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23:31Jordy Meiselas:Go on CNBC. Go on. I think that says a lot also. You know, they're kind of throwing J.D. under the bus with this whole thing. You know, once the reaction, once people actually see what's in this thing, they're going to go, oh, it's Vance's idea. It's terrible. And so I think when you take it all together, you kind of to see the picture that's taking shape here. And we're gonna learn more, I guess, over the next few days. But I think when you take it though, from what we know right now, it seems like Iran's surely getting a lot out of it. And the United States spent hundreds of millions of dollars at least on this war, hundreds of billions of dollars on this war already.

24:10Jordy Meiselas:And now is going to be spending billions and billions of dollars more to help iran rebuild what we destroyed whether that's funneling that through other middle eastern countries like qatar and the like whatever they want to call it i mean that's that's what's happening let's let's face it here or whether it's one of these payments of unfreezing the iranian funds which is looking like it's going to be to many more billions than you know obama ever did back in the day when they were complaining about obama doing it and i remember them constantly saying back then, they would say, oh yes, Obama froze their own funds, but money is fungible.

24:45Jordy Meiselas:Therefore, he's actually giving them money. I mean, if you want to run back those same arguments with Donald Trump here, you could run back those same arguments. It seems like Donald Trump is giving the Iranians far more money, this regime. And you also see the shifting rhetoric of Trump throughout this process. I mean, there was a quote that like, I don't mean to say blew my mind because nothing honestly shocks me so much anymore with this guy. But in the Wall Street journal last night, one of the quotes that came out from Trump was like, yeah, we don't really care about the nuclear material.

25:13Jordy Meiselas:You know, we'll, it's really, it's harmless. It's harmless. We'll go, we'll go in, you know, in a few months, maybe we'll, we'll talk about it. We'll, we'll figure out what to do. It's hot. That was the whole justification for going into this war. So he said that. And in the same article, he also said, yeah, I, you know, I don't really care much about regime change. Not really, not really a big deal. Not really something on my mind when it comes to this deal. We'll work with the new people. You know, I just want to have a relationship with the new folks. It's the same regime, but more hardline folks who you're dealing with right now.

25:43Jordy Meiselas:So, you know, I had somebody respond to me on social media the other day when I was speaking about this deal and they went on a whole thing. Oh, so you don't care about the Iranian people. So you're okay that the regime killed X amount of Iranian protesters back. I said, no, I'm not okay. That's why I think going in there, promising them that you were going to do this regime change war and then trying to become buddy-buddy with the regime is not how you help the people. You're screwing the people, and you've killed the people with these strikes. You've bombed a girl's school. You've done everything possible to alienate those people who you pretended to help, and now at the end of it, you go, yeah, never really cared much about that anyway, and that nuclear thing, meh, I don't know.

26:26Jordy Meiselas:Maybe we'll figure something out. Hopefully, we could open the strait, though. The strait was open before all this, and now it's still in limbo. We still don't know who is going to control the strait. Iran is saying that they and Oman are going to be controlling the strait. They're saying that there's going to be this period, the 60-day MOU period, the Memorandum of Understanding period, where there maybe won't be tolls, but after that, they're going to figure out a way to implement tolls, and Iran will make far more money than they've ever made by even unfreezing their own funds. Donald Trump has set the Iranian regime up, the oppressive Iranian regime that he acted like he wanted to overthrow in the beginning.

27:05Jordy Meiselas:He set them up to be richer than ever. He set them up to be a major player. He set them up to show that they could assert economic dominance, not only over the United States, but over the entire world by simply shutting down the strait. At the end of the day, Iran showed that they had the cards and Donald Trump showed that he was a paper tiger.

27:25Brett Meiselas:Well said, D. Really well said. Ben, to go back and answer your question too, no, I don't think he's read the text i think it's well documented that he he doesn't like read long things if there's a lot of words on paper he won't read it what he does get are like those bullet points i think more so and more concerning over the second trump regime that we're seeing now is that he's kind of dictating by vibes right he's letting a lot of the social media chattering class like get into his ear if it's a good deal or if it's a bad deal or kind of it feels like that's how he's dictating policy this time around this time around not that he ever did any sort of critical thinking but this now more than ever as his cognitive ability and as his own cognitive decline continues to take shape it feels like he's just kind of leaning on more of the people around him hey how are people how are people thinking of this am i great are people loving this and then when he doesn't get the answer uh he he wants he like blows the whole thing up and start starts from scratch again.

28:23Brett Meiselas:So I still don't feel like we're close. Again, this memorandum of understanding, this assistant to the regional manager, if you will, where is it? If it is so great and does all of this great stuff and it's such a victory for us, why can't we read it? What are they trying to hide? It reminds me of the pilots. Where are the pilots, right? We had this great heroic rescue mission where we recovered our pilots and we took them home and they're safe and sound. Where are they we know time and time again from maga that anytime that they could spike the football like really spike the football on a win or the perception of a win they they pimp out everyone and everything that they can right they'll have them show up to the big speeches they'll they'll play they'll plaster them on social media they'll have you know press conferences about it they're just sending out jd vance and being like answer for this dude and like go ahead and answer for this and try and convince everyone this is so great.

