Furious Canada Checkmates Trump as USA Suffers Bad

13 Aug 2025 · 20 min · 4 chapters

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In short

The episode argues that Canada is increasingly “furious” with Donald Trump’s leadership and tariffs, and that Canada is responding by coordinating with allies and pursuing more independent global strategy (“checkmating” Trump).

Guest(s)

Stephen Marsh, a Canadian journalist and podcaster, whose New York Times op-ed is discussed; Ontario Premier Doug Ford is also featured via excerpts from a speech (not a guest in-studio).

Key claims

Trump’s tariffs are harming both the U.S. and Canada (auto sector losses cited at $6.5B); Canada is united against Trump; Canada can compete globally via LNG exports and China deals; Canada should strengthen borders and talent pipelines.

Notable examples

U.S. auto exports to Canada falling; Canada importing more vehicles from Mexico; Ford’s “Amcan Fortress” and STEM graduate targets; Carney’s support for Ukraine and Palestinian state recognition.

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Chapters

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Canada's Response to Trump's Leadership

1:30 to 3:56

Explore Canada's emotional and practical response to the Trump administration's policies.

“Canada's answer to America's abandonment.”

Doug Ford's Powerful Speech

3:56 to 7:10

Analyze Ontario Premier Doug Ford's speech addressing Trump's tariffs and their impact on America.

“America is getting crushed there as well.”

Canada's Talent Pool and G7 Leadership

9:41 to 14:03

Delve into Canada's education system and its potential to lead the G7 amid U.S. challenges.

“While America is tripping over itself, we are having some of the best educated, smartest, hardest working people right here in Canada.”

Canada's Independence from the U.S.

14:03 to 17:24

Explore how Canada is asserting its independence from U.S. influence and leadership.

“The question is no longer how to stop comparing ourselves with the United States, but how to escape its grasp and escape its fate.”
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1:29Ben Meiselas:Profound and abiding rage. Canada's answer to America's abandonment. That was the name, pitch perfect name of the op-ed by Stephen Marsh, a journalist and podcaster from Canada. This made state regime media in America. Fox very upset. They were like, how dare he write about this. I want to talk about how furious Canada is, but how Canada has moved on from the Trump regime and how they are now working with their own allies across the world to checkmate Donald Trump. I also want to talk about the powerful speech that was given by Ontario's premier, Doug Ford yesterday. And Doug Ford used to be Maple Maga, not anymore.

2:16Ben Meiselas:And he just said in the speech, I just want you all to know how hyped up and pissed off I am at our neighbors in the South. Well, the leadership there, Donald Trump, I love the American people, but that leadership right now under the Trump regime pisses me off. I'm going to show you that in a moment as well. But this is from Marsh's op-ed in the New York Times. He goes, Canada has experienced the second Trump administration like a teenager being kicked out of the house by an abusive father. We have to grow up fast and we can't go back. And the choices we make now will matter forever. They will reveal our national character.

2:56Ben Meiselas:Anger is a useful emotion, but only as a point of departure. We have to reckon with the fact that from now on, our power will come only from ourselves. And it should be noted that back in May, Marsh suggested that a war, an actual war between the United States and Canada was no longer inconceivable. Quote, I think when countries are in constitutional crisis and when their legal system starts to fall apart, as America's legal system is falling apart, violence against neighboring countries is very common. To me, it's very intimately tied with this talk about being a third term president, right? That's exactly out of the playbook of authoritarian regimes around the world.

3:42Ben Meiselas:Back to Marsh in just a moment, but I want to talk about some of the data that came out yesterday. We know in the United States that core inflation is now surging past 3.1 % year over year in these specific sectors as well, where America imports heavily from foreign countries. America is getting crushed there as well. But we also learned that U.S. auto exports to Canada plummeted as a result of Donald Trump's trade war against the world. Canada imported more vehicles from Mexico than the U.S. in June for the first time in three decades, underscoring the historic shifts underway as the global auto industry grapples with Trump's tariffs.

4:28Ben Meiselas:Canadian importers brought in about$784 million of passenger vehicles from Mexico during the month, which exceeds what was brought in from the United States of America. All right. Now I want to show you a premier of Ontario, Doug Ford speech that he gave yesterday in Windsor. Powerful speech right here. Here he says, I'm just going to let you all know, just being blunt. Trump is driving me. He makes me so damn angry. He says, here, play this clip. Sorry. I'm getting a little passionate today about this because that guy drives me crazy down south. I'll tell you. And 41 million other Canadians.

