In short
The episode discusses Kristi Noem’s walkout during a House cross-examination hearing, framed as Democrats “masterclass” questioning.
Key claims
Noem allegedly avoided answering questions about deportations, asylum legality, and compliance with federal court orders; she reportedly claimed DHS follows the law and that she would review cases, while Democrats cite alleged unlawful deportations and detentions. Notable examples used in questioning include: Sejun Park, a Purple Heart combat veteran deported to Korea despite PTSD/substance recovery; Jim Brown’s wife Donna, allegedly jailed for four months over two $80 bad checks; and claims that DHS detained/deported people with ongoing asylum applications.
Guests
none are interviewed; the “guests” referenced are Democratic lawmakers (Seth Magaziner, Dan Goldman, plus others) and the veteran/deportation subjects (Sejun Park, Jim Brown, Donna Brown).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOSupporting Families in Crisis
0:46 to 1:48
Hear a personal story about fundraising for a mother of an autistic child.
“My name is Mackenzie and I started a GoFundMe for the adoptive mother of a nonverbal autistic child.”
Kristi Noem's Cross-Examination
1:50 to 5:32
A detailed breakdown of Kristi Noem's hearing and questioning by Congress.
“And then she said she had to leave the hearing early because she had other commitments.”
Key Moments in the Hearing
5:32 to 9:00
Analyze the pivotal moments and statements during the cross-examination.
“cross-examining Kristi Noem, and then Kristi Noem just tried to yell and talk over her.”
Benny Thompson's Antifa Inquiry
12:12 to 14:00
Explore Benny Thompson's questioning of an FBI representative regarding Antifa.
“So Benny Thompson, Congressman Thompson, Democrat, he had the best line of questioning.”
Cross-Examination of Kristi Noem
14:00 to 15:01
This segment delves into a cross-examination of Kristi Noem, revealing accusations of dishonesty.
“How many members do they have in the United States as of right now?”
Revelations on ICE Practices
15:01 to 17:26
Discussion about ICE's actions during the hearings, including claims of dishonesty and mismanagement.
“So you had a Congresswoman Ramirez, I think, realize that Kristi Noem was just going to lie the whole time.”
Critique of Government Actions
17:26 to 20:18
Analyzing the government's treatment of citizens and immigrants, and highlighting key moments from the hearings.
“And your agents used chemical weapons in Chicago despite court orders from District Court Judge Ellis forbidding their use.”
Congress Members' Performance
20:18 to 21:04
Highlighting commendable performances of Congress members during the hearings.
“So then the Trump regime took it down because they were humiliated by a pop star.”
Transcript
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1:47Ben Meiselas:Kristi Noem was just cross-examined at a House of Representative hearing by Democrats who put on a masterclass. Kristi Noem was stunned. She was largely frozen. And then she said she had to leave the hearing early because she had other commitments. She then walked out and was heckled by people in the crowd as she left. Now, leading the incredible cross-examination was Democratic Congress member Seth Magaziner from Rhode Island. This is one of the best line of questioning I've ever seen as a trial lawyer, I might add. So let me show you what Magaziner did right here. It was absolutely brilliant.
2:27Ben Meiselas:Here, play this clip. Madam Secretary, how many United States military veterans have you deported? Sir, we have not deported U.S. citizens or military veterans. I don't believe you served in the military. I haven't either. But I think you and I can agree that as Americans, we owe everything to those who have served our country in uniform, particularly those who have served in combat. Do you agree with that? Sir, I believe that people that are in this United States that are citizens have legal status here. Madam Secretary, we are joined on Zoom by a gentleman named Sejun Park. He is a United States Army combat veteran who was shot twice while serving our country in Panama in 1989.
3:09Like many veterans, he struggled with PTSD and substance abuse after his service. He was arrested in the 1990s for some minor drug offenses, nothing serious. He never hurt anyone besides himself, and he's been clean and sober for 14 years. He is a combat veteran, a Purple Heart recipient. He has sacrificed more for this country than most people ever have. Earlier this year, you deported him to Korea, a country he hasn't lived in since he was seven years old. Will you join me in thanking Mr. Park for his service to our country? Sir, I'm grateful for every single person that has served our country and follows our laws.
3:46Can you please tell Mr. Park why you deported him? Every one of them needs to be enforced. But you understand that many veterans struggle with PTSD. Many veterans struggle with substance abuse challenges. This man took two bullets for our country. You have broad authority, by the way, as secretary, to issue humanitarian parole, to do deferred action. Will you commit to at least looking at Mr. Park's case to see if you can help him find a pathway back to this country that he sacrificed so much for? I will absolutely look at his case, but I want you to remember that our programs need to have a committee as well.
4:18Madam Secretary, the man behind you, please stand up, sir. His name is Jim Brown from Troy, Missouri. He is a Navy combat veteran who served our country in the Gulf War. He's married to a woman named Donna who came to our country legally from Ireland when she was 11 years old. She has lived here for 48 years. Because of you, Jim's wife Donna has been in prison for the last four months. She did not come here illegally, and she has never committed any crime other than writing two bad checks totaling$80 10 years ago. She is currently in prison and facing deportation. Ms. Noam, will you thank Mr. Brown for his service to our country?
