Ghislaine Taunts Congress After Secret Trump Meeting

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2:00Ben Meiselas:Ghislaine Maxwell is now almost certainly going to go silent after being given immunity by Donald Trump's Department of Justice for a 10-hour meeting over the course of two days with Donald Trump's DOJ. She's supposed to sit for a deposition with Congress right around August 11th, But she's now saying through her lawyer, a guy by the name of David Oscar Marcus, that she's undecided if she's going to show up or speak to them. She may invoke her Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination when it comes to the questions by Congress, even though she spoke to Donald Trump's Department of Justice and specifically the number two at the Department of Justice, Todd Blanche, who was Donald Trump's former criminal defense attorney.

2:55Ben Meiselas:I want to break this all down for you folks. So we know by now, the Wall Street Journal reported, Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. Back in May, Donald Trump was briefed by his Attorney General, Pam Bondi, by FBI Director Kash Patel, by Deputy FBI Director Dan Mangino, that he was in those files. Donald Trump's plan, call it a hoax, don't release it, blame it on Obama, and then try to get to Ghislaine Maxwell and distract through these other tactics. That's what the Trump regime has been implementing. Now, what they didn't expect is, I think, the uproar, or they didn't fully appreciate the uproar from the public and also the uproar in the House of Representatives, with even some Republicans saying, what the heck?

3:47Ben Meiselas:You said you were going to release these files, release these files. So Donald Trump has his usual stooges, MAGA Mike Johnson types running interference for him, right? MAGA Mike Johnson has shut down Congress, has thrown it into recess, but Democrats figured out a maneuver which allowed them to get the deposition of Ghislaine Maxwell to force a vote. And Republicans who said they were going to want that deposition. They were put in the public spotlight, so they had to vote for it. And Democrats also did a maneuver where they forced a subpoena to get the Epstein files from the Department of Justice, although the DOJ is most likely going to obstruct that.

4:30Ben Meiselas:So the sequence of events is the subpoena gets issued to Ghislaine Maxwell by Congress for right around August 11th or so. And then Donald Trump says, I need my DOJ to go speak to Ghislaine Maxwell right away. So the number two at the DOJ is a guy by the name of Todd Blanche, Donald Trump's former criminal defense attorney. And immediately, when I say immediately, quicker than Donald Trump sent FEMA to Texas to deal with the flash floods. Okay. And I'm not being sarcastic. That's a fact. Donald Trump sent his number two at the DOJ to have this meeting in Tallahassee, Florida with Ghislaine Maxwell at the Tallahassee Federal Courthouse.

5:15Ben Meiselas:Now, Todd Blanche, following the people, Todd Blanche, Donald Trump's number two at the DOJ, Trump's former criminal defense attorney who lost the felony case where Trump was convicted of 34 felony counts. He met with a guy named David Oscar Marcus and Ghislaine Maxwell. David Oscar Marcus is a close friend of Todd Blanchett, someone who was considered potentially to represent Donald Trump, David Oscar Marcus, and he's currently Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyer. So there was a meeting on Thursday and a meeting on Friday. Now we've learned that the Department of Justice made a deal with Ghislaine Maxwell, they gave her immunity, something called use immunity.

5:59Ben Meiselas:It's not full immunity. It's called like limited immunity, meaning anything she tells the Department of Justice over the course of her two-day meeting is she is immune from prosecution on that. So if she talks about crimes that she was involved in, sex trafficking rings that she was involved What she did with Epstein, she gets immunity from that and she can't be prosecuted for that on a later time. Now, if the feds find independent evidence of these things before or otherwise, they can still potentially prosecute her. But there's a whole doctrine called the fruit of the poisonous tree, which is if they use something she said to then find independent evidence to prosecute her, they would be barred from that.

6:48Ben Meiselas:So basically, even though it's called limited use immunity, they basically gave her full immunity. Now, another name for this is proffer immunity. Have you heard the term proffer or co-conspirator? It gives a proffer and they're given immunity. and sometimes it's called king of the day or queen of the day, meaning you get to say whatever you want and you won't be held accountable. You have absolute immunity, right? That's a concept of kings and queens. That's why it's called queen of the day, which unfortunately the Supreme Court gave Donald Trump basically king of the day immunity every single day.

7:26Ben Meiselas:That's what our up Supreme Court did a few years back. Okay. So Ghislaine Maxwell has this meeting. Now, I've done countless videos on Ghislaine Maxwell's connections with Trump and Trump's connections with Epstein. Donald Trump was close friends with Ghislaine and Jeffrey Epstein. Ghislaine was like a girlfriend of Jeffrey Epstein, was by Epstein's side the whole time, co-conspirator, sex trafficker for Epstein. Ghislaine was convicted of sex trafficking. She was sentenced in 2022 to 20 plus years in prison for sex trafficking. In the sentencing memorandum from the Department of Justice at the time, the lead prosecutor's name was Maureen Comey.

