JD Vance Betrays Trump with 25th Amendment Plan?!!

8 Apr 2026 · 24 min · 9 chapters

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The host argues J.D. Vance is undermining Donald Trump, positioning himself to take power via the 25th Amendment, while also claiming Vance helped shape a U.S.-Iran ceasefire that the host calls a “total surrender.”

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No podcast guests are identified in the transcript; it’s a monologue citing reporting sources (e.g., New York Times, Axios) and named commentators (Marjorie Taylor Greene, Alex Jones, Matthew Iglesias, Jeet, Jeet’s referenced “As Farnooshamiri explains,” etc.).

Key claims

Vance “leaks” he opposed the Iran war and was a key dissenter; Vance helped finalize the Iran ceasefire with China; Trump agreed to Iran’s 10-point framework (bases shut down, reparations, uranium enrichment, sanctions removed). The host claims Vance’s Hungary trip with Viktor Orban reflects Kremlin talking points.

Notable examples

Trump reposting Iran’s foreign minister “victory” statement; discussion of Strait of Hormuz terms (Iran controls passage, $2M per ship, reduced daily ship count); Vance saying he’s “ready if tragedy strikes”; Hungary rally urging Orban reelection and attacking Brussels/EU.

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J.D. Vance's Political Maneuvering

1:32 to 6:02

Explore J.D. Vance's actions and statements regarding Trump and Iran.

“You better watch your back, Donald Trump, because J.D.”

Details on the Ceasefire and 25th Amendment Discussion

11:16 to 14:00

Understand the implications of the Iran ceasefire and the potential for invoking the 25th Amendment.

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Negotiations with Iran: An Overview

14:00 to 15:00

Discussion on the negotiations between the US and Iran and the implications for Donald Trump.

“Almost all of the various points of past contention have been agreed to between the United States and Iran, but a two week period will allow the agreement to be finalized and consummated.”

J.D. Vance's Leaks and Political Maneuvering

15:00 to 16:00

Exploration of J.D. Vance's political strategies and how he shapes narratives through leaks.

“Trump weighed his instincts against the deep concerns of his vice president and a pessimistic intelligence assessment.”

Trump's Health and Leadership Concerns

16:00 to 17:10

Analysis of J.D. Vance's comments regarding Trump's health and the implications of leadership.

“confidence that the war would be quick and decisive.”

J.D. Vance's Role in Foreign Affairs

17:10 to 18:50

Discussion about Vance's involvement in foreign relations and his alignment with Trump’s policies.

“Vance was leaking about his involvement in negotiations to try to bring a ceasefire about in the war in Iran.”

Vance's Support for Viktor Orban

18:50 to 20:20

Examination of J.D. Vance's support for Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban and its implications.

“So do you see the barrage of leaks coming from J.D.”

Echoes of Putin: J.D. Vance's Rhetoric

20:20 to 21:40

Analysis of how Vance's statements reflect Putin's talking points on foreign interference.

“This is part of the cost of doing business within some elements of their system.”

Concluding Thoughts on J.D. Vance

21:40 to 22:21

Final reflections on J.D. Vance's political ambitions and his relationship with Trump's health.

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1:36Ben Meiselas:You better watch your back, Donald Trump, because J.D. Vance seems like he's continuing to throw you under the bus. He sees that you are physically and cognitively deteriorating at a very rapid pace. And J.D. Vance keeps on leaking to the media that he's the real decision maker in the White House, that he was the reason why the war in Iran now has a ceasefire. He was the reason that there was a voice of dissent in the White House telling you, Donald, not to invade Iran, but you made the decision with Hegseth and Netanyahu and others while Vance said he was the one who was saying, Donald, don't do it.

2:23Ben Meiselas:J.D. Vance keeps on leaking to the New York Times, in my opinion, and to other outlets to cast himself as someone who is ready to take over the White House at a moment's notice as Donald Trump's health is rapidly declining. And he's throwing Donald Trump under the bus in so many ways. You know, I don't think that Donald Trump even read or even knew about the 10-point ceasefire plan, Iran's framework, because either Donald Trump didn't read it or Donald Trump just knowingly entered into a deal that gave Iran quite literally everything Iran could have wanted in its wildest imagination of its wish list, right?

