Attorney Spencer Kuvin Reacts to Maxwell SCOTUS Decision

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3:07Ben Meiselas:There was no dissent. There was no explanation. Her name just appeared on a list of cases where certiorari is denied. This means that the Supreme Court is not even entertaining to even get the paperwork to then even listen to the case. It's just go away. Your case is done. And by your case is done, it means the Second Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed the district court order, which was a ruling by the ultimately by the judge that this non-prosecution agreement that was entered into by Ghislaine Maxwell, by Jeffrey Epstein for his co-conspirators. And Ghislaine Maxwell says it applied to her back in that 2008 period, did not bind the federal prosecutors in New York from pursuing the case that ultimately led to Ghislaine Maxwell being convicted, sex trafficking of minors, sentenced to over 20 years in prison, where she was supposed to be serving that in a maximum security facility in Tallahassee.

4:11Ben Meiselas:But the Trump regime moved her over to a camp, Camp Bryan, Texas, us after she spoke with Todd Blanche, Donald Trump's deputy attorney general, for two days and all of a sudden couldn't remember things and only had nice things to say about Donald Trump. And then suddenly she was moved to this other facility. Now, the fact that even the Supreme Court would not even hear the case just also goes to show you, again, a right wing Supreme Court, how much it shocks the conscience that Donald Trump would have his own deputy attorney general and his former criminal defense attorney go and even do that interview, especially without people who even were involved in the underlying sex trafficking case that resulted in Ghislaine Maxwell's conviction.

4:56Ben Meiselas:So now just so you all are following out there, this means that Ghislaine Maxwell's appeals are done. Now she claims she's going to file what's called a writ of habeas corpus to the district court in New York, where now she's going to say, I've discovered something new about my case that I didn't have access to. So I deserve a new trial, rib, habeas corpus. What's she likely going to argue? The current government, Donald Trump and the FBI are saying everything's a hoax. They say that my conviction is a hoax. They were saying the files are a hoax. They were saying that this was done by James Comey, who's under an indictment in the Eastern District of Virginia.

5:36Ben Meiselas:You better believe that she's now basically going to be able to use all those statements that Donald Trump said to try to pursue that remedy in the district court. I don't think the district court judge is gonna listen to that because the district courts across the country are just gonna, this is an unfortunate state of our country. That'll just be like, whatever this guy says, this president, it's not truthful. We don't take merit to it. It's just him saying things, which is a sad state of our country, to be honest. Okay, let me just bring in Spencer Coven. Spencer Coven was the lawyer who represented the first group of Epstein survivors.

6:12Ben Meiselas:You filed the first lawsuit on behalf of that first group of Epstein survivors. You were able to tour that Palm Beach home of Epstein. You took the first depositions of Jeffrey Epstein. You and I did a video over a month ago or so. That video is done close to 2 million views on YouTube. Lots of people hearing new details that they hadn't really heard before regarding the case, regarding very specific things. because oftentimes people speak in generalities and it becomes this political ping pong ball when it really should be about the survivors, what they went through and how sick and disgusting Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and their co-conspirators and ilk are.

6:53Ben Meiselas:But first, let me just start off and get your reaction to the news today that Ghislaine Maxwell's appeal to the United States Supreme Court has been denied. And if you can tell our audience what that really means for her case and the broader implications. Spencer, great seeing you. Great seeing you. Thank you for having me on again. I appreciate it. So first of all, I just want your viewers to understand that this denial was not a shock. It was not a surprise if you actually had read the non-prosecution agreement. This non-prosecution agreement only dealt with certain claims from a period of 2001 to 2007.

7:30That's it. And it was specifically limited to the Southern District of Florida. So claims basically that arose out of sex trafficking that was occurring in South Florida, in the Palm Beach County area at the time. And in that one indictment that the federal government had that they did the plea deal for, They had a number of victims, upwards of 33 to 35 victims, that they were entering into this non-prosecution agreement for. In addition to that, the agreement, this awful deal, this sweetheart deal that the federal government gave to a sexual predator, it also gave co-conspirator immunity. What do I mean by that?

