UK's Righteous Anger, Karmelo Anthony's Parents' Lies, and Cheating in LA Mayor Race, with Laurence Fox and Mike Solana | Ep. 1337

29:18Thank God. And that's a huge start. But I do think we had that uprising on the race essentialism and the trans thing, you know, that we did get to the point where it was hard no. And I don't think the UK has gotten there yet. I think you guys are hitting the immigration thing a little before we are. We're just, you're at the end of your rope. We kind of got there with some terrible, brutal crimes that we saw with Lake and Riley and so on. But we haven't seen people rush to the streets over immigration the way we're seeing right now. And the anger after Henry Novak, like that, I do think that's important.

29:49And it's the reason why it's not just this lunatic who we talked about, Kathy Newman. But here's the minister of Northern Ireland, Michelle O 'Neill. She's also got ideas about who's to blame and what could have prevented all of this. I speak not of the beheading. She doesn't seem so worried about preventing that. I speak of the protests and the outcries. Listen to this. That's seven. Monday night was horrific. And so many people saw that image. I wish people didn't see that image. But unfortunately, many people did. What? But it was absolutely horrific. but there are bad actors that are jumping on this and actually using it to stir up hate and tension and people who don't even know who we are we're not a racist people here people who don't even know where we are on a map but yet now we see the likes of the Elon Musks of this world where we see the Tommy Robisons of this world the keyboard warriors who are sitting very comfy in their homes orchestrating hate and tension and bringing this onto our streets and encouraging this onto our streets so I don't think I think people need to be alert to that who's behind us like these protests that are being organized if they're that smart about their protests why can not put their face to it because they can't because these protests are being organized by faceless thugs in my opinion all elon did was call for people to protest that's it which is a right and and did you hear she she wishes people hadn't seen the video that's the problem lawrence they saw the attempted beheading it's so pesky this actual proof of which we speak no one wants to see the beheading we want to talk about why the beheading is a good thing you know and why integration and diversity is so wonderful but i mean anyone who's had any level of education in this country or or any western country their belief is that the only diversity we're interested in at all is of opinion so it's okay to turn around it's also ironic that the the minister is flanked by what look like babysitters.

31:49And she's sitting there saying, it's just awful. But the worst part of it is she's speaking out of the most sectarianly violent country that has ever existed, really. I mean, it's Britain's Rwanda, Northern Ireland, the way that these people have murdered, you know, and killed each other just because one is Catholic and one is Protestant. So for them to suddenly develop a conscience is absolutely reprehensible. And the problem is that they don't realise that people are not consuming legacy media anymore. They're consuming you. They're consuming Dan Wooten. They're not consuming regulated government media, which is why the British government are trying to add new statutes onto the online...

32:34I mean, it does make you want to laugh. It's like, you know, to stop people accessing the truth. We have, in the United Kingdom, we have a Labour government which is turning around and saying, we're going to ban children from any form of media which isn't state-approved until they're 16, and then we're going to give them the vote. I mean, Chairman Mao would be excited about this. He'd be like, great plan, chaps. We are living in a dystopian hellhole in the United Kingdom. And what I love about my fellow countrymen, and I love about Tommy, Tech Tommy, who's useless at getting on a room. What I love about...

33:10We'll get him at some point. What I love about Tommy is Tommy is a mainstream person, right? And Elon made him mainstream. Elon said, listen to Tommy, he's got a voice. And if you decide that he's a thug and a racist, then you make your own mind up about it. But don't let the government tell you he's a thug and a racist because the government are not to be trusted. And it's why Trump in his hyperbolic, Trump's brilliance is the fact that he doesn't play by the rules. He doesn't play by the, well, I'm going to be very sober and judicious in this and that and this. And Tommy is that. I genuinely pray that Tommy gets a mission behind him to go, I could lead these people.

33:55People will follow me because we would. We absolutely would. He's the Robin Hood of our generation. Trump would be out there right now if this happened in America, calling this guy an animal. I mean, he would not be holding back. He far from chastising anybody about their severe reaction to watching an attempted beheading of one of their countrymen. He would be joining them in expressing the horror. And that's what these politicians don't get. They don't even give lip service. They can't. They'll say like, oh, it was terrible. But but the reaction is too much. And Elon and Tommy are to blame for it.

34:29And that's what's really they don't get it unless they feel it the way you feel it. The way Tommy Robinson feels it, the way even I feel it over here. They can't sell it. And the public knows they don't give a shit. They'll if given the chance, they would give another ninety two thousand from Sudan asylum tomorrow. We know it. The only answer is to oust these people and to rouse the hearts and minds who feel the same way into getting out on the streets and saying no more. That's it. This poor guy who almost lost his head was a special needs guy. He already, it comes out, was attacked brutally back in 2002 by a drug dealer that was a roommate of his who set him on fire.

35:12This poor guy's been through a lot living in assisted housing now for people who are special needs. And he gets targeted by this low life. We got enough low lives in our country. You got enough in your country. You don't need to fucking incorporate the ones from Sudan to unleash hell on our citizens. That's what I can't stand. They're like, oh, you know, Americans commit crimes. Yes, but we have to deal with them. We don't have to deal with Sudanese. You shouldn't have to either. But what happened to believing in ourselves, you know, to saying the West, we bought the canon of common law across the world.

35:47We stopped sati. We stopped. We bought free speech to the world. We ended slavery. We did all this stuff that still exists today, by the way. What is going on and what is actually going on is in education. and trans, which you've had an epiphany on, which is great. They start focusing on things that just don't matter at all. And what they do is a constant, unending demoralization of our society and our people. And when I say our people, I don't mean white people. I mean people that adhere to the British value system, the civic nationalist people of the West, of any color. They have demoralized us so much that you can be racist white people to the point where a man who has stabbed someone in the heart, his parents can feel aggrieved and his mother can feel aggrieved to turn around and say you kind of deserved it?

36:39I mean, what on earth does that lead to? That's what I want to know. What does it lead to? What positive does that lead to? And that same dynamic is underlying all the cases that we are discussing. The Henry Novak murder, the attempted beheading of this white man by a black man from Sudan and then the Carmelo Anthony case. It's because what we know in all of those cases, in all three of those cases, is that if the races were reversed, there would be no chastising of the protests that followed in the streets. There'd be no tisking about those who thought protest was appropriate and felt really, really angry that this goes on.

37:26None whatsoever. In fact, Keir Starmer took a knee after George Floyd and made it a huge deal. George Floyd, he's not even British. That wasn't even a UK case. So we know that they'd be acting differently. And it truly gets back to, honestly, do white lives matter? Do they matter at all? No, they don't. And until white people, which is so sad about identity politics as well, because no one wants to play identity politics. I think Martin Luther King was right to say it's content of character, not colour of skin. But identity politics, to assume that just because you happen to have one colour of skin ahead of another makes you not a wonderful person, I think it's a stupid idea.

38:10But at the same time, once you start playing it, when Keir Starmer gets down on his knee for a convicted, armed-robbing, fentanyl-alicked man who stuck a saunard shotgun into a pregnant lady's stomach, that we have to get on the knee for him, but you won't get on the knee for the person who actually paid taxes for you to protect them. Where does that lead? And also, more broadly, which is actually, this is a really harrowing thought, and I don't like it at all, but it's true. If you think about the way the Western canon is spoken about these days, you know, the damage, the horribleness of the British Empire and white people in America and what white people did to America and Britain and all this sort of stuff, essentially you're looking you're talking about seven percent of the global population would be identified as white what's the end result of that revenge so i i think that your average working-class white person in in certainly in the uk is slightly think they're going to take revenge on me for something i didn't do wrong so at that point you're looking at something truly, truly tragic.

39:17And you see it, it's perfectly exemplified in the way that they say, I wish you hadn't seen the video of the person trying to chop his head off. Because it's like, actually, what they should be saying, what any sensible person would be saying was, this is horrendous and we are going to deal with this. So come up with a policy to say, right, okay, even if it's not what they would call a racist or far-right policy, say anyone who is being granted indefinitely to remain in the United Kingdom for no reason whatsoever are filling in a questionnaire, perhaps we should remove them and return them to where they are.

39:53We have 40 ,000 Islamic extremists on the British terror watch list. And one of those people is going to do the same thing to someone else very soon. And I mean, I really hope I'm wrong, but part of me just feels like we're being goaded into, we're being goaded into allowing the government to impose yet further awful restrictions on the nature of how we can express ourselves freely via speech, and then if we can't express ourselves via speech, via other methods. And it's just appalling. And it's inevitable. In the same way as Tommy, so Nigel Farage, who leads this Ponzi scheme, political party, the Reform Party in the United Kingdom, he wouldn't have anything to do with Tommy Robinson.

