that's a capital incentive. Okay, reasonable. But we have to be smart enough to see through that, not fall for the doomerism, balance the perspective and say, you know what, it's great that you're doing it.

1:15:10You're going to build a great business. You're going to be rewarded, but we're going to keep this thing fundamentally open. And I think we have to do that. And we have to make sure we draw the line and see the forest from the trees. Do not fall for the doomer narrative. It is laced with their own personal incentives. I'm worried about the computers eliminating a bunch of jobs, number one, so our kids don't have meaningful places to go. Because I hear you saying that companies are going to add jobs, but that's not what a lot of other people are saying. And I can see it. I can see I was a lawyer for almost 10 years.

1:15:42First, second, third year lawyers, their work is getting eliminated. I mean, a computer can do that now. AI can do that now. But then how do you become a senior lawyer without having been a first, second and a third year lawyer? Like you can't have, but that's just one field, like graphic design gone. A lot of the pieces of the medical industry. Can we pick, can we pick these? These are not true. Can I debunk these? Let's, let's give you, I'll give you a couple of examples. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I'll give you three examples and I'll end with lawyers, but let me start with animators. There's an incredible story that Jeffrey Katzenberg tells.

1:16:14Jeffrey Katzenberg is famous, incredible entrepreneur, executive investor, ran DreamWorks. He was at Disney. He was the number two person at Disney working for Michael Eisner, who was the CEO at the time. And he flew up to Silicon Valley from Los Angeles and he went to meet Steve Jobs. This was after Steve was, you know, sort of deposed from Apple and started this company called Next Computer. And he had bought a small company called Pixar. And Steve was working to make a movie, but didn't have enough capital. And so Jeffrey says, I'll finance you. First, he said, I want to buy you. And Steve said, no.

1:16:51And so Jeffrey says, great, let me finance you. And let's do a three or four picture deal. And Steve says, great, go back to LA, get the deal done. And Jeffrey goes back and says, guys, we're doing this deal with Pixar. The animators are up in arms because what they see is a computer that's trying to replace their job. Sound familiar, right? It's like I animate by hand and now this computer is going to make these graphics. It's going to be much better than my graphics. I'm going to lose a job. They were up in arms. Jeffrey and Michael sit in a room. Jeffrey says, I thought through this. It is going to be okay.

1:17:25We're going to look back and we will have more animators. He walked through his logic. Michael says, okay, the deal gets done. The first movie they release is Toy Story. Okay, fast forward a decade. The number of animators inside of Disney has gone up by 10x. It didn't shrink. It didn't go away. In fact, what it did was it opened the aperture for what was possible. Second example, we had all of this dumerism in the medical field around doctors and radiologists specifically. And it's this idea that using AI, you can get to absolute precision. Why do I need a doctor visually inspecting with their eyes, whether I have a tumor or not?

1:18:07Oh my God, give it to a computer. The computer will absolutely know with surety. Lo and behold, what turns out to be true? We implement these systems and the computer needs the human judgment to sit on top of it. The human is the operator. And now what has happened in radiology? The number of jobs have far exceeded the number of jobs before AI. So AI, now in two markets, have grown the pie of jobs. I'll give you a third example now, which is we'll end with lawyers. Unless humans stop populating the earth and passing laws and politicians seeking power, unless that happens, the body of law is only growing.

1:18:55There's this positive entropy where it just keeps growing. I'm not saying it's right. In fact, I think it's wrong, but it just happens. Even when you feed it into an AI, you need more human supervision and human judgment. So you're right. The tedium of the lawyer goes away. And there's a lot of tedium in a lot of jobs. But that's what AI does really well. It deals with the tedium. And now imagine if you're a second and third year associate, instead of having to like sit there and like grind out T's and C's deep into page 98 of a contract, that tedium is done for you. And instead, your partner is saying, all right, Megan, frame up this deal.

