MeidasTouch Full Podcast - 7/10/26

16:40Brett Meiselas:Yeah. Why is he not a good, hard question?

16:44Jordy Meiselas:When will he end this war? That's a good question. I don't think I've ever asked him that question. I'm going to ask him that question. Mr. President, what's the status of a trial deal between you and Ukraine? What's the status of a trial? By the way, I will tell you, though, he's going to tell you that he wants it ended as soon as he can end it.

17:04Ben Meiselas:He wants it ended.

17:05Jordy Meiselas:He wants it ended soon. And I ask him, and we talk. I talked to him a lot. I talked to him a little bit less, but the relationship is very good. But I talked to President Putin a lot. He wants to end the war. Mr. President, a lot of people don't believe that. What's the status of the deal between Ukraine?

17:27Ben Meiselas:What are President Putin's conditions for ending the war?

17:30Jordy Meiselas:Well, they were certain conditions. They were a little bit different. I think they're changing. I think they're probably getting a little bit better toward some of the things that you'd like.

17:40Ben Meiselas:And that's what he says right there. Let's role play, he goes. Ask a question of Putin. I'll answer and I'll play the role of Putin. I want to stop the war with Zelensky sitting there. I mean, do we all realize how utterly deranged that is, Brett,

17:58Jordy Meiselas:it all comes from, you know, the Roy Cohn school that Donald Trump grew up in. Roy Cohn was Donald Trump's mentor back in the day. And what was his big thing? It was never apologize, never admit wrongdoing, no matter how big or small. You just, you can never admit that you're wrong. And so that's why you see Trump contort himself now, especially with his declining mental state at this point, as he forgets more and more things. When he catches himself, he can't say that was a mistake like any normal person would do, right? Oh, I meant Zelensky, right? You can make the mistake. I've made similar mistakes before, but I'll say it's a mistake if I realize that I'm making the mistake.

18:34Jordy Meiselas:I don't double down on it and then act like I meant to do it the whole time and then create these other scenarios around it. And so, you know, you see Trump do it there and then you see him do it at the reflecting pool, right? He can't admit wrongdoing there. He can't admit wrongdoing when it comes to any of these situations, no matter how big or small, it's very Roy Cohn aspect about him that he takes everywhere. And I just don't think that's what you want in a leader, especially when you're dealing with issues of war and peace, when you're actually trying to get legitimate information out there.

19:02Jordy Meiselas:But this is what we are dealing with right now.

19:05Brett Meiselas:Well, and it's so obvious the cognitive collapse is just on such full display these days, Brett, where to your point, it's not just that he doesn't answer the questions. It's actually that I get the sense that he can't. That when someone asks him something very directly, and it's very clear what the question is, he either says he can't understand you, the accent, I can't understand, and then just decides to speak nonsense, or if he is actually able to hear the question, he physically and mentally can't internalize, like, I don't know how to respond to this. So you know what I'm going to do? You're such a great reporter.

19:41Brett Meiselas:That's a good question. It's a really good question. And now let me spend five minutes talking about why I won the 2020 election. That's his whole playbook now too. It's because his crutch are his lies. His crutch is his celebrity. And I don't mean like celebrity in like a cool way. I just mean it in the way that like, I feel like so often reporters kind of get like odd by Trump because he's whatever the heck he is. And I do though, have to give it up to these reporters here who have really done a phenomenal job, like really asking very pointed question and then following up as well with questions that he doesn't answer, but at least they're on him to get the response that they're at least hoping for.

20:23Brett Meiselas:I've noticed that throughout this whole sort of travel that they've done a really good job just at least pinning him to answer anything. And what it shows me is that he is just incapable. He's incapable of giving rational thoughts and rational responses at this point. It's not an excuse. I'm not excusing his behavior, but I think the fact that he's the oldest president to ever be a president of this United States, people really need to start taking a look at what that looks like from Donald Trump because his cognitive collapse is just beyond alarming at this point. It really is. Yeah.

20:56Ben Meiselas:Look at this next one where he says Islamic Republic of Japan. He goes, the Islamic Republic of Japan. Let's play that one.

21:05Jordy Meiselas:We had 111 missile shot by the Islamic Republic of Japan.

21:11Ben Meiselas:I mean, the Islamic Republic of Japan. And then when he goes in Air Force One, remember, he also just think about the incredible waste, fraud, and abuse. So he made the old Air Force One travel to pick him up in Turkey, in Ankara, and then covered up the fact that the Qatari Air Force One really wasn't equipped with the necessary defense capabilities to fly back to where it needed to be refueled at the Royal Air Force Base in the UK. so then trump claimed that the royal air force base was going to be used as like a museum showing for the qatari air force one because that's how he was going to honor the troops by letting them see the qatari air force one then took a photo of them in front of the qatari air force one jet in the uk to be like hey look everybody this is why they were really here but the real reason is seems to be that the old air force one had the defensive capabilities that the qatari one didn't that everybody warned about.

22:13Ben Meiselas:But in any event, when Donald Trump was flying back, he makes up that Iran, like the country, calls him. And they said, they called me. They want to make a deal so badly because we destroy their military and they want to make a deal so badly. Here, play this clip.

22:34Jordy Meiselas:We have many ways we can win, but we've already won militarily. They have very little left and they want to make a deal so badly. They called a little while ago, they want to make a deal so badly. I just don't know if they're worthy of making a deal. I don't know if they're going to honor the deal.

22:50Ben Meiselas:Oh, Donald Trump, the arbiter of who honors deals. Literally, the guy who breaches every deal his whole life, doesn't do deals, destroys, breaches, breach this MOU. You're going to tell me, I'm going to see if they'll honor you this guy who has no honor at all. Let me just be very clear. I did a lot of videos of this. So I don't need to just continue to hit this point, but focus on these strategic petroleum reserves. We're about 19 million barrels away from not just hitting functional tank bottom, but really putting us in an emergency situation. The strategic reserves that we have in Cushing, Oklahoma are sold to a global market.