40:38Tommy Robinson was talking about what Nigel Farage's main policy platform issues are 20 years ago as a teenager with no education from Luton. Wow. And people need to know in America that these people, this establishment, the British establishment is not coming to save you. Tommy Robinson is the person who actually has the ear of the people in this country. And I'm very proud to put my support behind him, even though it's in Congress because, you know, he's a working class lad from Luton and I'm a posh bloke from posh land. But it's it's we're in dire, dire trouble. Tommy gets it. Tommy's been channeling the rage appropriately after Henry.

41:24And now in this, I mean, you hear him and you know, he gets it. We actually pulled a soundbite of him leading that protest you said you were at after Henry Novak was murdered. And here's a little bit from that that protest. And this is a week ago. It's amazing. This just happened. You know, the trial of Henry. It's been going on. It wrapped up, what, a week, two weeks ago. Here it is, that one. We know, every one of you watching this know, if Henry wasn't white, he wouldn't have been handcuffed. So those that heard someone say this isn't about race, this is about race. He was murdered because he was white.

41:59He was handcuffed. Do you know the murderer? he didn't get handcuffed even after they found out he'd stabbed him five times, he still didn't get fucking handcuffed he still wasn't handcuffed he wasn't handcuffed in the police car he wasn't handcuffed at the police station they took him in the police station to choose what bloody meal he wanted that's what they've done that is the executive treatment given to non-whites the white boy who'd done nothing was handcuffed, the murderer in position of a knife who stabbed someone five times wasn't even handcuffed. He's there for the entire world to see.

42:39Not one word is untrue. Everything he said is exactly right. And on the heels of that, we now see this in Northern Ireland. I don't, it's a powder keg over there at Lawrence. I don't know how much more the British people are going to take. What's he talking about, Tommy? He's talking about fairness. Literally, that's all he's talking about. And it makes me emotional. this. It's like he's asking for fairness. That's it. Nothing else. None of the woke racism, none of this. He's asking for fairness. And the response of the establishment and the media is to turn around and call him a racist, far-right extremist.

43:14It's like, my goodness, do you know the level of anger that's coming your way? They don't know. They have no understanding, these people, of what is coming their way. They have no understanding. To the point where I have stood and sat and spoken with and been around normal average families who have come and said, I will die for this. You know, that's where we're at. And the establishment will just sit there and go, well, we'll impose harsher remedies. You know, we had a case in Britain two weeks ago where three gypsy boys, and they're protected because of their Romany ancestry. They're protected and they raped, three of them raped a young child.

43:54and the judge decided that the victim of the, you know, that they were too young to really understand the consequences of what they did. So he spared them a jail sentence, right? But someone who threw a bin, like a, you know, a trash can at a police officer is now in jail for 24 months in the United Kingdom. Do the United Kingdom, does the United Kingdom government understand what is going to happen if they continue to do that? They don't understand. and they're going to get decimated. And Britain has a proud history of revolution, actually. Not in the French way, like revolution over an idea, but revolution over something that really, really matters.

44:35And I think we're heading there. I really do. I see it as inevitable consequences of the government actions that are being taken. That's what I see. I can't see it any other way. There's one more of Tommy and Elon at a rally in London. And this is last September, right after Charlie was killed. It's hot, too. Hello, everyone.

45:00Okay, congratulations. Elon's there. Congratulations, Tommy, on putting together an amazing event and really rallying the people of Britain. Elon, none of this could have happened without you giving the British public access to the truth and giving us free speech and fighting for our free speech. on behalf of Great Britain and the British public. We're incredibly grateful, Elon. Elon, you've spent an incredible lot of money on X. Why is free speech so important to you? Well, I believe you can't get to the truth of things without freedom of speech, without active debate. And there's so many on the left that want to just crush debate.

45:39In fact, this is a government against the people and not for the people. And then you see how much violence there is on the left with our friend Charlie Cook getting murdered in cold blood this week. And people on the left celebrating it openly. The left is the party of murder. And celebrating murder. Amen. Amen. Amen. Powerful. He's right. He's right. I mean, and that's why. But that's why they say Elon is a Nazi. that in his fake salute. That's why they say Tommy Robinson is too, you can't have him in polite conversation because they'll say these things. I mean, it's why, it's why you got fired from GB news.

46:27And we talked about that at length when you happened for making what? Okay. Oh, fine. An off color joke about a woman who was dismissing the concerns of suicidal males in the UK. You're, she's allowed to say that you're not allowed to call her out on it. The guy on the street. He can do the beheading. We're not allowed to show it or condemn it or protest over it. These are the rules of polite society. Or you get the far whatever label or you get bounced out of Oxford from having a real debate, which I know you have an update on. But that's that's what's causing the anger. Like we're allowed to be angry over this stuff.

47:05We're allowed to protest and argue and call out our governments. What is Elon saying? He's saying again, which makes me emotional. Elon is saying, I defend the right to free speech for people I don't agree with. He's not defending the right to free speech for people he does agree with, because free speech doesn't matter that way. In the same way as Tommy is not, you know, people get very upset in England with Tommy for not being racist enough, so they just sit and call him a racist. But these are fundamentals to, you know, I'd say secular liberal democracy, which is possibly where we're at, but you know, in the West, we're probably more driven by biblical values.

47:47You have to kind of have a benchmark where you can go, I defend your right to disagree with me. Because if I don't defend your right to disagree with me, then you're going to attack me. It's so simple. It's not even complicated. So it becomes a kind of luxury belief delusion world that we live in. And it's so unhealthy and i have a child i have two children and i have two stepchildren and those kids i tell you you will not meet more radicalized people on earth these guys that next generation that's coming through they don't put up with it anymore they are done with it to the point where they've they you know then the next generation will be a golden one because we need one right yeah i agree i feel so hopeful whenever i talk to young people because they have they've had it But can you tell the audience, I told the audience that you and Tommy had been canceled from speaking at Oxford.

48:42There was a Palestinian Muslim woman who proposed the debate, wanted the debate. You guys said, sure, let's have the debate about basically whether Islam is consistent with Western democracies. And so a Muslim woman wanted to have it. She believed it's fine. You guys have a different opinion. And Oxford shut it down. Then we told everybody we were going to host it for you over here. And I understand Oxford has since had a change of heart, Lawrence. I just want to do a huge shout out to Awa, who is the president of the Oxford Union, who is a Palestinian Muslim woman. And I admire her so, so much.

49:23She wants to have the big debates. and one of the debates that she put forward was, is the West right to be suspicious of Islam? And I thought, yeah, that's a good debate. I'll take part in that. And they tried to cancel her. They tried to destroy her. This is the diversity is our strength person, right? You know, she's a Palestinian Muslim woman. I disagree with her about a lot, I imagine. But we have this human connection, which is so important with everybody you disagree with, which is to go, I don't care what you think. I care about you and I want you to express it. And she's an incredible, wonderful, wonderful woman.

50:05And this debate is apparently taking place. I fully expect them to cancel it next on, I can't even say the date because that's how mad it is. But they announced it. They said it's Tuesday. Oh, right. Okay. It is on Tuesday. Yeah. So the debate is on Tuesday and we're going to go and, I'm going to go and be charming about Islam. and free speech. And that's what I want to do. I don't want to go in and say I hate Muslims. I don't. I love Muslims. I hate Islam. And I will always hate Islam, because I understand Islam, and I know what it is. And I don't want it in the same way as I hate National Socialism.

50:40I don't like it. But I don't hate individual Muslims. And it's very difficult for people to understand the difference between that, you know, unless they read a Bible. Well, I think it's going to be a very powerful exchange. I'm looking forward to it. If they do cancel on you, we're here. We've got you. Lawrence, it's a pleasure. It's so good to see you. Thank you so much for standing up for what you believe in. Lawrence Fox, everybody. Lots of love to you. Love to you, Megan. Coming up next hour, Mike Salana is here. Looking forward to talking to him. Missed calls and slow follow-ups are silent killers.

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52:19Mike Solana is coming up, but I want to start with the latest on the fallout from the Carmelo Anthony trial as Austin Metcalf, the victim's father, is speaking out in a new exclusive interview with journalist Sarah Fields, who was a guest on our show yesterday. Not only that, but Carmelo Anthony, the defendant who's been found guilty of Austin's murder and sentenced to 35 years in prison, his parents are speaking out too. Playing the victims. It's unbelievable. The bullshit that is coming out of the Carmelo Anthony supporters team is rank. I honestly can't believe my eyes. They're acting like they're the victims.

