MeidasTouch Full Podcast - 5/29/26

19:13Jordy Meiselas:Every single day, they seem to be changing the terms as to what they want in these negotiations. And what this kind of did, though, is that it put it out in the forefront, right? We're seeing right now Donald Trump changing the terms of these agreements in real time. Before, you know, we had he had all these other demands about, you know, nuclear and this and that, none of which are being reached at all. This right now has essentially become we just need to open up the Strait of Hormuz, which was open before the war, which shows you how much of a failure this thing has become. It hasn't become we need to get freedom for the Iranian people.

19:46Jordy Meiselas:No, it's become we need to open up the Strait of Hormuz, something that was already open before. But this, to me, shows you Donald Trump's kind of strategy of moving the goalposts in order so that he has an excuse not to get the deal, to try to act like Iran is being the irrational actor here. When everything Donald Trump says about Iran and their inability to communicate and their inability to figure out what they actually want is actually what's happening in the Trump regime. It's more psychological projection coming right now from Donald Trump and the people around Donald Trump. But to at this point in these negotiations to all of a sudden throw in that Saudi Arabia and all these other countries need to join the Abraham Accord, something that's complete nonstarter.

20:27Jordy Meiselas:It just shows that you're not serious about this. And anytime you get close to a deal, he's almost looking for a way out of the deal. I think it's just very revealing of the posture of the United States and how these aren't good faith actors going into these negotiations. Also, I think that the entire scam has really been exposed between what the US and Israel has been doing and the language that they use throughout these attacks. And this is certainly not something new, but nobody has been more brazen about this than Donald Trump, the Trump regime and Netanyahu. And you see it play out all over the world, right?

21:04Jordy Meiselas:When you have Netanyahu out there, he's leveling Gaza or he's leveling Lebanon. What does he say? Oh, it was a preemptive strike. We were going after Hamas. It was defensive. We had to defend ourselves. We had to protect ourselves. When the United States goes and starts attacking Iran, it was preemptive. We had to defend ourselves. We had to do it before they nuked us. They would have nuked the whole country. I mean, the fact that you could even say with a straight face, with these last strikes over the past few days, the United States struck Iran Monday, and then Wednesday. And the fact that you could even say that those are defensive strikes.

21:41Jordy Meiselas:I mean, you know where Iran is on a map and the United States is on a map. Y 'all are 6 ,000, what, 6 ,000, 7 ,000 miles away from each other. And so you're now claiming that it's defensive when you are way over here, when you were the ones who initiated this war. And now you are bombing on Iranian land once again, saying that it was preemptive because you were worried that they looked at you the wrong way or that they were going to attack you. Like these excuses to me, to any sort of basic, under any sort of basic scrutiny, just don't seem to work. And like, they just say it anywhere, right? It's like, there's a boat in the Pacific Ocean.

22:16Jordy Meiselas:Oh, we had to bomb it. We had to, we had to protect the American people. Like, are people really falling for this crap? It seems to be the most brazen way to provide some sort of justification, no matter how loose that justification is to just go around the world, bully people, blow people up, kill people. There's no actual reasoning behind really any of this stuff. And I think it's just more transparent than ever in 2026 when you just see how brazen that they are being with these arguments.

22:46Brett Meiselas:Absolutely. And like, in my opinion, so long as Trump can continue to run this sort of market manipulation play with folks like Barack Ravid and Axios doing their bidding for Trump. Trump doesn't care. He doesn't care how long this goes on because he doesn't care what the American person's paying at the pump. He doesn't care at all. He doesn't care what danger he's putting the United States troops in. He doesn't care about that. So long as Trump and his oligarch buddies could basically run up the market, they're fine with this continuing. I think that's why we see the goalposts being moved. I'm not a loser and he does not know how to make a deal if he ever did you know when he actually was in business let alone now the president of of this country he doesn't know what he's doing and so his only play i guess is to is to grift and to get his oligarch buddies super friggin rich along the way and so i think he's gotten really friggin comfortable here about where in the position about where and the position that we're in right now with the war he doesn't care he doesn't care how much this hurts the American person.

23:53Brett Meiselas:He doesn't care how much it hurts our soldiers. He'll just keep doing this. I think that's why it feels so repetitive day after day. He's also trapped himself, right? I would get the alarms from Ravid and Axios. It's so stupid.

24:04Jordy Meiselas:He's trapped himself also. There's no good option. And for all intents and purposes, Donald Trump has lost this war. It's a complete and total humiliation. And it's just undeniable at this point. Go through every single listed objective, and these objectives have been shifting the entire time, but the United States has completely failed throughout this war. So what happens when you lose a war? Well, you have to make concessions to the other party, but those concessions would make things much worse off for the United States than before the war, for the United States than with the negotiated agreement that Oman was looking over prior to this war starting without any of the bloodshed, without the billions and billions, if not trillions of dollars spent on this war.

24:50Jordy Meiselas:This could have all been avoided, and the United States could have actually ended up with a better deal, possibly a better deal than the JCPOA, the Obama bill, at least per what the reporting was at the time. But Donald Trump did not choose to do the negotiation route. He chose to do this route. And quite frankly, when Donald Trump continues to bring up Israel as his justification for everything that he's doing, to me, if you are the most ardent supporter of Israel, you should be appalled by Donald Trump doing that because it's just feeding in to every single thing that has been apparent from the start of this, the reason why Donald Trump entered it, his association with Netanyahu, the way him and Netanyahu have been working together, and Netanyahu and Ben Gavir say to Donald Trump publicly making statements.

