MAGA Podcasters Abandon Trump and Attack Each Other

6 Jan 2026 · 25 min · 14 chapters

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In short

The episode argues that prominent MAGA podcasters/influencers are publicly breaking with Donald Trump and turning on each other, while also spreading internal conspiracies and personal attacks.

Guests (mentioned and/or quoted)

Andy Frisella (MAGA podcaster); Candace Owens (former MAGA podcaster); Tim Dillon (comedian/podcaster); Christian Cooper (MAGA influencer); Clav (MAGA streamer); Andrew Schultz (comedian/podcaster); Steve Bannon (commentator); Alex Jones (mentioned); Megyn Kelly (host/commentator); Joe Rogan (podcaster).

Key claims

Trump has “lost touch” and is a “chronic disappointment” (Frisella, Owens); Trump is in a “lame duck” phase (Dillon); Christian Cooper says staying MAGA is “wrong” and cites Epstein list non-release, foreign wars, PFAS, debt/BNPL, and AI surveillance; MAGA circles are attacking Ben Shapiro and Daily Wire; Megyn Kelly tells MAGA influencers “go fuck yourselves”; Rogan mocks Trump’s White House plaques and says Trump didn’t provide satisfactory evidence of election theft.

Notable examples

Frisella offers to meet Trump for a Big Mac discussion; Owens says she’s “embarrassed” for voting for Trump; Dillon predicts Trump administration’s end; Cooper unfollows MAGA accounts; Clav claims he’s voting Gavin Newsom over J.D. Vance using appearance-based “mogs” language; Bannon calls Shapiro “a cancer” and Jones/others allege Israeli intelligence ties; Rogan criticizes Trump plaques and Epstein-file coverage.

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Chapters

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MAGA Podcasters' Betrayal of Trump

0:23 to 0:53

Discover how MAGA podcasters are turning against Trump and each other.

“As MAGA crashes and burns, MAGA podcasters are publicly turning against Donald Trump and his despicable regime.”

Andy Frisella's Critique of Trump

0:53 to 1:08

Listen to Andy Frisella's harsh words about Trump's disconnect from his base.

“Now, MAGA podcaster Andy Frisella, one of the biggest MAGA podcasters out there, a guy who was MAGA through and through.”

Candace Owens' Disappointment in Trump

1:08 to 2:31

Hear Candace Owens express her regrets about supporting Trump.

“I'm going to say this right now, and I mean this.”

Tim Dillon Declares Trump is Done

2:31 to 3:19

Tim Dillon shares his views on the end of the Trump era.

“Are you done with Donald Trump or could you see a way that you would end up perhaps voting for him?”

Christian Cooper's MAGA Influencer Unfollow Spree

3:19 to 5:11

Christian Cooper explains why she is unfollowing MAGA influencers.

“Watch what MAGA or former MAGA podcaster Tim Dillon has to say.”

Critique of Trump's Policies and Actions

5:11 to 7:48

Analysis of various policies and actions under Trump's administration.

“I just went on a MAGA influencer unfollow spree.”

MAGA Influencers Turn Against Ben Shapiro

7:48 to 9:16

MAGA influencers voice their criticisms of Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire.

“They're just saying what a lot of us are thinking.”

Megyn Kelly's Bold Statement

9:16 to 13:19

Megyn Kelly responds to MAGA influencers with a fiery message.

“Here's what he had to say about Shapiro.”

Joe Rogan on Trump's Actions

13:19 to 14:01

Joe Rogan discusses Trump's recent controversial decisions.

“Then you have Megyn Kelly crashing out as she tells the MAGA influencers to go F themselves.”

Understanding Online Dynamics

14:01 to 14:31

Explore the disconnect between online perceptions and real human interactions.

“I'm not sure your Twitter shame game has gotten anything of value done.”
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Joe Rogan on Trump's White House Plaques

14:31 to 15:37

Discussion about Joe Rogan's commentary on Trump's unusual actions in the White House.

“Then you have Joe Rogan saying the following about Donald Trump's putting up these like ridiculous plaques on the White House.”

Mocking Trump's Epstein Files Cover-Up

15:39 to 17:23

Analyzing Rogan's skepticism on Trump's handling of the Epstein files and political implications.