5:02Thank you, Mr. Brown, for your service to our country. Now, what possible explanation can there be for locking up his wife for four months when she has committed no crime other than writing a couple of bad checks for$80? Sir, it is not my prerogative, my latitude, or my job to pick and choose which laws in this country get enforced. You have broad discretion as the secretary. You can issue parole. You can do all kinds of things, but you're choosing not to. Will you commit, again, to just reviewing Donna's case and reuniting this combat veteran with his beloved wife who also loves this country?
5:36I will review the case.
5:38Ben Meiselas:Then you had Congresswoman MacGyver. cross-examining Kristi Noem, and then Kristi Noem just tried to yell and talk over her. Here, watch what took place. Let's play it. Thank you, Secretary Noem. Do you agree that using DHS resources to target members of Congress is an abuse of power? Excuse me, would you say that again? You would have heard me if you stopped talking and listened to my questions. Do you agree that using DHS resources to target members of Congress is an abuse of power? We are not doing that. We are out there enforcing the law, doing our work, and we are allowing oversight. Of course, we're not going to get any answers.
6:14With that, Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
6:17Ben Meiselas:Gentle lady yields back. I now recognize the gentleman from Oklahoma, Mr. McKean, for five minutes of questions. Next, I'll show you Democratic Congress member Dan Goldman cross-examining Kristi Noem and getting her to essentially admit that what she was doing by going after people who were going through the asylum process is patently unlawful. Here, play this clip. To the five minutes, I'm sorry, but the gentleman from New York is now recognized, Mr. Goldman, for five minutes. Secretary Noem, let's talk about the law. Do you agree that asylum is a lawful pathway to immigrate to this country? Yes or no?
6:54There's an asylum program, yes, in place.
6:56Ben Meiselas:All right, so immigrants then with ongoing asylum applications are legally in this country, correct? Excuse me, I'm sorry. Your question was? immigrants with ongoing asylum applications are legally in this country. There are individuals in this country that have applications that and they are legally here because it's a lawful pathway, right? It's a lawful pathway. Okay, so if your department then deports anyone with an ongoing asylum application, you are violating the law, correct? Joe Biden left us. I'm not asking about Joe Biden, I'm asking you a specific question. If your department deports anyone with an ongoing asylum application, you are violating the law.
7:42Ben Meiselas:Is that correct? It was greatly violated when they allowed. I'm asking you. I'm asking you. Asylum. Why are you filibustering? Why can't you answer the question? It's a simple question. Your president, if your department, your secretary reports anyone with an ongoing asylum application, you are violating the law. Isn't that correct? The asylum program was broken under the last... Mr. Chairman, I will reclaim my time. She's not answering the question. But the obvious answer is that yes, if you follow a lawful pathway, asylum is a lawful pathway. If you have an open asylum case, you are here lawfully.
8:22Ben Meiselas:But the problem that we are seeing around the country is that you are not following the law. Don't tell us to change the law. If you don't like the asylum system, you change the asylum law. Bring it to us. We'll work with you. I think it needs to be changed. But you can't just decide that you're not going to follow the law, and asylum is a law, and deport people who have ongoing applications. Unfortunately, that is exactly what's happening. It's happening across the street from my office right in New York City. And then Kristi Noem said, I got to go. I'm out. I actually have other commitments to be at.
9:03Ben Meiselas:So I'm going to have to leave this hearing a little bit early. Here play this clip. Dollars immediately and we're responding immediately to our people. I have to actually leave this hearing early because the FEMA Review Council is giving their report today on suggestions for changes to FEMA. Thank you for not taking your foot off the gas on that. I have to co-chair it, but I will be leaving soon to have to go do that. But those... And here she was heckled on the way out. Let's play it. Recognize a gentle lady from Texas, Ms. Johnson. Five minutes of questions.
9:38Ben Meiselas:I'm just going to take the position that she was scared of my questions.
9:44Ben Meiselas:Mr. Chairman, if we could stop the clock and wait until after all this... Clerk will suspend. We could reset the time. That would be helpful. We'll reset the clock.
10:02Ben Meiselas:Gentle lady. are is
10:43Okay. Thank you. That's recognized. Yeah. Thank you, Mr.
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12:43Ben Meiselas:Where's their headquarters? How many people are part of it? You're the head of the FBI as it relates to Antifa. Tell us and watch this guy crumble under Thompson's cross-examination. Play this clip. Executive board of the domestic terrorist organization, Antifa. That's our primary concern right now. All right, that's what President Trump did. What did the FBI say? We share the same view. When you look at the data right now, you look at the domestic terrorist threat that we're facing. Right now, what I see from my position is that's the most immediate violent threat that we're facing on the domestic side.
13:22So where is Antifa headquartered?
