MeidasTouch Full Podcast - 11/7/25

17:03Brett Meiselas:It's about the health of the job market. Steve Leisman joins us with the latest numbers from Challenger on job cuts. What's going on? Yeah, well, this is like a clue from like a cough or a sneeze or whatever, but announced corporate job cuts, Andrew, in the

17:15Ben Meiselas:The U.S. surging past 1 million so far this year with 153 ,000 new layoffs announced just in October, according to Challenger. That is the worst October since 2003. Here are the numbers. October up 153. That compares with September.

17:29Brett Meiselas:That's 100 ,000 more than September and 100 ,000 more than this time last year in October 2024. Andy Challenger commenting, some industries are correcting after the hiring move of the pandemic. but this comes as ai adoption softening consumer and corporate spending and rising cost drive belt tightening and hiring freezes announced layoffs don't always lead to actual cuts and could take place from attrition but the report puts in perspective what we've been reporting here day after day week after week series of marquee announcements unveiled in recent weeks

17:59Ben Meiselas:across u.s industries including ups amazon target among others paramount rivian all these companies there. Government has been responsible

18:07Brett Meiselas:year to date for$308 ,000. But look at that. Tech,$141 ,000. That could be where you see a lot of the AI. Maybe some in warehousing, but a big chunk of that's going to be UPS as well as potentially some hit from reduced flows of trade. Retail's up there as his service is at$64 ,000. You take out the doge cuts, the number's a bit better at$800 ,000, but still well above last year. Challenger doesn't see much in the way of hiring, saying

18:33Ben Meiselas:announcements are 35 % below last year, and they're skeptical about the number of new hires for the holiday season. One of the terms we hear being thrown around now because the economy is so bad is K-shaped growth or a K-shaped economy. You may have heard that term. What do they mean by K-shaped? Just think about the letter K, right? In the letter K, there's one line that goes straight up, and there's one line that goes straight down and then you have the vertical line, right? That's a K. So the line going up, all the billionaires, the billionaires are crushing it and they're doing better than ever.

19:10The line going down is basically the great recession

19:15Ben Meiselas:currently taking place or perhaps even a depression of regular Americans who are getting absolutely screwed right now. The people who can't afford rent, who can't afford their mortgage. They're lucky enough to be able to even take out a mortgage. They're the ones who are terrified that healthcare is being ripped away. They're on SNAP, Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program food stamps, psychologically tortured by what this regime is doing. Also, when you talk about 3 % year-over-year inflation, that's what 3 % means. You know, people toss around the number, oh, inflation's 3%. Like, what does that actually mean?

19:55Ben Meiselas:It means it's 3 % higher than last year. And so if it was 3 % higher the prior year, and if it was 6 % or 7 % higher the prior year and 4 % higher the prior year, what that means right now is it's 3 % higher than basically the cumulative total of what it was four or five years ago. So cumulatively over the past four or five years, that means inflation could be at 20 % higher, basically for people whose wages are not keeping pace with that, quite the contrary, who are being laid off from their jobs, whose wages are decreasing right now. And so I think that's an important point. Jordy, going back to the other data that's out there, which I think is important to address.

20:43Ben Meiselas:I interviewed Governor Shapiro of the Great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. And one of the things he pointed out is he goes, within Pennsylvania, there are these three bellwether counties, and one of them is like Bucks County, right, which is the swingiest county in the swingiest swing state, Bucks County, right? You take a look at every position from the judges, the DAs, the school boards, right? Massive shifts from red to blue from 2024 to the present. The same thing in their other swing districts. You look in Georgia where there were statewide elections. Massive swings from red to blue there.

21:21Ben Meiselas:You look in New Jersey, areas where Trump was able to shift voters, often in Latino areas, but other areas too, from blue to red. That shift went back to Mikey Sherrill, if not even more than existed before. You look at Virginia, 13 Republican House subdelegate seats. These are Republican seats, flipped blue, 13 of them. This is unheard of data that's out there. And then you look across the nation and you see other data points like that as well. So what we're fundamentally, and then you look at the school boards, which I think is a big deal as well. Those MAGA school boards, they're getting wiped out of the school boards.

22:07Ben Meiselas:All of the pee-pee, poopy patrol people and the kitty litter people, like all of that bombs of liberty, all that stuff, those book-burning people, they're getting pushed out and normal people are taking those roles. So that's what I mean. We follow the data. And I just think that there's a bigger story that needs to be told than what is even being told.

22:33Jordy Meiselas:Ben, that's not what Mike Johnson is telling me. Mike Johnson's getting out there every day. He's saying, we have nothing to be concerned about here at this peer party. We got nothing to be concerned about. These were just Democrats voting in Democrat elections and blue states. And we have, we just have nothing, nothing to worry about here. Do we folks? I mean, obviously just a blatant lie has been just went through the list. I mean, Democrats are breaking the super majority in Mississippi, Democrats winning in Georgia, Democrats winning in Pennsylvania, Democrats winning in Virginia. I mean, you could go through the list.

23:03Jordy Meiselas:They're sending a clear message right now. And when we see that economic data, you know, that we just presented from that CNBC report and all the other information we were talking about, I really don't realize, I don't think that people fully realize how bad the economy actually is right now, because it's been floated right now by all of this money. It's been floated by AI having a breakthrough. It's been floated by, honestly, kind of like a scammy, like stock market right now that is way overvalued. And you see all of this stuff and it just doesn't reflect what's actually happening on the ground.

