MAGA Mike Suffers Major Panic in Public as Shutdown Kills GOP

6 Oct 2025 · 24 min · 14 chapters

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In short

The episode argues that House Speaker Mike Johnson and Trump are panicking and refusing negotiations during a government shutdown, blaming Republicans for public harm—especially around Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) subsidies and other health programs.

Guest backgrounds

No guests are identified in the transcript; it appears to be hosted by Ben Mycelis (Midas Touch Network).

Key claims

Polling shows most Americans blame Trump and Johnson; Johnson sent lawmakers home to avoid talks with Democrats; Republicans won’t commit to extending ACA tax credits; Johnson and Trump misrepresent ACA/Medicaid rules and “illegal aliens” eligibility; shutdown delays payments for TSA, Border Patrol, veterans, Medicare home health, FEMA, and WIC.

Notable examples

CBS poll (36% healthcare vs 5% immigration); Johnson “turn the lights back on” remarks; discussion of ACA credits expiring end of year; references to Project 2025 figures Russ Vought and “inflict trauma”; claims about ACA changes on “page 57” and emergency-room treatment.

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MAGA Mike's On-Air Panic

0:30 to 0:58

MAGA Mike Johnson's panic during a live TV appearance.

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MAGA Mike's On-Air Panic

1:43 to 2:06

MAGA Mike Johnson's panic during a live TV appearance.

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Public Perception of the Shutdown

2:06 to 2:29

Public attitudes toward the government shutdown and blame.

“They thought that Americans were going to buy the crap that they were selling when they go and blame the immigrants and transgender people for the government shutdown.”

MAGA Mike's Live Interview Responses

2:29 to 3:05

Analysis of MAGA Mike Johnson's responses to tough questions.

“They control all levels of government, all branches of government, and they've gone on another vacation all week.”

Debate Over Government Negotiations

3:05 to 3:41

Discussion on government negotiations and the shutdown's impact.

“That's a significant data point as well.”

Affordable Care Act Debate

3:41 to 4:47

Examination of the Affordable Care Act and MAGA Mike's stance.

“House Speaker Mike Johnson joins us from Capitol Hill.”

Health Care and MAGA Policies

4:47 to 6:39

Critical look at MAGA policies on healthcare and their implications.

“And they left and they went on a vacation.”

Trust Issues with MAGA Leadership

6:39 to 8:01

Discussion on the lack of trust in MAGA leadership regarding health.

“If you believe that there's a plan better than Affordable Care Act subsidies, Medicaid and Medicare, come up with one right now, Maga Mike and Donald Trump.”

MAGA Mike's Gaslighting Tactics

8:01 to 8:26

Analysis of MAGA Mike's attempts to shift blame and gaslight.

“And Mag and Mike here proves why they're right not to trust him, because if you do, they're not going to extend the subsidies and everyone's going to lose their health care and people are going to die in the millions.”

Epstein Files and Political Maneuvering

8:26 to 12:18

Link between the government shutdown and the Epstein files controversy.

“Get troops paid, TSA agents and Border Patrol agents paid who are trying to protect us.”
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Trump's Response to Healthcare Questions

12:18 to 14:00

Examination of Trump's evasive answers on healthcare subsidies.

“Arizona's 7th Congressional District because she would be the 218th signature on the discharge petition to force a vote to release the Epstein files.”

Trump's Misleading Claims on Healthcare

14:00 to 17:01

Learn about Donald Trump's statements on the Affordable Care Act and healthcare costs.

“So as Maga Mike saying all of this, a reporter then asked Donald Trump, so are you open to extending the Affordable Care Act subsidies?”

MAGA Mike's Contentious Claims

17:01 to 19:09

Explore MAGA Mike Johnson's assertions about healthcare for illegal aliens and their implications.

“We want to talk about the affordability of everything right now.”

Debating Healthcare Access for Undocumented Migrants

19:09 to 21:39

Discuss the realities of healthcare access for undocumented migrants in emergency situations.

