MeidasTouch Full Podcast - 10/17/25

21:11Brett Meiselas:But I was so one eighth of 1%. Now I'm getting them down, Maria, 500, 600, 800%. In some cases, even more than that, it's hard to believe. But I was proud. I said, oh, wow, I'm the first one. One eighth of 1%.

21:26Ben Meiselas:And I was proud. I don't even know what he means, but one eighth of 1%, what is it? One eighth of 1%. What are you talking about? What Trump promised back in May, again, not too long ago, although perhaps it feels like an eternity ago. I remember we were in New York brothers for the podcast awards for the Webby's. That's why I remember getting the notification. Trump announced, there was two announcements. One, do you remember one announcement was a deal with China? Everyone's like, oh my God, they did the greatest deal with China. Okay. Well, how's that worked out right now? Okay. We'll talk about that a little bit later in the show.

21:58Ben Meiselas:Not too good. Our farmers are going through farmageddon right now. And as Trump even said during the press conference yesterday, we're in a total trade war with them. And then Trump announced most favored nations that the American pharmaceuticals would be as cheap as the cheapest pharmaceutical that that company charges in another country. So if Canada was able to get the price down to one buck for drug X, that drug would cost one buck here in the United States. That hasn't happened. These are just fake. These are fake Mark Burnett apprentice style fraudy events that aren't real. And this house of cards is falling apart before our very eyes because it's untethered from the reality.

22:41Ben Meiselas:He didn't solve eight wars. We're not bringing in 20 trillion. Prescription drug prices aren't being reduced by 800%. We're not bringing in all this money from tariffs. We're not winning the trade war against the world. Americans are not living in a golden age. This is real stuff that we need to be calling out. And the media just ignores it, Brett, Jory.

23:08Jordy Meiselas:Yeah. And as you said, part of the whole scam with this one in particular, I do want to go back to it, but I don't want to just gloss over it, is the fact that once again, Donald Trump is finding ways to line his pocket using the government. This whole announcement is also kind of funneling money into the hands of his advisors and into people like Donald Trump Jr. And I pulled up before I'll I just want to focus on it one more time. It is this Wall Street Journal article that Don Jr. and Howard Lutnick stand to benefit from what what Trump is doing here. You can see it here. Trump wants to overhaul drug sales.

23:42Jordy Meiselas:A company tied to his son stands to benefit. Family members of Donald Trump and Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick are poised to benefit from efforts to remake the industry. And so as part of what this whole kind of healthcare scheme that Donald Trump is doing right now that he calls Trump Rx is he is basically funneling people to this other private company called Blink Rx. That's like the partner they're using for all of this. And who is the investment firm that funded Blink Rx? It's Donald Trump's investment firm. I think it's called like 1789 Capital or something like that. Donald Trump Jr. is a partner on the board of that investment firm who sits as a board member of BlinkRx, which is what TrumpRx is using for all this stuff.

24:25Jordy Meiselas:If you guess Donald Trump Jr. sits as the board member on BlinkRx, you'd be right. And you could go now with Howard Lutnick. After Lutnick became commerce secretary, his children took control of his firm, Cantor Fitzgerald, which is now profiting from a$500 million SPAC, which is tied to Donald Trump's push to bring drug manufacturing to the US. And this whole push that Donald Trump is doing with BlinkRx stands to boost the financial interests of his entire family directly tied into it. And so you just see how this works in everything Donald Trump is doing. You realize, oh, he's not doing this to benefit people.

25:04Jordy Meiselas:He's doing this to benefit his own family or his own cronies. It's the stuff you see in Soviet dictatorships. And I think that's something we're probably going to be going back to a lot in this episode and other episodes as we see what the

25:15Brett Meiselas:trump administration is doing the trump the trump grift just continues on it's grift is almost a like too nice of a word at this like it's just it's thievery and his kids are benefiting he's benefiting if anyone else had ever used the position that was the president of the united States to benefit financially in this way, the outrage from all media, independent media, corporate media, rightfully so, would be holding their feet to the fire. So I just posed the question, corporate media, you heard what Brett just said. He laid that out beautifully. Great work, B. Why not? Why not you? Where are you here right now?

25:56Brett Meiselas:And you know what? We don't need you as the collective we here. It's disappointing that you're no longer doing your jobs. But hey, that's why we're here. And that's where we are going to continue to hold Donald Trump's feet to the fire every instance, every step of the way, Ben.

26:11Ben Meiselas:Let's take our first quick break of the show. We've got a lot to discuss. When we get back, we'll talk about the ruling from the Federal Appeals Court in Illinois, the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals. John Bolton has issued a statement in response to being indicted, regardless of what your views are about Bolton. I think it's a powerful statement and certainly does not deserve what's happening. We'll talk about no kings. We'll talk about what happened in California. We'll talk about the deal in the Middle East falling apart because it wasn't really a deal to begin with. That and more. We'll take our first quick break of the show.

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30:54Brett Meiselas:And you guys, Benji, where to next?

30:57Ben Meiselas:So America currently has troops in Israel right now. No. Hamas, meanwhile, is refusing to disarm, actually says, we're never going to disarm from the outset. Then you have Israel saying, well, we're going to make sure we blow up all the Hamas tunnels and Netanyahu and Smutrich don't support a two-state solution. Smutrich says, we're going to make more Jewish settlements. In Gaza, 24 Palestinians have been killed during this purported ceasefire. I guess, let me just repeat that again. Like 24 Palestinians have been killed during this purportance. What kind of ceasefire is that for 24 people? We know of have been killed.

