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The MeidasTouch Podcast - Episode Summary
Episode Title
Furious Zelenskyy Checkmates Trump to Thwart Ambush!!
Episode Description
In this episode, host Ben Meiselas discusses the latest twists in the ongoing negotiations between Ukraine, Russia, and the United States, focusing on Ukrainian President Zelenskyy's strategic maneuvers to combat pressure from Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin during trilateral talks in Geneva.
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Key Points Discussed
- Zelenskyy's Strategic Move
- Context: Zelenskyy attended negotiations in Geneva amid pressure from Trump and Putin, who aimed to corner him into conceding territory in Eastern Ukraine.
- European Support: By calling upon allies like the UK and France, Zelenskyy ensured that they participated in the discussions, disrupting Trump's and Putin's plans to negotiate without European involvement.
- Russian Aggression
- Military Strikes: Prior to the Geneva talks, Russia launched severe missile strikes on Ukraine, emphasizing their aggressive posturing.
- Negotiator's Tactics: The Russian negotiator presented a distorted historical narrative claiming all of Eastern Ukraine belongs to Russia, underscoring the absurdity of their demands.
- U.S. Role and Trump’s Pressure
- Trump's Comments: Trump publicly pressured Ukraine to come to the negotiation table and make concessions, which Zelenskyy rebuffed, emphasizing Ukraine's readiness for peace but not at the cost of sovereignty.
- Critique of U.S. Approach: Zelenskyy criticized the U.S. for focusing on concessions from Ukraine while ignoring Russia's lack of any compromises.
- The Importance of European Involvement
- United Front: The participation of the UK and France highlighted the necessity of European voices in negotiations concerning European security.
- Statement of Intent: Zelenskyy's assertion that "Europe is Ukraine" reinforced the idea that any agreement must involve European interests prominently.
- Zelenskyy's Address and Rejection of Concessions
- Public Address: Zelenskyy made it clear that the Ukrainian people would reject any peace deal that required unilateral concessions of territory to Russia.
- Security Guarantees: A recurring theme in Zelenskyy’s remarks was the need for real security guarantees for Ukraine, emphasizing that negotiations should not just demand concessions from Ukraine but also involve tangible commitments from Russia.
- Future Implications
- Potential for Escalation: The episode warns that any concessions could lead to further Russian aggression, as they might use vacated territories to regroup and launch new offensives.
- Call for Solidarity: The episode concludes with a call for ongoing solidarity among Ukraine, Europe, and allied nations against Russian aggression, highlighting the necessity of a united front.
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Key Takeaways
- Zelenskyy's strategic engagement and insistence on European participation significantly altered the landscape of the Geneva negotiations.
- The episode critiques the U.S. approach under Trump, underscoring the dangers of requiring unilateral concessions from Ukraine.
- The ongoing military aggression from Russia serves as a backdrop to the negotiations, highlighting the urgent need for effective security guarantees for Ukraine.
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Additional Information
- Sponsors: The episode includes sponsorship from Mosh, which offers brain health-focused protein bars.
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This summary encapsulates the critical discussions and arguments presented in the podcast episode, providing insights into the complex geopolitical dynamics involving Ukraine, Russia, and the U.S.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOZelenskyy Thwarts Trump and Putin's Plan
2:07 to 3:52
Discover how Zelenskyy outmaneuvered Trump and Putin's negotiation tactics.
“and put it right into the heart of Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin's plan to try to set a trap in Geneva.”
Russian Strikes Before Negotiations
3:56 to 4:53
Understand the impact of Russian strikes before the Geneva negotiations.
“There should be no peace deal at all because the only peace that exists is Ukraine fully submitting.”
Zelenskyy's Calls for Support
4:54 to 6:30
Learn about Zelenskyy's call for European support during the crisis.
“It was a barrage of Russian missiles, Russian Shahi drones.”
Negotiations and Ukrainian Sovereignty
6:31 to 7:44
Examine Zelenskyy's stance on sovereignty and negotiations with Russia.
“And we always act symmetrically, defending our state and our independence.”
Zelenskyy's Rejection of Concessions
9:54 to 10:15
Learn about Zelenskyy's strong stance against unilateral concessions.
“Zalinsky gave this interview to Axios where he said, Ukrainian people will reject any peace deal that involves Ukraine unilaterally withdrawing from Eastern Donbass.”
Putin's War Mentality and Security Guarantees
10:16 to 14:03
Insights into Putin's motivations and the need for security guarantees.
“And all he does is philosophize about their own historical roots.”
Zelenskyy's Message on Putin and Security
14:03 to 16:17
Explore Zelenskyy's perspective on Putin's war-driven existence and the need for security guarantees.