“Is it true that if an undocumented migrant is dying, that they get treated in an emergency room.”
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2:02Ben Meiselas:MAGA Mike Johnson is panicking on live TV. This is not going how MAGA Mike and Donald Trump planned. They thought that Americans were going to buy the crap that they were selling when they go and blame the immigrants and transgender people for the government shutdown. Nope. All of the major polls show that overwhelmingly Americans are blaming Donald Trump and MAGA Mike Johnson and the Republicans for the Trump shutdown. They control all levels of government, all branches of government, and they've gone on another vacation all week. And Donald Trump and MAGA Mike have specifically said they are not even talking to Democrats, yet alone negotiating with Democrats.

2:44Ben Meiselas:And take a look at this data point right here. In a new CBS poll, 36 % of people say they have heard the shutdown is about healthcare, what Democrats are focused on. Only 5 % say that they believe this is actually about immigration, which is what Republicans have been spreading lies about. That's a significant data point as well. So Maga Mike was on, did a number of appearances in the morning, did some live TV hits. And so in this hit right here, he looks around and he's like, it's pretty empty here in the Capitol. It's kind of quiet around here. It's been for the last several days to which the host to her credit checks him and says, well, didn't you send the lawmakers home for a vacation?

3:31Ben Meiselas:What she didn't say is you sent them home for paid vacation because you don't want them even there to have any discussions with Democrats. But here, play this clip. House Speaker Mike Johnson joins us from Capitol Hill. Good morning to you, Speaker. Anyone up there to negotiate with? There's not, Margaret. Good morning. Good to hear your voice. It's kind of quiet around here. It has been for the last several days, and it's very unfortunate because as we're talking, real people are being adversely affected around the country in some and in very substantial ways. I pray that more Democrats in the Senate will come to their senses and do the right thing.

4:07And when they have the next opportunity on Monday to vote to open the government, I surely hope that they will. Well, you did send your lawmakers home to their districts, which suggests we've got probably another week ahead of us of this shutdown.

4:21Ben Meiselas:I just want all of you to think about this. To their credit, the Democratic leaders said, let's have discussions in front of the public because we need to save Americans Affordable Care Act subsidies. You've already destroyed people's Medicaid. You've cut into people's Medicare subsidies for the Affordable Care Act is set to expire. We need to deal with this now. And then MAGA Mike and Donald Trump are like, we don't want to talk to you. They even said, go F yourselves. And they left and they went on a vacation. So I thought this was a good question on Meet the Press to MAGA Mike Johnson. And so Kristen Welker said so.

4:57Ben Meiselas:But what about the people, even like Republicans, independents, not just Democrats, the people who depend on these Affordable Care Act subsidies in order to get their health care? What are you going to do? Are you going to tell them that you won't let it expire? Watch what MAGA Mike says. Here, play this clip. Well, let me ask you about what's at the crux of this. Democrats are demanding the funding bill include an extension of the Obamacare tax credits as we've been talking about. They're set to expire at the end of the year. More than three quarters of the people who get health insurance through Obamacare actually live in states that President Trump won in 2024.

5:33We're talking about some 19 million people, Mr. Speaker. Can those people depend on congressional Republicans to extend those health insurance tax credits by the time they expire? We have plenty of time to figure that out because, again, it doesn't expire until the end of the year. Do you commit to that? I commit to what Republicans have always done and what we've already proven this year in the one big beautiful bill, the working families tax cuts. Republicans are the ones in Congress working to improve health care access quality and make it cheaper. We want to bring the cost down of health care.

6:05Premiums are too high, but it's not because of Republican policies. It's because Obamacare is not working. We're trying to fix it. We've just shown in the one big beautiful bill, the working families tax cut, those reforms we made to Medicaid are not cuts to Medicaid. Medicaid will continue to grow. It's just growing at a slower pace. Why? Because we got illegal aliens and able-bodied young men without dependents off of Medicaid. They were never planned to be there in the first place. And what the Democrats are demanding right now to keep the government open is we put them all back on there. We're not doing that.