“This is widely considered the worst president of all.”

MAGA's Internal Struggles

17:23 to 19:19

Examining how MAGA figures are turning against each other in the political landscape.

“I'll just play a small portion of it because I want to give you insight into what's happening in the MAGA podcast world.”

Joe Rogan on Election Integrity Claims

19:19 to 21:01

A look at Joe Rogan's thoughts on Trump's evidence regarding the 2020 election fraud claims.

“Look at these beautiful genes on display.”
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0:00From unsolved mysteries to unexplained phenomena, from comedy goal to relationship fails, Amazon Music's got the most ad-free top podcasts, included with Prime. Because the only thing that should interrupt your listening is, well, nothing. Download the Amazon Music app today.

0:23Ben Meiselas:As MAGA crashes and burns, MAGA podcasters are publicly turning against Donald Trump and his despicable regime. You also have MAGA podcasters attacking each other. Let me bring you the receipts. A reminder, make sure you subscribe to the Midas Touch YouTube channel. We're on our way to 6 million subscribers. You may think you're subscribed, but you may not be actually subscribed. Double check, hit subscribe and turn on notifications. Now, MAGA podcaster Andy Frisella, one of the biggest MAGA podcasters out there, a guy who was MAGA through and through. Here's what he just said about Donald Trump and Trump's regime.

1:08Ben Meiselas:Play this clip. I'm going to say this right now, and I mean this. OK, Donald Trump, you've lost touch with your fucking base. you've lost touch with reality of what people actually want to see and the people around you are either not telling you the truth or you're fucking in on it and if you're not in on it i would appreciate for you and i to have a discussion so i could inform you about what these people really want okay so this can go on twitter and you know you could have your people call me and i will get my fucking happy ass on an airplane and i'll sit down and enjoy a motherfucking Big Mac with you and we will fucking get real clear about what people actually want because the motherfuckers around you are either full of shit or you're in on it yeah and that's where people believe right now okay and and here's the thing a lot of people believe yes and here's the thing okay I said on last show you're gonna go down as the president who had the opportunity to fix this country and chose not to and you might say oh well that doesn't really fucking matter Well, you know what?

2:09It's going to matter because your kids are never going to your kids are going to get blackballed in America. OK, your legacy is going to be ruined. The Trump name will be a fucking joke.

2:19Ben Meiselas:And I know you care about those things. And you should. Former MAGA podcaster Candace Owens just went on Pierre's Morgan. And here's what she had to say about Donald Trump. Let's play this clip. Are you done with Donald Trump or could you see a way that you would end up perhaps voting for him? He can't run again, obviously, but would you support him publicly again? I want to be clear. I don't regret voting for Donald Trump above Kamala. I think he was the better candidate, certainly a better candidate above Joe Biden. But what I will say is that he's been a chronic disappointment. And I feel embarrassed that I told people to go vote for him because this wasn't going to happen and it is happening.

2:58But I just think that the picture of politics in America is going to look very differently because of his actions. So I don't know where we go from here. I really don't. But I this is not the candidate that I voted for.

3:11Ben Meiselas:Then you had the former MAGA podcaster, Tim Dillon, who says the Trump regime is over. Trump is a lame duck. Bye bye, Donald. Watch what MAGA or former MAGA podcaster Tim Dillon has to say. Here, play this clip right here. Let's look at Trump here. And I do think, unfortunately, This this kind of is the end of I say, unfortunately, not because I care truly, but I say unfortunately, because it seems to not be doing anything good for anyone. This this is the end of the Trump administration. This is the beginning of the lame duck presidency. It's obvious to everyone, even as most ardent ardent supporters show up to the White House like Laura Ingram, which is kind of shocked on what the hell is going on.

4:01now we'll start you know three years of talking about the ballroom um he will trail off he will get older he's going to he's adorned the white house in gold um epstein's going to suck the oxygen out of a lot of this we're going to talk about that a little later on apparently ai by the way the only thing i'm sure of about ai i'm not an expert is that ai as soon as we have robots running around this country they'll all be pedophiles too there's no one in power that will apparently just not be a pedophile. All these robots will be pedophiles. 100 % will deal with pedophile robots. Our first robot president will be a pedophile.