8:08Ben Meiselas:The prosecutor said that Ghislaine showed no remorse at all. These were vile crimes of underage girls that she facilitated the sexual abuse of. And the court found Ghislaine's conduct despicable and put her in this Tallahassee criminal prison for basically a significant period of time, 20 plus years, which she's been serving that sentence. Now, as we know, Donald Trump's name appears in the Epstein files. On the files that have already been released, Donald Trump's name is all over them. And I don't want my videos to be redundant because I want to focus on Ghislaine's move and how she's not going to likely be speaking with Congress.

8:49Ben Meiselas:But just to remind you, Mar-a-Lago is one of the locations that was used by Gaylene Maxwell to find underage girls like Virginia Giuffre, who was an underage towel girl. She was homeless, working in the Mar-a-Lago spa. Ghislaine Maxwell walks over. She lives a block away with Epstein in Palm Beach, finds Virginia Giuffre working at Mar-a-Lago. Hey, you're homeless. You need money? Meet Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein sex traffics her. Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein bring a 14-year-old girl over to Mar-a-Lago. In the civil case, at least this 14-year-old underage girl says that Jeffrey Epstein points at the little girl to Donald Trump.

9:19Ben Meiselas:You like this one. Donald Trump threw parties at Mar-a-Lago, as he called them, where he would just be him and Epstein. They'd have girls of indeterminate age there, according to party planners who were told that it was going to be VIPs from modeling agencies there. Trump says Epstein's a great guy who likes women on the younger side. Donald Trump was in Epstein's plane at least seven times based on the logs that were released. Donald Trump is named Doe 174. In the civil cases, Donald Trump's in the depositions. Epstein was on Trump's plane. Okay, you get the point. So Trump finds out he's in the files, which is not a shocker.

9:54Ben Meiselas:The Congress subpoenas Ghislaine for August 11th or so, right around that time period. Donald Trump sends his DOJ to meet with Ghislaine Maxwell. They give her what's called a use immunity queen for a day. And, you know, a point I want to make there as well is sometimes use immunity is given to co-conspirators before trial, before conviction to flip or to turn against other people. But anybody who tells you that use immunity is something that's given to people who are convicted of sex trafficking, serving their sentence with zero remorse, it doesn't happen at all. One other fact to mention, just so we are very comprehensive, as we always love to be here at the Midas Dutch Network.

10:40Ben Meiselas:Remember I told you about the 2022 sentencing. The lead lawyer was someone named Maureen Comey, the lead prosecutor, who was fired by Donald Trump in the past two weeks, just randomly fired the lead prosecutor against Ghislaine and Jeffrey Epstein. And then Donald Trump's accusing Maureen Comey's dad, James Comey being responsible for what Trump now refers to as the Epstein hoax. So Ghislaine gets this immunity. She speaks 10 hours with Todd Blanche, Trump's criminal defense lawyer, who's really there to protect Trump, let's face it. And then Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyer, David Oscar Marcus, comes out and says, well, now she's undecided about whether she's going to speak with Congress.

11:25Ben Meiselas:And you may be saying, but whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. Doesn't she have to speak with Congress because she was given the use immunity and she spoke with the DOJ? It's different rules. Congressional immunity is different than DOJ immunity. And even though Congress potentially can hold her in contempt, I guess, if they try to force her to speak after giving her a congressional version of immunity. The issue about congressional immunity to witnesses is a little more unsettled than the clearability of the DOJ. But then in any event, who has to prosecute contempt of Congress? The DOJ, Todd Blanche, Pam Bondi would prosecute if she doesn't speak.

12:15Ben Meiselas:And what do you think the DOJ is going to say? We don't need her to speak. You get what's happening. We don't need her to speak to Congress. She spoke to us already. She spoke to Todd Blanche. Do you see what the plan is here? I know corporate news gives you bits and pieces, but I really want to break down how nefarious this cover-up is. And I've been predicting every step of the way what's going to happen because it's pretty obvious what they're doing. And any federal prosecutor or former federal prosecutor will tell you this reeks of cover-up. And it's obvious to federal prosecutors what's happening here.

