MeidasTouch Full Podcast - 3/17/26

19:22Jordy Meiselas:There was a monitor from Oman who was in the room with Donald Trump and with the Iranians. He went on television the day of the strikes that Donald Trump, the first strikes against Iran, and said that Iran had offered all these concessions that went even further than Barack Obama's Iran nuclear deal. He went on TV to say that to make sure the public knew that before Donald Trump tried to go out there and start this war and lie about it. So that independent monitor actually is the one who gave the American people the truth back then. And that is what these Iranian leaders right now kind of continue to reference because he's somebody the United States was cool with being in the room.

20:02Jordy Meiselas:And so we just see the lies right now. They're so incredibly obvious coming from Trump. And as I said, the lies just wreak of desperation. Right.

20:12Ben Meiselas:And one of the things the Iranians keep on referencing is Donald Trump's connection with Jeffrey Epstein and the Epstein class. They repeat that over and over again. And I said that was going to be their strategy because it's effective. And I'm not like saying it's effective, like yay, yay, go Iran. We need to understand what's happening, both the Iranian propaganda and the United States propaganda. And we need to figure out how the United States can get out of this unlawful war and how we try to make things less worse at this point, because what Donald Trump's doing is an absolute disaster. Donald Trump is a morally compromised individual his entire life, right?

20:54Ben Meiselas:He is a sicko. And when Donald Trump is out there palling around with Jeffrey Epstein, and when his regime is covering up a child sex trafficking ring with their despicable DOJ, which Donald Trump has his photo plastered on as a billboard, when the entire world knows that one of the reasons Donald Trump rushed into this war, in addition to Netanyahu saying that he was going to attack first, which Netanyahu realized how vulnerable Donald Trump was here as a result of the Epstein files coming out and Donald Trump being named over and over again. Netanyahu knew the right time to kind of put the pressure on Donald Trump with everything coming out with Epstein.

21:33Ben Meiselas:Then Donald Trump chased Netanyahu and Trump. You'd all say, hey, this could be a distraction from the, in my opinion, this could be a distraction from the Epstein files as well. Iran just repeats that over and over again and goes to their own people, which is like, hey, you want to be controlled by people who are covering up child sex trafficking? You want to be controlled by the Epstein class? You all saw these emails. These are the people who are running this war right now. It's Trump and his crew of Epstein class people. Now, by the way, that is an effective messaging. And this is why when people are surrounding, even in other countries where the person may not even have the direct connection with Epstein, if they were responsible for bringing somebody into the government who did, the person who was responsible for bringing the person in, not just the person in, they all have to go.

22:28Ben Meiselas:And the reason they have to go is if you're morally compromised, you really can't be a leader. And you certainly can't be leading at the highest level. That's why moral character matters right here. So that gets repeated over and over again. And Donald Trump and Hegseth and the Trump regime play into all of the things that America's enemies say about America. They're out there. I mean, the Trump regime people, we're going to reign death. We're going to do this for fun, right? One of the things that Donald Trump said about going after the Karg Islands. He said this in various interviews. He keeps repeating it.

23:01Ben Meiselas:This is fun. Yeah, we bombed the hell out of it. We decimated it. I may bomb it again because I find it fun. Well, that's a war crime right there. When Pete Hegsett says, we will show you no quarters, quite literally, a war crime is showing no quarters, right? I mean, in war, the rules of war, the laws of war, you have to show quarters to people if they're desperate and they're not posing a threat.

23:28Jordy Meiselas:And Ben, it's interesting to note how this all shifted too, right? I mean, think about the messaging at the very beginning from the Trump regime. Think about back in February, right? What were they pushing for? They were pushing for freedom for the Iranian people. Get out there and protest. There were these pro-democracy protests that were forming against the Iranian regime. And Donald Trump said, get out there in the streets. The United States has your back. And so the Iranians went out in the streets, assuming that the United States had their back. The United States did not have their back. These pro-democracy protesters in Iran got slaughtered by the tens of thousands.

24:05Jordy Meiselas:Donald Trump did absolutely nothing. He waited and waited and waited. And when he did actually take action months later, the first thing he did was bomb a school with more than 165 girls in it. And now he's indiscriminately talking about the Iranians, their nasty people. I'm not sure if they deserve our help. And as Ben said, playing into all those sort of ugly American stereotypes that the Iranian propaganda is pumping out, while the Iranian propaganda is actually being quite sophisticated and is speaking to issues that Americans care about. Like, why are you engaging yourself in this war and not helping the American people get healthcare?

24:47Jordy Meiselas:Why are you not worrying about the American people's gas prices? Why are you engaging in Israel's war when the American people need your help? Why are you covering up for the Epstein files? I'm not defending that, but I think it is important that we understand the difference in the propaganda tactics and how poor Donald Trump's communication is in this moment and how that is being used right now to turn even those people in Iran who would be sympathetic to the United States, helping them out. It's turning the United States against him because it is affirming all of the Iranian regime's propaganda.

25:24Jordy Meiselas:And that's why it's so dangerous.

25:25Brett Meiselas:And then when you look at Donald Trump and the Hegsess of them all, you know, I've always referred to these people as high school bullies, right? They take on this high school bully dynamic, this character, this machismo that they try and put out there. When they put out this just other buffoonery of, we're going to bomb the hell out of them and bomb them again. And we love it. And we're going to show no cause. And they act like this tough guy. They've actually never looked weaker. And they actually make America look as weak as we could be. When they act like this, it is embarrassing. It's actually genuinely humiliating for me as Americans seeing our leaders behave in which the ways that they are.