23:34Ben Meiselas:And that's part of what the Trump regime is doing. in addition to, in my opinion, engaging in a massive short selling scheme for the price of crude in order to bring down the prices of crude. The issue is that that's not necessarily bringing down the prices that the refineries are selling at, which is a different marketplace where you ultimately need the actual, it's not paper trades, it's the real refined product, which becomes your gasoline or diesel or other distillation. It's why it's often called a 3-2-1 crack spread because the spread is measured as the delta or the difference between the price of the crude and the refinery price that they use for the two barrels of gas and the one barrel, which is either jet fuel or the diesel.

24:39Ben Meiselas:And so that spread price right now, that crack spread is about$65 a barrel, which is at an all time high, like a record high. And that's why you're not seeing relief at the pump. And when Donald Trump has escalated this right now and escalated this war, what that's going to put a huge amount of pressure on is the strategic reserves. And we're 10 days, 11 days now or so from hitting the emergency area where the whole system may just shut off. And that's a major, major issue that Iran is aware about. And so Iran's strategy basically is control the Strait of Hormuz as much as possible. Don't allow any ships to go through that US lane that US is trying to open up by Oman.

25:36Ben Meiselas:Continue deterrence there by striking the ships, which they did, let the US, it's going to attack you, you strike back, but keep your fast boat capabilities and kind of run out the clock. Iran's been able to get out about 50 to 60 million barrels of oil since the US blockade has gone away. Last night, Iran got out 10 million barrels. So if you're like, well, why isn't Iran shut down the Strait of Ramuzia? They have a strategy. strategy that they need to get rid of about 50 million more barrels and they have a buyer in China and those teapot refineries in China buying them all up and China's buying and they got a buyer and China's involved in this strategy too you know and and this is being heavily coordinated foreign minister they know what they're doing and so they're pushing it out which let's be clear in Iran it's not like Iran's like making it right you know it's not like they're like their people are like thriving financially.

26:36Ben Meiselas:And we'll talk about this Brett and Jerry when we come right back. But they have a strategy of, okay, we can now make it 18 to 24 more months now with this strategy.

26:45Jordy Meiselas:I want you to think about this too, right? You have the strategic petroleum reserves that will very soon hit rock bottom, tank bottom rather. You have the Pentagon right now heading for bankruptcy. Like the Pentagon has run through its nearly, remember that$1 trillion budget, the biggest budget in history. And now Trump and the Republicans are like, we need one and a half trillion for next year. You're like, one and a half trillion? That's like double what it was last year. That's absurd. I thought we were going to rein in military spending, not get reckless with it. Well, we're almost now out of all the money.

27:16Jordy Meiselas:The Pentagon is almost out, totally broke. And so now there's a lot of panic about that. And there's debate about the funding over the money. There's right now a package that's been kind of in limbo right now to provide tens of billions more dollars to the Pentagon because people don't like the answers. The politicians, the Democrats don't like the answers that Donald Trump has been giving on this war because he continues to lie about it. So we have a Pentagon that is going broke. You have the oil reserves that are being depleted. You have our munitions throughout the world being completely depleted.

27:49Jordy Meiselas:You have our bases being hit, key infrastructure being destroyed. And so you have Iran sitting there and they're like, all right, we're going to play chess. We're going to get this one out. We're going to let this all happen. And Donald Trump, you say that we don't have the cards. Well, we know that you don't have the cards. We knew that you didn't have the cards before because we were also looking at the data. And we also know you don't have the cards because you admitted it live on television a few weeks ago. You confirmed what all the data said on live TV a few weeks back when you said that your advisors told you that you had about four weeks left to make it through in terms of oil supply, or the economy was going to go into a catastrophic recession slash depression.

28:34Jordy Meiselas:Those were Donald Trump's words just a few weeks back. And so they know this, they know this. And so Trump right now is at a stage where I think he thinks he needs to escalate and just really try to shock and awe right now and make a big show out of it and see if he could use firepower to scare them one last time in these final moments. But Iran knows that all they have to do is sit back and chill. And so this entire strategy, the whole premise of the military effort by the United States from day one, even if you agree with this war, and let me be clear, I don't, but even if you agree with this war, the entire military strategy was based on a completely false premise.

29:18Jordy Meiselas:It was based on a complete and total lie. I don't know if they were lying to themselves by thinking that the people in Iran would say, oh, Donald Trump, Bibi Netanyahu. Yes. Oh, you choose our next Ayatollah. That's exactly what, remember that lie back in the day, Donald Trump said that they wanted him to choose the next Ayatollah and he was going to, I mean, just think about it. It was sounding stupid back then. It sounds even more stupid today, but this is the stuff they were telling themselves that they were going to go in there, be greeted as liberators. I've heard this my whole life from the United States government.

29:47Jordy Meiselas:It's not even just Trump. I heard this with George W. Bush going into Iraq. They're going to greet us like liberators. You just see. I've been lied to into these wars as a country now for decades and decades and decades. Trump may be the most brazen about it, but many presidents before him have done the same exact thing. And it's a flawed premise when you don't actually understand who you're going up against, what their goals are, what the people actually believe. And that is a huge fatal flaw right now for the United States military. And they're very kind of macho, we need to blow it all up kind of team America kind of strategy, which just is not applicable to this kind of warfare.

30:28Brett Meiselas:Exactly. And like, this goes back to something you said earlier, Brett, too, about just Republicans standing for absolute nothing anymore. Like as the Pentagon goes broke with the out of control spending that we're seeing. You lose me, Republican voter, MAGA voter who votes for Trump, Republican voter who votes for Trump. When you're like, I'm socially liberal, I'm a socially liberal guy, but my policies, I'm fiscally conservative though. And so that's why I'm voting for Donald Trump because he's going to do good things, man. He's going to do good things with that. No, no, they're all lying. No, you're a liar.