53:02They're acting like Carmelo Anthony was stabbed by Austin Metcalfe, who got off. That's exactly how they're acting. That's not what Carmelo Anthony stabbed Austin Metcalfe, taking this 17-year-old's life in an instant over nothing. He went into Austin's track and field tent during a track meet. They told him to leave because he wasn't part of their school. Each school had their own tent, though Carmelo Anthony's school apparently didn't have a tent for some reason. But that's not why he was there. It did begin to rain, but he was there intentionally provoking people. He obviously went into that tent looking for a fight because he went armed with a knife that was not a little Swiss Army knife like Jasmine Crockett and her ridiculous crowd of woke warriors were suggesting in their Zoom call the other day.

53:56And he then dared Austin to lay hands on him to make him leave the tent. Austin did lay hands on him in a way that was not violent in any way, barely moved him at all. And as soon as he touched Carmelo Anthony, Anthony plunged that knife into Austin's heart, killing him. That's what happened. The jury saw autopsy photos that were so gruesome, they recoiled in horror. Their jaws dropped. That showed a two and a half inch gaping wound where his heart was. He stabbed him so severely and deeply, forgive me, but it went through the heart, testified the medical examiner and punctured the bone behind.

54:39Like he, this wasn't an accident. He didn't accidentally hit the heart instead of something else. He didn't nick him. He plunged that knife deep into Austin's heart and it is obvious meant to kill him. No, no one's that much of an idiot walking around that they wouldn't understand that would cause instant death. And now his family and their supporters are playing the victim and the race card as if there's some doubt in this. We know he did it. We know he did it. And can I tell you, It's not just like I'm going to show you the soundbite of some lunatic guy who's run for city council out there four times, never getting more than six percent of the vote.

55:27His name is Devante Peters. You're an idiot. It's also people like Jasmine Crockett, who, I mean, we all have strong feelings about her. I'm sorry that I keep saying she's representing Houston. She's representing the Dallas area. All my Houstonian fans are like, for the love of God, please stop doing that, MK. I apologize. I don't know why I have such a mental block on it. She's from Houston. That's why she was born there, or when she was young, she was there. In any event, she doesn't represent Houston, and she's not going to represent Dallas long either. She's been redistricted out of her seat.

56:01She ran for Senate. She failed, and so now she's trying to make it, I guess, as a social media commentator. I'm not sure what the fuck she's doing. Sorry, forgive me. She is just vile, but she's not a complete idiot. She went to law school. She went to a very Tony private school before law school, something much better and nice and more expensive and fancy than probably what you or I went to. For sure, what I went to. And then she decided to get all street. You know, we've walked you through it. The Benny Johnson tape is amazing. But she's not a dope. She was a practicing lawyer. So she's got some legal education, too.

56:38This woman is out there trying to pretend, like I said, that it was like a Swiss Army knife. If you've seen a Swiss Army knife, it doesn't have a real knife to it. It's almost like a nail clipper. That's not, we just put the knife on the board that Carmelo Anthony used. It's a dagger. It's a dagger. You could gut a fish or a human with this in seconds. And that's what Carmelo Anthony did for nothing. Here, I want to play, I'll guess, I'll kick it off with her, but I got to get to the parents. But since I'm on Jasmine Crockett, 25B, listen to her. If a 300-pound man is beating me, like on top of me and beating me down, I'm not limited to fist.

57:21You know, I would argue that even the only time we go into things like people's hands being considered deadly weapons is typically like if they're a professional boxer or that kind of stuff. But I think by the time you start getting to like football player. Good argument. Good freaking argument. We're not talking about like the golfers. We're talking about football players, right? Like this is what they are trained to do is to inflict like serious physical contact. And it's my understanding that the decedent was. They weren't 300 pounds. Austin wasn't 300 pounds. Devante was a large man. And it wasn't some shrinking violet.

58:03And he provoked the entire encounter. How dare she try to analogize this? Carmelo. Sorry, Devante. I'm going to get to him in a second. Carmelo. How dare she try to pretend that this is a situation in which a man was beating a woman, a huge football player was beating a woman who felt no choice was available but to defend herself with a knife? This is like utter nonsense, what she's saying. and she's intentionally stoking the fires, which don't need any more stoking, Jasmine. Leave the national stage. We're tired of your two minutes and your stupid street affect. You don't talk like that. Even here, she was playing it up.

58:43She doesn't talk like this. She's just leaning in because she thinks it's going to give her cred. It's going to give her some sort of cred with some faction who's out there listening. Okay, great. Good luck reinventing yourself. You have no career in front of you. Go back to practicing law, maybe. Seems like they need some lawyers down in your hometown. Here's this guy, Devante Peters, who I mentioned never received over six percent of the vote, but amazingly did get some percentage the four times he ran for city council in Dallas. This is vile. This guy, of course, has a holistic health store that he runs in his spare time because he's all about wellness and like bringing the mind body together.

59:26Sure, sure, Devante. Okay, I will read it for you as soon as I get it in front of me. This guy is sick. He's basically, it's almost too vile to repeat, but I will because I teed it up. he is calling for Austin Metcalf to be dug up and he wants him to be stabbed again. That's what this guy actually said. He left the courthouse and posted on social media, just left, and any white person can get it, I don't give a fuck. Then he goes on to say, fuck it. Dig Austin Metcalf up and stab his ass again. Where is your soul? What's wrong with him? Seriously, and it's not just him. Okay, the parents of Carmelo Anthony go on their own little media tour last night.

1:00:27Was there a message, we're so sorry for the Metcalf family? This is a tragedy all around because, of course, we're sad that we've lost our son too, but we know what he did was wrong. He's sorry. No, no, they had a very, very different message. Take a listen here. They sat down with Front Page News and Mimi Brown, SOT27. So do you believe your son received a fair trial? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. And we're going to keep fighting. Who will not stop fighting for justice for my son? And as parents, have you all struggled with guilt? You know, asking yourselves, is there anything differently?

1:01:06I know, Kayla, you said you wish you had gone to that track meet. Is there anything that you both wish you could have done differently? I wish I would have. Just being rebellious. I was told, don't talk to this person. Don't talk to this person. I feel like it was just a setup. Now, they told us, go get white attorneys. Every black person I went to, white attorneys. No white attorneys, they set them up, pushed them. Hey, here you go. I mean, no objections. It was things smooth. As a father, me being who I am, I got to make sure she's straight. This mom, I got to make sure she's straight mentally because if she's not straight, my house ain't straight.

1:01:41I'm not straight. The kids are the kids to worry about. OK, now. So what he's upset about is that he wasn't more rebellious when friends of his told him to get a white attorney. He's mad. He's mad. They didn't play the race card. That's what he's mad about. I said it yesterday. I stand by it. This guy's a race hustler. He's a race hustler. He would not have hired the Dominique Alexander character who's been pushing the race buttons from the beginning on this case if he weren't. And the mother, we are going to fight for justice for my son. What do you say? Justice was administered against your son as the perpetrator of this crime.

1:02:23Who do you think you're fooling? The outrage of this. They're turning the entire narrative on its head. you're the defendants. Austin is the victim, not the other way around. What the hell is this? This is, can you imagine, imagine for one second if a white teenager, if Austin Metcalf had plunged that knife for no reason into the heart of Carmelo Anthony and then was found guilty of murder appropriately. Imagine the backlash to white parents coming out there saying, I will fight for justice for my son. We were told that we should get black lawyers and I wish we'd been more rebellious. And then all these white people coming out and being like, that boy should be dug up and we should stick a knife in him again.

1:03:19What can you imagine the societal backlash to that messaging and the number of papers it would be in. We'd have deep examinations and how wrong we've gone as a society. What school did he go to? Who taught him this nonsense? Who are the family spokespeople? These are all white supremacists. That's what we'd be hearing. Nothing. Nothing is being said about this family. Oh, polite, you know, politely looking the other way. Let's just ignore, ignore, which is also soft bigotry of low expectations. Oh, they're too, like what? Low life. They're too stupid. We have to ignore their blatant racism. Bullshit.

1:03:59Bullshit. They should be held to the same standard as the rest of us. And what they're saying and doing is vile and disgusting and racist. This is so gross. This family's had enough to deal with the Metcalfs. They're the victims. They're the only victims. You're not victims. You raised a boy who has zero empathy and apparently is a sociopath. You have yourselves to blame for that. Yourselves, not society, not whites, not your friends who told you to get a white lawyer. They were so without character. They abandoned their son when the sentencing came down. They were like, guilty, we're out. They didn't stand there in the courtroom.