25:39Jordy Meiselas:We will not let them make a deal without us approving it. Tying those things together to me is probably the most damaging thing possible to Israel, to the United States, to this entire relationship. I think it's one of the reasons you're seeing such anger right now, because people are sick of this, the lies and the deception and this framing around it all, And people leading us in to more war that just simply does not need to take place. It's not an American first thing. Yet we just keep seeing this every day. And Donald Trump just is so quick to mention Israel as an excuse also for all of his actions.

26:20Jordy Meiselas:I think it's just no good for anybody here.

26:22Ben Meiselas:Yeah. Well, I mean, it's because that's what's happening. You know, that's what's going on. And so that's why. You know, I also think that the Supreme Court's absolute immunity decision, which basically said, look, he can't be charged with murder. He can't. As long as he says it's a function of Article two, you know, there's no ramifications. I think that also gives this kind of free reign of, well, I'm going to kill this person. I'm going to kill that. Look, I'm just going to rip down the East Wing. I'm going to go to war and I'm not even going to try to pitch it to the people. I'm not even going to try to explain why I'm doing it right.

26:57Ben Meiselas:I mean the foreign policy version of ripping down the East Wing. I don't care. Just rip it down. We'll deal with it later. I'll just freaking bomb it. I'll bomb Oman. I'll bomb you. I'll bomb this. I'll bomb that. And then we'll deal with it later and then we'll figure it out. Well, guess what? Later comes up. The bill becomes due. And people are like, okay, well, what are you doing? What are you going to do right now? And his move is what he's done his entire life, which is the fraud. We've done it. We control it. We control the straighter. We're winning. We did it. They don't have leadership.

27:27Ben Meiselas:OK, well, you can keep on doing this, but what? The last time he did this with COVID, fortunately, he loses the election. Somebody else comes in, fixes it. Very difficult to fix it. Inflation surges. We suffer. The person who's fixing it, Biden, gets blamed for it. He fixes it. He gets us out of it. We start heading in the right direction as we're kind of making this gentle, soft landing that nobody thought was possible. Trump wins the election. And then it's like, you know, when those planes are landing and then they come back up and then they don't make the, then it goes back up and then the turbulence, you know, hits again.

28:06Ben Meiselas:The big problem right now is that, yes, we have the midterms coming up. We don't have a general for another two years happening. And so unlike the 2020 COVID version of this, we are now, is he going to drag this out for 18 months? Is this where we're going to be two years from now? Look, it's clear what needs to happen. What needs to happen is he needs to make the deal. Iran. Iran and Oman control the Strait of Ramoos symbolically. That's what will likely need to happen. Then there'll be some other kind of international guarantees that can be layered on top of that, that if there isn't any free passage, that that status can be revoked.

28:42Ben Meiselas:No one likes that, but that's likely what needs to happen right now. Iran will enter into a JCPOA style deal. That'll look like the Obama deal. You bring that in, you give sanctions, relief to Iran. You either write him a check or you unfreeze$26 billion, and you come up with a containment strategy. Maybe you lean on China. Maybe you lean on Europe. You lean on a broader coalition to ensure that the Strait of Ramos doesn't get closed again. You have to concede a little bit because you didn't win. Your objectives weren't achieved. The Strait of Ramos opens up. we try to focus on domestic issues and the economy.

29:23Ben Meiselas:And maybe the US rethinks also its position about having bases in the Middle East in the first place. And we don't need a$1. trillion. Maybe you can spin this as a positive. Why do we need$1.5 trillion? Let's put that money to domestic issues and let's figure out a different security structure that leans more on NATO or leans more on foreign countries as well to deal with it. And we focus on domestic. To me, it's something more along those lines that needs to happen. It seems pretty obvious, but continuing to just be frozen isn't a solution. And then having people like Scott Jennings, who gets destroyed by Adam Mockler on CNN, go, this is a great deal.

30:08Ben Meiselas:We won. I mean, he just made a post like that today. This is an amazing, we've gotten everything we wanted. This is a real post from a human being, Scott Jennings, who CNN has on. Looks like a huge win for President Trump in the U.S. Hearing from a senior administration official this report is true, and the U.S. appears to be getting everything we want. What does that even mean? What are you talking about? Like when you say something like that, you should never be able to say anything again, like on this topic. You know how you know the U.S.

30:38Jordy Meiselas:has not gotten everything that the U.S. wants? because Donald Trump hasn't signed a deal, because no one signed a deal. If a deal came to you and it was everything you'd want, you'd say, oh, this is everything I want. We have a deal. Not, this isn't actually a deal. We'll have to think about it for a little bit. We'll see what happens. Not only is Jennings featured on CNN, but Scott Jennings is paid by CNN. He's a paid contributor correspondent on CNN. It really is atrocious. And who retweeted that? Effectively, I know they say retweets are an endorsement, but screw that. Who retweeted the statement by Scott Jennings?

31:18Jordy Meiselas:Barack Ravid of Axios, apparently agreeing that this is the US getting everything we want. It's so disingenuous. And this is the corporate media that we have to deal with, right? This is the environment that we have to deal with. And I bet you just listed a whole array of issues in our country and the destruction of our country by Donald Trump. And that's why our great corporate media here apparently is laser focused on the issues that matter. Donald Trump, Joe Biden's debate in 2024, laser focused still. Laser focused on Joe Biden.

