Ghislaine Fears for Her Life After Trump Response

23 Jul 2025 · 26 min · 11 chapters

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Claims that Ghislaine Maxwell fears she may be killed after Trump DOJ plans to meet her, amid renewed debate over Jeffrey Epstein’s death and release of “Epstein files,” plus allegations of Trump’s involvement and prior DOJ actions.

Guest backgrounds

No podcast guests are interviewed. The episode references public figures (Pam Bondi, Todd Blanche, Ian Maxwell, Mark Epstein, Maria Farmer, Virginia Giuffre, Tim Burchett, Mike Johnson, Alex Acosta, Maureen Comey) rather than guests.

Key claims

Bondi and Blanche will personally meet Maxwell with FBI agents; Maxwell’s brother says she fears for her safety and that Epstein may have been murdered; DOJ/FBI review found no evidence against uncharged third parties; Trump allegedly called the situation a hoax/witch hunt; Congress recess is to give Trump “space” to handle Epstein.

Notable examples

Maxwell’s alleged fear after subpoena; Epstein suicide dispute with forensic pathologist; Mark Epstein says Trump was in Epstein’s office; CNN photos/claims of Trump with Epstein; Maria Farmer account of Trump entering Epstein’s office; Virginia Giuffre’s Mar-a-Lago spa recruitment/training allegations.

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Ghislaine Maxwell's Fears

1:01 to 2:32

Exploration of Ghislaine Maxwell's fears stemming from Trump’s DOJ meeting.

“It seems she's afraid that Donald Trump may try to kill her or send people to kill her.”

Epstein's Death and Conspiracy Theories

2:33 to 4:25

Discussion on the circumstances surrounding Jeffrey Epstein's death and its implications.

“Last week, Daily Mail revealed exclusively that Epstein's longtime girlfriend and right-hand woman Maxwell, 63, is willing to speak in front of Congress about the Epstein files.”

The Role of Congress in the Subpoena

4:26 to 6:09

Insight into the congressional actions regarding Ghislaine Maxwell’s subpoena.

“For sure, she remains at great, if not greater risk, and has expressed her real concerns about this to me.”

DOJ's Approach to Maxwell

6:10 to 8:10

Analysis of the Department of Justice's current dealings with Ghislaine Maxwell.

“There were no connections with Donald Trump.”

Trump's Comments on Maxwell

8:11 to 10:46

Review of Donald Trump's past comments regarding Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein.

“And they're clearly telling her through, I think, that first paragraph, basically, say you saw nothing and maybe we can talk.”

MAGA Mike Johnson's Statement

12:12 to 14:01

Discussion on MAGA Mike Johnson's remarks about Congress and Trump’s strategy.

“As Aaron Rupert says, Trump sounded guilty as hell talking about Ghislaine Maxwell then during her sex trafficking trial when Donald Trump said, I wish her well.”

Trump's Connection to Epstein Revealed

14:01 to 15:40

Learn about Mark Epstein's claims regarding Donald Trump's presence in Jeffrey Epstein's office.

“I've said many times, there's no daylight between the White House and the House.”

Friendship Between Trump and Epstein

15:41 to 17:20

Discover the details of the friendship between Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein as revealed through Mark Epstein's statements.

“Mark, you know, from what you know, from what you saw, how close was your brother to Donald Trump?”

Maria Farmer's Allegations Against Trump

17:21 to 20:50

Explore Maria Farmer's disturbing account of her experience with Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein.

“Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell raped Maria Farmer in 1996.”

Virginia Giuffre's Testimony

20:51 to 22:49

Understand Virginia Giuffre's experiences and her claims regarding trafficking and her encounters at Mar-a-Lago.

“Virginia Roberts was working in the spa at Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach when British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell introduced her to multimillionaire Jeffrey Epstein.”
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1:00Ben Meiselas:Wow. So Ghislaine Maxwell now fears for her life. It seems she's afraid that Donald Trump may try to kill her or send people to kill her. This after Donald Trump's Department of Justice says that they're going to be meeting with her. Donald Trump's attorney general, Pam Bondi. I believe it's very threatening, her statement. She says that I am personally the attorney general of the United States. I am personally going to speak with Ghislaine Maxwell. Then the deputy attorney general, Todd Blanche, who happens to also have been Donald Trump's criminal defense attorney during the case where Trump was convicted on 34 felony counts.

