Vance and Erika Shine at TP, Kamala Whiffs, and Turning NJ Red, with Allie Beth Stuckey and Jack Ciattarelli | Ep. 1183

25:32And anybody who tells you it's required by the Constitution is lying to you. Amen. Religion was all over the public square when this country was founded. What do you see all over our money? In God we trust. Why is that there? The Ten Commandments were everywhere. We've deluded ourselves into believing that you can't have any mention of religion or that we're not actually a Christian nation, which was kind of baked into his question. We are a Christian nation. We are. And our constitution was set up based on foundational principles of Christianity, including the 10 commandments. So there's nothing wrong with that.

26:11That's fine. There are a lot of virtually every country in the Middle East is based on a different religion. Islam. Okay. That's how they want to live. Great. That's not how we want to live. That's fine too. It's the radical left that has made us pull religion out of every corner of the public square. And thanks to some radical judges who have issued some rulings suggesting you can't have any reference to it. And we need to get back to that. We actually need more religion in the public square. We do. We need more Christianity in the public square. That's the answer. That's the way out of this for everybody.

26:47more faith in the public square and in their lives and more connection for people and more dwarfing of oneself and understanding that there is something larger than you in this world that matters. There's a reason atheists and others push that out and have led us into being more and more godless. And I do think it's directly linked to those polls we talked about yesterday where you've got between 20 and 30 percent of leftists who think political violence is acceptable, who think it's fine. And we saw that poll of Illinois primary voters in the Democrat Party thinking 81 % of them say Trump and MAGA are Nazis.

27:2681%. So I do think those people need to get back in touch with God, with their faith, and understand the roots of this country and what leads to happiness and what doesn't. A life of atheism and non-belief and disconnection to anything other than one's navel has proven to be deeply problematic and dangerous. And we're going down the wrong path. Okay, I want to keep going. Kamala Harris, she's finally subjected herself to a couple of mildly challenging interviews. And it's no coincidence that it happened overseas, right? We showed you the one with the British journalist the other day. And now we have an Aussie who works for the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.

28:14Her name is Sarah Ferguson. And take a look at this exchange that happened with these two, SOT3. Wasn't Joe Biden then to put it on him, wasn't his refusal to recognize his own frailties the reason that you faced a nearly impossible task? I ran against Donald Trump for president. And Donald Trump ran on a platform that was in large part, I believe, misrepresenting his intentions. Non-responsive. I do believe that there are a fair number of people that voted for Donald Trump who believed him when he told them that his first priority on day one is going to be to bring down prices. And he didn't.

28:59and you combine that misrepresentation of intention with also what was at play in terms of massive amounts of mis and disinformation. Now, forgive me. And a truncated calendar in terms of the clock. I want to interrupt you because that is a world-class pivot, but it is not the question that I asked you, which is about Joe Biden's failure to recognize his own frailties and what that did to you. The question is about Joe Biden. Are you still reluctant to criticize the former president? In what regard, please? Well, just in terms of that question. So you went on. What exactly would you like to ask?

29:39Be more specific. She asked it twice. Was it Joe Biden's decision, his failure to recognize his own frailties in that position that put you in the position that made it almost impossible to win that race? He was not frail as president of the United States. But he had frailties. Oh, really? We all saw the debate. I do believe that Joe Biden had the capacity to be president of the United States. And she goes on to say, you know, maybe not the capacity to run for president. She tries to draw some distinction. Listening audience, you have to watch this clip back on YouTube. Go to 28 after the hour.

30:14She looks dumbfounded. She's truly stunned that she's being asked a difficult question. It is amazing. It's been like the theme of our week here on the show as we watch these dumbfounded Democrats. It's like, what are you doing? Like Karine Jean-Pierre, you know, in the interview with the New Yorker, like they don't understand. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. And Kamala pretending, ask a precise question. The problem is your question. The problem, the question was very, very simple. Wasn't Joe Biden, wasn't his refusal to recognize his own frailties the reason that you faced a nearly impossible task?

30:51Then she answered an entirely different question, talked about how Donald Trump promised affordability and he didn't deliver it. She got interrupted. And she said again, that's a world class pivot. That's not the question I asked, which is about Joe Biden's failure to recognize his own frailties and what that did to you. The question is about Biden. Are you still reluctant to criticize the former president? In what regard? In the exact regard I just told you twice now. Twice. twice I talked about his failure to recognize his own frailties. That's literally the phrase the reporter used in both of the questions.

31:26Kamala pretended she didn't understand. She did understand this one. She's not as dumb as Corrine Jean-Pierre. And she just pretended she didn't because she didn't want to answer it. And then in what regard people, which is like, what? You can tell she's flustered in terms of that question. What exactly would you like to ask? Be more specific. Okay. You know exactly what she's asking. You're stalling now for time because you're shocked you've been asked a pointed question and you're being forced to answer it. And she asked it a third time. Was it Joe Biden's decision, his failure to recognize his own frailties in that position, that puts you in the position and made it almost impossible for you to win that race?

32:04He was not frail as president of the United States. Oh, my God. Amazing. That's where she landed. He wasn't frail. Well, here we are all this time later. I mean, truly, it's going to be a year later next month. that she lost, and she still can't admit the truth. Like the gaslighting is amazing. And speaking of gaslighting, we did a story on AM Update. I think it was yesterday morning. My mornings are blending together. Talking about how all these people went in there and they pled the fifth, including Dr. Kevin O 'Connor, President Joe Biden's personal physician. And the House Oversight Committee has now referred this all to the DOJ saying, like, please investigate these people who took the fifth on what appears to be the greatest cover up in presidential history, that Joe Biden was incompetent and non-composmentous.

33:01And even his own physician appears to have been in on the cover up. Please, please look at him, Pam Bondi, because he pled the fifth when he came before us at House Oversight. And we were talking about Dr. Kevin O 'Connor in the piece, and we pointed out the fact that he helped before Joe Biden had returned, had won president. It was like 2017, 18, 19, right in that time frame there. So Trump was president. And he helped facilitate some business deal with a hospital group for Joe Biden's brother, James. And so Jim Biden got this sweetheart deal where right after Dr. Kevin O 'Connor hooked him up with this medical group, he got a loan from that group of$600 ,000.

33:45And that day,$200 ,000 arrived across the transom. And later that same day,$200 ,000 went from Jim Biden to Joe Biden. OK, it all seemed very suspicious. And why was Dr. Kevin O 'Connor recommending Jim Biden to do anything with a hospital group when the guy had zero experience in hospital administration? It spoke to the cozy, the overly familiar relationship that this doctor had with the Bidens from Jill to Jim to Joe and raised the question of whether Dr. O 'Connor received any sort of a kickback. Well, we didn't know the answer to that because what we did have was a denial from James Biden's lawyer that this doctor received any kickback.

34:31But we couldn't ask the doctor himself because, again, he pled the fifth. OK, and we went back actually to see who specifically it was Joe. It was the Biden spokesperson, Joe Biden, who said there was no kickback. We went back to see who that was, who denied it. And it was a White House spokesperson named Ian Sams. And I remember thinking, I'm pretty sure that guy's lied to us many, many times. He's been on, you know, we've run clips of him many, many times where he was denying the mental acuity problems and so on. And it was very clear to me he was a liar. And he's in the news today. Why is he in the news today?