4:38I know that. I know that. It's the only thing I know. Our first AI robot president will absolutely be a pedophile.

4:45Ben Meiselas:You've got MAGA influencer and MAGA podcaster Christian Cooper, who voted for Donald Trump, explains why she is on a MAGA influencer unfollowing spree. And she's basically saying, if you're still MAGA right now, and she said, I'm someone who voted for Trump, she says, she goes, if you're still on this MAGA bandwagon, there's something wrong with you. Watch what she has to say. Play this clip. I just went on a MAGA influencer unfollow spree. And let me tell you why. the mental gymnastics required to stand by your man under these conditions truly in my opinion is Olympic level and I have followed some of these people for years admired their ability to speak out when the opinion was unpopular but now I'm starting to think okay they were countering the system but not countering the system which is the reason why many of us voted for this administration in the first place.

5:43Here's some of my problems with this administration. The Epstein list, okay? Referring to the Epstein list as the Epstein hoax after running your entire campaign on that is a slap in the face to all of us. Do you think we are stupid? You cannot gaslight me enough into forgetting that this admin said they were going to release the Epstein list. Pam Bondi said it was on her desk, okay? We are still sending billions of dollars overseas to fund foreign wars denying America's interest, right? We've got some problems here in the mainland. Approving PFA pesticides to be sprayed all over our fruit and vegetables.

6:21It's not limited to your fruit and vegetables. This is going into our soil. It's going to leak into our water supply. We are going to be drinking it. Forever chemicals are linked to hormone disruption, disruption, thyroid dysfunction, cancer. It's an atrocity. When we're talking about making America healthy again. PFA pesticides is crazy. Debt normalization, 50-year mortgages, essentially saying your kids will never own anything ever. They will never own that little plot of land, the American dream. They're never going to own their own home. The fact that 90 % of Black Friday purchases were made using a buy now pay later like Klarna, that's also crazy.

7:02Surveillance expansion through Palantir. Think China during COVID. Yeah, that sounds extreme, doesn't it? That is how rapidly this administration is advancing AI. They're advancing it so quickly, they had to put out a statement to state government saying, if you try to put regulations around AI, we're coming for you too. That is how much this federal government wants to advance AI and data centralization. So freaking scary. And then you can't ask anything about any of this if you start asking questions. You were never really MAGA. You're not based, right? All this infighting is caused by Candace and Tucker.

7:44Y 'all please be so serious. Don't insult our intelligence like that, right? We might like Candace and Tucker, but they're not changing our opinions. They're just saying what a lot of us are thinking.

7:55Ben Meiselas:Now, amongst that like MAGA, alpha, bro community, you have these people named like Clav and others, and they're just saying, we'll vote Gavin Newsom over JD Vance. And they have like their own bizarre language, like Gavin Muggs, JD Vance, and like Gavin is a chat, is a giga chat, and JD Vance is like a beta. I don't know what these people are even saying, but here's a very popular streamer in this MAGA alpha circle named Clav, and here's what he has to say about why he's voting for Gavin Newsom over J.D. Vance. Here, play this clip. Yeah, but I mean, like this next election cycle, who's going to win?

8:44It's going to be Gavin Newsom against J.D. Vance because J.D. Vance is subhuman and Gavin Newsom uggs. J.D. Vance is subhuman? Yeah. What makes you say that? He's got a very short total facial width to height ratio. He's obese, very recessed side profile, whereas Newsom is like 6 '3 Chad. So JD is very tall. JD has got to be 6 '2, 6 '3. Gavin Newsom obviously mogs him to death.

9:13Ben Meiselas:Then you have all of these MAGA influencers turning against Ben Shapiro. Like here you have Andrew Schultz. Here's what he had to say about Shapiro. Play this clip. Wait a minute. It's crazy. So is the Daily Wire an American media platform or is it an Israeli media platform? Shit. I'm just asking. This guy's cooking. I'm just saying, get that, get that, get that. No, if the rule is, I'm just saying, if the rule is you cannot be critical, because he has no problem being very critical of America. But you can't criticize Israel as a country. That's just another country. Unless you're saying and you're clearly admitting that the Daily Wire is an arm of the Israeli propaganda machine.