6:35Ben Meiselas:And again, doesn't that give away the whole game here? We're going to do what Republicans have always done. Well, you haven't come up with a plan. If you believe that there's a plan better than Affordable Care Act subsidies, Medicaid and Medicare, come up with one right now, Maga Mike and Donald Trump. I believe there's one. OK, the one that I believe is called universal health care, that the government should get every American health care as a human right for free. That's what I believe is better than the Affordable Care Act. But the Affordable Care Act is the best we've got. There was a time when there were 20, 30 million Americans uninsured.

7:10Ben Meiselas:These subsidies have kept the prices down for most Americans to a level that's still pricey, but at least somewhat affordable. And if these subsidies expire, people go bankrupt. They lose their health care. They die. So let's have adult grown-up conversations here, please. Now, Maga Mike over here is asked in another interview in the morning, do I hear you correctly that you as the Speaker of the House want to see the tax credit extended at a future date. So is your point, MAGA Mike, because this could be a point of negotiation, right? So do you believe let's open up the government and then there should be a vote and we can all agree to extend the subsidies and make sure everybody gets healthcare?

7:53Ben Meiselas:Do you agree with that? And MAGA, obviously you can't trust MAGA and Donald Trump and the Democrats are right not to trust them. And Mag and Mike here proves why they're right not to trust him, because if you do, they're not going to extend the subsidies and everyone's going to lose their health care and people are going to die in the millions. Here, play this clip. There's a there's five hundred and thirty five members of Congress in the House and Senate. There's a there's probably four hundred different ideas on how to fix that. So we need a little time to do it. We're not saying that we won't negotiate it.

8:23We're saying turn the lights back on in Congress. Get troops paid, TSA agents and Border Patrol agents paid who are trying to protect us. restore the health care programs that are being stalled for veterans and Medicare recipients who are getting home health. It's all stalled now. Restore FEMA flood insurance programs in the middle of our hurricane program and WIC programs for young women. We've got to get this fixed now. But just to clarify what you were just saying, do I hear you correctly that you, as Speaker of the House, want to see the tax credit extended at a future date? Is that what you're saying no i i haven't staked out any position on it yet because that's not how this process works we're in a deliberative body right i'm asking a lot of position because you said i'm telling you my position i'm the speaker of the house what i have to do is draw consensus among 435 members of my body i don't get out and and project what the final conclusion is going to be and i've told chuck schumer and hakeem jeffries most recently in the oval office with the president just five, six days ago.

9:24Keep the government open so that we can do that job. We were always planning to do that.

9:28Ben Meiselas:So then Maga Mike continues his gaslighting tour and he says, well, we all know that the author of Project 2025, who's now the one responsible for making all of these cuts with Donald Trump, Russ Vogt, who runs the Office of Management and Budget, he doesn't take any joy in firing people. He doesn't take joy in destroying the government. Didn't MAGA Republican Senator Mike Lee said that Russ Vogt has been waiting for this since puberty? Didn't Russ Vogt say he can't wait to get that position? If Donald Trump were to win when he was just Mr. Project 2025 guy, he said, because he would love to inflict trauma on government employees.

10:10Ben Meiselas:He goes, We need to give them trauma. Direct quote, look it up, Russ vote. We need to inflict trauma on Americans. They deserve to feel pain. A direct quote from these sickos. Here, play this clip of MAGA Mike Johnson. Let's play it. And vote to keep the government open. But it's never happened before. We see furloughs. We don't see furloughs. We don't see layoffs, though. In a situation like this, where the Senate Democrats have decided to turn the keys to the kingdom over to the White House, they have to make tough decisions. Russ vote runs the Office of Management and Budget. He has to now look at all of the federal government, recognizing that the funding streams have been turned off and determine what are essential programs, policies and personnel.

