Furious World Leaders Freeze Out Trump On World Stage

0:00Mark Warner:When you want your spring break to feel like... And your kid's pool day to feel like... And your hotel bed to feel like... Ooh, and room service to feel like... Because at Hilton, hospitality feels like...

0:19Ben Meiselas:Your cabana's ready. Would you like fresh towels? It matters where you stay. Book now at Hilton.com. Hilton. For this day.

0:30Mark Warner:I'm RJ Decker, a private investigator uncovering the sunshine state's darkest secrets.

0:36Ben Meiselas:Tuesdays, it's the premiere of ABC's hottest new crime show. RJ freaking Decker as I live and breathe. He's a private eye. It's not a standard murder. It's someone bigger. And a public mess.

0:48Mark Warner:Trying to get someone back to prison today?

0:49Ben Meiselas:You go to prison one time and suddenly it's all the jokes. RJ Decker, series premiere, Tuesdays on ABC and stream on Hulu. spring is here and there's a whole new way to chai at starbucks that's made perfect for you choose your sweetness dial it up or keep things light add a touch of pistachio a hint of strawberry or vanilla or make it a spring classic with lavender because this season there's endless ways to chai at starbucks rated t for teen hey everyone it's the best in the world cm punk back to shake up WWE 2K26. This year, the show never stops. You're running the greatest spectacle on Earth with the biggest roster we've ever had.

1:35Ben Meiselas:Over 400 superstars and legends from every era. Stack the tables, break the rules, burn it all down. And yeah, my very own showcase, telling my story the way it should have been told. Because when the show never stops, anything is possible. Available March 13th, pre-order now. Starting a business can seem like a daunting task. unless you have a partner like Shopify. They have the tools you need to start and grow your business. From designing a website to marketing to selling and beyond, Shopify can help with everything you need. There's a reason millions of companies like Mattel, Heinz, and Allbirds continue to trust and use them.

2:11Ben Meiselas:With Shopify on your side, turn your big business idea into... Sign up for your$1 per month trial at shopify.com slash special offer. Donald Trump got torn to shreds at the Munich Security Conference. I think the superstar of this conference was the European Union Foreign Affairs Chief Kaha Kalas. She was getting just jab after jab, knockout punch after knockout punch in Donald Trump. She's like, do not lecture us about free speech. I don't need to hear that from the United States, which is like 58th on the list of like countries that are free. Like you don't lecture the EU here. Watch this. Let's play it.

2:54Ben Meiselas:You know, coming from a country that is number two in the press freedom index, hearing criticism regarding press freedom coming from a country that is 58 on this list. It's interesting. And then she says, let's be very clear what we're going to be doing in the european union um we're going to be supporting ukraine if trump and the u.s is doing whatever the heck it's doing and supporting russia we're standing firm here play this clip how i see it is very simple russia's maximalist demands cannot be met with minimalist response think about it if ukraine's military is to be limited in size russia should be too where russia has caused damage in ukraine russia should pay no amnesty for war crimes return of the ukrainian deported children this is really the very least russia should agree if peace is russia's goal then you got to hear from denmark's prime minister metta frederiksen and she's drawing clear clear bright lines clear red lines look you're gonna go after NATO nations, say goodbye to NATO.

4:11Ben Meiselas:Enough is enough. Stop this crap. Say goodbye to NATO. Here, play this clip. Talking about defense, how likely is it that you're going to have to defend Greenland?

4:24Ben Meiselas:So nice to be on stage with you. Thank you. And nice to be with my allies and my friends and my partners. Well, let me put it this way. I mean, if one NATO country attacks another NATO country then nato ends it's game over then it's game over so i hope i and i i answer your question yeah these women leaders at at this munich security conference were in crushing it that's why we need more women leaders of countries out there also you have polish prime minister tusk was mocking donald trump's uh desire for nobel peace prizes trump's like he's like he's like i'm I'm not really sure the Nobel Peace Prize is going to even be enough right now.

5:10Ben Meiselas:Here, play this clip. When it comes to this special award for the Ukrainian nation, frankly speaking, for Ukraine,

5:21Mark Warner:there's no prize, you know, good enough prize, I think. Even the Nobel Peace Prize will be not enough. I'm absolutely sure that you deserve something more. And, you know, just one remark. Some say that Ukraine should be grateful for everything. The truth is exactly the opposite. The rest of us should be grateful to Ukraine.

