MeidasTouch Full Podcast - 1/27/26

23:23Jordy Meiselas:And a White House that is so hell-bent on grabbing power and control of your life, they will do anything and stop at absolutely nothing to take it away. They will even take away your last tool of defense. The Second Amendment is about deterrence. It's about ensuring the government respects the rights and the liberty of citizens. A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of a people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

24:00Ben Meiselas:She quotes the Second Amendment, round of applause, when it's actually addressed through how it's supposed to be utilized by Alex Preti, they don't care. And the point is, they don't care about anything. They really don't. Geordi, you say creatures, whatever you want to say. These people don't care about anything other than propping up their own Kim Jong-un. These are incompetent people who couldn't make it other than by propping up someone who will hoist a right-wing oligarchy to suck up the wealth of this nation, to butcher this nation, to turn this nation into a dystopian hellscape where the worst of the worst thrive and people who just want to live their lives struggle to survive.

24:51Ben Meiselas:That's what this is about. I want to take our first quick break of the show. When we come back, we have a lot to discuss that New York Magazine blockbuster report on Donald Trump's deteriorating health and some of the most bizarre descriptions of human behavior I've ever heard, like in any setting. Talk about that. Talk about the continued cover up of the Epstein files. We're never going to forget about that. Trump's attack on Canada and more. We're going to take our first quick break. A reminder, click join right now if you can and gift memberships to others. Midas Touch Network is continuing to expand.

25:28Ben Meiselas:We've got a reporter in Nuke in Greenland right now. We've got reporters on the ground through our partnership with Status Quo in Minneapolis. We've got a DC bureau that's holding politicians accountable. You know, there was 100 % attendance of Democrats this past week, which is unheard of because they know our cameras are there. And Democrats who voted to fund ICE have been apologizing for it because they were asked simple questions. It wasn't trick questions. Do you support funding ICE or do you not support funding? Just asking the questions. and our reporters are there asking the questions that you want answered.

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30:14Jordy Meiselas:So please, all of you, stay warm, stay safe. I know the temperatures are literally beyond ice cold. They're freezing. I've seen the pictures.

30:23Brett Meiselas:I always comment on what's happening on the screen. And finally, someone was like, fine, I'll go to the YouTube and watch it. And they're like, I'm really glad I did that. This was someone who I was DMing back and forth. So for the audio listeners, you could hit up the Midas Touch YouTube account and see those lights.

30:37Ben Meiselas:Let's talk about what's happening on Capitol Hill in the House of Representatives. MAGA Mike Johnson, Republican Speaker of the House, ordered the House into yet another recess. Vacation time, more vacation, right? The same way they seem like they don't work anymore under MAGA Mike, the same way there was recess for all of those. It's like lunch, like recess, everybody, no more working while they get like the gold plan health care while ripping away health care from Americans and not extending the Affordable Care Act and just destroying Americans' lives. But they went on recess when they were covering up the Epstein files and they're still covering up the Epstein files.

31:16Ben Meiselas:But over the summer, right, they didn't work for like, what, two months or something like that. They just decided not to show up, basically. And he did the same thing again. So the MAGA Republicans, with the assistance of seven Democrats who we've called out, they push through a one point two trillion dollar overall. all, it's called the minibus, a big appropriations plan that has defense spending and FEMA money. And then they sneak in spending for additional spending for ICE and Border Patrol. And what they try to do with the minibus is kind of be like, well, we all need disaster relief because there's going to be snowstorms.

31:55Ben Meiselas:So if you don't want to fund ICE and Border Patrol, we're going to call you out because then that means you're not going to fund FEMA during the winter storm. And then we're going to use that against you. So they try to tie these things together in order to pressure people to vote to give more money for state-sponsored terrorism by saying, well, if you don't support the state-sponsored terrorism, then I guess we're not going to be able to fund emergency relief for the storms. That's how screwed up. I guess we're not going to fund the troops. And our troops are going to go starving, so you got to fund the ICE and Border Patrol.

32:32Ben Meiselas:No, do not fund ICE and Border Patrol. As Brett said at the beginning, it needs to be defunded, abolished, and frequently prosecuted is what needs to be happening. We can talk about funding terrorists. What are we talking about here? So the House pushed forward that. Then that moves to the Senate, right? Remember how a bill becomes a law. So now it's in the Senate. And if the Senate makes any alterations to the House appropriations bill. It has to go back to the House. But the problem is, Maga Mike is on vacation, and he sent the House home. So they can't make any adjustments if the Senate excises or removes the ICE and Border Patrol portion from the minibus, as it's called, the appropriations package.

33:20Ben Meiselas:Now the Democrats have put out a statement in the Senate, I hope they stick with this and they don't fold, but they've made it clear that there are certain non-negotiables that they're saying they need to see happen in order for there to be any additional funding. And there needs to be accountability from Kristi Noem and Bovino. Troops need to get out of Minnesota. There needs to be an independent investigation. And the state officials have to come back in. And no more funding for ICE and Border Patrol right now, given everything. It shouldn't have taken this to get there, but here we are. So now you have statements like this from Susan Collins.

34:00Ben Meiselas:She's concerned, everybody. She's concerned, y 'all. So Republican Susan Collins says the following. Collins says a shutdown would be harmful, unnecessary, and disastrous. Collins says she shares the concern about Alex Petty's killing over the weekend, but she notes that the DHS funding bill also includes money for FEMA, TSA, et cetera. Yeah, we know that's part of the extortion racket here by combining these things and making them a package deal. No, what you should do is just, it's very easy, remove the portion that includes funding for ICE and Border Patrol, right? All you have to do, I'll make it very easy, Brett, Jordy, and Midas, here's how you would do it.