31:40Ben Meiselas:And to me, it's just one of these other Trump fugazis, right? It's just, you know, like it's a good thing that the hostages were returned. The idea of a ceasefire is good in concept, but it'd be very easy for Biden or Obama or anybody to make deals that aren't real. Okay, we got a deal. You want a deal? Deal? Deal? You got a deal? I got a deal? You want a deal? Deal? Deal? Deal? I mean, Hamas and Israel didn't sign the document. Isn't that the most basic way a deal is supposed to work? To me, what I like to do in our coverage of everything is I just like to pull back because I like things discussed very simply.

32:20Ben Meiselas:When we talk about Trump's trade war against the world and the fact that Trump and his – remember him and his regime said they would do 90 deals in 90 days. Well, if you listen to the coverage, people will be like, well, you did eight deals, but you didn't do 90 deals. I'm like, he didn't do eight deals. I guess he did. No, he didn't. He didn't do eight deals. He sent out social media posts. There's no binding deal. There's no document between country A and the United States with signatures that are binding, that forces Japan to give$550 billion or South Korea to give$350 billion or the EU to give, you know, 700 billion.

32:56Ben Meiselas:There's no binding aspect. It's not a real deal. These are fake deals. You know, so to me, I like to ask the basic question, did the parties sign it? Right. I mean, how's that question not asked? So that's how, you know, in the trade deals, Israel and Hamas didn't sign the document. It's a pretty big freaking situation when they don't, I was going to say a big deal, but it's not a deal when they don't sign the thing to begin with. and then Donald Trump was out there saying, he used to be said earlier this week, I'm good with Hamas patrolling. They just got to behave. I'm good. What does that even mean?

33:31Ben Meiselas:They've got to behave. You're speaking to Hamas. You want them to patrol? What are we even talking about here? So then when we'll talk about the shutdown in a little bit, I like to be very basic with that assessment too. I like to keep it simple. Are the parties speaking to each other? Democrats, Republicans? No. Why? because Maga Mike says he doesn't want to talk to them. Like, what do you mean he doesn't want to talk to me? He doesn't want to talk to them. He thinks that he has no obligation in the American form of government of speaking to the other political parties. AOC had a great line. She's like, did they watch Schoolhouse Rocks?

34:04Ben Meiselas:Like parties supposed to, that's the way our system works. So when one party's like, we're not talking to you, na, na, na, na, na, we're not talking. Donald Trump said, don't talk to you. It's like, okay, well, you can't do deals with these people. What are you doing? How are you supposed to get things done in America? I guess that's how it works in North Korea, but in America, the parties are supposed to speak. So to me, I like to break it down simple. So Trump's asked by a reporter, so did you mean that US forces would go in and take out Hamas? Because you have these troops here. And you made a social media post today where you said, Hamas, if Hamas continues to kill people in Gaza, which was not the deal, we will have no choice but to go in and kill them thank you for your attention to this matter i mean what a ridiculous thing to post on social media too but here he was asked this question let's play

34:52Jordy Meiselas:mr president um previously you did not seem to be bothered uh regarding hamas tracking cracking down

35:01Brett Meiselas:on uh what you called um uh correct games actually a couple of games and today you issued a threat against Hamas on true social. What has changed? And what was said? Go ahead. You said if they continue killing, keep killing innocents in Gaza, that if that continues, the United States will go after them. I know, I should do a strong statement. That's right. They used to be gangs, and now you're saying innocents. What made you think they're innocents now? Well, I'm looking at what's happening, and that wasn't the deal that was made, and we'll see what happens. It's calmed down. It's a tough neighborhood.

35:41Brett Meiselas:We know that. We have a commitment from them, and I assume they're going to honor that commitment. I hope they do. And I know I understand they brought back some additional bodies today. It's a rough deal when you think of it, right? Very rough. We have our hostages back completely. We were very lucky with that. but it's a tough situation. They brought back bodies today, as you probably know, but they also said they're going to behave. We're going to find out if they behave. If they behave good, if they don't behave, we'll take care of it. Yeah, please. Calling up on that, Mr. President. I didn't say you.

36:21Brett Meiselas:Mr. President. You see an end.

36:22Ben Meiselas:Fake news. Go ahead. So ridiculous. Stephen, watch that. If they behave, that's how he's talking. Hamas, if you behave, you must behave good. I mean, what are we even watching here?

36:35Jordy Meiselas:I didn't even understand what he was saying the other day, you know, which you brought up earlier, but when he was like, oh yeah, no, Hamas, they do what they want. I trust them. They're going to do great. They're going to, they patrol the areas. They're going to get rid of all those bad gangs. Like, like what do you, like why are you hyping Hamas? Like he, he does this oftentimes for these groups and it's just like a totally bizarre thing to see a president of the United States do. And it's like, of course they're not. And some of the things that we've seen Hamas doing in recent days. They've immediately filled the power vacuum and they are doing all of these executions of people in the street, some of the most horrific footage I have ever seen.