29:21Brett Meiselas:Meanwhile, like all we're asking for is where's the text? You could say it's this great thing or whatnot. Where is it? We want to actually physically read it. I don't understand what you're hiding, but I do get what you're hiding because it's probably not as great as you're trying to get the country to believe it is. And then just the last thing, going back to that box clip, it's amazing. He's even walking right now. He said that so earnestly. What was he doing? It's not like he just ran a mile or ran a triathlon, on right is oh my god it's amazing he's even walking right what what a stud no he was at his own birthday party that the ufc decided to throw on the white house lawn you know and have this fight in front of him and everyone which he fell asleep at and then he jumped on a plane likely fell asleep the whole time on the plane and then got up and started shaking hands and walking and fox news is like it's amazing he's in milwaukee right now that is like what what strength what What power?

30:15Brett Meiselas:But you know what? I think it's actually alluding to brothers and might as mighty more is that Trump's own cognitive decline and physical ability as it's seen to the public is clearly in his head. He knows he has to overcompensate or at least in the people immediately around him. So I feel like as if the people closest to Trump are sort of giving talking points because they know he watches so much TV. Hey, talk about his energy. Talk about how good he looks. Talk about how strong he is. Make him feel a little bit better about himself. I mean, it's the kid gloves they treat this man with.

30:43Jordy Meiselas:Absolutely. It's all part of the propaganda operation. Oh, wow. And even the New York Post the other day ran the most ridiculous headline, like Trump defying aging at 80. It's like, all right, guys, all right, enough, enough, enough, enough. But you know who agrees with you, Jordi, about the MOU, the memorandum of understanding? You're an interesting company. And I think we all are an interesting company with this one, because you know who's demanding to actually see the text of the document? People like Mark Levin, people like Ben Shapiro. I saw Senator Thune before, he was asked, so what do you think about this so-called deal?

31:14Jordy Meiselas:And he goes, I don't know. If I can't see it, it's not real. So I have nothing to say about this. And so when you put those pieces together, you also see the reaction coming from even the right in this country, from these Republican voices, from MAGA voices, from some of the most MAGA commentators out there who are going, okay, if it's everything you're trying to sell me, then just show me what it is.

31:35Ben Meiselas:And look, we want to see it for different reasons than they want to see it, though, right? They want to see it because they know they want to rip it apart and they want to use it to throw Vance under the bus because they're neocon warmongers. And they want to basically say, we need more war and we need more genocide and we need more destruction. Right. I, I guess, naively, but but for the love of the country and the fact that I know people are suffering, I truly want this to work. Like the complex thing about me reporting on such a vile regime and such vile people like Trump and J.D. Vance is I know how on the brink we are as a nation to a massive depression.

32:27Ben Meiselas:And I know that most Americans are actually feeling that right now worse than they felt in a great recession. So from my own point, I want to be constructive and I want to try to figure out what we can do or how we can look at this because I truly want to, I want whatever this is to work. I want, I'm glad when I heard that US tankers, at least from the satellite imagery, have left the immediate vicinity of the kind of the Persian Gulf Strait of Hermuz and it's the first time they've done that. I think that's a good thing. I don't want to root against, you know, I root against Trump and Vance because of how horrible they are.

33:15Ben Meiselas:but then the complex part of me is I know that people are suffering and I don't want to root against America getting the hell out of there if that ultimately benefits the people, if that makes sense. And that's, I'm opening up to you and the vulnerability that I'm trying to share is how hard sometimes it is to kind of cover this. I know they're con artists. I know they're scammers. I know this MOU is yet another kind of Trump fraudy thing, but I want it to work because I want people to get relief. I don't want people can't afford anything right now. And I think when the history is written, if we somehow manage to get out of this, this piece of it, I think we'll see that what was also a driving factor here in Iran knew this is we are, if not days or hours, like we're days away from tank bottom conditions that could result in some of the most catastrophic conditions ever.

34:15Ben Meiselas:And you know that by following the facts and the science. The same way we reported, look, I'm going to tell you what happens if you just paint the bottom of this thing blue. It's in a hot, humid summer reflecting pool. It's going to show the algae even more. And you're not going to focus on the filtration and what you're doing may be damaging and it may be causing more harm. You can't just paint something blue. You can't just paint over it. The algae comes back. Let's talk about that and more when we come back from our first quick break. A reminder, make sure you hit subscribe at our YouTube channel.

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38:57Ben Meiselas:Yeah, let's just bring out the receipts right here. I mean, J.D. Vance has been the person kind of thrown out there by the Trump regime to kind of defend this agreement. He's been labeled by Lindsey Graham and others as the architect of this deal. And you can just see the language though of the Lindsey Grahams and the Mark Levins and kind of all of these neocon war hawk type of people is to frame this as a J.D. Vance thing, to try to build a wedge there between kind of Trump and Vance. And interestingly, it was about 45 days ago or so where Donald Trump, I think, literally said during one of these press conferences, if the deal isn't good, I'm just going to blame J.D.

39:44Ben Meiselas:Vance for it. He actually said that. I'll try to pull up that clip. I forgot about that. You're so right. Yeah. I'm going to, while I'm showing this, I'm going to try to find that clip and just to put out the data point. But so J.D. Vance first, here he is on CBS and they go, the Iranians are saying they're going to have access to$300 billion. True or false? And by the way, you know, I give CBS a hard time on a lot of things, rightfully so. This is the right way to ask the question, right? Yes or no? Is this what's happening? Let's play this first clip. Walk through some of this. The Iranians are saying that they're going to have access to a$300 billion reconstruction fund.