1:04:51They didn't return to the courtroom when the sentencing came down. The mother took the stand. She said, boo-hoo, please have mercy on my boy. And then they asked the one question, does he regret what he did? Yeah, he regrets. That's it, that's all she was able to come up with. Not even like a story about how he regrets, the number of tears he shed, what he's said about Austin and how bad he feels. Nothing, nothing. The perfunctory. Yeah, regrets. Check. And then she was out of there. He had to stand alone for the actual sentencing that came down. That's who they are as they've been pimping the race thing from the beginning.

1:05:27There's zero evidence that race played any role in this case, although if it did, it was on Carmelo Anthony's part. Nothing, nothing about Austin Metcalf and their supporters from the beginning have been trying to say that the Metcalfs and that Austin was a white supremacist. Nothing, nothing has come out suggesting that. By the way, even if he were, he wasn't, no evidence. But even if he were, it would be irrelevant. He didn't do anything to Carmelo Anthony. He literally placed hands on him. That was it at Carmelo Anthony's insistence that he do it if he wanted Anthony to leave. And no sooner had he done it than a knife was in his heart and his life was over at age 17.

1:06:04These are the race hustlers. I'm sick of this bullshit. I'm sorry. There was a time where I was feeling kind of bad for them. They blew it. Not only that, but they took their$600 ,000 that they got in the GoFundMe or GiveSendGo. They rented this mansion. They've been living the high life, driving around in the nice car. And now you're mad? Now you're mad at the justice you received? You're mad at the legal services you received? You hired a shitty lawyer. He wasn't good, I admit. White, black could have been either way. You decided to go with a white guy. He wasn't bad because he's white. He was bad because he's bad.

1:06:36You could be a great lawyer as a black man. You could be a great lawyer as a white man and vice versa. Look at Johnny Cochran, one of the best ever. But this is outrageous. Like this behavior is. It's beyond disrespectful. I kind of can't get my arms around like the gaslighting that these people are doing. And then there's poor Jeff Metcalf, the sweet father who has to deal with the loss of his boy for the rest of his life, who looks at his boy's twin, Hunter. And can you imagine what that's like? The living image of your dead child walking around your house, but it's not him. It's so close to him, but it's not him.

1:07:24I wonder if it's a comfort or a curse. Oh, and poor Hunter. His brother, he was with in utero. and every moment thereafter, and he will never share his wedding, the birth of his children, his professional accomplishments, his graduation from college, even from high school with him. It's just devastating. So Jeff Metcalf sat down with Sarah, who was on the program yesterday, Sarah Fields, who's been very, very, very good covering this case from the beginning. And here's some of what he said. Stop 21. That very first night, our church held an impromptu vigil. Our church holds 1 ,500 people at Hope Fellowship.

1:08:20It was overflowing. There was over 1 ,700 people that showed up that night. Very touching. an outpouring from the community, friends, family, even people who didn't know us, showed up in support. And I spoke that night about who Austin was.

1:08:46He was a leader, owned and off the field. He touched people's hearts in ways others couldn't. He was loved by so many and so many loved him. OK. I just want to give you the juxtaposition. That's Jeff Metcalf, father of the victim. Here's Carmelo Anthony's grandmother outside the church. Sorry, outside the courthouse as she left two days ago. Sat 24.

1:10:19Get it. Getting the message. She made it quite clear. And I'm sure it was comments like that over and over, not to mention the nasty jabs that these supporters have had for the Metcalf family, like let's dig up Austin and stab him again. And by the way, there's also a push now, a change.org petition to charge Hunter with assault, saying it's really important for accountability from these same cretins. Hunter did nothing. Hunter held his dying brother in his arms. That's what Hunter did. He was there when he came into this world and he was there when he went out. That's what Hunter's been through.

1:11:00They want to charge him. So I'm sure Jeff Metcalf has had about enough from the Anthony family and their supporters, which leads me to SOT 22. Back to Jeff. So you can live with your lie if you want to. But my truth is forever. just like the fact your son is a convict and a killer forever

1:11:32forever is a long time what's your master plan mr anthony to use your son as income and soak up as much money playing victim to line your pockets and then abandon him when he's at sentencing or victim impact? You just left him up there by himself? Amazing. Amazing. This poor man. He's been given a life sentence too. There's nothing, nothing that can be said or done. A life sentence without parole, a death sentence for Carmelo Anthony would not heal this guy's pain. We all know that. Nothing can be undone for him. All we can do is express our deep, deep sympathy and try to help him. I want to introduce him to my friends, Allison and Tom Barkledge.

1:12:31You guys may remember their son, Blake, died in October of 2021. during COVID. He had taken two doses of the vaccine. We still don't know exactly what caused it, but he died of myocarditis at age 17. And they have become an example to me and to the world in how to handle grief. They've been so wonderful. They found a way to hold each other through it, to hold their friends through it, to find where they could moments of laughter and connection, to remember Blake at every turn. I try to mention him, Blake Barklage, at every turn because that comforts them. Just hearing his name and knowing that people are thinking about him in some way, at some level, comforts them.

1:13:15Tom works at Johnson & Johnson. He worked tirelessly to change the bereavement policy there, which they did. It used to be you only get a couple of days. You lose a son. You lose a child. You can't go back to work after two days. you know and Johnson Johnson did it they were great and now they're working actually with Congress to pass a bill that would allow bereavement leave that's extended for parents who lose a child my point is simply they I know it's a trite saying but they did turn their pain into purpose and they have a blueprint of sorts on how a grieving set of parents can get through the worst possible thing they also lost their son at age 17 and they're okay like they're they'll never be whole again.

1:14:02But they're okay. They're doing all right. Their daughter, Alexis, as well, is thriving. So I just, I have such prayers for the Metcalf family and the Carmelo Anthony family. I just, I'm so disappointed in them. I'm horrified by their behavior. I'm going to give you a few more from them. They went on with this Breakfast Club interviewer and hears them taking issue with the narrative of austin dying in his twin brother's arms because that's that seems like something we should be debating right listen the other family they go paint this lie there's nobody's death exposed that he died in his brother arms and it was all that's not true because that is a narrative no no you never heard it no more that That was a lie.

1:14:51You heard about a bag. You never heard about a bag since trial. I guess I was telling people a lie is temporary, but the truth lasts forever. It's just now it's like harder now. I got to fight to get the truth out. Okay. There was testimony that Austin did hold Hunter. Sorry, reverse that. Hunter held Austin screaming, I can't do this. But I guess that's uncomfortable. I don't know. We need to reject that. It's important to go revise the pain that the twin brother was in. Is it better if he didn't? I mean, great. Okay, let's say he wasn't holding him. Is it better? Is what Carmelo did less bad?

1:15:28Because I'm not feeling that. You're not like in any way lowering my sympathy for the Metcalf family or for his twin brother, Hunter. What are you doing? What are you doing, Mimi? The anchor doing this? Why don't you ask a question like, would it matter? Are you disputing that Hunter was in incredible pain? What's your message to Hunter? Do you want to apologize to him right here and now? Where's that question?

1:16:05Here's the parents on why Carmelo didn't take the stand. And did Carmelo want to testify on his own behalf? It was based on everything. It didn't need nothing because everything they said on their self-defense, they have to prove it. They never proved it. Okay. So that was never, that was, because I know there was this pause and a lot of people thought that, you know, we were going to come back and he was going to take the stand and he didn't. So that was never an option that had never been discussed of him taking the stand. That's why we just need a new, we need somebody who's going to fight.

1:16:44That's what I'm going to say right now. We just need somebody going to fight. Okay. So he's saying that the prosecution didn't make its case. And that's why he, that's a lie. That's a lie. A first year law student knew that the prosecution had made its case. And by the way, then the judge said explicitly they've made a case because you move for a directed verdict, arguing that they hadn't made their case. And the judge said, no, they've put up enough that, you know, it should go to the jury. And you had the opportunity right then and there to say, do we, the reason they didn't put him on the stand is because I guarantee you, he was not a sympathetic witness.

1:17:20He would not have made a good witness very clearly. Look what the mother was able to muster. Yeah, regret, check, bye. What do you think? You think Carmelo would have been way better. And so instead they let her be the face of it. No, if Carmelo could have mustered one tear for anyone other than himself. When did he cry? When he was found guilty. Oh, that's the first we saw any emotion out of him. He wouldn't look the Metcalf family in the eye. He wasn't man enough. That's why he pulled a knife and stabbed Austin Metcalf because only someone who had to prove how tough he was would ever even consider such a thing as an option.

