In short
Host reacts to Donald Trump’s “disastrous” G7 performance, arguing Canada and other democracies must resist him and prepare for U.S. unreliability.
Guests
Charlie Angus, former Canadian MP; leads Midas Canada. Angus frames Trump as an “American Caesar/Nero,” driven by spectacle, cruelty, and public humiliation, and claims this is part of a control strategy that forces supporters and opponents into complicity. He compares Roman Republic decline to U.S. democratic erosion, citing Roman symbolism in Washington and the U.S. Supreme Court’s role in removing restraints.
Notable examples
Trump’s deportation centers and “concentration camps” (as predicted outcomes), memes portraying Trump as Jesus, and Mar-a-Lago “Epstein files” allegations about parties with teenage girls. Also quoted: former Deputy Prime Minister John Manley, saying Mark Carney—not Trump—is the “leader of the free world.”
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOCanada's Response to Trump at G7
2:59 to 4:15
Discussion about Canada’s strong reaction to Trump's behavior at the G7.
“I caught up with former Canadian member of parliament Charlie Angus and was talking to him about Donald Trump's disastrous appearance at the G7.”
Charlie Angus's Insights on Trump
4:15 to 5:50
Interview with Charlie Angus on Trump's parallel to Roman Caesars.
“Now I want to share with you my interview with a former member of parliament, a great guy, leads Midas Canada, Charlie Angus.”
The Politics of Complicity
5:50 to 8:00
Exploration of how Trump manipulates supporters and public virtue.
“Senator Claude Malarue in March 2025 warned Europe that they could no longer trust the United States because of Trump as American Caesar.”
American Democracy and Roman Parallels
8:00 to 10:00
Analyzing the connection between American politics and ancient Rome.
“So Donald Trump falling to the idea of the all-powerful and then what?”
Urgent Call to Action Against Trump
10:00 to 12:30
A rallying cry for citizens to resist Trump's influence and actions.
“Caesar Augustus or Tiberius, and they didn't think what, they were going to then get Nero and Caligula because Donald Trump skipped the others and went straight to the darkness.”
John Manley's Take on Leadership
12:30 to 14:00
Discussion on John Manley’s views regarding Trump's leadership role.
“Donald Trump degrades the notion of public virtue.”
John Manley's Critique of Trump
14:06 to 14:39
Insights from John Manley on Trump's leadership and its implications.
“And that's when they start feeding people to the lions.”
The Role of Canada in Global Leadership
14:39 to 15:15
Discussion of Canada’s geopolitical and economic interests in light of global leadership.
“has become the leader of the free world, the countries that believe in democracy and the rule of law.”
Transcript
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3:15Ben Meiselas:By the way, did you see Prime Minister Carney basically serving as the leader of the free world at the G7? Do you see how he had to approach a very addled and cognitively and physically deteriorating Donald Trump to say, Donald, what's the matter? You shouldn't be upset that we're now bringing in Chinese electric vehicles. We're doing with a cap, Donald. With a cap, you understand what I'm saying, Donald? Let me first show you what Prime Minister Carney had to say to Donald Trump, kind of speaking to Trump as though he was speaking to someone deteriorating in hospice care. And I'm not trying to make light of it.
3:51Ben Meiselas:I mean, that's kind of what we're seeing. And then I want to bring in Charlie Angus, who leads Midas Canada, because he had a profound observation that I want to talk to him about. Let me just remind you what Prime Minister Carney did to Donald Trump at the G7. Let's play it.
4:24Ben Meiselas:All right. Now I want to share with you my interview with a former member of parliament, a great guy, leads Midas Canada, Charlie Angus. And Charlie Angus had this profound observation. He explained how Donald Trump is just like the Caesars of Rome, but how Trump skipped right to Nero and has the United States burning while Donald Trump is out there engaging in these cruel public shows of, frankly, humiliation. And one of the things that Angus brings up, which is such a great point, is that Donald Trump debasing everybody around him and bringing people into this depravity and this immorality and just despicable behavior is all part of the plan of control.
5:09Ben Meiselas:So here's what Charlie Angus says first, comparing Donald Trump to Nero. Powerful words indeed. Here's the first one he says. Let's play it. But there's something else that sets him apart from the modern spin dictators that we see. And that is his demand for spectacle, his love of cruelty, and public humiliation. It puts him very much in the realm of the debased Caesars in the years when the Republic fell. So I wrote this article about him as the American Caesar, as American Nero, well over a year ago. but I'm, of course, not the first person to notice. Senator Claude Malarue in March 2025 warned Europe that they could no longer trust the United States because of Trump as American Caesar.
6:00He wrote, Trump's message is that being his ally serves no purpose because he will not defend you. Washington has become Nero's court with an incendiary emperor, submissive courtiers, and a buffoon on ketamine, Elon Musk, in charge of purging the civil service. What I think is really interesting about Senator Malraux's analysis is the message to the rest of the world is you can't trust them. You can't trust the United States. They are no longer allies because they become like Nero's court, this debauched, self-centered world where the courtiers and the vassals kiss the ring of this debauched gangster.
6:45And that's certainly what we're seeing. This is why Prime Minister Carney's speech in Dublin this past weekend while Donald Trump was setting up the cage match, Prime Minister Carney talking about a new world vision that we really need to get together with the middle powers, the democratic powers, and that as Canadians, we have to start really getting serious about defending ourselves and creating our own sustainable democracy because we're watching the fall of the American empire and it is happening in real time.