40:19Ben Meiselas:True or false?

40:22Brett Meiselas:Well, Ed, that's the sort of thing they could have access to,

40:26Ben Meiselas:funded by the Gulf Coast coalition,

40:28Jordy Meiselas:so long as they honor their end of the obligation. I think that one of the things you're going to see, Ed,

40:32Brett Meiselas:and people have to be skeptical of this, is that the hardliners in the Iranian system will overemphasize the benefits that Iran gets while underemphasizing all the things that they have to concede

40:44Ben Meiselas:and all the things they have to provide in order to get these benefits. Okay. Well, that goes back to a very basic point. Publish the agreement and just show us what it says. And if it says it, it says it. If it doesn't say it, it doesn't say it. And ultimately, if it says it, we should come to terms with what this really means and understand it. You know, if, and I'm not, and I'm trying to be, you know, ultra realistic right here. I mean, look, America lost this war. And when you lose the war, you have to make concessions. That's part of losing the war. And when I say we lost, Trump promised X, Y, and Z were going to happen, regime change, obliteration.

41:27Ben Meiselas:We're going to get their ballistic missiles, knock out their conventional weapons that serve as a shield for the nuclear weapon. None of that stuff, None of that stuff happened. Okay. So, but the question is, and we're adults, we're grownups, we can handle this. If you told me, hey, there's a$300 billion fund, here's the mechanism for it. This is part of the kind of Gulf countries that are building X, Y, and Z. And here's part of the plan that's going to, you know, hopefully develop other areas in the region. And that money could, you know, that$300 billion can lead to$3 trillion in economic growth that America can also take part in, and it's part of a comprehensive peace strategy that we never had before?

42:17Ben Meiselas:And could this potentially lead to a two-state solution where Palestine can exist and the genocide can end? Like, you can, like, I can handle it, right? Like, you know, I can handle it. But if you don't, and it seems like just a bribe or a payment, and you're being shady about it, then I think, wow, you're being shady about it because you haven't thought through these second and third and fourth level consequences. When Obama unfroze$1.7 billion in funds as part of the JCPOA, it was part of a broader mechanism of multilateral inspections that ensured, and this is an important point that people forget about the JCPOA, it created the mechanism not just for Iran, but for North Korea.

43:10Ben Meiselas:And when Donald Trump pulled out of the JCPOA, it sent the message that this template that was going to be used for North Korea would never work because the U.S. would never keep its word. So Kim Jong-un viewed Trump's withdrawal of the JCPOA and say, got it. This guy is an easy mark. Let's do the love letter thing and drag this out and build the nuclear weapons. So part of Obama's thinking behind the JCPOA was North Korea as well. And it was reducing proliferation of nuclear weapons and the kind of law of the strong, law of the jungle as an international governing principle and keeping kind of a multilateral aspect.

44:00Ben Meiselas:And Obama told us, here's why these funds are being unfrozen. And that was used by Trump relentlessly to attack Obama because it's easy to tear apart deals. It's easy to criticize, condemn, and attack. It's hard to balance all of these stakeholders in a complex world and do a deal that works. And Trump's seeing that and his plan to all of this is, well, let's just paint it blue. Now, to me, that's the symbolism of all of this. Just say it's good while degrading the actual ability of America to be America. J.D. Vance said the following on Iran also. He said what Trump really wanted to do over these last six weeks, what this was all about, is kind of like building a friendship with Iran.

44:57Ben Meiselas:Like, that's what we really were, like what this was all about. And we did that. We're now we're now cool. Here, let's play this clip.

45:02Brett Meiselas:economy to lift some sanctions and to turn over a new leaf in that relationship. What the president really wanted to do, not just with the last six weeks, but really the last year

45:12Jordy Meiselas:and a half of Iran policy is to get us to a place where we could change our relationship fundamentally with the Iranians and ensure that they never have a nuclear weapon. We feel that we're at that place now. We're, of course, going to continue to verify that.

45:25Ben Meiselas:I mean, do you want to date them? Like, I mean, you know, do you want to date Mojtaba Khomeini? I mean, you say the whole point of this war and the bombing last June of their nuclear facilities and then this whole war, we did all of this to be your friend. And it reminds me of the Hamilton song, right, where the king, you know, you know, I'm going to send my whole bedallion to remind you of my love. like we did this to show our love we love each other now and it's like that's it's a real

46:02Jordy Meiselas:demented thing to say sorry beautiful voice being the real deal was the friends we made along the

46:07Ben Meiselas:way you know send a fully armed battalion just to remind you of my love da da da da i mean when you think about in the future the character of the sleepy i mean it's like the script is written The sleepy, demented guy yelling about UFC, you know, like can't even walk straight, you know, saying these absurd, we're friends now. We're cool now. And it's like, what, what, what, what? I did a video on this over the weekend also, that part of the Iranian negotiating team consulted with the top psychologist and psychiatrist in Iran and diagnosed Donald Trump as being a clinically mentally ill person.

