In short
The episode argues that “MAGA Mike” (Rep. Mike Johnson) is stalling or misleading on releasing Jeffrey Epstein-related records, while also defending GOP positions during a government shutdown and criticizing Republican healthcare and SNAP actions.
Guest backgrounds
No guests are identified in the transcript.
Key claims
The discharge petition for releasing Epstein files was allegedly mishandled (and Democrats are blamed for blocking unanimous consent), while the Oversight Committee has already released “over 50,000 pages.” The episode also claims a continuing resolution includes a “corrupt kickback” paying eight GOP senators over $1M each after their phone numbers appeared in Jack Smith subpoenas tied to Jan. 6. It further alleges Trump sought to cut SNAP and end ACA subsidies, and that GOP healthcare plans are vague.
Notable examples
Adelita Grijalva signing the discharge petition; Rep. Don Bacon saying he’ll vote yes; references to Trump’s relationship with Epstein and Mar-a-Lago eviction; quotes from McGovern and AOC attacking the CR provision.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOMAGA Mike's Reaction to Epstein Emails
0:31 to 0:56
Discussion on MAGA Mike's response and implications of the Epstein file release.
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MAGA Mike's Reaction to Epstein Emails
2:45 to 5:28
Discussion on MAGA Mike's response and implications of the Epstein file release.
“The more you look through that batch of 20 ,000 Epstein emails, the more devastating it is for Donald Trump.”
MAGA Mike's Defense and Transparency Claims
5:28 to 7:30
Analysis of MAGA Mike's claims about transparency and handling of the Epstein files.
“So you can hold up that Bible of yours, but we all know what you are doing, Magda Mike.”
Healthcare and SNAP Benefits Debate
7:30 to 9:29
Debate around healthcare policies and SNAP benefits linked to MAGA Mike.
“Again, like this Maga Mike, like they think we're stupid, huh?”
Healthcare and SNAP Benefits Debate
10:34 to 11:27
Debate around healthcare policies and SNAP benefits linked to MAGA Mike.
“Okay, let's talk about something we all deal with, bad hair days.”
MAGA Mike's Claims About Democrats
11:42 to 14:00
Critique of MAGA Mike's comments regarding the Democrats and the discharge petition.
“discharge petition for unanimous consent and the Democrats blocked it.”
MAGA Mike's Frustration with Senate Leadership
14:00 to 14:48
Learn about MAGA Mike's displeasure with Senate leadership over recent provisions.
“because their names appeared on subpoena because of their connection to the January 6th insurrection.”
Calls for Transparency and Repeal
14:48 to 15:51
MAGA Mike discusses the need for transparency and plans to repeal controversial provisions.
“Well, I did call Leader Thune this morning.”
Criticism of Republican Actions and Wealth Disparity
15:51 to 18:47
Discussion on the criticisms from Democrats regarding Republican actions and wealth inequality.
“And I'm going to expect our colleagues in the Senate to do the same thing.”
GOP Defections and Support for Transparency
18:47 to 19:54
MAGA Mike faces defections within the GOP as calls for transparency grow.
“It is unconscionable that what we are debating right now is legislation that will give eight members of the United States Senate over a million dollars apiece.”
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Congressman Bacon's Take on Transparency
19:54 to 21:43
Representative Bacon shares his views on the need for transparency regarding Epstein files.
“And we think that there's gonna be 50 to 60 other Republicans who will vote this way to release the files.”
Transcript
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2:45Ben Meiselas:No one's cherry picking. The more you look through that batch of 20 ,000 Epstein emails, the more devastating it is for Donald Trump. I mean, horrific, horrific stuff that we've covered in detail here on the Midas Touch Network. And then, of course, the discharge petition was signed by Adelita Grijalva, the 218th signature. That means the Epstein file release will go for a vote before the full House of Representatives and MAGA Mike's going to have to put it up for a vote. And now we're learning there could be as much as 30, 40, perhaps even 50 defections of MAGA Republicans who will now be voting with the Democrats to release the Epstein files.