10:49That's that's not a job that he relishes.

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12:34Ben Meiselas:And then Megan Mike's like, oh, that's totally absurd. Okay, well, when are you going to swear her in? Here, play this clip. There is, Speaker, still critical work, though. And as you know, many Democrats have looked at your move. They say the House is not in session because you don't want to swear in this newly elected senator, the Congresswoman, Democratic congresswoman from Arizona who would be a critical vote to releasing the Epstein files. How do you respond? It's totally absurd. This has nothing to do with that. It's another red herring. The reason the government is closed is because Chuck Schumer and 43 of his Democrat colleagues in the Senate have decided now to vote multiple times to keep the government closed.

13:12Ben Meiselas:When are you going to swear in? I don't get why Kristen Welker, who has like a week to prepare these questions, didn't then ask, OK, so why don't you swear in tomorrow? When are you going to will you commit right now to swear her in the way you've sworn in every Republican immediately in close elections? She won by over 40 points in that special election in Arizona, seventh congressional district. This is how terrified they are of the release of the Epstein files. And I think it's one of the major reasons why the shutdown is taking place. The Trump, Jeffrey Epstein shutdown in full force and effect.

13:49Ben Meiselas:Just look at Mag and Mike over the weekend. He was caught at a swanky DC restaurant enjoying some fancy food. Must be nice, Maga Mike. And then a reporter asked Donald Trump. So as Maga Mike saying all of this, a reporter then asked Donald Trump, so are you open to extending the Affordable Care Act subsidies? Are you going to do it? Watch what Trump then says. Here, play this clip. President, are you open to extending the Affordable Care Act subsidies? we want to fix it so it works it's not working obamacare has been a disaster for the people so we want to have it fixed so it works you heard we said we want to fix it so it works it's not working obamacare has been a disaster for people no it hasn't it has not by the way is health care still expensive yes is health care still too expensive yes does it need to be reduced yes But you're not going to reduce it, Donald, by doing what you're doing, saying, OK, prices are now down 1600 percent.

14:48Ben Meiselas:That's not even a percentage of things can decrease to. You're just making things up. All right. I hereby declare all pharmaceutical drugs are most favored nation prices, meaning Americans get the drugs, the lowest price that that pharmaceutical company pays charges in another country. That hasn't happened. You're just lying. You're making things up. Things can't decrease 1 ,700%. Pharmaceuticals are not decreased right now to the lowest amount it is in any other country. It's just fraud by you. It's lie after lie. And as I said before earlier in this video, if you've got a better plan for the Affordable Care Act, as I think I do, universal healthcare for all, then come up with one.

15:31Ben Meiselas:In your first term, I know your plan was coming in two weeks. Now the plan's two weeks, three weeks, five weeks. You're not putting forward plans. American people are suffering. You can't just push everybody off and have them die. This is life or death stuff. And the American people know it. More from Donald Trump here. The Democrats are causing a loss of jobs. I hope everybody, then he goes, I hope you all know that. And then he goes, but I hope you like the presidential walk of fame. Do you like the presidential walk of fame? Look at all the golden portraits I have. Here, play this clip. Mr.

16:05President, when will the administration begin hiring federal employees during this government shutdown? It's taking place right now, and it's all because of the Democrats. The Democrats are causing the loss of a lot of jobs with their... It's a shutdown. It's their shutdown, not our shutdown. It's their shutdown. And I hope everybody likes what's the presidential walk of fame. You know that? Have you seen the... It's beautiful, isn't it? Presidential walk of fame. Thank you very much. Again, congratulations to the Navy.

16:34Ben Meiselas:They did a great job today. Thank you very much.