37:10Jordy Meiselas:Trump's response is just to say, well, I hope they behave. It's just absurd, but that's what happens when you're more concerned about trying to win a Nobel Peace Prize than actually trying to bring peace to the region. You do a whole kind of rush job. You force people to just move ahead when you actually don't have any plan. Like Ben said, I'm thrilled and I've said how ecstatic I am to see the hostages back and all that. But to see still people dying, fighting happening, Hamas killing innocent people, it's just absolutely just grotesque to be watching.

37:46Brett Meiselas:Well, that's why I urged on the show on Monday when I said this deal is fragile, fragile. And our biggest concern, our collective the brother's biggest concern was what does the phase two of this look like because it doesn't seem like there's been any thought put into it and that's just that once again being verified the longer now and and when these days pass can we also just quickly talk about how weird it is just that last little section of that clip when donald trump goes oh no not you cnn fake news not that i'm trying to defend cnn here but i'm just making a larger point could you imagine if everybody's favorite game.

38:21Brett Meiselas:Imagine if Biden did it. But in this context, imagine if Obama did it. Imagine if Obama was fielding a question from Fox News or a whole gaggle of reporters. And he looked over and he saw Peter Doocy there raise his hand and he said, not you, Fox News, fake news. Could you imagine the outrage? Could you imagine the outrage? And yet, once again, let it slide. It's just Donnie being Donnie, y 'all. I mean, it just, it grinds my gears there, Benji.

38:50Ben Meiselas:I couldn't agree more with you, Jordy. This is what Trump said about Senator Thune. Senator Thune says that we need to put sanctions on Russia. Today was supposed to be one of those other two weeks where Donald Trump says sanctions on Russia and potentially the US giving long range weapons to Ukraine. But Trump spoke with Putin, then Trump's like, this was the greatest conversation. It's so productive. Putin made me all of these promises. It's just Trump is so thirsty for the theater of a deal that he just wants to announce deal. No matter how, no matter what the outcome actually is, he just wants to say deal.

39:29Ben Meiselas:Look, I did a deal. Deal. It's weird. It's weird behavior. So the reporter says, look, the Senate Republican leader, Thune, said he would like to proceed with a bill to put sanctions on Russia. Wasn't that what this week is supposed to be about? Let's watch Trump's response. Let's play it. Not surprised. Yeah, please.

39:46Brett Meiselas:Thank you. So Senate Majority Leader John Foon today said he'd like to proceed with the bill which would put sanctions on Russia. What's your thought on that? Well, we're going to see. He doesn't know about the call yet. I'm going to speak to him later. And it was subject to what I wanted to do. And so we'll see what happens. We may have this may be such a productive call that we're going to end up. We want to get peace. We want to stop the killing. 7 ,000 people a week. Can you believe it? We want to stop the killing. So I'm going to speak to him and the speaker, Mike Johnson.

40:25Ben Meiselas:Well, good to know that Mike, Maga Mike and Thune are doing something. Apparently they're not refusing to speak to Democrats. I'm being facetious, of course. What about the tomahawks? Wasn't this week going to be the big announcement that America was going to provide tomahawks and other support to Ukraine? So Trump was asked about the tomahawks. And Trump's like, yeah, but we need those here. So not really sure what I can do with those. And that's because he had the call with Putin. And then this is what always happens. And then he adopts Putin's framing of the issue. And then we're in this constant spiral.

40:59Ben Meiselas:Here, play this clip.

41:00Jordy Meiselas:Tell them about the tomahawks. Did you discuss the tomahawk missiles? Did you discuss them?

41:04Brett Meiselas:Well, we talked about it a little bit. Didn't say much, but I do say to you, you know, we need tomahawks for the United States of America, too. We have a lot of them, but we need them. I mean, we can't deplete for our country. So, you know, they're very vital. They're very powerful. They're very accurate. They're very good. But we need them too. So I don't know what we can do about that.

41:29Ben Meiselas:We need them too. We need them. Dude, he's not even saying actual intelligence. There's nothing that's coherent about what this guy is even saying. Just admit it. You're never going to give Ukraine what's needed. This is all one again. It's just one big Ponzi scheme over and over again, two weeks, two weeks, two weeks, two weeks. And then he leaves, destroys everything. Somebody's got to fix it. And then they do what they do best, blame the person who has to actually clean up the mess that was created by all of these frauds that were injected into the United States of America. It's just absolutely, absolutely ridiculous.

42:11Jordy Meiselas:Same pattern we always see, right, too, Ben. The last person he speaks to determines all of his beliefs. I think Caroline Levitt today said that he spoke with Vladimir Putin for over two hours today. Then he got off that call, and all of a sudden, he was back to being like Mr. Pro-Russia, not doing sanctions, not giving tomahawks to Ukraine, because Putin knew that Trump was starting to shift his stance a little bit, and he was starting to speak about giving tomahawks to Ukraine. He was starting to speak about sanctioning Russia. So Putin just calls up, flatters him a little bit, says, hey, we could probably meet me and you, part two, go on another date, Donald.

42:48Jordy Meiselas:And he falls for it, hook, line, and sinker every time. It's the same pattern we see. And I bet if he spoke to Zelensky tomorrow, actually, it's too fresh to the Putin conversation. You might have another oval office kind of confrontation. But there's a world where he speaks to him and then he changes his mind once again, because that's kind of how he, that's how he views the world. He's like, he's like a dog who has like, you know, memory that only lasts for like 30 seconds.