34:41Ben Meiselas:You put a line through it, okay? And you say, nope, we're not doing that. Then it goes to the House. But wait a minute, the House isn't there. But if they were working and we wanted to keep the government open, they would show up, although Maga Mike doesn't want to. Maga Mike would do his job. He would pass the identical language. And then the government would be funded. Like this is not, don't let corporate news and others try to overcomplicate this situation. Magamike sent the House into recess to contrive a controversy while he's gone radio silent about the murder of Preti. That's what happened.

35:17Ben Meiselas:And now the Senate Republicans want to try to call the Democrats bluff that, well, you're going to screw over our troops if you don't fund terrorism with ICE and Border Patrol Gestapo. No, just Democrats. Stand on principles. Stand on values. Say no. So that's what's happening, though, in the House and the Senate. So I wanted to break it down in a way that you understand the extortion racket that these MAGs are pulling. And even when the media acts like this is a complicated thing, it isn't. You strike one line from what the House did or a few lines that deal with ICE and Border Patrol. Then the House votes on it.

35:54Ben Meiselas:They pass it. And the government's funded with no additional funding for ICE and Border Patrol. So anyway, I wanted to mention that at the outset. Brett Geordi, what'd you think about that article from New York Magazine here? They followed the Wall Street Journal's tactic here, where they give a headline that Donald Trump will like, but then in the reporting itself, it's scathing. So they call it the superhuman president, right? They're probably fishing for Donald Trump to repost it. The superhuman president, right? Donald Trump will be like.

36:25Jordy Meiselas:I mean, just look at the photo that he used. You know, quite, quite intentional. They used an incredibly unflattering photo of Trump struggling to walk up the steps. I think the irony is there for anyone to, you know, to see it. But no, this was an interesting look into the mind, I would say, of Donald Trump. And this writer here, his name is Ben Terrace. So he wrote this piece and he spoke with Trump and he spoke with some of Trump's doctors. And it was just some of the most deranged stuff you've ever seen. But certain things, I think when Donald Trump says things out loud, especially unprompted, I think the alarm bell should go off in your head and you should be like, that's interesting.

37:08Jordy Meiselas:That's interesting. And one thing is something that we've been reporting here incessantly on the Midas Touch podcast, on the Midas Touch Network. And if you've been following this reporting, Ben has been doing deep dives into Donald Trump's family history and has been speaking about the way in which Donald Trump's father, Fred Trump was diagnosed with Alzheimer's and how Donald Trump himself seems to be going down a very similar trajectory. And Donald Trump started speaking about this himself during this interview is the one of the things that came out of this interview. And so I'll read this piece quickly, and then I'll toss it back to the guys.

37:42Jordy Meiselas:But here's an example from this piece right here. This is what Donald Trump said to this writer, Ben Terrace. My father had one problem, Trump said. He started getting, what do they call it? He pointed to his forehead and looked to his press secretary for the word that escaped him. Alzheimer's, Levitt said. Like an Alzheimer's thing, Trump said. Well, I don't have it. Now, I'm just going to say it's probably not a great sign and doesn't speak to your mental faculties when you can't remember the name of the diagnosis. that you yourself are being accused of having and that your father had when it has to do with memory loss and, you know, mental decline, cognitive decline and all the like.

38:31Jordy Meiselas:But that was really just the beginning, you know, of the story as well. But I found that line in particular, guys, you know, very, very revealing and especially the way that Trump kind of volunteered, you know, felt the need to say that himself to this person who is prying about his health.

38:47Brett Meiselas:if we wrote that here like if we wrote that into a ben video you guys would think we made it up or you'd be a little bit too on the nose might as touch a little bit too on the note oh my god he pointed to his head he forgot the word caroline levitt has to interject say alzheimer's and he just it is it's beyond me it's it is beyond me that more people aren't speaking up about Donald Trump's mental fitness. Well, let's talk about how this piece opens by Ben Terrace.

39:19Ben Meiselas:This is how he describes it. I don't even, I don't want to give you my characterization. Let me just read it. This is from Ben Terrace about showing up at the Oval Office to ask Donald Trump questions about his health. When I arrived at the Oval Office in December to talk to Donald Trump about his health, the president was standing next to a couple of men clutching pieces of paper labeled talking points. These are two doctors, Trump told me before I could ask a question. And by the way, I don't know them. They're not my best friends. They're respected doctors that practice out of Walter Reed. And they happen to be taking care of me for anything.

39:53Ben Meiselas:But I don't need any taking care of because I'm in perfect health. I do purposefully every year or less a physical because I think the American people should know that the president is healthy. So you don't get a guy like the last one who was the worst thing that ever happened to older people. Because I know people in their 90s that are 100%. Gary Player is 90 years old. He shot 70 with me the other day. Trump gestured at everyone present, me, the doctors, and press secretary Caroline Leavitt, to follow him into the room. Let's sit for a couple of minutes, he said. I hate to waste a lot of time on this, but if you're going to write a bad story about my health, I'm going to sue the ass off of New York Magazine.

40:32Ben Meiselas:There will be a time when you can write that story, maybe in two years, three years, five years, five years. No one is going to care, I guess. Go ahead and sit down. Then Donald Trump showed his hand that was discolored and said and bruised. This is only from shaking hands, he said, rubbing his left thumb over the back of his right hand, a claim he would repeat to other journalists. Trump turned to the doctors, Captain Sean Barbarella, his lead physician, and Colonel James Jones, a physician's assistant with a PhD in health science. Can you just verify that? He said, absolutely, said Barbabella, a short man with close cropped hair and a nervous smile.