3:31Ben Meiselas:The 20 ,000 emails that were released yesterday are not the files. as devastating, damaging, catastrophic for Trump, those emails are, that's not even the worst stuff. The worst stuff is in the files. And there's terabytes and terabytes of documents. And Maga Mike is terrified and terrified of the terabytes and the terabytes. Just watch Maga Mike yesterday. Let me just show you a few of these clips. So you have Maga Mike. He's like, all right, all right. But look, we've been very productive. Isn't this Congress the most productive Congress ever? Aren't we so productive? Dude, you haven't even worked.
4:09Ben Meiselas:You sent people on vacation for like the last 100 days. You've worked 12 of the last 100 days. But go ahead, MAGA Mike. You think we're going to get distracted by your work ethic? Here, play this clip. We're going to deliver for the American people as we have been doing. I'll leave you with this thought. There's a split screen in America right now. There's a split screen on one side of the screen. You have President Trump and the Republican majorities in the Congress and the Senate and the House doing the work for the American people. Look what we've achieved in the first 10 months of this year.
4:39You can make an argument that it's the most productive season for a new Congress and a new presidency, a new administration, at least in the modern era, maybe of all time.
4:48Ben Meiselas:And then MAGA Mike's like, look, look, look, in response to a question about, you said you wanted full transparency. So why did you have to force Thomas Massey, Republican and Democratic Congress member Ro Khanna to even do this discharge petition. Why not bring this for a vote in the first place? And MAGA Mike, this guy's such a scumbag. He's such a liar. He's like, okay, okay, look, look, look, look. We did it for the victims. The way the discharge petition read, it hurts the victims. So we're just trying to save the victims. No, you are covering up for a child sex trafficking ring, the PPP, the Peto Protection Program, and you are complicit.
5:28Ben Meiselas:So you can hold up that Bible of yours, but we all know what you are doing, Magda Mike. Here, play this clip. For full transparency. So why not just urge all your Republicans to vote for this Massey-Connor bill on the Epstein files next week? Put on all the files. Let the American public judge for themselves what we are. Thank you for asking the question. We have been for maximum transparency of the Epstein files from the very beginning. What I was opposed to is the reckless disregard that was used in drafting the discharge petition. And we've been over this many times, but it was not drafted in such a way that it would adequately protect innocent victims.
6:05We have a responsibility to do that. There's many as a thousand women, by some estimates, of people who have been victimized because of the sex trafficking and Epstein and all these horrendous, heinous crimes. And we can't have them subjected to any further harm. So we wanted to make sure that they were properly, whose names were properly redacted out of the files. But the discharge petition is not only reckless, it is also a totally moot point. The Oversight Committee has been working, as you all know, around the clock, working on this. And you have some of the toughest members of Congress on the Republican and Democrat side who are working in bipartisan fashion to go through and release those files.
6:41As we stand here tonight, I think it's, we're up to over 50 ,000 pages of records that are out in the open. You can go online tonight if you're at home and go through it yourself. And the Epstein estate files thus far has been the biggest tranche of important information. We found that outside of the scope of the discharge petition because it was never even anticipated or included in the discharge. The oversight committee, well, let me finish, let me finish. The oversight committee has been digging into that and some of the most valuable information was in the estate files. It includes just Jeffrey Epstein's own personal logs, his travel logs, his financial ledgers, his daily calendar.
7:18All this is now out in the public and more is to come. Chairman Comer of the Oversight Committee has done an extraordinary job. You have, again, some of the most notable members in Congress working on that around the clock, and they will continue to have full disclosure.
7:30Ben Meiselas:Again, like this Maga Mike, like they think we're stupid, huh? Like they just think that we're stupid. We're not. We know what you're up to. Then you have Maga Mike saying, look, what Donald Trump's really been focused on, He's been working around the clock to mitigate the pain of the American people. Bag of Mike, Donald Trump filed emergency motions with the Supreme Court demanding they deprive Americans of their SNAP benefits. He said, please, Judge, please, Supreme Court, deprive 42 million Americans of their SNAP benefits. And also the whole reason for this shutdown is that you and Donald Trump want to rip away health care from 20 million Americans.