3:17Ben Meiselas:Iran, their 10-point plants as the U.S. military bases in the Middle East all need to be shut down. The U.S. needs to give full reparations to Iran. Iran can continue to enrich all of its uranium. Iran gets security guarantees for itself, Hezbollah, the Houthis, the Shiite militias in Iraq. Iran has all the sanctions against it removed. Iran is recognized as a major player now in geopolitical affairs. and apparently J.D. Vance was in the room. He was the one who told Donald, hey, Donald, I think you got to do this deal. It's a really strong deal. And I think J.D. Vance, in my opinion, knows that Donald Trump is cognitively and physically declining.

4:11Ben Meiselas:I think he knows the fear that Donald Trump had as he saw the markets crashing. And the U.S. framework for negotiation was a 15-point plan of basically full surrender for the Iranians. The Iran plan, their negotiation strategy was a full surrender for the United States. And so people were wondering, how could you bring these sides together when Iran said it wasn't going to move off of its 10-point framework for negotiations unless Trump just adopted the 10-point framework? And I don't think Donald Trump knows the difference between the number 15 and the number 10. I think Donald Trump was desperate for a deal.

4:58Ben Meiselas:He's pathetic. He's a very weak negotiator. He knew that the deadline that he set could not be met. He was too scared to execute on his plan, although he talked a big game about blowing up the Iranian civilization. And who was in the room? Who swooped in to kind of finalize the deal and tell Donald Trump to take it, which will go down as the worst deal in American history. And this is the biggest, most embarrassing, most humiliating loss in American history. So J.D. Vance casts himself as the person who helped bring peace. That's how he tries to frame it, which is BS. While having Donald Trump take the brunt of the fact that you just gave up everything, you surrendered, Donald.

5:48Ben Meiselas:You see what J.D. Vance has been doing here? And then yesterday morning, we read this New York Times expose about how the war in Iran started, and it could have been avoided. Trump's unlawful invasion. And it looked like it was written by J.D. Vance. It talked about how strongly J.D. Vance was working behind the scenes to stop Donald Trump from going to war with Iran. And J.D. Vance was yelling at Netanyahu and yelling at Hegseth. And he was the voice of reason behind the scenes. But he couldn't prevail upon Donald Trump because Donald Trump was bloodthirsty. Remember that, bloodthirsty is how Axios said it.

6:29New York Times didn't use that exact language, but they described a frenzied and frantic Donald Trump working with Netanyahu and Hegseth on his, but Vance was the voice of reason. J.D. Vance was also taking a major international trip in the past 24 hours where you know how Donald Trump is a Putin puppet, in my opinion, a Putin sycophant, a Putin bootlicker, right? I think J.D. Vance is angling himself to be kind of that Putin snake, that Putin sidekick, if you will, because J.D. Vance took that trip to Hungary. He held the campaign rally with Viktor Orban. He attacked Brussels. He attacked the European Union.

7:12He told the people, vote for Viktor Orban. He gave a lot of Kremlin talking points, right? J.D. Vance, in my opinion, if you look at what he was saying in Hungary, he was just spewing Putin talking point after Putin talking point after Putin talking point. And so I think you put these puzzle pieces together and also other statements J.D. Vance has made recently saying, you know, if something happens to Donald Trump's health, he's incredibly healthy. We all know that, right? But if something were to happen, I've got to be ready to step in on day one, right? So I think there's an intense amount of pressure going on there.

7:49I think Donald Trump knows what's happening and he's getting deeply paranoid. And I think when Donald Trump was saying recently in one of those speeches, I love surrounding myself with losers and stupid people. That was his way of attacking J.D.

8:05Ben Meiselas:Vance, who he now sees as a threat in trying to basically undermine him in every way as people are seriously talking about the 25th Amendment. Now, people aren't throwing around the 25th Amendment in hyperbolic terms, right? It's not like they're saying, oh, the 25th Amendment. No, no. I mean, very serious lawmakers, dozens of lawmakers are saying 25th Amendment, you got to remove Donald Trump. He's physically and mentally unfit for this position. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who knew Donald Trump better than anyone, says he's physically and mentally unwell. He needs to be removed. People like Alex Jones, lots of kind of right-wing former MAGA people who know him well, say that this guy is physically, mentally, he can't do it anymore.