23:35Jordy Meiselas:And like, I'll tell you this, there's a reason I'd like, I don't, this hasn't even been a big story, but to me, this is like one of the biggest financial stories out there right now that the fed has been forced to pump in something like$125 billion into the banks in the past week. They had to pump in all of this cash because the, the, the, their reserves are so low right now. They like barely have any reserves. And so right now the fed is getting really worried that they're not going to have enough money. And so they're funneling these emergency funds in there. And you don't do that when things are going great.

24:08Jordy Meiselas:So I think you see, you know, when they talk about when like people use the term and they're like, it's the money, they're turning on the money printer, the money printers on. Well, the money printer is at full blast right now in the Fed. And it's reflective of what's going on with the economy. And to me, what I'm looking at right here with that shellacking, this episode needs to be called the shellacking of Republicans. With that shellacking that the Republicans took, it's hard not to imagine that they right now are just holding their hands and praying to God that they're able to keep this economy afloat and keep the Ponzi scheme going just long enough to hand it off to the Democrats at a certain point and then pull the rug and let the whole thing drop because that's exactly what it's looking like.

24:50Jordy Meiselas:And hey, there's a historical precedent for it. I mean, look at what George W. Bush did, right? Look at what all these Republicans who take power do. It's kind of their mo it's it's it's what they do they pump up the economy with good vibes and all their bullshit and then they destroy it because they're chasing this this candy rush this candy high and which is actually horrible for the economy and the economy implodes just as every economic expert says it's going to by them taking the actions that they're going to take that's the sick thing

25:16Ben Meiselas:that what and by the way i mean donald trump hates america like let's be very clear like he hates the country. He hates Americans. He hates everything this country stands for. He hates our constitution. And these MAGA Republicans, they hate America. Like, let's not mince words. What they're now just trying to pull, your point exactly, pull this far enough along where you can then just blame the Democrats. And because that's their whole shtick, just blame the Democrats. Like, it doesn't matter what happens to the country, to these MAGAs, because they hate it. They hate everything about it. As long as they're personally okay and they can blame Democrats, that's their whole shtick.

25:55Ben Meiselas:And that's not okay. That's not what our country should stand for. Let's take our first quick break of the show. Everybody hit subscribe right here. Let's get to 6 million subscribers. Hit join. Become a member of our YouTube channel as well. And get memberships for other people. That helps us grow as well. All right. We're going to take our first quick break of the show. We'll be right back. We'll talk about some of those legal updates, including Sean Dunn, the guy who allegedly, allegedly threw the sandwich. What sandwich? What sandwich? Let's take our first one.

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30:13Brett Meiselas:Yeah, different angle. I have a different angle today for the podcast. You guys might see this. So real quick, Ben, I'll throw it over to you. I know you love when I go on these tangents. I had a lot of forehead, my wife said. She's like, your forehead is just too big on the show when we did the stream on Monday. She's like, let's resurface you. And so we worked on that and this is my new studio. I think your forehead looked great.

30:36Jordy Meiselas:I think your forehead looked great, I gotta say. Thanks. And you're looking good, no matter what angle, Jordy. you're one of those no matter what angle you look at you know oh i'm sure the might of my

30:45Ben Meiselas:will agree i mean look though uh the bigger the far head the easier target it is to chuck a

30:52Jordy Meiselas:sandwich at i was i was waiting i was waiting i was like how's ben gonna make this transition you know what they say about people with big foreheads bigger target to throw a sandwich

31:03Ben Meiselas:Yeah, exactly. That's what they say. So 37-year-old Sean Dunn worked at the Department of Justice during the invasion by ICE and Border Patrol of Washington, D.C. Sean Dunn protecting the community was caught on camera holding a sandwich. There are some who say that he threw the sandwich at the ICE officer. There are others who say he did not. There are others who say that he was offering it because he thought that the ICE officer was hungry. Hard times.

31:42Jordy Meiselas:We like the sandwich.

31:44Ben Meiselas:The Trump economy was such that he was offering the meal because he saw the ICE agent working overtime. And so I'll just show you the clip right here. and when I watch it, I don't see anything. So you tell me what you see. I don't see anything. Here, play this clip.

32:11Jordy Meiselas:I thought it was very clear. I thought it was very clear. I thought he said, excuse me, officer, times are tough out there. Would you like the sandwich?

32:19Ben Meiselas:And then I see a car. You guys have handed me sandwiches harder than that growing up. Well, I see the car moving past. I see his hand. Almost he looks like he's asking for a sandwich, Sean. I get what the jury was doing here, and I think that what was kind of clear is that, I don't know. Let me see it one more time, Brett. Just play it one more time. Hold on. I'll try to look.

32:49Oh!

32:51Brett Meiselas:Oh! Oh!

32:54Ben Meiselas:It's interesting from that angle. I don't see it at all.

32:57Jordy Meiselas:So yeah, no, at that time I, I actually didn't see, I didn't see anything.

33:01Ben Meiselas:Yeah. In all seriousness, let me, let me be very, very clear. There was no Sam, no, in all seriousness, the defense, the defense was basically a self-defense, right? It was constitution allows you to have self-defense. ICE, Border Patrol showed up attacking people with gas, chemical weapons, trying to kill people, right? And you can imagine a persuasive argument being made to the jury that where the government overreaches and tries to kill, harass, and harm people in the community, you have a right to protect yourself and to protect people. And the Constitution allows that to happen. Self-defense is a defense.