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36:00Brett Meiselas:But like the Scott Jennings aspect of this all is just so deeply pathetic because I think it's just a larger symptom of what's wrong with our corporate media. Like the fact that he is a paid contributor on CNN and purports to be this like, I'm calling balls and strikes type of guy. And like, that's how they frame him over there at the network. And he's just a shill. Like there are so many shills for this Trump regime. And it's so utterly pathetic. Like the fact that he would go out of his way to talk about what a win this is, you know, quote tweeting Barack Ravid's tweet about the deal for the Trump regime and all.

36:32Brett Meiselas:It's just so pathetic. And it's just because he also, he thinks so little of you, like the viewer, he thinks so little of, of the American person. And he thinks he's like this, like big time celebrity. The guy is a loser, like capital L loser who debases himself every chance he gets to just, I don't know, keep Donald Trump happy. It's weird.

36:53Jordy Meiselas:I don't think anyone's confusing him though for a guy who just calls balls and strikes or like some centrist or whatever. I mean, he is a shill. He presents as a shill. He's like the Trump White House unofficial spokesperson.

37:06Brett Meiselas:I'm just saying that's like his sort of shtick, at least he puts forward.

37:09Jordy Meiselas:I almost think it's worse, right? I think it's they really want to appeal. They think it's more important not to appeal to the actual center of the country or the things that most Americans actually agree on. But they would prefer to put somebody who is MAGA on their show so that they could appeal to the Trump administration. I think it's given the Trump administration something. Like, we're going to take your voice and we're going to put you on CNN and we are going to try to blend it in as just one of these other voices, right? It's just this both sides thing. So we're going to have Scott Jennings and then we'll have somebody like Adam Mockler who's actually telling the truth and who's actually telling you facts.

37:47Jordy Meiselas:And we'll leave it to you to decide. Maybe the truth is just somewhere in the middle of this extreme MAGA guy and the actual facts that are out there. And Jennings gets reports direct. I mean, he said it in that post that we showed, right? He gets his reports directly from the White House. They tell him what to say on the air, and then he says it. He is quite literally their mouthpiece from everything that I hear, from everything that I've seen from him. And so I really, I think it's almost more devious. And I think it's part of the effort and part of the thing that we're seeing, this moral rot that we're seeing throughout all of a lot of these corporate media stations and what's happening right now at CBS, you know, and think about how much worse this is going to get when the merger is completed, right?

38:29Jordy Meiselas:You're going to have more pressure on these networks because they want to buddy up. They want that access to the Trump White House to bring in more people like that and to try to act like that is kind of where people are at, even though it is so offensive to just anybody who has like a half a brain cell.

38:49Ben Meiselas:Well, look, when you gamify politics and it's just a bunch of shouting, it actually makes lots of people want to tune out and not tune in, which is kind of part of the plan. And when corporate media is run by their kind of corporate oligarchical overlords, the media aspect is sometimes a lost leader in their other agenda. And when you can keep the masses very confused and uneducated and wanting to just stay out, they're able to do massive amounts of grift and criming and quid pro quo and market manipulation because people are just like, eh, this whole, I don't like politics. It's all bad. It's gross.

39:36Ben Meiselas:I'm just going to, I'm just going to do what I'm going to do and not pay attention to any of it because I don't even want to tune into all of the yelling. And I think that's, I'm just so overwhelmed by all of these things that are happening. And that's a reaction that's, I understand why humans would feel that way with all of this being pushed on them. And then you layer on top of it, someone who's really loud and obnoxious, like Jennings, who's saying, you don't know what you're talking about. And let me explain it. It's like, ah, stop, you're an idiot.

40:06Jordy Meiselas:I thought that was Mark Levin for a second.

40:08Ben Meiselas:Right, whatever. But that's Mark Levin, all of them, just like, ugh. I thought that was Howard Levin. Just give me the truth. Like, there's been one impression. Yeah, it's one impression. Just give me the truth and tell me what actually is happening. Just think about this morning. You wake up, they announce a fake peace deal. Who does that? You're announcing a fake peace deal that isn't real while everyone knows there's a war going on. You're covering up child sex trafficking wings right now. You're covering up the Epstein files. You have Donald Trump having his DOJ launch a criminal investigation into E.

40:45Ben Meiselas:Jean Carroll, who sued Donald Trump in federal court. And a unanimous jury found that Donald Trump sexually assaulted her. A unanimous jury found that Donald Trump sexually assaulted E. Jean Carroll and also defamed her about it. Then there was another trial, and Trump was again found liable for defamation. Trump appealed. He lost in front of the Second Circuit Court of Appeal. Trump argued, she wasn't telling the truth about this. She wasn't telling the truth about that. The Second Circuit Court of Appeals disagreed. The jury disagreed. The federal judge disagreed. And now a survivor whose rights were vindicated in a court, not a made up January 6 slush fund with people appoint.

41:35Ben Meiselas:No, our system, a court system, a jury, a judge found in favor of E. Jean Carroll. Then Trump launches the Department of Justice to investigate her for saying she lied in the trial that she won. Then you have Donald Trump file lawsuits against the Wall Street Journal using Ghislaine Maxwell as a character witness. Ghislaine Maxwell, when she spoke to my former criminal defense attorney, who's now the top federal prosecutor in the country, the acting AG, said that she didn't know if I actually wrote this letter to Epstein for his 50th birthday. And she put the birthday card together. So if she doesn't know and Wall Street Journal wrote about it, then clearly I'm vindicated and that this is defaming me.

