Ghislaine Sends Final Warning to Trump after Disaster Hearing

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2:29Ben Meiselas:Ghislaine Maxwell has sent a warning to Donald Trump after the disastrous hearing of Pam Bondi. Ghislaine essentially wrote to Donald Trump, you better be careful what your cabinet members are saying. And Ghislaine posted this through family members who run a social media account for her. Specifically, here's what Ghislaine Maxwell had her family post after Attorney General Pam Bondi's awful hearing. That's what Ghislaine Maxwell wrote. America's Attorney General told a House Judiciary Committee meeting today she hopes Ghislaine Maxwell dies in prison. This is an extraordinary thing for a nation's chief law officer to wish.

3:17Ben Meiselas:It sounds less like justice than bloodlust. Ghislaine is serving a 20-year sentence, not a life term. To hope it proves fatal blurs the line between punishment and revenge. The Justice Department is already under scrutiny for its handling of the Epstein files. It now faces a simpler question. If the guardian of the law talks like a shock jock, what faith should the public have in the system she runs? What happened to prosecution without passion, to prosecution without prejudice? And it's interesting that Ghislaine focuses on that. Overall, Bondi was clearly involved in the cover-up of the child sex trafficking ring, which Ghislaine was convicted of, for which Epstein was charged with and convicted of earlier as well, which Donald Trump is covering up.

4:21Ben Meiselas:But there was one small moment under intense cross-examination by Democratic Congresswoman Ross, who was asking Bondi about Ghislaine Maxwell being transferred from Tallahassee to this club-fed VIP facility in Texas, Camp Bryan. And you can tell that this struck a nerve with Bondi because what I had always heard from all of my sourcing is that Bondi and Blanche were in a dispute over it, not because Bondi didn't want it to take place, but because Bondi was being blamed for it and had not coordinated it herself. She thought it was done behind her back by Blanche and Bondi was not given notice of it before, although Bondi was someone who wanted to help Donald Trump cover up the child sex trafficking ring.

5:17Ben Meiselas:So when Bondi was being cross-examined on this, Bondi was like, I don't know how the transfer happened. There's a fight right now going on behind the scenes between Bondi and Blanche. People think that Blanche is going to soon be replacing Bondi, especially after her disastrous performance as the next attorney general. So that's part of what was going on behind the scenes. But if you look at Ghislaine's coded language right here, to hope it proves fatal blurs the line. The Justice Department is already under scrutiny for its handling of the Epstein files. And then it faces a simpler question. If the guardian of the law talks like a shock jock, what faith should the public have in the system she runs?

6:06Ben Meiselas:I mean, by the way, Screw you, Ghislaine. I mean, you're a child sex trafficker, so let me be very blunt about that. But I want to point out the coded language here. Shock jock, I also think, is directed at Trump, given his prior connections with Howard Stern and a lot of the audio that came out there. And then she's talking about the public already doesn't trust you. Remember what our deal was, Donald, remember what Blanche told me. This is what I think is going on behind the scenes here. I'll give you more data points, but let me show you over here the questioning, the cross-exam by Congresswoman Ross to Bondi.

6:48Ben Meiselas:And Bondi was able to stay on her script of basically attacking the members of Congress, ducking and dodging. But there was this moment where she let it slip. and then Ghislaine hit her right away. It hit Trump right away with that statement. And to me, it's saying, stay in your lane. And this is the problem where you have the Trump regime essentially being run at this point by Ghislaine's threats, right? Trump is compromised. He's shown weakness to Ghislaine and she knows exactly where to poke and prod. So watch this cross-examination so you can see for yourself.

7:53Pam Bondi:agreeing we can move on to some other things. But I want you to know that every time she does get these perks, and it's been publicly reported, that her, the folks she's abused, the survivors who are sitting here, they see themselves as being denied justice. They feel re-traumatized. And I'm glad that we agree on that. But she should not be in that prison. And she needs to be moved back to a maximum security prison as as soon as possible. But what she has told another committee here is that she won't cooperate with them unless she gets clemency from Donald Trump. It's just crazy to consider that she can be wielding this kind of influence within the administration.

8:48Pam Bondi:But that begs the question, who ordered her to be transferred to the minimum security prison that she was ineligible for? Who signed off on the special privileges? Was it Mr. Blanche? Was it one of your other subordinates? So please, can you tell us who sent her there since you don't agree she should be there?

9:11Donald Trump:I said I do not agree she should receive special treatment. She was transferred, I learned after the fact, to the same level facility, and that is a question for the Bureau of Prisons. I was not involved in that at all. The same level facility, I don't know why. But, you know, instead of talking about Gurley and Maxwell, who hopefully will die in prison, hopefully will die in prison, you should be talking about Irina Zarutska.

9:36Pam Bondi:I have a couple of other questions.

9:38Donald Trump:Who died on a subway.

9:38Pam Bondi:Right. And I absolutely - You don't talk about that. I have been talking about it and actually helping with these issues, but we're going to move back to you. I bet we are. Yes, of course, because you're here to testify. That's what the whole point of this endeavor is. So of course, we're moving back to you. It is all about you.