30:59Brett Meiselas:You wanted to vote for Trump because you wanted the ICE raids, right? That's why. You don't like the Mexican, get out of the country. That's why you voted for him, just be man enough and stand up and say, that's why. I wouldn't respect you for saying that. I think it's a horrendous thing, but at least you're being honest at that point. Don't give me the, oh, you know, fiscally conservative. So no, you're not. No, you're not. Because time after time, the Republican party has showed us exactly who they are. They are warmongers. They are just imploding budgets left and right. They have no fiscal, conservative, financial bone in their body.

31:33Brett Meiselas:They've exposed themselves. They've exposed themselves to their own con. And it's absolutely infuriating and ridiculous that generations of future Americans now have to live through the trauma that is the Republican Party.

31:45Ben Meiselas:Let's take our first quick break of the show. When we come back, we have a lot more to discuss on the Midas Touch podcast. A reminder, subscribe to the Midas Touch on audio. Even if you don't listen to audio podcasts, start right now. And if you do listen to audio podcasts, please make sure you subscribe to the Midas Touch audio podcast. Also, there's a QR code that may make it easier. If you just click that, boom, you can subscribe right away to the audio podcast.

32:09Jordy Meiselas:All right. It's in the other direction, Ben's finger.

32:12Ben Meiselas:There it is. Really? For me, it's very...

32:14Brett Meiselas:It's like, Ben, it's like weathermen and weather people on TV. It's always the opposite.

32:19Ben Meiselas:I'm not a weatherman. Jordi, I'm a YouTube newscaster. Let's take our first quick break. Have a good one.

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35:14Brett Meiselas:Use the links, use the codes. If there's an exit survey, let them know what we sent you. Benji, where to next?

35:21Ben Meiselas:Yeah. I mean, I just think that this is why it's important to have confidence, to be transparent with the American people, to reflect what the strategy is. It's why we're supposed to have a system of checks and balances. And it's appalling that Congress just doesn't work. And it's a concerted effort, too, I believe, with Trump and Mag and Mike to basically just keep the House out of session for as long as possible and not do its job. We should be talking every day about war powers resolutions. Congress should be zealously guarding its Article 1 authority in order to stop this unlawful and catastrophic war right now.

36:04Ben Meiselas:and they're not even showing up, not even showing up.

36:08Brett Meiselas:Yeah, but you mean that in the literal sense. Like they don't work. Congress doesn't work. They don't show up to work. You know, I don't know the stat to be exactly 100 % correct, but if you're looking at it side by side, days that they've taken office, days that they've been in office, I'd bet that they've not worked more than they've worked this year.

36:28Jordy Meiselas:That's why it's so offensive, Jordy, when like, so, you know, I got to give a hat tip to Pablo Manriquez, our DC Bureau reporter, who is on the ground getting the Capitol Hill interviews. And he got that wild clip of Representative Troy Nels from Texas, Republican congressman who's retiring. Apparently, he's got like an evil twin brother who's going to run for the same seat. And so there's going to be a guy who looks exactly like him. They're both wacky.

36:51Brett Meiselas:With cigar in hand and everything, like the whole thing. I think the whole thing, yeah. Cartoon villains, man.

36:56Jordy Meiselas:Yeah, cartoon villains. And Pablo asked him a question like, what's your message to people? or Americans struggling about affordability. And I know this clip got like, like I don't know, five plus million views or something. And Nels said something like, you know, 4th of July, I'm gonna be having some lobster. I'm gonna have some steak. It's gonna be great. It's gonna be, I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I'm doing amazing. I'm gonna be with my friends. We're gonna have all this lobster tail. And like, they are okay with being so brazen about it also. like where if any sort of Democrat said anything like that, it would be a story for weeks.

37:36Jordy Meiselas:And like they would chase the people out of Washington, D.C. And then Julian, a reporter from DropSite, who does Julian does a great job. He was on the Capitol. He asked the follow up question. Wait, like, don't you think that's a little out of touch that you're going to be having a lobster? Like, what do you think that says to your constituents, like that you're bragging about this excess that you're having? Not that you can't have lobster, but that you're bragging about it when asked a question about affordability for your constituents. And Nels goes, Nels' comment was like, oh yeah, I just probably work harder than them.

38:08Jordy Meiselas:I work harder than them. So if they wanted to work as hard as me, and it's like, dude, you're a member of Congress. Do you know how much respect people have for your profession? Let me give you a hint. It's below zero, okay? No, people do not like Congress as a whole, and they certainly do not like seeing Congress leave DC all the time. Now, there are certain functions, sometimes for congress people to leave dc right to hold town halls to meet with their constituents to do work back home and that's completely acceptable but most of these people are going back home and they're taking vacation they're chilling they're like uh troy nels having their lobster dinners their steak dinners and not only having it which is fine again but rubbing it in the faces of their constituents who are struggling and who can't also because because of this too

38:54Brett Meiselas:just understand that when Congress isn't in session, you still get paid. Troy still gets to collect his paychecks. He doesn't have to work and get paid. No, name me other professions where you don't have to show up to work to get paid, to get a paycheck. That's why Troy's like, man, those lobster dinners. Oh, I just love these lobsters. I could come to the office. Don't have to come to the office. I'm going to have a great holiday. I don't need to do anything because I don't care about you, American person. That's the Republican party, man. I know I keep singling them out. But when they are the single party that continues to disappoint you in ways where it's so obvious that they don't want to help the American people, knowing how great this country could be if everyone just worked for it, if the people who represented us actually gave a damn.

39:37Brett Meiselas:Ah, and you see the Troy Nelses coming down from his steps, talking about his lobster dinners, when you can't afford gas, when you can't afford groceries, man. It really, it just, it boils my blood. It just, it really, really does, Ben. I'm sorry. Yeah.

39:51Ben Meiselas:When I was watching Mike Flood, the Nebraska Congress member's town hall, and I saw, you know, there are so many compelling images that I saw. You know, I saw a father with his severely disabled son saying to Mike Flood, you know, the so-called big, beautiful bill is really hurting us. It's preventing my son from getting the access to the care that he needs. And we're the type of people that you're accusing of like defrauding the healthcare system. You know, when I saw a woman from his district who said, I have a lot of family members and friends who are severely sick right now. And I know people who have died because they haven't been able to get healthcare services because you took away their healthcare and they're not able to get screenings.