35:08Because he, too, had to give an interview to the oversight committee.

35:16and he was asked about how he allegedly knew that Joe Biden was a-okay, something he said publicly and apparently insisted was true to the House Oversight Committee. How did you know? How much time did you spend with him? Like, walk us through the two of your relationship. And would you listen to this? Sot one. How often would you say that you interacted with the president in person? I interacted with him pretty infrequently. So weekly, monthly, what are we talking about? Very infrequent. I think I met with the president a handful of times during my tenure in the White House. Pulled a couple of quotes.

35:57Handful. As the interview you did on MSNBC, and one of the quotes says, when I deal with him, he is sharp, him being President Biden. And he is asking tough questions. Do you recall this? I've got to say that doesn't look anything like the president that I know. When I deal with him, he's sharp. He's asking tough questions. That's the President Biden that so many of us experience every single day. Liar. So this statement, the basis for this statement was your interactions somewhere between one and five times. Yes. OK. Do you think that's a bit misleading?

36:33i think it was pretty direct and honest and said that when i do deal with him he's you know sharp and he was asking incisive questions during my meetings with them but you dealt with him five times in 24 months that's not exactly a large scope of knowledge on how he interacts with staff you don't think it's missing some context I don't. Do you think that statement suggests that you deal with it more than you did? I don't think so. I mean, I spoke about my own interactions with him. That's the President Biden that we experience every day. Every day. By the way, he goes on to admit that he only saw him in person twice.

37:19Twice. In all those years. And he's running around on MSNBC saying he is sharp. He cross examines with questions. That's the Biden we see every day. You never saw him. You lied. You're a liar. It's obvious. Ian Sams, you disgraced yourself. Why didn't you just say in my position, I'm low person on the totem pole and I don't get that much exposure to the president. But I will tell you in the couple of times I've seen him, I give him an A plus. That would be honest spin. But instead, you got caught in a lie and then you had to admit it and then you wouldn't confess to being out of context at a minimum.

37:56Those Republicans were being nice to you in the way they styled what you did on MSNBC. And that is why MSNBC viewers, in part, were grossly misled about the state of the president. They have you to blame. You, Kamala Harris, Kareem Jean-Pierre, and Joe Biden and his family themselves, plus these top aides like Mike Donilon, who we talked about the other day, who admitted he had not only$4 million in his pocket, to get Biden reelected, but another 4 million promised him if he could get him over the finish line. Okay. We're going to bring on Ali Beth in a second, but I just want to make two more points, two more points before we do.

38:36One of the things that I've been thinking about today, because we are yesterday was a seven week mark on Charlie is the Kirk family. And there was a video that was shown online, Erica posted it, of their little girl who's three. And they appear to be going by the Charlie, the Turning Point HQ in Arizona. It's totally heartbreaking. And I just, the reason I want to show it is because of the heartlessness of the left. You know, we're not, we're only dealing with people who are serial fabulists, to put it nicely for this guy, Ian Sams and Kamala Harris, but who really have lost their humanity. As we've been covering on the show ever since Charlie died.

39:19The absolute inhumanity and the people who, like Lucy Martinez, who mocked shooting herself in the neck when the Charlie Kirk truck drove by her No Kings protest, who's still working in Chicago schools. And all the others, she's not alone. All the Halloween costumes, all the celebration of Charlie, you know, these fake costumes of like fake blood coming out of people's necks. It's disgusting. You remember this when you see those next time. Here's his little girl riding in a car past the turning point at HQ.

40:04She's singing her dad's name. She has no idea. She does not understand. She's too little to. and her little brother doesn't understand either, who is actually truly just a baby. So shame on those people. Shame on you, Jamie Lee Curtis, for taking back the sympathy you offered for him. Shame on you, Gavin Newsom, for trying to lie about how much your son admired him now that you've apparently received blowback from who knows whom on the left. Shame on you.

40:36It's not just the seven-week, one-day mark since we lost Charlie. It also happens to be the four-year mark since my dear friends, Allison and Tom Barklage, lost their son, Blake. Blake died at age 17 from a heart attack on this day four years ago after contracting myocarditis. Here we are. This is Allison and Tom, and that's their daughter, Lexi, who survived her brother, her big brother, Blake, at our annual 4th of July party where we dress up like colonial figures. Here's Blake, gone too soon, age 17. The parents don't know. We talked all about it. We did a piece on Blake and we talked about the myocarditis.

41:18They don't know. He did have COVID, which can cause heart infection. He had received a double dose of the vaccine as almost every teenage boy did because those are the recommendations. Most places you couldn't even go to school. Most colleges he was in high school, but couldn't even go unless you prove that you did it. And they don't know what caused the myocarditis exactly or what, you know, what led to it, but they know it caused a heart attack in someone they adored too soon. And as a result, they lost their son, Blake, and Lexi lost her big brother, Blake. Here's a piece of the tribute we did to Blake a year or so after he died.

41:58What lessons has this taught you about why we're here? What your purpose is? I mean, every time I'm hanging with my friends now, I like I always just take a second just to like look around. Because I feel like when I used to hang out with them, with my friends, I wouldn't like live in the moment, I guess you could say. And it would go so fast and then it's over. Now, like, we're all leaving for college to hang out before last few weeks. Like, I just look around and just I can enjoy it so much more. Clemson's man down going into this freshman year. Yeah. They lost a good one. They did.

43:05Oh, those are Blake's friends, Kyle and Hayden, who were there when he collapsed. And they're still suffering. But I wanted to tell you the upshot as we're thinking about Erica Kirk and we're thinking about Erica and Charlie's two babes. and that is the Barkledges were determined. That's what one of the reasons we profiled them was because the mom and dad who are dear friends of ours just refused to give up. They refused to let their lives be ruined to, to subject their daughter, Lexi to a life of nonstop pain. They did turn their pain into purpose. And since then they've formed this foundation, Blake gives back, which is helping do screenings at hospitals.

43:48I'm sorry, at schools across the nation. uh, for cardiac irregularities. And they've saved innumerable lives with kids who had no idea that there was something wrong, but the EKGs that they've been offering found them, found them. In one case, it was like one kid almost didn't go. He was like the last one in. He barely got the test. He had something else going on. Sure enough, he had an issue and he got it addressed thanks to this Blake gives back foundation that they're now running in honor of their son, powered by their son and his memory. So they've, Tom, you may remember he works at Johnson and Johnson and that wasn't for whatever it's worth the vaccine that Blake got, but he, he works at J &J and he changed the bereavement policy there, which had only allowed for five days off in the loss of an an immediate family member to now 30, 30 days off, which of course is what it should be.

44:46And they were, and J &J was very good about it and like very, has been very supportive of the Barkledges. It's just, I'm just thinking about it because in the initial stages here and when you're two months in, you're not, most people can't even function. Nevermind, think about, I mean, when we ran that tribute for Blake, Tom and Allison, they hadn't formed Blake Gives Back. They hadn't done anything. I remember saying like, you might want to consider like a foundation or something, but they were, it was like, you know, you're still dealing with your grief. So it's a couple of things. Number one, four years later, they're on their feet.