9:58Ben Meiselas:Now, of course, this follows the statement by Ghislaine's lawyer, Oscar Marcus, David Oscar Marcus, what he said at her deposition where she invoked the fifth. Remember, he goes on and says, but if you grant her clemency, Donald Trump, she will exonerate you. She can't testify today. Sure. She talked to Todd Blanche and said what you wanted, Donald. Remember now just grant her clemency and she'll bring it home for you, Donald. In my opinion, that's the coded language. I'm just giving you my opinion, but you could disagree, right? We're all entitled to our First Amendment opinion speech, but I think that's what Ghislaine was saying.

10:40Ben Meiselas:Bring it home, Donald. And she likes Blanche, doesn't like Bondi, even though Bondi's playing to an audience of one with Donald Trump to cover up the child sex trafficking ring while they're competing, Blanche and Bondi, for who can cover up the child sex trafficking ring better for Donald. Do you see what's going on behind the scenes. And I'll give you this example right here. When Democratic Congress member, this is one of the types of things that Ghislaine can actually reveal. And hopefully we get this information anyway. But Congress member Goldman, when he went to the DOJ special facility where they have the unredacted Epstein files, which are being unlawfully withheld, there are documents that Epstein forwarded to Ghislaine.

11:25Ben Meiselas:So she knows all about this. And that's obvious If these were forward to her in 2009, she was lying through her teeth when she spoke to Todd Blanche. I don't know anything about Donald Trump. You knew in very detail what was going on. But this email, I believe, shows Donald Trump's lawyers speaking with Epstein lawyers, showing that Epstein was never banned from Mar-a-Lago. He was never a member to begin with. He was always a guest and a friend of Donald Trump. and the DOJ is withholding this document. It's a perfect example to protect Donald Trump under a claim of privilege. This is, I think, there's a lot of people talking about documents.

12:08Ben Meiselas:This is the most important one. And Ghislaine knows that this document and many more like this. So what her warning is to Donald Trump, the public already doesn't trust this process. So we know that she's an absolute liar and you can't trust anything she says. And she's a convicted sex trafficker. But what she could do is give a roadmap where to find documents that are being withheld right now, which she knows exists like this one right here. And then you can corroborate it, at least with a document. Watch this exchange between Goldman and Bondi when Bondi's like, oh, this information about Trump is privileged.

12:48Ben Meiselas:It's being with what what are you talking about? It's privileged. Right. Nuts. Here, play this clip. I also found an email that I have right here from Jeffrey Epstein to Ghislaine Maxwell that was unredacted.

13:02Ghislaine Maxwell:And it included notes of statements that Donald Trump made about his prior relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. Now, there is no reason for this to be hidden from the American people. There is no privilege. There is no attorney-client privilege. And I see you're checking with your staff. And I can assure you, staff, this is not under attorney-client privilege because it was sent from Jeffrey Epstein to Ghislaine Maxwell. Will you commit to publicly providing the unredacted version of this so that the American people can understand the extent of Donald Trump's lies about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

13:41Donald Trump:You're about as good of a lawyer today as you were when you tried to impeach President Trump in 2016. Have you apologized for that in 2019? So will you not, will you unredact this? Will you unredact this? You're a lead counsel on that, privileged.

13:54Ghislaine Maxwell:I'm asking you, will you unredact this?

13:55Donald Trump:Privileged.

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15:20Ben Meiselas:Now, let me show you what the correct script is that Bondi screwed up the script. The script is if you're asked about clemency or moving Ghislaine Maxwell, you're just supposed to say in the Trump regime, I can't really answer. We're moving on. I can't answer that, right? I mean, you had Caroline Levitt two days ago when she was asked about this, said, is the president going to rule out a pardon? Oh, this isn't even something we talk about. That's the talking point that for that one moment, Bondi missed. Here, play this clip.

15:51Donald Trump:On Delaine Maxwell, is the president going to rule out a pardon for her? In her testimony deposition yesterday, her legal team seems to be making a case again for a pardon from the president. Again, this is not something I've discussed with the president recently because frankly, it's not a priority. He's focused on many of the issues that the American people are dealing with and providing solutions to those issues. So I haven't spoken with him recently. Last time we did speak about it, he said it's not something he's considering or thinking about. Go ahead, Bloomberg. It's Caroline. Secretary Lutnick today was testifying on the Hill.

16:28Ben Meiselas:And look, James Comer understood the talking point. Play this clip.

16:58Ghislaine Maxwell:considered it after that. So this was something new today. Obviously that's not for me to decide, that's for the president to decide.

17:04Ben Meiselas:Thank you. Congress member Cole understood the talking point. Play this clip. Mr. Chairman, real quick, should Ghislaine Maxwell get clemency to testify? I'm sorry? Should Ghislaine Maxwell get clemency to testify? Oh, I have no earthly idea. Oh, got it. Any updates on DHS funding?

17:21Ghislaine Maxwell:I don't know yet. I mean, we've passed the bill. We're still waiting on the Senate news side. Got it. Are Republicans open to any of the proposed reforms that Democrats put out?

17:30Ben Meiselas:We're not just putting in a camera for the original bill to grab the Senate. And that's referring to the Senate. Congresswoman Maliotakis understood the talking point. Play this clip. Hey, Congresswoman, real quick, should Delane Maxwell get clemency to testify?