40:48Ben Meiselas:They're not able to go to checkups and they're dead now. When you then see how cavalierly, I mean, look, at least the guy showed up to a town hall. I mean, whereas no other MAGA Republicans are, but when he's there and he acts like the one big, beautiful bill, as they call it, which is the disastrous bill is helping people. And you see the people saying, no, it isn't. And he's like, yeah, the real issue here is we're just we're targeting all these fraudsters on Medicaid and you got to work and you got to work. And Jordi, to your point, you all aren't working. Congress isn't working. And you're accusing people of taking what?

41:30Ben Meiselas:Medicaid health care services. That's how you're accusing them of getting rich off of Medicaid health care related services. Where the waste, fraud and abuse takes place is not at the patient level. It's at the Rick Scott level, the MAGA Republican Senator from Florida who would operate this company that would do double billing and false billing. It's the right wing. It's the people who Donald Trump is pardoning. That's where the waste fraud and abuse is occurring, not at the people. And constantly this Trump regime is attacking the people over and over and over again. We're speaking about Republican Congress members right here while they're not working.

42:08Ben Meiselas:You have, you know, this guy who I'm going to show you, he's the Intelligence Committee Chair. It's not just I'm showing you any MAGA Republican Congress member, right? I'm showing you the guy, the person who's supposed to have access to the most intelligence, right? He's the Chair of the Intelligence Community of these United States of America right now. He goes on the various state regime networks. And here's what he said this morning. Here, play this clip.

42:41Jordy Meiselas:You see these AstroTurf crowds supporting the regime in Tehran, but I don't believe that propaganda. I think the Iranian people are supportive of the United States coming in

42:54Brett Meiselas:and helping them to achieve liberty. And I think that's the direction we need to go.

42:58Jordy Meiselas:Oh, for sure. the Iranian people are thanking President Trump. It's all over social media.

43:03Ben Meiselas:I think to myself, I'm so blessed and lucky to have started this Midas Touch network with you all so that we can just have an outlet that's bigger than what you just saw to tell the truth. For those on audio, what we're sharing with you is the most recent images coming out of Iran for one of the final days of this funeral procession. These are from today. These are from today, correct. And this is in Iran from today. Yesterday and the day before was Iraq. And then two days before that, it was Tehran and Qam in Iran. So it was Iran two days, Iraq two days, and Iran today. And today was in Mashhad.

43:52Ben Meiselas:And you had objectively tens of millions of people. And so Rick Crawford will tell you Iran is bankrupt. They're broke. Then he'll also tell you they're paid actors. It's astroturf. So what they paid with their bankrupt country, they've managed to figure out how they were going to pay 10 million people, not just in Iran, but Iraq, to coordinate this astroturfed event in multiple countries that have huge Shiite populations, or perhaps the Ayatollah is basically like the equivalent of the Pope for the Shiite community, a political and spiritual leader for the Shiite community. Even if you say the Iranian regime does not have the support of the majority of the people in Iran, so be it.

44:49Ben Meiselas:I think you can make a reasonable argument to that extent. The support and the strong support of a substantial portion of the population, and this is I think an undisputed fact, is very evident. If anything, the behavior by people like Rick Crawford, Trump Magazine have brought people closer to the regime, to the Ayatollah, to the IRGC, to the leadership structure, and not the Islamic Republic of Japan, but the Islamic Republic of Iran than ever before. And so when you have the head of the intelligence community say that, after all of the data that this was some astroturf thing right now, you go, wow, wow.

45:36Ben Meiselas:These people are either, and it's probably both, the most malicious and heinous liars or the biggest idiots. And regardless, you get the same outcome, which is catastrophic for us because these people are saying, they're still to this day, July, we'll be greeted like heroes. If we just show up, they want Trump. They want Netanyahu. They don't. They really don't. They really, really don't in the biggest possible way. Yet that guy is the number one guy in Congress, in the intelligence community saying that.

46:14Jordy Meiselas:And then you have him saying it to a Fox host who then parrots it as if it's just the truth. Yes. That's what everyone in Iran wants. Everyone in Iran wants the United States to come and invade. Yes, that's what they're all asking for. And, you know, and we covered the pro-democracy protests in Iran back in February. You know, it was, there was a short window there where it seemed like, you know, there may be something happening. You see the crowds here. You know, these are massive, massive, massive crowds in Iran. Why are you guys doing that?

46:44Ben Meiselas:Oh, because, I mean, there's the scale and scope and size and everything. I mean, it's, I mean, you know, I certainly think that there was large crowds, but. Ben and Jordy were like nodding their heads at me.

46:55Jordy Meiselas:No, I mean, look. And that's what I was getting to, right? You know, that's literally what I was ramping up to as before you guys were making funny faces at me. I wasn't making funny faces at me. You look at the scale and scope of what we see right now and it's, you know, it's vast. And you look at these pictures and it's as far as the eye can see. And not only is, you know, this just a reality, they're not paying all of these people to be there. but in addition to that one of the things that you see is this rally around the flag effect and I think oftentimes you know it helps to look at the perspective of what's happening in other countries if you thought about it as if it were your country because for some reason we treat countries in the Middle East and countries that aren't European oftentimes as if they're like barbaric like aliens or like aliens or something we'd like think they have like zero motives for the way they feel about the United States.

47:49Jordy Meiselas:We think that everything just happens in a vacuum. I mean, think about all, you know, all the things that they say right now. Think about all the things that Bush used to say. They hate us for our freedom. They hate us. That's it. They hate us for our freedom. That's what they hate us for. I think they hate us because we blew up maybe a commercial airline jet in the country in the 80s. I think they hate us because of all the invasions and instability we've created in the region, because of all the massacres, the millions.

48:12Brett Meiselas:Blowing up a little girl's school doesn't help. Stealing their oil.