5:54Ben Meiselas:and spanish prime minister pedro sanchez was out there i thought very strong um here's what he had to say let's play it we need to stop putin we need to strengthen our deterrence capabilities but let us do it in a coordinated and targeted way that we can control let's build a true european army not in 10 years but now Spain will join with all the resources that are needed. Let's strengthen our multilateral system reforming and empowering those institutions that despite their flaws have succeeded in maintaining peace in the west for decades and also let's invest in the values of solidarity, empathy and cooperation that have brought us this far because the rearmament that we most urgently need in the world is a moral one and uh polish foreign minister sikorsky says look if the u.s is going to abandon you ukraine we're not going we're not going anywhere and if anything well we'll increase we'll increase our role but we ain't going anywhere here play this clip europe what we should say is that if the u.s forces ukraine into an unfair deal we will continue with our commitment to ukraine and it is ukraine that will decide when to make a deal and then we will not be able to be ignored by putin because we will then become the main provider i want to bring in right now uh democratic senator mark warner over from virginia he's he's It's as the vice chair, basically the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

7:44Ben Meiselas:I want to speak with him. He's in Munich right now. And I want to talk to him about the Munich conference. And I want to speak with him as well about just all of the intelligence breaches that are taking place within the United States and how our intelligence agencies cannot be trusted. I'll start by talking about what went on in Fulton County, because you've got you've got Americans sending Tulsi Gabbard to take a look straight out of like like Orban or Putin, you know, sending her to to be there to seize 2020 voter data as part of, you know, unhinged conspiracies to try to rig the midterms here.

8:25Ben Meiselas:This is a great interview, and we go deep into foreign policy, which you know I love, especially with everything that went on in the Munich conference here. Let's bring in that interview. Senator, great to see you. I want to talk about what's going on right now, as many suspect, what a lot of this ice surge is about also, what we're seeing in Fulton County with this affidavit of very curious propriety where they were able to raid the facilities where the 2020 ballots were being held. It was a broader plan here as we approach the midterms. Trump's polling right now is in the gutter, like the worst in history.

9:07Ben Meiselas:And he's doing what desperate despots do. And he's starting to see, you know, he's saying things like, you know, I don't know about these midterms or, you know, I'm not I'm going to think about putting ice around it. And then you start to see these actions like unfolding and people are really worried. I mean, you sit on the Intelligence Committee, you know, you've got a great deal of perspective around here. What do you make of all of this? And how do we stop it? Well, first of all, Ben, you know, a year ago when people said, hey, Warner, do you think

9:38Mark Warner:there's going to be problems with the midterms? I said, no, I mean, I didn't take it as seriously at that point. And then all of a sudden you see Trump come in and throw everything possible at the wall. A year later, I am more terrified than ever that this guy, who can't get over the fact he lost in 2020, is terrified again with his name not on the ballot, losing in 26. And I think we got to be on full guard. And let me just take two minutes and say what happened in Fulton County. First of all, to go way back in history, the last president that tried to mess this much in electoral process was Richard Nixon.

10:18Mark Warner:And after Watergate, there were all these rules, regulations, norms put in place that said, you know, the president shouldn't be involved in domestic activities. He shouldn't be involved in criminal activities of the Department of Justice. Our intelligence services ought to be outward looking and not inward looking at Americans. So we put a whole bunch of rules and laws in place. Almost all of those are being violated. Let's talk about the first one, which I think folks haven't really focused on that much. How in the hell did Donald Trump even know that this search warrant was going to be issued?

10:54Mark Warner:You know, that's not appropriate for a president to intervene in a department of justice. We all know this, you know, Pam Bondi is the opposite of Department of Justice. But there's foul number one. Foul number two, he then calls Tulsi Gabbard. Tulsi Gabbard is the director of national intelligence. She has no responsibility at all for election security other than trying to prevent foreigners from interfering in our elections. And she sure as hell doesn't care about that because she has helped oversee the dismantling of all of the election security foreign line influence centers at her office, at the FBI.