1:18:00he's such a small pathetic little man that's the truth about Carmelo Anthony that's why he did what he did he appears to have been raised by a couple of race hustlers and therefore he looked for insult at every turn and almost certainly understood the please leave our tent directive as some sort of racist looking down upon you message as opposed to you're on an opposing team For today's purposes, we're in battle. That's how every athlete looks at these things. What are you saying? Even in tennis, my kids are in tennis, which is, you know, it's not like hand-to-hand combat the way football or some of these other sports are.

1:18:43You don't really fraternize with the opponent during the breaks. After, yes, totally. But like during, while it's going on, you're, quote, enemies. not the kind that Carmelo Anthony thought they were, where you actually kill the other person, but enemies in that don't hang in my tent. For the next four hours, our only mission is to beat you, not to befriend you, not to hang out with you, and not to mention you talk strategy when you're on the sidelines with the team, and you definitely don't want a competitor in the penthouse with you. Why didn't Carmelo Anthony know any of that? Like any athlete or someone like me who's not an athlete know that.

1:19:24Like, like we would all know that because he'd been raised by two grievancy race hustlers. Why else would they hire Dominique Alexander as the spokesperson? And why else would they be arguing the way they are with the grandmother? Racist, racist, biased. That's you created this situation. You created what happened to your son and what happened to Austin Metcalf. Shame on you. All I want to hear from you is you're sorry. You're sorry. We're going to take a break. We're going to come back with Mike Solana, and we're going to discuss this and some other news. Don't go away. For 250 years, Americans have believed in a powerful idea that we were meant to live free, free to work hard, free to move, free to enjoy life without being held back.

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1:21:41Ain't going to do shit. I'm talking to you. You ain't going to do shit. But kill up on your own. I don't know. What does that mean? You kill one of ours, we kill. One of ours was killed. What is that? The narrative is being completely turned on its head. a white man was killed by a black man here that doesn't make it the fault of all black people it certainly doesn't make it the fault of all white people what is this welcome back to the megan kelly show uh we're going to bring in mike solana he's the founder of media company pirate wires as well as the chief marketing officer of the venture capital firm founders fund and we have found him to have a lot of wisdom on a lot of subjects mike welcome back great to see you great seeing you thanks for having me this is kind of crazy Oh, man, it's right.

1:22:38This is kind of crazy. It's so nuts. I was obviously I was listening to your segment. I think maybe one of the most striking things about this to me is we're actually we're not even inside of a one of these crazy moments of racial tension. Like this is this is actually we're not in the middle of BLM. You know, we're not this is this is I mean, so much about this reaction reminds me of the OJ stuff. We have these famous pictures of of mixed race college dorms. There's this one in particular where you see all of the white people watching this clearly guilty person get off in horror and all of the black people cheering.

1:23:15There was a lot going on in the country at that time. I don't it's totally inexcusable and important, honestly, horrifying to watch. But like it was still like you could almost understand that things were really tense at that time. And this is the reaction or something. This is not even that. And it's just the whole thing is a reminder to me that there is this really frightening racial hatred sort of bubbling under the surface even now. And I'm just going to say it. I think the thing that a lot of people are dancing around is like, I think there's a racism problem among black Americans in particular.

1:23:46It seems disproportionate. Some of them. It seems disproportionate. Right. Of course, not all. I'm saying by the numbers. You see polling. There's polling data on this where you talk about, you know, how do you feel about this or that race? And black Americans have disproportionately higher degrees of racism against other groups, and especially white people. And I think we want to not talk about that, but it does come up in moments like this. This whole thing feels super racially charged. You can't look at the reaction to this and think anything other than like this, obviously, hopefully, minority of black people, but sizable minority of black people, believe that a white person being killed doesn't matter.

1:24:23It just doesn't matter. It's so crazy to me. I mean, honestly, like we have dear black friends. They're Christian. They're God-fearing. They would look at this case exactly as you and I do. They're not represented by these lunatics, but there's a fair amount of these lunatics running around in Texas, obviously, and online. We've seen so many postings. Look at the harassment that the Carmelo Anthony supporters unleashed on the Metcalf family as they left the courthouse. you're going to hear these, this yelling, everybody. By the way, that first thought we just played from that man was from End Wokeness Online.

1:25:02This one's from TikTok chief Mollo, who captured this moment here and sought 26. They're yelling at Austin's family here.

1:25:17I want you guys to know that I am six foot even. My phone is at my head. And the guy in the back is his brother. Carmelo Anthony was five feet nine, five feet eight, something like that. So you had two of those people standing over him. That's unbelievable. You knew he was a bully. They're yelling, we're glad Austin's dead. That's what she said right at the beginning. And for the listening audience, they get right in front of their car. They follow them, including Hunter, to the car and get right in front of physical intimidation again, like here too. You know that someone was murdered. You know that it was a kid who was murdered.

1:26:06To justify that, you have to dehumanize them in some way. And that's what I think a lot of people are doing here. I do say – so the internet kind of gives and it takes. I think a lot of this was probably amplified via disinformation among a lot of these kind of race hustling people. They've activated a lot of people who now believe kind of inaccurate things about the case. And they really do think, for example, Austin was a white supremacist and he attacked Carmelo and all of this kind of stuff. On the other side of that, I will say, you know, I was just saying, I think we have quite a bit of a race problem on our hands.

1:26:37It's kind of always bubbling under the surface. I did see last night, I was kind of doom scrolling on this. And for whatever reason, the algorithm, maybe it knew I was in a bad place. And they started sending me lots of black influencers who were like, this is crazy. And you people are crazy. And you are making this, you know, really bad. And so there was a good amount of that as well. I just though, I just keep coming back to it. I'm the next time we, and it is inevitable. I mean, you look at what's happening in Europe. We have a long history of this in this country. There's going to be a moment where racial tension flares again.

1:27:13And this kind of thing will be much worse. It'll be much more pervasive. You know, if this had happened in the BLM era, it would be, you know, Carmelo might have gotten off. Like, that's the thing. I have a question for you about the juries, though. How do you, when you get people like this, if you get someone like this on the jury, like, how could this have played out? And then how do you maintain any kind of fair legal system in a world where people feel this way? No, you got I mean, the number one thing you got to figure out as a prosecutor is how is there a respect for authority by this potential juror?

1:27:46And there are questions that can get to whether they respect authority slash the law slash police officers, you know, and and any of those can be a stand in for. Could you believe the prosecution's case? Because if you're totally anti-authority, you're not going to vote to convict. you're going to sound like these people where you're, you're motivated by something else like ideology or skin color. We saw a little bit of this in, cause I've seen jurors from the OJ case kind of sort of admit that they knew this guy killed this woman to two people, two people, and they didn't care. I just, if I am worried about, yes, I think this reaction is a minority reaction.

1:28:28I think it's a large minority. I am, I'm worried if it grows, like I kind of, especially in a world of like mass migration, if people start identifying tribalistically rather than, you know, identifying with classic American principles like fairness in a trial. I don't know how we maintain this. I don't know how we maintain fair trials in the future. That's the thing that really worries me about this case is like I see the future through it. And it comes on the heels of us watching Henry Novak be stabbed multiple times by a brown man who's Sikh, who claimed he was the victim, which was a lie, and a police force automatically trust the brown guy with the knives instead of the white guy dying at their feet.

1:29:12And now we have this beheading, which is also, you know, you've got a black man from Sudan as an immigrant trying to behead a disabled white guy from Northern Ireland. And the immediate reaction from all the politicians is stop showing the video and stop talking about it. Stop, stop, just stop so it's just there's been a series of events where i think people are like what we're being gaslit yeah and it and we're also seeing a true like again it feels like uh it feels time for candace owens and um what who is it uh what's his name the one who was married to kim kardashian why am i not oh kanye kanye thank you yes Kanye and Candace Owens to bust out their White Lives Matter t-shirts again or sweatshirts.

1:30:04Thank God, though, it's not quite as bad as Europe. Europe really feels like it's just this bizarre world version of America where things are just slightly worse. It's like the vibe shift went in the opposite direction. And I think, I mean, when I see what's happening in England and what's happening in Ireland with this sort of policing, I guess here it was always implicitly different. It's like there is a two-tier justice, but it's not actually official. It's not actually systemic. Over there, it seems much more systemic. And certainly the speech laws are much worse. And maybe they're just this constant warning.