46:56Ben Meiselas:And frankly, he didn't need all of that to see it, But they had to negotiate clinically as though they were dealing with a patient in a psychiatric ward. And they had to send messages with that clinical diagnoses that they made. And so I'll show you this one, then I'll toss it to Brett and Jordy. You then have George Stephanopoulos who said, so Trump said that there would be no deal unless there was unconditional surrender. That's what you all said. unconditional surrender. So how is this that? And you'll see J.D. Vance says, this is it. This is what unconditional surrender is. Let's play it. Thank you for joining us this morning.

47:39Ben Meiselas:Back on March 6th, about a week into the war, President Trump put out a post on Truth Social saying there will be no deal with Iran except unconditional surrender. So why did he reverse course and agree to this deal now?

47:53Jordy Meiselas:Well, George, I don't think he reversed course. I think fundamentally, the president's argument was we are going to use the military to exert pressure on Iran, and we're going to get something that is good for the American people. And now we have that.

48:04Ben Meiselas:Oh, God, that's what this is. And by the way, again, I don't want to, I don't want you to think that I supported this unlawful and catastrophic war and that I support unconditional surrender and invading the sovereignty and and engaging in these war crimes that have, that I'm just trying to point out that they said unconditional surrender was what they wanted. And now they're selling that the better relationship is a form of unconditional surrender. And it just, they all think that we're just stupid. Like they all just like, that's the whole approach is that everybody is, you know, you know, that the same people, and I don't mean to be offensive, but it was offensive what took place, that the people who were cheering when a UFC fighter said, Michelle Obama is a man, is how the level of thinking of most Americans are.

49:05Ben Meiselas:And that you can just tell them, you know, you know, this, this was what we want. And they go, hell yeah, Michelle Obama. And it's like, okay, guys, guys, guys, guys, you know, all of the problems that you're facing right now and suffering from are being caused by this. Wake up and see it. This isn't a political, just recognize what the hell's happening, Brent and Jerry.

49:26Jordy Meiselas:And when you listen to even the way that Vance framed things right there, you see kind of the rhetoric, you know, because the basic question that I think every American should have at this point, as the deal terms come to light, right? And as you don't see that unconditional surrender from the Iranian regime, and in fact, it looks kind of like the opposite of that, quite frankly. But you look at what the deal is here, at least what we're seeing with this memorandum of understanding for a future deal is here. And then you look, you go back into the past and you try to think, okay, what was the negotiated, what were they negotiating back in the day before war even broke out, when Oman was mediating this thing and we were hearing what was going back and forth between the Iranian regime and the Trump regime.

50:16Jordy Meiselas:And what were they saying? And the thing you cannot tell me with a straight face, I'm sorry, is that what we are getting now out of this deal is better at all than what we would have gotten without the war in the first place. In fact, it's worse. And so you're seeing the shifting of rhetoric and you heard it from Vance there and you hear it now every time Hegseth is asked about this war and this memorandum of understanding that they go, well, yes, you know, we're making this memorandum of understanding or we're making the great deal, whatever they want to call it. The only reason we're doing that is because we showed them that we're tough and that we showed them how forceful we are.

50:57Jordy Meiselas:And they saw the might of the American military. Yeah. And that's just not the case. I mean, in fact, you showed the opposite. You showed that, yes, we may have a very powerful military and our soldiers are certainly second to none, but the strategies deployed here by people like Pete Hegseth in the Middle East and Donald Trump in the Middle East were a complete and total disaster. And they've left our bases destroyed in the Middle East. They've left our munitions depleted. And essentially, Trump ended up being kind of forced into doing this deal because he had to keep pulling from our reserves, including from today.

51:35Jordy Meiselas:Our reserves, our oil reserves are lower than they've been going back to the Reagan administration. And so they basically put the United States and the global economy in a really bad place to get a memorandum of understanding of a future deal that looks worse than they were negotiating before war broke out, something that they could have done without losing the lives of American service members, something that could have happened without killing hundreds of innocent girls at a school in Iran, something that could have happened without killing hundreds and thousands of other, not hundreds of thousands, but hundreds and thousands of other Iranian people and people across the region, all the things that have come from this war, it all could have been avoided by just skipping through all the fighting part and engaging in the diplomacy part, which was the point of these negotiations in the first place.

52:28Jordy Meiselas:But they have to show, oh, look, we're macho. Look, we're fighting. And I think the UFC comparison that Ben made is incredibly apt in this scenario because that's kind of the lizard brain that is coming from this government. It has nothing to do with logic. There's nothing to do with let's follow the actual evidence. Let's follow the facts. Let's use that and use what is in black and white here. Let's use the actual data points to try to form an opinion, to try to come to something that works for the American people, works for the Iranian people, works for the entire world, but instead to try to go with that, oh, we're macho.

53:03Jordy Meiselas:We're going to bomb them into submission. We're going to paint the thing blue. we're going to cover up the... None of that stuff works. It's all patchwork stuff that actually reveals your weakness underneath it. I think the reflecting pool is perhaps one of the biggest metaphors that we have seen for this entire Trump administration, for this entire Trump regime. The fact that you could go in brute force, roll over the thing in a motorcade, you have your people not look to actually fix the problem, just like they didn't fix the problems that are here with Iran. Instead, just try to paint over it and then hope for the best, even as while you're doing that, all the experts are telling you the same thing.