42:25Ben Meiselas:And people are like, what are you saying? You're citing Ghislaine Maxwell as your character witness in an amended complaint? You You find out that Don Jr. works with a small North Carolina company that all of a sudden got a$650 million loan from the government to do defense work. And now they're valued at$2 billion. And Don Jr. has a heavy interest or stake in this company and then tried to downplay his role. What are you telling him? Donald Trump wants his face on a$250 bill, which he's not even allowed to do. Living presidents, living people can't put their face on currency. It's against longstanding law.

43:13Ben Meiselas:And then you want your, you want your few, then threaten the Bureau of Engravings to put your face on a$250. You want to create a new currency while inflation is, what's he doing? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What does the White House look like? What are you building? It looks like a dumpster. You're building this thing that looks like some weird roller coaster, county fair from hell in front of the White House. There's this big asbestos pit where the East Wing used to stand. The White House looks like this grotesque demolished thing. What are you doing? You want Milli Vanilli to perform in Vanilla Ice?

43:57Ben Meiselas:The Treasury Secretary is holding up Trump's$250 bill, and he looks like he's right out of that land where the Grinch lives. He looks like he can be - He really does look like a who? You paint the guy green, he looks like the Grinch. I mean, holding up this, you got what in the world? Milli Vanilli, Vanilla Ice are representing the United States at the 250th anniversary. And then you have some of these other acts are quit. What is happening right now? So I'm just, I could keep on going on and on and on. He wants to create 24 carat gold horses in the White House. And that's what he's focused on right now, doing golden horses around Washington, D.C.

44:45Ben Meiselas:And so you could wake up and with all of those things that I said, you could be like, all right, I'm just going to go do my job. I'm not going to pay attention to anything. I don't like politics. And then I'm going to go and have lunch. And I'm going to go back home. I'm going to watch some Netflix or whatever and go to sleep. And I'm going to act like none of this is happening. Okay? That's what a lot of people think. They want to overwhelm you with all of these things. And the problem is though, where you can't look away is that this stuff is connected to what your lived experience is right now.

45:26Ben Meiselas:Your lived experience, why you're suffering, why you struggle to pay rent or pay your mortgage, if you're lucky enough to even have a mortgage, why you work so hard, but don't get paid what you deserve and that your pay isn't commensurate with the rise in inflation. Why you can't afford gas or groceries or all of these things is because they've got you siloed or they want to distract from all of this while they go and engage in the biggest grift and the biggest looting of your taxpayer money. They're taking your money to enrich themselves while they stock trade from inside the White House. 3 ,800 stock trades while the market is being manipulated, in my opinion, over and over again.

46:15Ben Meiselas:A new trade every nine damn minutes taking place right now while you're out there being screwed. And then as we approach the midterms, it's the same damn playbook over and over and over again. What do they do? Ooh, James Tallarico. You're a freak-o. James Frico tofu boy. You're transgender. You're transgender. Nanny nanny poo poo. Six genders. Six genders. Oh, do you have a girlfriend? Are you gay? Are you a gay boy? Are you transgender? And it's like, what are you doing? Stop. Stop attacking marginalized communities. Stop with this vile rhetoric. Stop with this crap. Stop behaving like elementary school bullies who don't even behave this bad.

47:11Ben Meiselas:Treat human beings with humanity. Treat human beings with decency. All humanity deserves to be loved and cherished and their civil rights respected. Are you a vegan, a vegan? Oh, in Texas, you don't like that barbecue? You don't want barbecue? And it's I'm an eighth generation Texan. I like barbecue. If I'm vegan, what's wrong with that? If I'm gay, what's wrong with that? If I'm transgender, what's wrong with that? Stop with it. And that's what they go with. That's their whole shtick. Oh, and the immigrants are coming to get you, the illegal aliens. I mean, did you see what they did right before we went live?

47:52Ben Meiselas:The White House today was posting, the aliens are coming. We have a new secret initiative that's coming. The aliens, this, the alien, people like, what are you doing? The aliens, they walk among us. And then they released this horrifically like racist thing where they do an illegal alien tracker because that's what they call migrants, illegal aliens. And they go instead, countless presidents, congressmen, and senior officials knew exactly what was happening. Instead of protecting American citizens, they chose to cover it up and even accelerate the invasion until one man finally had the courage to tell the truth.

48:30Ben Meiselas:Then it goes on to say, aliens have been walking among us, living in our neighborhoods and interacting with us in our daily lives. They've shopped in some of the same stores, attended some of the same classes as our children and lived seemingly normal human existences with one exception. They do not belong here. And as you read what they're saying here, this is straight out of a Nazi playbook. Oh, and then God forbid you call them Nazis. God forbid you call them out. God forbid you curse at them. And these little snowflakes, they run and start whining. You called me a name. Oh, the Democrats are unhinged.

49:11Ben Meiselas:Oh, you're calling me names. These idiots get to lie about everything, make up everything that isn't real, bully, name call, dehumanize, round up, use the government to tread on people like never before, invade your privacy, spy on you, all of the stuff they accuse the others they're doing. And you call them out. And what do they do? It's like Scott Jennings with Adam Mockler. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. And then even, you know, the Abby Phillips, the host, both of you, calm down. Both of you. What do you mean both of you? Adam Mockler was making points. And then Scott Jennings was like, don't you put your finger F you, F you.