33:43Ben Meiselas:and you could imagine a persuasive argument to say, look, he didn't use a weapon. He didn't use a gun or a bat or, you know, he took a, he protected the community with a subway sandwich. And isn't that a very, or whatever the sandwich was now, it isn't that noble. So it really wasn't, did he throw the sandwich or not? I mean, obviously the jury can see the video, right? Like I'm not trying to, I'll get serious here, right? The issue was, was he acting in self-defense and protecting himself and the community from these threats. And I think the jury said, especially a Washington, D.C. jury, right, that's what's watching this case and seeing this case, is saying, yeah, like, we are the victims of an invasion is what's taking place, and this guy is a hero.

34:26Ben Meiselas:I mean, literally and figuratively. Boom, boom, boom. Here he is after he won the case. Let's play this clip.

34:38Brett Meiselas:Firstly, I'd like to thank especially Sabrina, Julia and Nick for countless hours and the rest of the team at Steptoe. And I would like to thank Steptoe for offering all of their services pro bono. For feeding me. I would like to thank family and friends and strangers for all of their support, whether it was emotional or spiritual or artistic

35:16Jordy Meiselas:or financial. to the people that opened their hearts and homes to me. I am eternally grateful. And I am so happy that justice prevails in spite of everything happening.

35:36Brett Meiselas:And that night, I believe that I was protecting the rights of immigrants. And let us not forget that the great seal of the United States says, E Pluribus Unum. That means from many, one. Every life matters, no matter where you came from, no matter how you got here, no matter how you identify. You have the right to live a life that is free. Thank you. Sean, what does that have to do with growing a sandwich? What do you do? All right. Thank you very much. I stand by my original comment. Take on.

36:21Ben Meiselas:So it may have been hard for you to hear the one part, though, where he said thanks to Steptoe. That's the name of the law firm that offered their services pro bono. Steptoe LLP, just the name of the firm. So might is mighty. If you have the chance after, send a thank you note to Steptoe. I think it's steptoe.com is the name of the law firm. And I'm sure they have an inquiry page. And you can say, the Midas Mighty thanks you for doing the case pro bono because they spent a lot of hours and a lot of time doing the case.

36:54Jordy Meiselas:But no matter which way you slice it, you know, they got a good result. And that case is now a wrap. You know, I don't want to. Stop it. I don't want to relish in it. What? Stop it.

37:07Ben Meiselas:Stop what? I was on a roll. As Jacob Rubishkin writes, the White House made a whole video about arresting this sandwich guy like he was El Chapo. And he was just acquitted of the only misdemeanor charge that stuck. Should we play this crazy video? Yeah, before playing it, I just want to remind everybody, they went to a grand jury first to indict him on felonies. And no grand jury would do it. So they brought it as a misdemeanor case. and how embarrassing that the Department of Justice from the United States government in DC, which is now run by Judge Jeanine Pirro from Fox, the Fox host runs it, that they would even bring this case.

37:45Ben Meiselas:I missed one that they wouldn't be able to secure an indictment of the guy in the split.

37:50Jordy Meiselas:Let's be honest. That's why this sandwich case was half-baked.

37:54Ben Meiselas:It was half-baked. Then they brought it. Then they couldn't get a conviction. It's as embarrassing thing as you can get for the DOJ. But this is the video they made when they arrested the guy. This is a real video from the Department of Homeland Security website that the White House also posted. The White House and DHS here played.

38:41Ben Meiselas:Come out with the sandwich mother. Come out with the sandwich. Come out with the. Come out or else we're going to bring in some secret sauce.

38:55Jordy Meiselas:Jody thinks my sandwich jokes are cheesy.

38:57Ben Meiselas:They are very cheesy. They are very cheesy. All right. But other legal news as well, the Trump regime is now appealing Judge McConnell's order in Rhode Island, pay the freaking SNAP benefits. They're appealing it. They don't want to pay the SNAP benefits so badly. They are appealing his order where he found that they violated it by not paying the SNAP benefits. And they are rushing to a court of appeals to not pay the SNAP benefits. They rushed to pay Argentina$40 billion. Argentina got$40 billion. This emergency fund is about$6 billion. And they are saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

39:45Ben Meiselas:When it comes to our citizens, we got to starve them to death. When it comes to Argentina, where, by the way, they also have universal health care in Argentina. We got to bail them out,$40 billion to Argentina. What? What? What? I just, that's all I have to say. I mean, you know, so when MAGA Mike does his little gaslighting press conferences, the Trump regime is actually saying we don't want to pay SNAP. So that's Judge McConaughey. Then you had Judge Ellis. Yes, Judge Ellis in Chicago issued a restraining order against the Trump regime. Again, there was a preliminary one issued. But she said the conduct in Chicago, quote, shocks the conscience.

40:32Ben Meiselas:And that's also the standard for intentional infliction of emotional distress. shocks the conscience, the behavior that's going on using chemical warfare against citizens, just engaging in brutality. There's this video, and Brett, I think we have it in our assets today. MSNBC talked about it, but it's this case out of Los Angeles near where my wife's family lives. And ICE agents kidnapped like a little child. They took the dad out of the car and then they jumped in the car with their masks and drove away with the child. They later released the dad. They drove away with the kid. Brett, do we have that one where they drive away with the child?

41:24Ben Meiselas:I think we got that one. Yeah, I'll play it.