8:50He's all over the place. I mean, the fact that Donald Trump was posting all of last night, Iran's victory statement, Trump was posting on his social media Iran's foreign minister Aragji declaring victory and talking about how, yeah, there was this 15-point plan, but Donald Trump agreed to Iran's 10-point plan. And Trump reposted that like that was a victory. And whether Donald Trump actually understands, I mean, the 10 terms were complete surrender for the US. And again, I think we all know Trump was panicking and he was going to try to do some sort of kind of fake deal or give up or taco as it's called.

9:34But I think J.D. Vance put the dagger in also because all the reporting is J.D. Vance was working with the Chinese diplomats from China as well as Russians. They were the ones really kind of working with Pakistan to formulate this. And then they put it on Donald as though Donald embraced it. And my theory is, I think this ceasefire is going to fall apart very soon. I don't think it holds. When you actually dig into it, I mean, Iran says it controls the Strait of Hormuz. I should have mentioned that earlier. And it will charge$2 million per ship that goes through the Strait of Hormuz. And it will maybe allow 10 ships a day, where in the past it was 150 ships a day.

10:18And the Iranian army will be the ones who take these ships through the Strait of Hormuz. And so I think with dynamics like that, once the details are kind of more known, which they should be known, I think this falls apart quickly. And when it falls apart quickly also, who's it going to fall apart on? It's going to fall apart on Donald and waiting in the wings, I think is J.D. Vance, again, who's ready to pounce and be like, look, I'm the guy who's trying to make it work. And I've been working with the Chinese and I've been working with the Russians and I've working with all of that. But again, I'm not going to try to be conspiratorial here.

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12:54Here is the scoop just so you understand about how this so-called ceasefire, which is a total surrender by the United States, came about. As Farnooshamiri explains, An official from one of the mediating country tells me that the 11th hour deal between the US and Iran came together after involvement of two unlikely actors, JD Vance and China. Vance was looped in late Tuesday and China helped get Iran on board. Right. And so if you're, my theory was this, that if you're Iran, even if you know the ceasefire is going to fall apart, the fact that you can get the president of the United States to make a social media post that says that he's negotiating within your 10-point framework?

13:40Can you think of anything more humiliating for the United States to be put through where the president of the United States is admitting to a full surrender to give up all of its bases in the Middle East and not even realizing that that's what he's doing? Look at what Trump said. This is what Trump posted. We received a 10-point proposal from Iran and believe it is a work basis on which to negotiate. Almost all of the various points of past contention have been agreed to between the United States and Iran, but a two week period will allow the agreement to be finalized and consummated. Did J.D.

14:16Vance write that for him? I mean, when you look at the 10 points about what they're saying this deal is all about, I mean, the deal is complete and total surrender for Donald Trump in the United States. It's wild. It's wild. So there was that story. As Jeet here explains, it's very telling that Vance has been leaking to suggest he opposed the war before it started and was the lone dissenter in the White House, and that he played a key part in this ceasefire, but distanced himself from the actual terms of the ceasefire. Right. Early yesterday, this was the article, how Trump took the U S to war with Iran and a series of situation room meetings.

15:00Trump weighed his instincts against the deep concerns of his vice president and a pessimistic intelligence assessment. Here's the inside story of how he made the fateful decision. As Matthew Iglesias says, important lesson here from J.D. Vance for all high level politicos. If you give the scoops, you get to shape the narrative. Here's what it's said, the reporting underscores how closely Mr. Trump's hawkish thinking aligned with Netanyahu's over many months, more so than even some of the president's key advisors recognize. Their close association has been an enduring feature across two administrations.

15:38And that dynamic, however, fraud at times has fueled intense criticism and suspicion on both the left and the right of American politics. And it shows how, in the end, even the more skeptical members of Mr. Trump's war cabinet, with the stark exception of Mr. Vance, the figure inside the White House most opposed to full-scale war, deferred to the president's instincts, including his abundant confidence that the war would be quick and decisive. The White House declined to comment. Who do you think's feeding that information? Come on. That's coming from J.D. Vance. Remember a few weeks back when J.D.

16:16Vance, or recently, I'm not sure if it was a few weeks back, but it was recent, this interview, where he says, yeah, Donald Trump's very healthy, but I'll be ready if tragedy strikes. What a strange thing to say. I'll be ready if tragedy strikes. Play this clip. You seem to go with the flow pretty well. Do you have quiet moments? Do you think about that? Yeah, honestly, Sean, I try not to. I mean, one, I serve under Donald Trump, who is very healthy. He casts a pretty big shadow. He casts a big shadow. But if I served under Joe Biden, I'd probably be worried every minute of every day that he was going to croak and that I'd have to become president.