45:19Lexi, well, I'll tell you about her in a second. I, we talked about in the, in the piece and I can barely tell the story without getting choked up, but Blake had wanted to go to either. He was on the fence between, I think Clemson and Georgia, but he really liked Clemson. And he said, dad, I think I could get a scholarship to Clemson. He had really good grades. And Tom said, Blake, if you get a scholarship to Clemson, you can go. And they made a bet about whether Blake could do it. And then Blake died on October 30th, 2021. And they called all the colleges to which Blake had applied. He was a senior in high school.

45:55It was the fall of his senior year. And they withdrew Blake's applications because they didn't want Blake to get the spot of some aspiring college attendee. And, um, I guess Clemson didn't get the, the message because they mailed the package to Tom and Allison and Blake, and it was a huge envelope and they knew immediately what it was. and he had gotten into Clemson with the scholarship. It's like, of course, Tom, you know, Allison's more stoic as between them. She cries privately, but Tom's got his emotions on his sleeve. And, you know, to hear him tell this story, there wouldn't be a dry eye in the house.

46:45But their daughter, Lexi, was a couple years younger than Blake and now is an only child in the family, is at Clemson now herself. and they go down and they visit with her and they go to the football games and they celebrate. And there is a way forward for families who are suffering. You know, we had the Deere family on yesterday that lost their son. He died by suicide, coaxed into the act by ChatGPT. They allege in a lawsuit that they are likely to win, in my view. They're still dealing with it. They're only six months into this, but there is a way forward for families like Erica's, like our family yesterday, like the Barclages.

47:26And the Barclages are a great example of it, of how you do it with dignity and grace, and you keep the loved one and their life and their name fresh in people's memories. And that way you keep them alive. And that way you keep their memory alive. I'm so proud of them and how they've dealt with loss. If you want to see the piece, you can see it on our website, youtube.com slash Megan Kelly and see for yourself how it is possible to deal with the pain of loss, especially as we go into the holiday season, right? A lot of people feel it. My own sister passed a year after I did that piece on Blake.

48:05Little did I know when I was doing a piece on my dear friend's loss that I'd suffer a profound one of my own a year later. and that stuff can always come up this time of year. I always feel like Halloween is the kickoff to, you know, the true holiday season. We've got Thanksgiving, we've got Christmas, Hanukkah, you know, and then you get the new year. It's just, it can bring up a lot for people. So check it out on our website. No, no, Steve, is there a way of like re-upping it so people don't have to go searching down the website? Yeah. He said, we'll put it on our homepage so you guys can check it out.

48:37So in any event, you can consider donating to Blake Gives Back. That's not why I raised this, but it's a great cause. We donate every year and help do screenings for kids. And they also help kids who just had heart surgeries and transplants go to summer camp so that they can have some time outdoors. There's a number of causes that they support that are wonderful. And, you know, just honestly, the lesson is always the same, which is hug your children, hug your spouse, be kind to your spouse, ask your spouse today what you can do for them, Ask your sibling what you can do for them. Call them up.

49:09See how they are. You know, what do they say? Your parents go too soon. Children come too late, but your siblings are there for the whole ride, or at least they should be. Okay. So that's my message for the day. I'm sorry if that felt like a downer, but I hope you took it a different way. I hope it inspires you to lean into the love in your life. We're back right after this with Allie Beth Stuckey. if you've experienced bloating or general gut discomfort at some point you know that doctors tend to give the same advice eat slowly take a walk after meals steer clear of processed foods but let me tell you about cowboy cholestrum packed with proteins natural growth factors and antimicrobial peptides cowboy cholestrum can help strengthen your immune system and repair your gut lining leading to less bloating and better digestive health they use high quality ingredients sourced 100 % from American grass-fed cows.

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50:34It's finally here. All right, let's get this party started. Megan Kelly live on tour across America. I was like, we have to go. And then after what happened to Charlie, I'm like, we definitely have to go. The best way to honor Charlie's legacy is to be out here, to be unafraid to not back down. Stand firmly. Do not waver on the truth. Next stop, White Plains, Jacksonville, Miami, and Atlanta. So go get your tickets right now before they sell out. MegynKelley.com. Presented by Y Refi and SiriusXM.

51:09Joining me now, Allie Beth Stuckey. She is the author of Toxic Empathy. Great title and great book. And she's host of Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey. Welcome back. Great to see you, Allie. Thanks so much. Great to see you, Megan. Okay, so we have to kick it off with this disturbing news out of New Jersey and Colorado. Both states passing laws now making abortion available throughout the entire pregnancy, all the way up to 40 weeks. And both states are now touting clinics that have opened or about to open. The one in Colorado is leaning in. They say, oh, we're going to draw the line at 34 weeks, 34.

51:55Now, not to make this personal, but I did ask Abby, my assistant, who went into early labor on her first child. She had her child at 31 weeks and she's a beautiful, vibrant, awesome kid, 31. They are talking about killing babies at 34 weeks and beyond in Colorado and New Jersey. They've lost their ever-loving minds, Allie Beth. What do you make of it? Oh, my goodness. Well, let me preempt what I know is a rebuttal that a lot of pro-choicers say. You've got a lot of reasonable, moderate people in your audience who might be thinking, well, Megan, they only have abortions at 34 weeks or in the third trimester because there's something wrong with the mother.

52:36They've got to save the mother's life. that there's something wrong with the child. Look, the reality is, and this is not just me, this is an OBGYN perspective that I've heard many times. There is never a reason at that point in the pregnancy to kill the baby to save the mother. If the mother has to deliver, that does happen. She has preeclampsia or something like that. You deliver the child. There is no reason to kill the child first. And look, if a child has some kind of fatal fetal anomaly diagnosis, then you still care for the child. I don't believe that a diagnosis of special needs should justify the murder of a human being in or outside of the womb.

53:15There really is no justification for this whatsoever. The one in Colorado is opening because the one they had been using called the Boulder Abortion Clinic just closed its doors after Dr. Warren Hearn retired following 50 years of performing late-term abortions in Boulder. And the Washington Times reporting that at least half of his late-term clients had no diagnosis of severe fetal abnormalities. Not a one, at least half. They say it as follows. The Atlantic did an article on this in 2023. Quote, the reason doesn't really matter to Hearn. Hearn believes the viability of fetus is determined not by gestational age, but by a woman's willingness to carry it.

54:02And so now this new clinic is going to become one of an estimated five U.S. clinics offering abortions up to 34 weeks of gestation, which is 10 weeks after fetal viability, where that child can live on its own outside of the womb. It's so disgusting. It's amazing to me. Colorado has no limits whatsoever. And one pro-life woman posted this video, Allie. Her name is Lydia Taylor Davis, and she's part of Students for Life. She called one of these abortion clinics, I don't know which one, just to see what they would say if she was inquiring about getting an abortion at 34 weeks. Warning to the audience, this is disturbing.

54:46Here it is. How can I help you? I am looking to have an abortion. How far longer are you? I'm 34 right now. My boyfriend is kind of out of the picture now, so I don't really have any support. It's a four to five day procedure. A needle is inserted through the abdomen and into the fetal heart. Lidocaine is injected and that will completely numb the fetus. After that, we inject a medication called digoxin and another medication called KCL, which will slow and then stop the fetal heartbeat. And then we'll give you a medication called mesoprostol. Mesoprostol will sort of induce contraction. will assist you in sort of pushing in the induction and then remove all of the products of conception.

