In short
July 4th and America’s 250th anniversary, framed as a contrast between unifying patriotism and Donald Trump’s “chaos, cruelty and corruption,” plus polling, jobs, housing, and anti-corruption reform.
Guests
Gov. Josh Shapiro, Pennsylvania governor; former attorney general. He emphasizes unity, housing affordability, and ethics/anti-corruption.
Key claims
Trump is “collapsing” in Pennsylvania per Economist and Franklin & Marshall polls; his administration is “K-shaped” (rich get richer, others suffer); he politicizes July 4th; he blocked/signaled opposition to a bipartisan housing affordability bill; his corruption is enabled by Supreme Court immunity; his policies cut SNAP and healthcare (SNAP losses cited ~90,000 now; ~140,000 projected; healthcare losses cited ~150,000 now; ~510,000 projected).
Notable examples
Trump’s small-crowd trucking-factory speech; alleged “pedo protector” heckling; job report figures (57,000 added vs 115,000 expected; revisions down); Independence Hall video and Ben Franklin quote: “a republic, if you can keep it.”
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOTrump's Decline in Pennsylvania
1:24 to 3:40
Discussion on Trump's approval decline and economic concerns in Pennsylvania.
“Donald Trump is collapsing in Pennsylvania.”
Governor Shapiro's Perspective
3:40 to 6:12
Governor Shapiro discusses unity and patriotism ahead of America's 250th anniversary.
“And before Donald Trump spoke in Pennsylvania, he was asked by reporters, hey, you know, you're about to speak in front of truckers over there and truckers that are at a high risk of losing their jobs.”
The Housing Affordability Bill
6:12 to 9:48
The failure of a bipartisan housing affordability bill and Trump's response.
“Now I want to bring in Governor Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania.”
Character in Leadership
9:48 to 12:33
Discussion on the importance of character in leadership and Trump's negative influence.
“Hopefully the president will get over his latest hissy fit.”
Corruption and Its Impact
12:33 to 14:00
Analyzing Trump's financial dealings and their implications for the American people.
“And so I don't think we're sort of out of the woods yet on this.”
Examining Trump's Corruption and Its Impact
14:00 to 19:32
Explore the costs of Trump's corruption on Americans and the need for reform.
“as president, whether it's from his crypto scheme or from Mar-a-Lago and other things in between.”
Governor Shapiro's Independence Day Message
19:32 to 22:13
Hear Governor Shapiro's powerful message on civic responsibility for Independence Day.
“I want to share a sneak peek at a video that you will be releasing on July 4th, a unifying video about America's 250th birthday celebration.”
Transcript
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1:18Ben Meiselas:Try today for free at odoo.com. That's O-D-O-O dot com. Donald Trump is collapsing in Pennsylvania. The wheels have fallen off. Even Trump's MAGA supporters in Pennsylvania have abandoned him. According to the latest Economist poll, Trump's approval is net negative 22 points. According to the latest Franklin and Marshall College poll, Donald Trump's overall approval in Pennsylvania right now is 29%, a 10-point drop over more than three months. The Franklin and Marshall poll director notes it's a sizable decline since our March poll when his positive approval rating was 39%, which is still low, by the way.
2:09Ben Meiselas:The administration's positive rating for handling foreign policy matters, according to the latest Franklin and Marshall College poll, declined from 42 % to 29 % from March to now. Trump's largest decline comes in his regime's handling of inflation, falling from 31 % positive in October to 17 % today. 35 % of voters say the economy, including unemployment, housing, real estate costs, and higher gas and utility prices, is the most important problem facing the state. The economy is the top concern of every partisan group, and they are livid at the Trump regime. I also think it's notable in Pennsylvania that 7 in 10 or 72 % of registered voters favor a state law that makes it illegal to discriminate in employment or housing based on a person's sexual orientation or gender identity.
3:07Ben Meiselas:So despite the fact that the Trump regime continues to spew hate and divisiveness and discrimination against the LGBTQ community and continues to try to attack people on the basis of gender, I think that people overwhelmingly support strong laws that prevent that type of behavior. When Donald Trump was recently in Pennsylvania, he gave that speech at a trucking factory. It was in front of a very small crowd and someone in the crowd was basically calling him pedo, pedo protector. You remember when that went down? Here, play this clip.