41:25Brett Meiselas:The one that specifically I'm thinking about is the one that he himself, the governor of California, was sitting watching this broadcast yesterday and sent a text to my cell phone with a video of a

41:35Jordy Meiselas:raid from Los Angeles, which I think we have, at Cypress Park Home Depot. I've talked to you from that very Home Depot before. It's around the corner from my house. Look inside this car. They took a U.S. citizen father out and left a toddler in the backseat. Two heavily armed Border Patrol agents got in that car and drove the child and the vehicle away. Homeland Security says that that father had a pistol in the car, threw rocks at law enforcement, yet he was later released and the child was returned to the family. Lawyers are saying if there was anything to that story, why didn't they take the kid and lock the father up?

42:11Jordy Meiselas:And Gavin Newsom wrote to me, I am shaking. He's sick. I'm sick. Our country is sick.

42:17Ben Meiselas:And Newsom, Newsom says it correctly. There's no other way to look at it. What's going on? How sick is that? Did you see that? graceful.

42:26Jordy Meiselas:It's, it's just, it's, it's horrific. I mean, it's, it's horrific to watch. And this is a, you know, and admit this is exactly what the voters rejected, right? People don't like seeing this crap. It's beneath the dignity of, of a president of the United States of America. And it, you know, it goes back to, I think the Supreme court ruling, the immunity ruling, which, um, if it hasn't already will go down as the worst ruling in the history of this country, uh, giving Donald Trump the immunity to do whatever the hell he wants, because the guy feels invincible and he feels like he could go out and do this because there's going to be no consequences for it.

42:58Jordy Meiselas:Well, all the people around Donald Trump who are just following orders, we've seen how it works out for those people in history, and we'll see how it works out for these folks. And we're starting to see these judges around the country, like Judge Sarah Ellison, who are starting to at least put some boundaries and some consequences on these people. But what we're seeing out there right now is just atrocious. And I think that's one of the reasons why we saw such enthusiasm at the polls, such energy out there to get out and say, we don't want anything to do with this disgusting regime. And good on Gavin Newsom to speak up and say how disgraceful that this is.

43:30Ben Meiselas:The American people don't just want to vote out these MAGAs. They want them arrested and thrown in prison as war criminals. And where people are pissed off at the Democrats is when you're not channeling that same energy because we see war crimes, war crimes, crimes against humanity taking place on a daily basis by Donald Trump and his regime in the name of the United States. So acting like it's normal or just tough politics, no, no, no. These are war criminals. That's who they are. I mean, these are, and this is what I like now that we have leader Jeffrey saying it this way, right? He calls it the PPP, the Pedo Protection Program.

44:20Ben Meiselas:That's what it is. I mean, Donald Trump and these MAGA Republicans are covering up for a child sex trafficking ring. We've talked about on the other shows, the more data that comes out, we learned that there were suspicious activity reports, SARs from JP Morgan Chase, that showed what a billion dollars in potential money laundering by Jeffrey Epstein and those in his orbit, a billion dollars connected with his sex trafficking ring. Let me say that number again, a billion dollars. Then in the suspicious activity report, it talks about connections with Russian banks as part of the billion dollar money laundering sex trafficking ring.

45:05Ben Meiselas:That will be in the Epstein files. That will be in the Epstein files. Yet Trump and MAGA are covering that up. And I think we see more and more why they're covering it up and how bad, how bad the info must be. That's in there. Remember what we've been focusing on the Midas Touch Network as well. We've always been focused on Trump's links with Epstein, but we've been also very surgical in our reporting. Because Remember how we've been talking about that property that Donald Trump acquired from that guy Abe Gossman in 2004, which Epstein was supposed to acquire. Then four years later, Donald Trump sold it to a Russian oligarch for$95 million when Trump purportedly bought it for$40 million with minimal renovations, making$45 million in four years.

45:56Ben Meiselas:And Epstein was accusing Donald Trump of engaging in financial improprieties relating to that based on what Epstein told Wolf. And that's what Wolf had reported, Michael Wolf. And then in the emails that Bloomberg got its hands on, those 18 ,000 Epstein emails from Epstein's Yahoo account, there were the emails from Epstein and Ghislaine talking about WPB, West Palm Beach documents, and then talking about the feds. they must have spoken to Trump, Gossman, and others. I mean, it's in the emails that were released from Epstein. I want to take a quick break. When we come back, I want to talk a little bit about the Supreme Court oral argument on Trump's tariffs against the world.

46:43Ben Meiselas:Let's talk about Marjorie Taylor Greene turning against Trump and MAGA and what that looks like, and maybe some more topics, but that's probably where we'll finish the show. Last quick break of the show, a reminder, subscribe to our audio podcast if you just watch on YouTube. It helps us out a lot when you subscribe on audio. Leave a five-star review there. So subscribe on all platforms. Also, if you're watching on YouTube, become a member. Don't just subscribe, become a member. That helps us grow. And you can give membership to as many people as you can. Let's take our last quick break of the show.

47:18Ben Meiselas:We'll be back for the final stretch.

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51:44Ben Meiselas:Trump held a weird press conference earlier in the day. You know, we'll have to see what happens. He says those weight loss drugs, those injections, that he's going to lower the prices. And he had Eli Lilly and other pharmaceuticals there. We'll see what he does right there. In any event, he's starving Americans to death. So 42 million Americans are going to lose snaps. So just interesting optics that while you starve people to death, you're giving medication for obesity, but a whole other topic. But anyway, while this press conference was going on, a guest of the Eli Lilly CEO was in the Oval Office and the guy passed out because these things drag on forever.