55:26You're definitely going to feel discomfort and cramping, but we do give you fentanyl and Versed during the procedure. We specialize in later trimester care. Our doctor is very well versed in what he's doing and he's very good. So I'm not like a rare situation. Y 'all help women this late in pregnancy all the time? All the time. Wow. What jumped out at me there, Allie Beth, was the products of conception. We'll make sure the products of conception are out of you. Yes, they have to euphemize before they euthanize this child because they know that saying what they're doing, killing this child, just isn't good PR.

56:04It's not good messaging. So they've had to dehumanize what a baby in the womb is so much so that people will be calloused when they hear about abortion. And I just want to decode something there. That woman on the other end, she said we inject something called KCL. KCL stands for potassium chloride. potassium fluoride is the same chemical combination that is used in the lethal injection of death row inmates to stop their heart however of course how that is conducted on death row inmates is actually a lot more merciful because they are put to sleep before this but for a child that is injected to the heart into the heart of the baby this wiggling living human being injected into their heart to force cardiac arrest, to force a painful heart attack in this baby, and then they are delivered and dismembered and discarded like toxic waste.

56:58That is what is happening in the second and third trimester abortions that they're acting like it's no big deal, just like a root canal. Oh my God. I mean, I hate to even ask this, but what do they do with the remains of 34-week-old babies who are killed like that by their own mothers. Like there's no burial. There's no, they're not going to a cemetery. I mean, are they treated like medical waste? They're treated like medical waste, or in some cases, from what we've seen from investigations over the years, they are donated to science. We know this actually, the NIH has talked about funding that kind of research before, and they'll say, oh, you know, it's an elective abortion, so it's no big deal.

57:42But of course, there probably is some kind of monetary incentive there. I don't think we really truly know just how dark this industry is. I mean, if you're willing to kill a child, I don't think that you have any moral limits that would stop you from profiting off of that. It's amazing. The procedure we just discussed and potassium chloride injected into the baby's heart by its mother, by his or her own mother. It's just so dark when you actually frame it in real terms, which you're never afraid to do. You've been so good on this issue. You actually went on that show Surrounded, which Charlie went on.

58:20Ben Shapiro's gone on. They asked me to go on there. I was like, I'm not going on there. That's crazy talk. I'm not doing it. So hats off to you for taking on the challenge. You're very brave and you're an expert on this. You're so good on this issue. And you took on 20 young people who were very pro-choice. And here's a little bit of how that went in SOT 15. When the majority of abortions happen, which is in the first six weeks of pregnancy, that fetus has not developed pain receptors. That doesn't happen until maybe at the earliest 10 weeks, Allie. Most experts say 22 to 24 weeks. Is killing only wrong if someone can feel pain?

58:58It's wrong for you to characterize it as violent and painful when it's not. It is violent. There are a lot of people who are murdered who can't feel it. Are you saying that that murder is justified because they can't feel it? No, we're talking about abortion, Allie. We're not talking about something else. We're talking about abortion. Abortion is health care for women who need it, who have unwanted pregnancies. In what other case is killing an innocent person? 12-year-old girls who have been raped, who have experienced incest, Allie? that's less than one percent of all abortions if i said to you okay fine we will only allow which this is not my position but if i said we will only allow abortion in those one percent of cases in which it's rape or incest would you agree with me to ban the rest of abortions did the denial 99 denial of abortion health care to women is a hundred percent harmful to the woman who absolutely And abortion is 100 % harmful to the child.

59:53Well done. So not to college students in that instance, but progressives who are opposed to you on the issue. And that guy was, I don't know what that guy's stake in it was. But boy, oh boy, he really wanted those babies killed. Yes, he was very worked up. That was such an experience. It was actually the day before Charlie's memorial. I was working on very little sleep. I was sad. There was so much stress and I wanted to cancel. but one of the last conversations that Charlie and I had was about Jubilee. He loved Jubilee. He loved debating. As we all know, he was the best at it. And he had sent me probably 40 texts in a row saying, this is what you need to do.

1:00:29This is how you need to go in there. This is the strategy. And I really carried that with me. I really did. And I felt like, of course, I'm trying to do this for the glory of God. I'm trying to do this for conservatives and Christians, but I really felt like also, I want to do this for Charlie because I know that if he were here, he would say, you cannot cancel this. You have to go in there. You have to go in the lion's den. So yeah, I was, I was very, very grateful. And actually the first person who sat down, they didn't show this in the final cut, but he was so sweet. He sat down and he said, I am so sorry about your friend, Charlie.

1:01:02And that completely changed the tone of the entire debate. And yeah, it really did kind of just endear me to them and made it easier to debate them in some ways. That's great. That's amazing. Can I ask you something, Allie, because you've been so good on your faith. You're just like Charlie in that regard. You could quote scripture with the best of them. What have you been doing to get through the grief around Charlie's death? What do you turn to? Does it ever cause you to question your faith? How have you been experiencing these last seven weeks? Yeah. Gosh. The last time I was on was the day that Charlie was murdered.

1:01:43I was on that morning talking about what I thought would be the saddest story of the day. And that's Irina Zerutska. I had already, all three of us, you, me, and Megan Basham had all been on the verge of tears, if not actively crying, watching this terrible footage. I finished our interview and I got in the car to go to the doctor's appointment. And I got a text from my publicist saying, Charlie Kirk has been shot. And I just thought, okay, that's not, that's not, that's not real. She heard that or like he was shot in the arm or something crazy, which is obviously terrible. But I called our mutual friend.

1:02:15And as soon as he picked up the phone, he wasn't even talking. He was crying. And I was like, oh, okay, this is real. And of course, I turned around, broke down. My husband and I, who worked together, so we were both home, just completely lost it, praying and, of course, everything that everyone was doing. And I was just, I can't even imagine how Erica felt infinity times more than you and I felt. But man, I've just been so distraught in so many ways. Of course, it's gotten better for us, those of us who are more removed. But there are still days where it just catches me in my throat or it hits me in the gut.

1:02:55And I just find myself on the verge of tears. When you were playing that video of his daughter saying, Daddy, Charlie Kirk. I mean, I can't even say it, not only because of how sad that is for them, but also because, you know, I've got a six, four and two year old daughters myself. And it's like their voice. It sounds like them. And I'm just, I'm just so sad and so devastated. And you asked if it makes me doubt. I mean, of course, there are times that I question, like, why, why him? Or why this? Why now? Why would you allow this to happen? And then I go to the memorial and I saw you there very briefly.

1:03:34And I don't know about you, but I felt maybe more tangibly than I've ever felt, like just the presence of the Holy Spirit. There was this moment when the worship team was playing and it was just instrumental, which I learned was totally spontaneous. And everyone started holding up their Charlie Kirk signs that said, send me, I'll go, or here I am, send me, which is a Bible verse from Isaiah. And I just, it felt like this out of body spiritual experience. And while this is not always a satisfying answer because it's still so tragic and seemingly premature and sad, I'm like, oh, okay, God is doing something.