3:55Ben Meiselas:And before Donald Trump spoke in Pennsylvania, he was asked by reporters, hey, you know, you're about to speak in front of truckers over there and truckers that are at a high risk of losing their jobs. What do you say to them? Because they're struggling right now. And Donald No, they're not. They're having the golden age. Truckers in Pennsylvania are living their best lives. No, they're not. I mean, you screwed them over. You screwed over manufacturing jobs. You screwed over people across this country and in Pennsylvania. Play this clip. You're about to speak to truckers. Truckers are at high risk of moving their jobs to AI because of You can't get a job.
4:32Ben Meiselas:Right now, we have the highest job numbers we've ever had in the country, the history of the country, and I'm just with a couple of the great senators and congressmen we're talking, it's actually hard to fill the job. Nobody's ever seen a time like this. We have right now so many jobs that are going to be available. And the biggest problem we have is getting the people. And of course, we got the latest jobs numbers out yesterday. Trump only added 57 ,000 jobs per the latest report, far below the 115 ,000 economists expected, while April and May totals were revised down. May job totals revised down by 43 ,000 jobs.
5:15Ben Meiselas:April revised down by 31 ,000 jobs. And if you actually look at the jobs that have been created and lost during Donald Trump taking office. He's basically lost way more jobs than he's created, except in the healthcare sector is the only area where jobs are being created. And that's a sector, of course, that Donald Trump is attacking. I want to bring in Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro to talk about Donald Trump's rapid collapse as we approach the July 4th holiday, which should be a celebration of our nation's 250th intent. Instead, Donald Trump has made it a very divisive day. He's turned it into a grotesque and weird thing when we all just want to join and unify and not deal with this craziness.
6:09Ben Meiselas:I'll give Governor Shapiro a lot of credit. He's been a unifying voice in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Let's bring in Governor Josh Shapiro. Now I want to bring in Governor Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania. Governor Shapiro, great to have you back. I want to talk about America's 250 right now because this should really be a unifying day. This should be a celebration of what makes this country incredible. And I just think there are so many people sick and tired of the divisiveness, trying to use this for personal aggrandizement to further divide us along partisan lines. And I think that's what's just made people kind of really upset.
6:55Ben Meiselas:And, you know, I'm glad to see in the great Commonwealth, the focus on kind of a unifying principles around America 250. Yeah, no question. Look, I don't think patriotism belongs to one person or one political party. I really think it is about we the people and the work that was done just a few blocks from here. I'm in Philadelphia right now, 250 years ago. And so I think anyone who tries to personalize it, politicize it, does a great disservice to this country. And I think, unfortunately, that's what you're seeing from the president every day, trying to make it about him attacking people who don't think like him or look like him or vote like him.
7:35And to me, that just erodes people's faith in the promise of our nation. And it politicizes a moment that should be all about coming together, Americans with all different political beliefs, all different views, people from all different walks of life, no matter what you look like or where you come from, who you love or who you pray to. I want everyone here in Pennsylvania and across the country to be arm in arms celebrating the privilege we have to live in the greatest country on the face of the earth.
8:05Ben Meiselas:You know, in that spirit, I was hoping in the lead up to America's 250, there was finally going to be a bipartisan bill that was going to be passed in Congress, a housing affordability bill. You know, and I think we could all rally around opportunities to try to make housing more affordable. I know you take lots of efforts within the state to do that, you know, and then on the day that it was supposed to be signed, and this was something we could have all rallied around, you know, Trump doesn't show up. And then later he says, it's really just a big yawn to me. And, And, you know, I don't really I don't really get it.
8:42Ben Meiselas:I don't really care about it. You know, and I just think, you know, yet again, when you take any of kind of Trump's, you know, fake promises from his campaign to their logical conclusion, I think, sadly, you realize on the issue of affordability, on the issue of the release of the Epstein files, on the issue of no endless wars. It's all a fraud. Like it's all a fugazi. That's disappointing. No, I mean, look, you have Democrats and Republicans in Congress who actually put aside their differences, found common ground, worked on an issue that's incredibly important to the people of Pennsylvania. And I would argue all across this country to build more housing, to have more access to affordable housing, to have more people in America be able to afford to be able to put a roof over their head.
9:28And Donald Trump just decided to throw a temper tantrum at the last minute and instead focus on his conspiracy theories about the election, trying to nationalize our elections and take away the control that states have and counties have over running elections and instead put himself in charge. We're certainly not going to back down to that in Pennsylvania. Hopefully the president will get over his latest hissy fit. He'll sign that bipartisan bill into law. And I think this example of the Congress of the United States finally, finally meeting their Article I responsibilities to actually legislate and to be a separate branch of government, not just simply be an extension of the president of the United States.