48:15Jordy Meiselas:Stealing their oil. I mean, they have a lot of reasons to hate us, right? Like, we have to understand these things don't happen in a vacuum here. And so when we go into a country with shock and awe the way we did, when we bomb it, to Jordy's point, when we blow up a girls' school, when you have Donald Trump and Pete Hexeth going on TV every single day and saying things like, we will rain down fire and fury on Iran, when you have Donald Trump tweeting things like, tonight, we will annihilate an entire civilization. We will destroy Iranian civilization for good. I think even the people who may be, even against the regime, may take that a little bit personally still, that you want to wipe out their civilization and may think, okay, I got to buckle down right now.

49:06Jordy Meiselas:And now I need to defend. And it's not just about this regime even. It's about thousands of years.

49:12Ben Meiselas:And can I say one thing, Brett, to add to that? Even the way the Trump regime treated the FIFA team of Iran and mocked them and treated them like crap in sports, you have to remember, even secular Iranians watching the behavior of how you treated their football team, which regardless of their views in Iran, they feel a great degree inside Iran of pride in their football team. the way you treated them like absolute trash, like cockroaches in the worst, would rally people around, you know, would rally. And this is what we went back to before in the episode, which is, you know, it is malicious, evil, idiotic, all combined into one.

49:52Ben Meiselas:And the outcome ultimately is also very harmful to people here in the United States and the rest of the world and in Iran.

49:59Jordy Meiselas:And let me just say this too. Iran, of course, the Iranian regime is propaganda. Every country is propaganda, right? And they're going to pump out their propaganda as best they can to try to win people over. Of course, I'm not going to argue with that as well. You know who else is propaganda? Like I said, every other country in the world. The United States is propaganda as well. But I got to say, we've been really freaking bad at it, like as bad as could be with the propaganda. Because if from the beginning of this war, if we truly wanted to win over the hearts and minds of the Iranian people, you would not have Donald Trump and Pete Hexeth going out there threatening to blow up entire civilizations.

50:33Jordy Meiselas:You would not have them out there threatening to kill people. They would actually be saying opposite things. They would be saying things to appeal to the Iranian people, to appeal to people who might oppose the regime, to try to actually build a movement that could overthrow the regime. But I, and I like, you know, I know when people say, when we give these other perspectives, you occasionally get a comment like, how could you, are you doing pro Iran regime? No, I'm just telling you what's going on here. Okay. And this is just what's happening. If the United States actually wanted to do something here, they could have done something more intelligent.

51:05Jordy Meiselas:I obviously don't support this war at all. We shouldn't be there. But if they were going to go through with this, maybe, I don't know, consult somebody who knows a modicum about the country, about the region, somebody who knows what actually appeals to the Iranian people, something that you think could actually get through to the Iranian people and inspire people. Let me tell you, I assure you, it is not Bibi Netanyahu and Donald Trump showing up on their television saying, I'm here to help you, and then blowing up a girl's school the next day, firing missiles into their neighborhoods. What the hell was the plan?

51:38Jordy Meiselas:What is the plan? There is no plan. And it's just the dumbest people running things that are doing it in the most malicious ways. And it just goes to show you, if that's the guy, Ben, who you just played, who's in the top position in our intelligence community, those are the people that are making decisions about this still. And then you wonder why we're losing the war. You wonder why we're getting totally outmaneuvered when it comes to either warfare or information warfare, propaganda. It's because we have these idiots who refuse to acknowledge just basic facts because they want to pump their chest and say, go America, USA, USA, when it's a lot deeper and more complex than that.

52:18Brett Meiselas:my genuine worry with where we are right now in this war with donald trump and his just full-on dementia addled brain that we see continue to take shape here is we're going to get to a point very soon uh that there's no coming back from i think donald trump is getting frustrated with where we're at in this war that he is losing and he knows he's losing no matter how many times he wants to say that he's winning and my fear is knowing the malignant narcissist that is donald trump that knowing that he wants to put his fingerprints on literally everything think golden arch think reflecting pool think anything that donald trump has ever done with his life putting his name on everything he likes to see a stamp on there my genuine fear is that he's surrounded himself by all of these yes people that are either playing dumb they're like smart people playing dumb or dumb people trying to play smart here that will just do exactly what Donald Trump tells them to do.

53:21Brett Meiselas:And my real concern is that he does something in a bombing war capacity that there's just absolutely no going back from at this point that could genuinely escalate to a World War III level type of situation. And I know that might sound like I'm being hyperbolic in the situation, but I'm not ruling anything off the table at this point. He is so erratic with his decisions and the people surrounding him just want his approval. And also to a certain degree, he's kind of running out of time, right? Like he's running out of time to put those fingerprints out. I think where most people see Congress moving in these next couple of weeks, months with the midterms coming up is a blue wave to a certain degree that may impede Trump's ability to do that.

54:11Brett Meiselas:And so within these next few months, I'm not making predictions. That's a disgusting thing to do in something like this. I'm just simply expressing my fear and concern with how quickly we could really start to see escalation now that we've seen a continuation of the war. Not that it was ever stopped really, but now that he's already doing what he's doing and we're seeing these new bombings come through, I think anything's on the table, Ben.

54:34Ben Meiselas:Right. And again, you go back to how could you possibly have these exacts and this is a great point that brett made how could you have the exact same deja vu talking points from march i mean to now we should never have had those talking points at all um but how could you not see the lesson that was so obvious the lesson and the lesson couldn't be more in your face right now as you see the shiite community showing up and others not just shiite community i saw a bunch of other people as well you know in Iraq and Iran for the Ayatollah's funeral and other countries showing up there. And how could your conclusion be after seeing that just objectively, not rooting for them, just how could your objective conclusion could be actually all those people there actually love Donald Trump and Netanyahu.