43:14Ben Meiselas:I think the important point is what you just said, though. He's meeting with Zelensky tomorrow. In many ways, though, I actually think it's not great timing because it's right after the Putin talk and Trump's still going to be feasting off the Putin talking points. So I'll focus on what's going to happen there. But if I was betting knowing Trump's psychology, I think it's not going to be a good meeting. And I say that because Trump seems to be emboldened by believing that he actually just brought peace to the Middle East, which he did not do. And I think he's going to go there and try to intimidate Zelensky in a way that I don't think people are.

43:56Ben Meiselas:We'll see if I'm right or wrong, but I think I'm right about that one. I think I have a good sense of his pathology. When we get back, I want to talk about John Bolton's response to being indicted by the Trump regime. Judge Theodore Chang, an Obama appointee, the judge who's been assigned to the case, that was the judge that was selected at random in the district court in Maryland. We'll talk about what happened in Illinois, where the appeals court there blocked the troops, affirmed the lower court's ruling, affirmed Judge Perry's ruling. So if you're keeping track, you had the Trump-appointed judge in Portland ruling against Trump, and now a Trump-appointed appeals court judge ruled against Trump as well, after affirming what Judge Perry, the lower court judge, did.

44:45Ben Meiselas:We'll take our last quick break of the show. We'll talk more about the government shut down. We'll talk about a lot, lots more to discuss. Hit subscribe. Let's get to 6 million. And also, if you can, become a member of our YouTube channel and gift memberships to others who may not be able to afford memberships during these difficult times. It's a great way to help others in the community by gifting them memberships so they can access the bonus features like the exclusive podcast they do with Ron Filipkowski for members. Anyway, take our last quick break of the show.

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50:02Ben Meiselas:after being indicted in the district court in Maryland. He goes, For four decades I've devoted my life to America's foreign policy and national security. I would never compromise those goals. I tried to do that during my tenure in the first Trump administration, but resigned when it became impossible to do so. Donald Trump's retribution against me began, then continued when he tried unsuccessfully to block the publication of my book, The Room Where It Happened, before the 2020 election and became one of his rallying cries in his re-election campaign. Now I have become the latest target in weaponizing the Justice Department to charge those he deems to be enemies with charges that were declined before or distort the facts.

50:41Ben Meiselas:My book was reviewed and approved by the appropriate experience career clearance officials. When my email was hacked in 2021, the FBI was made fully aware. In four years of the prior administration after these reviews, no charges were ever filed. Then came Trump too, who embodies what Joseph Stalin's head of secret police once said, you show me the man, I'll show you the crime. These charges are not just about his focus on me or my diaries, but his intensive effort to intimidate his opponents, to ensure that he alone determines what is said about his conduct. Dissent and disagreement are foundational to America's constitutional system and vitally important to our freedom.

51:18Ben Meiselas:I look forward to the fight to defend my lawful conduct and to expose his abuse of power. And then as I noted, the judge who was assigned the case is Judge Theodore Chang, an Obama appointee who earlier this year issued one of the most sweeping rulings against Doge. I think that's an important fact to point out there. We'll keep you posted with more. Also important to note that the military commander overseeing the pentagons escalating attacks against the boats in the caribbean sea donald trump shooting these uh fishing boats tiny fishing boats uh war crimes let's call them what it is um that the trump regime is saying smuggling drugs that commander stepping down three of three u.s officials said on thursday the officer admiral alvin holsey is leaving his job as head of the u.s southern command which oversees all operations in Central and South America.

52:13Ben Meiselas:The reporting goes on to say that it's unclear why Admiral Halsey is leaving now, less than a year into his tenure, and in the midst of the biggest operation in his 37-year career. May I offer a guess that he likely believes that they're committing war crimes, and he doesn't want in the future to be charged with war crimes. I'm going to go out on a stretch and make that guess right there. A leap. A wild leap, if you will. But perhaps you can say that I'm rage baiting by suggesting that blowing up tiny fishing boats of Colombian and Venezuelan origin without any evidence is a war crime. U.S. B-52s and helicopters fly near Venezuela also in show of threats.

53:01Ben Meiselas:The Trump administration is increasing U.S. military pressure on the Maduro regime as well. Another potential war can break out there as well. One of the things that we just learned today, moments before we went live, Phil Stewart, national security correspondent, one of the many who were not signing the pact that was required by the Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth, that he would have to approve all of these reports. Phil Stewart's a longtime national security correspondent, but he got a scoop. I think we'll see more leaks than ever as a result of the behavior. And I'm not sure there's a coincidence between this and other resignations, but who knows?

53:48Ben Meiselas:Another U.S. military strike in the Caribbean just took place. And this time there are survivors. The strike happened today. Phil Stewart says he is getting details. This is one of those stories that's so obviously a war crime that people who are involved in these war crimes, I think one day will be tried for murder. I think we will look back at this and it will be obvious that Trump's been just killing innocent people. I don't think it's a far stretch to come to that conclusion. Fentanyl is not getting into the united states via these means in any grand scale it's coming in basically through mexico and then mexico at certain ports of entry um uh through tunnels and other means you know trump's world view is like 1980s on things and so like i guess in his mind he's got like the tony montana like fishing boats for like coming in like they don't even have the fuel capacity to get to the united states these things how do you know there are innocent people aboard why wouldn't you just If you're able to shoot it down, you can interdict.

