Ghislaine Gets Special Favor from Trump for Deposition

3 Aug 2025 · 21 min · 9 chapters

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In short

Ghislaine Maxwell’s canceled August 11 deposition, allegedly delayed by House Republicans after she received DOJ “immunity/queen for the day” status and was moved to Camp Bryant in Texas; discussion also centers on redactions in the Epstein files and whether Trump/DOJ/FBI are obstructing transparency.

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Key claims

Maxwell’s lawyer David Oscar Marcus demanded immunity, advance question lists, and postponement until after the Supreme Court rules on her petition; House Oversight chair James Comer (and Mike Johnson) agreed. The DOJ/FBI allegedly redacted Donald Trump references in Epstein-related materials. The episode suggests Trump may later pardon/commute Maxwell.

Notable examples

Todd Blanche meeting Maxwell in Tallahassee; Virginia Giuffre’s family statements; references to Alex Acosta’s non-prosecution agreement and potential habeas corpus/new trial.

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Introduction to Ghislaine Maxwell's Case

0:00 to 0:24

Discussion begins on Ghislaine Maxwell's canceled deposition and the implications.

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Introduction to Ghislaine Maxwell's Case

1:30 to 2:26

Discussion begins on Ghislaine Maxwell's canceled deposition and the implications.

“When it matters most, you want the truth from the voices you trust.”

The Cancellation of Her Deposition

2:26 to 4:36

Highlights the demands made by Maxwell's lawyer that led to the deposition's cancellation.

“Yep, Ghislaine Maxwell just got MAGA Mike Johnson and the MAGA Republicans in the House of Representatives to cancel her deposition.”

Maxwell's Legal Maneuvers

4:36 to 6:45

Explores Ghislaine Maxwell's legal strategies and demands regarding her case.

“for future crimes based on whatever you tell us.”

GOP's Response and Negotiation

6:45 to 9:04

Details the GOP's approach to negotiating with Maxwell and the implications of these actions.

“That's what MAGA Mike means when he says, I want to give Donald Trump the space to do what he needs to do.”

Trump's Influence on Maxwell's Case

9:04 to 12:40

Discussion on how Trump’s administration has affected Ghislaine Maxwell's situation and potential outcomes.

“habeas corpus petition to the federal court in New York, she's going to ask for a new trial there.”

Public Reaction and Accountability

12:40 to 14:00

Reflects on the public's response to the handling of Maxwell's case by the GOP and calls for transparency.

“Writing her petition will be considered at the court's conference on September 29.”

Ghislaine Maxwell's Immunity and Trump's Response

14:00 to 19:40

Discussion on Ghislaine Maxwell receiving immunity and Trump's evasive answers regarding the Epstein case.

“They moved her to the Southeast Texas prison.”

Ghislaine Maxwell's Immunity and Trump's Response

21:11 to 21:38

Discussion on Ghislaine Maxwell receiving immunity and Trump's evasive answers regarding the Epstein case.

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2:24Ben Meiselas:Well, that was quick. Roll over, MAGA Mike Johnson. Good boy. Yep, Ghislaine Maxwell just got MAGA Mike Johnson and the MAGA Republicans in the House of Representatives to cancel her deposition. Her deposition was scheduled to take place on August 11th at the Tallahassee prison where she was serving her 20-plus year prison sentence after she was convicted of sex trafficking multiple underage girls. But Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyer, David Oscar Marcus, had a list of demands for MAGA Mike Johnson and James Comer. Comer chairs the House Oversight Committee. And Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyer said, we're the ones dictating the terms.

3:08Ben Meiselas:Yep, the convicted sex trafficker is going to tell you MAGA Republicans in the House how this is going to go down. You understand? And they folded to her and canceled her deposition. They've indefinitely postponed it until sometime, there's no date scheduled, after the United States Supreme Court rules on her petition for certiorari to have her case where she was convicted of sex trafficking. Either she gets a retrial or get that case dismissed, or perhaps Donald Trump gives her a pardon or a commutation. So Ghislaine Maxwell was emboldened, right? The Trump regime Department of Justice gave her what's called queen for the day status about two weeks ago or so, right?