1:30:36It's like that is, it can get worse. It can be as bad as what we're looking at over there if we're not careful. Good point. Yes, it's a very good point. Oh, wait, stand by one second. My team's telling me that, oh, Carmelo's parents went on CBS this morning. And that's apparently what happened. Do we have a soundbite that we're playing? Okay, I guess we'll just play it. We'll watch it together. I don't know what's in it, Mike, but we'll find out together. Take us inside that courtroom. What stuck out to you? What stuck out to me, number one, was the all-white jury. But I was trying to be, you know, like, all right, it's not that big of a deal.

1:31:15I mean, the truth is on our side. What did you tell the jury? To have mercy on my son. What do you say to his grieving family? It's unfortunate to where nobody wins. We've all been hurt by this. Everybody. Oh my God. Outrageous. It's unfortunate and we've all been hurt by this. It's like, it's like absolutely outrageous. It's sociopathic behavior. They don't see this person as a person is the thing. They do not. They see him. They see the boy who was murdered by their son as an obstacle to what they want rather than a victim. It is. Yeah, it's really outrageous. and the lie that it was an all-white jury there were no blacks on the jury but it was not an all-white jury there were hispanics there were asians there were multiple minorities this is texas there are a lot of minorities in texas and the jury reflected that um that's also a lie there there were plenty of minorities on that jury shame on him unbelievable the the lies all right speaking of lies they're telling us spencer pratt lost fair and square oh man i mean i have so much more to say about this.

1:32:23I know it's sad. Like the other one is obviously this tragic issue, but I mean, I could go off on LA for, for days. So where do you want to start? No, I do. I do want to hear it, but first I want to start with this. Um, this is, um, video was posted on the X account, wall street apes, uh, who showed a skid row woman claiming she was paid to vote for Karen Bass by a bunch of activists. Stop 32. Do you vote? Yeah. Oh, you did for Karen Bass? Yeah. Karen Bass. Is that her last name, Bass? Karen Bass? Or Nithya Raman? Karen. Karen? They told you to vote for Karen? Yeah. They had to sign the thing.

1:33:06And how much they pay you? Just like$2. $2? They had to sign off on a thing to vote for her? Yeah. So they do this for everybody out here? Yeah, they come out here all the time. Okay. So... It's starting to explain where the magical votes were found in the mail-in vote, Mike. I mean, I have—this is—I don't think that a democracy is healthier if you happen to have a really, really high turnout among meth-addicted hobos who live under the bridge. Like, this ground floor, I don't think that makes for a better system. I do also, I would love to be comparing, though, the turnout of meth-addictive hobos who live under the bridge in L.A.

1:33:49versus other cities, because it seems, from what I'm looking at by the numbers, like very, very, very high. You have hundreds of ballots coming in. They're motivated. Going into homeless shelters with no beds, all turning up. The Post was reporting something like 7 ,500 associated homeless ballots being turned in. I don't – or to these sort of centers, right? That's how you kind of get at the question of are these people homeless? If their address is a homeless shelter, then probably they're homeless or that is what we're thinking here. This is just all obviously a recipe for fraud. I mean I don't – I live in San Francisco.

1:34:30There are lots of drug-addicted homeless people here. if you've ever had a conversation with one. These are not people who are like, oh, I better turn in my mail-in ballot. It's election season. I really find Nithya Rahman's housing policy compelling. Can't wait to vote. Like that's just not fucking happening. And the fact that we're expected to believe it's happening is absolutely maddening. And so now what you have in the New York Times, just this morning, you had this thing on like, what did we learn from the Pratt loss or whatever? And it opens up with this really frustrating thing that I've seen.

1:35:01Matt Iglesias began it on the center left. This is their position. Their position is, man, all of these dumb Pratt voters on Twitter really truly believed that Pratt was going to win as a Republican in like a 90 % Democrat city. And they're just going off about this sort of lie that people were delusional and believe Spencer was going to win outright. And they're doing this to make a cartoon character out of his supporters to obfuscate the real issues, which are like, mail-in ballots are out of control, registering homeless people to vote, and then ballot harvesting drug-addicted homeless people to push someone like Nithya over the edge is outrageous.

1:35:40I mean, 7 ,500 is just the number that we know. She only won by like 30 ,000 votes, I think she's up at this point. That's the one piece of reporting that we have on this. We have no idea what is going on in that city, other than it seems like more people voted in this election than the last, and there are less people in L.A. than the last election. There's just nothing but smoke here. And we're not going to talk about it because this is America. And in America, when a far left person wins, we just pretend everything is fine. And it's extremely frustrating. Yes, exactly right. I mean, this is giving me the vibes of what happened between Kristen Welker and Trump, where he was like, it stinks, you know, it's crooked.

1:36:18And she just got, that's how they count the votes in California. there's zero interest in the so-called mainstream media to actually investigate whether this actually does smell and might be fraudulent. I mean, it's like someone said online, you know, we don't know that it's fraudulent. I, you know, I haven't seen, I have myself have not seen hard evidence of fraud. It seems like a lot of crazy things are just the law in California and in, and in Los Angeles. Uh, and so what we certainly know is that it's, it's rigged. Like I think the word rigged makes a little more sense. Like it is stacked against anyone who is not in bed with the hard left in Los Angeles.

1:36:58I mean, but I do think it's, I use the word cheating the other day because I, and I think that's, that's different from fraud too, but I do think it's cheating. If the law is set up to say you can mark your ballot with an X or a slash, they are thinking about an elderly person who suffered a stroke. That's what they, they are not thinking about skid row junkies who get corralled by Democrat groups who then are the witnesses who can sign to say, I attest that, you know, skid rose Mike Solana was truly the one who marked that X, right? Like that's bullshit. I didn't know ballot harvesting was a real thing until this election.

1:37:36I genuinely believed it was a right wing conspiracy. I thought it was like a thing that Fox news talking heads talked about just to like, you know, throw smoke out there. I, thought that this was a real thing that existed in los angeles and that is now i mean we are seconds away from it being defended as like sacrosanct like there there isn't if we got rid of ballot harvesting if we couldn't have a democratic operative rounding up 7 500 drug addicted homeless people to vote for nithya raman we would not have democracy it would have died in darkness at that point and it's just like i don't know if i'm at the point now it's like if that's if that is what we're talking about with democracy like i am well i i'm not in favor of that system whatever that system is i know that's not what i want you're still right though we are a couple minutes away from that because it's it's always like no it's not happening and then it's like oh it's happening but it's old but it's old news you don't want you don't want and then and then it's it's it's old news and it's good for you don't think methodics have a have a right to democracy megan that hobo living under the bridge you don't think that you don't you don't want to hear what they have to say about, you know, giving more homeless people under the bridge money.

1:38:41Why not? You must be, you're such a terrible person, Megan. Like, of course, that's what's going to happen. Elitist, ableist snob. Yes. Yes. Okay, great. You don't think they can't control it, Megan. They have a disease. You have to listen to what they think about police brutality. Like maybe, but also here's a practical question. If they're living under a bridge, like what is their address? I know people in Los Angeles who are in Los Angeles, but they're just a little too far south or a little too far north, they could not vote in this election. Where does this person live? I don't understand that piece of the puzzle.

1:39:15There are practical questions. There are moral questions. We're not going to get answers to any of those questions, though. Yeah, and I read one report that said, even if you're going to go with, okay, every single homeless person at this shelter went through this ruse of the slashy mark witnessed by some Democrat operative. who then clearly filled in the name Nithya Raman. If we were going to go with that, that's how it was done. And technically it's within the letter of the law. I read a report. I can't remember the paper, but it was a credible paper. It was either the Times or the Journal. I'm trying to remember.

1:39:50Anyway, they reported that the numbers were too big for the homeless shelter. Like they didn't have this number of homeless at these particular shelters. So there's reason to believe even the fraud, cheating, whatever, as set up is being exploited. And of course we know that someone. Wait, stand by, stand by. I'm going to hold you over because we have more to do, but I got to squeeze in and out. Don't go away. For the first time since World War II, our national debt has exceeded the gross domestic product. America's reckless government spending keeps catching up with us. Higher inflation, higher prices, higher cost of living expenses, and higher interest payments on the national debt.