53:48Jordy Meiselas:All the experts are telling you, the algae is going to come back and the algae is going to be even worse because you made it dark and it's going to attract heat. You could really, you could apply this to everything that every crisis that Trump has handled, like in history, probably far before he was president, but could also go back to COVID, all the scientists telling him exactly what was going to happen and him saying, no, no, no, no, no, we're good. We're good. We're good. You can't wish this sort of stuff away. You actually have to follow advice. You actually need people who are discerning.

54:18Jordy Meiselas:You actually need people who can follow the facts and they just don't care about that. They think that they could get everything done with brute force. And we have seen now that that is just not how these things are solved. And if they were solved that way, we would have won this war dramatically. And we'd be in a very powerful position here. We would have won all these past wars going back before Donald Trump. And Iraq wouldn't have been a disaster. And Vietnam wouldn't have been a disaster. And all these other conflicts that we've seen wouldn't have been disasters. But brute force is not always the way to get your way.

54:55Jordy Meiselas:We have to learn that as a country, and other countries need to learn that as well. We need actual smart people getting in the room, following the facts, and actually engaging in diplomacy in order to come to agreements that work for the public at large, not just feeding the egos and this sort of, look at me, I'm macho sort of mindset.

55:17Brett Meiselas:Really well said, B. I just want to comment quickly on Stephanopoulos and just how the media is treating this van sort of parade. and look i'll give stephan stephanophilus like credit he asked the question it's wonderful the other gentleman asked the question too true true or false but then when you allow vance to not answer the question and just filibuster and say a bunch of non-sequiturs and then and then i don't know just just continue to just say things that don't line up with the question and he's not even giving really logical answers to the questions being asked i get frustrated i get frustrated because it's like, okay, what are we doing here?

55:53Brett Meiselas:What is the purpose of this? And also, wouldn't you feel a certain amount of shame if you tried true or false? And then he just goes on and starts speaking just random sentences as the host, don't you like, aren't you upset? He didn't answer your question. He doesn't care about you. He doesn't think you're a strong interviewer. He thinks he could just bully right over you, but okay.

56:13Jordy Meiselas:My counterpoint would be that is an answer. and the fact that he doesn't answer the true or false, that he won't be direct actually speaks volumes. And so I think you are actually getting a lot out of somebody like J.D. Vance in those scenarios. I actually, personally, I actually think, I think all those interviewers actually do a really good job with the -

56:32Brett Meiselas:Well, I want answers. I want real answers. And I want to read the answers. And I think it's being, I think it's very shady.

56:37Jordy Meiselas:I think Vance just looked like another clown, honestly.

56:39Brett Meiselas:The clowns himself every chance he gets. Every time he gets up there, he just knows he has to go up there and kind of eat it. And he just, he looks ridiculous. us.

56:45Ben Meiselas:But this is where my thoughts are complex. Well, I have to admit the vulnerability in my reporting. If he was the voice in there that truly was, we need to do this. I also support that. You know, I don't support him. Let me be very clear. But if he was the lone voice that prevailed over Hegseth and Rubio and other neocon warmongers. I don't like Vance. I do appreciate, though, the human being that pushed us in a direction of at least temporarily not escalating this war and not rising through the escalatory trap. We're still in it. We're not out of it. And it's painting blue a complex situation.

57:36Ben Meiselas:But that's where I struggle with it because I don't feel, let me be clear, I don't feel bad for Vance. But if he's the voice out there that's trying to sell something that ultimately we need because our country ain't going to be able to survive when oil hits tank bottom, right? And if gas prices hit$10 a gallon. So if this stops that, But I also am very, you know, I have these complex feelings based on my desire to say, I just want to get out of this. We need to get out of this thing. And if he's the only one fighting for it, good. You know, and I'm not supporting him. So anyway, I just, I want to share that.

58:19Ben Meiselas:When we come back, I want to talk a little bit more about what's going on in the Trump regime, this Donald Trump trip for the G7, where the United States has never looked weaker. I mean, in advance of it, you've got Prime Minister Carney of Canada giving these powerful speeches about a restructuring of the world order. Carney's already been to France. He's in Ireland. We see the changing world order, if you will, of midpowers, as they call themselves, Canada, these European countries uniting to form blocs, major powers to deal with the changing dynamic of the world with America going it alone.

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1:03:52Ben Meiselas:You know, so it's obvious that what's going to happen and is happening already is the neocons, the war hawks, Netanyahu's government, who's linked inextricably with them here in the United States, are going to do everything they can to try to disrupt this deal. They are so heavily invested in these perpetual, never-ending wars, you know, in the Middle East that we're going to see an unrelenting effort to try to undermine this memorandum of understanding. And we're already seeing, you know, at the CIA level, Ratcliffe, Rubio, Hegseth turning strongly against Vance. We've seen the defense minister in Israel saying, Lebanon is ours.

1:04:44Ben Meiselas:He says that Lebanon is ours. I mean, that's what you're saying. We're not getting out. Smutrich, Ben Gavir, all those people in the Netanyahu government are all saying that we are going to just continue to relentlessly, they said the homes in Lebanon are ours, we're going to continue to attack in Lebanon. and the security guarantees that that won't happen in Lebanon is a major part of this deal. And when Israel struck in Daya in Beirut over the weekend, and Iran was about to respond and retaliate with strikes in Israel, from all of the reporting, that's when Iran, through the mediators in Pakistan and Qatar basically said to Trump, you have to put in this draft text, security guarantees for Lebanon or Iran's going to strike and things are going to get so much worse.