16:51But because I serve a president. You have a bat phone. OK, did it just happen? Like, I'd never be able to sleep. I'd always have my cell phone as loud as possible. But no, the president, one, you know, he's got a lot of energy. He's extremely healthy. So I don't think about that. Obviously, that's part of the job is you've got to be ready if tragedy strikes. And then I have another example, too, where J.D. Vance was leaking about his involvement in negotiations to try to bring a ceasefire about in the war in Iran. Remember the story of Kamal Qarazi, Iran's former foreign minister, who was involved in negotiations with the help of, you know, with Pakistan, and they wanted to bring this guy in to try to negotiate a ceasefire.

17:33It was about a week ago. Remember, the U.S. and Israel then bombed his home and killed his wife when he was the person picked by Pakistan. Two Iranian officials told the New York Times that he had been overseeing engagement with Pakistan to arrange a possible meeting between Iranian officials and J.D. Vance. So you have J.D. Vance's name coming out again and again in these types of contexts. Remember when Donald Trump said, I like to hang out with losers because us. It makes me feel better. This was clearly directed at J.D. Vance. Here, play this clip.

18:08Ben Meiselas:What is missing in leadership? Well, it's winning. You got to win. You know, I've watched a lot of people, leaders, great leaders. And, you know, the one thing about sports is you break it down into, you know, a two-hour period, something nice. You don't have to wait a lifetime to find out is somebody a winner or a loser. You got a lot of losers, mostly losers, fortunately. It's a good thing to have a lot of losers. I always like to hang around with losers, actually, because it makes me feel better. I hate guys that are very, very successful, and you have to listen to their success stories. I like people that like to listen to my success.

18:42And then there was this story right here, another leak to Axios, the Trump regime's favorite source to leak things to. This was from March 27th, 2026. According to Barack Ravid, U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance had a difficult call with Israel Prime Minister Netanyahu on Monday, where he said that Israeli assessments for toppling the Iranian regime were not realistic enough, saying you were too optimistic in your assessment regarding the overthrow of the regime in Iran. So do you see the barrage of leaks coming from J.D. Vance? And that brings me to this following conclusion, which is J.D. Vance in Hungary doing the role that Trump usually does, the Putin puppet, the Putin sycophant.

19:24J.D., whether he's working with Russia on this right now in China, or whether he sees this as his path to power, take a look at what he says, where he says we have to go get Viktor Orban reelected. Here, play this clip. That's obviously a tough act to follow, but I'm going to do my best because we have got to get Viktor Orban reelected as prime minister of Hungary, don't we?

19:55you know and he's quite literally parroting uh putin's talking points like this where he says ukraine is interfering with elections in the u.s and in hungary which they're not but this is a direct putin talking point play this clip so to answer your question yes we're certainly aware that there are elements within the ukrainian intelligence services that tried to put their thumb on the scale of American elections, on Hungarian elections. This is just what they do. This is part of the cost of doing business within some elements of their system. And finally, there's this Putin talking point where J.D.

20:29Vance says that Hungary's under attack from Brussels, from the European Union. Again, another Putin talking point. Here, play this clip. What has happened in this country, what has happened in the midst of this election campaign is one of the worst examples of foreign election interference that I've ever seen or ever even read about. The bureaucrats in Brussels have tried to destroy the economy of Hungary. They have tried to make Hungary less energy independent. They have tried to drive up costs for Hungarian consumers, and they've done it all because they hate this guy. But I think that what the people of Hungary, what I would encourage them to do is ask themselves the question, not who's pro or anti-Europe, not who's pro or anti the United States of America, but who is pro you?

21:18Who is pro the people of Hungary? So to me, you put it all together. I think that J.D. Vance, you could disagree, but I think J.D. Vance sees what's happening to Trump's physical and mental health, and he is nudging it over the finish line. You tell me what you think. We're all entitled to our opinions, but I wanted to back up my opinions with the data points of what I see, but you could disagree. Hit subscribe. Let's get to 7 million subscribers and thanks for watching.

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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Vice President JD Vance seemingly undermining Trump in public and with the press as the calls for Trump to be removed from office under the 25th Amendment grows louder.

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