41:09Ben Meiselas:I've seen the president shaking hands for over an hour. Trump held up his non-shaking hand. Look, this one's perfect, he said. People say, what beautiful skin you have. What beautiful skin you have. The White House said that the bruise that appeared on his left hand in Davos was caused by him hitting it against a table corner. Trump also blamed women's fingernails and rings for the cuts on his right hand, including one particularly nasty slice that came from a botched high five with Attorney General Pam Bondi. Leavitt then turns to Jones and said, yes, I did. He said Jones had, in fact, worked from 2009 to 2018 as a senior medical leader in the White House.

41:51Ben Meiselas:at the end of his presidency, Barack Obama, a fitness fanatic, rumored to allow himself precisely seven almonds a night, was 55 years old. Who is healthier, Obama or President Trump? I asked. This is the reporter asking Trump's physician. Trump stared across the desk, making eye contact with Jones. Jones didn't hesitate. President Trump, he said. Trump nodded. There was no sign of a smile as if there could not have been any other answer to that question. Also, we learned from this piece that Marco Rubio said he covers his head with a blanket when taking naps on Air Force One so Trump won't think his secretary of state is weak for needing sleep on overseas flights.

42:36Ben Meiselas:I mean, this is some of the most deranged, deranged stuff imaginable right here, folks. And to me, it raises many more questions. And, you know, this is someone who wakes up in the morning and posts things like this. If Governor Carney thinks he's going to make Canada a drop off port for China to send goods and products into the United States, he is sorely mistaken. China will eat Canada alive, completely devour it, including the destruction of their business, social fabric, and general way of life. If Canada makes a deal with China, it will immediately be hit with a 100 % tariff against all Canadian goods and products coming into the USA.

43:19Ben Meiselas:Thank you for your attention to this matter. D, J, T, and Brett, I don't know. I know we have the side-by-side there. Do we have the video portion of that where this is what he said the week before he posted this when he was out two weeks before when he was asked about Carney making the deal with Xi Jinping that then Trump in this deranged state said he's now doing 100 percent tariffs on Canada. This is after he threatened countries with 30 % tariffs if they didn't allow him to invade Greenland. And then he made up a fake deal with Greenland and Denmark that he claimed would give him spots of sovereignty within Greenland that Greenland and Denmark never agreed to coming out of Davos where he confused Greenland with Iceland.

44:03Ben Meiselas:But here's what Trump said two weeks ago about the Canada deal with China. Let's play this clip. How do you see the deals, Canada and China? I've just signed trade deals between the two partners. Well, it's OK. That's what he should be doing. I mean, it's a good thing for him to sign a trade deal. If you can get a deal with China, you should do it. If you should get a deal with China, you should do it. And then so then Carney is asked, well, what do you make of Trump saying 100 % tariffs on Canada now as Canada opened up its legislative session? And just watch Carney, who's a competent, smart, shrewd leader, who's basically the leader of the free world right now, like the right person for this moment, very high popularity in Canada.

44:43Ben Meiselas:And he shuts down Trump's tariff threats in one sentence. Watch this.

44:46Jordy Meiselas:How are you responding to Trump's threats of 100 percent tariffs?

44:49Brett Meiselas:Well, the first thing is that, you know, Canada respects our engagements, our commitments. There are commitments under KUSMA not to pursue free trade agreements with non-market economies without prior notification. We have no intention of doing that with China or any other non-market economy. What we've done with China is to rectify some issues that developed in the last couple of years. In many respects, we're going, to use the expression, back to the future with respect to EVs, with respect to agriculture, with respect to fish products and other food products, but with additional protections.

45:36Brett Meiselas:So, for example, back in 2023, we didn't have a cap on the number of EVs. We didn't have a requirement for a large proportion of those EVs to be affordable, highly affordable EVs for Canadians. So it's entirely consistent with Kuzma, with our obligations, which we very much respect under Kuzma and will continue to work that way. Right.

45:59Ben Meiselas:And by the way, Trump had already said he wants to rip apart Kuzma and doesn't care about it. That's the Canada-U.S.-Mexico agreement, also known as the USMCA, depending on United States-Mexico-Canada agreement, depending on the country's framing of it. But Trump already said he doesn't. He doesn't. Why would I care about Kuzma or USMCA? And so what Prime Minister Carney is saying, what Europe is saying, what other countries are saying is your words are meaningless now, Donald. Do it. Do it. We've forged alliances, right, whether it's transatlantic alliances with Canada and Europe or trans-Pacific alliances with Canada, China and other Asian nations, whether it's Europe forging alliances in South America and elsewhere.

46:42Ben Meiselas:The rest of the world has made their chess moves while Donald Trump is out there playing checkers in the Oval Office saying, what's this on my head? Alzheimer? What is it? What is it called? I mean, what is happening here? We have a lot to discuss. We're going to take our last quick break of the show. Lots of big moves are happening right now as the pressure mounts on the Trump regime. Greg Bovino is out. Bovino is getting demoted. We'll talk about what's happening with Bovino. We'll talk about the continuing cover-up of the Epstein files. And, you know, Trump is a creature, to use your term, Jordy, of habit, you know, of demented habit.