1:05:43Ben Meiselas:And that was the final outstanding issue to actually put security guarantees inside Lebanon in the text itself. And Iran has made it clear that we view Israeli attacks inside Lebanon as United States attacks inside Lebanon. We think that you're linked at the hip, and we don't trust at all that if Israel attacks, that you're going to just distance yourself from that. We think that there's no deal if that takes place. So what I'm obviously very concerned and deeply worried about, you know, happening, you know, almost to the point where I keep checking my phone, because again, I want there to be a durable peace.

1:06:31Ben Meiselas:And I'm thinking, you know, when is it that Netanyahu is going to attack Ndaya or Tyrus or when is that going to happen? Am I going to wake up to that again? And then Iran's going to launch missiles and then we're going to be back into this situation that Netanyahu wants us to be in. And so we need to be cognizant of those dynamics taking place right now. We've been talking about this idea of painted blue, and I think it is a very apt analogy for everything. And I want to give you, again, a very short history to keep this analogy or metaphor, whatever, to keep it going, which is in 2012, Obama made it, the Obama administration, this wasn't, you know, the reflecting pool wasn't like an issue that was in the top probably 1 ,000 issues or 5 ,000 issues or 10 ,000 issues.

1:07:31Ben Meiselas:It's something that you consider in terms of your interior secretary's role and the beautification of D.C., but it's not in the swing of all of the issues you're dealing with. But one of the issues was that it was using the drinking water in Washington, D.C. And where there are water shortages, using the drinking water to fill a reflecting pool is not a great way to deal with water conservation. I mean, call yourself woke or whatever. It's a waste of water. And when there water shortages. It's become a major problem to people living in DC. So they changed from basically the same water source that was being used for your kind of tap water or your water that was in the showers and whatever.

1:08:19Ben Meiselas:And it was moved to basically get all of the water from the Potomac Basin, which has algae in it. And so then they thought, okay, if we build a filtration system that could deal with it as much as we can, because it's dark and reflecting, You know, does it really matter if there's that much algae because we're not going to paint it blue? And we'll just deal with the algae and hopefully this filtration system work. I think they called it like a nano bubbler filtration system. And for those who study algae, how algae spreads and reproduces asexually and sexually, if you go study the way algae can spread, you know, microscopic algae can get through any good filter.

1:09:04Ben Meiselas:and then it could grow and grow and grow rapidly and very quickly through both forms of kind of reproduction. And it especially festers in high humidity areas, low water areas, and you can see it more, obviously, if the bottom is painted a certain type of color. And so it was obvious what was going to happen. And so because Donald Trump wants a way to attack Obama and attack Biden and attack whatever, he then went through this process. And you could have, if you wanted to fix the issue, I mean, it would be very hard to fix it just in general, just based on the dynamic of it. Maybe we should have had a tough conversation about the idea of this reflecting pool.

1:09:57Ben Meiselas:And, you know, is the cost-benefit analysis of it worth it? And do we need to develop how much money should we be spending into it? And there may be tough conversations around that. You know, if there's always going to be algae and it's going to be a problem. But Trump made all of these grandiose promises that ended up, you know, that ended up failing. So to me, that was one symbolism. And then we can't forget the other symbolism that I thought, which is when the court ordered he remove his name from the Kennedy Center and he removed Trump from the Kennedy Center, what did he do? We saw him build that scaffolding that whole day.

1:10:33Ben Meiselas:We're like, why are they building the scaffolding? Didn't they use the cherry pickers and just the easy cranes to build it? Just take it down the same way. It's easier to take it down than to put it on. To put it on, you have to measure it, make sure it's symmetrical, but pulling it down is relatively easy. So we saw them building the scaffolding the whole day. And it was like, you built the scaffolding so you can then put tarp over the scaffolding to hide the removal of the name Trump and then leave the tarp up so that nobody can see what's even there anymore. And so I said, and we all said, this is the embodiment of a coverup.

1:11:12Ben Meiselas:As they're covering up the Epstein files, as they're covering up Trump's fraud, as everything's a coverup, they literally put a gigantic cover-up they put tarp a cover-up over the Kennedy Center and I was like what yet another like direct symbolism of of what is going on painting it blue and the visualization of this of this cover-up but you know ultimately and for those on audio we're showing what the cover-up looks like and and the pettiness if I can't have my name on it nobody can see John F. Kennedy's name on it. Like why? Like why? And it accentuates the problem even more. Kind of same thing with painting it blue.

1:11:55Ben Meiselas:Now we all see the algae and yeah, may have been something that people may have, but now we're all focused on the algae. We're all focused on the, you've brought more, it's all backfired, right? The same way everything in this regime backfires. Yeah, you can say you had$21 trillion that you brought in, but you didn't. And guess what? The debt increases, the deficit expands, treasury bond yields went up. We were running out of oil. We were going tank bottom. And then your failures were accentuated, were amplified, right? The Epstein files, you know, you can, I mean, that Epstein file, Trump was using it for years and years and years, right?