26:01Brett Meiselas:Now, the issue with these particular high school bullies that we have, quote unquote, at the highest level of government and leadership at this moment, is that they have access to a lot of firepower. And they are very dangerous to what they can do. Brett talked about the school with the girls school and all of that. It's really horrific war in general. But now when you see the specifics of what is being committed, what is happening, it's devastating. It's devastating when you realize that too, that you don't have leaders taking the wheel that are calm, cool, and collected. And just people that want to play to this very slim base of, I'm going to bomb the hell out of them and cheer that on.

26:38Brett Meiselas:It's ridiculous to me that we've come here as a country then.

26:42Ben Meiselas:Two quick points. Number one, Jared Kushner is currently fundraising in the Middle East. He wants another$5 billion for his private equity firm. And so what does the foreign minister of Iran do? Post the article about Jared Kushner fundraising and says, while the American troops who are coming home in caskets that are draped with the American flag, Jared Kushner is out there and they need to raise funds using GoFundMe right now in the United States. Kushner is out there, you know, raising$5 billion from Arab nations after the United States security umbrella has failed the Arab nations and all of the promises in the pay for play schemes, the play part, the quid pro quo, where you got to pay for the play, the Trump regime, the same way Donald Trump bankrupted his casinos and screwed over the creditors and screwed over the contractors.

27:38Ben Meiselas:He's doing this in war and the American people are also getting screwed over royally as well. Another point that I think needs to be noted, who's Donald Trump having out there right now as like his main surrogates of the war. It is Kevin Hassett, the National Economic Advisor. It is Besant, the Treasury Secretary. It is the Energy Secretary.

28:05Jordy Meiselas:All economic people, eh? All the economic people. Not the people who have any strategy of the war, not the Secretary of State. You'd expect Marco Rubio to be the guy who would be there every day. You'd expect Pete Hegseth to be the guy out there every day. But I think the reason is that they can't answer questions about the strategy behind this war because they have no strategy and their objectives that they keep claiming continue to shift. It seems like the main objective right now of this war is to open the Strait of Hormuz. The Strait of Hormuz was open before the war. That's a new objective that was now forced in there because Donald Trump, they were showing this image again, help me open Hormuz.

28:41Jordy Meiselas:It's a new objective now they're forced in because of Donald Trump's actions sparking this global energy crisis. And so you could tell Donald Trump is not concerned about life. He's not concerned about really much of anything. You could tell by Donald Trump putting those people who've been mentioned on the television that Donald Trump is concerned about keeping the stock market doing okay. And he's worried about the oil markets. Donald Trump cares about the markets. That's all he cares about. And you know that he is panicked that his war is having a devastating effect on the economy and on the markets.

29:13Jordy Meiselas:Yeah.

29:14Ben Meiselas:And then caring about the markets the way he does from the perspective of directly manipulating the markets is counterintuitive and harms the markets versus allowing what the right wing claim they once cared about free markets. Donald Trump doesn't care about free markets. Donald Trump cares about Trump manipulated markets. And when he's tried to manipulate his own markets in the past, he's gone bankrupt, bankrupt, bankrupt. All right. When we come back, I want to come back with receipts. I want to show you, boom, fact, fact, fact, fact, fact, fact, fact, fact. So if you have family members and friends who are maybe new to the Midas Touch Network and they say, okay, we heard the brothers spend the first part saying these things, show me the evidence.

29:56Ben Meiselas:I want to be members of the jury because I want to make a decision. I'm not hearing this stuff on corporate news. Show me the facts. Show me the receipts. We're our first quick break. A reminder, make sure you hit subscribe. We're on our way to 7 million subscribers here at the Midas Touch Network. Help us get to 7 million subscribers. Subscribe on audio as well. Help us with, put those audio reviews on, on the audio podcast. As you know, as Brett said, we don't know what's going on with Apple's podcast system right now. And so all the help you can provide us there is great. And one of the best ways you can help us is just leave a five-star review after watching this.

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34:18Brett Meiselas:went and left reviews from our show last week when we were asking the community and just like i just love you guys so much like the might is mighty this pro-democracy community every time that we really ask for your guys's help y 'all always always come through without fail so don't stop keep doing it keep leaving the reviews we're gonna try and get this fixed i know it's still not working for a lot of you guys uh we're gonna do our best if you guys continue to keep doing your part i just wanted to say thank you so we're talking apple they said they're talking to their

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34:47Jordy Meiselas:Weird. Okay. But we keep on pushing. We fight on. We don't let anything deter us. Ben.

34:53Ben Meiselas:Look, remember when Donald Trump during COVID said, like a miracle, it's all going to go away. We're bending the curve. By Easter, COVID will be eradicated. It's basically the same exact playbook. And by the way, Donald Trump throughout this term has consistently made up fake conversations with world leaders. This person said this, this person said that. And Donald Trump did it in the context of trade and what that had led to, and we've been reporting on it very diligently here for over a year, is all these countries forging their own trade alliances outside of the United States. Canada's been really asserting itself with Prime Minister Carney, serving really as like the intermediary or the organizing force linking trans-Pacific partnerships with trans-Atlantic partnerships, and then going down to kind of Central America, South America, Mexico, and really just cutting out the United States.