“lines that zelinski gave in munich and then i'll just show you one other thing where he said you You see, Putin sees himself as a czar, but in reality, he's a slave to war.”
Unity Among Ukraine and Allies
16:17 to 17:14
Discuss the unity of Ukraine with European allies and the implications for global alliances.
“Now, Ukraine has Ukraine working with Europe.”
Transcript
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2:06Ben Meiselas:Ukrainian President Zelensky just took the dagger and put it right into the heart of Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin's plan to try to set a trap in Geneva. Zelensky, joined by the UK and France, smoked out what Donald Trump and Putin were trying to do. You see, yesterday and today, there are trilateral negotiations that are taking place in Geneva between Russia, the United States, and Ukraine. Donald Trump and Putin wanted to use this to pressure Zelensky to give up all of Donbass and most of eastern Ukraine. They were preparing to gang up on Zelensky, corner him, corner his negotiators and say, give up Eastern Ukraine right now or else, and then list numerous threats.
3:06Ben Meiselas:Zelensky saw what was happening. He called up his friends in Europe. He called up the UK. He called up France and their delegation showed up and they were not originally invited to even be there. And UK representatives, French representatives, some European Union representatives showed up and said, what, you're not going to let us in here? If you don't let us in here, then there's no valid negotiation taking place. Ukraine is Europe. Europe is Ukraine. And there can be no deal unless Europe is here. And then we saw what the plan was. Russia had a new negotiator who was at the table, who brought all of his fake history books to say, you see, all of Eastern Ukraine and Ukraine in general belongs to Russia.
4:00Ben Meiselas:There should be no peace deal at all because the only peace that exists is Ukraine fully submitting. Not to mention that before this meeting took place in Geneva, before these negotiations took place, Russia struck Ukraine with some of the worst ballistic missiles and Shahi drone strikes that we've seen since the war began. They hit 12 regions, 400 drones, almost 30 missiles. At least three people were killed. That was right before the Geneva negotiations, the trilateral was set to take place. Then right after the trilateral took place, Russia began the day with 29 missiles of various types trying to strike Ukraine again.
4:52Ben Meiselas:Unfortunately, 25 were shot down. It was a barrage of Russian missiles, Russian Shahi drones. This is how it's described by Dennis Schleiderman. The delegations from the UK and France join the talks between Russia, the US and Ukraine and Geneva without being invited. I think this really messed up the plans to quickly sort everything out behind Europe's back and push for the annexation of Donbass, which is obviously what the US and Russian delegates were planning to do. London and Paris made it clear no agreements about Europe without Europe. It's an extremely important show of support and a demonstration of their position.
5:39Ben Meiselas:Zelensky also posted the following message himself. In the massive strike with which Russians began the day, he talks about how Ukraine was successful in knocking down a lot of these missiles. It's an important result for our air defense. And once again, we emphasize that air defense is a daily necessity. I thank all of our partners who understand this. By the way, That's referring to the fact that the U.S. doesn't understand this. Russia greets with a strike even the very day new formats begin in Geneva, trilateral and bilateral with the United States. This very clearly shows what Russia wants and what it's truly intent on.
6:17Ben Meiselas:Almost 400 drones launched as well. Later today, there will be a report from the delegation following the first round of talks in Geneva. The team absolutely must raise the issue of these strikes. First of all, with the American side, which proposed that both Ukraine and Russia refrain from attacks. Ukraine is ready. We do not need war. And we always act symmetrically, defending our state and our independence. Likewise, we're ready to move quickly toward a just agreement to end the war. The only question is for the Russians. What do they want? And also, whether there will be consequences for Russia for the fact that the Shahid missiles and fantasy chatter about history matter more to them than real diplomacy and lasting peace.
7:01Ben Meiselas:And the whole time you have Donald Trump, like when he was on Air Force One the other day, threatening Ukraine. He's saying Ukraine better come to the table fast. Ukraine better do this. Ukraine better do that. Ukraine's at the table. Ukraine's agreeing to a ceasefire. Ukraine's agreeing to elections. Ukraine's agreeing to a referendum to also give up portions of Donbass and to give up portions of Eastern Ukraine. All Ukraine is saying is we need a ceasefire, a real lasting ceasefire, and then we can have our people be able to vote and to be able to make this determination, self-determination, sovereignty.
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9:54Ben Meiselas:Zalinsky gave this interview to Axios where he said, Ukrainian people will reject any peace deal that involves Ukraine unilaterally withdrawing from Eastern Donbass. And this new negotiator, Vladimir Medinsky, he just showed up to try to stall and to try to blow this up. And all he does is philosophize about their own historical roots. It's like Trump's meandering psychotic speeches where Trump's like, this is how you make America great again. Mendisky's like, this is how you make Russia great again. This is our land. This is our territory. And Zelensky's like, look, you want to talk about troop withdrawal.