55:22Ben Meiselas:And they're actually just astroturfing this entire thing and all their signs and all of their presence and all of the things that this is all actually part of their plan to want, I mean, how could that truly be your conclusion? And if these are the people coming up with that conclusion on that, think about the conclusion that they draw on every single issue, on everything that they do. You know, it's one thing when you say, I'm going to paint the reflecting pool blue in order to get rid of the algae problem and the algae comes back. It's obviously disgraceful and gross, but fortunately, the repercussions are just this kind of grotesque thing, although Trump makes it worse by arresting people and turning it into part of a fascist agenda.

56:11Ben Meiselas:But in theory, the consequences are light. But what happens when you lie about your beef exports? Totally. And a Reuters report says, actually, we just exposed that the Department of Agriculture overstated their beef export number, their sales by 90%, and just made up all of these countries. That the U.S. Department of Agriculture has to revise its late June U.S. beef export numbers down 90%. Quite the error, as we say on the Midas Touch Network. You have things like that. What happens when these people say, actually, no vaccines? And then you say no vaccines to your military. Then everybody gets illnesses.

56:57Ben Meiselas:And actually, there's a reason why we actually did that. Or worse, when you have massive deaths and measles outbreaks and all of these things taking place. Or you cut USAID aid and there's millions of deaths and hundreds of thousands and millions of deaths across the globe. Or you get into catastrophic and unlawful wars. And then your conclusion is not, hmm, recalibrate, change decisions. No, it's double down. Yeah, what we did, let's just keep on doing that over and over. Let's do more of that. That's a real fatal process or lack thereof that keeps repeating itself. Let's take our last quick break of the show.

57:39Ben Meiselas:When we come back, we've still got a lot to say. I want to talk about what some of these people were doing on the international stage, what we saw over there. Also, a reminder, subscribe to Midas Touch on Audio, wherever you get your audio podcasts, subscribe on audio, and we appreciate you. You can click that. Can't click it. Good job. Can't click it.

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1:01:18Ben Meiselas:Just think about it this way. When Donald Trump was at the NATO summit, he continued to threaten to invade a NATO member. Let me just think about what I just said. He was there. He kept on talking about the reason he hates NATO. He's at a NATO summit. He says the reason that he hates NATO or is angry at NATO is because they wouldn't give him Greenland. Here you go, Donald. Here's Greenland. He also talked about how he wants to embargo Spain, another NATO member. And that he said to Mark Rutte, the kind of feckless Secretary General of NATO, can you kick them out, Mark? Can you kick out Spain? We don't want Spain and NATO.

1:02:00Ben Meiselas:They're mean to me. It's like Spain's met its commitments. They're good. I don't like Spain. And by the way, the prime minister of Spain at NATO said, yeah, I talked to Donald Trump. They're like, was he aggressive to you? Did he threaten you? And the prime minister of Spain was like, no, it's normal conversation. We talked about the World Cup, exchanged pleasantries. Was that before or after he said all of those things at the NATO summit? After. After Trump said all of these things, embargo, we hate Spain, Spain's the worst, the worst people, when he was in front of your face, all you did was talk about the, yeah, he didn't say anything, didn't say a word, it was just a normal conversation.

1:02:43Ben Meiselas:You know, and that's the thing too, you know, when Donald Trump with Georgia Maloney, keyboard warrior posts, restraining order regarding the leader of Italy, the prime minister of Italy. And then remember he was asked about it and he was like, yeah, no, I mean, I was just upset that you wouldn't let us use the bases to invade Iran, but you know, otherwise we've gotten along and it's like, oh God. But you've said restraining order. You accused the prime minister of Italy of basically stalking you and being obsessed with you. And now when you're there and you're asked the question in person, you don't want to stand on business and say why you did that.

1:03:23Ben Meiselas:When you see the Spanish prime minister, Spain's prime minister, you don't want to confront it. By the way, it's something that Obama said recently on a podcast, more broadly about the culture. And frankly, it's a culture that also is very kind of Trumpy. And it's a big problem for lots of future generations who have all they've known is kind of Trump, sadly. You know, you think about this for when I spoke to Governor Shapiro is what he said about his son. His son, too, other people. And all they've kind of grown up with is Trump. And they see that as someone in the Oval Office and in a leadership position.

1:03:59Ben Meiselas:But what Obama said is, you know, whenever I'm with Trump, we're at an event and he's in front of me, he'll never say it to my face. He'll never go there. He'll never confront me. There's no Obama. It's always normal. And he always acts like he doesn't post these things. And Obama's like, because he's afraid. He's scared. And that's a real, you know, it's not, this isn't a Democrat, Republican, independent thing. This is a real issue. Character. Character really matters. And to see the lack of character, people talk about slop, right? It's like AI slop and slop. It's like Trump's like walking slop.

1:04:44Ben Meiselas:And to see that represent the United States at the NATO summit is deeply disturbing. There's no one who should be proud of what they observed. I don't care if you're a Democrat, Republican, or independent. That wasn't strength. That wasn't respect, that wasn't competence, that wasn't anything. It was really, and the world leaders look at him not scared. They just look at him as like this walking blob, this walking slop, this thing. You saw there with some of those other clips that we showed you of Zelensky. Go back and watch him. I don't have to play him again. Zelensky was there. He had to get the licenses in order to get Patriot interceptors.

1:05:41Ben Meiselas:Zelensky wants to make it himself. Trump has depleted not just our strategic petroleum reserves, but our munitions. It's also one of the reasons why we can't even sell some Patriot interceptors to Europe for Europe to give to Ukraine. Ukraine needs them because Ukraine can stop the Russian Shahids, which are Iranian-made drones. They can stop the drone swarms from Russia, but they can stop the ballistic missiles unless they have Patriot interceptors. The Trump regime says they've run out. It's also, I think, a maliciousness of withholding the interceptors. But I do think that we've depleted our munitions for Patriot interceptors that were given to NetYahu and that were given to Middle East countries and moved all over the place, and that we've used in the region as well, in the Middle East with the catastrophic war.

