In short
The episode centers on Marjorie Taylor Greene refusing to remove her name from a House discharge petition aimed at forcing release of Jeffrey Epstein-related files, despite alleged pressure from Donald Trump and House leadership. Greene posts that she is “not suicidal” and warns that if something happens to her, the public should look at “foreign government or powerful people” who might stop information from coming out. She claims Trump did nothing wrong regarding Epstein and says Democrats previously had power but “never lifted a finger.” Notable examples cited include Greene’s insurrection-related court defense, and claims that Trump called the files a “hoax.” Guests/backgrounds: Adelita Grijalva (Democratic congresswoman-elect; won Arizona’s 7th by 40+ points; says Speaker Mike Johnson won’t swear her in due to her becoming the 218th signature). Ro Khanna (House member; leads discharge-petition push; says swearing-in is blocked to prevent a vote). Tom Massey (mentioned as a GOP supporter). Robert Garcia and Dan Goldman (Democrats discussing newly received Epstein documents and alleged Trump involvement). Key claims include “Epstein network must be exposed,” and that new documents reportedly mention Peter Thiel, Steve Bannon, and a potential Elon Musk trip to Epstein’s island.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOMarjorie Taylor Greene's Bold Stand
0:46 to 2:09
Marjorie Taylor Greene stands up to Trump while demanding the release of Epstein files.
“Marjorie Taylor Greene's actually standing up to Donald Trump.”
Pressure from the Trump Regime
2:09 to 4:25
Discussion on the pressures faced by Greene and others regarding the Epstein petition.
“She's been posting all day stuff like this because We know, right, the Trump regime is putting pressure on Marjorie Taylor Greene, Nancy Mace, Thomas Massey.”
Health Care and Political Priorities
4:25 to 7:08
Examining health care issues amidst political disputes over Epstein files.
“Just as millions of Americans have had to do when falsely accused of a crime.”
Adelita Grijalva's Controversial Swearing-In
7:08 to 8:37
The delays in swearing in Adelita Grijalva and implications for the discharge petition.
“is also attacking the Trump regime on issues like health insurance, monthly premiums, can't afford rent, can't afford to buy a home, can't afford to pay for care.”
Adelita Grijalva's Controversial Swearing-In
9:56 to 11:10
The delays in swearing in Adelita Grijalva and implications for the discharge petition.
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Greene vs. Trump on Epstein Files
11:38 to 14:00
Analyzing Greene's statements about the Epstein files and her opposition to Trump.
“Also, Donald Trump and his regime, although she acts like this didn't come from Donald Trump when it came directly from Donald Trump.”
Epstein Files and Congressional Actions
14:00 to 14:46
Discussion on the handling of Epstein files and the implications of Congress's actions.
“and that that's one of the things that was taking place.”
Robert Garcia's Insights on New Evidence
14:46 to 16:22
Congressman Robert Garcia shares shocking new information about the Epstein files.
“They aren't swearing her hand is because of this Epstein files.”
Trump's Connection to Epstein and Republican Silence
16:22 to 18:49
Discussion on Trump's involvement in the Epstein scandal and the Republican response.
“It spanned the globe, reaching high places and powerful people.”
Oversight Investigation and Accountability
18:49 to 19:32
Critique of the oversight committee's investigation into Epstein and Trump.
“They're not asking for recordings that may exist.”
Transcript
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0:46Ben Meiselas:Marjorie Taylor Greene's actually standing up to Donald Trump. She's throwing him under the bus and she's afraid it seems that someone may try to do her harm because she's putting her name to that discharge petition to release the Epstein files. And despite the pressure coming from the White House, she says she will never remove her name from that discharge petition. And she's worried that someone's going to hurt her. Let me just read what she just posted. She goes, I am not suicidal and one of the happiest, healthiest people you will meet. I have full faith in God and Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.
1:26Ben Meiselas:As a sinner, I am only saved through his grace and mercy. With that said, if something happens to me, I ask you all to find out which foreign government or powerful people would take heinous actions to stop information from coming out, not only about this issue, referring to Epstein, but because of the truth I have been speaking. The people understand what I'm saying. I mean, is she saying that people in the Trump regime are going to be coming after her and doing her harm? So if something happens to her, she wants the world to know that she's not suicidal because she wants the Epstein files released and she's not caving to Donald Trump's pressure to remove her name from that discharge petition.