1:19:32Tell me the broad strokes. That's how it shaped this thing. And then you're like, well, look, these two laws conflict with each other. What's our interpretation? What's our human judgment. That's what's happening. And if you look inside of the best law firms, and I'm fortunate to get to work with many of them, the number of people that they're hiring is going up. And in fact, the amount that they're charging me is going up. And I'm just like, what choice do I have? And so in all of these examples, what I see on the ground, all the places where people say the jobs are going away, it's just not true.

1:20:06I think that we have to also take a step back and say, why do we think this is true? And I think this speaks to a very different thing. Silicon Valley, for many years, had these kind of like quirky nerds. You know, we kind of toiled in obscurity. Every now and then we would poke our head. You would point at us and say, look at this exotic animal at the zoo. and then we would go back to my office in Menlo Park and Palo Alto and Redwood City and Mountain View. These are these little quaint towns and we would just grind away in obscurity. That's what it used to be. I think in this last cycle, we have done two things that have really hurt us.

1:20:49One is we've become deeply unserious in how we manifest our character outside of Silicon Valley. We have built, by and large, except for a few people, a lot of unserious things. Some people specifically have done things that have completely collapsed trust and respect. We've lost our last generation of leaders who were incredible, like people like Steve Jobs. Everybody would have followed him everywhere. And the vacuum is being filled, but it's few and far between. We have that next generation, but a few of them. Jensen Huang, who runs NVIDIA, unbelievable. Elon Musk, who obviously runs SpaceX, unbelievable.

1:21:30But there's a vacuum. You know, Mark Benioff who runs Salesforce, unbelievable. So we have a few, but not nearly as many as we had before. And the rest of them are a little bit kind of goofballs. And, you know, the decisions they make are just dumb. And, you know, how they show them stuff. Behind the scenes kinds of people. Yeah. And like the things that they've allowed to happen inside of their companies, the stealing of the information, it's all bad. So I think a lot of why people also mistrust AI is they say, well, hold on. If the next generation of leaders of this technology look like this last generation, I don't like that.

1:22:04I don't want to see this next generation of those folks. I want to go back to the 2000 to 2010 era. I want Mark Benioff, Steve Jobs, Jensen Huang, Elon Musk. I want those people. Fundamentally earnest, good, honorable people, predictable, consistent. And that's what we need. We need a reset. And I think if we do that, you are much more likely to believe the positive sum view of AI. Instead, again - All right, wait, let me ask you one other question about it before we move on from this topic. What about the risk of literally AI launching the nuclear codes, launching missiles, doing something to actually attack humans?

1:22:48Great question. Great question. Okay, let's break that one down. Everything runs on software. So the missile codes, when you say, you know, let's figure out like some doomsday scenario where somebody gets access to the codes, there's not some keypad somewhere that you can get access to where you can just go and type in a bunch of codes that are guessed by Anthropic. There's a lot of software. Now, what's incredible today is OpenAI and Anthropic have created a level of proficiency where we are able to take those models, point it at all of that mission-critical code, and say, inspect it line by line, letter by letter, and tell us where all the holes are.

1:23:33And what would you expect that they are finding? That, again, there is an enormous amount of tedium that goes into writing code. And as a result, humans have littered these codebases with thousands and thousands and thousands of preventable errors. And it exists in every single codebase, in every single company, for every single use case you can imagine. All of that is slowly getting undone. So at some point in the near future, because we're pointing these technologies at the most critical infrastructure first, what we will know is that these things are incredibly hardened. Now, that's the point about protecting ourselves.

1:24:13That's defense. What about offense? I do think that there needs to be levels of KYC, which what is that? That means know your customer to use some of these most advanced technologies. The best example is, and this is a horrible example, but it paints the case, when Timothy McVeigh did that act of domestic terrorism and blew up that federal office building in Oklahoma, what did we find out from that? We found out that we needed to have much stricter guardrails. You can go and buy fertilizer, but the minute that you're trying to buy two tons of fertilizer, all these red lights go off and you have to submit your driver's license and we write that information down and we keep that in storage.