1:12:37Ben Meiselas:Everybody else was in the cabal, this, that, and the other. And then when his bluff was finally called, he stretched this out, stretched this out, stretched this out, until finally people are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Clearly, you're covering this up in the worst way imaginable. And everybody then started focusing on the cover-up and paying attention to it. And the more you dug into it, the worse it got. The worse it got. The more algae you saw, the more blemishes, the more inextricably intertwined Trump was in this cover-up. And speaking about the J.D. Vance aspect of this all, at the end of last week, we hear this bombshell New York Times reporting about these meetings in the Situation Room where J.D.

1:13:24Ben Meiselas:Vance was holding these meetings about Donald Trump, these accusations or these emails and documents that made very serious accusations against Donald Trump? And should we release this email or that email? And what do we do with Ghislaine Maxwell? And do we have her sit with Tucker? Or do we have Blanche be involved in the cover-up? And do we move her to this facility or that facility? And so as we approach the midterms, we are really seeing the rapid collapse of this regime to the point where, you know, what was it? 16, I don't need to play the whole clip, but Harry Enten was reading a Fox poll and it was like, like only like 16 % of like Americans support what Donald Trump was doing with the UFC.

1:14:12Ben Meiselas:You know, he's at a negative 50 % approval on the issue of inflation. I mean, people are just so over this regime, Brett and Jordy.

1:14:21Jordy Meiselas:And, you know, it's one of those things, you know, you've talked about on the show a lot, the rule of holes. And it's kind of what Trump does in all scenarios, right? When he's in a hole, he keeps on digging. He keeps on digging. He keeps on digging. It's like, you know, when a kid knocks over a vase and they decide that they're going to try to then glue the pieces back together, it only accentuates the fact that you broke the vase. Sounds personal.

1:14:43Brett Meiselas:Did you do that?

1:14:44Jordy Meiselas:Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. I'll have to think psychologically where that came from. I don't know. It is awfully specific.

1:14:49Brett Meiselas:Do you remember when we were in Sharper Image and you knocked over all of those robots?

1:14:52Jordy Meiselas:I do, I do. They had a big robot in Sharper Image. That was a very expensive robot and I decided I would lean on it and I didn't realize that it wasn't a table but a little platform and it crashed and broke everywhere. Luckily, I was an adorable little kid and I think he let us off the hook without the worker, let us off without buying it. But I just have to say the damage that has been done and like the amount of failure that we have seen in all of these different scenarios as Trump tries to do these kind of patchwork fixes for things that actually require effort and require decision making. Like if we made this up in the most wild of Midas predictions and we're like, I'm telling, and we did predict that this would be green.

1:15:37Jordy Meiselas:I don't think we predicted that it would turn green in like three days or two days or whatever it was. But if we were like, yeah, no, it's going to look like someone died it. It's going to look like, you know what Chicago, the Chicago River looks like during St. Paddy's Day when they like dye the Chicago River green. That isn't even as green as this thing is going to look, right? You would have all the Twitter people, you would have all the various MAGA commentators going, TDS, TDS, how could you possibly say that you just hate Trump? And it's like, no, no, but that's actually what happened here.

1:16:14Jordy Meiselas:I mean, this is actually just mind blowing when you look at these images. And I know a lot of the people listening, I'm sure you have seen the pictures that we keep showing on the show, but it's not only green, it's like neon green. It's bright green. It's like Ninja Turtle. It's like Shrek. This is as green as green gets right here. And it just is such a clown show. And so of course you see the MAGA people online. And this to me also just shows the psychology of the supporters, right? Because they refuse to acknowledge that anything is wrong. And so the first thing that the Trump regime does, they go like, and this was a joke I saw thrown around, but it's like literally what they did.

1:16:56Jordy Meiselas:They're like, it's Biden's algae. It's Obama's algae. It's residual algae is the term that they used. Okay. It's not residual algae. What are you talking about? It's not residual algae. And then you saw the Trump people who their first step was flat out denial. And I saw them saying, oh, no, really? Because I saw this picture and the picture looks great. And I'm like, okay, you saw Trump's AI picture that he posted a few days ago, or you saw a picture, ironically, of what it looked like two weeks ago before they embarked on this project. Yeah, it looked much better back then. And then when it becomes clear, like they actually, some of these people visit the reflecting pool on their own to see what it's like.

1:17:33Jordy Meiselas:And they see it's bright green. I saw a video of this MAGA influencer today that was like, it just doesn't make sense. It has to be Democrat sabotage. It's sabotaged by the Democrats because they don't want it to look good. It's like, no, dude, just be normal. Please be normal. We don't need UFC fights on the lawn. We don't need you painting the pools blue. We don't need you going out there and talking about the military in these ridiculous WWE style terms. Let's actually just get experts in there. Let's get people to know what the hell they're doing. Let's follow science. Let's follow strategy.

1:18:09Jordy Meiselas:Let's have some semblance of decency in this country. We don't need all of this chaos. And just enough with the BS. So many of the things that we speak about and so much of this stuff, it's not like the reflecting pool was not a Democrat or Republican issue. So many of these are not even partisan things. It's just you have these freaking clowns right now in power who just are, they're just morons. They're just really, really, really, they're moronic. They don't follow facts. And that to me is like one of the most damaging things imaginable. They've turned the White House into a trailer park. They've made it look just so, so, so low rent.