1:41Ben Meiselas:He's now the number two at the Department of Justice. He says he's also going to meet with Ghislaine Maxwell along with FBI agents. So Ghislaine is absolutely terrified something's going to happen to her the way something happened to Jeffrey Epstein. Now, the official report with Jeffrey Epstein is that he died by suicide. But Ghislaine Maxwell says no way he died by suicide. He didn't expect he was going to even be convicted based on the non-prosecution agreement that he entered into with Donald Trump's former labor secretary. then United States attorney for the Southern District of Florida, Alex Acosta, and that there was no reason why she thinks Epstein would ever have died by suicide.

2:24Ben Meiselas:So the Daily Mail got the exclusive that she fears for her life. This, by the way, comes from her brother, who says that he's been told by Ghislaine that she's afraid someone's going to kill her. Here's how the Daily Mail reports it. Last week, Daily Mail revealed exclusively that Epstein's longtime girlfriend and right-hand woman Maxwell, 63, is willing to speak in front of Congress about the Epstein files. Now, her brother, Ian, is revealing her sister's frame of mind in the wake of the botched release of all of the files. Now, another important thing to note, a MAGA Republican Congress member who actually wants the files released, Congress member Tim Burchett, he snuck in a voice vote to have a subpoena issued for Ghislaine Maxwell when some of the other MAGA Republicans were not paying attention and able to block it.

3:19Ben Meiselas:So he was able to get Democrats and Republicans to vote for the subpoena of Ghislaine Maxwell. So as soon as that subpoena for Ghislaine Maxwell's deposition from Congress went out or was issued, then MAGA Mike Johnson shuts down Congress. us. He says, we're going into recess. We're leaving. And then I'll show you this clip in a little bit. Maga Mike Johnson says, the reason we're doing this is we need to give Donald Trump space to figure out how he's going to handle the Epstein situation. And what Donald Trump's attorney general, Pam Bondi then said she was going to do. And Todd Blanche, Donald Trump's former criminal defense attorney, now deputy attorney general, they're saying they're personally meeting with her and she's absolutely terrified right now.

4:07Ben Meiselas:So here's more from this Daily Mail story. Let's bring out all the receipts here, folks. Ian Maxwell communicates regularly with Ghislaine Maxwell in jail on the phone and she told the time she fears for her safety. Prisons are very dangerous places and we know from Ghislaine that there are serious staff shortages and more dangerous higher risk category prisoners now being admitted to Tallahassee, said Ian Maxwell. For sure, she remains at great, if not greater risk, and has expressed her real concerns about this to me. He also said his older sister believes that Epstein may have been murdered, contradicting the DOJ and FBI's belief in the official theory that he committed suicide.

4:51Ben Meiselas:The contemporaneous investigation of Epstein's death was caught short, cursory, and frankly shoddy. Certainly as regards the duties guard story, the night he died, at least one distinguished independent forensic pathologist concurred with the Epstein family appointed pathologist that homicide was more likely than suicide. He added. So here's the statement now from Pam Bondi after she said she was not releasing any lists or files. And then Donald Trump said it was all a hoax created by James Comey, former President Obama, Hillary Clinton, and former President Biden. Pam Bondi issues this statement yesterday.

5:31Ben Meiselas:This Department of Justice does not shy away from uncomfortable truths, nor from the responsibility to pursue justice, wherever the facts may lead. The joint statement by the DOJ and FBI of July 6th remains as accurate today as it was when it was written, namely that in recent thorough review of the files maintained by the FBI in the Epstein case, no evidence was uncovered that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties. That's an important paragraph as I read the rest of it to you, because this is what I think that she, Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche want Ghislaine Maxwell to say in return to potentially give Ghislaine a pardoned or have her have a retrial if she just says that paragraph.