1:24:59That's the kind of KYC that's incredibly important. Why? Why? Because it allows us to backtrack and say, you're allowed to have fertilizer, but beyond a certain point, that can go from being a tool to being a weapon. Similarly with AI, it's not unreasonable to say that there is a class of model that you should be able to use at your home. Why? Because you want to help manage your health, you want to help your kids, you want an AI tutor. Go at it. You don't need any identification. But there's going to be a certain class of model, to your point, Megan, that could create a biological weapon that has enough intelligence to maybe manufacture a bomb.

1:25:39You should be forced to put your driver's license, your passport. We should know who you are. And that's a reasonable expectation to use that class of model. We do this in many other parts of our society today. And I think that's how we should deal with this is just have a reasonable know your client KYC infrastructure. It's a different example. You know, if you wanted to send me 50 million bucks, you could probably do it because you and I are known actors. You wanted to send it to a random account in Columbia. All kinds of alarm bells go off and you're going to get a call from Treasury because these infrastructure says you have to self you have to identify.

1:26:18We need all this tracking information. Otherwise, you're not allowed to do those things. That happens in so many parts of our society today. So I think we should apply that here. You're saying that that transaction would be shut down or labeled for extra scrutiny by the AI companies before they would just start forming out this information that a bad actor would want. No, in fact, I think it's more that there needs to be almost like a third party that sits in between all of this and says, beyond a certain class of transaction, a certain class of prompt, you have to self-identify in a way that, you know, authorities as well as those companies can go back to if anything bad were to happen or prevent it.

1:26:59Something beyond the honor system, because we're not talking in this hypothetical about honorable people. And this is where like the honor system won't work for a very bad actor who has an incentive to try to do harm to the United States. I get that. But let's do that, not gatekeep the stuff from everybody else because 99.999 % of these use cases are reasonable and good and useful to you and me and everybody else. And so we should just deal. I mean, I'm all for curing pancreatic cancer and skin cancer. We've been getting so many amazing updates on the health field as of late, thanks in large part to AI.

1:27:34So it's that I get very excited about and very happy. Just, just hope we can live to enjoy our wellness. That's all. All right, stand by. We're going to take a break. You made a very compelling argument. We'll be back with Chamath on the opposite side of this. Don't go away. Starting something new, especially a business, is so hard. So much work goes into something that you're not entirely sure is even going to work out, and it can be hard to make that leap of faith. But it does help when you have a partner like Shopify on your side. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10 % of all e-commerce in the U.S., from household names like Mattel and Allbirds to businesses just starting out.

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1:29:29We're back now with Chamath Palihapitiya. Chamath, there's bad behavior in New York, and you're going to be shocked, shocked to learn who did it. A woman caught on video reporting here from the New York Post emptying a public trash can on the street and then stealing it during the celebration of the Knicks championship parade has since been identified. Before I say who she is, we're going to look at the video where she's caught on camera here in SOT 16. Yeah! Yeah!

1:30:03All right. So it's a very large, though, short woman in a Knicks shirt, dumping trash all over the New York City streets because nothing says thank you to the New York Knicks like trashing their city and then steals the specially painted blue and orange trash can for herself. And who does it turn out to be? Well, she was up until this broke a director at JPMorgan Chase. She was fired on Tuesday after this video went viral. Her name is Angie Baez, 40, and she was promoted to Executive Director of Community and Industry Engagement, which is DEI. She previously served as Executive Director of DEI at New York-based review website, The Infatuation, which Chase acquired.

1:30:52She's a DEI honcho. I'll give you just a little bit of her bio, this is how she was described at the infatuation acquired by J.P. Morgan, as a vibrant mosaic of Dominican heritage, Bronx roots, and a passion for storytelling, creativity, and culture. Angie continues to lead the way toward a more inclusive and equitable future for food media, leaving an indelible mark on the infatuation and everything she touches, Chamav, including that garbage can. She also co-founded a queer, black, indigenous and people of color owned talent agency focused on increasing representation and equity in media and industry, which works with artists and talent on creative projects, photo shoots, strategy and business affairs.