1:04:15I don't know exactly what it is. But I know that Bible sales are up. I know that people are going back to church. I know that I personally have had more opportunities to share the gospel than I maybe ever have in my entire life just in the past few weeks. More questions from people who say, I used to hate you. I used to hate Charlie's message, but now I want to know what he died for. And so it doesn't make it any less sad. And even Jesus wept when his friend Lazarus died. But I do know that God is in the business of redemption, that he brings beauty out of ashes, that he brings light into darkness and hope when it seems like we have every reason to despair.

1:04:59And so I know he's doing something bigger and better than what I would do or what I can see. And that is faith. Faith is the assurance of things hoped for. It's the confidence in the things that we cannot see. He doesn't spell it out for us. He doesn't show us what it's going to look like. But I do see now clearly that Charlie, he had to work as hard as he did and get up as early as he did and work as many days as he did because God knew that he would die at 31. So he had a limited time to get it all done. That's not what all of us are called to, but that's the pace that he had to go on his race because he was going to die early.

1:05:38And thank the Lord, he finished really well. Did you see the text messages that Candace Owens posted between her and Charlie from, I think she said it was 2018. So it was a few years back, but they were chilling because they showed that Charlie knew he was likely to die early. He was openly texting with her back then that he has nightmares about how it's going to end. Like he, he, he felt pretty sure he knew how it was going to end. I'm trying to see if I have it on my phone. Cause I think I, I grabbed it. I screen grabbed it because I was so like, Oh my God, this is shocking. I did see that. That is extremely chilling.

1:06:22Oh, here I have it. Stand by. Okay. He wrote for the listening audience. Um, this is per Candace in a text exchange she posted. he writes you are going to be the iron Kanye you are going to be the iron lady of America I see it so freaking clearly I might be Moses though I might not see this whole thing through LMAO if that is the case be my David she wrote dude you don't even realize your power yet he responded if I tell you the true prophecy I know in my gut it's really sad but I hope it's wrong and then he went on to say as follows. Anyway, I'm not sure if I will live to see the end of this revolution.

1:07:07I believe you are the piece God meant me to meet that will finish the fight. Since the beginning of Turning Point USA, I knew in my gut that I might get wiped out at any time. I cannot explain it, but I dream about it all the time, like all the time. Anyway, that's a depressing conversation for another time. Right, he says, and then he finally says, I'm not really afraid of it, but I'm just telling you what I know to be true. That is, I'd never heard Charlie talk like that. I didn't realize he knew, like I knew he was coming under increasing security threats, Ali, but that really does show you, frankly, how brave he was and also how insane the left has gotten for a long, long time.

1:07:53Yeah. And you know, it kind of dispels, I think a lot of the rumors are innuendo that is have surrounded him and the cause of his death over the last few months, because we've been hearing, oh, it was only in the last few months that Charlie started feeling this pressure and he felt like, oh my gosh, they're going to hurt me. Well, this goes to show actually he felt that seven years ago. And I don't know why he would have had, you know, that intuition, except for maybe God at least was telling him, hey, hey, we got things to do, okay? You don't have that much time. I mean, that's really haunting.

1:08:27I don't think any of us would like to hear that message. But what a man that Charlie was that instead of saying, okay, I'm out. That's, I think what most of us would do. If we had this premonition that we're going to be slaughtered, most of us would stop talking. Most of us would get out of the fight and say, I'm gonna go be an accountant. I'm gonna stay home. He could have done that. He was so smart. He could have made a lot of money in business doing whatever he wanted to. but he knew as well as a finite human good that, okay, I think I'm going to die for this. And he went even harder. Like he went even more, he went into the lion's den more often.

1:08:59I mean, that is the kind of courage that I think most of us don't have. And it kind of faith in God that, okay, I don't know what this looks like, but I'm just going to follow you. Even though it's really scary. It actually reminds me of Jesus, but, and I'm not saying that Charlie Kirk is Jesus. I'm when Jesus is about to go to the cross and he knows what's about to happen. And he's in the garden of Gethsemane and he says, Jesus, who was God? He says, father, please take this cup from me. Like, I don't want it. I don't want to suffer in this way yet. Not my will, but your will be done. And again, Charlie is not the savior, but all of us as Christians are called to do that.

1:09:37Lord, I don't know what this looks like, but you're calling me to do it. And I'm just going to obey you and trust you. And he knew, like Charlie knew that the cost was worth it. And that's amazing. Yeah, it really is extraordinary. All great points. Not everyone shares this commitment to faith. Some people find it worthy of mocking. And that leads me to former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who is in the news today for the following soundbite. She's such an odd strange nasty person here is thought 13 do you agree with apparently a big swath of americans according to our last election that democrats pushed the country too far to the left specifically on cultural issues no i don't agree with that at all i think that we are a reflection of our country we are a beautiful diverse country and and if they find that offensive with their dei initiatives and they want to sell it as we're also left it's ridiculous or they're undermining our culture look there's certain people in the country who don't want to see they don't want to see women lgbtq people of color immigrants taking their place in anything and that's just the way it is that's not really that's not america's problem so we respect everybody in our country So for them to be saying what they're saying about people is like, and you're people of faith?

1:11:10You're people of faith? You go to church on Sunday and pray on church on Sunday and pray on people the rest of the week? What is this? She slipped into a little fake Southern accent there. You're going to pray on Sunday? And then what is it? You're people of faith? Okay, your thoughts on her challenging the faithfulness of those on the right who she thinks just want to get rid of people who don't look like them? Look, if Democrats represented America, those are her words as a quote, then they would have won the election. Then they wouldn't have had a problem winning the election because they would have had the majority of the vote.

1:11:45But they didn't. They didn't just lose the electoral vote. They lost the popular vote, too. So that means you don't represent the values of most of America. Maybe there is a tiny sliver percentage of people who hate all of those categories that she just listed. They're not enough to win an election. I don't even think they're enough to influence an election. So this is what the Internet calls a cope. She is coping instead of being self-aware and saying, how can we win the next election? How can we change? How can we moderate? She's not even attempting to do that. Right. And she's basically ignoring the question was about polls that have just come out showing that the Democrat Party has realized that it's gone too far to the left.

1:12:28And Democrats think in particular on immigration and crime, like this massive survey that they did of tens of thousands of Democrats, that they've gone too far left in particular on immigration and on crime, but also on social issues. So the reporter is basically saying, do you agree? And she manages to twist it into a right. Right wing people are threatened by black and brown people and anyone who doesn't look like them while lying about their faith. Okay, okay. So this is a woman who very much favors abortion and is going to church and taking communion. Okay, all right. I don't think she should be our teacher on matters of faith.

1:13:04Okay, let's keep going because I've got to ask you about Glamour. Glamour UK. It's a women's magazine and they are presenting their women of the year awards. And I realize no one really cares what Glamour thinks, but this one's so egregious. It's worthy of a mention. Um, um, the cover of Glamour UK is not, well, I'll show you the cover for the listening audience. We have nine people here who look like women sort of in skimpy little shirts, that read something about the dolls. And it says, protect the dolls, protect the dolls. And it's not like, see if you can find the trans person in here. They're all trans.

1:13:45All nine of these people are men pretending to be women. And the cover literally reads women of the year. And then they go through and do interviews with these women who are, I guess, fine with the protect the dolls slogan. One of them objected, but everybody else seemed fine with it. Here's one. Munya, she's a model in London. He, he is a model in London. There's a level of privilege whiteness provides for dark-skinned black people, including, or then he says, for dark-skinned black people, including in fashion, it's also harder for us to access the opportunities than our white counterparts. So this guy's got it all going on.