10:38Ben Meiselas:I'm down to talk about it. Why don't we freeze the current battle lines where they are? Why would we give up areas that Russia's unable to conquer? Because the moment we give up those battle lines, they're going to use it to then go further and further into Ukraine. They're going to use this, that which they can't conquer through military means, in order to then rearm, build up its forces, and then go again on the offensive. That's why we need real security guarantees. Zelensky says it's not fair that Trump kept publicly calling on Ukraine and not Russia to make concessions. And his conversations with Kushner and Witkoff don't involve that kind of pressure that he says Trump is now using in public.
11:24Ben Meiselas:He's like, what the hell are you even trying to do? Here's what Trump, here's what he's referring to. Here's what Trump said aboard Air Force One. Here, play this clip. You're going to have Ukraine talks tomorrow as well in Geneva with a quick call from Jericho. What are you expecting there? Is there a big talks? It's going to be very easy. I mean, look, so far, Ukraine better come to the table fast. That's all I'm telling you. We are in a position. We want them to come. and zelinski made it very clear in munich ukraine's ready for a deal that brings real peace to ukraine and europe here play this clip dear friends ukraine is ready for a deal that brings real peace to us to ukraine to europe and i'm confident that this war can be ended and ended with dignity this is the most important for us but he says putin's like hitler you can't do a deal with hitler really you think that you can do a deal with the modern day hitler here play this clip and it seems putin hopes to repeat munich and not munich 2007 when they only spoke about dividing europe but munich 1938 when previous putin began dividing europe in reality it would be an illusion to believe that this war can now be reliably ended by dividing Ukraine, just as it was an illusion to believe that sacrificing Czechoslovakia would save Europe from a great war.
13:05Ben Meiselas:And then Zelensky talked about in Munich, this idea of concessions. You want this concession, that concession. America turns to concessions, but what about security guarantees? and why is it always ukraine give give give when we've given everything what russia hasn't given one concession here play this clip the americans often return to the topic of concessions and too often those concessions are discussed in the context only of ukraine not russia europe is practically practically not present at the table it's a big mistake to my mind and it is we i think we ukrainians we ukrainians who are trying to bring europe fully into the process so that europe's interests and voice and i think here is that one of the most important lines that zelinski gave in munich and then i'll just show you one other thing where he said you You see, Putin sees himself as a czar, but in reality, he's a slave to war.
14:13Ben Meiselas:And all he could, you imagine Putin with no war? His very existence is based on war and killing people. And here's what Zelensky has to say. Here, play this clue. He may see himself as a czar, but in reality, he is a slave to war. And if he lives another 10 years, we can understand it can be war can returns or expand. That is why we say there must be real security guarantees. Now, as I mentioned, the French delegation showed up in Geneva, thankfully. And here's what French President Macron previewed what the French delegation was going to do. Play this clip. As all the allies, we have to be the one to negotiate this new architecture of security for Europe the day after, because our geography will not change.
15:14We will live with Russia at the same place and the Europeans at the same place. And I don't want this negotiation to be organized by somebody else.
15:24Ben Meiselas:More from French President Emmanuel Macron right here as well. Let's play this clip right here. One day, Russians will have to recon with the enormity of the crime committed in their name, with the futility of the pretexts and the devastating longer term effects on their country. But until what time comes, that time comes, we will not lower the gold. And as Barack Ravind explains, two sources with knowledge told me that negotiations in the political group in Geneva got stuck today. The sources said the reason was that the positions presented by the new Russian chief negotiator, Vladimir Medinsky, made it impossible to have any discussions.
16:08Ben Meiselas:As our editor-in-chief, Ron Filipkowski, says, this comes less than 24 hours after Trump once again said Ukraine was the problem. Now, Ukraine has Ukraine working with Europe. Europe is Ukraine. Ukraine is Europe. Putting on a united front and making it very clear that Europe is fully united. They won't bend. They won't break. They won't be ripped apart by the United States. I think that was a critical move. Also, this is now connected with Canada. This is connected with Australia. This is now connected there. I think that's very important as well. to point out. And I mean, you really have what appear, you know, the alliances are clear, right?
16:54Ben Meiselas:It's US and Russia. Sickening, but that's what it is. And it was Ukraine, Europe, Canada, Australia, you know, basically together right there. So we'll keep you posted every step of the way. But that's where we're at right now. Hit subscribe. Let's get to 6 million. And thanks to everybody for watching.
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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Ukrainian President Zelenskyy flipping the script on Donald Trump in Geneva as Trump and Putin tried to ambush him.
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