52:26Ben Meiselas:And here's a photo of Donald Trump just literally standing there. This photo was taken by Andrew Harnick of Getty. And you can literally just see what was going down in the White House. Everybody's rendering aid and Trump's standing there, not even looking at it, not even looking at the guy, not even looking at the scene. Like, doesn't that just describe everything, Donald Trump? And then, and then he fell asleep during the press conference. So when Oz and other people were talking like, like out, out, like sleeping, snoring, dunzo, like we have videos of the guy like sleep. This isn't like AI.

53:04Ben Meiselas:The guy was, the guy was absolutely sleeping. It's ridiculous. So there's that. I want to talk briefly about the Supreme Court oral argument on tariffs. It's Trump's trade war against the world. Trump invoked a statute called IEPA, which deals with emergency powers as it relates to importation duties, but doesn't mention tariffs in the statute at all or regulating taxes in any way. that's the power of Congress. Article one, literally the power of taxation, which tariffs are a type of tax. It's kind of very clear. If when I went to Georgetown Law School, you gave me a fact pattern of this situation and on a constitutional law exam, I would have left that exam saying this is too easy right here.

53:58Ben Meiselas:Like obviously it's article one, the executive branch, Article 2 doesn't have the authority to do this. And I would be like, woof, I dodged a bullet right there with that question. That was an easy one. So from my perspective, you still never know what this right-wing Supreme Court's going to do. But the way they seem to analyze this issue is under something called the major questions doctrine, which is just how the Supreme Court makes up a framework to justify the outcome that it wants. So when it calls something major questions, you know, you usually can tell the outcome. So their view of it is, is that if Congress wanted to delegate away its entire Article I power of taxation, and tariffs are a form of taxation, in the statute, in the law that it passed to do that as a delegation, it would at very least use the word tariff.

54:50Ben Meiselas:Like it would say tariff, like you have the right to do it because it's a major question, right? So you shouldn't have to look at a statute and create some sort of tortured interpretation if you're dealing with a major question that impacts something so big, because you would say, then Congress clearly would have addressed this in the statute. It would have said, of course, you can wake up and make up that you're upset about Canada for running an advertisement that you don't like, and we hereby give you emergency power. They would say it in the enabling law. Major question. And because Congress never said anything about it, and I'm not talking about what Magamike is saying today.

55:33Ben Meiselas:I'll show you a clip of what Magamike said today. Oh, I don't think this infringes on our powers at all. I would have went to Donald Trump and said, Mr. Trump, you've gone too far. I'm sure, Magamike. Congress has to pass something called laws. Remember those things? Those pesky old things called laws. And the law would say, yes, we have an article one, the authority to do this in Congress exclusively, but we hereby for these purposes. And then you would spell it out. And IEPA, this emergency statute has nothing to do with that. And that's basically where the justice is netted out. So that's the broadly, the legal analysis there.

56:12Jordy Meiselas:And the weird, you know, the crazy thing to me watching this is, and I feel like this happens often with Trump and his lawyers, is the lawyers end up having to argue against the things that Donald Trump is saying publicly. So Donald Trump is claiming all these emergency powers to impose tariffs, it's a national emergency. And as I've said here on the show, hard to claim it's a national emergency when you see a TV commercial that gets you upset and then say, I'm raising tariffs by an extra 10%. To me, that falls totally in the face of this is a national emergency if you're imposing tariffs because the TV ad made me sad.

56:45Jordy Meiselas:I mean, that just doesn't apply. And so you also saw Trump's, you know, Trump goes out every day and he goes, we're bringing in trillions of dollars, a zillion trillion dollars in tariffs. It's amazing. Oh my God. Look at all this revenue. Look at all this revenue. I'm brilliant. That's amazing. Wow. Obviously, you know, all total BS. But the judges also asked Donald Trump's attorneys about that because they're like, these emergency powers aren't for revenue raising yet. Donald Trump and the White House keep bragging about raising revenue. And so what is it? Is this emergency or is it for revenue?

57:16Jordy Meiselas:And so you saw, who is it, Sauer, Ben, Trump's lawyer, the lawyer who was on the case there, John Sauer, you saw him like out there, like really on his heels in these questions. A lot of the questions even coming from the so-called conservative justices on the bench there. It'll be interesting to see what they do from that initial, you know, those initial arguments, it didn't seem like they were so into the idea of Donald Trump being unilaterally allowed to impose tariffs based on his feelings. So, you know, we'll see what happens there. But Magamike, I mean, what a disgrace, as you said, just completely abdicating all of his responsibility, all of his roles.

57:55Jordy Meiselas:It was supposed to be a check on power. This is supposed to be an Article I power of Congress. Magamike just totally giving up that authority, even like They even voted themselves out of that authority a few months ago or recently where they were like, oh, yeah, we're actually – we're not allowed to even vote on – we're not going to vote on any tariff legislation until March of 2026 or something. Like the Republican Congress did that to themselves. Like, so you see in the Senate, you see that there are some folks like Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell and like Lisa Murkowski, you know, the usual kind of suspects over there who are actually going along with these votes to block Donald Trump's tariffs, either globally or in specific circumstances like with Canada or Brazil.

58:32Jordy Meiselas:But in the House, like literally Mike Johnson, they made a rule that they can't even take up any tariff cases. They've stripped themselves of power. And that goes back to something we've said on the show a lot. Like, what the hell is the point of living your life, getting into a position of power where you could actually have an influence on people, ideally a positive influence on people? And then you go, nah, not going to do anything. Whenever Donald wants, it's all you. It's an affront to the entire country. It's an affront to the United States of America. And I think about, you know, when we think about Mike Johnson, I think about, you know, Speaker Emerita Pelosi today announcing her retirement.