49:57Ben Meiselas:And it's like, they're all like that over and over again. The moment you punch back, they go into victimhood right away. Oh my God. It's so unfair. You're weaponized. That's who they are. That's their character right now. We have to recognize what's going on. And you take a look right here. You have the RNC chair, that guy Gruters, he goes on. He's like, all right, Tala Frico. This is the head of the RNC. How about you just address what the American people are going through? Here, play this clip. Tala Frico is a creep and he thinks he's a vegan. He thinks God is non-binary. He wants to mutilate children.

50:40Ben Meiselas:He wants to put boys and girls locker rooms. People are done with that. That's if you We looked at the autopsy the Democrats put out. It's simple. All those things and the fact that they are openly supporting communists and socialists. People don't want the United States Senate. Certainly the voters in Texas don't want that. We think Paxton will win. We'll think it's, we think it's a red seat. Hands down, we're not gonna have any issues heading into November. We're happy with Paxton and we're gonna do everything we can to make sure he's successful. We're happy with the guy. He was indicted for securities fraud.

51:11Ben Meiselas:He was impeached by his own party. he's got the mistress and the guy who he helped, you know, with all the political favors to then get the mistress the job. And then they're living in a house together for millions of dollars,

51:23Jordy Meiselas:which was his own wife, uh, divorced him and cited biblical grounds for the divorce when she divorced him. That's why, you know, they run this playbook every time. Right. And, and, and we saw them run this playbook and a lot of people were like, oh, that's why they won in, you know, in this has more power, ironically, when the economy is on the up and up. But when people are suffering and you're still going back to this bullshit, I just don't think it hits the way that they think it hits at this point. And it also just goes to show you, because I feel like I've heard a thousand times at this point from folks after the 2024 election.

52:03Jordy Meiselas:And as people are legitimately scared of just elections in general, and Democrats need to nominate the right person and we need to get away from this Trump scourge. And so you see a lot of people who want to kind of play it safe and who go, you know, with the next, you know, I've heard this from a lot of well-meaning people, like the next Democratic nominee should be, you got to do a straight white guy because they're not going to be able to go after a straight white guy. Like, listen, you can't be giving them anything. I think the whole Tallarico thing kind of puts that to bed, doesn't it? Like Tallarico, straight white guy, Christian and actual Christian.

52:41Jordy Meiselas:If anything, this is like one of the most black and white moral tests or religious tests, whatever you want to call it, that you could possibly give these voters who consider themselves ultra religious, right? You've got an actual religious guy in Tallarico, and then you got this just grotesque person, someone who violates every commandment like Donald Trump in Paxton, and they try to dangle out he's a vegan and all this stuff. Think about the names that they called Joe Biden, who is no leftist, right? They called Joe Biden. They would say he's a communist. He's a Marxist. They would say, but what was Donald Trump's line that he would say at the rallies?

53:22Jordy Meiselas:He hates God. He's against God. He wants to destroy God. Joe Biden goes to church every Sunday. Joe Biden has received communion his entire life. Donald Trump, like Paxton, these are all people who are frauds, absolute frauds, violate every single tenant of every religion out there. Yet they will smear people no matter what. They will call Barack Obama a Marxist. They will call Tallarico tofu Tallarico. They will call, say, Tallarico the vegan. They will say, oh, he's gay. He's a dweeb. They throw all this stuff out. It doesn't matter to them because the scripts are basically pre-written. They don't have anything to actually sell to people.

54:06Jordy Meiselas:And so you have going out there, you have someone like a Tallarico speaking about wanting to help people, speaking about the way that he could actually improve people's lives. And the things that you're hearing from people like the head of the RNC are just these smears, just these slurs. And like Ben said, the second you give them one tenth, one hundredth of that energy, they cry because the only thing that's more of a superpower, and I don't use that in a positive sense. The only thing that's more of a superpower to them than their shamelessness in their bullying is their shamelessness in playing the victim.

54:42Jordy Meiselas:They get off on playing the victim. They are perpetual victims. And this is the strategy from Donald Trump to Ken Paxton, to Stephen Miller, to Scott Jennings, you name it. They're all whiny. That's why you got to stand up to them. And that's why you cannot accept their framing of things. If you're going into, whether it's an election or a debate or whatever it is, and your mindset is, I need to adjust the way I'm thinking about this because I want to appeal to this person, or we could win this argument. If only we should, it's not going to work. Don't live by their framing. Stand up for your values.

55:20The average voter out there isn't thinking in terms of these

55:24Jordy Meiselas:binaries of left versus right, like the corporate media does. It's much more complex. And you'd have a lot of people who Fox might brand as leftist, leftist, leftist, who would consider themselves actually moderate, who would say, you know what's moderate? Making sure that people have healthcare, making sure that people could afford to buy homes. I think these are moderate policies, make sure teachers are paid what they're supposed to be paid. But you will have Fox calling those people radical, leftist, Marxist, communist, whatever it is, no matter what. So stop falling for their BS.

55:58Brett Meiselas:And we've read so perfectly said, and we've seen it here at the network too, right? How everyone always tries to frame us, not everyone, but like the Fox news of the world, the radical left network Midas touch. It's like, why are we radical left? Because we think people should have healthcare? Because we think people should be paid an actual living wage? That's a radical left policy. I think it says a lot more about you labeling us radical left network than And it does about us who want these basic human rights. I mean, what's wrong with you? Why don't you want these basic human rights for people?