54:55But I think we'll find out soon that these are innocent people just being slaughtered

55:02Ben Meiselas:every day by the Trump regime. It's horrible stuff.

55:05Jordy Meiselas:Yeah. And it's crazy when you look at just the state of the Pentagon, as you noted. And I do got to actually, I got to give a huge shout out and actually send a lot of respect to all the corporate media channels who banded together and decided, no, we're not going to play this game. and kind of the last one that I was really curious about. And the two, I would say the two that really surprised me in a good way was Newsmax and Fox News. I was stunned. I was stunned at Newsmax because I don't view Newsmax as like a real channel. I view it as like a MAGA propaganda channel, just like OAN. But Newsmax and Fox, they joined all the other mainstream networks, you know, PBS, CNN, NBC, you know, Reuters, you name it.

55:46Jordy Meiselas:I go down the whole list of saying we're not signing this kind of loyalty pledge that Pete Hegseth wants us to sign. Pete Hegseth essentially was saying that you're not allowed to report on unauthorized things that we don't want you to report on, and you have to run all of that by the Pentagon first, essentially criminalizing reporting of any leaks or anything like that. It's just so against the First Amendment, so against what the Fourth Estate is about. Thankfully, all of those corporations came together and they said, absolutely not. We're not signing that. The only people who ended up signing this and now have Pentagon access.

56:22Jordy Meiselas:When you look through this list, it's kind of horrifying. The Federalist, the Epic Epoch Times, however you say it, OAN, a Turkish newspaper, another Turkish state-run news agency, two Turkish freelancers, a reporter for the Australian and Afghan freelancer, and then three lesser-known operations, including India Globe, USA Journal, Korea, awps news so now like only these foreign entities including for whatever reason like a ton of turkish stations have access to the pentagon to report on the pentagon on pentagon approved stories like the whole thing is just so bizarre and when we see you know we can look at what the trump regime is doing all over the world and it's clear that they are very interventionalist even though they try to act like they are isolationalist and that they are america first that's the whole thing they do We learned in a story that they are, that Trump has given the green light for covert CIA operations in Venezuela, including the authorization for lethal force against the Maduro regime.

57:22Jordy Meiselas:So we're trying to do regime change now. Now, I want to be clear. I ain't no Maduro fan. I don't view him as a legitimate guy. But I don't think Trump sold regime change as part of this America First agenda that he was putting on the American people. As Ben mentioned, we're flying military helicopters and planes over Venezuela. in a show of force. That's a, by the way, a phrase that you're going to hear a lot with Donald Trump. I mean, hey, Donald Trump did a show of force on top of the Epstein survivors. If you remember when the Epstein survivors were doing a rally in Washington, DC, he flew jets right over them.

57:56Jordy Meiselas:And then he used the excuse that he was doing that because they were foreign dignitaries in the White House. This is Donald Trump's MO. He does the same moves every single time we see him. Like, I don't know why this is a shock. And I do want to talk about our exclusive reporting as well about California. But we should get a little more into this, I think, because Donald Trump was asked, in fact, about all these plans for the CIA and whatnot. I just want to hear, I want you to hear how Donald Trump answered this question about covert CIA. There's supposed to be secret covert CIA operations that were reported that no one's supposed to know about, but drip, drip, drip.

58:35Jordy Meiselas:The New York Times certainly found out about them. I believe they were the ones who were to report on this. And Trump was asked about it. And he said this. Thank you.

58:42Ben Meiselas:I'm curious. Why did you authorize the CIA to go into Venezuela? And is there more information you can share about these strikes on the alleged? Well, I can't do that.

58:52Brett Meiselas:I authorized for two reasons, really. Number one, they have emptied their prisons into the United States of America.

58:59Ben Meiselas:They came in through the well, they came in through the border. They came. By the way, did you see when the reporter knew what he was doing? with that question, right? The way he asked the question was already accepting that Donald Trump did it to get Trump to embrace it versus saying, did you? So why did you do it as though it was a foregone conclusion? And then if you go back and you can rewind it for those watching that video, the reporter recognized that Trump acknowledged and he did a little like nod with his head, like, yeah, like you thank you. Like you just confirmed, like, that's why I set up the question that way.

59:37Ben Meiselas:And it was the right question, but the right answer is supposed to be, look, we don't comment on any covert operations. We can't comment on that at this time. Next question. How difficult is that to do that? And think about though now, if that's taking place, is he now putting our cia agents at risk is it now an open invitation for venezuela to then say all right well let's have kgb agents in and let's you know like like who knows the ramifications of how reckless he is um as reckless and that's the issue though right when you're not cognitively

1:00:19Brett Meiselas:all there like i'm not saying that to be hyperbolic here like we're all witnessing this in real time what's going on like you know that stupid trick when you ask someone hey you got some sup dog on your shirt and you go what's up dog like i feel like he he would parrot that like he would fall for that and have no idea what's going on like it's scary ben because you're right who knows what he's saying to vladimir putin when he's having these two hour long conversations that's a long time to be on the phone i don't think i've ever been on the phone for two hours with anybody i could only imagine what's being said on that or what or what putin's trying to bait and get out of Donald Trump on that and who's in the room there to kind of help keep him, Trump, from spilling all the secrets.