35:46Ben Meiselas:So we had seen this developing at trade levels, on mutual defense levels. We've seen like Canada and Europe entering into defense packs. We've seen Nordic defense packs and really starting to develop as Donald Trump has been significantly weakening NATO. And look, to be fair, there were a lot of people who still are within NATO, these top generals and top people who are doing their best to hold it together. But obviously, when Donald Trump continues to support Vladimir Putin, remove sanctions from Russian oil, allowing Russia to make billions of dollars right now in Donald Trump's disastrous war in Iran, Russia's the biggest beneficiary.

36:31Ben Meiselas:They were on the ropes economically, and Donald Trump just gave them a massive bailout. All the while, Russia's out there saying, we're helping Iran. By the way, the Iranian foreign minister is going out there and saying, Russia and China, they are helping us militarily. They're not hiding the alliance right now. They're saying it out loud. Russia's saying, yep, we're helping them. It's not like a secret thing. And Iran is out there saying, yes, we have military, political, and economic support right now from Russia and China right now. And that's the alliance, right? It's Iran, it's Russia.

37:03Jordy Meiselas:And then meanwhile, what's Donald Trump saying? China, will you please help us? China, please don't you want to help us?

37:09Ben Meiselas:Why isn't China helping us? Because they want to hurt you.

37:13Jordy Meiselas:They're our geopolitical adversary. What the hell do you think?

37:15Ben Meiselas:And by the way, if you look at what's happening in the Strait of Hormuz right now, there's about three or four cargo ships that are being allowed to go through. And if you follow the shipping path, the path that these ships are taking, they're going right around. they're being very close to the Iranian coast, which is kind of an unusual pattern, which has signaled to a lot of people that the reason they're probably taking that pattern is that in all the other areas, there are probably mines right now, and that Iran is controlling just that narrow strip right by the Iranian coast, whether that's for India, because we know India is now negotiating bilaterally with Iran.

37:58Ben Meiselas:China is working directly with Iran. So look, the issue that China has is it's really dependent on the oil from the Middle East. So it needs to figure out a solution here, that's for sure. But it is also allied with Iran and China seeing the US suffer like this. For China, this is like a strategic imperative right now that they're seeing take place at warp speed, to use another term, you know, from the Trump regime. And Russia is seeing it as well. And Zelensky's out there saying, look, Trump, we're trying to give you our interceptor drones, these 10 ,000 interceptors, and give you the know-how how to shoot down these Shahi drones.

38:37Ben Meiselas:And over the weekend, Donald Trump was out there saying, we don't need Zelensky's help. He's the last person I want to talk to. And by the way, he's a pain in the ass to negotiate with. I like negotiating with Putin, not Zelensky. Zelensky's literally trying to say, we have the technology to help you while Donald Trump is attacking Zelensky. So the point I was making, though, was as all of this is going on, and we know that Trump lies about everything, I gave the COVID reference. These lies were already forging changes in a geopolitical structure that we've been very focused on before the war.

39:12Ben Meiselas:Now this has all been accelerated. And also these lies that Donald Trump tells in a war setting, again, doesn't even work for any outrageous propaganda value at all. It's just completely and utterly pathetic. And now you have like the foreign minister of Iran saying, because Trump and his people are saying, we're speaking with Iran, we're speaking with Iran. And then the foreign minister of Iran's like, no, my last contact with Mr. Whitcoff was prior to his employer's decision to kill diplomacy with another illegal military attack on Iran. Any claim to the contrary appears geared solely to mislead oil traders and the public.

39:57Ben Meiselas:And I guess what pisses me off or makes me have difficult feelings to grapple with is like, I know here the Iranian foreign ministers is telling the truth. And I know our government is lying as it relates specifically to this issue, right? Why would Iran be lying about that specific issue if it thought that it was getting obliterated? We know that Iran was striking the Dubai airports today. We know that Iran is having a lot of Middle East nations reach out to try to negotiate bilateral. We know that Donald Trump is stuck right now. And so, no, the Trump regime is out there clearly manipulating the markets right now, and they're just lying about communications that are not taking place.

40:41Ben Meiselas:Let me show you what Iran's military command is saying right now, because they're now doing these videos in English, just like mocking Donald Trump. So this comes from their central headquarters in Iran. They're saying, oh, you call this epic fury. It's epic fear. You're not going to get out of this by tweets, Donald. Here, play this clip. A message to the president of the United States.

41:04Brett Meiselas:The outcome of war cannot be determined by tweets. The result of a war is determined in the field, the very place where you and your forces do not dare to approach and you can only talk about it in your tweets. It's better to name this war as Epic Fury instead of Epic Fury.

41:27Ben Meiselas:I mean, how is it that our people now look like Baghdad Bob and their people are saying things that intuitively were like, Like, yes, like, why is Donald Trump handling this by social media?

41:41Jordy Meiselas:All cabs, tweets, don't be a panicking. It's ridiculous. I mean, I think one day this will be analyzed, you know, beyond the strategic missteps that Donald Trump engaged in going into this war in the first place, especially with zero objectives whatsoever, seemingly constantly shifting goalposts, not bringing, looping our allies into what he was going to do, telling our allies to F off and then begging them to come into the fold. Combining not only that aspect, but the communication aspect, I think, in the future is going to be a, it's going to be really studied how this war was communicated to the public and what a failure in communication Donald Trump and his regime have been doing compared to the Iranians who are using Donald Trump's typical tricks against him in so many ways.