47:26Ben Meiselas:So in his mind, the walls are closing in. So what does he do? Bill Barr worked for me with the Mueller report. Let me bring back Bill Barr. So he's got Bill Barr now writing op-eds for him in the Wall Street Journal saying, I think Pam Bondi is doing a great job with the Epstein files. We'll talk about that and more. Let's take our last quick break of the show. A reminder, you may think you're subscribed to our YouTube channel. Double check, make sure you're subscribed, but also maybe join, become a member and help grow the Midas Touch Network. And you can gift members for other, gift memberships for other people right now.

48:00Ben Meiselas:And also make sure you're subscribed on audio and YouTube. So if you watch this on YouTube, search Midas Touch Podcast on the audio platform where you listen to podcasts and hit subscribe there. It helps us in the audio algorithms as well. And we just launched on the Midas Touch Network, the Aaron Parnas audio podcast, which was climbing the charts and which was one of the most downloaded and listened to political podcasts. So you've got the Midas Touch podcast there, and we just launched the Aaron Parnas in addition to all of the other great podcasts we have.

48:31Jordy Meiselas:And that's called the Parnas Perspective for all those who want to go check it out on all the various podcast apps, go check it out, rate it five stars. And Aaron's really good at these quick news hits injecting you with exactly the information that you need to hear. It's a really good show. Aaron is such a great reporter and just does a really good job with his sourcing and getting all the stories and getting some really great scoops.

48:53Ben Meiselas:Last break of the show.

48:54Brett Meiselas:We'll be right back.

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52:05Brett Meiselas:Shout out to our sponsors, man. Links in description of both the YouTube and the audio. Use the links, use the codes. If there's an exit survey, let them know we sent you really, really quick. I was thinking over break. I'm like, who is complimenting Trump on this? this what beautiful skin you have, sir. Such a weird thing to say. Then it hit me. Must be his late great friend, Hannibal Lecter.

52:22Ben Meiselas:Benji, let's say you pass it over to Brett for a second. I got a knock on the door. Brett, can you take it over for a second?

52:29Jordy Meiselas:Yeah, absolutely. So first, I want to show everybody right now some of these comparisons because what some folks have realized online and seeing the messaging that's been put forth by Greg Bovino, the Border Patrol commander at large. And we have some news to announce in that regard, you know, in any second, I'll get to it. But I just want to show you the way that this Trump regime handles their communications and their information and how they align their messaging and how it's intentional in the ways that they smear and defame victims. This isn't just an individual acting rogue. This is what they do.

53:07Jordy Meiselas:This is intentional. And so let me show you this video right now. I'm going to show you, and for the audio listeners, so you know what I'm playing you, you're going to see Greg Bovino, the Border Patrol commander at large, well, at least was, and like I said, we'll get to that in just a moment, and Kristi Noem, the DHS, the Homeland Security Secretary, their reaction to Alex Preddy and the comments that they made after his murder. And watch how they line up word for word. Check this out. An individual approached U.S. Border Patrol officers with a nine millimeter 9mm semi-automatic handgun.

53:44Brett Meiselas:The officers attempted to disarm this individual, but the armed suspect reacted violently. Fearing for his life and for the lives of his fellow officers around him, an agent fired defensive shots.

54:00Jordy Meiselas:Medics were on the scene immediately and attempted to deliver medical aid to the subject, but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

54:09Brett Meiselas:The suspect also had two magazines with ammunition in them that held dozens of rounds. He also had no ID. This looks like a situation where an individual arrived at the scene to inflict maximum damage on individuals and to kill law enforcement.

54:24Jordy Meiselas:It's just absolutely appalling when you watch that and see how in sync they are and how this is all intentional. Their goal was to smear the victim, and this is what they do every single time. And one of the things I've been saying is we're so lucky there are cameras present. at these events. And that's why Alex Preddy was there with his phone filming. And that's why I think one of the most patriotic things that people are doing right now are recording this Gestapo that's out there doing these actions because without the video evidence, you are just relying on this regime narrative. And we know they lie about everything.

54:57Jordy Meiselas:I just want you to think about a few days ago, one of the things that we covered, one of the discoveries that we made here at the Midas touch network that made massive news that the department of Homeland security and Donald Trump in the White House released an AI altered image of a woman that they arrested at a church in Minneapolis. They altered the image and presented it as if it were real to the public. They're willing to do all of this stuff. They're quite literally willing to lie about everything. And I'm also not going to pretend like this started with Donald Trump, although this is probably the most in-your-face example of all of this.

55:30Jordy Meiselas:I think we could look out there and talk to any black American out there who has had experience with police, they've experienced this. That's deeply ingrained. It's deeply known that individuals, police officers, law enforcement, in this case, this ICE Gestapo, will use any excuse, will smear you with any lie, make up anything about you in order to put you in jail, in order to kill you. This is their MO. That's why these agencies, their biggest fear is being identified. Their biggest fear is being shown exactly what they are doing and getting exposed for their actions. That's why they are forcefully fighting back, in this case, murdering an individual for recording them.

56:12Jordy Meiselas:That's why they're wearing these masks. That's what's behind the whole thing, because that's their biggest kryptonite, you know, so to speak. And so I think so many Americans have known this now for a long time. But now we're seeing this at the highest levels of our government with this ICE Gestapo, with this border patrol.

56:28Ben Meiselas:Look at the statement put out before by the German Foreign Ministry. The German Foreign Ministry is now warning travelers to the United States to be vigilant and exercise increased caution because of violent confrontations with federal agents in Minneapolis and other U.S. cities. This is an updated travel advisory, putting people on alert. Be very careful. The damage that's being done to America internationally right now, generationally, both in terms of the state-sponsored terrorism and violence taking place in our country, our attacks on NATO, our attacks on allies or former allies, it is creating generational problems.