2:09Ben Meiselas:I mean, she posted that message over. She's been posting all day stuff like this because We know, right, the Trump regime is putting pressure on Marjorie Taylor Greene, Nancy Mace, Thomas Massey. He's not taking his name off of the petition. And Lauren Boebert to remove their name from the discharge petition because a Democratic congresswoman elect Adelita Gravalha. She just won the election in Arizona's seventh congressional district. She's on her way right now to Washington, D.C., and she's demanding that Megan Mike Johnson swear her in on Monday the way he swore in other people who arrived in Congress as the Congress members elect.
2:52Ben Meiselas:Just take a look at what Marjorie Taylor Greene posted as well. And by the way, Adelita Gravalha becomes the 218th signature on the discharge petition. So the Epstein-File vote would take place potentially as early as Monday if Adelita Gravalha gets sworn in, which she should. And we know now, Mag and Mike Johnson saying, I'm not going to swear you in until we get the official vote tally, even though that's never been the standard before. At the end of the day, she won her election, the special election last week, by over 40 points. There's no dispute or question that she won. She destroyed the Republican.
3:29Ben Meiselas:She outperformed former Vice President Kamala Harris's 2024 numbers by 20 plus points. That shows you, again, another Democratic overperformance. But here's what Marjorie Taylor Greene posted as well. She goes, to be clear, to set the record straight on my support for the Massey-Epstein discharge petition, I stand with the girls and women who are sexually abused and raped, period, every time, at all times. For me, it's not about a pissing contest between political parties or political enemies. The Epstein rape and pedophile network must be exposed. The woman and their attorney have said over and over that Donald Trump did nothing wrong and he was the only one that helped the woman.
4:09Ben Meiselas:This is factually true. Also, the Democrats who had the power for the past four years never did a single thing or showed they even cared about these women who were victims of Jeffrey Epstein. They could have exposed the entire thing while they had power, but never lifted a finger to do so. So if anyone is implicated, then they have the right to clear their name. Just as millions of Americans have had to do when falsely accused of a crime. I've had to do that many times and even had to defend myself against lies and pay massive attorney bills to do it. For example, I was wrongly accused of insurrection and actually had to sit on a witness stand in a Georgia court of law and defend myself and clear my name.
4:43Ben Meiselas:Release all the Epstein information by any means possible and return the focus to helping Americans and return the focus to helping Americans. I hear daily about how Americans can't afford to pay their health insurance monthly premium, can't afford rent, can't afford to buy a home, can't afford to pay for care for their aging parents, and can't afford life in general. The obsession over the Epstein files and fighting about it should not be happening and needs to end, but it's only an issue in the news because it has become a political fight and it should not be one. My name is staying on the discharge petition and I will dive into the oversight committee's investigation just as I do with every investigation.
5:27Ben Meiselas:And to be clear, once again, I stand with the woman and the woman who were raped at 14. That's her statement. I mean, look, I can easily fact check her when she tries to attack the Democrats for not releasing the Epstein files. And then because, you know, where she talks about, I hear daily about Americans who can't for it, health insurance, monthly premiums. The Democrats under former President Joe Biden were focused on doing things like that and trying to clean up Donald Trump's mess. Also, you had Ghislaine Maxwell's appeal before the Second Circuit Court of Appeals. That only ended about a year ago, I think like last September.
6:04Ben Meiselas:So you really couldn't even release the files if you wanted to while her initial appeal was pending. The Second Circuit recently rejected her appeal and now she's filed with the United States Supreme Court. But this issue about, you know, saying that we're going to release the Epstein files, this was the issue that Trump ran on. This is what he and MAGA said they were going to do over and over again. So that was your issue, right? Former President Biden's issue was we're going to revitalize manufacturing. We're going to improve NATO and we're going to add Sweden and we're going to add, we're going to add, we're going to add other countries and Sweden and Finland to NATO, foreign policy, stability.