8:14Well, we know now that there were numerous co-conspirators involved in the issues that Jeffrey Epstein was perpetrating at the time. Those co-conspirators, the number one co-conspirator was Galen Maxwell. I mean, she was literally his sidekick. And she was the one that was recruiting these girls and bringing them to Jeffrey Epstein. She was not named in the non-prosecution agreement. I've got the non-prosecution agreement here. I've had it for almost 20 years, and her name appears nowhere in that agreement. The only people that are specifically named as co-conspirators in that agreement were Sarah Kellen, Nadia Marcinkova, Adriana Ross, and Leslie Groff.

8:58And we don't know where those four ladies are today. So those were the co-conspirators that were named in that agreement. So the fact that Ghislaine Maxwell was making this way offhand argument that she should be entitled to some kind of immunity under this deal, I can completely understand why the district court denied it and, again, why the Supreme Court said they didn't want to hear it. It makes sense.

9:21Ben Meiselas:it's pretty wild though that we don't know where those four co-conspirators even are so in addition to Ghislaine we know where she is she got moved from Tallahassee to this uh four-star resort camp right exactly where you want to be if you're in the prison system but so we don't know right now where the other Epstein co-conspirators are who sex trafficked these minors I don't think that's been heard these four um people who are they and they just disappeared Spencer we know that Sarah Kellan got married. She was on this modeling kit to become a model. She was in her 20s. And at some point, she got married and either moved to New York or somewhere else and changed her name.

10:01We also know that Nadia Marcinkova was a pilot. She went back to school and got a pilot's license and became a jet pilot. And she's been flying around the world. Now, we do know that There was a Twitter profile with her name on it, but she came from a very small, either Russian or Ukrainian country at the time, Romania, something like that. And the story was that Epstein actually brought her out of poverty at 14, 15 years old, paid off her parents and brought her along with him. And then she became a recruiter for him. We then know the other two, Adriana Ross and Leslie Groff, that are named in this co-conspirator deal.

10:44Nobody's heard from them to this day.

10:47Ben Meiselas:Talk to us. It's wild. Talk to us about what Ghislaine Maxwell's next move is likely going to be. She had already indicated in her negotiations she's being treated like she's got like leverage. That's what's such a wild thing. And her negotiations with the Republicans in the House Oversight Committee, like James Comey, we've seen her lawyers say, well, she's not going to sit for that deposition until the Supreme Court rules. So the Supreme Court's now made that ruling. On that basis, James Comey, who chairs the House Oversight Committee, agreed to extend her deposition, which was supposed to take place, I think, like August 12th.

11:29Ben Meiselas:But then the other thing that they threw in there that I think got less attention and when she finishes her habeas petition, which I was always saying back in August, I said she's going to lose that Supreme Court appeal. I said, but Trump's creating a mountain of things for her to put in a habeas petition, which would be like a in normal times, a criminal defense lawyer's dream come true. I'm just thinking in a past situation where the FBI director, head of the DOJ, currently the president of the United States, call your case a hoax. In normal times, you would rush. And if you're a criminal defendant, bring that to a judge and say, guys, this is the government.

12:11Ben Meiselas:They're saying my case is a hoax. Clearly, I need a new trial. So to me, and this is an unfortunate part about it, I'm not giving her lawyer a tip. They know this. This is what they're doing. I'm just letting our audience, not like I'm educating them about what to do. I just want to let our audience know the move. This concerns me a lot. Now, I think the district court judges are going to have to say, it's not a hoax. We were here in the Southern District. We know what went down, but that's a big statement that they're going to discount the entire structure of what the government is actually saying right now.

12:44Ben Meiselas:That's a wild concept. No, and I agree. But here, you've got to kind of make this dividing line, though, even between what Trump is saying, even if we believe what he's saying right now, you've got to take it in context. What I would say as an attorney working on behalf of the government would be, yes, Trump may have said that, but what he's saying is that the connection between him and Epstein is a hoax. The connection between him and Maxwell is a hoax. Not that the prosecution of Glenn Maxwell is a hoax, or not that Jeffrey Epstein and what he did to all of these young girls as a hoax, but just that connection between him, Trump, and this awful person, Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell.

13:30So there's a distinct difference. Also, a habeas petition, you know, criminals file these things all the time and they tie up the court systems forever and they're just complete, you know, throwing spaghetti against a wall to try and see what sticks with a judge to get out of jail. She's got nothing here. She's got absolutely nothing. She went through an entire trial. A jury of her peers found her guilty of sex trafficking and lying, by the way. So you've got a convicted liar. So I don't know what they hope to get out of her in this deposition they've got scheduled of her. But why would you ever listen to a convicted liar?