7:18Ben Meiselas:Now, and then more how he describes Donald Trump like the Caesars and Nero. Let's play it. When I wrote about Trump as American Caesar well over a year ago, of course, there were no gladiator games yet. And I wasn't being prescient on this. you know hannah arendt writes about the banality of evil but i think one of the most obvious things about the banality of evil is how predictable it is i mean there's nothing imaginative in the gangsters in the torturers in the con men uh in the narcissists who perpetuate this evil on the world they follow the same patterns again and again and again because they are not men with vision.
7:59They're depraved. So Donald Trump falling to the idea of the all-powerful and then what? Leading to the Gladiator Games next? Of course. I mean, it is a predictable outcome, just like his deportation centers and concentration camps are a predictable outcome of the fascist playbook. You know, there is something inherent in the United States democratic system that leads us towards caesars i'm from the westminster parliamentary system that comes out of the uk uh the canadian parliamentary system is very much similar just like you know our similar systems in many of the commonwealth countries around the world the united states revolutionary founding fathers came together they of course rejected the westminster system so they had to find another model it's interesting they didn't look to the Athenian democracy, they looked to the more brutal version of the Roman Republic.
8:55You can see the Roman symbolism everywhere in Washington with the kind of architecture that's there. The laurel reese that are on the speaker's rostum. The eagle, it was the Roman eagle, and of course there's the American eagle. Cincinnati, of course, a city named after Cincinnatus, and Cincinnatus was a symbol of virtue in public life, how George Washington was a modern Cincinnatus, and then they talk about Cicero. But the fact is, is that as a republic, it wasn't very good at maintaining itself because it was overtaken by the Caesars. And we know that the American far right for a long time have been moving with this bogus notion that America isn't a democracy, it's a republic.
9:40What they wanted was a Republican strongman. This is why this American Supreme Court with its Republican-pointed choices have pulled away all the legal restraints on Donald Trump. It was to make the American Caesar, the American Republican powerhouse. Maybe they were thinking they were going to get Augustus, Caesar Augustus or Tiberius, and they didn't think what, they were going to then get Nero and Caligula because Donald Trump skipped the others and went straight to the darkness.
10:12Ben Meiselas:And right here, you have Charlie Angus from Midas Canada just brings it home. Let's play it. This is not simply about Trump being just a really dark, evil, corrupt narcissist. There's a method in his madness. It's about the politics of complicity. I think what you see with Trump again and again and again is how he takes, he forces his supporters and his opponents to go along with his depravity. You know, the American evangelical church, the American Christian church that are all loving Jesus and loving Trump, and he's putting up these memes of him as Jesus. I mean, this is obviously such blasphemy, but what he's doing is he's seeing how far they'll go along with him.
11:00Because once they go along with him, then they're complicit. It's like as the Epstein files were taking down Prince Andrew and causing major, major questions about Donald Trump. He was hosting parties at Mar-a-Lago with teenage girls, half naked and giant champagne glasses. he is using the politics of debauchery and degradation to force those who should be speaking up and remain silence he makes them complicit in the debauchery and the debasement of american public life as well there's another thing about the notion of the roman republic that i think is is really important here edward gibbons in the book the decline and fall of the roman empire writes that the Roman leaders in the Senate and those in public life were supposed to represent a notion of public virtue.
11:54I mean, they may not have been the nicest guys or the most morally upstanding people behind the scenes, but in public, the notion was public virtue. And this is something that has really been at the heart of the notion of the American president of public virtue. I mean, everybody remembers John F. Kennedy saying, you know, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. They remember that way more than all the stuff that was going behind the scenes with Kennedy and his women. He represented a notion of public virtue that even today people remember the inspiration and the hope.
12:32Donald Trump is the exact opposite. Donald Trump degrades the notion of public virtue. He spits on it. So his 80th birthday party, which he claims is also the 250th birthday party of the United States, the idea of these gladiatorial games wasn't about him feeding his base. I think that's bogus. I don't think his base asked for him to do a cage match. If Donald Trump said, on my 80th birthday, I am going to invest with all my money in the largest and the best children's hospital in the world, and all children in the United States who need help are going to be able to go there, people would love it they would love it across the political spectrum his mega base would love it even people who hate him would have to say well that's a pretty good gift to give but Donald Trump didn't offer them that what he's saying is on the 250th anniversary of the founding of the republic the only thing you're getting is a cage match the only thing you're getting is debasement and what are you going to do about it and if you do nothing about it then he wins this is why this continual debasement of public life is in fact a provocation to see if anyone is going to step up.
13:45Come on folks, we got to step up. We got to say no to the American Caesar because we know that it is going to get a lot worse. If we don't stop it now, if we don't step up, if we don't call on the elected leaders and church leaders and civic leaders to shut this guy down, then it goes much worse. And that's when they start feeding people to the lions.
14:10Ben Meiselas:And I'll share with you what the former Deputy Prime Minister John Manley had to say about his observations at the G7. Let's play it. We used to always refer to the President of the United States as the leader of the free world. Donald Trump is not the leader of anything other than about the 37 % of Americans that still support him. He's not the leader of the free world, certainly not the leader of any other country. If anything, intellectually at least, Mark Carney has become the leader of the free world, the countries that believe in democracy and the rule of law. And I think it's going to be important for him to build on those relationships, both out of Canada's geopolitical interests as well as Canada's economic interests.
14:58Ben Meiselas:Powerful indeed. Make sure you all subscribe to Charlie Angus over at Midas Canada. It's a great channel, Midas Canada. It's on YouTube. Just search Midas Canada. And then tell Charlie in the comments that Ben says hi. Thanks for watching. Hit subscribe here to our YouTube channel. Help us get to 7 million subscribers. Thanks for watching.
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