9:54Is that? Are you manipulating the religious right in America? Are you manipulating the right wing conservatives in America and selling them country Western movies and putting on your little cowboy hat and a fake movie in Nashville so you could take all their money and then in the process restricting free speech? One of the core tenants of the American identity. Ben, Ben, Ben. Benjamin, Ben. What is happening?

10:18Ben Meiselas:Here's what Steve Bannon had to say about Ben Shapiro. Play this clip. Shapiro is like a cancer and that cancer spreads.

10:31it's a cancer and it metastasizes he tried to take over breitbart and i ran him out of there he tried to take over david horowitz's who was his mentor don't ask me ask the guys associated with david horowitz what he did there he tried to take that over and mark my word he will make a move on turning point because he's always been envious of charlie kirk

10:59Ben Meiselas:here is what um uh what this is what let's take a listen to over there's alex jones here's what he has to say about ben shapiro play this clip in fact it needs to be put to ben shapiro who is definitely in the pocket of netanyahu i think he is a intelligence asset my opinion how he operates levin

11:23And I believe they are officially Israeli spies. And I don't hate Israel in and of itself existing. I do hate people that act like they're Americans and act like they're loyal when everything they do flies in the face of them. And I believe from action and behavior that Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro are actual intelligence operatives, card carrying with Israeli intelligence agencies.

11:53Ben Meiselas:I know the cut of their. Now, here's what Ben Shapiro says about them. Here, play this. He calls them extremists. Here, play this clip. He knew that Nick Fuentes is an evil troll and that building him up is an act of moral imbecility. And that is precisely what Tucker Carlson did. He built Nick Fuentes up and he ought to take responsibility for that, just as he ought to take responsibility for glazing pornographer and alleged sex trafficker Andrew Tate or for mainstreaming fake historian and pseudo Nazi apologist Daryl Cooper as America's best and most honest popular historian. Hosts are indeed responsible for the guests they choose and the questions they ask those guests.

12:40Fourth, because we have a duty to truth, we also have a duty to provide you with evidence of the claims that we make. Emotive accusations, conspiracy theories, and just asking questions, that's lazy and stupid and misleading. None of them are a substitute for truth. None of them are a substitute for evidence. So when Candace Owens says, I don't know, no, but I know that is retarded and we are all more retarded for having heard it.

13:11Ben Meiselas:By the way, Ben Shapiro has been losing like 30 ,000 followers over the past 30 days. And Ben Shapiro is basically like done in the MAGA community. Then you have Megyn Kelly crashing out as she tells the MAGA influencers to go F themselves. This is Megyn Kelly telling MAGA influencers to go F themselves. Here, play this clip right here. To the hateful people whom I used to call friends who have been all over the internet trying to shame me and say that no one should ever listen to this program again because I haven't spoken out on the Erica-Candice conflict. there's no I don't have any pearls of wisdom other than go fuck yourselves go fuck yourselves you have no fucking clue what's going on you don't know what I do behind the scenes and your world is so myopically online you fail to understand there are real humans involved here and actually being able to touch grass and have relationships with them which is something I'm doing could prove to actually benefit all involved Maybe it won't.

14:22Maybe it maybe it won't at all. But it's at least got a shot. I'm not sure your Twitter shame game has gotten anything of value done.

14:31Ben Meiselas:Then you have Joe Rogan saying the following about Donald Trump's putting up these like ridiculous plaques on the White House. Here's what he says. Play this clip. did you see how i i think it was i don't these days you don't know what what's has to be confirmed not but it looked like on the kennedy center they're sorry putting the name trump on it yeah he added his name to it yeah it's crazy and he took out the kennedy rose garden you're like what take it away now it's like a cement fucking nutty there's nothing nuttier than the the plaques underneath the president that's insane insane shane and i were just reading them the other day it's insane how is this real it doesn't feel real and you're just like how are you allowed to do that that's the thing i think how is he around to write that in the white house you can just probably as president do what you want in the white house turns out you obviously can yeah because but nobody ever did it before those are gonna get taken down no they'll be up forever i don't think they're gonna leave it like that forever no fucking way yeah like a museum piece it's so crazy they should have like the trump wing this is what happened when he was president Look at this fucking lunatic.