5:12Ben Meiselas:Now, again, Doug Ford is a conservative party premier at the provincial level, but he's working very closely with the federal liberal government led by Prime Minister Carney to punch back against the Trump regime. Here, Doug Ford explains with very specific details how Donald Trump's tariffs are killing America. And Doug Ford says, let's go through these various industries. Trump is literally destroying the United States of America. And Doug Ford's like, when I speak with Howard Lutnick, when I speak with Scott Bessett, when I speak with Donald Trump's trade reps, I'm telling him, do you realize you're screwing yourself, idiots?

5:53Here, play this clip. You know, my message to the US, and if I go on US media, be it CNN or whoever, my message to the Americans, this does not work. Tariffs do not work. I've been listening to Ronald Reagan a lot. And tariffs are terrible for the global economy. What it does is reduce competitiveness and has more of a monopoly. People rely on government handouts. And what that causes? That causes inflation. So it does not work. And proof is in the pudding. I've been pounding the president and Howard Lutnick, Secretary Lutnick. You're doing nothing but hurting the American people. When you tariff Canadians, you're hurting Americans.

6:37And proof is in the pudding now. The auto sector you heard is$6.5 billion they've lost. That's just the beginning. It's just going to continue. And the mayor mentioned it. I've always said you can't unscramble an egg. You've got to make the omelet larger. And let's grow together. Let's create the Amcan Fortress. That's what we need to do. and then Procter & Gamble announced a billion-dollar loss and Mattel and Walmart, and that list goes down. And they don't even have enough workers to fill the jobs down in the U.S. So, folks, let's just keep focusing on what we can do. And that's what I've said to the premiers and the prime minister.

7:18Yeah, always keep an eye on Trump, but let's focus on how we can be more competitive and be the greatest jurisdiction in the world. We've got the critical minerals. We have the energy. We're leading the G7 and nuclear energy that everyone wants. We're leading the world with small modular reactors. So we have everything going for ourselves.

7:37Ben Meiselas:Here's another part of this great speech in Windsor where Premier Ford says, look, the one good thing that Trump did, he's united. He's united us all. Here, play this clip. And there's one thing President Trump has done. One thing. That's the only credit I'm going to give this guy is he's united the country. He's united the country no matter what political stripe you're from. We're all Canadians. We're all Ontarians. And we're going to fight like no tomorrow. But thank you and may God bless the people of Ontario. Did you know that the liver is the second largest organ in your body? It's responsible for over 500 functions in your body.

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9:41Ben Meiselas:And whereas America is crushing its talent pool, whereas Trump is hurting the workers, harming our education system, harming our ability to recruit talent from across the globe as well, One of the things that Premier Doug Ford is saying is, look, we're focused on our talent pool in Canada. While America is tripping over itself, we are having some of the best educated, smartest, hardest working people right here in Canada. Here, play this clip. When you create that environment and conditions for companies to come here, they'll come here. But our number one selling feature are the people. We have the highest skilled people anywhere in the entire world.

10:21You know, we graduate 70 ,000 STEM graduates and some right in this area. But that's not it. We're going to move that up to 100 ,000. And no U.S. state can say they're graduating 70 ,000, not to mention 100 ,000. And I met with a few companies, and the first thing that came out of their mouth, Mayor, was the talent pool here. You can't beat the talent pool. No matter if it's the tech sector, the health sector, or the manufacturing sector, we have the best of the best. but we're never going to give up. We're going to fight like we've never fought, as I mentioned earlier. And I just want to thank each and every one of you.

10:58It's Team Ontario,

11:00Ben Meiselas:Team Canada. And then Ford talks about Canada becoming the strongest country in the G7. Play this clip. Folks, we all know this is a serious time for our province and our country, with President Trump taking direct aim at our economy. Our government is doing everything in its power to cut red tape and make Ontario and Canada the strongest economy in the G7. I found this portion of Ford's speech incredible too, where he talks about, we need to strengthen the border from Americans crossing. We need to make sure that we have more than just the local Windsor police dealing with it because a lot of Americans want to unlawfully cross into Canada to get away from Trump.