1:00:57Brett Meiselas:It's a scary thing when you do look at it from that perspective, Ben.

1:01:01Ben Meiselas:Yeah. Well, let's talk though about the government shutdown right now. I think it's important that we hit on it. MAGA Mike Johnson was asked, where's this heading? You're not speaking to Democrats. You're not having conversations with the Democrats. Government shut down. There's no end in sight. How does this end, Magamike? And watch what his response is. Let's play this clip.

1:01:27Brett Meiselas:And so many of you have asked all of us, how will it end? We have no idea. It's up to the Democrats, and they have to decide it. And judging by their outrageous behavior, the Democrats appear perfectly happy to keep the political theater going while real people suffer.

1:01:43Ben Meiselas:I mean, what a horrible thing to say. And how do you not, in the American form of government, speak to the other side when you need their votes and you need their support? Your Democrats are fighting for people's healthcare because people's ACA premiums are about to skyrocket. People are about to get kicked off Medicaid, about to get kicked off healthcare. The Republicans, they've been directed by Donald Trump in the House, do not have any conversations with Democrats, let alone negotiate. You're not allowed to speak to them. So if that's your behavior, then fundamentally the American experiment is over, right?

1:02:20Ben Meiselas:The game is over of how we interact in a democracy because it requires compromise. How did Biden keep the government open? He brought in McCarthy to his office and he said, what do you need? Okay, let me help this state. Let me help that state. That's how the sausage is made. You want this, we want this, everybody happy, everybody a little disappointed. That's an actual deal. Great. But this behavior by Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans just saying, we're not talking to the other side. I mean, that's just, that behavior is not American. That's not what we're used to having. Normally in a shutdown, the parties would be rolling up their sleeves, talking to each other.

1:02:58Ben Meiselas:Do we have the clip, Brett, where MAGA Mike was asked on Fox, will you agree to debate? I think we have this clip. Will you agree to debate Hakeem Jeffries because you had indicated and C-SPAN published that you were willing to go on C-SPAN and MAGA Mike and Hakeem Jeffries were going to talk to each other in public?

1:03:18Jordy Meiselas:This was big because Hakeem threw down the gauntlet on the Midas Touch podcast saying, come on, MAGA Mike, you want to do this thing? Let's open the government. Let's debate this. Let's hash it out. Hakeem made the challenge. And so when I woke up and I saw the news that Maga Mike had agreed to the debate. I was like, really? I'm stunned. Okay, let's see this happen. I want to see this, get the cameras in there. And then Mike Johnson was asked about it just a few hours later after the headlines ran. And he said this. Your reaction to that, as I also note

1:03:52Brett Meiselas:that just came across our desk, Mr. Speaker, that you have agreed to a debate with Jeffries on C-SPAN at an unknown date and time. Is that true? the i'll debate hakeem jeffries anywhere anytime as soon as we get the government open he's engaging in political theater and stating absurd things what he just said is absurd it is the democrats who voted to shut the government down look at the record the debate is to the debate is to keep the

1:04:17Jordy Meiselas:government open like you're going to keep the government open and then debate how does that make it the debate's about the shutdown what the hell are you talking about and i just like how

1:04:26Brett Meiselas:johnson keeps going uh talking about this political theater when he is quite literally johnson engaging in political theater look we're we're on day 16 of the government shutdown when audio listeners get this we'll be on day 17 that's how counting works there's no end in sight and ben to your point it's because donald trump doesn't want it to end and i saw the staff from ron philip kowski editor-in-chief here at the myest touch network that mike johnson has now also had the house adjourned for 73 out of the last 85 days that's a crazy stat that's a crazy friggin stat when you look at these numbers next to each other there is no other conclusion i could draw anybody can draw other than the fact that these republican politicians do not actually want to work especially for you the american people period the republican party has proven once again that if you give them power if you give them control they don't work for your answer to you they only answer to one person and that is their dear leader donald trump trump says jump they say how high.

1:05:25Brett Meiselas:You say you need healthcare? They say no. You say you want the Epstein files released? They cover their ears and eyes and they don't show up to work. So this whole thing to me is just so frustrating on every single level because their hypocrisy just knows no bounds.

1:05:44Ben Meiselas:In the past 85 days, another way to frame it, the Republicans have only worked 12 days out of 85 days. Just think about in your life, just working 12 days of 85 during the most crucial moments as well. Imagine that's when you're like, I need my vacation. An accountant during tax season, right? That's when you're like, you know what? I'm going to take my vacation right now. The three months leading up to tax season to tax season, that's when I'm taking my break. It's like, that's when you're taking your break. I mean, how irresponsible, what malpractice is that? Like, what, what, what disdain for this country does it show?

1:06:24Ben Meiselas:And I think that the way AOC is talking about this is how every Democrat should be talking about this, how we're talking, we've been talking about it as well. Like, which is they're not even, these Republicans aren't even showing up to work. Like, how are you supposed to talk to people who refuse to talk to you in a system that's based on talking with each other and coming up with deals? Watch as AOC says it.

1:06:47Brett Meiselas:They need to pick up a phone. They're saying that they're doing all this work. They are twiddling their thumbs and talking to each other. They, they, it, it is actually an unconscionable abdication and refusal to work. They refuse. I've never seen people who hate working so much in my life. I mean, genuinely, they won't even pick up the phone. They won't. If I were Mike Johnson, you should be in that office negotiating with Hakeem Jeffries every damn day until we reopen this government.