56:27Brett Meiselas:And Ben, you said it perfectly too, man. The second you try to hold these loser MAGA's accountable and call them out on their BS, they become the world's biggest babies. They play victim, they cry, they try and say, ah, cancel culture, see, look, they always try and cancel me. Now, maybe it's just because you're doing horrible shit and you should be called on that, that people are upset with you or that they just don't have any more time for your BS. This is a time when I think we sort of reclaim this country in a really positive way and stop allowing these MAGAs to sort of get away with this.

57:03Brett Meiselas:Oh, but you're canceling me. No, shut up. You're a loser. Stephen Miller, you're a loser, dude. You're all ahead of the RNC. You're a loser, dude. And there's nothing wrong with me saying that because you don't care about the American people. There's nothing cool about not caring about the American people. It doesn't make you cool. are you going to call tariko a vegan okay you weirdo we're going to fight for health care we're going to fight for human rights here in this country and actually try and do some progress here and y 'all could keep you know calling us names or in this weird stuff but we're not going

57:31Ben Meiselas:to have it all right let's take our last quick break of the show a quick reminder hit subscribe help us get to 7 million subscribers we're so close to hitting 7 million subscribers let's get there in the next 60 days. Let's get there. I was going to say, let's get there before Donald, I want to see a peace deal entered. So I want the peace deal to beat us to 7 million subscribers. But help us get to 7 million subscribers. Also become a member, click join on our YouTube channel. And if you're able to afford memberships, it really helps our channel when you join. And then if you gift memberships to others, the people who can't afford memberships, That goes a long way as well, and it helps grow our channel.

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1:01:30Ben Meiselas:Let's go to Democratic Senator Coons. He made an appearance on Fox. They wanted to talk constantly about former President Biden's 2024 debate. And I think Senator Coons had the perfect response. Here's what he had to say.

1:01:43Brett Meiselas:She thought he was having a stroke. It's inexplicable as a wife why you wouldn't stop the whole thing right then and go straight to a hospital. What's your what's your take on what she's saying now? frankly my take is that as i've gone up and down the state of delaware in the last couple of days nobody's asked me about joe biden's debate performance in 2024 they've asked me about

1:02:08Jordy Meiselas:the rising price of gas they've asked me about trump's tariffs they've asked me about insecurity and instability because of an unresolved war in iran that is not going well as someone who cares

1:02:20Brett Meiselas:for President Biden. I, too, was concerned about what that several-second pause meant, what was happening at the moment. But I was with President Biden earlier today. We were at the funeral of a friend of ours, someone who long served as the mayor of Wilmington, and he's fine. I see regular incidents where President Trump falls asleep in meetings in the middle of the day, makes no sense in answering questions. And frankly, what I think the average Delawarean wants to hear is what are we going to do to lower their costs? And what are we going to do to avoid future pointless wars overseas? Two things President Trump ran on when he was successfully elected in 2024.

1:03:02Brett Meiselas:Well, I mean, we can go back and forth, you know, on the cognitive abilities of President Trump versus what was quite obvious from President Biden. President Trump answers like 30 to 100 questions every single day from the press most days. Well, Martha, the question he hasn't answered is, what's our goal in this war in Iran? Yeah. No, I think it is significant because I think there was a lot of cover-up, frankly, of his condition, and I think that you probably were part of that. What's the goal of the war in Iran? and if the goal of the war in iran is to prevent iran from ever having a nuclear weapon secretary hegseth couldn't explain that strategy and he couldn't explain how the war in iran is going to help make us more secure and lower the costs that americans are facing well because

1:03:54Jordy Meiselas:of the closure of the strait of hormuz that's what's in front of them that's where we started this interview with the threats that we ought to be focusing on we have to deal with the threat I don't know.

1:04:04Ben Meiselas:We have to deal with the threats. Sure. Donald Trump's own team said that Iran did not pose an imminent threat. They made the situation. If I'm Iran right now, what are you looking at? You're looking at North Korea, right? Kim Jong-un today bragging about his nukes. by Kim Jong-un posing for photos in front of gigantic nuclear weapons. Remember when former President Obama would get blamed for every non-nuclear test that Kim Jong-un would do? They'd be like, eight missiles launched today. And be like, oh my God, Obama wore a tan suit, number one. Number two, Kim Jong-un launched missile tests in the ocean.

1:04:49Ben Meiselas:And it would be like, Obama's fault. Like, okay, but there was no nuclear weapons. There was containment. Obama responded by strengthening alliances with South Korea and Japan. There was a strategy put in place. Biden furthered that strategy of leaning into allies in the Pacific with a kind of a Pacific first strategy, recognizing that's how you contain Kim Jong-un. That's how you contain China. That's how you contain Russia. That's part of your geopolitical framework. And so if you're Iran, you're like, okay, every day that passes, why don't we use this to, I mean, why don't we use this to our advantage to it too?

1:05:31Ben Meiselas:I mean, Iran's claimed publicly. This is what they've said. There was a religious edict to this extent, and they've said publicly, we just want uranium enrichment for civilian purposes. Whether you believe that or not, that's what they've said. You had the JCPOA, which inspected it and showed that they were complying with the international support of the JCPOA. If they didn't comply, you'd be able to have massive public support at an international level to take action at the UN level through multilateral processes and not just kind of go it alone, Donald Trump and Netanyahu. But if you're Iran, there's no reason that you would allow these trade-off removes out of your control.