1:31:38Now she's unemployed because she is a classless thief. This is a made up profession. Is anybody surprised she was idle, had nothing better to do than walk around the streets of New York stealing? Well, look, I don't know about how much the job impacted this decision, but she's a really terrible crook. You know, you can't document your crime. You know what I mean? Like, that's like a really stupid idea. Like, OK, commit the crime. I could understand why. Look, if I was in my 20s and I was it. I'm not a New York Knicks fan. I hate the Knicks. I apologize. but uh if i was a new york knicks fan and they're so you know hard scrabble they had no chance of winning ever and then they win obviously i would have been shocked too maybe i would have tried to steal a garbage can in my 20s in my 20s but i would have done it under the cover of darkness i mean this is in broad daylight somebody's filming it then they're taking pictures of her on the subway with it she's clearly excited that's the mistake here uh it's insane stupid stupid to work at JPMorgan Chase and good for them for cannier.

1:32:47Very bad criminal. Very bad criminal. So dumb. God, I hate dumb people. My next sound bite is from someone who is not dumb, but said something. I don't know if it's dumb. It's just so annoying. Like speaking of DEI and wokeness, Larry David, whose show I enjoy, I think Curb Your Enthusiasm is so clever and very funny, but I just wish he would stop with the political over the top stuff. Here he is commenting, on the 250th and the UFC celebration that Trump had at the White House. Take a listen. This is your way of celebrating America. The White House did it much differently with the UFC fight. What did you think about that?

1:33:26It was a travesty. What else can you say about it? It was embarrassing. I was embarrassed to be an American. okay there's no question larry lives in either beverly hills or bel-air and is living it up big and looked at these guys chamath and had absolutely nothing that he could relate to on this more of a working class american sport turned his nose up at it and walked away saying i'm embarrassed to be associated with them you know what i find um a problem with this is not the opinion um because you're allowed in america to have opposite opinions i just think that people memory hole, the arc of all of these things.

1:34:11If you remember in the Biden White House, they put rainbow flags on the beams of the South Lawn of the White House of different colors. And there was this kind of parade or carnival type atmosphere during Pride. I saw Tranny's fake breasts. Yeah, so I think that that probably made a certain class of Americans feel equally uncomfortable, whether it's for religious or other reasons. So every president in recent memory has essentially tried to find a part of the American culture that they want to amplify. And it necessarily does upset other parts of the American culture. I think, though, that when you're somebody that's public, you have to have the wherewithal to see that and actually say, well, we did one thing one way, and the president who's sitting now did one thing the other way.

1:35:07And actually, in both of these things, there's a little bit more balance, and we should all just move on. What I find problematic is, I think that we look at these kind of like media folks, actors, and they're not what they used to be. And I think that we almost like ask them, like they have some sort of cultural anchoring in shaping how we should think about things. And they used to have that power making, they don't have that power anymore. I think more people care what Jake Paul thinks than what Larry David thinks. You can debate whether that's right or wrong, but that's just the nature of where we are.

1:35:44And so part of it as well is you have a person that's just a little bit out of the center stage now. And so, you know, they kind of step into this thing without thinking about it logically. The logical thought should be there are things that happened in biden that a lot of people didn't like and there are going to be things that that president trump does that other people don't like and in the end of it as long as it's fair to some cohort of people that gets seen that's what's reasonable and when you're the president of the united states you have that power just yeah i think larry david i don't i don't see a ton of republicans like after we had trannies on the white house lawn showing their fake boobs saying that they felt un-American.

1:36:24There's nothing Joe Biden could do to make me feel un-American. I feel disgusted with his choices. No, you're right. I mean, and let me be very specific. There was somebody in nipple tassels on the White House lawn, and you have to compare that and say, what's worse, UFC or somebody exposing their bare breasts in public? And I think for me personally, the latter is much more offensive. And so without having the wherewithal to actually remember these things and just let the TDS guide your decision, I think is very simple and reductive and I think misses the mark. Yeah. I don't like UFC because I don't like violence.