59:08Jordy Meiselas:And, you know, after all these years, what a historic, you know, powerhouse of a figure Speaker Pelosi is. And also, it reminded me just how also small Mike Johnson is. Like here you have this, you know, giant in politics, somebody who actually knew how to, regardless of what you think about her, she was somebody who knew how to get shit done. And she was perhaps the most effective speaker that we've ever seen in the history of our country. And then to see a Mike Johnson basically follow up and be like the worst, tiniest, smallest, weakest speaker, most cucked speaker on the planet. I mean, it really just shows you the difference in leadership.

59:46Brett Meiselas:Absolutely. No one has been exposed more than Mike Johnson over these last couple of months now because he is spineless. He's not a leader. and the more he gets up in front of these cameras every day to make excuses as to why the government is shut down just i think it's having that de santis effect when de santis was trying to make the run for president it's like the more people saw him the more they just hated him and the more people see maga might get up there and just be absolutely spineless and just you know puppet donald trump's talking points whichever which way it goes i like depending on the day it's an insane thing to watch and frankly play out every every day he gets up there and just like tries to blame the democrats and bring up trans illegal surgery i mean they're he's an insane person and he's

1:00:32Jordy Meiselas:spineless magma mike got up there today and and uh they were like so you're still doing these press conferences okay and and he was like well i got no choice but to do these press conferences the american people they need to hear the truth they need to hear the truth every day and like i said before, never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake. I can tell you, these press conferences are not endearing you with the American people whatsoever.

1:00:59Ben Meiselas:Well, it's so great. We have Asin pull the clips right away. Asin's our head editor of all the clips. I wake up and I'm like, oh, he's doing it again. I'm like, oh, perfect. It's going to be a great video. And I just show his words. And he's so detestable and hateable that people are like, yeah, like, what are you talking about? I mean, here was a mega Mike today. We have the clip where he said, I just don't think that this power encroaches upon what we do in Congress. And if I did, I would, I would do it in my own way. I'd say, Mr. Donald, Mr. Trump, you kind of stopped that. You got to stop it.

1:01:33Ben Meiselas:You think we believe that? I mean, the guy is such a clown show here. Watch this.

1:01:37Brett Meiselas:I'll read too much into the questions. This is how the process works. I'm sure the court will look at this very carefully and deliberately as they do, and I expect that we'll have a majority of the court that says that this administration is doing what they have the legal authority to do. If I felt like the executive branch had overstepped its bounds on trade or on the tariffs or something, I would have stepped in. I mean, that's my job as the Speaker of the House over the legislative branch. I would have done it in my own way to be candid. I would have gone to the president privately and said, hey, sir, enough.

1:02:06Brett Meiselas:I think you've overstepped the bounds. Let's try to figure that out. I wouldn't have publicly had a big dispat with him because it wouldn't have been necessary. But that conversation didn't happen because I believe that what he's done is well within the bounds. And so we'll see what the court does. Yes.

1:02:20Ben Meiselas:It's like literally the thing that's most out of bounds, like the most, right? It would be like, I don't know, like a soccer match of all of a sudden or football if you're not in the United States, like someone just picking up the ball with their hands, right? And like just throwing it in the net. Like it's like, what sport are you playing? Like it's literally the most out of bounds. Article one, the bounds are your power of the purse, taxation, tariffs, that's you. Donald Trump, the presidency, I hate that he's there. It's to faithfully execute those laws. That's it. To faithfully execute the laws.

1:03:01Ben Meiselas:To take care, the take care clause, that it's faithfully executed. Then article three is the judiciary. Like there's no more flagrant example than this. And look, you know I've been focused on the White House East Wing. One of the reasons for checks and balances and doing things the right way also is like, whether it's the East Wing, whether it's the war crimes that our governments commit by Venezuela and the Caribbean, Colombia, killing all these people. I mean hundreds of people were just murdering. It's like more criminal murderers. I mean Hegseth is a war criminal. I mean it's sick. I mean, he should be tried for war crimes when this regime is out of power.

1:03:41Ben Meiselas:For sure, he's a war criminal. And I think he will be in my view. In any event, we want to avoid these things. We need checks to stop these things. And here's something that I've been talking about with the East Wing. Brett, you remember I was talking about asbestos? I'm like, you know they built asbestos. You know they put asbestos all over that East Wing. I said – Well, things like it used to be built with asbestos. It's how a lot of buildings used to be. union job. I said, do you see those clouds? I said, I said, I bet you that they're exposing those workers to lethal asbestos. Like, like, and the people in that area are going to get like mesothelioma, like they're going to like kill him.

1:04:20Ben Meiselas:Like he's going to kill, like he's actually going to kill those people. And by the way, the people working at the white house, the, there's a lot of people who may have been exposed to very deadly asbestos right now. And you had Senator Markey ask this question of union workers who were there on an unrelated hearing about what they've heard about the demolition of the East Wind. Here, listen in.

1:04:45Brett Meiselas:LIUNA runs a world-class apprenticeship program that includes training on asbestos abatement. Many old buildings were constructed and renovated when asbestos-laden products were industry standard, including the White House. Are you aware of any permits or other indications that the White House, that President Trump took any of the appropriate safety steps when Trump demolished the East Wing of the White House to protect against asbestos exposure? I'm not aware of anything that they would have done to protect. So the White House could have exposed workers and passes by to deadly asbestos. Is that your view?