42:30Jordy Meiselas:I mean, this is such a failure at the highest levels, and Donald Trump has made the United States look so incredibly weak. And seeing all of these leaders, all of these statements, we saw the leaders from Germany, from the UK, from South Korea, from Japan, all over the world today, all releasing statements, German Chancellor Murs on Iran saying, we will not participate in this war. There were a whole bunch of statements. I mean, Japan saying, Japan does not currently plan to dispatch naval vessels to escort ships in the Middle East. That was what the prime minister of Japan said. Britain, Keir Starmer, the prime minister, said that he will not let the country be drawn into the wider war.

43:11Jordy Meiselas:European foreign ministers said that they do not want to be drawn into the wider war. I mean, this is like a full court press from the entire world. You see Italy's foreign minister saying, diplomacy is the right way to solve issues in the Strait of Hormuz, and that they will not be sending any naval missions to the Strait to help. Greece, a government spokesperson, said on Monday that Greece would not engage in military operations in the Strait of Hormuz. We just are seeing this now from every single country. Do we have a statement from the German, the guy in the German, yeah, I want to bring this up from the defense minister, Boris Pistorius, because I thought this was like a particularly big kind of FU to Donald Trump.

43:55Jordy Meiselas:He said, what does Trump expect from a handful of Europeans that the powerful US Navy cannot do? This is not our war. We have not started it. Basically saying you, Donald Trump, are saying that the US Navy is this all powerful force. What could we, are these lowly Germans who you've demeaned and the EU, what are we going to possibly bring to the table? I mean, that's why I said that Donald Trump has brought us into the great American humiliation. We have never seen such a repudiation of the United States from foreign leaders. And in a way, in a big way, they're teaching Donald Trump a lesson of how the world works.

44:32Jordy Meiselas:And it reminds me of what Zelensky said in February, 2025. We played this clip on our social media recently, and I know Ben has brought it up. But remember what Zelensky said in that Oval Office, that infamous Oval Office day. You had President Zelensky of Ukraine sitting in the Oval Office next to Donald Trump and next to J.D. Vance. And Zelensky was saying, listen, there's going to be a day, you may be protected right now by the ocean, but there's going to be a day when you are involved in a war and you need the help of your friends. And Donald Trump and J.D. Vance, Donald Trump, don't tell me what to feel.

45:04Jordy Meiselas:Don't tell me what to feel. You don't tell me what we're going to do. And Zelensky's like, I'm not telling you what to feel, what you're going to feel. I'm just telling you how the world works. One day, there will be a time where you will feel it because you will be in the middle of combat. that, you will be in the middle of a war and you will need to rely on your friends. That was when there was the whole J.D. Vance, what, do you wear a suit? That was that whole saga where they shouted Zelensky down. Well, I think that moment right there is going to be a moment that is in history as a moment of the foresight of Zelensky and his diplomacy of him warning Donald Trump.

45:41Jordy Meiselas:It's like an omen to Donald Trump. You better listen up, dude, because you need others as well. But Donald Trump refused, refused that premise. And now we are witnessing the karma of that happen in real time. And unfortunately for us, it's to the detriment of the United States. And it's the detriment of the security of the United States and of our allies. And it's all caused by Donald Trump and the sycophants around Donald Trump who refuse to stand up to him and refuse to say anything. I mean, we've seen people interviewed like Besant and they've asked Besant. They've said stuff like, hey, like if you thought that a move Donald Trump was going to make would be devastating for the global economy, would you tell him that?

46:23Jordy Meiselas:You would think your advisors – you hire advisors to give their advice, right, to maybe push back sometimes and say, yeah, I don't know. That's such a good idea. I'm an expert in this field. That's why you picked me. But Besant was like, no, I would never tell the president what to do. I can't do the best like Ben could do it, so I'm not going to attempt it. But you get what I'm saying here. You just have a bunch of yes men around him who are leading us right now to disaster. Donald Trump's back is against the wall. And to me, that's the scariest part about all of this, because desperate people do desperate things.

46:57Brett Meiselas:And it's why we say, too, that Trump, the regime, the cabinet, everyone that Trump has put around him, they're just yes men. They're trying to appease one audience. And they've even admitted it, that they are trying to appease Donald Trump. So if it's going to actually benefit Americans and Donald Trump has proven wrong in certain instances, they won't tell him because they're too scared or because they're just that complicit in wanting to do Donald Trump's bidding. I'm so sick of this idea and this concept, by the way, that Donald Trump is this great negotiator, this great genius businessman.

47:30Brett Meiselas:He wrote a book. He wrote a book about it, The Art of the Deal. What a genius he is. I'm not saying this to be like, he's probably the worst negotiator that's ever existed. And it's because he hasn't had to negotiate in the same playing field that folks actually have to negotiate in. Why? Because again, he had daddy's money that he just blew up. He had daddy's money and his name. So anytime in his prior business dealings where he was trying to do negotiations, well, guess who has the upper hand when they have all of the money and all of the name behind you and all of the cloud and all of the stuff that comes with it?