6:14Ben Meiselas:There's nothing that I saw. I'm unaware of anything. There were no connections with Donald Trump. And then the DOJ and Trump want to go case close and then probably give her a pardon when Donald Trump leaves office as a last minute pardon and kind of make that promise to Ghislaine. Let me go on and read more. President Trump has told us to release all credible evidence. It's actually not what he said. He first said he said it's a hoax, that this is all made up, that it's one big witch hunt is actually what he said. If Ghislaine Maxwell has information about anyone who has committed crimes against victims, the FBI and the DOJ will hear what she has to say.

6:51Ben Meiselas:Therefore, at the direction of Attorney General Bondi, I have communicated with counsel for Ms. Maxwell to determine whether she would be willing to speak with prosecutors from the department. I anticipate meeting with Ms. Maxwell in the coming days. Until now, no administration on behalf of the department had inquired about her willingness to meet with the government. That changes now. Now, how odd is this? The United States Attorney General, the number one DOJ lawyer, the top prosecutor in the United States is going to be the one to meet with Ghislaine Maxwell. Also, her number two, Todd Blanche.

7:29Ben Meiselas:I want you to think about how odd that is. And this is false. The Department of Justice did previously reach out to Ghislaine Maxwell. You know when? When they prosecuted her successfully for sex trafficking and she was convicted and sentenced to over 20 years. There was a prosecutor from the DOJ. You know what her name was? Maureen Comey. She was the lead prosecutor in the Southern District of New York who prosecuted Ghislaine Maxwell. So what does Maureen Comey think about all of this now? Oh, wait, last week, the Trump regime fired Maureen Comey, the lead prosecutor against Epstein and the lead prosecutor against Ghislaine Maxwell.

8:08Ben Meiselas:So do you see what the Trump regime did there? And this is why I also think Ghislaine Maxwell is scared and terrified. And they're clearly telling her through, I think, that first paragraph, basically, say you saw nothing and maybe we can talk. Maybe there's a deal that can be made. Remember that Ghislaine Maxwell's family previously wrote an open letter that they published online saying, Donald, you should honor deals. There was a non-prosecution agreement entered into by your former labor secretary, the United States attorney from the Southern District of Florida, who said that you couldn't prosecute Epstein and you couldn't prosecute Epstein's co-conspirators.

8:46Ben Meiselas:honor that deal. And now we're seeing this. Then they fire Maureen Comey, the lead prosecutor, who would never be OK with the attorney general and Todd Blanche having an unmonitored conversation with Ghislaine Maxwell in this type of way, in this type of forum. Todd Blanche, the number two, the deputy attorney general, Trump's former criminal defense lawyer. He says justice demand courage. For the first time, the Department of Justice is reaching out to Ghislaine Maxwell to ask, what do you know? How could you not interpret that as a threat? And again, that's not the first time. The first time the government reached out was when they criminally prosecuted her back in 2019.

9:27Ben Meiselas:At Attorney General Pam Bondi's direction, I've contacted her counsel. I intend to meet with her soon. No one is above the law and no lead is off limits. And again, I interpret that as a threat. So then Donald Trump was asked in the Oval Office during that bizarre presser that he did with the President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. of Philippines. Trump was asked, do you support the DOJ seeking an interview with Ghislaine Maxwell? Here's what Trump said. Let's play it. Do you support the Justice Department seeking an interview with Ghislaine Maxwell? Do you urge the Attorney General to see her? I don't know anything about it.

10:05They're going to what? Meet her?

10:13Yeah, I don't know about it, but I think it's something that would be sounds appropriate to do. Do you think you're sorry that your deputy attorney general is your former attorney? No, I don't know. He's very he's a very talented person. He's very smart. I didn't know that they were going to do it. I don't really follow that too much. It's sort of a witch hunt, just a continuation of the witch hunt. The witch hunt that you should be talking about is they caught President Obama absolutely cold.

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12:26Ben Meiselas:I hope she does good. Of course I wish her well. Epstein died. Didn't that other guy die in prison? He said. So I hope that doesn't happen to her. Listen to Donald Trump in his own words in 2020. Let's play it. I don't know. I haven't really been following it too much. I just wish her well, frankly. I've met her numerous times over the years, especially since I lived in Palm Beach. And I guess they lived in Palm Beach. But I wish her well, whatever it is. Mr. President, Ghislaine Maxwell has been arrested on allegations of child sex trafficking. Why would you wish such a person well? Well, first of all, I don't know that, but I do know that.