11:34Mark Warner:They've cut the cybersecurity agency by a third on election security. So here's somebody who then comes down, shows up creeping around this effort to pick up these court records, kind of furtively wearing a hat, kind of looking like she's a super spy. And she then says, oh, I got asked by the president. Then the president throws her under the bus and says, no, he didn't ask her. And she's scrambling. She then says, well, I've got this statutory authority, which, by the way, is only outward facing. We finally get the underlying request for the search warrant opened. And you're right, man. It's some crazy guy, Ken Olden, who is an election denier.

12:21Mark Warner:He's already been sanctioned by the courts from his malfeasance in 2020. And now he's been brought in somehow in this mysterious position inside the intelligence community to go out and try to go after folks or try to recreate the 2020 election scam or misinformation. I mean, remember, this was the kind of guy who thought about Italian satellites and Venezuelans and, you know, Iranians. It has been totally debunked. So you have this, I think they've got egg on their face right now about how inept that was. And then to make matters worse with Gabbard, you know, she also went down to Puerto Rico and grabbed election machines, never told her oversight committee, never told the gang of eight, which is the highest group that's supposed to look at this stuff.

13:13So we've, we have this rogue

13:16Mark Warner:effort going around trying to spread, I believe, misinformation. The second piece, and I'll be brief and then happy for any follow-up is we got the issue around these roving ICE patrols. I absolutely believe in the ICE reforms. You got to say ICE can't show up at polling stations. Obviously, it doesn't take much to intimidate or get Americans not to vote. And I will get pushback from the MAGA crowd saying, well, Warner, why do you care if ICE is showing up? If you are a registered voter and an American citizen, you have to worry about that bullshit. We do know ICE discriminates hugely, particularly against Latinos.

13:57Mark Warner:We know as well that there are many families that may have some people legal, some people undocumented. But even more importantly, ICE is starting to collect information, personal information about American citizens. There was a person in Minnesota. She was up for a global entry pass. DHS denied her that pass because she showed up at a protest. So the hypothetical I gave is if ICE knows, Ben, that you have an unpaid parking ticket and they know your name and they know your face from some of this technology data sweeps, are you going to go out and vote if there might be the possibility of an ICE person there?

14:38Mark Warner:You're just not going to put up with a hassle. So we have this effort to try to potentially spread misinformation or regurgitate these old theories. We have the potential threat of ICE doesn't even have to show up, but the idea of a threat of there that I believe will intimidate voters. And I think I'm going through right now with election experts, what are the other things we've got to be on guard for? Because I think this is a real threat, unlike anything in the past. In the past, we've mostly seen foreign interference. And I think the foreign interference, particularly the Russians, could amplify the bad stuff.

15:14Mark Warner:But my bigger fear now is domestic interference, some of that potentially originating inside the administration.

15:20Ben Meiselas:Look, I think what you just said coming from any senator would be concerning, but especially your role as the vice chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee and sitting on the Gang of Eight and seeing, or at least in the past when presidents would show things to the Gang of Eight, You know, you have rare access to this type of data and this type of information and to assess threats from a place of a very kind of, you know, sober, you know, top level analysis. And you're seeing you're seeing this, I guess, more broadly sitting on the gang of eight and being a part of this group. You know, I know obviously there's much you can share.

16:04Ben Meiselas:That's the purpose of the Gang of Eight. But also this Trump regime is not sharing things with the Gang of Eight anymore. And often you're learning about things on the news where you would normally be briefed. How has it changed the gang of eight process, you know, with Trump versus in the past in terms of just getting the basic information that's needed? Because this was supposed to be a bipartisan thing when it comes to national intelligence.

16:34Mark Warner:Well, a case in point was, you know, Gabbard going after the voting machines in Puerto Rico. If there was a foreign nexus, it is not her choice. It is her legal duty to report that to the Intelligence Committee or her Oversight Committee. The good news, if there is any good news, is that they have been so outrageous and kind of blowing off that, for example, on this whole other issue, which we've not talked about yet about the whistleblower, there was a whistleblower, which I can't talk about the substance of the complaint. It was greatly redacted by the time we finally saw it. The whistleblower brought a complaint in May.