48:02Brett Meiselas:The person that has all of that. And so now when Donald Trump is trying to negotiate on a global stage, he has to start playing by rules that are a bit more fair. And what he's trying to lean into is the superiority of the United States and the United States military. And it is, it is vastly incredible. And there's no way around that. But you have to actually be able to come to the table and negotiate on real terms with people that actually want to make progress. You can't just say you're the best, talk about how all you have are the best things and expect people to just bend the knee and admit, okay, yeah, you are, Yeah, OK, we'll do whatever you have to say, Donald Trump.

48:36Brett Meiselas:He is the worst person to be in charge of this moment right now. As I keep saying, it is going to get even worse than what we are already seeing. And our American troops are paying the price. Our collective economy is paying the price. It's devastating. The impacts are devastating.

48:52Ben Meiselas:Yeah, look, I think about the Greek and Roman tragedies I read in college. I think about the Shakespearean stories that I read. I think about Aesop's fables. You think about these characters, right, that are stand-ins for, you know, arrogance and stand-ins for, you know, people who ultimately get this karma after going through, you know, all of these machinations. and when you read it sometimes you would be like yeah but no one's really like that in real life like that's not like you're exaggerating but the reality is is that Donald Trump is like himself an exaggeration of the exaggeration in these Greek and Roman tragedies of like the fallen leader who was so arrogant that he led his country off the cliff right like that's actually what is happening in real time.

49:48Ben Meiselas:And the things that Donald Trump's saying are so outrageous and so dangerous that you're like, did he really just say that? I'll just give you examples. During a press conference today, Donald Trump said, you know, no one thought Iran was going to go after all these countries. They weren't supposed to do that. That wasn't the plan. says who you you were warned about exactly that from your generals and the Arab nations and Iran said this is what we will do if you attack us here's our plan it was well known I knew about it I was talking about it two months ago let's put it this way I'm not trying to criticize myself though but if I knew about it two months ago I would certainly hope people around Donald Trump knew about it.

50:36Ben Meiselas:You all knew about it. Here, play this clip.

50:39Brett Meiselas:And power. Look, look what happened in the last two weeks. They weren't supposed to go after all these other countries in the Middle East. Those missiles were set to go after them. So they hit Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait. Nobody expected that. We were shocked.

51:03Ben Meiselas:Nobody expected that. we were shocked. Well, that right there should be disqualifying. If that truly shocked you, you deserve to be impeached and removed, and you deserve to be behind bars, frankly, for lots of other things. But that's certainly impeachable in my mind. Easily impeachable. If that isn't impeachable, I don't know what an impeachable event is. If that's not 25th Amendment, I don't know what the 25th Amendment is there for. Or Donald Trump, after saying that we need the help of all of these nations to help us in the Strait of Hormuz. Then saying they joined us. Now he says, we don't need anybody.

51:42Ben Meiselas:We're so strong. We so strong. We don't need anybody at all. Here, play this clip.

51:48Brett Meiselas:We don't need anybody. We're the strongest nation in the world. We have the strongest military by far in the world.

51:54Jordy Meiselas:We don't need them. But it's interesting. I'm almost doing it in some cases, not because we need them, but because I want to find out how they react. because I've been saying for years that if we ever did need them, they won't be there. Not all of them, but they won't be there.

52:08Brett Meiselas:I was very surprised with the United Kingdom because the United Kingdom, two weeks ago, I said, why don't you send some ships over? And he really didn't want to do it. I said, you don't want to do it. We've been with you.

52:21Jordy Meiselas:You're our oldest ally. And we spent.

52:25Ben Meiselas:I was a test. We don't need them. I was testing them. They failed the test. But then Donald Trump says, we strongly encourage nations to get involved with us quickly and with great enthusiasm. Join us quickly and with, what does it even mean? Join us quickly and with great enthusiasm. Here, play this clip.

52:44Jordy Meiselas:Well, under that land, we strongly encourage the other nations to get involved with us and get involved quickly and with great enthusiasm. I have that from a number of them and I'd like to say their names, but frankly, I don't know if they would want me to or not because maybe they don't want to be targeted. But I say, wouldn't matter if you're targeted or not.

53:09Ben Meiselas:I just don't want to tell you their names. I have a girlfriend. She goes to another school. I'm not going to tell you what her name. I'm not going to tell you who she is. But, you know, I mean, lives in Canada, he lives in canada i met her okay anyway so then then donald trump says uh you said that iran wants to make a deal with you what do you uh what do you make of that they want to make a deal with

53:35Brett Meiselas:you here play this clip very much so go ahead please mr president you've said that iran does want to make a deal now into the third week of this bombing campaign what would that deal look like what are the the ask that you're making of they want to make a deal they're talking to are people. I don't know if they say that to you. Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. Don't forget, they are a country that for years, I didn't know this until recently, they're a country based on disinformation. And now they're using disinformation plus AI. And that's a terrible situation. That's a terrible situation.

54:13Ben Meiselas:By the way, Donald Trump uses AI for a lot of things, number one. Number two, What do you mean you just realize they're a country of misinformation? And number three, they're not talking to you. They're just, they're not. They don't want to, there's no incentive for them to talk to you because you utilize a negotiation to attack. So even if they did, what would be the purpose of them doing it? If they talked with you, You're just going to view any type of negotiation as a vulnerability to then exploit it. Like that's obviously, you know, what you do. I want to pause there for a moment. So we've got to take our last quick break of the show.