1:05:27Brett Meiselas:They could have. And I can tell you, had it been a union workforce, we would have access to that. This administration chose to use a non-union workforce to go do that on a union project. One of the first things we teach in our apprenticeship is to have your brother or your sister's back. And if you see something, you say something. If something's unsafe, you can stop that work. This isn't a union job site, so we have no access to it. So I don't know what's going on out there. No, thank you. And those safety standards, they exist for a reason. It's to protect workers.

1:05:55Ben Meiselas:Yeah. watch that story in the next 5, 10, 15 years when we see people dying of cancers because of their mesotheliomics, but because of the asbestos exposure. I mean, that's literally like we know, you know, look, as a litigator, I never handled those asbestos mesotheliomic, but one of the things that the law created, people would die so quickly from it that there were laws that had to be created to expedite the cases to make sure their family would be able to get the recovery. So, and then finally, one of the reasons why I think, I just want to say, it's one of the

1:06:28Jordy Meiselas:reasons why I think Trump is just like, like a bad, obviously not just a horrible president. I think he's like legitimately horrible at his job as well. Um, and it's also why his companies were so bad and why he, cause he's trying, he tries to cut corners. And like the thing that I don't understand about it is like, objectively speaking, if you wanted to step back and be like, if Trump's idea was, I think it's important right now in this moment to build the ballroom, That's what we should be doing. And just go through the process, right, man? Go to Congress, get your votes, do it the right way, get the union workers to do it, build it the right way.

1:07:02Jordy Meiselas:I'm sure you could even build a consensus with the American people. I mean, you have all the branches of government. If you want this to be a project, then make the case for it. But you don't just wake up one day, demolish the building with non-union workers, potentially spread asbestos all over the place, do this ridiculous eyesore while the government shut down while people are starving. Like it's just every, everything he does is just designed for maximum destruction. And there are ways to do things if you wanted to do them that are legitimate things that you could actually get people on board with.

1:07:30Jordy Meiselas:But this is just chaos and bedlam. This is just ridiculous.

1:07:34Brett Meiselas:It's just a lot. And finally more life in general though, as well. And just the pattern that we've always seen from Donald Trump. So let's go back to when he got COVID. Y 'all remember when he was just riding in the car, like with whomever in that, for medically sealed car, just exposing others to COVID that were in there as well. And this is a perfect example here with the asbestos in the White House. And even take it back to how we started this episode with the gentleman who fainted in the White House. And Trump just could not give a damn about anyone aside from Donald Trump. That's the only person he cares about.

1:08:05Ben Meiselas:I'm going to toss it off to Brett and close it out because I do want you to show the Marjorie Taylor Greene clip, Brett. I got a little bit of daddy duty. I got to attend to just for, but we're heading, we're in the final, final, final stretch. I want you to play Marjorie Taylor Greene. I know we covered a lot here on this episode. And so I just wanted to let everybody know. I know, yeah, but I wanted everybody to know too how big and important I just think this week is. And it shows the power of you, the might is mighty. And I want you to hear that from me. And now we have to keep on building, right?

1:08:39Ben Meiselas:We've seen kind of the proof that this is working and fighting back is working and getting out the truth is working. And now we just got to keep this momentum going. So that's what I wanted to say. But Brett, show that MTG clip before you go.

1:08:52Jordy Meiselas:Will do. Will do. And thanks, Ben. Great, great having you here. Yeah. And so we've seen Marjorie Taylor Greene in recent days break from the Republican Party. And, you know, the thing is, as I said a few weeks ago on the show, when we started seeing, you know, folks like Tucker Carlson and other people kind of starting to say things that agree with some of the things that we say with on the show, I said, I want to remind you, we're not agreeing with them. They are agreeing with us, first of all. But, of course, there are also ulterior motives behind what all of these people do. So before I play Marjorie Taylor Greene's clip, you know, I think at some point you should go and you should watch AOC's explanation for why she believes Marjorie Taylor Greene is doing all this.

1:09:35Jordy Meiselas:Basically, she feels slighted by Donald Trump and she's kind of doing this as a little bit of revenge. But we're also learning other things about it. And many people actually think that Marjorie Taylor Greene is and I try not to throw up while I say this, but Marjorie Taylor Greene wants to run for president of the United States. And she sees a pathway in which to do that. And so you see her kind of moderating in a way as she does this and going against her own party. But the things she's saying here are certainly very valid and it shows a fracture in the Republican Party. And beyond those things that I said about before, I think there's also an element here where in a weird way, of all people, Marjorie Taylor Greene sees the writing on the wall with MAGA.

1:10:22Jordy Meiselas:She sees that this is a dying movement that doesn't really have much of a shelf life. And she knows that she's relatively young and she wants to be in this game for a long time and she wants to rise the ranks. So I think she's looking for her own personal self-interest beyond the MAGA movement. And she's also looking at what's happening in her own district. And there were areas in Georgia right around her where she represented and stuff that flipped in big ways also to the Democrats. She has to be looking at that. And she understands that the stuff that Donald Trump is saying about prices and about Epstein and stuff, that that's really pissing people off in her district.

1:10:55Jordy Meiselas:And it's pissing off the base of the Republican Party. Like a lot of these people feel betrayed. And we actually saw a good amount of MAGA voters and Trump voters actually jump ship, as we said earlier in the episode, to actually vote with the Democrats during these elections. So Marjorie Taylor Greene speaking about the Epstein files, not giving this up and says, like, basically, you know, what's the deal? Like, everyone basically agrees that we should be releasing the Epstein files. Here's Marjorie Taylor Greene.