1:06:28But so like Zelensky is like, all right, just get through this, get through this,

1:06:33Ben Meiselas:get the license. You need the license. You need the license. Just say license. I'm doing this for my, you know, and, and, and it's, it's that, you know, it's that, you know, I despise, I despise, I mean, I despise, maybe it's a strong word. The, the, the behavior of Mark Rute, the Secretary General of NATO and how he treats Trump. And it's, yes, sir. Oh, you are very good. You're a very strong man. Yes, you are, Donald. Yes. Oh, everybody loves you. Yes, yes, yes. Oh, do you want, we call it the Trump trillions. Yes, Donald. Yes. It truly makes me want to puke to watch that behavior. But I bet you, I bet you if you were to, and I'm not trying to be a Mark route apologist.

1:07:18Ben Meiselas:But I bet you, if you were to ask him behind the scenes, he would say, yeah, I know what I'm doing. I'm, I am going so he's doing it so over the top also that it almost feels like a parody when you watch it. Cause it's so embarrassing. Oh yes, Donald. And I'll be like, oh, like I'll say it in front of like, while Trump's there, like, well, what do you make of him? You know, saying this, that, and the other methods could, oh, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Look, the level of strength of this man. Have you seen how strong he, this is a specimen to behold. And we've never had someone. And you watch it and you're like, oh my God, this Rute guy's like Durain.

1:07:59Ben Meiselas:I bet you if you speak to him very, very privately, he goes, look, Zelensky is getting the license. Ukraine hasn't fallen yet. And everybody was expecting that it would. We've got to drag this on two more years. I literally treat the guy like a toddler. Is it obvious how I treat the guy with the charts and this and that? And again, I do not want to apologize for it. Because when I want, I actually think if you stood up to Trump with strength, you'd get a better outcome and you would be, you know, and you would stand on business. And frankly, I think it's, but I bet you that that's, but so you watch that and then Trump's like, I like you, Mark, but I don't like Spain.

1:08:45Ben Meiselas:They're mean to me. They're mean to me. And then you have Prime Minister of Denmark, Mehta Fredriksen. Here's what she says when she was asked. Kind of a tough question, but Trump's threatening to invade one of the territories that are part of the kingdom. Are you ready to go to war? What's going on there? That's happening at NATO. Here play this clip.

1:09:11Jordy Meiselas:Is Denmark ready to militarily defend Greenland? An extraordinary premise, but is it ready to military defend Greenland if there is an attack from any party? We are ready to defend every inch of NATO, including our own territory. But one of the reasons why we have built NATO many, many years ago is if anything happens to one of us, then everybody should stand up for each other. I mean, Article 5 is our insurance. It goes for the eastern flank right now with the hybrid war coming in from Russia. It goes for U.S. when they were attacked 9-11. And the same goes for Greenland if anything happens in our direction.

1:09:56Ben Meiselas:Now, I'll just say this and I'll toss it to you, Brett and Jordi. Like when I see her speak, when I see Prime Minister Carney speak, when I see Friedrich Merz speak, when I see Starmer speak, when I see Macron speak, when I see the Australian Prime Minister speak, when I see a lot of these world leaders speak. Even when I see Georgia Maloney speak, who's a far right, who's a far right politician, whether it's, you know, Albanese, you know, in Australia, left wing, left center, or whether it's Georgia Maloney, who I probably disagree with a lot of our views, you know, or whether it's Meta Fredriksen, or whether it is Ulf Christophson, or whether it, you know, I at least see, you know, I at least see adults, grownups, dignified Spanish prime minister speaking.

1:11:06Ben Meiselas:And then I see, you know, then I see the United States. I don't like him, Mark Roth. I don't like him. I don't like him. I don't like you. Affordability. That's a hoax. It's a hoax. It's a hoax. Lenin, Lenin, Lenin. And I'm just like, gross, just gross. Right.

1:11:27Jordy Meiselas:They're so confident in their stupidity as well, which I think is like the over-overriding trait. They go around not only just in the United States, but around the world making utter buffoons of themselves, even when they are just objectively wrong, which is most of the time. And they've trained the kind of MAGA people also to just be so confidently wrong. and then they like spike the football when they like they don't understand anything about American history, simple facts, anything. This is the Dunning-Kruger effect, as they call it, on steroids. And this made its way to Midas Touch, actually, when the White House yesterday tried to attack Midas Touch, the ultimate display of the Dunning-Kruger effect, which like, you know, it was just genuinely like very funny to our entire like Midas Touch team because we're like, what are they even talking about?

1:12:18Jordy Meiselas:What are these people doing? Like they didn't make any sense. It backfired so badly at them. They made such utter fools of themselves. And now there are articles clowning the White House for trying to come at Midas Touch. And all the comments in their comment section now are all people basically making fun of them. And I'll just guide you through this quickly because I found it, you know, entertaining. And I want to show you some of the attention, you know, that we're getting from this regime. And so what happened was our editor, Asin, who many of you know probably from posting clips on various social media platforms.

1:12:49Jordy Meiselas:Asin does a great job. And he does things like, you know, Asin will just post things like, not inflammatory, not putting his own spin on it. He just posts what happens or what people say. Okay. And so he posted this video of JD Vance. He was somehow unironically holding an event on fraud, getting the fraudsters, even though all the fraudsters are in the White House and are people pardoned by Trump? And Asin wrote, Vance pointing to a picture obscured by light, and Vance says, look at this woman. And so what Vance was doing is he was trying to show one of the fraudsters the Trump regime got, and he was pointing to a sign that was just totally, there was a glare on the sign from the light.

1:13:35Jordy Meiselas:There was a reflection, a glare on the sign. And so people watching it on the stream were unable to see what Vance was showing. Now, instead of being normal human beings and, I don't know, not commenting at all or understanding how glare works and how light works, the White House decided to attack Aeson for this post. This is how big of snowflakes this White House is. And so the White House writes the following. And just think about how deranged this is. If I wrote this, I'd be like, check me into a mental institution because this is a weird thing to say. The White House responds to Aeson's very innocuous post just explaining what's going on.