1:06:14Ben Meiselas:You may open it, but you'd still want to control it because if there's a violation, you know the lever is to close it. And you're looking at North Korea and you're saying, got it. We need a nuclear weapon because that's the only way to stop this constant barrage. And North Korea said today, Kim Jong-un says, there will absolutely and forever be no denuclearization of North Korea. That was their statement. By the way, you won't hear this make a headline pretty much anywhere, you know, other than a few places, right? Like that's a pretty big story. Also, you won't hear that Israel demolished the entire city or major parts of the city of Sir, Tyre, T-Y-R-E, they call it Sir in Arabic, escalating things there.

1:07:02Ben Meiselas:You won't hear about, Donald Trump says there's a ceasefire. No, there's not. There's not a ceasefire. And others are reporting that Israel is pushing behind the scenes for Trump to kill, for the United States to assassinate M.B. Goluboff, Iran's parliament leader and lead negotiator. And that seemed to be the strategy the entire time, right, as this war was about to start and starting. Kill all of the negotiators. You all remember Ali Larajani? He was one of the chiefs. We don't hear his name because he got killed, you know, early on. He was, you know, in terms of finding a moderate voice, he was one of the more moderate voices there to do a deal with.

1:07:41Ben Meiselas:And you kill Larajani. And who do you get? You get this guy, Vahidi, you know, who's an IRGC, you know, lifer who's out there and is far more entrenched than Larajani, you know. And so that's where this goes. And as a result of, you know, this destructive policy, as I mentioned, this new international security architecture being formed. We saw Canada and Prime Minister Carney agree to purchase the Saab Global Eye from Sweden. They are still doing their reevaluation of the F-35s, where I think Canada is moving closer to getting the Gripen, which is the fighter jet that competes with the F-35. But for now, Canada did not buy the United States E-7, which is the model above the century, which is the E3 AWAC, Canada went and bought the global eye and announced that at CANSEC, which is the big Canadian defense forum.

1:08:36Ben Meiselas:We saw a big announcement between Norway and France, Norway saying it's agreeing to participate in France's security umbrella that France has worked with the UK, Poland, Lithuania, other countries projecting nuclear strength. You saw a meeting between the UK and Poland entering into defense alliances there. The world is changing. The world is shifting. We cover it every day. And the US, you know what? You had Marco Rubio show up in New Delhi. There was no one to visit, no one to really greet him when he showed up in India. It was this bizarre trip that he took to India where no fanfare. Modi didn't even want to meet with him, he seemed.

1:09:23Ben Meiselas:It's like Loserville with the United States right now. And so as I mentioned, what does it do? Attacks fishing boats in the Pacific and Southcom announced more murders of people in fishing boats. The US secretly entering into a deal with Guatemala to start blowing up things in Guatemala and claiming they're a narco terrorist that it's blowing up there. Same type of arrangement it has in Ecuador. What the bigger picture is, as Maria Abib explains, is normalize the presence of U.S. troops bombing things throughout the Western Hemisphere and basically encircle Mexico to do a soft invasion of Mexico and to start bombing sites in Mexico at will to assert hegemony over Mexico.

1:10:11Ben Meiselas:You see the U.S. circling Cuba and threatening to invade Cuba. And guess where the Trump regime went to give information about the Cuba invasion today? Axios. Axios was reporting today that there may be so much chaos erupting in Cuba as a result of the sanctions and the blockade that the people of Cuba are getting ready to rise up against the Cuban regime and that the Trump regime is making preparations for summer war plans if the Cuban people rise up. And it's just, I want you to think about this with the way U.S. propaganda is being used to support a 1 trillion or 1.5 trillion military industrial complex.

1:11:01Ben Meiselas:Think about that propaganda machine when it's turned on against James Tolerico, when that machine is turned on against Gavin Newsom, when that machine is turned on against whoever, think about it. When they say, oh, it looks like Newsom cares more about smelt fish than the fires. And you go, well, that's ridiculous. No one believes that. And then they pump that every day. Newsom forgot to turn on the faucet, everybody. And if he turned on the faucet, we could have put out the fire. You're like, come on, nobody believes such a thing. And then they pump that every day. And then before you know it, you start speaking to people about it.

1:11:47Ben Meiselas:And by the way, people who aren't just even right-wing people, and they're like, hey, you hear about the smelt? They're like, no, come on, that's reaching you? There's not a smelt issue. What are you talking about? And so we should never forget that this entire apparatus is being created here to manipulate minds, brainwash, hoist up the oligarchy, allow the rich to get richer, allow the corruption to happen in plain view and let them get away with it while they pillage, loot and steal and crime. And that it's not just simply MAGA, it's part of an international authoritarian fascist movement. You look at what's going on in Europe.

1:12:37Ben Meiselas:You look at the movements there that are taking place. You look at Putin's tactics. You look at what's happening. And there's a broader force at play here. And ultimately, when we talked about the Epstein files and the Epstein class, I think one of the big revelations is that the group of people who told you that they were going after the cabal were the cabal. And they were saying these things that sounded so outlandish, but they were the ones puppeteering these events. Bitcoin in 2012, 2013. Epstein's talking about it there. Manipulation of currency before Russia annexes Crimea. Epstein's on the emails talking about it all.