1:11:18Brett Meiselas:But what do you say to people, perhaps people in your own district, who feel like his administration isn't being transparent on this issue? And it brings a lot of questions up for them. I don't really have to explain it. It's pretty much everyone across the board agrees, release the Epstein files. So this is something that I get calls into my office almost every day about. We track all the calls that come into my office, and I think that's extremely important, whether they come from the district or out of district. And it's all over the country. People just want this information released.

1:11:49Jordy Meiselas:And Marjorie Taylor Greene, as we said, believes also that the Epstein files may have played a role in the votes on Tuesday. It's the need for more transparency around the Epstein files.

1:11:59Brett Meiselas:You even told us last month that you're concerned about threats. because you want to expose some of the people in power who were on Jeffrey Epstein, who was part of Jeffrey Epstein's ring. According to the survivors, there's a list of men they haven't released yet. You said you're willing to read that list on the House floor. What more can you tell us about that and the names? Oh, I told the lovely women that I met that are victims of Jeffrey Epstein. They also say they are victims of another group of men. one that they're afraid to list publicly. And I told them that I would I'd be happy to read that name on the House floor for them.

1:12:39Brett Meiselas:There hasn't been any movement forward on that. Of course, that's up to those women and that's their decision. However, I remain steadfast. And my belief is that all of this information should be released. No one should be protected. That's completely unfair. And I think it's a failure of administration, administration, administration that they never released it. No one has released this stuff. And so this is something that the American people are extremely angry about. I think it also played a part in Tuesday's election of why some people are just mad and they don't want to go vote. And it's not going away anytime soon.

1:13:20Brett Meiselas:Have you made your concerns about the Epstein files known to the president directly? Yes. Yes, I have. I don't share my personal conversations with the president, but I did. I did express how important it is.

1:13:33Jordy Meiselas:See, I really believe that she understands exactly where the base is, though, and where the base is heading and where the country is heading in many ways. And I think she was trying to almost warn the party about all this before the elections. And now that the elections happened, she's like, I see exactly what the hell happened here. Like we don't have time to just like continue to do what Mike Johnson's doing and what Thune is doing and Trump is doing, although she like never really says Trump's name and all this and come out and.

1:14:03Brett Meiselas:It's always the advisors. Yeah, it's always the people.

1:14:06Jordy Meiselas:It's the people around Trump. Yeah. But like, but like, so she was also asked, like, so do you think it's like a smart strategy for all these people to be downplaying the election results? Like, as I said, Mike Johnson was like, these are just blue, blue Democrats and blue states. So they're voting and it doesn't actually mean anything. Everyone loves the Republicans. We're all great. Everything's swell. Well, here's a Marjorie Taylor Greene's take was on that.

1:14:28Brett Meiselas:Mike Johnson, Senate Majority Leader Thune and Vice President J.D. Vance, they all downplayed the election results, disputing that this is a broader wake up call for your party. Are they wrong? I don't think they should downplay it. I'm from Georgia and we lost two very important public service commission seats that were statewide races in the state of Georgia. I think that should be a big wake up call to my home state. We've got the entire slate coming up in 2026 with governor, lieutenant governor, secretary of state. And John Ossoff's Senate seat is up for up for election. So I think it's a major wake up call as well as other down ballot races in Pennsylvania and Mississippi.

1:15:13Jordy Meiselas:And I'm not one to give advice to Republicans, but will they listen? Because it's, you know, definitely, I think, a smart line of advice from Marjorie Taylor Greene that they should be caring about these things right now. The American people made their voices resoundingly clear on Tuesday. They could not have been more clear. And all the exit polling shows exactly why they did that. The Democrats ran fantastic candidates from Donnie to Spanberger to Cheryl to the incredible campaign that Governor Newsom did with Prop 50. I mean, all over the map, the Democrats ran the table and that was not an accident.

1:15:50Jordy Meiselas:These are good candidates who are very disciplined with their messaging. The main message being affordability and they hammer that home every day. And then you also had the background of this insanity, this chaos of a Trump administration, a regime that is utterly unhinged, that thinks that even though they won less than 50 % of the vote in the 2024 election that they have some sort of mandate of God to do whatever the hell they want. Well, the voter said, absolutely not. Get the hell away from me. Get the hell off my back or we're going to make you pay for this and make them pay. They did on Tuesday.

1:16:22Jordy Meiselas:And so now, as Ben said, now is not the time to get complacent. Now, in fact, is the time to put your foot on the gas. Now is the time. And it doesn't mean get cocky. It doesn't mean get braggadocious. It It doesn't mean, you know, start waving your hands and go, yeah, we did it. No, none of that crap, right? It means take the lessons that we learned and let's continue in that direction. Let's continue to fight for a better America and let's continue to fight against this authoritarian regime, stay disciplined, stay the course, put in the work and spread these messages. You know, one of the things that was so heartening to me and Jordi, I know you as well as when we've gone to these no Kings protests and stuff, seeing people out there who say, I I watch Midas Touch.

1:17:04Jordy Meiselas:I listen to the Midas Touch podcast. I love your Instagrams. I love your TikToks. I tell everyone about the podcast. I think that's also one of the reasons why we see so many people at these events because people are spreading these messages, not just Midas Touch, but they're spreading what's going on in this country. And that right now is like the single most important thing. Keep spreading the word, whether it's us, whether it's other creators, pro-democracy people, we need to get these messages out in mass. You'd be shocked at how many people don't even know what's going on on a daily basis in the country.

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