1:37:00I don't like boxing. I don't like any violence. I can't, I can't handle it. It's not a class thing. Like it clearly is for Larry. I like box. I'm the same as you. I like boxing. Um, I get very nervous at UFC, but when I see blood, I get very squeamish. Even when I get my blood drawn, I get squeamish. so i'm like not built for ufc it's been amazing on the child your children's birth i can't even talk about i mean i can't i can't talk about this five times okay five times i just i couldn't i couldn't deal with it it's better you know like there's something to be said for the with the cigars in the waiting room role that uh men traditionally played for for some guys i get it uh let's end it on a happy note and that brings me to Josh.

1:37:44Josh is from England and he has the following message to Americans in the wake of all the World Cup celebrations that have brought so many from the UK over here. Take a listen to Sat 17. America, you deserve and are owed an apology. And I'm going to say sorry on behalf of all the countries outside America and their media and the narrative they paint about America. Hundreds and thousands of fans for the World Cup are now seeing America through their own eyes, realizing the narrative they've been fed is false. And they're now realizing America is not the place that they thought it was. And I am sorry the media in these countries outside of America paints you the way they do.

1:38:25America is rich in culture, scenery, the people are amazing. And the media in the countries outside of America paint this weird narrative that it's a place that you shouldn't go. But now the tides are changing. There is a shift that is happening. I'm sorry you've been painted in this light for so long. And I'm so happy America is finally receiving the flowers that it deserves. You know what, Schmuth, hearing him and others like him, yes, it's reminding me, I think that the World Cup has done more to renew American patriotism than the 250th and the celebrations that have happened so far around.

1:39:04I think people are loving the reaction from all these, you know, foreigners, our friends from across the pond coming and watching them discover America for the first time. It's some of the best videos, Megan. I don't know if you've seen it, but it's like you see like people from Korea or Japan who come to the U.S. for the first time, you know, very little English using a translation app, but, you know, sampling American food. Or I saw this one great clip of these Norwegian fans going to Bass Pro Shops for the first time and just totally being out of control. Germans tasting ranch sauce at like Hobies.

1:39:39I mean, they all love ranch dressing. It's amazing. Look, let's be clear. This is the single best country in the world. And he is right. Josh is right. We have had people push a narrative that has mischaracterized America abroad. But we've also had, you know, a media inside the United States that has pushed an error that has tried to mischaracterize it from within. And whenever you can have a moment where people can let their guard down and see what it's truly like, what you realize is this is the most special and incredible place on earth. And it has a set of rules that were made by men 250 years ago that were divinely inspired.

1:40:23And I think we should be so thankful for that. And, you know, I owe everything to this country and I'm just so proud to be an American. And so it makes me very happy to see that. And, you know, I hope more people come away with that. And I also hope that people in America start to think for themselves, please think for yourself. It's not nearly as bad as everybody says it is. It's pretty freaking awesome. That's right. It's it is pretty freaking awesome. And I'm looking forward to celebrating it. Big. We're going big. Even bigger than normal this year on July 4th. Further updates to follow. Chamath, thank you.

1:40:59Congrats. You are, by the way, you're absolutely steamrolling everybody, so congrats on your success. It is unbelievable. I see from Neil Mohan and YouTube and all these other guys how you are destroying people. It is your business, your reach is crushing and you deserve every single bit of it. Really proud to call your friend. Thank you. Thank you. Likewise. Say Say hi to Sachs and all my, and don't forget my buddy, Jason, my friend, Jason. It's been too long. I miss him. We'll see you soon. Tomorrow we're going to be joined by the guys of Real Clear Politics. There's a lot to discuss with them.

1:41:35Can't wait to hear their reaction to some of that political news we went over and much, much more. Thanks to all of you for joining us today and every day. We do appreciate it. And you can give me your thoughts on today's show on AI. I'd love to hear from you. Megan at MeganKelley.com. See you tomorrow. thanks for listening to the megan kelly show no bs no agenda and no fear