10:13I thought that housing bill was an important step in that process, and hopefully Congress will do more of that.
10:18Ben Meiselas:You talk about the tantrum that Donald Trump threw. We can get into specific policies, but for me, leadership kind of begins and ends with character, keeping your word, and thinking about future generations who look to the presidency should be the most important position. Someone should be careful. And yet again, every day, these temper tantrums and the posts and the behavior, you know, to me, there's that aspect of it, which is doing deep damage, you know, within the country reputationally and abroad when they just see this behavior and go, just who acts like that? Who behaves that way? Yeah, you know, I think about this issue a lot, and less as a governor and more as a father.
11:08You know, I know we're both fathers. My kids are a little older than yours. But my kids' entire frame of reference about politics over the last decade has been Donald Trump, has been cruelty, has been personal attacks, has been, you know, attacks on social media, attacks in speeches, attacks in politics. person. I think they have seen negative behavior reinforced by the most powerful person in our country. And that's something as a dad that's hard to deal with. That's something that's hard to be able to say to your kids, that's not behavior we'll accept. Making fun of people with disabilities is just one example.
11:50And for them to be able to sort of know that they grew up at a time where the president of the United States, that's all he does is put down people with disabilities, attack them. My wife sets a different example. She's one of the leaders in the country on the Special Olympics. She shows our children that we need to treat all people with all abilities, with dignity and with respect. Sadly, we have a president of the United States who does the opposite. It's going to take us some real time in this country to help the generation of my kids and those around that generation to overcome the negativity that they really experienced for this last decade.
12:28And if Donald Trump has his way, this type of politics will continue with J.D. Vance or Marco Rubio. And so I don't think we're sort of out of the woods yet on this. And I think it has certainly had a negative impact on my kid's generation, your kid's generation, and many others.
12:45Ben Meiselas:As a former attorney general, you've seen all different types of financial schemes and artifices. And when I looked at this last financial report that Donald Trump released, 900 plus pages, over 80 stock trades a day, and seemingly with companies that he interacts with on a almost regular basis, seeing these crypto schemes, these where, by the way, if you look at it, Trump makes$2 billion. The investors lose$2 billion. And that seems to be a consistent theme, this almost zero-sum meme coin game when you actually look at the disclosures as well. I'm just curious, you know, as a law and order governor and as a former AG, you know, when you see something like that, you know, I was speaking to brothers about it.
13:36Ben Meiselas:The sheer numbers are so big that maybe it's hard for some people to wrap billions here, billions there, but that doesn't mean we should somehow ignore it because it's so overwhelming in scope. Yeah. Let me make two points here. I mean, First, I think the administration, the Trump administration, has been defined by chaos, by cruelty, and by corruption. The latest example of that is the$2 billion that Donald Trump has made during his time as president, whether it's from his crypto scheme or from Mar-a-Lago and other things in between. But I think we're missing the broader point here if we're just focused on the dollars he's put in his pocket.
14:21When you have a president of the United States who is focused on making money for himself, that corruption leaves us all worse off because it means he's picking favorites, not based on what benefits the American people, but what benefits him and his children. He's picking sides in battles that ultimately are un-American because he's putting his own profiteering ahead of the needs of the American people. That's point one, that his corruption has a real cost to the American people. Point two, though, is what he's doing seemingly is totally protected because the Supreme Court of the United States made one of its worst decisions really over the last century to give this president absolute and total immunity.
15:11And so he feels like he can do anything. So while he sits in that gilded Oval Office, he's not focused on solving your problems, getting you healthcare, putting a roof over your head, driving down your costs. Instead, he's focused on trying to figure out how he can make a buck for him and his family. And that is at odds with meeting the needs of the American people. So the first thing is his corruption has a cost to you. And the second thing is his corruption has been enabled by this Supreme court who's given him absolute and total immunity. That's why we need real reform. That's why we need anti-corruption laws at the federal level.
15:53I could make an argument that we need a 28th Amendment to our Constitution to bake in some stricter guardrails to protect the American people from a president of the United States that lacks integrity and ethics and honor the way this president does. I think everything needs to be on the table. We need real reform.
16:11Ben Meiselas:You know, a cruel euphemism that describes this disastrous Trump economy is economists say it's K-shaped, which really means that most Americans are below the horizontal line and suffering and Trump's rich friends are getting wealthy. That also is how his meme coins and his various kind of schemes look as well. Looks K-shaped. I mean, he and the kind of people in his inner circle made all the money and everybody loses all the money. We've seen the latest job reports come out. You know, anemic would be an understatement. The only growth sector seems to be health care, an area that Donald Trump is attacking, hospitality, shedding jobs by the tens of thousands, you know, every month manufacturing, really getting hit hard.