54:57Ben Meiselas:I want to, Brett, I want to get your reaction to all of that because any one of those clips, if any other president said that, that would be front page news everywhere. and I think that we would hop past impeachment to criminally charge this person right away because frankly what I observed there in my opinion was a form of treason. Like that behavior to me is treason. We're in war and that's what the commander in chief is saying. In my opinion, that's treason, but I want to hear from the brothers. I want to hear from the mightest mighty in your comments below as well. Do you think that's treason?

55:33Ben Meiselas:I think it's obviously, but that's my opinion. We're all entitled to our opinion under the First Amendment. Let's take our last quick break of the show. A reminder, hit subscribe here. Help us get to 7 million subscribers. Tell us what you think. And subscribe to the Midas Touch podcast on audio, and also subscribe to our sub stack at MidasPlus.com. Last quick break of the show. We'll be right back.

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59:48Brett Meiselas:Let's go. Shout out to our sponsors. Links in description, both the YouTube and the audio. Use the links, use the codes. If there's an exit survey, let them know we sent you. Brett, you're kind of, you're frame-mogging me in this episode today because you got the nice suit on, you're looking sharp. You're crushing me right now. You're looking really good for a night.

1:00:03Jordy Meiselas:I think you're looking good too, but I'm ready to go, you know? I'm ready for it.

1:00:08Brett Meiselas:Benji, before I toss it to Brett to comment on the clips, I just wanted to, I wanted to comment real quick. And it's just the double standard of which how the media treats Donald Trump versus how they would treat any other president at any point in time. Imagine if Biden did it. Imagine if Biden was doing all of these things that Donald Trump is going out there saying and just the utter failure, quite frankly, of what is happening right now. Donald Trump, for whatever reason, and we know the reason, it's because he owns corporate media. He owns the news stations at this point. He gets treated like he's, I don't know, like he's not Not as bad as everything that we are all witnessing with our eyes and the constant gaslighting.

1:00:51Brett Meiselas:I keep going back to that conversation that we were having earlier in the show when we were watching that local cable channel here, essentially carrying water for the Trump regime. It's just it's so infuriating to me because most Americans, they just want to be able to live. They just they want health care. They want to spend time with their families. They want to be able to save up enough to go on vacations. They just want to be able to live. And yet you're somewhere along all of this. They also have to dive in and figure out what's propaganda and what's not. And unfortunately, through the airwaves or the algorithms or whatever other entity that the Trump regime has complete ownership of, they're getting fed this streamlined propaganda right into their brains.

1:01:40Brett Meiselas:And so I just, you know, I give it up to our audience here always for continuing to press forward and to look for the facts, the data, the information, the video clips to show your inner circles because your voice, and I'm talking directly to our audience here, your voice, your individual voices are so important in pulling people out of this propaganda and actually showing them what's going on, especially as you see the ways that corporate entities treat Donald Trump with these kid gloves. It's insane to me, Brett.

1:02:10Jordy Meiselas:There are a few flashpoints, I would say, that have occurred during this second Trump administration, and the absolute disaster of the Epstein files and the way that they handled that, and the ongoing cover-up has been one of those flashpoints, and this disastrous war has been another. But I think Donald Trump is so outrageous and so beyond the pale that to kind of the average person who isn't paying as much attention as our listeners, as people who may be following this stuff online, they think that person has to be exaggerating. This person, their Trump derangement syndrome, hello. This is being a little kind of nutty.

1:02:55Jordy Meiselas:But what I feel like these moments do is they sort of knock people back to reality a little bit. And I've even seen some kind of big kind of influencers on the MAGA side of things and big accounts on the MAGA side of things suddenly be like, damn, I hate that they were right. I hate that the Midas guys were right. I hate that so-and-so was right. Because they're seeing it now. It's like you can't get around this issue. And going back to the clips that, you know, Trump was, that Ben was showing before of Trump speaking about this, one of the issues of all of Trump's comments, aside from everything about them, but one of the big issues is that, you know, you have a guy talking about misinformation and disinformation and Iran as a disinformation state and all this stuff.

1:03:41Jordy Meiselas:when Donald Trump is the biggest purveyor of disinformation and lying and all those sort of abusive behaviors that he's trying to project on others. So Trump is trying to do the same projection that he does on, you know, when he talks about Democrats, Antifa, blah, blah, blah, all that stuff. He's using the same kind of rhetoric and terminology to talk about Iran, but Donald Trump does not have the moral high ground to do it. And Donald Trump has not ever even explained what the hell this war is even about to the American people. Iraq was a horrible idea and a historic catastrophe, of course, but at least the Bush administration spent months and months and months and months trying to make their case to Congress, making their case to the American people.

1:04:26Jordy Meiselas:At least they did something. Donald Trump just jumped into this. And then the part that really, really bothers me and should bother everybody, should bother every American, I don't give a damn if you consider yourself left, right, center, Democrat, Republican, is the way that Donald Trump so callously speaks about our dead service members. Regardless of Donald Trump's stupidity in getting us into this war, I have the utmost respect for our service members in the United States. And we're learning now tonight from a new report from the Washington Post that the number of troops injured during this war has now surpassed 200.

1:05:05Jordy Meiselas:And that's according to a spokesperson from the U.S. Central Command with tents instilled in serious condition. And unfortunately, we cannot fully trust the information that is coming out of the Pentagon in this administration. We know about the deaths that have happened as a result of this war. And anytime Donald Trump is asked about it, instead of delivering a message to those families who lost loved ones, gave their lives for our country. What does Donald Trump do? That's a terrible question. That's a disgusting question. Get out of here. Next question, next question, next question. I've never seen a president ever, ever, ever even presidents that I truly did not like and disagreed with on every single level.