14:06It's worthless.

14:07Ben Meiselas:You know, this is going to be in another example, though, right, where the government goes in and they go, what Trump really meant, what you have to don't look directly at the exact what he really meant was X, Y, and Z. But ultimately, the habeas gets denied. But I want to also talk about some of the developments since you and I last spoke. Right when you and I last spoke, that was around the time the Wall Street Journal had published the first story, a little bit after the first story about the birthday book. We knew that the estate had the book from Epstein's 50th birthday. And we were wondering, would we ever see the letter from Donald Trump to Epstein.

14:46Ben Meiselas:And what else was in that book? Well, we've got that book. We saw Trump's signature on it. I mean, he clearly sent it. They then went with forgery. It's not his real signature. Apparently, there's a time traveler that went back in time, forged his signature when he was a Democrat, realized he would be a Republican, planted it. As a lawyer, I want you to describe just what a ridiculous kind of argument that would be. If someone tried to make that argument before a jury, what would likely happen. But we saw a lot of other disgusting things in that book too. One of them toppled a ambassador to the United States from the UK, Lord Mendelsohn, you know, and, and we saw other gross things, Mar-a-Lago people, business people holding checks, fully depreciated women checks with Donald Trump's fakes.

15:36Ben Meiselas:Like that was like a big check with Donald Trump's signature saying like fully depreciated woman. I don't think that one was actually his signature. Cartoon of him giving balloons and candy to little girls. And then later in the next scene of the cartoon, somebody drawing those girls, massaging him and down at his private parts in the middle of his body. I mean, this would you make of all of that? But it's consistent with the disgusting and grotesque and criminal stuff that you saw during your legal investigation of him enduring your cases, right? Yeah. I mean, all of this that I saw in this birthday book, and by the way, you know, we didn't have a copy of this birthday book back at the time we were prosecuting these cases in late 2000s.

16:20This is new. I mean, this is something that the family, I guess, was holding under wraps and eventually finally released. You know, look, I don't know why Donald Trump doesn't just say, yeah, that was my signature. That was my birthday wish to him. I just didn't have any idea what he was doing at the time. I mean, he could have easily made that kind of an argument and that would fly. But for him to completely deny that it's a signature is just absurd. It would go nowhere in court. A jury would look at that along with other signatures of his over time and be like, that's clearly him. And then this book, this disgusting book and all the people that were involved in this book that was given to Epstein on his 50th birthday, You know, everyone in that book should lose their job.

17:06It's just absolutely appalling that this many very reputable, very famous people were aware of Epstein's proclivities and were just joking about it back then. You know, these are 15 year old girls, 15, 16 year old children that were being sexually abused. And these people were making fun of it. You know, Mendelsohn lost his job over in the UK. He should have lost his job. Hell, he should probably be in jail. There was a photograph of him with a girl in that book. How old was that girl? Who was that girl? I'd love to find who that was. And maybe the U.S. Virgin Islands could prosecute him for what happened there.

17:47Ben Meiselas:You actually, in connection with the cases you brought on behalf of the survivors, were able, and you demanded it, and then you were granted the ability to conduct a site inspection of Epstein's home. And you were able to see things like secret staircases to the bathrooms and other kind of just chilling and just horrific things there. Can you describe that process and just why did you request a site inspection from the court and what did that look like? And when did it take place around? Yeah. So back during the original litigation, and this was right after the sweetheart deal was entered, we filed suit on behalf of one of the young victims.

18:32And I petitioned the court to be able to inspect the property where Epstein's home was in Palm Beach County on the island of Palm Beach. And we did that because my client could easily describe the interior of that home. And why would a 15-year-old girl know exactly what the inside of Jeffrey Epstein's home looked like if she hadn't been there? Because they were denying, by the way, that any of these girls were telling the truth. They were saying that all these girls were just lying and out for money at the time. So I requested a site inspection. The judge granted it. And when we got on site, I had one videographer with me.

19:07And this home was just strange. Anywhere you would walk in the home, you'd see black and white pictures, some color pictures, some artwork of girls, women, half dressed, half naked. When you got into the home, there was a desk right there at the entranceway of the home. And that's generally where his young girl would sit and take messages because there was a phone there as well with a message pad that had been confiscated by police. You'd walk around through the living room into the kitchen area and off of the kitchen, there was this small door that almost looked like a closet or a kitchen cabinet kind of door.