12:53Ben Meiselas:It's sickening. It's sickening stuff. So right after the House issued the subpoena to Ghislaine Maxwell last week, that lawyer for Ghislaine Maxwell, David Oscar Marcus, told CNN, as for the congressional subpoena, Ms. Maxwell's taking this one step at a time. She looks forward to her meeting with the Department of Justice, and that discussion will help inform how she proceeds. So she had a productive meeting with the Department of Justice. Donald Trump earlier in the day on Friday was asked about pardoning Ghislaine Maxwell. And then Donald Trump used the same line that he used when he was previously asked in his first administration about pardoning Flynn, Manafort, and Stone.

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15:17Ben Meiselas:So let me just show you what Trump did here. I wanna put the pieces together and complete this puzzle for you, not with hypotheticals, but with the facts. So here's what Donald Trump said when he was asked about pardoning Flynn, Manafort, and Stone during his first term. Here play this clip. I don't want to talk about pardons for Michael Flynn yet. I have not even given it a thought as of this moment. Roger Stone, are you going to pardon him, sir? He's been convicted of felonies. I'm going to pardon him? Well, I hadn't thought of it. I think it's very tough what they did to Roger Stone. Okay. Now you see how Donald Trump says that and how he talks about Ghislaine Maxwell when he was asked, would you consider a pardon or commutation for Ghislaine Maxwell?

16:03Ben Meiselas:Let me just play that one more time. Would you consider a pardon or commutation for Ghislaine Maxwell? Here, play this clip. Would you consider a pardon or a commutation for Ghislaine Maxwell? It's something I haven't thought about. I'm allowed to do it, but it's something I have not thought about. Right. So the message was sent to Ghislaine Maxwell, an attorney, that a pardon is possible here. So Ghislaine Maxwell leaves with her attorney. And after her attorney leaves, this is how Fox reports it. And her attorney's basically like, you know, we're angling for a pardon right now. And Donald Trump said it.

16:43Ben Meiselas:Here, play this clip. What else did Maxwell's attorney say? Well, he said a lot. We wish we could be in and hear what was said in the actual meeting. This meeting was a lot shorter than it was yesterday, but this was a two-day event. The highlight, though, it appears that her team wants a pardon. Watch. We're going to take one day at a time. I know that's very cliche, but it's true because things are happening so quickly. We haven't spoken to the president or anybody about a pardon just yet. And and, you know, listen, the president this morning said he had the power to do so. We hope he exercises that power in the right and just way.

17:22Ben Meiselas:Now, where's MAGA Mike Johnson's role in this all? You have to listen to what they say because sometimes they reveal themselves. So MAGA Mike Johnson, when he was asked, why are you recessing Congress right now? And again, fortunately, the Democrats pulled some procedural maneuvers to be able to get the subpoenas to issue before. But MAGA Mike Johnson says we need the administration to have the space to do what it is doing, to have the space to do what it is doing. What is it doing? What I'm telling you, what the plan is, the cover-up. Get to Ghislaine, dangle a pardon, give her use immunity, get her to name other names of people other than Donald Trump, get her to say favorable things to Donald Trump.

18:15Ben Meiselas:Wink, wink, wink. Maybe you get a pardon or commutation at the end of Donald Trump's term, but no one says that publicly. don't speak to Congress, I think is the message either expressed or implied or otherwise. That's my opinion. You can judge for yourself. But here's MAGA Mike Johnson saying we need the administration to have the space to do what it is doing. Here, play this clip. So here's what I would say about the Epstein files. There is no daylight between the House Republicans, the House and the President on maximum transparency. He has said that he wants all the credible files related to Epstein to be released.

18:50He's asked the attorney general to request the grand jury files of the court. All of that is in process right now. My belief is we need the administration to have the space to do what it is doing. If further congressional action is necessary or appropriate, then we'll look at that. But I don't think we're at that point right now because we agree with the president.

19:09Ben Meiselas:Okay. Now, what else is happening and what else are we learning. This was a Midas Touch exclusive where the free Ghislaine influencers who are very close to Donald Trump, they're VIPs in the Trump White House. People like Jessica Reed Krauss, they wear the shirts, free Ghislaine. They've always been on team Ghislaine and they say she's the real victim here. You can see Jessica Reed Krauss with RFK Jr. and J.D. Vance and Donald Trump in the White House. She has their ear. Now, she says that she was consulted as well by high level people at the White House about how they should approach Ghislaine and how they should think about her.

19:49Ben Meiselas:And so she was obviously advocating for Ghislaine to have a pardon. So she has a prominent role in the free Ghislaine movement working with the White House. Now, the New York Post reports that Ghislaine Maxwell gave the DOJ info about 100 different people linked to Jeffrey Epstein, the lawyer says. Okay. Now this aligns with what Donald Trump was asked, where Trump says, what do you hope that Blanche gets out of Ghislaine? And repeatedly, Donald Trump's been saying, I hope she gives a list of other names. And Donald Trump said, I can give you a list of other people's names, like Bill Clinton, he says, and Larry Sumner, the former president of Harvard.