11:43Ben Meiselas:Here play this clip. Anything that we can onshore, we get onshore because we have the market here where we buy 359 billion dollars worth of products off the us that's more than japan china korea uk and france combined so we don't have to take a back seat to anyone and we sure don't have to take a back seat to president trump we need to go full steam just a question on border security here after a person was arrested for allegedly crossing from the us to our region in a kayak last week another person allegedly crossed from sarnia into the U.S. on a stolen Sea-Doo on the weekend. Our harbormaster says that these are common incidents and more needs done.

12:22The province has already announced Operation Deterrence to stop these breaches at the border, but how does it keep happening? Well, first of all, and this isn't the present prime minister's problem, it was a previous prime minister that weren't funding border agencies, the Canadian Border Agency, properly. There are short thousands of patrol officers. And even in Windsor, and Mayor, correct me if I'm wrong, but we had the Windsor police boat patrolling the river instead of CBS. Like CBSA, really? You're relying on the Windsor police, a small police service to patrol? No, that's unacceptable. We went out, now we bought a helicopter for this region.

13:07So the OPP, which is unusual, they're patrolling Operation Deterrence, is patrolling up and down our borders, which should be CBSA. And by the way, I want to thank the CBSA officers. They're all champions. But they need more help. They need more resources. So hopefully the prime minister will give them more resources. But we can't have the great police officers of Windsor, you know, out there patrolling our borders. They have enough issues they've got to take care of on the land. All right.

13:36Ben Meiselas:Now, back to where I started with Stephen Marsh's guest op-ed in The New York Times. This is how Fox was writing about it. Canadian columnist muses how Canada can extricate ourselves from the United States amid the Trump presidency. And it goes on to talk about how Marsh writes, the question that we must ask is how do we extricate ourselves from America and how painful that will be. He goes on to say, as America dismantles its elite institutions one by one, that aspirational connection between Canada and America is dissolving. The question is no longer how to stop comparing ourselves with the United States, but how to escape its grasp and escape its fate.

14:22Ben Meiselas:Marsh argues that Canada's first shipment of liquefied natural gas to a South Korean port and ongoing importing deals with China last month prove the country is able to compete on the world stage without relying on the United States. He suggests that Canada can also be a model for other countries. He writes, Canada will have to serve as a connector between the world's democracies in a line that stretches from Taiwan and South Korea across North America to Poland and Ukraine. He basically says that America is in the middle of a grand abdication. He says, and he's very critical of any Democratic governors who are trying to get along with Donald Trump.

15:10Ben Meiselas:And he quotes Prime Minister Mark Carney, who says that the old relationship with the United States is done. We are over the United States. Now, here was a headline from Rolling Stone yesterday. Why Canada isn't sweating Trump's mob tactics, the gang that couldn't govern straight. Under Trump, Canada's most favored status indoors, suckers. By calling his bluff and asserting an independent policy on Palestine, despite Trump's threats, Canada has dare speak in the only language Trump understands, leverage. And also you have Prime Minister Carney, you know, looking Donald Trump and saying, be my guest.

15:52Ben Meiselas:You want to screw us? We screw you. We have your treasuries. You want us to drop your treasuries? You want us to plummet the United States? You heard, by the way, what Premier Ford said. We are your biggest client out there. So you screw us, we screw you, and we tank you, Donald. It'll be very easy for us to do that. And Prime Minister Carney also asserting himself in international affairs, not just in the recognition of the Palestinian state, but also supporting President Zelensky of Ukraine As Donald Trump abandons Ukraine, as Donald Trump plans to meet with Vladimir Putin in Alaska, American soil, which Trump keeps referring to as Russia, Mark Carney got on the phone with Zelensky and said, I've got your back.

16:38Ben Meiselas:Europe's got your back. We will never abandon you, Zelensky. and then Prime Minister Carney posts. I spoke with President Zelensky today. We agree that decisions on the future of Ukraine must be made by Ukrainians, that international borders cannot be changed by force and that diplomatic engagement must be reinforced by continued pressure on Russia to end its aggression. We also underscored the need for robust and credible security to enable Ukraine to defend its territorial integrity and sovereignty as negotiations work towards securing a just and lasting peace, Canada's support for Ukraine is steadfast.

17:17Ben Meiselas:In other words, checkmate, Donald. Canada doesn't need you anymore. Canada strong. Elbows up. Midas Canada announcement coming soon with Charlie Angus. Are you ready? Hit subscribe. Let's get to 6 million. Thanks for watching.

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