57:09Ben Meiselas:And as I mentioned earlier, I had the opportunity to interview Professor Justin Wolfers, economist over at University of Michigan, and he and I were discussing, it's not just measuring the impact of what Trump's doing on our economy this quarter or next quarter. It's focusing on the long-term damage to America's reputation and how America as a wealthy country, as a country that was the envy of the world economically, now shrinks and shrivels away as other countries assert themselves, as the BRICS block grows, as these other alliances, Canada and China, transatlantic and trans-Pacific relationships grow.

57:52Ben Meiselas:Let's take a look at what Professor Wolfers had to say. Let's play it. But let me go one step deeper, Ben.

57:59Brett Meiselas:I want to challenge you and literally everyone in the media to think a little harder about what economic things we should be looking at. Here's what I mean. Don't think about next quarter. Don't think about next year. And even look through a recession. Ask the much deeper question, what are the foundations of prosperity? economic prosperity, shared prosperity, equitable growth. Look across countries and ask yourself, why is the United States rich and the country of my birth, Papua New Guinea, poor? And we have economists who ask this question and they load all sorts of numbers into their computers and they run very complicated analyses or they do studies or case studies and historical analyses.

58:43Brett Meiselas:And the answer turns out to be what we call institutions, the rules of the game, the rules of economic and political life, The fact that we respect the rule of law, that we have contestable elections, that we have contracts that we respect, that the government plays a limited and predictable role in economic life, and on and on the list goes. And the thing is, those are the things the president is undermining. He's attempting to take away the independence of the Federal Reserve. He's tried to undermine how much federal economic statistics reflect reality. He's tried to overturn an election. He's snatching people up off the streets.

59:23Brett Meiselas:He is calling CEOs and telling them what to do. This is the most interventionist government of my lifetime. It's the least conservative government of my lifetime. When you are the richest country in the world, maybe you're not the ones who should be thinking about ripping down your existing institutions. It's those who are somewhat behind. But that's what the president's doing. That's not going to show up in next quarter's GDP. What that's going to show up as is in a decade's time, there'll be some companies that were never founded. There were some entrepreneurs who couldn't afford to go to business school.

59:54Brett Meiselas:There were immigrants with great ideas who ended up staying in their home countries instead. And so whatever the next generation's Google or OpenAI is, it may not end up being invented or it may not happen on our soil. And we will never see that absence. But our kids will feel it. Our kids will feel it in a set of lost opportunities. There'll be businesses they never started. There'll be job opportunities. There'll be new technologies. There'll be ways of creating a greener, safer, more prosperous future that simply aren't possible, but we're not going to see it straight away. And that, I think, is our current media is not well set up to talk about those issues because there's no number comes out.

1:00:37Brett Meiselas:There's no news cycle. There's no Wall Street Journal headline. But it turns out economic research tells us that's the stuff that matters.

1:00:44Ben Meiselas:Powerful stuff right there. And we're going to bring on Professor Wolfers much more on the Midas Touch Network. I've been speaking to him over the weekend about how we integrate him more into the Midas. I know the Midas mighty love Professor Wolfers. I've always been an admirer of his. So as we expand our coverage, I want to be able to bring more economic data from the top economists, you know, in our country right now. I'll bring this up and then Brett, you'll talk about Bovino, but very quickly, you had Bill Barr, former attorney general, pen this op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, why Pam Bondi didn't publish all Epstein files in 30 days.

1:01:22Ben Meiselas:The answer is simple. It was not possible. Then he goes on to say, House Democrats added by a handful of misguided Republicans forced the passage of the Epstein Files Transparency Act in November. The statute directed Pam Bondi to release the files within 30 days. Then he goes on to say it was more than 5 million pages of material. In linear feet, it's more than three times the height of the Washington Monument. So how could they possibly get this done? Well, let's be very clear. Pam Bondi claimed that she was going to turn these files over back in February. She had basically a full year to turn these over.

1:01:57Ben Meiselas:That's the issue. It wasn't that they had 30 days. The 30 days was after they said they were going to turn it over and refused to turn it over. They had a thousand lawyers working on this, a thousand. Okay. When I was doing document productions like this, when I was a lawyer and I would have five associates with me, we would, uh, it would take us about 60 days to go through three to five terabytes, which is more documents than this. We'd have it logged and sorted. So if you have a thousand lawyers who are just doing this and why is only 1 % of the files been produced? Why aren't they loading these documents on a rolling basis and putting 50 ,000, 50 ,000, 50 ,000.

1:02:33Ben Meiselas:Why aren't they doing that? Right? They're just, they did one dump of 12 ,000 documents. What now? Almost 40, 37 days ago, and now they're not going to turn over everything. The whole thing's a coverup, but it's just interesting to me that the Trump regime goes back to Bill Barr to go to the Wall Street Journal to pen that op-ed, which is total BS. And I don't want to do an episode where we don't talk about the coverup of the Epstein files. Brett, I've got to run because I'm at a location where I believe this room. They're kicking you out of glass. But Brett, I'm going to turn it over to you to talk about the big news in Bovino.

1:03:06Ben Meiselas:Might is mighty. We love you, and we're grateful for you.

1:03:08Jordy Meiselas:Will do. Thanks, Professor. We'll see you soon. Okay, so let's dive into this. But before I dive into this, I also want to mention Bill Barr has been Donald Trump's hatchet man from the beginning, right? And yes, while when he thought that Trump wouldn't be re-elected and all that, you saw Bill Barr make statements against Donald Trump, that's true. Bill Barr was essential in covering up everything for Donald Trump during his first term. So it's no surprise to me that he is a guy who is rushing to the Wall Street Journal in order to launder this BS for Donald Trump. And it's also no surprise to me that it's about the Epstein files.