6:46Ben Meiselas:We're going to get us out of the deranged Trump COVID policy and get us past that. And we got to fix the fact that Donald Trump caused all of this inflation by causing the United States of America to incur like$8.5 trillion of debt. Trump's responsible for like 30 % of all of the debt out there. So those were the priorities. I mean, to be clear, but here Marjorie Taylor Greene is also attacking the Trump regime on issues like health insurance, monthly premiums, can't afford rent, can't afford to buy a home, can't afford to pay for care. And what's so interesting is as we're approaching this government shutdown, which I also call the Jeffrey Epstein shutdown, because one of the reasons I believe why MAGA Mike Johnson is not allowing votes to take place on Monday and Tuesday is because he doesn't want Adelita Gravala, the congresswoman-elect from Arizona, to be sworn in, because if she's sworn in, there'll be the discharge petition.
7:37Ben Meiselas:We'll have the 218th signature and it will go to the floor for a vote. But the main issue that Democrats are fighting for in this continuing resolution is to allow Americans right now to have their Affordable Care Act tax credits continued so that it doesn't expire because Americans are going to then have to pay two to three times their current monthly premiums, which would bankrupt a lot of Americans. So that also seems to be consistent there with Marjorie Taylor Greene was actually saying. So you see her coming out there against the Trump regime and also worrying that she could be hurt. That's why she's saying I'm not suicidal after basically saying that about the Trump regime.
8:17Ben Meiselas:Now, the interview I did with Congresswoman-elect Adelita Grijalva is going ultra viral right now because she told me that Magamike didn't want to swear her in because he's covering up the Epstein files, among other reasons, because she becomes the 218th vote on that discharge petition. Democratic Congress member Ro Khanna, who is one of the people responsible for leading the charge of this discharge petition, along with MAGA Republican Congress member Tom Massey, says enough of the games to protect a rich and corrupt elite. The American people want transparency and justice for the survivors. Swear in Adelita for Arizona.
8:56Ben Meiselas:Here's what Congresswoman-elect Adelita Grijalva told me. Here, play this clip. So the latest is, I was looking at the example of now Representative Walkinshaw from Virginia, who was elected two weeks ago Tuesday, and that following Wednesday, less than 24 hours was sworn in. And with unofficial results, it literally says so in, you know, the congressman who was introducing him, like, here's unofficial results but it's not not disputed and it was approved without objection so for me this chicana from tucson apparently the rules have now changed in two weeks and um we're being asked for official results and and there's conversations with our secretary of state fontes and so i'm sort of wondering why in two weeks the rules are so different and maybe it has something to do with the fact that I'm number 218.
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11:37Ben Meiselas:Now, Marjorie Taylor Greene also previously said, and this was directed at Donald Trump because Donald Trump says the Epstein files are a hoax. This is a big hoax. And she goes, this isn't a hoax. Also, Donald Trump and his regime, although she acts like this didn't come from Donald Trump when it came directly from Donald Trump. This is where like Marjorie Taylor Greene, you're like, what? Yeah, it was Donald Trump who said it, that it is a politically hostile act to sign the discharge petition if you're a Republican. It is a hostile act to the regime to demand the release of the Epstein files.
12:13Ben Meiselas:And it will be treated accordingly as though you're engaged in a hostile act. Marjorie Taylor Greene's like whoever said it at the Trump regime. They're a traitor. It's Trump who said it. Trump, here play this clip. Today, he called it a hoax while these women were speaking out and they were saying we're not a hoax. We're human beings. And and I think I think we need to see see something turn around there. And I'll say that he can prove he can prove it's a hoax by releasing it. Let us let us decide if it's a hoax or not. I mean, I don't I love everything they're doing. You know, I'm MAGA through and through.
12:50Well, I just want to finish up on one thing. It's not a hoax because Jeffrey Epstein is a convicted pedophile that takes away the whole hoax things. It's not a hoax. It's not a lie. And on that note, Eric, every Republican should be able to sign on to this. And that's the real hoax, that they're afraid to sign on to it because somebody who is a real coward from one of the Trump admin officials came out and called this a hostile act against the Trump administration. I take very big offense to that because I put my life and my fortune on the line fighting to get that man elected. And whoever said that has their job because of people like me that fought all the horrible Republicans that stabbed him in the back.