17:18Mark Warner:She knew about it and was briefed on it in June. It gets pretty technical about, you know, when our obligation to report it to us would be and the legal guidance in terms of how the whistleblower would talk to us. But you cut out all through the details. We didn't find out about it, the Gang of Eight, until November. We didn't get the document until February. and on that case, every one of the gang of eight, including Johnson, including Thune, and Tom Cotton, we all said, this is bullshit. You can't do it this way. So there are still times when we're seeing the excesses get called into question, but maybe it's the most kind of personally disappointing thing I've seen in my whole time in the Senate, and I've been here for a while, is I thought around national security.

18:11Mark Warner:the bipartisan group would hold. And it's not as much. And as you said, I get criticized a lot by Democrats because I've been too bipartisan, because I try to take this job in a sober and serious manner. But when I'm starting to freak out, and I am now, and I'm trying to put together a much more organized plan on how we fight back, but it's so weird, Ben. And it's like, you know, in the past, we spent a lot of time trying to get state and local electorate electing groups to take the, for example, the cyber protections. It's called the Albert system that CISA, the Cyber Infrastructure Security Agency, would put in place.

18:56Mark Warner:Now, state and local electors, I'm trying to say, well, I'm not sure you should talk to CISA. Because I'm not sure they're going to come in with clean hands. that is that's a stunning statement you know it reminds me of you know i teach law over at usc

19:13Ben Meiselas:and i would normally recommend whether it was a republican administration or a democratic administration perhaps even the very first trump administration working at the department of justice i would always say it's such an honorable profession to work at the doj it puts you on a career path to become a judge or you could work in a big firm. And I have to look at the law students in the eyes and I have to say, I want to work at the DOJ. And I don't want you to think that I'm coming at this from a partisan lens. Like they're out there getting sanctioned. Pam Bondi's testimony was one of the most disgraceful things.

19:53Ben Meiselas:Just setting aside politics of just leadership and human behavior. I've never seen anything. And there's just some things, though, that because the media gamifies politics and talks about things, Democrats, Republicans, and independents, we often don't take a step back and just look at things like, that was just awful, like objectively. And so, I mean, as you were watching that, if you've seen the clips from that here, you've seen her testify before the Senate. So, you know, She comes with a burn book and she starts yelling at people. What I saw there was like, in any context, humiliating and atrocious.

20:32Mark Warner:Amen. And, you know, and she was awful. But why? But also we got to take into consideration. And this ties into election security, but it is at a more macro level. the one thing that happened particularly post 9 11 and again back to nixon times was you know the intelligence community's got to speak truth to power even if whoever's president doesn't want to hear it and just as you're not encouraging your law students to go to doj could anybody really encourage the young college grad to go work at the cia right now It takes a long time to get a security clearance. And then are you going to have your analysis work corrupted?

21:17Mark Warner:And we have seen this, Ben, that senior people in what's called one of the National Intelligence Councils got fired early in this administration because their analysis of the bad, bad gang in Venezuela, Trindalagua, they are a bad gang. Maduro was a bad guy. But the president wanted a certain finding, and they said it wasn't true, so they got fired. Or the case of the poor general who was head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, who rightfully said our bombing of the Iranian reactors was really, really good. But he didn't use the term totally obliterated because it was not true, because Iran is already trying to reconstitute.

22:00Mark Warner:He got fired. Or the head of general that was head of the NSA, three-star general. incredible Tim Hawk, incredible reputation under Democrats, Republicans, got fired because of that lunatic, Laura Loomer, went after him online. If we are corrupting our intelligence product to meet the will of this president, or if people are holding back from telling the truth, this country is less safe. And again, don't take my word for it on this. The fact that some of our allies are not willing to share the same level of intelligence with us because they're not sure it will be kept secure. Remember Signalgate, what seemed like a long, long time ago, that was just a tip of other malfeasance.

22:45Mark Warner:This is making America less safe.

22:47Ben Meiselas:That's where I was going to go because that doesn't get enough attention. How our allies view us in terms of intelligence sharing, whether it's Canada, Europe, elsewhere, Australia, what obviously there's some aspects of it that you may not be able to share, but, you know, people don't talk about this enough. Like how bad is it getting out there internationally in terms of, um, you know, nations not trusting us? Because what I find interesting is, you know, you'll have Donald Trump say all of these things that are horrible and horrific about NATO. He'll praise Putin. He'll say all of these things that would seem to, at its core, totally undermine NATO in a way that you think, how the heck, why would they give this guy information?