8:08Ben Meiselas:you're taking away the Affordable Care Act subsidies, which make healthcare unaffordable. So people will lose their insurance and when they don't have insurance and they get sick, they die and blood is on your hands. Meg and Mike here play this clip. And we'll be talking with the team. The president, as you know, has bent over backwards through this entire ordeal. In the longest shutdown in US history, he worked around the clock every day to mitigate the pain, to reduce the pain as much as possible for the people. They found creative ways to get the troops paid, to keep women, infants, and children nutrition programs going and all the rest.
8:38And so you'll see that same level of fervor. The entire cabinet, the entire administration is going to work around the clock to get the government open and operational again as quickly as possible. They'll do that as fast as we can. And of course, we'll give them every aid and assistance that we can out of the House and the Senate.
8:55Ben Meiselas:So then Mike's like, but you trust us, right? We have so many good ideas on healthcare. What are your ideas? Destroy Obamacare. Then what? Then what happens? What's Donald Trump's idea? Give people$2 ,000 and say, buy your health care? What does that even mean? What is that? What is this? That doesn't even make any sense. And you're not even giving the$2 ,000. You've been promising$5 ,000 doze checks. What happens when someone requires a surgery that, I don't know, say is$3 ,000? That's more than$2 ,000, by the way. I know you and Trump can't do math. What if it's$10 ,000? What if it's$50 ,000?
9:31Ben Meiselas:What if it's a million dollars? Because that's sometimes what surgeries cost. Is that$2 ,000 check, MAGA Mike, is that your plan? Is that your volumes of ideas? Here, play this clip. Who are you going to trust to fix healthcare? It's the Republican Party, because we have volumes of ideas on how to do this, on how to fix it, on how to drive costs down and how to increase access to care and quality of care. And you're going to see all that vigorous debate. So then MAGA Mike here says, well, because he's asked the question, So will you guarantee a vote on extending the Affordable Care Act subsidies?
10:04Ben Meiselas:Because the Senate says that they're going to take up a vote, but the Republicans are not going to vote for it. OK, so, Maggie Mike, are you going to allow for a vote? Well, shucks. No, no, no, no. Here play this clip. The answer to your question is, am I going to guarantee a vote on ACA unreformed COVID era subsidies that is just a boondoggle to insurance companies and robs the taxpayer? We've got a lot of work to do on that. The Republicans would demand a lot of reforms before anything like that was ever possible. And we have to go through that deliberative process. Okay, let's talk about something we all deal with, bad hair days.
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11:40Ben Meiselas:Thanks to iristore. Then Mega Mike says, why isn't anybody in the press writing about how we put forward the discharge petition for unanimous consent and the Democrats blocked it. Like he's like making up some story that the Democrats blocked their own discharge petition. Like we think we're stupid. The Democrats didn't block the release of the Epstein. You're the one blocking it. The Democrats are the one pushing for it. Like, again, you think you're going to like trick us with this stuff? Like he thinks, again, he treats people like they're dumb. Magamushbrain. Here, play this clip. I want to say this tonight, and I think this is a shame to a lot of the Hill press I'm not going to name any of you by name, but I haven't seen many stories written yet about the fact that we put the discharge up for unanimous consent on the floor tonight.
12:28The Republicans, I, the Speaker, and the Republicans, asked for unanimous consent to just go ahead and pass the discharge because I think it's a moot point. The Democrats objected to the unanimous consent. Nobody's written a story about that. That's stunning to me. How can you miss that? But if it was about transparency, if it was about full disclosure, there's two questions you should ask every Democrat in the House and Senate. Why didn't you bring this up during the four years of the Biden administration when the Biden DOJ had all these records the entire time? Nobody ever said a word about it.