1:14:12Jordy Meiselas:from the Rapid Response account, official taxpayer funded account. And they say, your dumb ass is shielding a criminal who stole$2.4 million in taxpayer funded benefits meant to help at risk pregnant women and women with young kids. She's spending the next decade in federal prison thanks to this administration's relentless work to end the fraud. You dumb ass, you dumb ass. They say to ASIN, of all people, it's like the nicest guy ever too. They say to Asin, who simply posted a video of what J.D. Vance was doing. So in effect, they thought that Asin, I guess, blurred the photo. Not that J.D. Vance put the photo down, put the poster board down with a light glare.

1:14:54Jordy Meiselas:And I'll show you this clip right now. I got B-roll of it over here of J.D. Vance putting it so we could debunk the White House together in real time. He puts the photo down and it's in the light. Glare, unable to see it. J.D. Vance points to it. the White House decides to call Midas, Touch, and Asin dumbasses and not the guy who did it himself. So in effect, the White House called themselves and they called JD Vance dumbasses. Well played, White House. Well played. Another genius, genius work by the White House comms department.

1:15:27Ben Meiselas:Brett, did you ever, I'll ask this to Jordy and I'll toss it. Jordy, did you ever think that the White House, I remember my trip to the White House when I went with dad when I was five or six years old to my first trip to washington dc i still remember it it was right around the time i may have been a little it was right around the bill clinton's inauguration in 1992 so i would have been seven years old actually and i remember jordy visit wow i remember i remember the awe of seeing the white house and they were getting ready for the inauguration and i remember we bought a white house salt shaker that i always had in my room it was a little white house salt shaker and dad got it for me at like the, one of those stores right there.

1:16:09Ben Meiselas:And I don't know if that's what led me to end up going to Georgetown or have this, you know, always have this soft spot for DC, but the white house, you know, um, the show, the West wing, you know, all of, and now the white house in is saying you dumb ass Midas. You dumb ass. that that's like how how how how is that where we are used to uh used to binge the west wing

1:16:41Brett Meiselas:ben before binging tv shows was like common i remember the the cassette was no not because

1:16:45Ben Meiselas:the vhs's in your uh in your just before jordy's time the vhs may have been dvds it may have been

1:16:50Brett Meiselas:they were dvds they were d i was trying to age you up a little bit uh that's my biggest fear too um for the future generations like we all have kids as the brothers we all have kids i have another child on the way super excited about that spoiler alert our standing as a country it used to mean something at least it used to feel like it meant something it used to feel like we had respectable leaders that wouldn't make fools of us on a world global stage honestly it it did you know say what you want about any single president that has led up to this moment everyone has had their fair share of gaffes and things like that but at the end of the day what really it felt like was for the most part, the presidents that we've had in this country tried to put the people first, or at least try to better the standing of the United States in a worldview.

1:17:40Brett Meiselas:Donald Trump and the Trump regime, they don't care less. They do not care about this country. In my opinion, they hate this country. Actually, they are the most anti-American administration that we've quite frankly ever had. And now we're in this sort of like bizarro world where we're going to have future generations grow up into that are going to have a White House responding to them as you dumb asses, you dumb asses like the White House and their branches and their offices. It used to mean something like it just used to be dignified. At least they tried to pretend it was dignified. And now what we see here is just an utter embarrassment day in and day out.

1:18:21Brett Meiselas:The United States is in embarrassment right now under the Trump regime because they act like children. I'll say this, though.

1:18:29Jordy Meiselas:I believe in people and not leaders. And I think that countries are the sum of their people and not the leadership of those countries. And I think that could apply to countries who are our adversaries. I think that applies to the United States. I think we have listeners right now that are in all over the world. We have listeners, right, in the UK and Australia and Ireland, Canada, all I can keep going through countries all over the place. Right. And I think they understand that there is a lot of good in this country. And I think even as I was saying in the last episode, seeing folks come here for the World Cup as horribly as a lot of people were treated by the Trump regime, them getting to see the people in this country and them getting to see quirky, funny things about the United States of America.

1:19:16Jordy Meiselas:You know, I think that's what what really makes America special. But here's the thing too. That's what makes the country special. Let me finish. I think that's what makes the country special. And that's what I think people would take away from, right? And as we go through this world and work towards a kind of world without this virulent Trump strain, which will, I think, always exist in some form, you know, I think that people will see that and that the good of this country will show just like, you know, we see the good in so many countries. around the world and that we'll be able to, you know, maybe not get back to the stature that America maybe once was viewed at.

1:19:56Jordy Meiselas:But I think that, you know, I think that people understand that we're not our leaders the same way we understand that they are not their leaders.

1:20:03Brett Meiselas:Absolutely. But but and we can't get complacent, right? We can't just expect that our world standing is going to just be fixed once Trump is out of office, once there's a new administration that takes over. Like there's a lot of legwork that's going to have to be done in order to rebuild our standing in the world and really, you know, try and just get this stank that is MAGA off of this country once and for all. Benji.

1:20:25Ben Meiselas:I want to thank everybody for watching this episode. We covered a lot of ground. We'll continue our breaking news coverage throughout the day. So make sure you keep on checking back on our YouTube channel. Also, we post those breaking news on our podcast feed as well, our audio feed. So make sure you subscribe to the Midas Touch audio feed it really helps the growth of this network. And I often get asked, what can we do to help the Midas Touch Network? Well, it's free to subscribe to the Midas Touch Audio podcast. Even if you don't think you're going to listen on audio, you never know. And I think you will like the audio experience also.

1:21:04Ben Meiselas:So please subscribe there, leave a five-star review on the audio. That helps the network grow a lot and it's free to do it. Thank you everybody for watching. Of course, I'll be with you throughout the next days and weekend. But on behalf of the Midas Touch podcast, we want to wish you all a great weekend. We're going to keep on fighting for you every step of the way. We appreciate you and we'll see you next time. Jordy, take it away.

1:21:29Brett Meiselas:Shout out to the Midas Mighty.

1:21:45We will get it right whenever we're in.

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