13:02She has. She's been arrested for that. Her friend or boyfriend... Epstein. ...was either killed or committed suicide in jail. She's now in jail. Uh-huh. Yeah, I wish her well. I'd wish you well. I'd wish a lot of people well. Good luck. Let them prove somebody was guilty. I mean, you do know that she's... Oh, so you're saying you hope she doesn't die in jail. Is that what you mean by wish her well? Her boyfriend died in jail, and people are still trying to figure out, how did it happen? Was it suicide? Was he killed? and I do wish her well. I'm not looking for anything bad for her. I'm not looking bad for anybody.

13:32And they took that and made it such a big deal. But all it is, is her boyfriend died. He died in jail. Was he killed? Was it suicide?

13:43Ben Meiselas:I do. I wish her well. Okay. Now here is MAGA Mike Johnson saying that he's going to bring Congress into recess so that Donald Trump can have the opportunity. The space is what Mag and Mike says. Let's give Trump the space to figure out how to deal with this. Here's Mag and Mike saying in his own words, let's play it. I've said many times, there's no daylight between the White House and the House. You have to allow the legislation to ripen and you also have to allow the administration the space to do what it is doing. The president has said clearly, and he has now ordered his DOJ to do what it is we've all needed DOJ to do for years now.

14:19And that is to get everything released. So they're in the process of that. There's there's no purpose for Congress to push an administration to do something that they're already doing.

14:27Ben Meiselas:OK, it's all adding up right now. What additional data do we know? Mark Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein's brother, he just did an interview with CNN where he responds to a question or the White House statement that Trump was never in Epstein's office. And Mark Epstein's brother's like, of course he was in Epstein's office. He was there all the time. Here play this clip. Something that the White House told us yesterday. We talked to a woman who accused your brother of sexual assault. And she also talked about an encounter with Trump at your brother's office. This was in 1995. She found it disturbing. She said she told the FBI twice to look into people around your brother, including Trump.

15:08But she she talked about this incident that she said happened in his office. And the White House, their response to us, Mark, they were categorical. They said, quote, the president was never in Epstein's office. Is that true? That's just another blatant lie because he was there. People that work for Jeffrey in his office, you can find him. They can testify that they saw Trump in Jeffrey's office on numerous occasions. So for him to say he wasn't there, all I can say is that's just another lie.

15:38Ben Meiselas:Now, Mark Epstein says that again. Let's play it. Mark, you know, from what you know, from what you saw, how close was your brother to Donald Trump? They were very close. They were good friends. Jeff used to sometimes tell me things that Donald said that were funny. I know Donald was in Jeff's office a lot back in the 90s. It's documented that Donald flew on Jeff's plane a number of times. I don't know if they ever checked, but I know Jeff flew on Donald's plane also. I don't know if they've ever looked at his flight logs. And they were good friends. I flew on Jeff's plane. It's known I was on a plane in 1999, flying up from Florida, and Donald was with us.

16:23Ben Meiselas:We were all joking around. They were good friends. CNN also was able to dig up additional photos of Donald Trump with Epstein. Here, let's play this clip. Of Epstein entering the reception at the Plaza Hotel. We can also see him in the background of another picture. That's Howard Stern on the far right, along with Robin Leach from Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. And Epstein is behind them at the wedding, almost seeming to be photobombing them. We also found this photo from just a few months earlier, Donald Trump with two of his children talking to Jeffrey Epstein. That's at the opening of the Harley Davidson Cafe in New York in October 1993.

17:00You can see Ivana there. She would have been just about to turn 12 years old in that photo. Yeah, you can see Ivanka right there between it looks like between Trump and Epstein. All right. These are never before seen photos.

17:14Ben Meiselas:Now, back in June, July rather of 2023, Jesse Waters ran this exclusive. Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell raped Maria Farmer in 1996. When she called the FBI, they hung up on her. They let him off the hook and with a sweetheart plea deal in 2008. How many other abused women were there because the FBI did nothing? So Fox previously presented Maria Farmer as a valid, authentic witness against Epstein. Well, now with audio surfacing of Maria Farmer saying, I was in Epstein's office, okay? And Donald Trump shows up and Donald Trump points at me. And then Epstein says, no, no, she's not the one for you.