3:58Ben Meiselas:They gave her immunity. Donald Trump's former criminal defense attorney, who Trump made the number two at the Department of Justice, Todd Blanche, who was friends, by the way, with Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyer, David Oscar Marcus. Well, they all met up in Tallahassee, Florida, and they met for two days for approximately nine to 10 hours. And the Department of Justice said, Ghislaine, anything you tell us about the crimes you may have committed, we're going to give you immunity for all of that stuff. You didn't testify at your criminal trial. You didn't cooperate with the DOJ then. But we are going to help you out and give you immunity to prevent you from getting prosecuted for future crimes based on whatever you tell us.

4:44Ben Meiselas:Now, did the Department of Justice release the transcripts of that interview? Did they take transcripts of that interview with Ghislaine Maxwell? Did they make recordings? Well, they ain't releasing anything there. And now we've also learned that Donald Trump, that Donald Trump's Department of Justice and FBI redacted all of the references to Donald Trump, meaning they removed all of the references to Donald Trump in the Epstein files. That's what the DOJ is doing. So after Ghislaine Maxwell meets with Trump's DOJ, they dangle a pardon in front of her. A few things happen as well. She gets moved, you know that now, right?

5:21Ben Meiselas:From the Tallahassee prison to a minimum security prison called Camp Bryant in Southeast Texas. As a sex trafficker, you're not allowed to be there. So Trump's DOJ waived that and said, okay, sex trafficker, you can go in a minimum security facility. This was the facility that Ghislaine Maxwell wanted to be at. This is part of the steps towards giving her a computation or a pardon if she plays ball with Donald Trump. And so she was emboldened, right? So Congress previously subpoenaed her deposition for August 11th. Do you remember my reporting how the The Democrats outmaneuvered the Republicans before Magamite Johnson recessed Congress and shut down the House of Representatives in order to give Donald Trump space in order to figure out how he was going to cover up everything.

6:17Ben Meiselas:Do you remember my reporting on that? And so the Democrats were able to force the hand of the House Oversight Committee to schedule this deposition for August 11th. But that creates a problem because Ghislaine Maxwell doesn't want, you know, Ghislaine Maxwell's got to fulfill the cover up with the Trump regime. And, you know, MAGA Mike and James Comer and these MAGA Republicans really don't want that taking place. They want to deep six and kill all this information from ever getting out. I mean, that's their plan. That's what MAGA Mike means when he says, I want to give Donald Trump the space to do what he needs to do.

6:54Ben Meiselas:It's all of these things. Move Ghislaine to Texas. Give her immunity from the DOJ. make her emboldened. She issues the demand, you know, these demands to Congress and Congress capitulates. So sorry, what were her demands to Congress, right? Number one, that she'd be given immunity. Number two, that her deposition gets canceled and postponed rather. She says postponed until after the Supreme Court rules on her petition for a retrial or if they basically dismiss the case and find that a non-prosecution agreement entered into by the Republican United States attorney, Alex Acosta, who became Donald Trump's labor secretary in his first administration, if that's binding, her case may get dismissed.

7:38Ben Meiselas:So she goes, I ain't sitting for no deposition until the Supreme Court hears my appeal. Remember my coverage two weeks ago or so when she filed that appeal to the United States Supreme Court? She says, I ain't doing it in Tallahassee. I get to dictate where it takes place. And she goes, I want all of the questions in advance. That's what she said are my requirements. Now, while the Democrats were able to outmaneuver the MAGA Republicans to get her deposition, what the MAGA Republicans are doing now to try to delay and stall this and to try to stop the public from caring about this anymore, which they ain't doing a good job about because we're the media now.

8:18Ben Meiselas:We control the news now and we're explaining what the hell is going on and your corruption and your cover up. And that GOP stands for the guardians of the pedos right now. But what the Republicans have done in response to try to cover this up is they go, sure. Yes, we have to give a deposition, but we are going to negotiate with Ghislaine and we're going to set her deposition. But her lawyer has made certain requests and demands. So we are negotiating in good faith with Ghislaine's lawyer. So yes, yes, Ghislaine and your lawyer, we will postpone matters until after the Supreme Court rules on your petition.