1:03:44Jordy Meiselas:You know, I don't know how many of you all know, but Bill Barr is actually deeply ingrained in the Epstein of it all. Bill Barr's father, Donald Barr, was headmaster of the Dalton School in New York. And he was literally the individual who hired Epstein as a teacher there in the 1970s. Weird coincidence? I certainly think so. I remember Epstein at this time didn't even have a college degree, but he was hired as a teacher at this prestigious Dalton School. I mean, I'm just going to say that's a little freaking weird. My spidey sense... It's a red flag. It's a good way to call it. It's a bit of a red flag.

1:04:17Jordy Meiselas:My spidey senses are going off as soon as I hear that. And then of course, Bill Barr also oversaw the sex trafficking case of Epstein during the first term. And he was in charge when Epstein died under very suspicious circumstances in the federal prison system. It was overseen by Bill Barr at the time. And so I'm just saying there's a lot of smoke over there. And if you want to say where there's smoke, there's fire. I'll let you draw that conclusion. But I want to just note all of these facts. These are undisputed facts for people so that you can understand that. Barr, I think, also worked for one of these big law firms, I think it was Kirkland and Ellis.

1:04:55Jordy Meiselas:And I think they had represented Epstein in the past. I don't know if Bill Barr had any actual direct relationship with that or if it was just the firm at large, but it just shows you all these connections there at play. So no surprise. Now let's get to the breaking news of the moment. And this has to do with Greg Bovino. Greg Bovino, the Border Patrol commander at large, irony at large. He's a very, very tiny man in morals and in stature. But here's Greg Bovino for those watching. I'm showing a couple images of Greg Bovino because this guy basically presents himself like a Nazi Gestapo figure.

1:05:32Jordy Meiselas:I mean, I just have to say it straight, right? And when you look at these images of him, he's not even really trying to hide it. And I think all of you have probably seen these images. I'm showing the folks right now who are watching. On the right, there's the image of him in this very unusual trench coat looking thing. And on the left, I'm showing him make a specific arm gesture that looks like a Nazi arm gesture. And when you watch that video too, that's what it looks like. And that's what he went down the streets of these cities. He's been dispatched to Minneapolis in order to cause terror there.

1:06:00Jordy Meiselas:And he has caused terror there. And so as we began this episode, we were speaking about the damage control that Trump is trying to do right now, not because it's the right thing to do, but because Donald Trump reportedly was watching television all weekend, as Donald Trump does, and he was seeing the ways that people were speaking about him and his regime's cold-blooded murder of yet another innocent person. And he wasn't upset that his regime murdered an individual in cold blood, but he was pretty upset that the people on Fox News and all these other networks and stuff were saying some mean things about him about it and saying that it wasn't a good idea, that the administration looks terrible, and that they need to do something about this.

1:06:41Jordy Meiselas:Donald Trump didn't like that. He didn't like being embarrassed on television. That's where this all stems from. So we're just learning right now, this is new reporting coming in from The Atlantic, that Greg Bovino has been demoted. I'll read you this reporting here. It's from Nick Meiroff of The Atlantic. It says, Greg Bovino gets demoted. The Border Patrol chief was the public face of a traveling immigration crackdown on cities governed by Democrats. And it says the following, and this is the big news. Gregory Bovino has been removed from his role as Border Patrol commander at large and will return to his former job in El Centro, California, where he is expected to retire soon.

1:07:19Jordy Meiselas:according to a DHS official and two people familiar, two people with knowledge of the change. Bavino's sudden demotion is the clearest sign yet that the Trump administration is reconsidering some of its most aggressive tactics after the killing Saturday of 37-year-old Alex Preddy by Border Patrol agents under Bavino's command. And we've been hearing that there's, you know, through all this reporting lately, that there's been a lot of tension at these agencies. I think a lot of people also in the agencies are even disgusted by what happened. I mean, it's appalling. The whole thing is appalling and it's inexcusable.

1:07:56Jordy Meiselas:But as our editor-in-chief, Ron Filipkowski says, Ron basically said, wake me up when they're not just shifting seats around in the Titanic because that's what this feels like. Exactly. They want to act like there is accountability right now without there actually being accountability. But let me just read on the story just a little bit more because there's a little information here.

1:08:18Brett Meiselas:Before we continue to read on from there, I just want to add this. You know, it just shows you what a coward Trump continues to be in this whole situation. Firing Bovino, I think Trump would think, oh, he would then admit that he was wrong, right? But this demotion to, okay, then Bovino's going to quietly resign in his old position that he used to have. There's no accountability. Ron put it perfectly in that statement. They were just shuffling seats around at this point.

1:08:45Jordy Meiselas:Yeah. And as Ron said also, he says, Bovino is just the patsy, a noxious and odious fall guy. Stephen Miller is the architect and prime mover of the whole thing. Everything they do is at his direction, often after his threats. As long as he runs policy in the White House, nothing will change no matter how many Bovino's come and go. And within this story, very well said. And another nugget in the story says that Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and and her close advisor, Corey Lewandowski. I'm going to put advisor in big quotes there for those who know a little bit about their rumored relationship, I will say.

1:09:20Jordy Meiselas:But a lot of people think that Lewandowski is basically a big guy running a lot of this stuff for Kristi Noem also behind the scenes. Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and her close advisor, Corey Lewandowski, who are Bovino's biggest backers at DHS, are also at risk of losing their jobs, two of the people told The Atlantic. So that's where we are at right there. But once again, that's rearranging the chairs in the Titanic. It's not justice. It's not accountability. Stephen Miller is still in charge of everything. And Stephen Miller is one of the most horrific human beings on the planet, one of the most odious human beings who has ever existed, a truly evil person.