18:00Ben Meiselas:Go in there go in the other room maria farmer was in the office epstein's office with trump and epstein here play this clip the time that is most memorable to me is the time when he hit on me because i was in the office it was one of the first times i started working for um donald trump's a sleaze bag okay yes um it was when i started working for epstein and it was nine o 'clock at night and Jeffrey Epstein's office is totally empty. I told the New York Times this, but of course they don't do the whole thing, right? Even though Mike Baker is amazing, but they would not allow him to tell the truth.

18:37So basically I go into this office, it's nine o 'clock at night and I sit down and a few minutes later and I'm wearing running clothes. Okay, so it was really weird. It's nine o 'clock at night and I'm wearing running clothes because I didn't have money. So I did jog up there. And so I just struggled, you know, for so long. So I'm like up there in the office, seated, and I've got my running clothes on, so my legs are showing. And in walks this man that when I reported him to the FBI, I said that game show host, Donald Trump, because I played with a game show host. He's so cheesy. But anyway, so I said, I mean, I said hello to him.

19:20He walks in and I just kind of acknowledged him like a head nod or something. And he immediately starts, he's standing across the room from me and I'm seated. And he's like, oh, Maria. I mean, no, he didn't. Sorry. I was just looking at something. He's standing across the room and he's looking at me and I'm like, oh, gross. You know, this guy's so gross. Anyway, he's just looking, glaring at my legs. Like, yum. I told my sister, I felt like I was his dinner or his lunch. You know? Yeah. The way he was looking at me. So Epstein comes in and by the way, I did not look good. I was like, I'm not a pretty, I'm not exceptionally beautiful or anything like that.

20:02These are just gross people. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I'm just like a normal person who went on a run and I'm seated there. So he assumed I was there for him and this is how I know Epstein walks up to him and he goes, no, no, she's not here for you. And they were smirking and Epstein whispered something. He goes, go in there and so Trump at nine o 'clock at night goes in the other room. There's someone in there for him.

20:25Ben Meiselas:Right, right. I don't know who, but Epstein said, no, no, no, she's not here for you. And Virginia Giuffre, who recently allegedly died by suicide in Australia, she talked about when she was an underage girl, how she was a towel girl at Mar-a-Lago. She was homeless. She then got a job as the towel girl in the Mar-a-Lago spa. And that's where Ghislaine Maxwell found her and brought her to Epstein to be sex trafficked. And then she was sex trafficked. Here, play this clip. Virginia Roberts was working in the spa at Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach when British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell introduced her to multimillionaire Jeffrey Epstein.

21:02The training started immediately. I mean, it was everything down to how to give a blowjob, how to be quiet, be subservient, give Jeffrey what he wants. A lot of this training came from Ghislaine herself. And being a woman, it kind of surprises you that a woman could actually let stuff like that happen. But not only let it happen, but to groom you into doing it. And then there's Jeffrey, who's telling you, I want it this way. No, go slower and don't do that and do this.

21:32Ben Meiselas:And here is Virginia Giuffre saying it again. Here play this clip. I was recruited at a very young age from Mar-a-Lago and entrapped in a world that I didn't understand. And I've been fighting that very world to this day. And I won't stop fighting. I will never be silenced until these people are brought to justice. Happened at Mar-a-Lago. There's also in Ghislaine Maxwell's trial, a 14-year-old girl who testified as Jane Doe, that Ghislaine Maxwell brought her over and introduced her to Donald Trump in a civil case regarding that circumstance. That 14-year-old girl said that Donald Trump basic or Epstein made remarks to Donald.

22:11Ben Meiselas:What do you think about this one? How do you think about what do you like this one? So those are just the facts that are out there. So we know what's out there already. And I understand why Ghislaine Maxwell must fear for her life, given all of these circumstances and what the Trump regime is now saying and what Maga Mike is saying. So you have all the data, folks. I've laid it out, I think, pretty clearly. Judge it how you will. I laid out a lot here, in my opinion, how she must feel. But you heard her brother. So that's not opinion, what her brother said. So think about what you feel. Hit subscribe.

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