13:00They didn't care. Now it's the biggest thing in the world. Didn't matter at all when Joe Biden had the files. And secondly, if they're for transparency and they really want all this to be out and there's such this urgency, then why did they vote down the unanimous consent to pass the discharge petition tonight? I can't answer that question, but they should. And every one of you should ask them about it. Yes.
13:19Ben Meiselas:And hey, Meg and Mike, what about the provision in the continuing resolution that was snuck in where these Republican senators have now said that they have a claim? They've drafted a law claiming that they've suffered because their phone number showed up in a subpoena by special counsel Jack Smith. They weren't eavesdropped on. No one wiretapped him. No one heard what they were saying. Their phone numbers showed up because they were speaking with Trump around the January 6th insurrection. And they built into this continuing resolution is that at a minimum, they can be damaged$500 ,000 that the government, that taxpayers have to pay the Republican senators because they claim they've suffered emotional damage and injury because their names appeared on subpoena because of their connection to the January 6th insurrection.
14:12Ben Meiselas:and this was in the legislation. So they're all going to make like a million bucks off of us. We're funding, we're paying them a million dollars based on a phony claim. So Maga Mike, what do you say about that Maga Mike? And Maga Mike's like, well, I didn't get any commitment from the Republican leader of the Senate, Senator Thune, but like, I was upset that he did it. Aw, shucks. I'm Maga Mike. Aw, shucks. Here, play this clip. You said earlier that you would repeal that FBI provision that's in the bill right now. Do you have assurances from Leader Thune that he will bring it up in the Senate?
14:48Well, I did call Leader Thune this morning. I want to say that he is a he's a principal leader. I've enjoyed working with him. We've got a great working relationship and a good friendship. He's a trustworthy, honest broker. And that's why I was so surprised when we found out about that provision. It was put in our clean CR at the last moment. I'm just to be honest. I'm very transparent with you all. I was very angry about it. I was. And a lot of my members called me and said, did you know about it? We had no idea. That was dropped in at the last minute. And I did not appreciate that, nor did most of the House members.
15:17Many of them are very angry about that. So we will be bringing that up. We'll probably pass it on suspension early next week, and we'll send it over to the Senate. I had a conversation with Leader Thune early this morning about it. I think he regretted the way it was done, and we had an honest conversation about that. I didn't ask him for any commitment at that time because I had a lot on my plate today and I've been busy ever since that conversation we had earlier this morning. But I'm going to speak as truthfully to him as I am to all of you and tell you that I think that was way out of line.
15:45I don't think that was a smart thing to do. I don't think it was the right thing to do. And the House is going to reverse it. We're going to repeal that. And I'm going to expect our colleagues in the Senate to do the same thing.
15:53Ben Meiselas:Lindsey Graham, who's going to be making a million dollars off of us, like literally paid himself. He's going to pay himself a million dollars of our taxpayer dollar. Here's what he has to say about the lawsuits that he's now going to filing because he created a law for himself. Here, play this clip. You should be filing a lawsuit. Oh, definitely. And if you think I'm going to sell this thing for a million dollars, no. I want to make it so painful no one ever does this again. Here was Maga Mike just kind of running through the halls of the Capitol when he was asked about the concerns. Do you have any concerns about Donald Trump's name being like, I don't know, like all over these emails and like not flattering ways, like in disgusting and grotesque ways.
16:35Ben Meiselas:And Mag and Mike's like, nah, I just think it's a massive distraction. Here, play this clip.
16:43I don't, I think it's all been explained. I think this is a massive distraction by the Democrats while we're trying to get the government reopened and covered for their mistakes. Why not to say it? And I, I find it interesting that the press corps didn't ask all these questions for four years here at the Biden administration. But the president wasn't wanting all these documents out. Why not release all these documents now? He's for maximum transparency. He said it as recently as a couple of days ago, and I talked to him about it today. He's for everything coming out. Is this provision that you just said that you're going to have a suspension vote to repeal next week?