13:28What we're doing right now with the organization. Where in the United States does Antifa exist? If it's a terrorist organization and you've identified it as number one. We are building out that infrastructure right now. So what does that mean? I'm just, we're trying to get the information. You said Antifa is a terrorist organization. Tell us as a committee, how did you come to that? Where do we exist? How many members do they have in the United States as of right now? Well, that's very fluid. It's ongoing for us to understand that. The same, no different than al-Qaeda and ISIS. No, no, I don't want you to ask one question, sir.
14:15I just want you to tell us. If you said Antifa is the number one domestic terrorist organization operating in the United States, I just need to know where they are, how many people. I don't want a name. I don't want anything like that. Just how many people have you identified with the FBI that Antifa is made of? Well, the investigations are active. So you wouldn't come to this committee and say something you can't prove. I know. I know you wouldn't do that. But you did.
14:55Ben Meiselas:Oh, yeah. I want to show you one other point of that Christy Noem hearing, the cross-examiner. So you had a Congresswoman Ramirez, I think, realize that Kristi Noem was just going to lie the whole time. So she just made this incredible kind of compilation to show that Kristi Noem is a pathetic little liar. Watch this. Here, play this clip. An article by ProPublica from October 16, 2025, entitled, we found that more than 170 U.S. citizens have been held by immigration agents. They've been kicked. There's nothing smiling about U.S. citizens. I'm sorry. That's very inappropriate. Let me continue.
15:34They've been kicked, dragged, and detained for days. Next one.
15:43The Trump administration has specifically targeted the worst of the worst. The individuals that we are going after are those that are violent criminals, those that are breaking our laws. Do you, Secretary Noem, again, you lied to the American people. I will be including to the article, into the record, an article by the NBC News from December 7, 2025 entitled, ICE has arrested nearly 75 ,000 people with no criminal records, data shows.
16:21The co-equal branch of government and it is your obligation as a member of the executive branch to honor decisions made by the highest court of the land. Yes or no, secretary? We are abiding by all federal judges' orders. The Justice Department said that when the administration was ordered back in March to stop sending detained migrants to a mega prison in El Salvador, you personally made the final call to continue the flights anyway. Is that correct? And the decisions that are made on deportations, where flights go and when they go are my decision at the Department of Homeland Security. We'll continue to do the right thing, continue to work and do protect Americans no matter what radical judge comes out and tries to stop us.
17:10You lied on the record and you lied to members of this committee. You violated court orders by not turning around deportation flights bound for El Salvador, where we know that hundreds of people under your leadership have reported that they were raped, they were beaten, and they nearly died. And your agents used chemical weapons in Chicago despite court orders from District Court Judge Ellis forbidding their use. Secretary Noem, you, Gregory Bovino, and your ICBP and DHS deputized agents have waged an unaccountable, unlawful, unconstitutional war against communities across the nation.
17:52Ben Meiselas:I'll show you this other moment, too, where you had another Democratic congressman say, look, you're not following federal court orders. We all know that to be the case. Here, let's play this. Donald Trump said that your ICE agents haven't gone far enough. Do you think terrorizing American citizens and assaulting peaceful protesters isn't far enough? Congressman, the Department of Homeland Security and this administration complies with all federal court orders. We always have and we always... Not true. And we will continue to appeal. And sir, I will even tell you that at the highest court, at the Supreme Court, the Department of Homeland Security and our litigation has an over 90 % success rate in winning at the highest court in our battle against activist judges across this country.
18:36We will continue to appeal and then when it gets to the highest court and we get a decision, it is proven that we have been compliant. I will also say, Madam Secretary, let me, want me to answer your questions or not?
18:50Ben Meiselas:I do, but let me, you haven't been telling us the truth. Look, there have been at least 170 known cases of citizens being arrested or detained by federal immigration agents this year alone. This is the truth. Are you lying to the American people right now by denying these reports? When we are doing our targeted enforcement operations against criminal illegal aliens, individuals that are in that area may be detained until we verify who they are and then they are released. This has been done for years and every single law enforcement operation that has always happened, we follow the same protocols and we continue to do that.
19:27We have never once detained or deported an American citizen. We have not held them and charged them. When we find out to verify their identity, then that is when they are released.
19:38Ben Meiselas:And then I'll remind you all that I did a video on it this morning that Kristi Noem, she may be too busy to remain in Congress, but not too busy for the Department of Homeland Security to make videos, more torture videos showing Border Patrol agents and ICE attacking migrants. and they go cuffing season. And then they made another one, obviously, you know, with Sabrina Carpenter's music and Sabrina Carpenter called them out and said, don't you dare steal my music and use it to attack migrants. And then the Trump regime attacked Sabrina Carpenter, the pop star, and then Sabrina Carpenter got like 138 million views to her post.
20:21Ben Meiselas:So then the Trump regime took it down because they were humiliated by a pop star. Remember that? Oh, and then Governor Newsom posted his own video of Cuffing Season, which was a video of Donald Trump and Hegseth and Stephen Miller getting handcuffed and thrown into prison for being war criminals and their crimes against humanity. Great work to all of the Congress members we highlighted, but especially Congress member Magaziner. That was brilliant. And our heart goes out to all those in the veteran community in general and those who are all under attack by this regime and those who are in the the House of Representatives hearing either there or virtually.
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