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1:42:05It happened over and over and over again. We personally witnessed and covertly filmed this happening at least 28 times over the span of our investigation, and that is just in Los Angeles. Many of the homeless have zero understanding of what it is that they're actually signing. Amazing. That's James O 'Keefe, the intrepid getting firsthand evidence of what happens in California in order to make those votes magically go Democrat. Welcome back to the MK show. Mike Solana is back with me. He's the editor of the must read fearless publication, pirate wires go and subscribe now. Mike, that's the thing is like the dismissiveness of the Kirsten Welkers of the world and all of the media.

1:42:53And so now we're stuck with the results. How is she not even talking? Go ahead. Sorry. No, I was just going to say, he's not going to move on. There's nothing we can do about it. There's not going to be a court challenge in time that's going to change any of this. And it leads to disillusionment. It leads to, you know, people feeling disaffected. Yeah, not to this. He's done. Pratt's, I was really to Pratt. for what it's worth. The moment, so the fires happened, Pratt came out of the gate. I was like, but before he was even running, I said, this man's a journalist. This is, a star is born. I followed his career before the fires.

1:43:28I thought he was a smart guy before all that. I followed him during the Hummingbird Crystal Saga, and I followed him during the fire aftermath. He is talented. I think that he kind of rose to the occasion and he'll probably run, I think he's going to run again, and that will be a different campaign, perhaps, if we can get the election stuff under control in the state of California. You know, the world of mail-in ballots is so new. That's the thing that we also aren't thinking about, like this mass mail-in ballot moment. New and awful. It's just, it took them, and I think it took the activists a minute to learn how to game the system.

1:44:03And we are now in the gaming the system moment. And if we don't do something about it, it's just going to get a lot worse. There are a lot of really important ballot props coming up in California during this next general election. This kind of stuff, this kind of behavior could be really bad. It's important. That clip that you showed is really important. I think that I'm pretty sure that woman is being – I think she is. Is she not being – she's being investigated by the federal government. Like that's not going to just – it's not like nothing is going to come of that at least. I think that law will be followed.

1:44:33Yeah. I'm concerned about all of the stuff that's technically legal that should not be legal. And these really crazy negative outliers that we're seeing for the first time, because it's just the system is new. It's new and it's awful. On the subject of Spencer Pratt. All right. So he's like he hasn't conceded exactly. I guess technically we have till July that these votes are going to be counted. It's kind of crazy. But we know he lost. And however he lost, he lost. A lot of L.A. residents were excited by Spencer Pratt. A lot of the people in the Palisades were very excited to see somebody who felt their pain caused by Karen Bass and her lieutenants.

1:45:15They didn't light the fires, but they might as well have. They were excited by him. Does Jimmy Kimmel, who's a California resident, tap into that at all or at least stay away from it just out of respect? I'll do that sometimes. Sometimes I'll be very fired up on an issue. and just like out of respect for people, I just won't go there because it's like, I don't, whatever. I don't always feel the need to rub people's noses in a political loss or what have you. Well, let's check in. Stop 39. So now we wait to hear from Spencer Pratt. You know, he clearly promised that if Karen Bass or Nithya Rahman were elected mayor, he's going to move out of LA.

1:45:51He said he was done with LA and Spencer, if you're watching, we are so, so sorry to see you go. But we do know we're going to miss the hell out of you. You're a man of your word and you've got to go. You said you were going to go. And I know things might be tight right now, especially out-of-state donation money is running out. Moving is expensive. So to help you out, we rented you a U-Haul. This has plenty of room. It's got two beds, tables, chairs, all your crystals. and everyone our staff spent the whole day decorating for you so and everybody that will notice you and wave goodbye as you leave and i hope that you and heidi are happy wherever it is you go honestly like like what did he do that's so abhorrent he really wasn't even incendiary the way trump is i mean he was honest he was straight straight talker but i just i genuinely don't think that's warranted he was succeeding that's what he did that was so so abhorrent anyone who is successful at getting a message out that is contrary to the state message is going to be punished by the state sock puppet, sock puppets, such as Jimmy Kimmel.

1:47:02That's his whole job is to get up there and terrify people into holding the party line. And it's just like the Democratic party line has become increasingly untethered to reality. And so it looks like extra shocking to see someone up there making fun of someone who lost literally everything that he owned and that his mother owned in a fire, like, yeah, that seems shocking to us because we're still, you know, relatively based in reality. And he's just not. He's not and he can't. His job is to defend the crazy things. And meanwhile, like Jimmy Kimmel is sitting fat and pretty in some, I'm sure, Brentwood or Beverly Hills or Bel Air mansion, undoubtedly with coastline views and multiple other homes.

1:47:48And it's like, who are you? You're going to mock the fact that money's tight now that the donations are drying up and he has no home to go home to? Like, that's sick. Like, again, like the lack of any sort of consideration for somebody who probably is hurting right now and who really just wanted to help people. Like, he didn't have to throw his hat into the political ring. Right. I saw some people, I mean, a lot of another popular thing that I'm seeing on the center left is this idea that, well, Republicans need to learn from this. They're running these crazy social media people who don't know anything for mayor.

1:48:22There was nobody else running for mayor in Los Angeles. Spencer had the nomination or not the nomination. There was no nomination. Spencer was running and succeeding as the Republican because there were no other people stepping up. And that's a problem that we have across the country. Wait, can I just say something? If that's how they feel, why do I have to look at Jack Schlossberg for two minutes? He's done nothing. Nothing. That's Caroline Kennedy's son. That's all he's done. He went to Harvard. He went to Yale. And literally all he accomplished after that was like a couple week stint for I think it was Vanity Fair writing about the Democratic National Convention.

1:49:01That's it. He did another two weeks for John Kerry at the State Department, which was obviously disastrous because it did not lead to a full time job. And now he's running for office in New York. If you really feel that like social media game isn't enough, why did Nancy Pelosi endorse that loser? Well, right. I mean, the other funny thing about it is we don't have to even go outside of LA. The other people in Spencer's race didn't have much experience. What was Karen Bass's experience? She was a community organizer before she got into politics and then she burned the city down. Is that okay? I mean, she's experienced.

1:49:33I'll give you that at something. It was just doing something terrible. Like she was experienced at massive damage, the worst fire in the history of the city. And Nithya Rahman moved there in what, 2015? I think she married some rich Hollywood guy and she's on city council. That's okay. Like that's a nothing position that has nothing to do with actually being the executive of a city. She doesn't have the experience either. None of these people do. The experience thing is only thrown at people who you don't agree with, with what they're saying. What was Spencer doing? He was getting up there and saying that this woman in charge who represents the machine Democrats is the reason all of our houses burned down and we can't rebuild them.

1:50:10One. Number two, these are the people who are responsible for the homeless drug addicts in front of the school where you were trying to take your kids. This is wrong. Those are the things that they don't want people to face because they're real things that really resonate with voters. And to face them is to face in a one-party state the failure of the Democrats. They can't do that. They'll do anything to not face that. Jack Schlossberg wrote for Vogue, even worse, for a couple of months. And that's it. That's all he's accomplished. And for that, you get endorsed by Nancy Pelosi because you're the son of a Kennedy, and that's enough for them.

1:50:49I do want to round back to something we said during our Carmelo Anthony discussion. Again, they were gaslighting us. I knew there was testimony that Hunter held his dying twin brother, Austin, in his arms as Austin was dying. And I got that from their father, who testified to it during the penalty phase of the trial. He got up there and said that that was the case. And there was another witness. There was a witness named Joshua Redman. This is during the course of the actual trial, who's an Army veteran and current defensive coordinator at Liberty High School. who testified that he had to physically move Hunter off of Austin, whom he was holding, so that he could treat Austin's wound.

1:51:37And he described Hunter as having been freaking out when it was happening. Of course, how dare they get up there? I mean, like, what is the point? And how dare that so-called journalist, I don't know what she considers herself, fail in not following up on that matter and actually just pinning them down? A, it is true, there was testimony to the fact, and B, who cares? What point are you trying to make? Okay, back to this other news that we're discussing. I want to ask you about this. I find this very interesting. I'm very worried about AI. I'm worried about AI for sure. And I went on Sean Ryan two weeks ago, and I said to him, if we're doing this, if we're really going like balls to the walls with all this AI and the hundreds of billions of dollars that are being invested in all these tech companies now to develop it and develop it fast and before China.

1:52:28The American public should have a piece of it. They should have a piece of it. Their kids are not going to have jobs. A lot of the adults are going to have their livelihoods wiped out. Why shouldn't they participate as opposed to just making Sam Altman a trillionaire and all the others like him? And I've been thinking about this for a while. I'm not a socialist, but like when it comes to this particular thing is going to wipe out some huge share of jobs in America. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I am in favor of doing something. Enter Bernie Sanders. I like starting to believe in a lot of what Bernie Sanders, am I?