17:01Ben Meiselas:education. We want to talk about the affordability of everything right now. Things have gotten so much worse and you can't just go, oh, I reduced inflation. Things are great. No, you didn't. Things are worse. Things cost way more right now. The situation is far worse. Here you have Maga Mike Johnson. Again, here he says, the Democrats want to fund health care for illegal aliens. It's in their bill to which the host goes, I've looked at the text. It doesn't say what you're indicating. Watch what Johnson says. Here, play this clip. Because they want to do this. You know what they counter propose?

17:34They want to spend one point five trillion dollars and they want to return hardworking taxpayer dollars to fund health care for illegal aliens. It is in their bill. Go to speaker.gov and see it for yourself. Page 57, section 2141. They're using this for political games and it is shameful and real people are getting hurt. Well, that I have looked at that text it doesn't explicitly say what you are indicating um but unauthorized immigrants are eligible for aca yes it does it's it says very simply they want to repeal the changes that we made in the in the working families tax cut the one big beautiful bill and what those changes were is it removed health care going to illegal aliens it removed all the fraud waste and abuse and the congressional budget office cbo said it achieved the desired result they project it'll save almost$200 billion.

18:21Chuck Schumer's proposal on page 57 wants to return that$200 billion of taxpayer funds to pay for illegal aliens and other non-citizens. That is a fact. And you can check it out on my website, speaker.gov. Don't trust me. Look at Chuck Schumer's own paperwork. Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, thank you for your time this morning. We'll be right back.

18:40Ben Meiselas:And again, he keeps citing this provision. Look at this page. Look at this subsection. Like he thinks it sounds smart. Subsection, page number. I've looked at the subsection. I've looked at the page number that you're talking about. It doesn't say anything about that. The people who are entitled to get healthcare are here legally. They're here lawfully. It is unlawful. It is illegal for undocumented migrants to be on Medicaid, Medicare, or an Affordable Care Act plan or get a subsidy. Is it true that if an undocumented migrant is dying, that they get treated in an emergency room. Yes, because doctors don't ask for your immigration papers in an emergency room because that could also back, first off, hopefully because they're human beings, that's the Hippocratic Oath, and that's the right thing to do.

19:31Ben Meiselas:Let's start with that. But even if you took a selfish perspective, they're going to ask you for your papers, and while you're shuffling, you're walking around with your papers, you can die versus getting treated in an emergency room. And also the money is going to reimburse doctors and hospitals. It's not getting paid to the migrant. It's being paid to doctors who are doing their job in a hospital. Like let's talk about the reality of the situation here. But no, MAGA wants to talk about what commemorative coins with Donald Trump's face on it. Look at the coins, everybody. $1 coins featuring Donald Trump will make it happen.

20:07Ben Meiselas:We don't want that. What are you talking about? This is Donald Trump's top economic advisor, Kevin Hassett, talking about commemorative Trump coins. Play this clip. Before you go, I'm really curious what you think about this Treasury Department development of a $1 commemorative coin for the U.S.'s 250th birthday. U.S. Treasurer Brandon Beach shared draft images of the coin, and it bears the image of the current president, President Trump. This despite the fact that an 1866 law enshrined in U.S. code says a living person cannot be featured in U.S. currency. This is obviously dates back to concerns about wanting to avoid the appearance of a monarchy.

20:48Is President Trump planning on changing that law? Right. The fact is that we've got great plans for the 250th anniversary. In fact, you should watch the festivities today where President Trump is celebrating the Navy. And in terms of reading through what is and isn't available under that law, there have been times in the past where commemorative coins have been printed with the faces of living people. And so I think that they're on solid ground if they decide to do that.

21:17Ben Meiselas:So I hope you see what's going on here. You see Maga Mike panicking, liar, weird. And the Democrats have said, let's go anytime, anyplace. Let's do this in public. Let's have a real conversation in front of the American people. And MAGA says, let's go on vacation. I'm Ben Mycelis. This is the Midas Touch Network. Hit subscribe. Let's get to 6 million subscribers. Thanks for watching.

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