1:07:24Jordy Meiselas:And any day that you don't do that is a failure. It is a failure. And until there is accountability for people who refuse to work, to work, then we're going to continue to be in this cycle.

1:07:39Brett Meiselas:So, you know, in the Senate, the Senate majority leader is John Thune. He should be negotiating with Chuck Schumer. President Trump should be having congressional leaders in the White House. Do you see that every day? No, you don't, because they're playing golf and they're going to Mar-a-Lago. And Republicans in the House have been on vacation for weeks now. We are here in Washington, D.C. We are ready to work. We are ready to strike a deal. We're not here to just be my way in the highway about everything. But what we're also not going to accept is the complete collapse of the American health care system.

1:08:15Brett Meiselas:So that just just because the Republican Party has decided to take a million federal workers hostage.

1:08:20Ben Meiselas:Pick up the damn phone. Exactly. To me, that's speak to each other. That when I was speaking to Leader Jeffries, to me, that was the biggest point that I wanted to get out of this interview, which is because our whole system is based on. That's the way democracy works, you know, in parliamentary systems. I like to cover what goes on in Canada a lot, right? Like you'll have the prime minister debate the main opposition leader. Like they go back and forth. It's not like, oh, theatrics. Then they'll have like the foreign minister speak to the shadow foreign people.

1:08:52Jordy Meiselas:It gets heated too in those parliament and parliament. Like it gets pretty nuts. I'd like to honestly like to see more of that sort of debate here, if I'm being honest.

1:09:01Ben Meiselas:Why would that be theatrics to get the facts out and to talk about it? Like it literally makes no sense. And I just hope the American people see what's happening just in terms of the most basic level. Like who's the one who shut down Congress? The Republicans, they control it. They're not working. They're not even there to discuss. And then ultimately why? Because Trump wants it shut down. Trump's been bragging, oh, I got rid of the Schumer programs, the Democrat program, which ones? $20 billion that was needed to help Manhattan. You really own the Dems on that one by hurting America's wealthiest city.

1:09:36Ben Meiselas:Great. The World Trade Center of the world in Manhattan, you've showed the Dems. Oh, you're going to cut healthcare, measles, mumps, rubella, investigate. Way to show the Dems. You've got rid of energy. They act like energy is the Democrat issue. Yes, you've got rid of solar projects. We saw Governor Shapiro filed the lawsuit on behalf of Pennsylvania because Trump thinks it's a Democrat issue to want energy that helps grids where we see all of these AI data centers and crypto data centers that are causing everybody's energy costs to skyrocket. And Trump's like, we got to go back to coal. Like we had a solution.

1:10:17Ben Meiselas:We had a bridge to deal with it. But idiot doesn't like windmills and doesn't like solar. So now we can't have the right energy. So everybody's energy prices are spiking. Before we go, though, let's just talk very briefly about the Midas Touch exclusive. We reported here before any other news network did that the Trump regime was planning this military event, this vanity parade where they would be potentially shooting missiles off the coast of San Diego Pacific Ocean into the Camp Pendleton region, that it would possibly then lead to the shutdown of the I-5. on Saturday, which is also the same time as the No Kings protest taking place.

1:11:02Ben Meiselas:Since we reported it, numerous other networks reported it as well. By the way, the Trump regime says, yes, they are using live munitions, but they claim this was regularly scheduled and that they're going to do the live munitions in contained zones, whatever the hell that contained zones regularly scheduled. And it's, by the way, Governor Newsom confirmed our reporting. And I just find it wild. And Brett, I'll pass it to you to chime in. We reported the data. The data was accurate. Live munitions are being fired. Now, Trump says it's going to be in contained zones and that it's regularly scheduled.

1:11:42Ben Meiselas:It's not regularly scheduled. They're claiming it's the 250th anniversary of the Marines. It's not. The 250th anniversary is November 10th. It's not October 18th. The first reference to this event taking place was last Friday where they mentioned it very briefly, but actual information started to trickle out, potentially like leaking yesterday for the very first time. And Midas Touch Network broke the story. Then Trump and the Marines said, no, no, this is regularly scheduled. And then like the fact checkers come in and they go, The Marines said it was regularly scheduled. The Trump said it was regularly scheduled.

1:12:21Ben Meiselas:Oh, it's like, why do you keep buying with Trump and his, you know that he lies about everything. So why are you saying, oh, Trump says this, the Marines say this. Why didn't they put out that? Why wouldn't they put out that press release months ago if it was regularly scheduled? Why did it come out after we broke the story? Why didn't they do events like this before? Why didn't the governor of California know about this if this was some regularly scheduled event? I mean, just ask yourself the most basic freaking question. And you think it's a coincidence that they all of a sudden decided to do this on Friday as they're rolling out their talking points, that no kings means no paychecks and no kings is pro-Hamas and pro-terrorists and all the other stupid defamatory lies they keep on.

1:13:04Ben Meiselas:Like, you think that they did not do it the same day as a show of force because Trump said, you know, And it's like, oh, a minus touch, you're doing the rage bait, which is reporting what the hell it was. And there actually isn't all that much that the Marines, when you break it down, said that's much different than our reporting. Other than them saying, no, this is a regularly scheduled thing. It's in contained zones, whatever the hell that means. And the governor doesn't know what the governor is worried about, too, is if this is by roads and there are weapons being shot by roads, even I should know as the governor so that we can keep people safe.