1:53:01I don't, I just, this one thing actually, but listen to what he's saying. Stop 38. The foundation of AI is our collective human intelligence, our books, songs, artwork, journalism, computer code, scientific research, videos, conversations, images, and ideas spanning generations. As Sam Altman himself acknowledged, AI models were trained on our collective experience, knowledge, and learnings of humanity. The reality is that big tech oligarchs have fed this knowledge into their AI models without permission, acknowledgement, or compensation. In other words, the creative work of millions and hundreds of millions of people has been stolen by the wealthiest people in the world.

1:53:58The time has come to reclaim what was stolen from us. What do you make of it? I hate to disagree with you. Love to be on the same side. No, go for it. I know. No, I love. I think Bernie is a genuinely evil person. I think this is the face of communism. I think it's really dangerous. I want to lay out, though, first of all, where I see y 'all coming from. If what has been said about AI is accurate, and we're looking at the obliteration of all human jobs, and then it's like a giant question mark about how that's supposed to work out for us, of course people are going to be upset. And of course that's a problem.

1:54:38That completely resonates with me. I think the messaging around AI is really bad. I think the reason it's bad is complex, but maybe just the big two reasons are one, genuinely no one knows what's going to happen anytime there's an authentic paradigm shift, technological paradigm shift happening. It's just like really confusing to be able to predict what it means to have artificial intelligence in the world. But then two, I think the big monolabs are incentivized to be like, this is the most powerful thing in the world. I think it's really good or really powerful. I think a lot of things are going to change.

1:55:09I think it's not yet clear what that looks like. I think a lot has been made of the job loss in tech that's not actually accurate. I see a lot of evidence that those numbers are kind of hyperinflated. I think when it comes to, you know, like, let's say this is as powerful, it's like more decisive, more important than the development of the atom bomb or something, which is another thing that these people, a lot of the people working on this stuff have said. But I maybe would understand the idea of like, OK, well, let's get the government involved somehow. Let's get the public involved somehow. At that point, what I would want is for the government to purchase the stake, not just seize it.

1:55:48Like, this is Joseph Stalin going after a miracle invention that has been invented. My husband's got a book out on this right now. Honestly, I wasn't even thinking of it. But my husband just wrote a book called The Lost Empire of Emmanuel Nobel, who is the guy who created the Russian oil fortune, which was his his family's company until a man named Joseph Stalin came along and decided that needed to end and it needed to belong to the federal government. My idea on Sean Ryan was we should use it to pay down the national debt, whatever huge portion of it we're going to take. It wouldn't be like a check to people at home.

1:56:23It would be something to pay down that 30 trillion plus. Well, so of course, this is the reason that it's being used by people like Bernie Sanders at this point. It's like, this is the same reason we're talking about a wealth tax in California. It's always, how do we demonize these random nerds with a lot of money in any way that we can that's going to take blame off of the government for fucking us in a million different ways? We start with the national debt. We could talk about the cost of housing. It's like, why isn't Bernie Sanders talking about mass migration? We know that it's like, why does the law of supply and demand always matter in any other case other than millions of people moving to a country that can't build housing.

1:56:58When are we going to address that? It's like, we're not going to do that. They need a scapegoat to talk about. Now, that's unfortunate. I think that the model labs themselves are talking about, how do we get the public involved? I think they've talked about, I think they might even want nationalization themselves. I think all of these things are potentially in the future, but in a world where it's like a question mark and we don't yet know how everything is going to shape out with the technology itself. There is no way, there's no reason at all to have language so incredible as like, you stole this from us and we are going to hurt you now because of it.

1:57:33We're going to take it. Nothing has justified that. And what I want is to just ask Bernie Sanders, what has he done? How has he made the world better? When you take the money, let's just say that you take it. Let's get communism. Fine. Here's all the money. What are you going to do to help me? Because I've had tax increases my entire life. Everyone in my family has. I come from a super middle class to even lower middle class, I would say, when I was very, very young family. No one in my family has ever been benefited from a tax increase. We've never gotten any of the good shit. It's like only the tax increases.

1:58:06I've never seen anything. Anytime they want to raise money to help us, it's like it's never actually helped. So how is this theft going to help? That's the wealth tax in California, the same exact question. It's like, how is this actually going to fix anything for the average person? And I think that their answer is like, it's not. And the real reason Bernie Sanders is going after these companies and the real reason the people in California or the unions in California are going after billionaires is because they see tech people as a counterpoint to machine left power. It is completely a game of power.

1:58:42They see a threat to their power. Elon Musk bought Twitter and people lost their minds. They said, holy shit, if you have enough money in this country, the machine can't have a monopoly anymore. Now, it is worth being like, well, who are these tech elite and what do they believe? And are they going to make the world better? Maybe not. But the Democrats, I don't think, like Bernie, are even looking at it that way. The way they're looking at it is just like, this is a threat to my power. They don't care about you. They don't care about your children. They care about power. And so you might be aligned on the question of like, AI makes me nervous.

1:59:14And I think you would be right to be. It's a new thing. We should all be nervous a little bit. I think there's reason to be hopeful as well. I mean, there are all potential, you know, manner of opportunities. Curing pancreatic cancer. In drug discovery and medicine. How can you not get in a self-driving car in San Francisco and not be like, holy shit, I'm in a, this is like the Jetsons, right? There are things that are coming that are cool. But there are also like every technology, everything's a trade-off. And yes, there are unlimited dangers there that we should discuss. But people like Bernie should just absolutely be run out of politics.

1:59:49I think they're really a cancer and a scary cancer. And you want people on your side who can resist these guys. I know in California, it's like once the billionaire tech people are gone, there's no one standing up against the hard left anymore. They're the last ones. They're the reason we have a modicum of reason right now in San Francisco. The modicum, our mayor is a more moderate guy now, and things are a little bit better. It has nothing to do with anyone other than those guys that Bernie wants to eliminate. And I think that that's actually what's happening here and what this conversation is really about.

2:00:21I take your point. I do see a distinction between the billionaire tax in California and what are we going to do about these tech oligarchs who are going to be trillionaires while they take away our kids' jobs. That seems really unfair and wrong and morally, morally evil. But we'll get there when we get there. We've got to start thinking about it. I will say the other thing in the tech company's defense, you gave those two points. I think number three is they are not natural spokespeople. We've seen that. Like, love Elon, but I wouldn't compare him to like Reagan when it comes to the great communicator.

2:00:57Mark Zuckerberg, admittedly, is the same. He always mentions it when he testifies at these trials about how inept he is at communicating. Sam Altman, total disaster. so like i'd be much more worried if it was like the american conference of trial lawyers who's building this thing because they could get out there and actually spin us they could sell they could argue they could literally you know logical reasoning on us uh as long as the day is long and but these guys they're not that great at it mike you're a better spokesperson well thank you i mean i i think you're right there are disasters at this stuff this is like i mean the very first thing is why would you be messaging these dystopian scenarios at all?

2:01:39And it's because a lot of these are just nerdy people who read a lot of science fiction. They think this is possible. It is. I mean, of course, everything is possible. But I mean, yeah, the messaging has been a complete disaster and it's being capitalized. I mean, Democrats want to talk about job loss now. You want to talk about kids not having jobs? What is mass migration doing? Are you joking? What like in the world? We could start just with tech and we could talk about the H-1B fiasco. Like there is nothing but evidence that the Democrats don't care about Americans having jobs, like nothing.

2:02:09And then now they want what they, they, they want, they want, they're going to say they care about jobs, but, but also we need mass migration. It's like, of course they don't care about these things. Um, I think it's possible. I think it's such a hard thing to talk about because again, um, you're building something genuinely new. I think there's, that always comes with opportunity, tremendous opportunity that is difficult to see. Whereas we're humans and we're wired to identify danger. And that's good. That keeps us alive. But it can also mean sometimes that we're at risk of destroying something that could really be beneficial.

2:02:41Now, I think it's good to be vigilant. I'm glad that you are. And I'm glad that Ryan is and all of these people are. I mean, again, people in tech are as well. It's like a huge topic of conversation, maybe the defining topic of conversation in tech right now. But I think you don't ever want to take the side of someone who would only want to destroy something to destroy it, not to help anyone else. Yeah. And who has a pattern of trying to destroy just successful Americans just out of, I don't know, bitterness, envy, greed, or more communist type philosophy. A pleasure to see you again, Mike. It's just made me miss you all the more.

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