19:49When you open that door, there was a secret staircase that would wind up and end up directly inside of Jeffrey Epstein's bedroom. And a lot of the young girls had described that's exactly how they were ushered upstairs. stairs. In the bedroom, off to the right, there was a massage shower room. So this room had a, you know, steam shower in it, and it had a pre-set up massage table in it that a lot of the girls had described because they had been brought back to that room and the door had been locked behind them by whoever had escorted them up so that they couldn't get out. Then off to the left, he had a bathroom and it was just a regular full bath.

20:29But the weird thing about that bathroom, he had a dental chair in there. We could never figure out why. I mean, maybe he was just into good dental hygiene and had a private dentist, but he had a full dental chair set up in this weird bathroom, this separate bathroom with all the utensils and things that you would normally see at a dentist's office. So there were a whole bunch. Oh, and the decor, it was just like an awful 80s art deco kind of decor in the home. It was odd, to say the least.

21:05Ben Meiselas:Also, before the sweetheart deal, I don't think this has gotten enough mention. There were checks being sent to the local police department. Can you describe that? Yeah. Yeah. We asked about that. I asked about that of the chief of police. They eventually returned the check once the lawsuit was filed. But there was a$10 ,000 check that was written to the local police department just before, like weeks and months before the search warrant had been issued on his home. And it was issued under the guise of them updating the police gym there on Palm Beach Island. Now, thankfully, you know, that went nowhere.

21:41And I got to say, Chief Ryder and the lead investigator that was involved in this case, who is now deceased, they were just adamant about the prosecution of this case. They were so upset when the state attorney here didn't pick up the case. So obviously that$10 ,000 donation given by Epstein didn't buy him any or curry him any favor with the police department. But nonetheless, you could see clearly what he was trying to do.

22:05Ben Meiselas:Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick described Jeffrey Epstein as the greatest blackmailer of all time. He said he was asked by the New York Post, a right wing reporter, Miranda Devine said, you know, how do you think he got all of his money? and Lutnick said, you know, he must have been blackmailing all of these rich guys. I mean, he said it like that. He must have been blackmailing all of these rich guys. You show up. He came up to me and he said, you like massages? You like, you know, he said, and I said, I got to get the hell out of here. And then Lutnick goes, anybody who saw this guy for one second, that's my Lutnick impression, knew the guy was a creep.

22:43Ben Meiselas:He goes, I was one and done. I saw the guy. I got the hell out of there. I told my wife, never again, never again. That's who he was. You either knew that and were friends with him, right? Because that's what you wanted to get into or you weren't. But if you were around this guy, you knew right away that this guy was somebody who was sexually assaulting underage girls. That was part of who the guy was, right? Yeah, that was essentially his entire persona. I mean, listen, that's where he got all of this favor curried with all of these rich and very wealthy and very powerful men within the world, whether it be in science, whether it be in corporate industry, whether it be in politics.

23:31You know, he had the same approach. Hey, you know, you like massages? I got beautiful young girls that can give you massages. And you either understood that this was a creepy kind of behavior and got away, or you just kind of leaned into it. But the reality is, I think Lutnick's right. Because we know that the US Virgin Islands in his home there, that the US Attorney's Office seized, you know, 30 gigabytes of data and information in that home. And then they also seize videotapes in the Manhattan mansion. That's why I have been in every interview I do, whether it's with you or MSNBC or Fox News or Newsmax, whoever I'm on, I'm always pushing to say, release the information, release the videotapes that they have, because I want to see and the world needs to see who's on these videotapes, who was utilizing Epstein in order to be able to abuse young girls.

24:29That's what the world needs to see. You know, blur out the girls' faces to protect the victims, but let's see the faces of these perpetrators. Let it be known.

24:38Ben Meiselas:And that's where rhetorically people may be focused on the wrong thing. when they say files or list, what really exists and what all of the rich, powerful people in our audience can just think through who they think these people are, are probably most worried about are the videos, are the photos, are the phone calls and the wiretaps and all of that, because us, that would reveal the, you would make a list based on what all of those things are. But here we are, Spencer, we are October 6th recording this. You and I were speaking several months back and nothing yet. And right now where Trump and all of them have gone to is we're not releasing anything.