1:13:40Ben Meiselas:also because we don't know what this is. So, Brett, I'll let you take it from there. But, you know, that's that's a report.

1:13:45Jordy Meiselas:Yeah, no, we did. We did this exclusive report yesterday. And the reaction was certainly interesting because people saw that the Trump administration was planning on firing live munitions into Camp Pendleton. Yes, from warships into Camp Pendleton. But that's what they are considering doing this weekend and are shutting down the I-5 freeway, which is one of the biggest transportation pathways through the state of California in order to do so because they are shooting the missiles over the highway into Camp Pendleton. And to Ben's point, people were like, oh, this is rage bait. This is hyperbolic.

1:14:17Jordy Meiselas:How dare you say that? And then the LA Times confirms it. The San Francisco Chronicle confirms it. Washington Post confirms it. ABC, CBS, everybody under the sun confirms it. The governor confirms that he is working on, Governor Newsom, working on trying to mitigate these issues and trying to understand exactly what is going on because he's received reports about this, although the federal government is not, they have no like line of communication with the state anymore. They're like refusing to talk to them because they just want to dominate because they view blue states and they view their political opposition as the enemy.

1:14:50Jordy Meiselas:So as I said in the beginning, to bring this all full circle right now, you got to understand that anything is possible in this era of the Trump regime and nothing is beyond the bounds of reality. So when you see a story and it does, you know, seem outrageous, I like that your first instinct is to be like, is to second guess it, because we should all be trying to look for the facts. But when it's confirmed and double confirmed and triple confirmed, and you have the governor talking about it at a certain point, you've got to realize this stuff is real. And we're trying to warn you about issues the same way we tried to warn you about military on the streets, the same way years ago, we made a video that they were trying to overturn Roe v.

1:15:29Jordy Meiselas:Wade and people wrote all these nasty things about us and as the articles saying that we were fear mongering and all this stuff. Sometimes we're simply trying to sound the alarm and we're never going to go to print with a story, metaphorically print with a story unless it is extremely, extremely well vetted, well sourced and it has the accurate information because we are dealing with a regime that views you like this. Here's Caroline Levitt, the White House press secretary.

1:15:55Ben Meiselas:that the Democrat Party's main constituency are made up of Hamas terrorists, illegal aliens and violent criminals. That is who the Democrat Party is catering to, not the Trump administration and not the White House and not the Republican Party

1:16:09Brett Meiselas:who is standing up for law abiding Americans, not just across the country, but around the world.

1:16:15Jordy Meiselas:Listen, what a horrible human being Caroline Levitt is. What a despicable human being. And I think any government official who speaks like that should be as far away from government as possible. In any normal time period, that comment alone would get you fired. It would get you blacklisted from the entire world of politics. You would be persona non grata. But today, that is just another day in this regime. That's what they think of you. That's how they treat you. That's how they talk about you. It is absolutely grotesque. And so it's no surprise that they are targeting these No Kings protests protests and that they were trying to shut down the freeways in order to create these traffic jams and make it more difficult for people in the nation's like largest state here in California.

1:17:01Jordy Meiselas:And it's got, like I said, going back to like what Trump did when the Epstein survivors, uh, were rallying in Washington DC, he flew a plane over them. He does these stunts in order to try to intimidate people. But guess what this weekend, Saturday, October 18th, there are massive protests across the country. Go online, look it up. You will find a no Kings protest near you. If you can participate, go ahead and participate. We are going to be streaming some of these protests live on the Midas Touch YouTube channel. I'm so excited to see all of your signs. Remember to protest peacefully, protest patriotically.

1:17:36Jordy Meiselas:Do not give them any reason at all to try to start trouble. And you know that they want to try to start trouble. They will probably try to have agitators. They'll probably try to do everything they can. But this weekend, we are going to see one of the biggest, if not the biggest, mass mobilizations of Americans who love this country and hate what Donald Trump is doing to it. And they're going to be in the streets, fighting for their freedoms, fighting for the actual core values of this country, of which Donald Trump does not represent. So you should go into this weekend energized. eyes, you should go into it fired up.

1:18:12Jordy Meiselas:I'm so psyched to see all you out here. I'm so psyched to see all the photos. Remember to tag us in those photos, by the way. One of my favorite things that we do with all the protests is Ron Filipkowski on MidasPlus.com. He likes to compile his favorite signs, the funniest signs, the most powerful signs on our sub stack. So maybe your sign will be featured on MidasPlus.com. So make sure you tag us.

1:18:35Ben Meiselas:Midas sent me signs are always welcome. Midas sent me.

1:18:39Jordy Meiselas:Midas sent me signs. Always welcome. And I hear they are a big conversation starter too. When you have Midas on the sign or MTN on the sign, a lot of people go, it's like a club. I'll get inside club. Oh, you listen to them? Me too. Me too. And so check it out. This has been a great episode. We covered a whole lot. I feel like there's a whole lot we want to get to also still. We can do this for another couple hours, but at some point we got to call it. But don't you worry because right here on this YouTube channel and on the Midas Touch podcast feed, You'll have updates coming at you every single day from Ben, and it will keep you up to date on all the other news that happens.

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