1:14:23I'm black, I'm a man pretending to be a woman, and I object to white privilege and also women privilege, which I want to have but can't. Then there's another one, Belle Priestley, who says, one big thing you would really like to see change for, quote, trans women, Belle would like the following to change. I'd love the narrative to be changed around dating us, particularly for guys. It's not a crime to fancy trans women, meaning men. It's not a negative thing. The stigma makes our lives hell. That, like, straight white guys don't want to go to bed with these people. And here's the last one I'll read to you.

1:15:02This person goes by Maya Memmi, who's a DJ and musician in London, and says the following. I think people just need to understand not only are we human, most of us are badder than everyone else. Put some respect on it, bitch. I look better than you. I dress better than you. I smell better than you. Please learn that and understand that. One of Glamour's potential, quote, women of the year. Thoughts on that? Yeah, that's definitely a woman. I want to share a bathroom with my daughters. Sounds lovely. Okay, gosh, I've just got so many thoughts on this. So a doll is a fake woman. Are they trying to be on the nose, like protect the dolls?

1:15:44Are they like a fake woman like a doll? I'm just not totally sure what the positive PR messaging is surrounding that. I just find this very disturbing. The UK has made some really good advances in recognizing that things like puberty blockers are dangerous for children. They're dangerous for everyone. Should not be given to adolescents. And yet this media company is hoisting up this absolute delusion that a man can be born in the wrong body and can be a woman by declaration, and that we should submit to that. That women should submit to no man except for the man who puts himself in a skirt and comes into my bathroom.

1:16:24No, thank you. Okay, that leads me, last but certainly not least, to Sydney Sweeney, who is all woman, real woman, actual woman, and absolutely stunning. So she was on the red carpet. What was she on the red carpet for? I can't remember what she was doing there. But she was on the red carpet last night and she decided to show off her number one asset, which contrary to the American Eagle jeans ad is not really her jeans. It's her enormous breasts, which are spectacular. No one would take that away from her. But controversial opinion, Allie. I object to this. I disapprove of the dress she wore because it's completely see through.

1:17:09You can see her entire like nipples. She reminded me of Kim Kardashian, you know, who over shares and then takes away like the thing that is the sexiest, which is like every guy's hoping to be the one who actually sees them for real and leaving a little to the imagination. Now, I know this is being universally celebrated online, but I have to say, even though Sidney Sweeney fan love the jeans campaign, I thought this is a rare misstep. Your thoughts? yeah i mean she's absolutely beautiful and no one no one at all is trying to deny that but i i mean i am definitely pro modesty it's not that i'm pro burka but i think that we should do everything we can to like draw the eyes to the beauty of the face there's nothing wrong with a womanly figure i think that god made it and it is beautiful and there's a way to dress that with dignity and respect but i feel like we could draw the line at areola like i don't know like i just feel like maybe draw the line of areola that's that should be the rule make t-shirts megan sell them in your merch shop please so walk me through this because i actually am curious we've seen this as a growing trend among these hollywood celebrities and it's always a very beautiful woman i will say unlike going to the beaches of france where the nude people are always gross old men the women who take it all off for these photo shoots in america do tend to have the rocket bodies.

1:18:32And I get it. Like, was it that Irina Shank or whatever? I don't want to wrongfully disparage the model who was like walking across the hotel lobby at Cannes France in nothing by saying the wrong one. But we've seen we've seen this. Then the Kanye wife pictures, Bianca Sensore showing up literally naked at the Grammys more and more Lauren Sanchez going out like a outfit that's just pure lace, just strategically covering only a couple of things. Why? Why did these otherwise stunning women who would get plenty of attention just by wearing like a great, a well-styled dress and having their hair and makeup, you know, done right.

1:19:13Why do they feel the need to take it here? I think there are so many answers for this. I think maybe on an individual level, it's probably as superficial as just liking the attention, liking how they look in the mirror, knowing that they are going to be written positively about. and maybe Sydney Sweeney has just been like, okay, I'm gonna be a lightning rod and I'm gonna cause controversy. Maybe her PR people have decided that that's a good thing. On a macro cultural level, you could say that it is like a big pendulum swing to the other side. On the one hand, you have, oh, men can be women. There is no definition of a woman.

1:19:48Femininity is something that is weak and a white cis hetero woman should never be on the cover of any magazine. So maybe it's a little bit of a swing of Sydney Sweeney saying, you know what? I'm hot and I know I'm hot. I know people think I'm hot and I don't really care. So you could kind of analyze it in two different ways. But, you know, Occam's razor, it's probably the most obvious thing. It's probably just because she likes how she looks. No, you're right. I'd much rather look at Sydney Sweeney in a sheer dress at whatever event this was than look at nine fake women on the cover of UK Glamour.

1:20:22Much rather. I guess I just want like for my daughter, you know, I, I want her to look at amazing women like that and say, I can be totally sexy when that time comes in my life with an appropriate outfit on. Like I don't actually have to show areola in order to get male attention or feel gorgeous or sexy. I don't know. I mean, I know I kind of think she might've been misled into it. that's my bet because like when I did a saucy photo shoot one time for, it was GQ, I think it was GQ. And I, when I turned 40, but I, it was like what I wore was appropriate. It was just a slip dress. That's all it was.

1:21:02I did not show anything close to Areola and I never would, but I think probably she's very young. I think she's only like 26. And I guarantee you somebody brought the dress to her and was like, now we'll take it next level. And she trusted the wrong person. And before you knew it, you know, we had all seen it and she'll, she's not going to hurt her at all. It's just people like us who I think were becoming her new fans who are like, oh, okay, that wasn't, that wasn't the move. No. And self-objectification is still objectification. And look, like, I think all porn is bad. I think it's horrible.

1:21:35I think it's bad for people. And I think this kind of thing is making it even more difficult for the honorable men out there who said, you know, I'm not going to look at porn. I'm not going to go to porn websites. It's bad that addiction is horrible. It ruins relationships and sexuality and all of that. Well, this makes it things like this, make it even more difficult because now you don't even have to go to a porn site. All you have to do is log on to X or open up Instagram or something like that. And you've got Sydney Sweeney with her full titties out. And that is just like, that's just tough.

1:22:07That's just tough. And for those of us who don't want to see it, like I didn't, you know, none of us chose to see something like that. And now the fullness of someone's nakedness is on display. I don't like it. There is fullness. That's for sure. I did not have Allie Beth Stuckey saying titties in my... I probably shouldn't have, Megan. You probably brought it out in me. By the way, I'm saying that it's not good. I needed the laugh today. Thank you, my friend. Thanks for being here. Thank you. Thank you so much, Megan. A pleasure, as always. Okay, coming up next, the man who could be the next governor of New Jersey, and amazingly, he's a Republican.

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1:25:33New Jersey has long been a blue state with Democrats winning most elections easily. The last time the state voted for a Republican for U.S. Senator was 1972. The last time the state voted for a Republican president was George H.W. Bush in 1988. Republican Chris Christie made national news when he was elected governor in the Garden State in 2009 and then again in 2013. But that did not end well. Republican Jack Cattarelli shocked many when he lost to the incumbent Democrat governor, Phil Murphy, back in 2021 by just three points. All of us were like, what? Three? That's an amazing feat in the state of New Jersey.