1:18:47Jordy Meiselas:They have just made a fool out of the United States on the global stage. And I know Ben is going to do deep dives on this about the G7 and what's going on over there and what Mark Carney is saying in Canada, but you see how it's affecting the United States' global standing. Once looked as a beacon of the world, once looked at this is a country that may be imperfect, but they are fighting and the arc is bending towards justice and towards democracy and a fairer and more decent society, and they are trying to act as protectors of the world and of Europe and Canada. Now they're saying Europe is the future.

1:19:24Jordy Meiselas:We need to be looking to Europe. We need to be looking to China. We need to be looking to all these other countries that are far more stable than the United States, because whatever the hell is going on there, we do not want to be a part of it. And it's not good for us. And it's not good for the United States either. And so, you know, that's basically me tying it all together right there. But it's just a freaking mess. But, you know, we'll continue to dig our way out of it rather than using the rule of holes like Donald Trump does. We will actually dig our way out of it with logic and with reason and with facts and with science and with decency and get all of this MAGA BS behind us.

1:20:04Brett Meiselas:Exactly. Ben, Brad, real quick, I've never heard anyone describe the color green as Ninja Turtle green before you two. And so that's how I am exclusively going to refer to green things that look Ninja Turtle green from now on. I think it's a great way to describe the color green. I mean, it's a freaking glow stick.

1:20:22Jordy Meiselas:You know those glow sticks you get at like bar mitzvahs and weddings? It looks like a glow stick. It's that. Like I said, if I said that this is what it's going to look like, you'd be like, come on, that's AI. This is ridiculous. This is insane.

1:20:37Brett Meiselas:It's not the fact that it is insane and a glow stick and Ninja Turtle green, but it's just it's it's a metaphor for the larger ethos of the trump regime which is painted blue which is i'll do whatever i want here i'm going to paint it blue you're not going to know any better covid happens stop the testing slow down the testing no cases covid happens chinese spy balloons are in here i'm not going to tell anybody that didn't happen under my presidency only only the other guy's presidency so chinese not didn't happen not here and then tarp put up the tarp over the Kennedy Center. Do that. Cover it up.

1:21:12Brett Meiselas:That speaks to the children that are in charge right now. No offense to children. They're worse than children. Brett, they're maliciously moronic is the issue, is they know that they should know better. They do know better, but yet they still decide to do the dumbest and most evil outcome that I guess only benefits them, but I don't fully understand why they think painting the reflecting pool blue and having it turn Ninja Turtle green as a side effect would be good play for them in the long haul when every expert was telling them, hey, don't do that, Ben.

1:21:51Ben Meiselas:Yeah, and this is what I'll leave everybody with, though, because this is how I think we try to think about things, is how do we get out of this cycle? Because when you fix these things with the appropriate degree of care, it could be very painful. When former President Biden had to address the reality that he was handed and he was transparent about the problems and he ripped the bandage off and had people fix it the same way if you kind of cover up the injury or you just put a lot of bandages over it. You don't see it, but it doesn't mean the wound isn't there. And it can be very painful to try to fix it.

1:22:48Ben Meiselas:When you see it, it may immediately conjure certain reactions that can cause fear and panic, but you have to fix it. And in four-year political cycles, or when it comes to Congress, two-year political cycles, it becomes very easy for a concerted opposition to offer nothing constructive other than to purely tear down and to be against. And what Trump has been successful at, I don't mean this in a positive way about him, is he's been able to really attack, bully, divide, demean, oppose, and spread lies and conspiracies. conspiracies, he's been very effective at tearing down and destroying under the ultimate fraud, in my opinion, that he is a builder and a dealmaker when he's actually the opposite.

1:23:54Ben Meiselas:He is a destroyer and a deal ripper. So how do we, and I mean this, this is the true goal, And it requires us not to think as a Democrat, Republican, Independent. It truly asks us to take a step back and to think holistically as Americans who simply want the best for future generations. How do we fix this system long-term and how do we push back and prevent the divisive tricks, chicanery, culture wars that truly prevent us from uniting and building a better future together. And that's what we think about every day in our coverage. And so you may go, well, okay, that's great, Ben, you identified the problem, but what's your solution?

1:24:58Ben Meiselas:And the solution, though, to me, is part of accurate news dissemination, and it is unifying around values and principles and enduring truths as Americans and as citizens of the world to improve fundamentally our lives. It asks us to think critically about the motivations and intentions of people who want to divide us and why. It asks us to really reflect on what's truly going on and how we can keep a guard to all of that and unite together around common values and principles. And that's what we try to do here also, is to encourage that, not as a political party, but as a organizing concept for how we live our lives and how we can help each other and care for each other and love each other and support each other through this all.

1:26:02Ben Meiselas:So I'll stop preaching and I'll leave you with that. You can't just paint it blue, okay? You got to deal with the systemic issues. You got to deal with the truth. And you got to be honest with people if you really want to fix these problems. Thanks, everybody, for watching. Hit subscribe. Subscribe to the Midas Touch on audio. It's one of the best ways you can help. And it's free by subscribing to Midas Touch wherever you get audio podcasts and leave a five-star review. Thanks so much. We appreciate you. Jordi, I'll let you take it away.

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