1:05:48Jordy Meiselas:I have never seen a president who treats our soldiers like this, especially our soldiers who died fighting for our country. It is such a disgrace, but it's no surprise, quite frankly, coming from the guy who called our dead soldiers suckers and losers for even joining the military in the first place.

1:06:08Ben Meiselas:Absolutely. I want to show you a few things right now. Number one, let me show you this clip here of Donald Trump saying that he, remember I showed you a clip before of Donald Trump saying, I didn't know who would have thought that Iran was going to attack all of its neighbors. And this clip right here, he says, I predicted everything. I knew everything that was going to happen, just like I knew they would use the Strait of Hormuz as a weapon. And I also predicted bin Laden. I knew bin Laden was going to strike on 9-11. I knew 9-11 before 9-11. Go back and read my book, I predicted 9-11, which by the way, he didn't.

1:06:49Ben Meiselas:If you go back and read the book that he references, there's like one passing reference to bin Laden and there's no prediction about 9-11. Again, just everything the guy says is a lie. But here's what he says about the strain of Hormuz. Let's play this clip.

1:07:02Brett Meiselas:I knew about the strain that it would be a weapon, which I predicted a long time ago, predicted all of this stuff. You guys were very generous in that I predict or all of it. I predicted Osama bin Laden would knock out the World Trade Center. I made that prediction a year before he did. I said, you better get him. He's a bad guy. I watched him be interviewed one time and I said, that's a bad guy. You better get him. One year before exactly, I wrote it in a book. You can even check about a year before the World Trade Center came down. President Clinton actually had a shot at him and he didn't take it.

1:07:41Brett Meiselas:Unfortunately, I'm not blaming him for that, but he didn't take it. And he ended up knocking down the World Trade Center. But I predicted that too. I predicted a lot of things. We strongly encourage him.

1:07:53Ben Meiselas:By the way, he sounds and looks not like he, if there's, I'm trying to pick my words. he, I don't, here's the thing. I don't want to use any type of kind of cognitive issue as an excuse for how malicious and disgusting he is. That's why I want to be careful because I don't want to conflate Trump's despicable maliciousness with an illness that people actually suffer from. So I want to be very respectful and careful in it. The individual who we're looking at there is is unwell pathologically, and there are other things going on as well. I think he's a deranged, sick individual, regardless of if there's something physically going on as well.

1:08:42Ben Meiselas:But just even watching that is sickening. Then I'll just show you what Donald Trump then talked about in that press conference about Cuba and how he really thinks it's going to be fun to take over Cuba. Cuba belongs to him. And again, the language that he is using, in my opinion, it's the language of Hitler, giving you my opinion, right? I have a First Amendment right, freedom of speech to give you my opinion speech. This is the language of Hitler, in my opinion, of Mussolini, of really sick authoritarians.

1:09:17Brett Meiselas:Here, play it. It's a beautiful island, great weather. They're not in a hurricane zone, which is nice for a change.

1:09:24Jordy Meiselas:They won't be asking us for money for hurricanes every week. But I think Cuba's seeing the end. You know, all my life I've been hearing about the United States and Cuba. When will the United States do it? I do believe I'll be the honor of having the

1:09:40Brett Meiselas:honor of taking Cuba. That's a big honor. Taking Cuba. In some form, yeah. Taking Cuba. Whether I free it, take it. I think I can do anything I want with it. You want another to a very weakened nation right now. They were for a long time. Very violent, very violent leaders. Tester was a very violent leader. His brother's a very violent leader, extremely violent. That's how they governed. They governed with violence. But a lot of people would like to go back okay yeah you know that's why i said i just got to show you the receipts the beginning of the episode we we tell you about what he's saying then we analyze it and then i just want to layer it in

1:10:31Ben Meiselas:with what he said so you know that this is no bait and switch i mean what the language that he used there is absolutely sick. And by the way, that repels countries that want to help us. I mean, you all know that, you know, Canada has been running a lot of missions, humanitarian missions, you know, in Cuba for a very long time. Other nations have as well. Other nations that were formerly allied with the United States care about human rights and they care about, you know, When I was watching this Nordic Canada defense event in Oslo the other day, one of the things they keep on mentioning is shared values and principles and uniting around those values and principles in common defense.

1:11:23Ben Meiselas:And that America doesn't have that, whether they say it overtly or not, that U.S. does not share these values and principles. And the United States doesn't right now, especially under Donald Trump. It doesn't. It's tragic to say this as someone here in the United States, but Donald Trump's language, when Donald Trump goes, he's a very bad guy, Donald Trump's language is of a very bad guy, representing the worst of the worst, things imaginable. And so think about, again, how Iran, how China, how they use that as well in order to influence their regency. This is what you want. Donald Trump views you as a pawn.

1:12:08Ben Meiselas:Donald Trump views you as something that he takes as a trophy as part of his imperial ambitions. That's what, you know, that's what Trump is saying out loud. And it makes us weaker. It hurts our troops. It hurts our defense posture. It hurts our ability to forge alliances. And I know that's how our generals feel, for sure. this is weakness at this is as weak as you get it just to say it is a very sad moment in history to be an american right now this is not a proud moment and i could just you know relate that to our international audience i mean especially as donald trump is threatening media with treason who speaks out against him and we're one of the biggest out there that speak out against him i don't know what's going to happen to me i don't know what's going to happen to my brothers i don't I have to think about, you know, this, why I think about this network in terms of legacy and in terms of, you know, this network living on without us.