1:09:58Jordy Meiselas:And I try to give people the benefit of the doubt at all times, especially if they have different views than me. but Stephen Miller is an evil, vile, human piece of trash. I mean, he's just a piece of trash, this guy. So what we want is we want the identities of the officers out there who committed these heinous acts, who committed this murder over the weekend. We want their prosecutions. We want actual investigations into the conduct. And all of these freaking people need to go. All of them need to go, including Donald Trump, of course. All of these people need to go. They are all complicit in the murder of an American citizen.

1:10:31Jordy Meiselas:They're all complicit in murders of multiple American citizens and people who are here legally for various reasons or undocumented people, whatever it is. Don't just go around killing people. You are not judge, jury, and executioner. And how dare you for thinking that you could take that role? I think it's interesting also. We monitor all sorts of things on the internet with people, what people are saying, because that's oftentimes when they say things and reveal who they really are. I mean, we know who these people are, but they really say things. And if you monitor even like Katie Miller, Stephen Miller's wife's Twitter feed, it's some of the most odious stuff that you could ever find.

1:11:11Jordy Meiselas:And it just shows how much they truly hate the Constitution. Like she posted earlier today, there was an open AI executive that, you know, the company makes chat, GPT. They posted something just, they posted the amendments to the Constitution. The First Amendment says this, the Second Amendment says that, the Third Amendment says this, the Fourth Amendment says that. That really offended Katie Miller. She was like, could you, she literally like, could you believe what this guy just posted? Could you, could you fricking believe this? Like why, why do you have a problem with the U S constitution?

1:11:40Jordy Meiselas:I think that's, I think that's very bizarre. One of these other AI founders, one of the co-founders, Anthropic is the company. He said the following, my deep loyalty is to the principles of classical liberal democracy. And Katie Miller goes, if this is what they say publicly, this is how their AI model is programmed. woke and deeply leftist ideology is what they want you to rely upon. It's just a lot of this, just the fact that these people don't freaking understand anything, or are they not understanding it on purpose? Because if you actually know what liberal democracy is, that's what we should all be striving for.

1:12:17Jordy Meiselas:And that's what most of the Western world strives for. That's what the United States strives for. It does not mean liberalism in the political sense. It does not mean leftism. It does not mean what she's talking about. Classical liberalism is the political philosophy that emphasizes the rights of individuals, liberty, the right to life, liberty, speech, property. That's what classic liberalism is. So the fact that these people keep telling on themselves and revealing that they actually hate, as Geordi said, hate the American experiment, hate the United States Constitution, hate the actual values these countries stand for.

1:12:48Jordy Meiselas:And while they do it, they wrap themselves in the flag and put a cross around their neck. Disgraceful, disgraceful people. And if there's anybody out there defending the murder of Alex Preti or the murder of any of these people, then don't talk to me ever again. Don't talk to me. Don't give me the BS. And that's also why I hate so much. So many of the, not to go on a rant, why I hate so many of these debate shows and all of these kind of, oh, well, don't you want to debate me, bro? Or no, because these people aren't working from an honest place. You cannot look at that footage. You cannot evaluate the situation and come to any other conclusion other than what we witnessed was an execution by Trump's goons of an innocent man, of an American patriot, of somebody who actually went out there to help.

1:13:34Jordy Meiselas:So it's no wonder that in this midst of this chaos, of this destruction, this destruction of our country, that we are seeing so many people overseas say, we don't want anything to do with the United States of America anymore. How could they? right and so we have the world cup the world cup is going to be split between the united states canada and mexico and a lot of countries now are like why would we send our people to the united states of america like you know what's going on over there yeah like it's chaos it's a war zone it looks like a war zone you have these psychopaths rounding people up putting them in camps with no regard to any criminal history whatsoever there was a legal reporter kyle cheney for politico who did an incredible thread on Twitter where he went through so many of these cases of the people that they actually arrested in Minneapolis and Minnesota at large.

1:14:27Jordy Meiselas:And all of these cases, so many of them, no criminal backgrounds, just normal people who they whipped off the street. Some of them with asylum claims, some of them here were people who were just here legally, they were like citizens, green cards, whatever. Took them off the streets, threw them in detention camps where they were basically tortured. these countries you want to send your people here to play soccer football whatever you call it wherever you live is that what you really want and so we're also seeing this latest comment right here that i just want to bring to you before we kind of wind things down this is the former fifa president sep blatter and he is calling on world cup fans to stay away from the united states and i don't blame him he said quote this is the exact quote for the fans there's only one piece of advice.

1:15:14Jordy Meiselas:Stay away from the USA. I mean, I think that speaks volumes as to where we are at. When you look at the numbers of tourism in the United States, when you look at just the way people feel about the United States, sentiment towards the United States, Donald Trump said that we used to get laughed at and that we weren't respected and that now we're respected again, quite the opposite. Quite the opposite. Donald Trump has brought shame to the United States of America, and he brings shame every day to the United States of America. And that's why we are ramping up our coverage all over the place. That's why right now we have Ken Harbaugh in Nuke, Greenland, and I'm so excited for the footage that he's going to be.

1:15:55Jordy Meiselas:And by the way, go to our sub stack right now at MidasPlus.com. Ken has written his first piece from on the ground in Greenland, and he's reporting what's going on there. And he was telling me earlier, I was texting with him. He goes, these people do not like Donald Trump. Let me tell you.