20:33Ben Meiselas:So you see what Trump and Ghislaine are doing here. So now let's get the other names. Let's push that out. And then let's insulate Trump and say, Trump's not the big deal. It's all of these other people who come from Ghislaine. So here's Donald Trump answering, what are you hoping Blanche gets out of Ghislaine Maxwell? Let's play it. What are you hoping Todd Blanche interviewing Ghislaine Maxwell? What are you hoping that they get on to that i really have no uh really nothing to say about it she is being talked to by a very smart man by a very good man todd blanche and uh i don't know anything about the conversation i haven't really been following it a lot of people are asking me about pardons obviously this is no time to be talking about pardons but a lot of people have asked about pardon this is just not a time to be talking about pardons.

21:28Todd will come back with whatever he's got you're making a very big thing over something that's not a big thing you should be talking about if you're going to talk about that talk about Clinton talk about the former president of Harvard talk about all of his friends talk about the hedge fund guys that were with him all the time don't talk about Trump what you should be talking about is the fact that we have the greatest six months in the history of a presidency, according to a lot of people. And we had an amazing six months.

22:01Ben Meiselas:And here Donald Trump is saying, you should focus on Clinton and this person and that person. And Trump says, I will give you a list. Here's what Trump says. But he's over there now. I don't know exactly what's happening, but I certainly can't talk about parties. Can you trust what she's telling him? She's a convicted trafficker who's eager to get out of prison. Well, you know, he's a professional lawyer. I think he's been through things like this before. But you should focus on Clinton. You should focus on the president of Harvard, the former president of Harvard. You should focus on some of the hedge fund guys.

22:35I'll give you a list. These guys lived with Jeffrey Epstein. I sure as hell didn't. Thank you very much.

22:41Ben Meiselas:So you heard what Donald Trump says. I will get you a list. So in my view, that's part of the coverup that's taking place. Now, what I don't want us to be distracted is none of us. We don't care about this interview with Ghislaine Maxwell. She's a sex trafficker. She's a liar. She's a criminal. Why is a Donald Trump Ghislaine Maxwell meeting important at all? It isn't. It is distraction. The same way Trump's saying grand jury testimony they want. Distraction. What do we want? We should hear from, the only people we should hear from are the victims, number one. What do the victims have to say? Did they see Trump?

23:23Ben Meiselas:What happened to the victims? So that's important. Far more important than the sex trafficker. And then we should get the files. The files, we all remember the files. That's what we should want. The files, 300 gigabytes. That's in the DOJ and FBI's custody and control. Give us the freaking files. We're not asking for these other things, okay? So here, for example, is one of Epstein's victims, very brave and courageous woman named Maria Farmer. Here's what she says about Ghislaine. Here, play this clip. I've never met a more predatory, terrifying human being in my entire life, and neither had Virginia Jafre and neither has Annie or Anushka or many girls like Shantae Davies.

24:05There's hundreds of us that were preyed upon by Ghislaine Maxwell. She's a very dangerous person and she threatened my life on many occasions. I've had to move and be in hiding because of this predatory child predator and just victim predator. So it's completely unacceptable for anyone to call her a victim. The woman is not a victim. She's a victimizer.

24:29Ben Meiselas:I think that's what's very significant right now. But the Trump influencers like Greg Kelly are saying this. Let's play it. What is this all about? And she's also been subpoenaed by the oversight committee. I think this is great. I do have a feeling that she has been. She just might be a victim. She just might be. There was a rush to judgment. There was a lot of chaos there for a while. All right. Granted, she hung out with Jeffrey Epstein. And I know that's apparently not good. But she's in jail for how long now? 20 years, a 20 year sentence. So what do I predict happens? Ghislaine's going to go and tell Congress I can't speak.

25:10Ben Meiselas:I don't remember or invoke the fifth. And everyone's going to be outraged. And then Congress is going to be like, all right, what should we do? Do we hold her in contention? What are our powers? And the DOJ is going to say, nope, we've got what we needed. Final point I guess I should make, Todd Blanche, why didn't he release the court? Why aren't the recordings released right now? Is there transcripts with her? What's happening right now is the cover up. And it's just so obvious and it's gross. And it's the DOJ meeting with a sex trafficker. You know, it's repulsive. And as I've said, this shouldn't be a blue or red or Democrat or Republican issue.