1:13:10Ben Meiselas:Because, you know, who knows what's going to happen here? You know, I hope these episodes and what we do here and what we've helped inspire or just played a small part of, you know, continues to grow. but who knows what's going to happen in this country with a sicko authoritarian like that who you just heard right there. But this makes us weak. This makes us look pathetic. That doesn't make us look strong at all. And it's really the low point in the entire history of the United States, unprecedented in how pathetic the United States looks right now, Brett and Jordy.

1:13:45Jordy Meiselas:I could not agree more. And as you were saying, this constant attempt to project the strength and machismo only makes the United States look weaker. And all of these lies coming from Trump just continues to make us look more and more desperate. And, you know, we should also mention, Ben, we're just speaking about the media. You know, the FCC commissioner, Brendan Carr, yesterday put out a tweet essentially threatening the media and their broadcast licenses if they report what he described as fake information about the war, saying that they need to be honest, they need to be telling the truth, they need to act in the public interest.

1:14:20Jordy Meiselas:Well, the Trump administration believes that it is not in the public interest for the media to actually tell the truth about what a disaster this war has actually been. They want the media to launder this propaganda. And you would think they would even try to hide the ball a little bit on this, but they've been so blatant about it. You saw Pete Hegseth the other day at one of those deranged press conferences where he gets up there and is like, am I watching Colin Jost on SNL up here? Like, what the hell is this? What am I looking at? Like, like, it's like an unfunny, like, like, what the hell am I looking at?

1:14:54Jordy Meiselas:And yeah, you know, Hegseth made some sort of comment, uh, I think it was, you know, to a CNN reporter and he was like, oh, just wait till your new ownership takes over. Then they'll set you straight. Like typically you're not supposed to, you know, if you're a good authoritarian, you don't actually tell people that you plan on taking over the media, that you plan on having control over the narrative, but they're that bad at this, but it's still that dangerous. So many, So many people in the country are getting their information from people who are laundering government narratives, and that is incredibly dangerous.

1:15:28Jordy Meiselas:But on the contrary, on the other hand, I think we're lucky that we still have a free press in this country, even if we have a lot of these networks who are willing to bend the knee to this regime, even if they have these billions and billions and billions of dollars to spread their message. I think it's effective that we have the power of the people right now and we are able to spread our message. And, you know, when I talk about the frustration of us, a lot of you saying that you're unable to get our show on Apple Podcasts, for example, you know, that one of the reasons, the main reason that it frustrates me is because that just means another line of communication between us who are trying to deliver you these facts has been cut off.

1:16:09Jordy Meiselas:And that to me in this environment is dangerous and it's scary. And that's why, you know, I'm like, I don't know if being targeted or not. It's kind of strange that it's our show. But it's a reminder that you have a responsibility holding these facts. You have a responsibility as well listening to the show. And I hope it's kind of an active listening experience for all of you that when you get this information that you do something with it. And it doesn't mean you got to start an organization or a protest or a podcast or whatever, but just share it. Send it to a friend. Let's get these messages out there.

1:16:40Jordy Meiselas:And for those, I will say, I would say one of the top platforms that has never censored us, has never pushed us offline, that we really have just such autonomy over is our sub stack. So make sure that you are subscribed on our sub stack at MidasPlus.com. If anything ever happens to us, we'll always tell you what's going on on our sub stack. And we appreciate you for spreading these messages and getting the truth out there.

1:17:06Ben Meiselas:Absolutely. Just more reporting coming in that there are true wounded numbers, over 200 right now. That number is expected to grow 200 service members who have been wounded in this ill-fated and disastrous war, according to U.S. Central Command. Also, we're following very closely what's going on in Iraq right now, where sirens there over the U.S. Embassy in Iraq, as well as

1:17:36Ben Meiselas:their most luxurious hotel right over there in Baghdad seems to be under attack as well, although we're gathering a lot more information there. And of course, we'll be focusing that in the video we do in the morning as well. But Iran still being able to utilize its Shahid drones and missiles, you know, with some degree of precision as well. We'll keep you posted every step of the way, as always. Thanks so much for watching this episode. Always an honor to do this with my brothers here. We'll see you next time on the Midas Touch podcast. A reminder, make sure you subscribe. help us get to 7 million subscribers and help us continue to grow this platform on audio.

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1:18:18Jordy Meiselas:And I'll say this, I know a lot of people are having trouble with Apple. I don't want you to keep trying Apple and keep rating and stuff there because it's important we stay up in the charts so the information gets out there. And I know some of you, a lot of you have gotten the feedback, which is great. If you're still not, another option is to use like any other podcast app. So if you have Spotify, you could go to Spotify, add the show on Spotify, leave reviews on Spotify. There are like a bajillion apps I could spend the rest of the day naming. But everywhere else it seems to be working, Apple right now seems to be the issue.

1:18:47Jordy Meiselas:And so we're going to keep calling it out. We're going to keep talking to them and see what the hell is going on. But we're really grateful for all your support, honestly, from the bottom of our hearts for allowing us to get this information to you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you so much. And Jordan, I get to hear one of these live in the flesh right now. Watch your ear. I'm really close to you. Let's do it, let's do it.

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