1:26:13Well, Cattarelli is once again the Republican nominee for governor. and with his opponent, Mikey Sherrill, mired in multiple scandals and the state struggling. MK Media's own Mark Halperin, host of Next Up with Mark Halperin, says Chattarelli has a real chance of victory here. All the issues he raises, energy costs, traffic congestion, jobs, all these things. Taxes. Taxes, all these things are problems in New Jersey. So I think that message not just fits the mood of the state And again, it's what the same kinds of things that got Chris Christie elected. So even though it's become a very blue state, they haven't elected a Republican senator in forever or voted for a Republican for president, I think, since Bush 43 or 41.

1:26:59They did elect Chris Christie that long ago on all the same kind of themes, corruption in Trenton, economics out of whack, et cetera. So I agree with Dan that Cittarelli's momentum is not what it was. But no one I know in either party who works in the state familiar with this race, no one would be surprised if Cittarelli won. No one. Oh, here with me now, Jack Cittarelli himself. Jack, so nice to meet you. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me on, Megan. And on Tuesday, I'm going to make you a true believer we're going to win this race. Oh, shoot it in my veins. How? How exactly are you going to do it?

1:27:34The polls are tightening, and I've been very encouraged by the latest polls. But how do you get it over the finish line? First of all, Megan, the polls that we trust, including Emerson this morning, have it as literally a dead heat. There's a couple that have me up by a point or two. Listen, people across the state are ticked off after eight years of failed policies of the current administration, all of which have been endorsed by my opponent. She's not from New Jersey. She hasn't been able to answer the most basic questions. And as you mentioned at the very beginning, there's been a number of scandals that call into questioning her character.

1:28:04We're just going to continue to get out there. And don't forget, the majority party in New Jersey are the 2.5 million unaffiliated, independent voters that lean right, and this time they favor Chattarelli. What if they haven't registered? Is there any way to still register to vote in New Jersey before Tuesday or no? We don't have same-day registration here in New Jersey, and that's not something I support. What I do support is voter ID, and that's something I'll champion once we win. Well, if you are registered, get up off of your couch. Get up, get up. We can actually get a Republican running the state and restore order or some sort of decency to New Jersey.

1:28:37I want to show one thing that is personal to yours truly, because I do spend every summer in New Jersey. I'm a homeowner there. This is small ball, but I think everybody watching this will understand our frustration. This is from a report that aired on Fox News. Fox News' Brian Yanis, I don't know how to pronounce his last name, forgive me. Yeah, reporting today. Watch this. Now, Cittarelli also says he's been surprised by how fired up voters are over a sleeper issue potentially in this campaign. His plan to get rid of the state's plastic bag and single-use paper bag ban. Yes. Come at it in a store with a bunch of items and you got to purchase a new bag.

1:29:17It's really ridiculous. It's so silly. My car is filled with all those other kind of bags and they're not biodegradable. It's definitely a struggle when you need to find a plastic bag. They don't exist anymore, but I think that's a good thing. It's not a bad thing. They are not single-use bags. I use them all the time for all sorts of stuff. And I recycle when they are finished. So what is the problem? We need plastic bags back. We do. We spoke to voters all over New Jersey, Harris. It is a hot topic people love to talk about. Cittarelli says it's his number one applause line, it seems like, at his rallies.

1:29:53Cheryl says she wants to keep the ban, so we'll see. This could win you, New Jersey. It could. So she's doubled down on the Green New Deal that the current governor's put in place. It has two things that people can't stand. The first is the plastic bag ban. We're getting rid of that. And the second thing is wind farms off the Jersey Shore. If the current governor and my opponent were from New Jersey, they'd know that the Jersey Shore is sacrosanct. And we're not going to have wind farms off our Jersey Shore. We will lower the cost of electricity by pulling out a Reggie, but we're not going to have wind farms off the Jersey Shore when I'm governor.

1:30:29It's bad enough when you go to the grocery store and you have to buy all those new allegedly recyclable bags like that you bought the last time, but you forgot to bring them in with you. But let me let me say this. Try going to Bed Bath and Beyond or one of those stores where you have to get like big things and a lot of them, you know, like dish towels or bath mats, whatever, like I had to do this past summer and they will give you a bag. It's like either they let you take the cart directly to your car or not. But then when you get home, you need a bag. It's like, what's so wrong with plastic bags?

1:30:58I love that you've made this an issue. Now, talk to me about your opponent's military history, because she's not even been consistent on the story. And I have to say, I smell a rat in her story about why she didn't walk in her graduation from the Naval Academy. Megan, she's changed her story three times, which strongly suggests she's not telling the truth. But listen, she could very easily come clean by approving the release of her disciplinary records. Only she can do that. If what she's telling us is the truth, the disciplinary records will confirm that. But there's a pattern here, Megan. She wasn't allowed to walk at her Naval graduation at the Naval Academy.

1:31:36And by the way, she's built her entire political brand about her attendance at the Naval Academy, but now we know that she was severely punished. She violated federal law while in the Congress when it came to stock trades and stock reporting, and she tripled her net worth in only six years' time in the Congress, but can't explain how. I mean, come on. Who wouldn't know if they made$7 million? Yes, she does seem a little befuddled on whether she made money or how. Do we have that with the Charlemagne exchange as one of our soundbites? I'm trying to look. Yeah, SOT31. Let's listen. So when Newsmax claims that you made$7 million from stock trades, what are they talking about?

1:32:17Newsmax is, first of all, a very questionable organization that is paying multiple fines. I'm not sure what they're talking about Did you make 7 million in stock trades at all? I I haven't I don't believe I did but I'd have to go see what that was alluding to again what kind of came from No, I know it was from Newsmax which again And then another one in the Washington Free Beacon which is a conservative leaning platform but they said you had increased from between 733 ,209 to over 4 million in 2019. And then between 4 million to 13 million in 2024. So that's where he got the 7 million increase.

1:33:00The average. They averaged out that. Yeah. Yeah. Look, I, both my husband and I come from very middle-class families. My parents were the first in their family to go to college, and his were both teachers. And then we both went into the military. And afterwards, he got a good job. And I we've been really lucky. OK, she's much happier playing the destitution derby card, but she's a multimillionaire who won't own up to exactly how or when she got the funds. Exactly. And she should know something about paying fines. She had to pay them for breaking federal law. It's embarrassing and it's a disqualifier.

1:33:41She's been going all around saying she'll be the most transparent candidate and governor ever. But yet she's not transparent about her own personal situation that has been legitimately called into question. And by the way, Megan, the New York Times reports that while she's sitting on the House Armed Services Committee, she's trading defense stocks. I mean, are you kidding me? It's so unethical. The issue of boys playing in girls sports is another clear dividing line between you and this Mikey Sherrill. She she favors it. She wants to allow this to keep happening. This mother of two daughters voted yes twice to allow biological boys to participate in girls' sports.