1:13:28Ben Meiselas:The meetings before Helsinki with Trump and Putin. Epstein's talking about meeting with Lavrov to prep before that meeting took place. You know, I don't want, I like the movie Forrest Gump, so I don't want to bring Forrest Gump in here, but, you know, I mean, compare Epstein to Forrest Gump, but like Epstein was in all of these places. And so one of the reasons that Trump, for many reasons, wanted to suppress the Epstein files is because, you know, what was the game? Like Seven Degrees of Bacon, Kevin Bacon, Kevin Bacon, I remember that growing up, or whatever. One of the threads that linked this class of people together who were using child sex trafficking, in my opinion, as some of their currency to blackmail each other and victimizing people in the most disgusting way imaginable.

1:14:20Ben Meiselas:But they were out there manipulating the markets and manipulating the destruction of liberal democracies across the world. And you had them coordinating in different countries about the destruction of liberal democracies everywhere within destruction and chaos and global tumult, the corrupt are able to loot. And that's a dynamic that we're seeing play out here right now. And I think people are wise to it, but they got a trillion dollar media machine to pump out that propaganda to try to keep people brainwashed. And so I think our job is to use this network, to use this channel, to use our platform which isn't as big in terms of the structure, financing, coordination that they have.

1:15:15Ben Meiselas:But we know we've got people on our side to get out these messages, to give these warnings, to let you know the hustle so we can see it, call it out in real time and try to defeat it. And try to defeat it not for Democrats, not for this political party, because this is international in scope for humanity, for truth, so we can go about our lives and not deal with these tyrants and authoritarians from constantly treading on us, harassing us, assaulting us, trying to steal from us, rip away our futures and the future is a future generation. So I'll leave it at that because I think it ties it all together, especially as Pam Bondi is set to speak, but not testify.

1:16:02Ben Meiselas:She won't testify under oath. Won't do that. Won't go under video camera apparently, but she will be talking informally to the House Oversight Committee. Okay. Got it. Got it. Got it.

1:16:13Jordy Meiselas:Well, if you take a broader perspective of the concept of the Epstein class and a lot of things that Ben was speaking about with Epstein, I think you could also call it the predator class. And if you're viewing all the actions right now that we're seeing and all the things that we spoke about throughout this episode through the lens of a predator, I think everything kind of makes sense. I mean, think about what the United States is doing in Latin America. Think about what the United States is doing in the Middle East. Think about the tactics they're using in Cuba right now. Think about what the United States does to Canada, to our EU allies.

1:16:49Jordy Meiselas:Think about what the United States does domestically to people here at home. The threats threats that they have been pushing now to threaten international travel and say that we may ban international travel into cities that allow immigrants in. They're targeting the blue cities. They're saying we may actually do that. Everything seems like an attack. Everything is an assault, but they're doing E.G. and Carroll. Predators, predators, predators, predators. That also only works if they have the backing of propaganda of billions and billions of dollars that are justifying that in flowery language, that are justifying that by the same way that these people play the victim with Adam Ockler on CNN and go, whoa, your hands in my face.

1:17:32Jordy Meiselas:Stop attacking me. What the F are you doing? That's what they do on a much grander scale in all of these geopolitical aspects. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Is that a drug boat? Boom, explosion. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Were you going to do sense of nukes my way? Explosion. Boom. War. It's just the strategy that they use. And they play the victim. They use that propaganda to realign, to reposition what's kind of actually going on. And I got to say, it's incredibly effective. It's very potent. But that's why I think part of what we do here is just making you kind of aware to it. And I think if you've seen just the way that the attacks on someone like a Tallarico have ramped up since Paxton got the nomination, you see what it's like when that machine kicks in.

1:18:21Jordy Meiselas:It's like they flick a switch, right? And it's just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. It's coordinated. It's well-funded. And it is so brazen that to me, it should be like, oh, they had a meeting about this. This is the most obvious thing in the world. But most people aren't that critical in the way that they think about the media that they consume, like this audience here. And so that's why one of the things I think that's important that we do, as all of us here, is continue to spread the word and continue to call this stuff out and to show just how these propaganda networks are manipulating you and are manipulating the American people.

1:19:00Ben Meiselas:Well said, Brett. Such an honor to be able to spend each and every day with you, whether you're listening on audio, whether you're watching on YouTube. Just taking this journey with you together during these very difficult times is something that is deeply rewarding for me. and I've heard so much of your comments that this network is helpful for you, but this network is helpful for me. We're in this together. It's helpful for us. And I think we always need to stick together during very difficult times, help each other. When someone needs to rest, pick up the slack for each other, but hold the line.

1:19:42Ben Meiselas:Hold the line. Before we know it, there'll be midterms. Before we know it, there'll be elections. And we need to continue to hold the line every single day. We'll get through this. And then when we get through this, we can reflect on this time and work to create structures to make sure this never happens again and build a better life for future generations and to leave the world a better place. And to know that when we get out together on the other side of this, that we put it all out there on the line. That every damn day, we were out there fighting for what was right, fighting for love and empathy and equality and civil rights, uplifting, not punching down, supporting each other, working towards peace, not war, supporting democracy, fighting back against fascism.

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1:21:17Ben Meiselas:Thank you, and I'll let Jordy finish the show. Shout out to the Midas Mighty.

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