1:16:10Brett Meiselas:Ken's incredible, man. Ken goes to Ukraine. Ken goes to Green. Ken is like the best of the best.

1:16:17Jordy Meiselas:One of the things I respect about various reporters, and especially Ken, is Ken is, you know, he's audacious. And he sees danger, and he sees a crisis, and he wants to go there because he wants to make sure that people see what's actually happening. While most people's gut, probably a good instinct, is to get as far away as possible. Ken goes, I want to be right there. So in Ukraine, he goes there, he's on the front lines with the Ukrainian military as they're shooting down drones, and he's helping them shoot down drones, and he's covering it all. And he's gotten some incredible footage. And by the way, we have a lot of footage from the front lines of Ukraine.

1:16:54Jordy Meiselas:We're working on a release for that, so stay tuned for more information there. But this footage is mind-blowing. When I saw it, man, you know, if Ken showed me it in real time, I would have been like, dude, like, I'm not sure I would have allowed him to go on the trip. But like, it's mind blowing. And now he's there in Greenland. He says that everybody hates Donald Trump. He has an incredible essay, his first essay that he released. And we're going to be working on something with Ken also called Midas Defense to further expand the network. And Midas Defense is going to be, we're going to bring on the top experts, foreign policy experts, national security experts in the entire world.

1:17:29Jordy Meiselas:And they are going to be speaking to all of these issues on our sub stack and YouTube videos, on social media, all of it. We're just trying to assemble basically the super team of people who actually have knowledge. Because while there are so many networks right now, CBS, who are like, we don't need experts. We just want to know what average MAGA in the diner wants to hear about. And we're going to do that. No, I think we want to hear from the experts, actually.

1:17:53Brett Meiselas:CBS's first order of business was downplaying experts. It's like, maybe... Yeah, for too long, we've relied on experts. That's not people's issue with the news. We talk about that though, Brett. I know we're wrapping up here, but like the MAGA regime talking point, just denouncing experts, people who are experts in the field, advocates going after the word advocate. It's really, you know, it's beyond anything.

1:18:17Jordy Meiselas:And it's all been in order to set the stage for this moment, right? It's been order to set the stage. They could kill somebody and somebody says that was wrong and here's why. And they go, I don't have to listen to you. Nope. Or a measles outbreak is hitting the country as it is right now. And we're already on pace through this month of January. over 416 measles cases already throughout the country, which is on pace to blow away records of measles cases in decades and decades and decades and decades, all because of Donald Trump. And they go, well, you don't have to listen to the experts. We got RFK.

1:18:45Jordy Meiselas:What are you gonna do about it? What are we doing here, people? What are we doing here? But stay strong. I think shining a light on this stuff, like I said, it was a turning point moment this weekend, a turning point. That doesn't happen on its own. It happens because of pressure. It happens because of us documenting this. It happens because of people like you speaking out, you calling your representatives. The fact that we already saw some of these representatives who voted for this additional DHS funding to say, I screwed up. It was a failure of mine. And I want to make this up to my constituents because I failed and I hear your voices.

1:19:20Jordy Meiselas:That's the power of this network. That's the power of you. I want to also give a shout out again to Aaron Parnas with the Parnas Perspective podcast, already crushing it, already taking over the podcast charts by storm. You see here number four of all.

1:19:34Brett Meiselas:Apple charts right now, Parnas. Let's go, buddy.

1:19:37Jordy Meiselas:Parnas Perspective right now, head of Joe Rogan, head of a whole lot of shows. I mean, he's number four overall right now. Incredible. Incredible, incredible, incredible. Let's keep that momentum going. Add that. Leave a five-star review. Add the Midas Touch podcast. Leave a five-star review on Apple Podcasts, on Spotify, wherever you listen to podcasts. It helps more than you know. Make sure to check us out on Substack, see Ken's latest post, and so much more. We're going to have a lot of great guest pieces coming. I'm really excited. We're really just trying to continuously elevate the game and up the game as to what this is.

1:20:08Jordy Meiselas:We listen to your feedback and we try to implement that every single day. A shout out to our DC Bureau, our entire team of editors and producers, our editorial staff, Status Koo, who's on the ground in Minneapolis recording every single day also, like Ken, going to the front lines, going to the scenes, and getting that footage that the Trump regime does not want you to see. So shout out to them. and shout out to you, the Midas Mighty, for hanging in there. Even when times get tough, they rely on you to give up. And so the fact that you stay, that you persevere, that you remain in this fight, it does more than you could even know.

1:20:40Jordy Meiselas:So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. It's been great hanging with the brothers. It's been great hanging with Ben until he got kicked out by squatting in a classroom.

1:20:52Brett Meiselas:Never met a room he didn't like getting kicked out of.

1:20:55Jordy Meiselas:I'll just say this for a second. There was a moment early in the Midas Touch podcast. in the early days where Ben literally was in a stairwell recording. That was our dedication to this project. And Ben got kicked out of a stairwell. And this reminded it was a throwback to Ben getting kicked out of. Do you remember Ben getting kicked out of the stairwell?

1:21:08Brett Meiselas:Yeah, but Ben got like removed by security that episode. The only slight difference.

1:21:13Jordy Meiselas:Yeah, yeah. I see some people in the comments who remember. You guys are OGs. Y 'all are OGs if you remember that. All right. No, thank you so much. I'm going to stop rambling. Sincerely, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Everybody braving the cold. Please stay warm. Jordy, take it away.

1:21:26Brett Meiselas:Shout out to the Midas Mighty.

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