8:57Ben Meiselas:But one of the things Ghislaine said also in her letter was after a ruling on her forthcoming habeas corpus petition to the federal court in New York, she's going to ask for a new trial there. And as I've been telling you for weeks now, Donald Trump gave her a golden ticket to get a retrial. Trump may not even have to pardon her or give her a commutation because the combination of what's going on with the Supreme Court and Trump giving her a golden ticket with the Southern District of New York Federal Court may be enough because she's going to say, hey, the president says the Epstein situation is all a hoax.

9:34Ben Meiselas:The FBI tampered with the file. The former prosecutor who Donald Trump just fired, who prosecuted me, Maureen Comey, her dad, according to Donald Trump, James Comey, was the creator of the Epstein hoax. So judge, whether you believe Trump or not, I now have to explore that in a new trial. So I deserve a new trial. And now she's telling Congress, you can't take my deposition until I make those arguments. So first, the Supreme Court has to make its ruling. what late September and then she's going to do her what she calls her forthcoming habeas corpus petition when does that get ruled on October November December so the point of all of this is she effectively pushes her deposition till sometime in 2026 and she could avoid and this is what the Republicans are trying to avoid her invoking her fifth amendment right against self-incrimination because the Republicans realized, damn, how shady is it going to look if she invokes her Fifth Amendment rights against us, but she did not invoke her Fifth Amendment rights with respect to Trump and Trump's former criminal defense lawyer, and they gave her this immunity.

10:50Ben Meiselas:That sure is going to look shady, wouldn't it? So you just take a look at this letter from James Comer, and James Comer says, we've got the letter, Ghislaine, from your lawyer, the committee, the House Oversight Committee, and your counsel engaged in good faith negotiations, including regarding the date and location of the deposition. Then they go on to say in this letter, your testimony is vital to the committee's efforts regarding Mr. Jeffrey Epstein, including the 2007 prosecution agreement and circumstances surrounding Mr. Epstein's death. These investigative efforts may be used to form potential legislation to improve federal efforts to combat sex trafficking and reform the use of non-prosecution agreements and or plea agreements in sex crime investigations.

11:41Ben Meiselas:Pause there. Do you see the little favor that James Comer and the MAGA Republicans are giving her there by saying that we are potentially exploring how to reform non-prosecution agreement deals entered into by United States attorneys. Aren't they somewhat tacitly admitting that there was a problem with the non-prosecution agreement that was entered into the first place and that she may be bound by it, and there's nothing that they can do about it, and thus they need to explore legislation to deal with the mistake that was made by Alex Acosta, who became Trump's labor secretary? Then they go on.

12:20Ben Meiselas:Comer goes on to say, we will continue in good faith negotiations with you. And then she says the committee will continue its longstanding practice of engaging in forthright and detailed discussions about scoping. Comer then states that the committee will agree to delay the deposition date until after the U.S. Supreme Court rules on her appeal. Writing her petition will be considered at the court's conference on September 29. And then in response to Comer's letter, Maxwell's attorney, David Oscar Marcus, they respond as follow. We acknowledge Chairman Comer's letter and appreciate the committee's willingness to delay Ms.

12:58Ben Meiselas:Maxwell's deposition while her case is pending before the Supreme Court. We will continue to engage with Congress in good faith to find a way for Ms. Maxwell to share her information without compromising her constitutional rights. Do you see the way that the MAGA Republicans are treating her? They're treating like a damn hero, not the victims. Can I just make this point very clear? I know you know this because you watch the Midas Touch Network frequently. We don't actually want Ghislaine Maxwell's dad. Do we really care about Ghislaine Maxwell? That's not the Epstein files. That's not the Epstein files.

13:33Ben Meiselas:They want us to be diverted here, and they're going to give her all of these benefits, and Trump's moved her to the prison of her dreams already, because there must be terribly damaging stuff in the Epstein files. So now they're not releasing the files. We know Trump's name was redacted in it by those hundreds or even thousands of agents and lawyers at the DOJ and FBI agents who went through it. They were asked to remove Donald Trump's name from the files. So they didn't release the files. They redacted Trump's names. They went to Ghislaine Maxwell. They've given her immunity. They've treated her like a hero.