13:36Ben Meiselas:Now, also, Marjorie Taylor Greene posted that good reporting by that guy, James O 'Keefe, who did that undercover report of that FBI agent who had said that when he reviewed the Epstein files, he saw that Epstein was a CIA agent. was a CIA agent and that Donald Trump wanted to cover up for other rich and powerful people and that that's one of the things that was taking place. Now, the Department of Justice says this guy was just pretending to be a, not pretend, he was an FBI agent, but he didn't have a significant position. He was overstating his access to the files, but the Trump regime lies about everything.
14:17Ben Meiselas:Ro Khanna also posts, when Matt Gaetz and Mike Walls left Congress, Republicans swore in their replacements during a pro forma session. If they don't do the same for Adelita Grijalva of Arizona on Tuesday, they'll be breaking precedent. The only reason is to block the release of the Epstein files. Hence the Jeffrey Epstein shutdown. Ro Khanna was on MSNBC with our friend Jen Psaki. And here's what he had to say as well. Play this clip. They aren't swearing her hand is because of this Epstein files. Can you believe that the government is about to shut down and they are so concerned about protecting these rich, powerful men and not having a vote on Epstein that they're not willing to swear in someone who won 69 to 29 in her election and they're not willing to have us take votes this week?
15:04I mean, I can believe it because we've seen what they've done over the last many, many months. But yes, I'm glad you called it out so people understand exactly what's happening here.
15:13Ben Meiselas:And just to further contextualize this for you, this comes at a time where the Democrats in the House Oversight Committee were able to get that third batch of Epstein documents, which showed Peter Thiel hanging out with Epstein. It showed Steve Bannon hanging out with Epstein. It mentioned Elon Musk potentially going to the island. Not sure if that ever took place, but the documents at least show that. Here's what our friend Democratic Congress member Robert Garcia has to say. Here, play this clip. Hey, it's Congressman Robert Garcia. Now, we just received some new Epstein files and documents from the Epstein estate, and some of the names are going to surprise you.
15:53Now, in this actual batch, we've got flight logs, we've got financial records, we've got information about Epstein that goes back 30 years that we just received. The files show evidence of scheduled meetings with Peter Thiel and Steve Bannon, as well as a pending trip by Elon Musk to Epstein's infamous island. Did he go? That question needs to be asked. We also know other folks are listed as passengers, including Prince Andrew. And the more files we get, the more we realize how vast Epstein's network really was. It spanned the globe, reaching high places and powerful people. And like I've said before, I don't care how much money you have, how powerful you are, or if you're a Republican or a Democrat.
16:31If you harm the women and girls, you deserve to be exposed. and we have to get justice for the survivors. The Attorney General, Pam Bondi, has the power right now to release all of the files. We need them released. Release the files immediately. Thanks so much.
16:48Ben Meiselas:And then finally, as Democratic Congress member Dan Goldman had to say, look, Trump's in the Epstein files and now all the MAGAs out there who have basically said, we want to release, now that they know Trump's in it, now they're doing cover-up stuff. Here's Congress member Goldman. Let's play it. Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. So now all of a sudden, the Republicans who were so aggressively intent on releasing the Epstein files because they were going to be a huge, explosive story about Democrats involved with Jeffrey Epstein are quiet. So the irony of these Republicans accusing the Democrats now of only being interested in this for political purposes is so thick that it is almost sucking us into the quicksand.
17:45But let's go a step further. Let's go a step further. Because now the cover-up is getting so deep and so intense that this committee, which has oversight over the Department of Justice and would ordinarily be the one that is doing this investigation, is running away from it. Why? Because Chairman Comer is the useful idiot who will do the cover up for Donald Trump. And what does that mean? Oh, well, now there is an oversight investigation. But you know what they're not asking for? Those kind of comments. And he knows that. Gentleman's recognized. Now the oversight committee is doing an investigation.
18:34But you know what they're not asking for? You know what you did not put in the rule to confirm that investigation? We're not asking for the documents that were used to open the investigation, who provided the information. They're not asking for witness statements, victim witness statements. They're not asking for recordings that may exist. they're not asking for any of the evidence that might include Donald Trump. And rather than acknowledge that you're just trying to cover up for Donald Trump's knowledge and involvement in the Jeffrey Epstein scheme, you're trying to accuse us of being interested?
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