17:13Did you know that that provision was - No, I found out about it last night. I was surprised.
17:18Ben Meiselas:I was shocked by it, and I was angry about it, to be honest. Now contrast MAGA Mike right there to Democratic leaders, like the Democratic ranking member on the Rules Committee, Congress Member McGovern, play this clip. What the hell is wrong with them? While regular people are struggling to pay bills, Donald Trump's net worth has gone up by$3 billion since he became president. People's health insurance premiums are doubling and tripling, but Republicans say there is no affordability crisis, even as their tariffs are costing people an extra 1200 bucks per year regular people can't afford the rent and republicans are letting trump gild his bathroom and build a ballroom to host the rich and powerful elites who own the gop these guys are bailing out argentina argentina they're giving 40 billion dollars to an entirely different country rather than helping the 42 million americans who can't afford to put food on the table.
18:21And here's the clincher, Mr. Speaker. Buried in this CR is a corrupt kickback for eight Republican senators. A million-dollar payday funded by taxpayers, taken straight from the Treasury, and deposited directly into their pockets. What the hell is wrong with this place? They promised to put America first. The only thing you guys put first is yourselves. yourselves and the rich and powerful people who pull your strings behind the scenes.
18:52Ben Meiselas:Or Congresswoman AOC play this clip. It is unconscionable that what we are debating right now is legislation that will give eight members of the United States Senate over a million dollars apiece. And we are robbing people of their food assistance and of their health care to pay for it. How is this even on the floor? How can we as members of Congress, Republican or Democrat, vote to enrich ourselves by stealing from the American people? That is what this legislation does. In fact, Senator Graham just went before the press earlier today saying he was going to seek well over a million dollars from the American people from this.
19:41We cannot support it and we cannot stand for it. Thank you.
19:45Ben Meiselas:And now, Megha, Mike has to deal with GOP defections like Don Bacon, Republican from Nebraska. Here, Don Bacon says he's gonna vote yes once this discharge petition ripens. And we think that there's gonna be 50 to 60 other Republicans who will vote this way to release the files. Play this clip. Congressman Bacon, thank you so much. And just to be clear, I wanna make sure I heard you correctly. you will be voting yes on releasing the Epstein files if it makes it to the floor. And you believe it will. If it goes on the floor, I get a lot of pushback. Why don't you put your name in the discharges petition?
20:17And I'm just going to be subtle in my response. Just look at all the few Republicans that are on it and who they are. I just, it's going to come on the floor. I will vote yes.
20:26Ben Meiselas:And here's Representative Bacon again, saying that what MAGA Mike, was what Trump did and what MAGA Mike's doing, this cover up of the Epstein files is a massive PR nightmare. Here, play this clip. There are a lot of folks out there, a lot of folks, and there are people who voted for Donald Trump who want to see everything, who just aren't. If there is nothing there and there is nothing bad, as as, you know, people have claimed, they just want to see it all. I wonder, though, given the emails that you saw today, do you and the birthday book and the images of Donald Trump with Epstein, do you have any discomfort about his relationship with him or what he may have known?
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21:04Well, I think he even himself admits that he had a relationship with Epstein and then realized he was a bad character and evicted him out of Mar-a-Lago. What else there is, I'm not sure. I am for transparency. I do think this was a disaster for the White House. When you tell everybody you're going to release everything, that you have the names of all the clients, and then you come back and say, oh, there was none. this was a self-inflicted wound by the White House and how they handled this. And I think they've dug those cells a hole. But in the end, I'm for transparency. Everything should be out other than the victims' names for that.
21:46We're getting results already without the discharge petition is what I would like to really convey here. Yeah. I mean, listen, the subpoena to the estate is what got these emails today.
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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Republican Speaker MAGA Mike Johnson becoming more terrified than ever in public as his own party appears to be defecting against Trump and him and will be voting to release the Epstein files once the discharge petition ripens.
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