14:12Ben Meiselas:They moved her to the Southeast Texas prison. What are we even talking about, folks? Just release the freaking files here. Now, let me show you again. This was Maga Mike. Maga Mike saying before that we're using every mechanism that we can. Here he goes. I'm pushing aggressively for the full release of everything. When you know they're not, they're literally not. But here's what he says. Play this clip. We have to do it in a responsible manner. But look, I'm pushing for aggressively for the full release of everything that is possible. And by the way, so is the president. He has said the same thing.

14:46We're using every mechanism within our power to do that and to do it as quickly as possible.

14:50Ben Meiselas:And here's where Maga Mike talks about how before Congress recessed, he wanted to give Donald Trump the space to do what Donald Trump needed to do. Here, play this clip. So here's here's what I would say about the Epstein files. There is no daylight between the House Republicans, the House, and the President on maximum transparency. He has said that he wants all the credible files related to Epstein to be released. He's asked the Attorney General to request the grand jury files of the court. All of that is in process right now. My belief is we need the administration to have the space to do what it is doing.

15:25And if further congressional action is necessary or appropriate, then we'll look at that. But I don't think we're at that point right now because we agree with the President. So no vote on this resolution? Okay.

15:35Ben Meiselas:Now I'll let you be the judge for yourself. If what MAGA Mike Johnson is saying is absolute transparency, um, because here Donald Trump is asked, Hey, are you going to release recordings or transcripts from what Todd Blanche, the number two at the DOJ, um, was saying to Ghislaine? Like, are you, are you going to release that? Is there a recording? Here's what Trump has to say. Play this clip. Um, your deputy attorney general sat down with Ghislaine Maxwell for nine hours. I'm just wondering when the American people get to hear what she said during that interview. Well, I don't know because I haven't spoken about it, but he's a very talented guy, Todd Blanche, and a very straight shooter.

16:16Yeah. And I think he probably wanted to know, you know, just to get a feeling of it, because we'd like to release everything, but we don't want people to get hurt that shouldn't be hurt. Yeah. And I would assume that was why he was there. I want to release everything. I just don't want people to get hurt.

16:32Ben Meiselas:And folks, I can't even emphasize enough how unprecedented, unusual it would be. This has never happened in American history where the deputy attorney general meets with a convicted sex trafficker, yet alone one who knew the president of the United States and was there since the late 80s. and was someone who articles in the Sunday Mirror said brought Donald Trump young women and someone who was there who sex trafficked girls at Mar-a-Lago like Virginia Giuffre. Donald Trump appoints his criminal defense lawyer to be the number two at the DOJ and then that meeting happens? Come on. Come on, folks.

17:16Ben Meiselas:And then here is Virginia Giuffre's family because I never want to do any video like this without showing you what the victim side of this is. Virginia Giuffre's died by suicide recently. Here's what her family said. Here play this clip.

17:33She wasn't stolen. She was preyed upon at his property, at President Trump's property. And I think it's very important that we don't treat it like stolen. seems very impersonal. It feels very much like an object. And these survivors are not objects. Women are not objects. What goes through my mind is that it's time to protect survivors, and it's time to protect the young women and our future generation of young women. So no, she wasn't stolen. She was preyed upon. And it certainly makes you kind of ask the question, how much he knew during that time. Even a couple of years later, even after he, I believe he had stated something along the lines of cutting off communication or kicking him out, he described Jeffrey Epstein as somebody who really enjoyed being around young women.

18:36And so she was preyed upon. She wasn't stolen. That's a predator that came and took her.

18:47and did absolutely horrible things to her and so many other women out there.

18:52Ben Meiselas:And of course, they were responding to Donald Trump saying that the reason he had a falling out with Epstein is that Epstein stole his help. They stole the people. And then he was asked, the underage girls like Virginia Jufre, yeah, he stole them from me. They were mine. He stole them from me. Well, that happened in, first off, they're not your property, sicko. Number two, that happened in 2000. You were friends with Epstein for the next seven years. So that means, were you aware what Epstein was doing? That would seem to be something that would make sense right there. But I'll let you all judge for yourself.

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