16:58Ben Meiselas:I know you're fighting as hard as you can in this state, but it must be kind of going against really tough tides because it seems that this Trump regime keeps fighting against you and other states that are trying to bring business to their states. Yeah. And I mean, let's focus on health care for a minute. Since you mentioned it, Donald Trump is part of his scheme to get rich. He promised his friends at the very top that he would give them a huge tax cut. So what's the first thing he does? He passes that big bill, whatever they call it, to give a tax cut to the people at the very top who didn't need it.
17:36And how did he pay for it? He paid for it on the backs of hardworking Pennsylvanians and their health care or their food assistants. I mean, this is not theoretical anymore. We've had about 90 ,000 Pennsylvanians lose food assistants. We think when all the damage is done, about 140 ,000 of our neighbors will lose food assistance. That's SNAP. At the same time, we're going to have over 510 ,000 Pennsylvanians lose health care. We've already had about 150 ,000 of them lose their health care. And again, this is all to pay for a tax cut for people at the very, very top. And so when you want to think about health care, I've got a president of the United States who is working against me, who is making it harder for me to help the people in my state, who believes that we should give a tax cut to the people at the very top and pay for it on the backs of, you know, middle-class folks who are working hard, who just need a little bit of extra help to provide health care for them and for their families.
18:41That is wrong. That is immoral. And yet that is Donald Trump and that is the policies of his administration. So I think we got to try and put an end to this. We have to try and have a stop or a check on this. And that's where these midterms come in. I think we need a national referendum on Donald Trump's chaos and cruelty and corruption. Capital C cruelty is when you take food assistance or healthcare away from people who are in need. If people show up in every state, in every district across America and vote as it seems like they are poised to do. We will have a Congress of the United States that actually meets its constitutional obligation to be a check on the executive branch.
19:26And hopefully we can reverse some of these cruel policies that Trump has put forward.
19:30Ben Meiselas:Governor, before we head out, I want to share a sneak peek at a video that you will be releasing on July 4th, a unifying video about America's 250th birthday celebration. Let's play that clip. Sure. Today, we find ourselves at a moment in American history when the foundational ideals that this nation was founded on are under threat. The chaos, cruelty and corruption being injected into our democracy every day are testing the very guardrails established by our founders two and a half centuries ago. But just as it was in 1776, American freedom is not the product of a single document or the result of a single man's actions.
20:16It is the result of each of us doing our part, rising up, demanding more, working to perfect our union. Today, on the 250th anniversary of our nation's independence, we can take lessons from those who came before us.
20:35Ben Meiselas:Before we go, Gov, great video. Before we go, anything you want to say to our 7 million subscribers heading into the fourth? You know, I had the honor of standing at Independence Hall when I filmed that video. Independence Hall, where our Declaration of Independence was drafted and signed. Our Constitution was debated, deliberated over, written and signed. A lot of words on those pieces of parchment. but maybe the most important words uttered in that space was when Ben Franklin actually left Independence Hall and he went out onto the cobbled stone streets of Philadelphia and a woman walked over to him.
21:14Think about this at the time. She didn't even have the right to vote at that moment, but she walked over to Franklin and said, Dr. Franklin, what do we have here, a monarchy or a republic. Franklin looked her in the eye and said, a republic, if you can keep it. I think those words, if you can keep it, they're arguably the most important words in our republic's history and the history of our democracy, because what it means is that the citizens are empowered to keep it. The citizens are called upon to have a unique responsibility as Americans to do this work, to try and rein in excess and promote progress.
21:54That is now the challenge that we all must meet. And that challenge falls to all Americans. And so on this Independence Day, I hope everybody is reminded of that unique responsibility we have as Americans. I hope everybody considers that as we go forward and certainly keeps that in mind when they go vote this November.
22:14Ben Meiselas:Governor Josh Shapiro, thanks for joining us. Great to be with you. Thanks. Happy Independence Day. Happy Independence Day. And everybody hit subscribe. Let's get to 7 million subscribers. Want to stay plugged in? Become a subscriber to our sub stack at MidasPlus.com. You'll get daily recaps from Ron Filipkowski, ad-free episodes of our podcast, and more exclusive content only available at MidasPlus.com.
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