15:38The auto pen photo of Joe Biden. And the actual what's written there. Crazy. Crazy. This is widely considered the worst president of all. Like, what are you talking about? It should be like a museum. Yeah. It should be the facts of his presidency, what happened during his term, you know, the Iraq war started and da, da, da. Yeah. It should be that. Of course. That's it. If that, you know. And under Reagan, it's like Reagan liked Trump and Trump liked him too. Trump was a fan of Reagan. What? Why is that relevant? Reagan was a fan of Trump. What? It's, yeah. Guy's fucking crazy. But you can't just let someone just fucking fully swim in it like that.

16:17I know. So he needs like a right-hand man. You go, sir. I think they just. Let me just, I understand the motive.

16:24Ben Meiselas:Then Rogan mocks Donald Trump for covering up the Epstein files. Let's play this clip right here. Let's play it. The Epstein files. I heard there's no files. I heard it's a hoax. And then all of a sudden, he's going to release the files. Well, I thought there was no files. Man. He wants an investigation now. Listen. Like, what is going on? They voted 427 to 1. Who was the one? Who's the one? I didn't see why he said, but he did. National security. No fucking way you're going to be the one. National security. If you found out all of Congress voted for something and you're the only one that didn't, can you change your vote?

17:02You can't be the one, guy. It should be. It should be that it has to be like, no one can know what the vote is before you do it. Bro, I would love to hear his reason. How are you the one? Well, you know, I was feeling like, let's move past it. Let's get on with our business. You can't move past it. These billionaires are good people. Okay. You can't move past it. They're good, solid people.

17:23Ben Meiselas:You know, and then because MAGA has, you know, really spread this, you know, this racism and this hate, and they've anointed people like Nick Fuentes, it's now backfiring on them as even someone like Fuentes is like, the reason I'm voting for Gavin Newsom is that he's got a white family and I'm not voting for J.D. Vance because J.D. Vance married an Indian woman. I mean, like this is what's going on. I don't even want to play this clip. I'll just play a small portion of it because I want to give you insight into what's happening in the MAGA podcast world. Here, play this clip right here. So this is the image of Gavin Newsom.

18:08And we'll zoom in on it so you can get a better look. This is Gavin Newsom's family. Okay. Now, this is who the Republicans want you to think is literally the devil. okay this guy is satan this guy is evil this guy is woke he is a left-wing socialist muslim he's a radical muslim socialist like barack obama but you know right off the bat we could just make some observations you know he's white he's tall he's handsome his wife is also white She's tall. She's good looking. His children, four of them, are beautiful and they're all white with blue eyes and blonde hair. And they're in California. Or maybe this is Hawaii.

19:02I don't know. But they're in a beautiful state, our beautiful land. They're beautiful blood and our beautiful land in America. If only there is some way to combine those things. They're beautiful genetics. They're genes. Weren't Republicans just talking about that? Beautiful genes. Look at these beautiful genes. Look at these beautiful genes on display. And look at our beautiful land. And look at the beautiful landscape, our beautiful soil. All for us. this beautiful virgin soil separated from the world by two oceans that we control and those beautiful genes that conquered and tamed it. It's really a sight to behold.

19:50This is our enemy, they say. Now, here's the other image. This is our fearless leader, the entity known as J.D. Vance. the entity known as J.D. Hamill since the last operating system update is now J.D. Vance. This is his family. Now let's make some observations here. And then finally you have Joe Rogan saying

20:22Ben Meiselas:that he doesn't think that Donald Trump has given any evidence that the election was stolen. Here play this clip. The problem is when you asked Trump about it, like when I had him on the podcast, I'm like, you think, you think they stole the 2020 election? Like, tell me what, what's the evidence? He didn't. Well, he, he might not have remembered. He might've just said, tell me what they did and like had somebody work on it. And then they told him and then he starts talking about it, but he didn't really go in depth about it. I don't know, but he didn't have a satisfactory answer. No, he didn't.

20:53Ben Meiselas:So that should give you some insight into what is going on in the MAGA podcast world. Let me know what you think and hit subscribe. Let's get to 6 million here.

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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on the top MAGA podcasters ditching Trump and JD Vance and doing so in very public announcements while also attacking each other in public and declaring war on each other.

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