1:34:18That's an 80-20 issue. And I just find this so hypocritical because you and I both know the Democrats will always talk about their defense of women. Well, you're undermining Title IX by allowing biological boys to participate in girls' sports. But this is somebody that also supports one of Phil Murphy's policies, our current governor, where school districts keep secrets from parents, which I I think is immoral, indecent, wrong and dangerous. If we really care about kids, stop allowing biological boys and girls sports. And we're getting rid of policy 57, 56. No more keeping secrets from parents when I'm governor.

1:34:51Before you came on, we were talking about how Colorado and New Jersey, New Jersey are now the only two states in the union, thanks to Phil Murphy, that are allowing abortion on demand all the way through the 40th week of pregnancy. It's crazy. So I have two questions for you. Number one, what would you do about that now law in New Jersey if you became governor? And number two, how do you get a state that's crazy enough to actually pass that? You know, they had to have state lawmakers involved. Phil Murphy had to sign off on it to vote for a Republican. Yeah, first, let me say, Megan, that back at 21 with that very close race that I lost, you alluded to.

1:35:31You know, I flipped eight seats in the state legislature and that was with wind in my face. We got some serious wind in our back this time. I could flip 13 seats. And when we do that, we'll have something we haven't had in 25 years, a Republican majority in our state legislature. But listen, I'm going to fight like hell to make sure there are not late term abortions. Taxpayer dollars are not paying for abortions, but most of all, parental notification. Something else my opponent does not support. I mean, in New Jersey, you can't get your ears pierced under the age of 18 without the permission of your parents.

1:36:00And yet a 15, 16 or 17 year old woman is going to get an abortion, not have parents be notified. another one of those 80-20 issues here in New Jersey that I'm going to fight like hell for. The thing is, New Jersey does have large pockets of red. It's kind of like California in that it's almost uniformly blue when you look at who's running it, who are the elected lawmakers, but it has large pockets of red. Trust me, like Jersey Shore, Atlantic City, you go there, you're overwhelmed with Trump flags. So there are Republicans, long-suffering Republicans in the state of New Jersey. She's trying to depress your turnout by suggesting you killed people.

1:36:37That's where she went because you ran this medical company that put out materials involving opioids that downplayed the risks back at a time when a lot of people didn't understand. But in any event, here was the attack she launched on you at the debate. It was SOT 34. Let's watch it. I got to walk at my college graduation. Even during, even. I got to walk at my college graduation. And I'm so glad. That you then went on to kill tens of thousands of people in New Jersey, including children. And I never broke the law. As they got. I never broke the law. You just broke the law. In fact, your campaign right now is under federal investigation for how you illegally got access to my records.

1:37:12So to say that right now, and I think you're trying to divert from the fact that you killed tens of thousands of people by printing your misinformation, your propaganda, and then getting paid to develop an app so that people could more easily get the opioids once they were addicted. How do you respond to that? Megan, it is a baseless, reckless lie from a desperate candidate who felt the heat from the Naval Academy revelations and the revelations about her net worth and breaking federal law and stock trades. She cracked. But I'll tell you what, that one's going to end her up in court. We'll be filing a defamation suit real soon on that one.

1:37:46And you want to talk about hypocrisy. Guess what we found out 48 hours after she made those baseless claims? That she took massive campaign contributions from the very same company she was accusing me of colluding with. Wow. OK, let's talk horse race, because we want to give people a realistic assessment of where things are. You mentioned the Emerson poll, which now has this dead heat, which is amazing. Amazing. But New Jersey has early voting, too. And we have to look at that. It sounds like so far I'm a little worried about the early voting. Explain to me why I shouldn't be, because here's my producer with it, with the glass half empty take.

1:38:24Democrats again won the early person vote, in-person vote on Tuesday. You had won it on Monday, but they took it back on Tuesday. Republicans still behind in the overall early person, early in-person vote. Republicans actually won the early in-person vote in 2024, and Trump still lost New Jersey to Harris. So that's scary. You look at the mail-in vote, Dems are up 26.4 points over the GOP in the early in-person plus mail-in vote. So what this tells me is that you really need them to show up on Election Day in droves. You walk me off the cliff. OK, first of all, keep in mind with regard to the polls that show this literally is a dead heat that traditionally, historically speaking, Republicans under poll in this state because we're outnumbered by so many Democrats.

1:39:08But the other thing to keep in mind is back in 2021, I beat Phil Murphy, the current governor, on Election Day, in-person voting on the machines by 250 ,000. So we're going into election day somewhat tied based on the vote by mail ballots have been returned and early voting, nine days of early voting. We're in really good shape. Oh, OK. I see your point. Yes, you just need to keep you're not expecting to win the mail in vote and the early vote as a Republican. You just have to keep the margin tight enough that your day of vote will put you over the edge. I'm not ruling it out that we don't win the nine days of early voting, Megan.

1:39:45And if you take a look at the motivation of voters, the motivation's all on my side. And one of the crosstabs in many of the polls measures enthusiasm. I'm beating my opponent by 10 points when it comes to the enthusiasm factor. How could you not be? She's so milquetoast and not likable. I don't understand. New Jerseyans are so down to earth. They're fun. They're funny. They're fighters. I don't get that they're resonating with her or that Phil Murphy would resonate with them. Like, explain to me what's happening with this electorate, that it's this tight. between you and this woman? She's not from New Jersey, and she's demonstrated that time and time again, Megan.

1:40:21We get up and down the state eight days a week. She has ducked appearance after appearance after appearance. Yesterday was another day in front of 500 members of an important business advocacy here in the state. You got to get out there and press the flesh. We do. Listen, I'm very confident. Everything learned from 21 and the closeness of that race, this one feels very, very different. The energy is electric. The reception in minority communities has been overwhelmingly positive this time around. And keep in mind one other thing. 13 prominent Democrats, all current office holders, have endorsed my candidacy.

1:40:54When Democrats in this state start endorsing the Republican nominee, that's telling you something. Meanwhile, it's like you get this gift. I saw you posted about it on X just as we go to voting week. drag queens are being invited by the Democrat union to appear at their next month. Big. I don't know. It's there some woke event called celebrating the vibrant world of drag. This is the union's annual convention in Atlantic City, touting equity, justice and et cetera ahead of learning. How did New Jerseyans even know about this? Do you think that this is just a matter of like watching too much CNN and not knowing this is happening?

1:41:34This is the teachers union, which will be convening in about a month's time. And they're advertising their programming for this year's convention. And one of which is this drag programming. I don't understand it one bit. I find it disgusting. Listen, I'm a live and let live guy, but there's stuff that does not belong in our schools. That includes the LGBTQ curriculum. It also includes this, this drag thing that the NJEA, the teachers union has going on. Listen, they already own my opponent. They've been lying about me left and right, but I take it as a compliment. To me, it's a sign of desperation.

1:42:07Jack, let's go. Let's do this thing. You got a couple of days to go. New Jerseyans, get up. Get off the couch. Make sure if you're registered to vote, you vote for Jack Cedarelli. We cannot have this woman taking New Jersey into another four plus years of Democrat rule. Thank you, my friend. It's jack4newjersey.com. jack4newjersey.com if you want to help him out. Good luck. Megan, thank you. All the best. Wow. Okay. Thanks for joining me today and all week tomorrow. You're going to get to watch and listen to our MK live show from Saturday with link Mark Halpern and Glenn Beck. You'll enjoy it.

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